/vr/ - Retro Games

My voodoo 3 never had trouble with anything and with a pentium 3 600 mhz should be all you need

>>5959660
For the best performance, don't bother with period correct parts. Windows 98 games are supposed to be programmed to be CPU agnostic, so go bigger. Get something more recent in a refurbished machine. A nice budget fanless video card from today will still whip anything from 20 years ago. You just have to check that you can find the drivers. Not totally sure, but I think Nvidia may still be supporting Windows 98 with drivers, that's an option.

why would you get a piece of shit old PC when you can emulate it with a newer PC

>>5959660
if you go with XP, you could benefit from multiple cores. XP should run most 98 games, with less of the hardware limitations.

>>5959660
The GeForce FX series is the last and fastest Nvidia card with good compatibility and Windows 98 support. They're also easy to find in working condition. Unlike ati cards of that era.

I would love to build a retro PC (and even have a few laying around that I could mess around with), I just don't see the point. Most games have fan patches that will make it run on modern systems in HD, ,or like it came out of the box.

>>5959689
Emulation is boring.

Cheap early P4 would give you SSE2 support, which is as high as some Win98 programs required. Cheap GeForce 3 Ti would let you run just about anything Win98 supported.

Don't settle for AGP. Do the work required to find a PCIE card with Win98 drivers.

>>5959752
what's wrong with AGP?

>>5959705
Part of the fun of a retro machine is building it, especially from salvaged parts that were destined for the landfill. From a practical perspective, there's many games (after all, PC has a shit load of obscure/forgotten games) that don't have fan patches and the like. And they just work out of the box, rather than having to search for fixes, dick around with VMs, DOSBox, wrappers, etc, etc. It's also cheaper. You can either pirate the images from abandonware sites, which again, are easier to setup on a period correct machine. Or if you want physical copies, many of the era's games are a couple of bucks outside of their big box packaging vs. 5.99-9.99 on GoG/Steam.

>>5959705
Yeah building a modern PC but using an old case seems like a much better idea. Could even go with something real low powered, fanless/completely noiseless, and fairly cheap.

>>5959760
It's just not as fast as PCIE.

What game, OP?

>>5959768
Unless you're trying to play shit like Far Cry on your win98 pc there's no point

>>5959786
High speed parts were prohibitively expensive at the time, but can be acquired for pocket change today. Anyone that could have afforded the best at the time, would have gone for it.

Should I go with a Pent4 or a Core 2 Quad/Duo?

>>5959772
I dunno. I had it in one of my folders. I think its just an HL mod.

>>5959814
Windows 98 can only see one CPU core. You will need at least 2k if you want multiple cores.

>>5959703
Why the fuck are they so expensive? I have a 9800 mint with box. I installed it back in 2013 and that system just sat there. It is still currently sitting there not being used.

>>5959819
Maybe people were using them for bitcoin mining. They kinda screwed everyone over by jacking the prices of video cards up.

>>5959817
>You will need at least 2k if you want multiple cores

addendum to this: win2k is fine with multiple cores, but it doesn't understand hyperthreading. You need XP for that. Put 2k on a 3ghz P4HT, it'll incorrectly see it as a pair of 1.5ghz cpus (or possibly just one, depending on chipset / BIOS weirdness).

>>5959703
Beware: the Geforce FX series is boobytrapped with 64-bit memory bus versions of the same card that suck and aren't labelled as such. the 128-bit versions are of acceptable quality. look the card up on techpowerup before you buy if you're not certain which one you're looking at.

>>5959814
I mean, how many retro games are optimized for multi-core cpus? If you want the computer to also be able to handle general farting-around-on-the-internet duties, though, then yeah core2 is great. Otherwise, P4s are dirt cheap and more than adequate for old games. Just, make sure the CPU is a Northwood. not Willamette or Prescott.

>>5959660
What game?

>>5959793
People weren't using PCIE GPUs on win98 not because it was expensive but because the first PCIE cards didn't come out until 2004 lol

>>5959819
You can get an FX5200 for like 20 bucks. It was a garbage card for the year it came out but will crush anything from the windows 98 era.

>>5959872
why Northwood? What's so special about it?

>>5959660

>>5959902
That doesn't matter at all.

>>5959660
what game is that dear anon?

