/vr/ - Retro Games

What kind of parody is this? Nobody like you're describing really exists.

I'm losing the will to live

I love how based WATA even entombs used video games. Truly they are at the forefront of collecting™ innovation. You too can pay $100 to have your heavily used piece of junk locked in a plastic shell, so you can never use it again!

I found a NES 001 (the first ones ever made, sell for 13k on ebay) and VGA graded it! Beat this fellow collector!

>>5828643

>>5828643
Head on over to NintendoAge and be amazed

My favorite is this one, they left the EEPROMs exposed to light

>>5828818
Are you saying that the game there is erased?

>>5828824
Depends on where they stored it and if the plastic is transparent to UV light or not.
Yes, it's probably corrupted by now. But it's not like it matters since it will never be taken out of the plastic coffin

>>5828818
That's handy. I'd open the plastic case, throw it away, and flash it with something good, like SMB.

>>5828635
This is the biggest meme I've ever seen. Graded games? Filthy re-sellers from the coin/comic/sports memorabilia bring their cancerous practices into our market now that the words out on retro games. WATA is the biggest scam I've ever seen. Grading games is an entirely different animal than comics, cards, coins, etc WATA fags are cancer and aren't real player collectors even. Any real player that collects mostly deals in cart only. Some even prefer CIB. Whats the fucking point turning a game into a paper weight, autistic Kevin display piece? WATA is no CGC because games are unlike any other form of collectable memorabilia and WATA's frame work cannot guarantee that whats
>Sealed
inside of what they're grading, is what it claims to be. There are numerous ways one can go about professionally re-creating a factory seal.

WATA fags stay the hell out of our community and marketplace. We actually play our games. Not display them like some overly privileged Sperglord Kevin.

What happens when the battery in those sealed carts leaks?

>>5828824
Honestly, it is probably still fine unless they left it outside or on a windowsill in direct sunlight for a long time or something, but it is always good practice to cover EPROM windows to avoid any mishaps, as well as dumping the data so the EPROMs can be re-written if they ever corrupt.

As the other anon pointed out, it is irrelevant since nobody is ever going to play that cart again.

>>5828635
go this just brought back memorys of when my reatives trashed nearly all my retro games, as well as several old ones in the process of moving out to "save space" ( ._.) feels bad man

This isn't retro gaming

This is really expensive wall decor that happens to be retro games.

It's a damn shame.

>>5828884
>since nobody is ever going to play that cart again

>>5828806
>>5828635
GOOGIE LETS KILL OUR GAMES TO GAVE FILTHY HIPSTERS MORE LARGE PENIS BRAGGING!!!!!!

Just emulate now, and this is coming form someone who used to collect physical but jesus, i am not handing over my carts never cause i know people just gonna resell them at butt rape prices.

>>5828894
Pay up granny fanny

>>5828635
Fetching a crummy sealed game? They should have been grabbing flashcarts or emulating instead!

>loose cart
What's the point? If you're not getting CIB you might as well get flashcarts.

>>5828869
>We actually play our games.
As he says on a board where everyone shitposts about "my console is better than yours!", "this acclaimed game sucks because I say so!" and "this game in a popular franchise is so much better than that other very popular game in the same franchise!" not to mention all the obviously imported 'memes' that are as funny as seeing someone get shot right in front of you. People on this board do anything except actually playing anything.

Oh and don't forget the obligatory emulation vs original hardware threads. That's gotta happen as well every fucking day.

>>5830550
So why did you come here in the first place? Why bother writing such painful bait? Is this humor? Desperate for attention?

>>5830550
Well, those arguments are at least rooted in playing games. These people would be arguing about whether a tear in the cellophane wrapper is more or less of a detriment to value than a slightly crushed corner.

>>5830605
>bait
If stating the current situation of this board is bait to you than you must be delusional. Everything I mentioned happens on a weekly basis here and not only when it's summer.

>>5830619
>rooted in playing games
Well then how about discussing Mario Oddyssey on the Switch? How about discussing what video cards you use, talk about how off-topic gaming journalism has become or whine about how you hate it that you can't buy a game because it's so expensive? You might as well talk about astronomy or making gunplas at that point because those topics have just as much to do with playing retro games as the examples I just gave here (and yes people make threads about those too)..

>>5828635
I need to find out where someone with shit like this, or golden-age comics, etc live and go set that trash on fire for lulz.
Arson isn't hard to get away with, even in rich neighborhoods.

