/vr/ - Retro Games

Nobody ever said that

people just thought that the 2nd one did a better job at world building as opposed to the 1st where, without reading the manual or researching, you get plopped into a very strange world and you dive right in

Because it looks more like the console games. But both control like garbage.

The original needed improvement?
I see SML2 more as a whole different thing, bigger in scope though, that's for sure.

>>5966931
it had nice music on the boss level in space world!
probably the best mario music ever and it's such a sadness that it will never be remixed in another mario game:(

>>5966938
i did

>>5966940
>Dive on in

>>5966998
This guy gets it

The jumping physics and air control feel a lot closer to super mario bros 3. Mario land 1 had just about the stiffest controls of any mario game.

The level design is just incredible. Like they didn't give a single fuck about anything and Just let their creativity and vision flow.

>>5966931
Because it is. Better physics, more and better powerups, a comparable if not better soundtrack (blasphemy, I know), and more stages. From control to replay value to graphics there is not one thing that Super Mario Land 2 does not do better than Super Mario Land. As incredible as the original may be, it is only the nostalgia blinded who played the original when it first came out and retardedly did not buy the sequel because, I don't know, they weren't playing their GBs as much by '92, who insist that it is superior.

>>5966998
>probably the best mario music ever
My negro.

>>5966931
There isn’t a single aspect about it that’s worse than the original. Graphics, sound, gameplay, plot is all better. I don’t understand how you could even ask. This is one case where it’s just indisputable that the sequel was better.

>>5967221
Of course they didn't give a fuck. The R&D1 team outright hated making this game.

Because it's near console quality, unlike the original. People only like Mario Land 1 because of nostalgia.

>>5966931
Because it actually looks, feels, and plays like a Mario game, unlike Mario Land 1. It's also just a great game and it gave us Wario

>>5966931
Graphics.
SML is a way better game, though.
/thread

>>5966931
It had bigger SMW-ish sprites. Pretty impressive for a small screened handheld at the time.

>>5966931
Because it is?

>>5966940
>world building
>gameboy marios

It had the most bizarre and convoluted world that was never seen again in 20 years of the series existence.

>>5966940
>world building
Nobody give a shit about this buzzword 20+ years ago

>>5966931
Because the first one was a gameboy proof-of-concept only had to be better than the game & watch Marios to impress people.

>>5966998
It was remixed in that new paper mario (color splash?)

>>5967027
>Why do people
>people

>>5967452
Nintendo did such amazing work on the GameBoy the next game, Wario Land, was even better and an incredible experience at the time, these games should have been colored and ported over but keeping everything the same.

>>5966931
>Same music sped up and slowed down on every level
>Mario doesn't look like Mario
>Terrible bosses
I think people confused flashier graphics and bigger sprites with a better game.

>>5967328
>The R&D1 team outright hated making this game.
Do you have a way to verify that claim of yours? Why would they hate it? It's not like they had a vendetta with EAD.

why could these games never get the physics right?

>>5967771
>Same music sped up and slowed down on every level
*cough* Super Mario World *cough* Super Mario 64
>Mario doesn't look like Mario
lol wut

>>5966931
Scrubs and their scrub opinions

>>5968532
Not an argument.

>>5966931
Looks more like a traditional Mario game but it's still more unique than a console Mario. Game also didn't really feel compromised by being a Gameboy game either.

>>5967745
Warioland was the best. Too bad its sequels sucked.

The usual reasons that the general consensus tends to prefer one game over another game:

>better graphics
>lower difficulty
>"more content"

I don't think that they're wrong, mind you, in saying Mario Land 2 is superior. I'm simply explaining why people say that games are better than other games for the most part. This is also the main basis behind the "old bad new good" mentality, though increasingly point 3 is less and less true.

There’s an awesome colorization ROM hack for 2 now

>>5968897
I'm currently enjoying Wario Land Virtual Boy, it's like playing a PSX era 2D platformer.

The colors look nice.

VB Wario Land should be colored as well, what a great game on such a trash system.

>>5969148
They would be better off remaking it, and at that point they'd be better off making a new game, vb Wario is too fuckin short to sell full-price, but the original isn't enough to justify making an entire official VB emulator for 3DS either, especially since a number of good vb games would be gimped on a 3ds input set.

>>5969145
I’m currently playing through these romhacks, it’s so nice

>>5967793
https://web.archive.org/web/20080523095344/http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=482
https://web.archive.org/web/20080603115614/http://www.kombo.com/article.php?artid=10570

Basically, making "fake Mario games" was considered an insult to R&D1's talents, but it's what Yamauchi wanted and so they had to make them.

>>5966940
>me 20+ years ago
>"Wow y'all, this WORLD BUILDING is just ON POINT!"

Go to bed, Zoomer.

>>5966931
>nostalgia goggles
>first appearance of daisy

>>5969403
>"Yamauchi, perhaps pressured by other Nintendo executives, split up his two most successful R&D; teams. Gunpei Yokoi's team was delegated to support the Game Boy, while Shigeru Miyamoto's team was catapulted to rock stardom as the premier design group on the Super Nintendo home console."
>Miyamoto goes on to become one of the most well-known and respected men in all of gaming. Yokoi later dies in an automobile accident
Fuck. For all of his brilliance and all that he accomplished, Yokoi had some rough luck...

>>5967548
It's ok.
you can just say you never played D&D

>>5968897
Shit yeah, I got Wario the Moon. You're welcome little buddy.

>>5966940
Lol no. Nobody gives a fuck about that. The main problem with ML1 is the physics. Fun little game, but the controls can be awkward.
And of course ML2 is just bigger in scale than ML1.

I wish the whole game had the challenge of Wario's Castle. I completely understand that the game was for a younger audience, but 90% of it is way too easy and it's possible to casually beat the game in around an hour.

>>5966931
why sml1 is so small

>>5966931
Super Mario Land was very different from the NES games. The fire flower looking power-up gave you super balls that ricocheted around until they hit something or expired, and you could only have one on screen at a time. The Koopa Troopa looking enemies left behind a bomb rather than a kickable shell when stomped. Unless you played Super Mario World before this game, you probably weren't prepared for enemies that took two stomps to die. It simply took time to get used to the differences, time that some people weren't willing to invest.

>>5966931
Because it's an undeniable graphical improvement, and to tiny-brains graphics are the most important aspect of a game.

>>5970937
Doesn't have to scroll vertically. Kind of takes the whole picture you'd see on an NES Mario game, and converts it to the smaller screen.