>>5959965
It absolutely matters you buffoon. Have fun running into mountains of compatibility issues because you decided to put 2004 tech into a windows 98 machine.

>>5959965
You implied that that people weren't using PCIE because it was "prohibitively expensive" when that was never the case because PCIE did not exist yet.
Have fun chasing down obscure legacy drivers and running into mountains of compatibility issues because you thought it would be smart to run PCIE on windows 98.

>>5959660
I am trying to build one too. I missed out on so much when I skipped from DOS to Win2k.

Being short on money, back then AMD was my only choice for processors, but I am fond of the brand despite being always an inferior choice to their competitors. I believe the parts I had were an Athlon XP which worked in 2k but I remembered they always had drivers for 98 too.

For a video card, I am not sure what would work best. I was going to try period correctness, but it wouldn't be able to handle some of my favorites like Q3 or UT. Then I thought use my old 6800 for its 98 drivers, but I heard the fx line of cards are better with support for nGlide palettetized textures and fog tables. Unfortunately the only fx card I have in storage is a generic low-budget AGP one, but I think I saw a video stating there are Chinese PCI fx 5500s available on the cheap which may be the best option.

>>5960058
I stated flatly PCIE is just a more modern faster part. You inferred what you wanted to infer to justify intentional mediocrity.

>>5959660
Why does this look so much better than modern games? The colors are spot on

>>5960275
what's that motherboard?

>>5960290
according to Phil, AGP tends to be faster. Maybe PCI just wasn't up to snuff then.

https://youtu.be/Ia1zNRZE8Mg

>>5960312
ASUS
>>5960297
A lot of modern games have a CG look to them. This screenshot has some of the grittiness of reality.

>>5960319
PCI is not PCIE

Pentium 4 since you can get them cheap and pentium 3 limits some games.
Geforce mx400 is what I used to have and it ran good.
You can run dos games like quake in 1024x768 at 60 fps while on a p3 it would be a fair bit slower. On my pc retro I did multiboot with win xp and 98, the ultimate combo. Pentium 3 could have more compatibility with 98 because of drivers but on my P4 I can boot from usb.

>>5960297
Looks like it might be a virtual recreation of a Dutch village, feels nostalgic for me

As long as you have drivers for video and sound, you could use anything. You could find a single-core i3 and live high on the hog. You could put it in a motherboard that had a legacy PCI slot, and install a Soundblaster card. You could install 98 on a SATA SSD for fast load times. Just don't overdo the RAM size or some Windows 98 software will freak.

>>5959660
What game is that?

>>5959968
-> >>5959951

>>5959948
It's not weaker than a P3 like willamette and it won't burn your fucking house down like prescott. try to make sure your chipset is an intel 865PE or G or 875P. VIA PT880 is good too if you don't feel like you need gigabit ethernet on your retro gaming machine (you don't)

Potentially useful:
https://bearwindows.zcm.com.au/vbe9x.htm

>>5960297
The colours are spot-on because all the textures are pretty clearly photos, or at least using photos as a base. It's a combination of having enough 'real' texture to it in order to convey the mood and location, while still being low detail enough to let your brain fill in the gaps.

>>5960290
No you fucking didn't lmao >>5959793

>>5959660
Get a "current" pc with 98 supported parts.
Done.

>>5961082
Thanks for input genius

>>5959762
lol. Your whole point is "it just works" yet gaming from that era was never that way. Pricing comparison is laughable. Considering a $60 x5 can run everything from w98 and you can get games for lower prices digitally that some ebay sperg would ever sell them for.

Ooops missing Shader Model support, no gaming for me!

Ooops missing hardware transform, no gaming for me!

>>5961089
>It just works
Better yet look at this thread full of people showing how it doesn't "just work" like even fucking dosbox or native w10.

don't use p4 era hardware because they used shit caps

Where's that screenshot from?

>>5961089
Yes, it just works.

>Well, see, you didn't download the patch. You need to set up a VM. You need to do this and that to get that game to run on modern machine.

Not the point. I can install this game on an older Win98 or XP machine and not have to deal with that bullshit. It will "just work."

>60.00.

If being a cheap bastard is your thing, you can get one of those Dell/HP 00s XP prebuilts at a thriftstore for under 20.00. Or better yet, just ask a friend or family member if they have any old PCs. You can even get a prebuilt cheaper than that on eBay.