>>5830837
Tax payers will reimburse them, so..

>>5830859
>Tax payers will reimburse them, so..
Loosing the investment is heartbreaking. It's always fun to watch someone lose a foolish investment.

>>5830619
This

>>5830550
I cannot speak for all anons on >>>/vr/ but I am a member of this community, and the larger community of actual player collectors. The anons from >>>/vr/ that I have met or know personally, all mutually have expressed the same sentiment described in my post. We can take the topic in multiple directions, marginalizing fringe member elements of this community, and their preferences related to things that are unrelated to the point I was attempting to make. If we stay on target, the fact remains that >>5828891 is 100% based and correct and we share >>5828894 feels

WATA and their ilk and are not involving themselves with our community and marketplace out of love, passion, and true experience with gaming. WATA and their ilk and involved with our community and marketplace exclusively for monetary gain.

>>5830837
This post wreaks of an old Craigslist scam tactic to rob people with collections.

>>5831060
Used to rob collectors of their collections, once the scammers were able to find out where the collectors lived.

>>5831060
>wreaks
"reeks"

>>5831052
Now that's passion
>>5830867
Tell me about it, I have anxiety that sends me into panic if I lose a pair of socks, or snacks.. lol

>>5830837
I'd personally like to see WATA headquarters broken into not for theft, but to simply open every sealed game in the building and
>back on the shelf it goes
So they'd be forced to sell off those games at normal market CIB rate, and not some artificially inflated price, so their ilk cannot sit back and feel as if they're innovating some new retro business model, all the while not belonging.

>>5828635
>in the current WATA market
The arrogance. To imply WATA owns OUR market. Blow that out your ass

>>5831093
Why not reseal it you bitch

>>5831124
Exactly my point as to why WATA is a scam
see >>5828869
>There are numerous ways one can go about professionally re-creating a factory seal.

>>5830837
Shit like this is why when I sell shit online I never put my real address and just put down my PO box.

>>5831124
also see >>5828869
>WATA's frame work cannot guarantee that whats "sealed" inside of what they're grading, is what it claims to be.

>>5831136
Based practice

>>5830425
CIB can double or even quadruple the price of a game and I dislike going through an sd card menu to play games. Feels weird.

>>5831145
Repro boxes are also a solid possibility for the player collector that prefers CIB without the price associated. The manufacturer of the repro box matter a TON, if you want OEM retail quality. I recommend looking into Uncle Tusk out of LA or Dangerous Games on Etsy out of the UK. I have order repro boxes from both and I am highly satisfied with the quality and pricing from both. I personally have a mix of OEM and repro boxes, all CIB. Good luck and happy hunting.

There's nothing wrong with sealing your games.
Seal yours too, cucks.

>make "retro game grading" business
>get CIB games from retards
>remove game from box and place empty chink repro shell inside so it weights the same
>seal it in plastic case and send back to hipster

>>5828806
Are all PRG0 versions of Mario 3 "left bros"?
If you remember Kuribo's shoe in your game but don't have the cartridge any more, did you throw away 5000 US dollars?

You know this whole thing seems ripe for counterfeiting and scamming. Money laundering, etc.
It's easy to tell a counterfeit coin or MTG card or comic book if an expert examines it, but a sealed game-in-box cannot be truly graded. Only the outer packaging is graded, and that shit isn't hard to counterfeit.

>>5831093
Best idea here. Find collectors of this kind of shit and tear open the boxes. Leave the games. No theft or destruction of the games or instruction books.

>>5831112
Sorry dear, but the big boys have come out to play, and right now it seems like said big boys are the ones bringing some new insight to the table, so chill and learn a thing or two ;) Pretty amazing how little supposedly hardcore gamers really know about their collector market. Really glad that WATA and GoCollect are bringing some MUCH needed organization and validity to the videogame market, really makes it more appealing and accessible for true collecting experts. And Heritage Auctions is just so much more legitimate than eBay.

Anyway, hopefully there are some true collecting experts here on 4Chan who can help bring some cool collecting discussion to the table!

>>5831346
contribute beyond shitty bait or gtfo >>>/b/

>>5831425
Read the thread, it's very obvious that I already did.

>>5831354
>I'll take shit tier scam for $1000, Alex.

