/vr/ - Retro Games

no.
but I hold a grudge against people calling beat'em up's belt scrollers.

>Do people that like A hold a grudge against people that like B for killing their genre off?
yeah totally bro.. can tell you were definitely captain of the debate team.

1. No because most play fighting games as well
2. Fighting games didn't "kill" belt scrollers, 3D did forcing them to adapt and turn into modern day 3D beat 'em ups which are still popular
3. It's not that dead, Fight N Rage is excellent and got fairly popular, and Streets of Rage 4 is coming out with production values and marketing most arcade genres could only dream of.

Genre wars didn't exist back then.

>>6213471
Stop living in the past.

>>6213429
No because I don't believe they killed the genre off.

>>6213429
Not really. Beat em ups died because most developers actually sucked at making them, and a strong fighting system ended up being a quality of the general adventure/sandbox genre.

It only seems that fighters killed them because the idiots cashing in on the beat em up craze hopped on to the fighting game craze where it is immediately more obvious your design philosophy sucked donkey balls.

>>6215885
Did you forget about the '90s fighting game boom where arcades stopped caring about anything but fighting game machines because that's where the money was at?

Yes.

>>6213429
Jarpigs killed the Arcade, so in the end it didn't even matter.

>>6214538
What is this board for then?

When Street Fighter II replaced Final Fight at my local arcade i was happy about it. I loved Final Fight. But SFII was better in every way.

>>6213429
Why would Tank Simulator fand and Unrealistic Martial Arts fans even be in the same room?

>>6217445
>tank simulator
That's not what belt scroller means, baka.

Are shmups belt scrollers?

>>6217419
>When [multiplayer game] replaced [singleplayer game] at my local arcade i was happy about it. I loved [singleplayer game]. But [multiplayer game] was better in every way.

>>6218091
Final Fight-likes.

>>6218091
Double Dragon clones.

Fighting games are a shitty genre.

>>6213429
No, there was just nowhere for corridor cobblers to go.

>>6213429
We literally get new beat 'em ups like every month.

>>6218946
Low-budget, low-quality, unoriginal indieshit doesn't count though.

>tfw the last good jab 'n jog was god hand
what went so wrong with the game industry

>>6218945
Nah, they just turned into character-action games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden Black instead.

fuck contemplative kong threads

Is Nights into Dreams a belt scroller?

>>6213429
Ahhh, I love belt-scrollers... But what's a fighting ?

You mean a Put-Up-Yer-Dukes?

>>6219630
Just because those aren't old enough to be considered such, doesn't make them different from most "classics" of the genre. The real pearls are always few and inbetween.

>>6221279
You mean Hero Brawlers?

>>6216216
>jrpgs killed arcades
wut

They are still a community of OpenBOR games.

>>6221380
It's a hard stretch if you argue that good Jrpgs sold consoles, I guess? I'd like to hear the anon's reasoning behind it too.

>>6213429
One of the coolest stuff about Tekken 3 was the unlockable beat-'em up mode. Maybe a happy medium would be every game of each genre have the other mode available.

>>6221482
That mode was total shit though, let fighters focus on what they do well. Namco did later make Urban Reign though, which was good and unique

>>6213429
Not really, genre was good while it lasted and while I'm don't have much interest in playing fighting games I still have respect for them.

>>6221542
>>6221542

Like how Naruto game series slowly evolved from 2d fighter to 3d beat 'em up?

And do the Dynasty Warriors count as a fighter game with beat'em up mechanics?

>>6221542
I thought it was cool enough. 2D beat-'em ups were basically dead already, so it was a treat for me.

Sort of liked the story modes for the PS2 Mortal Kombat games too, but I'd probably prefer 2D.

>>6221374
I bet you thought River Shitty Girls was a good game, lmao

>>6221730
>River Shitty Girls
Dunno, I have wide enough tastes in genres, to mostly play on backlog of what is generally considered "good" by the time I get to it.
From what I've seen of it, It looks like the art could use some dynamic outlining, at least I'd like it. Also some healthbars or other damage indicators would be nice, if they're going to give attacks damage dealt numbers, otherwise it's just clutter.

>>6221758
I meant the sprites art.

3D is what killed scrollers. The market was flooded with so much of it, lots of kids that would've played them if they were born 5 years earlier never did. They never really recovered from that shift.

>>6221785
Die Hard Arcade proves beat 'em ups can work in 3D, though.

>>6219630
The quality of indie games now is higher than the quality of a lot of 2D games from the 80's/90's because of how much more advanced our technology is.

Calling things "indieshit" doesn't actually make them bad. And hundreds of games from the 80's and 90's were also developed on shoe-string budgets. Including producers, 9 people developed the original Super Mario Bros., and its cost has been estimated to be somewhere around 20,000 USD modern day.

>>6221848
Newer technology doesn't automatically make games better either, /v/-kun.

>>6221848
The problem is talentless hacks can just put out whatever garbage these days without any quality control or standards and retards like you will gobble their shit up regardless.

>>6215897
>Not really. Beat em ups died because most developers actually sucked at making them
This, Konami in general made a lot of really bad ones that flooded arcades.

>>6221875
I said higher quality, I didn't say better. Learn to read.

>>6221894
There were plenty of garbage games that released in previous decades too, but retards like you gobble them up and praise them as high art. Literally no different.

>>6221931
Wtf is the difference, a game being higher quality typically means it's better unless you are talking strictly about surface elements. And you'd be wrong there, modern beat em ups do not look even half as good as the arcade classics.

>>6221848
Difference is that in the 90's there were a lot of excellent beat em ups around to offset the shitty ones. These days we get maybe 1-2 good ones a decade. Indie developers saw that most people just button mash and credit feed, and took that as an excuse to not try with their game design. The games can have nice visuals and music, even game feel, but very few developers understand why the genre is fun from a mechanics perspective. At least modern "character action" 3D beat em ups keep the spirit alive somewhat, and are made by people who understand the genre.

>>6213429
>belt-scroller

>>6221932
>There were plenty of garbage games that released in previous decades too
Not as much as indieshit, at least. There are also no great indieshit titles like the great games that were made in the golden years.

>>6221964
pure nostalgia, my dude.

>>6221963
'tis what Japan, the inventor of the genre, calls them. So...

>>6213439
fpbp

>>6221380
One of the main developers of the 90s Street Fighter games blames Final Fantasy 7 for killing arcades.

>>6222890
citation needed

>>6222890
big if true.

>>6221901
Hey now, theirs weren't ALL bad