>ebay spergs, resellers

There's no market for PC games outside of their big boxes. You can buy the games individually for less than you can find them on Steam/GoG or you can buy a fuckhuge lot of them and get them for a 1.00-2.00 a piece.

>>5959660
pent 4 and gtx 7800

>>5960417
I was going to make a P4 spaceheater joke but I see you're actually addressing the shitty ones

>>5961391
I’d like to know too. Looks comfy

If you want the most authentic experience, you will have to have a 486 CPU with a PCI video card and the bare minimum amount of RAM that Windows 98 will run on. That was how most people experienced it at the time.

>>5961395
Jesus, you are wrong and not worth the time to correct. Someone else fix this idiot.

>>5961395
>Ignoring the main points
>Posting in retard format
>Making shit up
heh.

>>5961656
Or you spent $3000 on a cutting edge machine
only to have CPU speeds double every year and you can't even get 10 fps in GTA 3 a couple years later. I don't really miss it desu

>>5961690
This is why the Voodoo cards melted everyone's minds. it picked up a lot of the slack.

>>5961668
Of course I'm not worth the time to "correct," because I am correct. Many games of that era don't "just work" out of the box on a modern machine without patches, fixes, API wrappers, VMs, or emulators. Your retarded point seemed to be centered on it's not worth getting an older machine because modern hardware "just works" better straight away. That's the idiocy that needs fixing.

I'm also correct about old hardware being cheaper than some Atom Mini PC (is that what you were referring to with 60.00 X5?). You can get this shit for free in many cases. Granted, older free/salvaged hardware might be more inconvenient because you'll often need to clean it up and source a part or two and reinstall everything, but it's still cheaper.

I'm not gonna say my experience is also your experience, since any hardware can be quirky, modern or older, but I can't remember the last time I got a shader model not supported error (due to all the most current drivers that were ever released for the hardware in question being easily available) and I never got a missing hardware transform error.

And here's a question. Why not use old hardware? Why just discard to the landfill something that is perfectly capable of the use you're intending it for? It makes no sense to me to throw away working equipment just to appeal to some minimalism meme.

>>5961690
It can still serve as a porn watching device.

>>5961710
>It makes no sense to me to throw away working equipment just to appeal to some minimalism meme.
Zoomers are used to a "planned obsolescence" consumer economy based around their smartphones where the 6month old thing needs to be thrown out to get the newest thing because it has 3 cameras. Zoomers have no concept of periodic hardware maintenance and repair, since it's more convenient and easier to just throw away the old thing to buy the new thing. They like small form factors and one-in-all boxes because obviously most of them still live in their shoebox rooms at their parents house.

>>5961724
Holy fuck you are delusional. So deep in your own idea of wrong you can't see we are laughing at you. Keep pretending the kids are the problem. As you post on your first ever pc from 20 years ago, right?

>>5961720
With all the raw power of a 28.8kb modem.

>>5961734
>As you post on your first ever pc from 20 years ago, right?
we're not talking about using the internet on old pcs, retard. we're talking about playing /vr/ era games on them, and for that, there's nothing wrong with them. there's actually no point in buying some 100.00 thin client when you can just find an early 00s P4 for nothing.

>>5961734
>So deep in your own idea of wrong you can't see we are laughing at you.

So you still don't have a counterargument? You're the one up your ass in wrong you can't admit that modern machines can't play Win98 era games out of the box. You either need to buy a fixed version from Steam/GoG or patch it.

"Just works, bro! Don't game on older machines! Think of all those missing shader model errors! Head over to Aliexpress and buy a Beelink! The minimalism!"

>>5961653
El nombre es half life role play (HL:RP)

hay so how do i tell how much an AGP 8X card is being bottlenecked by sticking it in a AGP 4X motherboard? Like for example i imagine a cheapo FX5200, while teeeeechnically 8X, is not getting nearly as much of its power wasted by that 4X bus as a X1950XT would. Is there a utility or website or something for figuring out how much bandwidth a given card ACTUALLY wants?

>>5961879
You won't notice a difference. Putting textures into the card's ram will still happen very fast, and once in ram the X won't matter.

>>5961741
>With all the raw power of a 28.8kb modem.

That's how I had to chew through Bondage Fairies, back in the dark times. On a website that would IP ban you if it thought you were even TRYING to download more than one page at a time. anime.plan9.de, anybody else remember them? Man the shit we internet people have to be nostalgic over.