>>5831391
>Bringing some new insight to the table
Artificially inflating prices isn't new. From the get, you insult OUR market experts intelligence, rationalizing your own markets interests, attempting to convey that WATA's interests somehow align with the purity and legitimacy of OUR preexisting market.

>so chill and learn a thing or two
The only thing I can learn from WATA is, how to spot a scam attempt from a lot farther away.

>true collecting experts
2/10 shits weak

>Heritage Auctions more legit than EBAY
Shill attempt/10

>cool collecting discussion to the table
Implying that this there hasn't been
>collecting discussion
in this bread. Indirectly expose your bait with hyper dense generalizations.

Ya know what go for it. I look forward to unloading my game collection into a massively over priced market once you morons are done blowing it up. Just like I did with comics & magic cards.

ITT: WATA fags and the tard shills that get scammed for thousands attempting to convince themselves and the retro gaming community that their neat wall decor is the same as retro gaming.
>muh collection of jemz tho

>>5831445
This

This is what WATA's existence will do to our market, if we deal with them. If we don't simply deal with sellers that deal in WATA titles, we can weed out this cancer.

>>5831445
How much does a Zuran Orb go for now?

Why is VGA called WATA now? And why do neither provide instruction on how to open a sealed game?

>>5831464
Sketch operations tend to think that rebranding into a new sketch operation, with an all new sketch business model will somehow fool the community, they seek to invade with their misinformation and inflation.

>>5831464
WATA actually cucked VGA by stealing their market with practices more in line with the comic grading communities likes. Then, WATA bought nintendoage outright to make an echobox for their graded shllling - nintendage cucks had to switch allegiance from their beloved VGA crap to the new master.

>>5831475
Based

>>5831475
More like:
>Owner of GoCollect buys nintendoage
>Also buys the former owner of nintendoage's game collection
>New owner basically says in so many words that his goal is to use the information shared on nintendoage in his efforts to make money off the game collecting hobby
>Starts selling off pieces of the collection he bought from the previous nintendoage owner on Heritage Auctions, with the label of The Carolina Collection... as if anybody should actually give a flying fuck that he and the guy he bought his overnight collection from both lived in Carolina, and that it somehow adds legitimacy and value to the games
I miss the old days of the Digital Press/Retrogaming Roundtable forum, where genuine game fans and collectors discussed and bought/sold what they loved, back before it became big business for "investors." Nintendoage wasn't too bad, but now that it is owned by some profiteer, it feels like posting there is just contributing to a lab rat community whose behaviors furnish the owner with more precious information to help his business ventures.

>>5831530
This

>>5828635
>>5831530

The whole speculation and investor market on sealed/graded/first print/launch edition games is just a meme by ignorant boomers coming from other fatigued collecting scenes like comics and toys and their just playing a game of financial hot potato

>>5830837
Choose me. Then my insurance would pay for something for once and I might get a fair price for this junk without having to create an ebay account and deal with all of that.

>>5831978
This

>>5831997
You're a different type of scam artist it seems. A cousin to WATA scam artistry maybe I'm not sure

>>5831978
Tell us all about those stocks with a dwindling supply, financial expert.

>>5831978
not with vidya AHYUCK HYUCK

>>5832285
>dwindling supply
Predicated upon cancerous practices like ones WATA employs. Get out tardlord

>>5832352
>dodges the question
How predictable. Moron.

>>5832360
Not the same anon Mr. Wizard

>>>/r/eddit

>>5828635
What terrible B8 M8. 1/10

>>5832541
>>5828806

>>5828635
Fuck you

>>5833115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wY-Z648Og

>Propaganda hides your scum

>>5831093
>CIB have not inflated prices
Lol

>>5834984
I wonder how long before this crap starts to trickle down into other facets of game collecting. Sure, right now it seems that it is the graded sealed market that's going nuts due to these dingbats coming in and spending, but surely not-quite-as-wealthy comic book collectors will come in and target CIB games, driving up their prices, and then even more coming in and buying up loose carts. Hopefully not.

>>5834984
I cannot speak to current CIB rates. Obviously depending on the title, CIB rates will vary. But the argument cannot be made that somehow even existing CIB rates are no where close to graded (Artificially inflated) prices.

>>5835028
This is exactly why artificially inflating one sector of the retro market spells trouble for all sectors, as inflation could potentially effect loose and CIB prices, and most likely would.

>>5828635
>How are you guys doing in the current WATA market?
How is there a "market" for shit that comes out of my kitchen faucet?

>>5835915
Yeah, but only if it is sealed and graded.

Cut the WATA snakes head off. I won't deal with anyone who deals in WATA bricks, as their credibility as a legitimate dealer would be in question, if they deal in most likely stolen, or phony games stored inside of those sealed
WATA containers. It's pretty obvious to anyone with an inch of common sense, how much of a gray area this whole sealing a sealed game and slapping a number on it, if the plastic shines a certain way, and asking for quadruple the going market rate.

I've never seen such a blatant scam operation in plain sight, being adopted by folks in the community. Then again, I doubt any legitimate retro player or collector would fall for this, outside of WATA's own echo chamber of Nintendo Age cucks. All it's going to take is one time for someone is going to open up one of those graded games and find a repro board inside or a dummy shell to match weight.

WAKE UP PEOPLE

>>5836030 >>5835915
It's bottled at the source, a fresh water spring, in a mountain top, somwhere in the himalayas.

>>5836070
based af

>>5835915
Oh Chip...

>>5836053
HOLY SHIT
>>5836084
why thankies

>>5836070
>buying into water grader/slabber propaganda
Let me guess, you're a speculator who moved over into the water market from the comics market, right?

>>5836121
I hustle

>>5828869
>Filthy re-sellers from the coin/comic/sports memorabilia bring their cancerous practices into our market now that the words out on retro games.

Literally what the boomers have done to cars and houses, and many of those people are boomers themselves. People tend to grossly overestimate just how much the boomers have destroyed the economy.

>>5836586
Just don't participate?

>>5836586
Slightly digressing it would seem. I understand the comparison, but I'm not involved in those markets to even have an opinion as to what best or detrimental to the individual market. I'm only concerned with the scamming practices of WATA, and the ripple effect artificially inflating our markets commodities, and the negative effect that will have on loose and CIB prices.

>>5831365
holy shit i didn't know that was really a thing.

anyone else watch pat talk about it for 45 mins. Pretty good listen if you have the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do4pTrmyeiE

>>5831391

>>5837097
that's why the only people getting rich in a gold rush are the guys selling the tools, which in this case is the vidya-hardware.

>>5831391
lol anon, pls

>>5828635
Literally did I miss something?

Pic related implies that somehow loose carts are enshrined in a plastic container, while missing the graded cert?

What the literal fuck? Grading loose carts now?
Seriously if that happens those WATA faggots will find themselves in fist fights at usually peaceful conventions. It wont exclusively be larping neckbeard beta's coming at them either.

>>5839732
>tard the implier

>>5839776
you must >>>/b/ lost

>>5839805
>i must literally >>>reddit lost
FTFYK

>>5831978
I want someone to create perfect reproductions of these games with *one* way to tell it's not real, start selling them through multiple accounts with WATA approval at a slightly lower price than most only to announce a year later that it's all fucking fake. Imagine the asshurt when they realize thousands were wasted on fucking $20 repros.

>>5840126
The bullshit they use to grade by, like fucking shrinkwrap seams, could be easily faked. As the prices increase, watch for chinkshit makers to see the money and start pumping out NIB games. It's not like a comic where every page has to look 50 years old, staple rust, yellowing, shitty pulp paper stocks...it's just a box that could have any shit game, or nothing but weight, in it.

Fuck, these guys have put out complete copies of Neo Geo carts down to making their own pcbs. This would be nothing.

>>5840162
Changed my mind a bit, I don't want it to be recognizable. I just want them to sit in fear that they might have a repro so WATA grade shit just plummets in value, since they have no idea whether or not what they have is a genuine copy or something made in China a few months ago,
It'd also be really great for people who just want to play gaems being able to get essentially new copies of shit they want for $20.

>>5839732
The only value a game has is in playing it.
If it's locked up like that and can't be played it's worthless.
People who collect shit like this are cancer. Only coin collectors get a pass.

We tried to warn you idiots. We warned you when resellers were starting to play the speculation game and now it's been taken over by people who think that a New Tork Test Launch SMB should be worth $10k because they're going by comic book collector "first printing" mentality.

>>5839732
IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO DESTROY WATA?

the only way to fucking return the prices to 2000s era us to adopt Japan's system of NOT keeping the games and trade actually meaning TRADE, oh and shunning away any money hungry white who wants to inflate the prices and rigged the rules on "rarity", because fuck paying 20$ for loose copy of generic Nintendo games!