>>5961901
>anime.plan9.de
Ho boy, I 'member.

>>5959660
Email me or send me a pm i can sell you a pic geforce 4 mx440 or something like that. Also have a diamond monster 3d / stealth

>>5959660
What are you trying to play? I havw pentium 2 3 and 4 rigs for sale. But you should probably just dowbload DgVooDoo

What's up with the P4 using both Socket 478 and LGA 775? Can someone explain this to me?

>>5963638
>Email me or send me a pm
bro, do you know where we are?

>>5963727
They had to get rid off the PGA design in order to reach higher frequencies. The pins caused electromagnetic interference and therefore became a limiting factor.

>>5959689
Emulation sucks ass.
VMWare doesn't emulate hardware very well, so if you need to run very low level programs you're more then likely going to be SOL.
VirtualBox sucks ass at emulating games; I can only get OpenGL working (barely...sort of), DirectX is completely out of the question.
Every other PC emulator out in the market is more for OS dev enthusiasts, performance isn't a top priority for them.
If you want to be able to run old games today, you're only actually decent options is to either find old computer parts or try and see if you can't dual boot DOS/Win95 or 98 on a modern rig.

>>5963776
OP here, I just want to see Win98 again through a CRT monitor next to a beige box.

>>5963829
Scour the classifieds and you'll run into one eventually. Despite the popularity of LGR and the like, this stuff really isn't in demand like retro console stuff. eBay sellers still over price, however.

>>5959660
What the fuck game is that?

>>5963979
de_downtown

Can I play online on my Win98 machine?

Is anybody playing on these old games?

>>5964007
I'm sure it varies from game to game.

>>5963776
Have you tried PCem?

>>5963979
There's a very good chance it is Goldsrc by just looking at it

What's the latest GPU that still supported 3Dfx Glide natively? Tried googling it and all I got are glide wrappers and unrelated shit.


Also, how good will HP Compac nc6120 will be for games? One guy in a neighborhood is selling one for 25$. The battery is almost dead but it runs from the socket just fine.
It has WinXP , Pentium M 1730MHZ with Intel 915GM integrated GPU and 1GB RAM.
On old ass forums I found that it should run any DX8 and old OpenGL games fine. What about DOS games and Glide?

>>5964531
Voodoo 5. Later voodoos have problems with earliest glide dos games so you might want a voodoo 2.

https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=35721&start=180

>>5964545
I could have sworn I heard something about a difference between the way Voodoo and Voodoo 2 cards do stuff to the point the early glide games only look correct with a voodoo 1.

>>5964950
With patches most of the games are compatible with voodoo 2.

https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=35721

Can you surf 4chan on Win98?

>>5965089
Kinda. You'll have to get special builds of web browsers.

>>5959660
The Thinkpad T42 has native Windows 98 drivers, very good hardware for Windows 98, and plenty of other desirable features like USB, s-video out, dvd/cd-rw drive, etc.

>>5959660
>not willing to drop 200$ for voodoo5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_256

Or if you are a truly refined 2D gentleman

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/vga-wonder.c3163

this made me cum in my pants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=qM2TV7RrwHY

>>5965089
screenshot using win98 with default browser ie5 (used pcem emulator)
I had to type in the thread address because it wouldn't show catalog properly
someday I'll try another browser

>>5961395
Games back in the day often didn't "just work" out of the box. Part of that was probably user error due to being younger and less experienced with computers but there were definitely a lot of times when the games just weren't working together with you. Especially the titles that came out in that w95-w98 transitional period.

I can understand the appeal of building a retro PC. I'd definitely find that fun but I think it might not be as good of a retro gaming machine as you think it will be. I'd expect there to be a bunch of problems you wouldn't even think about just because its been years since you've used such old systems.

Meanwhile most old games can be made run on w7 or w10. 2d games usually run with near zero effort and 3d games have stuff like dgVoodoo to help run old and obsolete graphics APIs. Sure, I had to go through about 20 versions of dgVoodoo before I found one that ran interstate'76 on my machine but a lot of that is down to how retarded the game was coded.

>>5959904
Except that it will only run DirectX and OpenGL games. Those games will 99% of the time run on modern systems without a problem. The problem are the 3d games using obsolete graphics APIs like glide. You'll have to jump through the same hoops on a w98 machine to make them work. But the software will be easier to find for modern machines.