>>5839732
No they're actually grading them. Saw an '8.0' with dirt all over it

>>5840184
>The only value a game has is in playing it.
sick

At least Genesis games won't be affected by this...right?

>>5840518
Atari era games will NEVER be affected by these comic book tards, thankfully. This generation of games is the last holdout of affordable collecting, new in box and all.

Anyone else find the entire idea of keeping game boxes to be autistic as fuck? Obviously only a heathen throw out the cases when they're actual cases meant for storage, like jewel cases for discs or the clamshell plastic cases for genesis games. But the cardboard boxes that NES/SNES/N64 stuff came in? That was literally just something to house the game while it's in the store. It's meant to be ripped open and tossed away. It's like saving your cereal boxes. What's next, preserving packing peanuts and bubble wrap?

>>5840518
lol, you're several years late there, fren. The meme wave of bandwagoning/hording/scalping started with NES and worked its way through the other old nintendo consoles, but after those got saturated it moved to the genesis and those prices inflated too. This was years back.

>>5840604
Actually atari games used to be pricey because there was a bubble back in the 2000s. But then everyone got tired of atari and the prices crashed and stayed there. People keep waiting for the same thing to happen with the other generations, but it's been almost a decade of price hikes and people are still hoping things will go back down.

>>5840604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pEJ18N_JuM
I actually find it kinda sad seeing people buying up all the Star Wars merchandise before everyone else has a chance just so they can scalp the prices.

>>5840518
I think this will really spread. Someone into comic collecting can correct me, but I would definitely assume that there are comic book collectors who don't have the money that the current wave of comic-to-game collectors seem to have. These will likely eventually hop on the bandwagon as well, but target somewhat more affordable games, eventually driving up those prices as well.

>>5840679
>throwing beatiful SFC boxes to the trash
Now you're just shitposting

>>5840714
cardboard box != case. If it's not meant for reusable storage, then into the trash it goes.

>>5840780
SFC boxes can arguably be reused for storage. They have a plastic tray in them and the boxes open easily. Either way, the boxes are a much better display item than loose games, for people who care about that.

>>5840795
Oh, I thought you were talking about the console box. Yeah, the ones for super famicom games I would keep (if I had them) because they were clearly meant for reuse. My issue is the hording of the off-the-shelf disposable boxes. You know, the ones where they're designed to be ripped open and tossed away. Like american nintendo cart boxes

>>5840358
Don't do business with anyone affiliated with WATA in any capacity. If they carry WATA games, don't buy from them, don't trade with them. Publicly shame WATA in every way possible. Educate community members as to the numerous negative effects WATA has on our markets commodities. Educate community members as to how WATA games is in no way shape or form the retro gaming experience, as essentially bricked games offer no experience, outside of what a piece of art would invoke. We can kill this meme. Timing, lighting, and going fist to cuffs with their people will help. I don't think WATA quite understands peoples feels about what they're pocking around with, feeling all capitalist like.

>>5840714
This

>>5840847
Well, i don't care too much about those boxes unless they look nice but, since a lot of people do and i can resell stuff for more money, i keep them somewhere they don't bother.

>>5840924
A couple of collectors I know do this. They don't like the idea of complete in box. In many instances, the box or instructional manual can be valuable by themselves, as you eluded too. I also know CIB collectors that would prefer to purchase an OEM box or manual over a repro, if the price is right. Sometimes though, it is not. Depending on where it comes from repro boxes or manuals can be solid avenue to take.

>>5840942
I mean, if it cost the same i'd prefer the boxed one but it's not personally worth too much of a difference in cost.

Speaking of repro, i have a few SFC loose cartridges i've been considering getting some repro boxes for, in your experience how close do they look to the originals? For display purposes only.

>>5840950
see >>5831160
>Uncle Tusk out of LA or Dangerous Games on Etsy out of the UK

As anon mentioned, it really matters in terms of the quality, where you go. I have ordered repro boxes from Dangerous Games but not Uncle Tusk. You can differentiate between a repro and an original, in a side by side comparison pretty easy. To the naked eye, it may be noticeable here and there, that the case is a repro box. In my experience, for SNES, repro boxes are white cardboard, OEM boxes are gray. How the ink bonds to the material varies between the two.

Pic related is a Mega Man 5 repro box. Pretty spot on I think aesthetically.

>>5840950
Fan Brew Games is also another solid repro box, art, and manual manufacturer. I have also ordered from them and was extremely pleased with the quality. They were the only repro box, art, and manual manufacturer that had the correct red label cover art for the NTSC version of Mega Man The Wily Wars on Sega Genesis.

>>5841373
Pic related is one of those gems that WATA cancer cannot even get close to ruining. Imagine that. Those niche titles that don't fit in the standard retail market. I guess WATA cancer is unable to account for that form of OUR markets legitimacy

Feels good man

>>5840093
If the shoe fits roody poo

>>5840331
>New Tork Test Launch SMB
Your point is based. I'd love to get my hands on one of those with the Nintendo seal in tact. Not to artificially inflate it's value either by having it graded like a pretentious cunt from some other market.

>>5841476
>niche titles that don't fit in the standard retail market

>>5841494
>no u
18+

>>5841476
>Those niche titles that don't fit in the standard retail market
They already put prototypes in their cases (which from reading their documentation are meant to be possible to break open) presumably after authenticating them. So yeah, they're probably going to contribute to prototype prices going up, which are one of the few markets that have greater value in terms of public preservation. The more prototype dumpers have to pay, the fewer prototypes that will get dumped.

>>5841638
Green texting something I didn't type. Specifying age requirement of 4Chan after incorrect green text, as if that is somehow suppose to make sense after your last shitpost >>5840093 Keep it up anon, your contributions to this bread are greatly appreciated. Here I'll help you with your syntax. We've all been new before. Good job buddy

>>>/r/eddit

>>5841662
>The more prototype dumpers have to pay, the fewer prototypes that will get dumped.
Speculative and not how it works

Also, that title wasn't a
>Prototype

The licensing surrounding that title and it's original lifespan wasn't predicated upon a prototyping or a physical release. Nice try though. They can't come for every gem. Their model isn't scalable enough.

>>5841810
I was more referring to non-retail stuff in general, which would encompass prototypes. Most proto dumpers are just people buying stuff to dump, so the more expensive the games get, they fewer they can afford.

>>5841818
I see. That makes sense

>>5841476
>>5841517
Just passing through... Nothing to grade here

*Whistles*

>>5841818
This is a disgrace. I'd love to break this true prototype out of that case. Such a damn shame. I cannot wait until I get the opportunity to meet one of these WATA cunts. I don't think they're going to care for me that much.

>>5842079
It is a shame. Most prototype collectors and by extension dumpers probably aren't anywhere near the realm of wealth that these investor types are in, so if prototypes ever really catch on in the Heritage Auctions/WATAfags scene, it will be a dark day for game preservation. Fortunately they seem more caught up in sticker seal and left bros nonsense, so I doubt any huge negative impact is likely, but some shit like that will probably have a good chance of selling to some investor who will just lock it away forever instead of going to somebody with any intent of ever sharing the ROM.

>>5841802
>my projecting level is >9000
18+ summerfag

>>5842079
Look at that fuckshit. It's labelled by WATA as though they're the experts in game carts or some bullshit.
>The Carolina Collection
Jesus Frederic Christ

>>5840358

Maybe get VGA into action? motivate them a bit to send one or two friendly neighbourhood thugs over there? After all WATA stepped into their neighborhood, scamming morons out of their money for putting stuff into useless plastic tombs is THEIR turf, and NOBODY step onto mah turf!

>>5842441
The Carolina Collection is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in game collecting. It means nothing, all it is is a forum admin's personal collection that he sold off to the guy who bought the forum from him. It wasn't newsworthy, it wasn't some miraculous haul, there's no deep historical significance, they weren't games owned by some industry veteran or historical figure, there's no reason why any of those titles should garner heightened interest over any other like kind title from a different collection - it was Collector A selling to Investor B. The fact that WATA slapped that on there is hilarious, and unless they're willing to do custom collection titles for anybody who asks, rather bullshitty and undermines whatever impartial grading authority reputation that they're presumably going for.

>>5836096
Fucking die.

>>5842592
The whole WATA thing screams "we're trying to fool the DEA" to me, or something. Maybe (((they're))) running out of modern "art" to use.

>>5828635
I actually saw those fuckers at Comic on....

>>5842842
I doubt it. They've just found a way to capitalize on Gen Xers and Boomer collectors pursuing alternative investment strategies in a market they don't fully understand.

>>5842880
why_not_both.jpeg