>>5965337
Pretty sure you can get Netscape and even early Operas to work there.
None of them will ever support HTML5 though so your browsing will be limited.

>>5965395
Opera 10 is actually the most recent browser release to still support Win98SE, but you can force newer with KernelEx.

>>5965337
kewl

>>5965372
Glide wrappers are free and effective. You drop the dll into the game folder, or into system32, and you're good to go.

>>5964531
So... Anyone tried to play old games on an XP notebook?

>>5965725
Guess you just have to try it. The nc6120 uses a GMA900 GPU. http://www.zeckensack.de/glide/readme.htm
and forget about native DOS there's no compatible sound chip integrated on that notebook.

>>5966148
I've seen AC'97 drivers for DOS before. Been a while.

Having said that, I would be curious if the retro OS idea might not be best on a machine that could handle running a headless hyperviser. Any device that wasn't convenient to pass-through, could be replaced by something emulated.

bros, I'm torn between a Socket 478 and a LGA 775 motherboard.

One is more vintage and likely more compatible with Win98 and the other is arguably more flexible. I could also make it a proper WinXP machine too.

There's so many choices when you aren't concerned with performance-per-dollar.

>>5966436
The board won't matter for Windows 98. The video card and sound will matter.

Why in fuck's name do you want to build old PCs with outdated OSes that get 500 viruses from the second you do anything with them?

>>5966441
so it has to be agp or pci, no pcie?

>>5966450
You can get Windows 98 drivers for some pcie cards. Look into stuff like Radeon.

>>5966450
If you really really want to use an agp card, and you have a pcie motherboard, you can use an adapter.

>>5966447
Zoom zoom. My Dos and Windows 98 machines run much faster than my modern machines with all its useless software bloat.

>>5966450
For win 98 on 775 you should go with an PCI GeForce FX 5000, anything newer will give you compatibility issues. PCIE versions of the FX are too hard to find. Or you can try to get one of those asrock 775i65g boards (AGP + up to Core2 support).

>>5965346
Yeah, most problems back then were user error and trying to run the latest games on underpowered pre-builts. And obviously, drivers weren't as easy to just grab off the net. But now since that era has matured and all the most updated drivers have been released and are easily available, I haven't had any problems running games from that era. When I do encounter a problem, it's usually due to a hardware failure of some kind since I do try to salvage most hardware from the <2000 era I come across. And as you can imagine, that hardware hasn't been taken care of. Part of the fun, though. Getting an old, discarded, dust and rust covered machine up and running again. My feeling will always be why throw away something that is capable?

>>5965346
I have built a Win98 pc just to play a single shareware game I remembered playing aeons ago and it was pile of shit.

For most of the time older games will still work on Windows 7 and even 10. If the game doesn't work then it's programmed poorly therefore not worth it.

Make sure you get an Nvidia NV1 so you can play Sega Saturn games.

>>5959814
Try getting a duo2cuo

>>5966713
Windows 98 can only see one core.

>>5966723
And yet a P4 is more power demanding and not even cheaper to get.

I just discovered winevdm the other day, and it's glorious.

>>5967505
P4 has its flaws.
You could go down to a Tualatin, which would probably be fine for Windows 98 and be an era that was easy to get drivers for.
You could go up to something modern, which if done pragmatically should mean planning to run inside a hypervisor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YnfioK2xZ4

>>5963829
respectable

https://www.newegg.com/p/2MG-0001-00055?Description=cm_re=AM2_motherboard_with_AGP-_-9SIAGSCA997318-_-Product

>>5967572
>$200

yeah, no

>>5959660
>video card
any 16meg 3d gfx card
>sound card
soundblaster 16, 32 if you want to be fancy
>CPU
Pentium III 500mhz

>>5967505
pentium 4 are housefire incarnate

What's a good price for a Voodoo 3?

>>5963829
*blasts vaporwave*

>>5969239
$30-40 but they usually go for like $60+.

the only Voodoo card you actually need is the first one
Change my mind

What is the last version of MAME32 that works on Windows 98?

>>5969786
since glide wrappers exist you actually don't need any voodoo cards.

>>5969846
https://retroarch.com/?page=platforms

>>5969928
If you have a CPU with balls enough.

>try vmplayer
>it sucks
>try virtualbox
>runs a lot better, but no 3d acceleration for win9x
>try pcem
>it doesn't very well
>try 86box
>it's even worse then vmware
>try the "optimized" version of 86box
>only slightly better
>tried qemu
>absolutely no svga support
>bochs is unbearably slow, probably the slowest of them all
Why the fuck is it so hard to emulate a freaking 200mh pentium processors with svga and 3d support in fucking 2019, at near native speeds? Literally the only way to play win9x games that require that processor is on a physical machine. This is such fucking bullshit.

Because of your graphics. You need to use a hardware passthrough to a real video card.

>>5970559
Because of your graphics. You need to use a hardware passthrough to a real video card.

>>5959660
Just find an XP/Vista era junker with as much RAM as you would have wanted back then and any card that fits.

I have an old Dell Studio that came with Vista and has a Core 2 Duo or maybe a quad, threw 4GB in there and an old $50 card I bought around Win7 just for dual monitors. Runs everything perfectly, from Quake 3 to Star Wars Episode 1 Racer to POD.

tl;dr don't put any thought into it unless you really want to be period correct, but then your experience will be worse

>>5970569
You can't do that with most emulators, and the ones that do, require Linux.

>>5959768
So? I used AGP Cards long after Win XP came out. My last cards was the 6600, absolutely overkill for playing Unreal Tournament 2k3

>>5970643
>Require linux

>>5970684
My last agp card was the HD3650, I still have it too

>>5970643
>require Linux

holy shit this guy

>>5970643
You mean GNU

>>5970643
what?

>>5966447
>>5970559
lmao

>>5970643
Time to take off the windows training wheels and switch to linux then.

>>5970686
>>5971391
>>5972095
>hurr durr he said teh linux and not linux distros XD
Kys yourselves.
>>5971445
Fuck off Stallman and go eat your toe cheese somewhere else.
>>5972106
I have a Linux distro already installed on another computer, I prefer to use Windows for software development, as that's the main platform that everyone uses.

>>5972281
>that's the main platform that everyone uses
t. zoomer who never stepped foot in a software company

MSI K9A Platinum (MS-7280)
AMD Athlon 64 3800+
ASUS EN8400GS
2gb ram

Just got given the above pc, any chance of doing anything fun with it? I think he said it had vista on which I assume means it can support XP, but unlikely 98

If you actually want to build a retro pc you should look at an forum with reputable members because there is so much retarded misinformation in this thread lmao

>>5972712
>an forum with """"""reputable"""""" members
as if that won't be some circlejerk of distorted reality

the general error of things it to ask for advice on the internet at all. you should use it only to research your problem but come up with your own conclusions

>>5959660
GeForce FX5200 (AGP) are dirt cheap and abundant, like $5
Socket 462 board + Athlon or Sempron CPU are usually the cheapest combo I've seen. Pick something just below 2GHz for best compatibility + performance. Pick a board with DDR RAM support; some old S.462 boards are SDRAM only

What is the best ATI graphics card that is most compatible with games on a Windows 2000 build?

I was thinking of a X1950, but maybe a 9800XT would be better.

>>5974578
When are you going to stop posting many expensive parts (enough for two or three computers, really) and build your computer already? Are you going to use the "no money" excuse again?
It's already been what, one or two years?
At least get a trip so I can filter you.

>>5974578
X850 XT

>>5974578
cant go wrong with a 9000/9200
fast, dirt cheap, DX 8.1 compatible, just get the 128bit bus version

got some stickers for my shitbox

I promised to myself "no more junk" but whatever, I bought this lately
Also, there's a guy selling a Compaq Deskpro with PII for next to nothing, should I get it?

>>5976650
Yes, then resell it.

>>5959683
What are you smoking? Nvidia dropped support for Windows 98 a decade and a half ago, like everyone else. No modern hardware supports it. The newest cards to have w98 drivers available are the GeForce 6000 series cards

>>5976884
>The newest cards to have w98 drivers available are the GeForce 6000 series cards
That's a lot later than I'd expect. Then again it still feels like the 8800GT was a card everyone and their mom was running around with just a week ago.

tha'ts gotta be tough man

>>5960275
>but I am fond of the brand despite being always an inferior choice to their competitors.
That's not entirely true. AMD's 64 bit implementation beat out Intel's, and for a short period was better. But that isn't really Windows 98 related.

>>5959752
>>5959768
>>5960290
>yeah bro you should totally go for the most unstable option just to gain a very tiny margin of performance!!!

>>5977215
I was only offering an alternative, since OP wants Win98 and cheap. I like AMD, since I went from 286-12/386DX40/486DX4-100 to XP to 64x2. AMD is the poor man's only option and typically filled with regret, but it gets the job done. They are pretty worthless but OP specified Win98 opposed to GNU/Linux, AMD works fine, otherwise their competitors would be better, and everyone else in the thread is recommending Intel parts which goes for a lot more across the board.

>>5975995
I am still missing key components which will take some time to save up for, such as a monitor and the specialized RAM. I recently got a SegaCD ODE which wiped my Xbox One X savings away. I hope to win one via Taco Bell though. I did get a DVD-ROM so I can rip the Eva CD-ROMs for that Evangelion thread as promised, so I am making progress slowly.

>>5976002
>>5976634
Thanks! Are there any caveats to know about ATI cards? I never had any, but I heard they have a high likelihood of burning themselves out due to poor thermals or bad capacitors. Figured it would be fun to play around with ATI for '99-'03 for Q3 and all the UTs.

How can I tell what voltage agp a graphics card can withstand? I don't want to rekt my new finds.

I went to a computer recycler and found a

>Diamond Speedstar A50
>Geforce3 Ti200 Pro
>TNT2 64
>Geforce4 MX440SE

>>5979487
literally wikipedia

posting fun errors

>>5981298
fairly certain it was a creative card that shot me this one

>>5981298
>>5981309
Reminds me of the keygen music stuff.

>>5981309
oh I remember why, I was trying to switch from WMD drivers to VDX ones

>>5959660
>CPU/GPU combo
Anything made after Y2K with AGP will do fine. Period-correct hardware will either struggle or be expensive.

Socket 478 and a P4 will be just fine for this era. Maybe Socket 462 and an Athlon if you got a PSU with 20 amps on the 5V rail or a newer mobo that has the 12V CPU plug.

Put in a cheap Geforce2/3/4/5FX to keep it compatible.

Throw in a Soundblaster Live or an Audigy as those can give you some nice spacial audio that you don't get these days and are also super cheap these days.

>>5959705
playing old demos

>>5959660
Dunno if that helps, but some years ago i wanted to play games that didn't run on win xp, so i installed virtual mashine and win 98. After the initial setup i had no problems or lag or whatever. I did play slow games though, some point and sick adventures and some prince of persia/ flashback style game.
Might be worth a shot for you

What's the best Doom sourceport for Win98?

>>5985220
>playing a source port of an ancient game on a relatively modern but obsolete OS when you could even run it on fucking Windows 10.
What's the point?

>>5985220
why Doom95 my fellow gamer, it is quality assured as I the Gabe personally programmed it myself.

grab yourself your trusty Sidewinder a cold one, sit your ass on the couch and enjoy Doom as it was meant to be enjoyed in all its stretched out glory.

>>5985284
You still don’t know what a source port is lol.

>>5985220
legacy is what I always used back in the day

>>5965230
Oh fuck I have a T42 sitting around that I've been wondering what to do with.

>>5981298
Startopia's a fucking fantastic game.
It runs fine on modern hardware in Windows 10, though. One of the devs kept patching it over the years even after the company that made it went bankrupt.

>>5963776
Just use QEMU.

>>5961901
I was getting my stuff from weird sites like manga4free and hentai4free on my 56k AOL trial. Man was I mad when I tried to save Bondage Fairies and realized after a whole volume I had only saved thumbnails.

what are your methods of getting the games on the old rig? Other than discs ofc
I use a usb flash drive, plugged into a USB 2.0 controller PCI card, but I discovered that having a USB pendrive inserted slows the computer down- on 800Mhz Celeron its not that noticeable, but a K6/2 400 gets brougt down on it's knees by the mere presence of the thumb drive

>>5987387
USB uses CPU cycles. If you can't spare them, Firewire is the next answer.

>>5987387
Share connected via gigabit ethernet and Daemon Tools 3.47.
Faster and quieter than an actual optical drive. Leagues faster than USB.

a win98 thread and no comfy screenshots? i won't have it.