/vr/ - Retro Games

Original map that came packed with the game.

Full overworld map with spoilers.

You have just started a new quest.

What is the first thing you do?

>>5726659
Collect hidden money, candle, bombs, the heart pieces, white sword, blue ring, large shield, bait, arrow.

Then trash dungeons from start to finish.

i wish Nintendo just give us the Zelda 1 chemistry engine they made for BotW

>>5726775
I would love to see a Zelda Maker that allows players to create and share custom 2D dungeons, with skins for Zelda 1, ALTTP, LA, and ALBW, similar to how Mario Maker has skins for SMB, SMB3, SMW, etc.

>>5726785
That exists already.

>>5726793
I know there was talk of a fan game like that a while back. Didn't Nintendo get it taken down?

>>5726680
Based. I do the exact same thing. I collect everything I can before entering a single dungeon, and then do them all in order.

>>5726680
Only viable answer

Fun fact: “The Hyrule Fantasy” is not a subtitle you retarded faggot.

>>5726785
I would love for you to die in a fire. I don’t want a lazy, crowd sourced Zelda game. I don’t want to play levels made by retarded 12 year olds. I don’t want to play troll shit for ecelebs to scream at. I want an expertly designed Zelda game.

>>5726961
Nobody would force you to play it.

>>5726975
No, but if that takes resources away from a real Zelda (which it will), it can get fucked.

>>5726810
No.
https://www.zeldaclassic.com/

>>5726961
> I want an expertly designed Zelda game.
You mean one like the original?

>>5726659
Play through the first dungeon, wander around for a bit, get lost, take a break, then never start playing again. Wait a year or two, rinse and repeat.

>>5727005
Never finished it?

>>5727001
Yes.

>>5726659
try to remember where all the hidden heart pieces and shit are, then start doing dungeons when I can't remember

>*Blocks your path*

Pay me for the door repair charge.

>>5727106
Fuck this dungeon. I think this is the hardest part of the game.

>>5727010
Nope. As a kid I would start a new game and just wander around for a long time fighting overworld enemies, getting lost, and not knowing what to do. When I got older, I tried to go back and really play it but it just doesn't really hold my interest enough for me to put up with the slow pace of memorizing the overworld while figuring out where to go and what to do. I have the same problem with Metroid 1, my interest just waivers and I end up not going back for so long that I have to restart because I can't remember what I was doing.

>>5727157
I definitely feel that way about Metroid, but I think Zelda is a lot more straightforward. You might enjoy playing it with a map. It's a lot of fun when you know where to go.

>>5726785
yeah thats just zelda classic on PC you mean you want an official one so you can give it the bing bing wahoo baby endorsement

Thoughts on this? Has anybody played it?

>>5727201
I bought a homebrew cart a while back. I've only played it once. I was very high, but it's cool. It's really different from the original game. It has a lot of new areas and hazards. I remember one screen where you're trying to go up a mountain or something, and tornados keep coming down the screen and pulling you back down.

>>5727201
I bought a homebrew cart a while back. I've only played it once. I was very high, but it's cool. It's really different from the original game. It has a lot of new areas and hazards. I remember one screen where you're trying to go up a mountain or something, and tornados keep coming down the screen and pulling you back down.
>pic related

>>5726659
>get troll

I'm just going to leave this here.

>>5726680
>not beating the entire game with three hearts, a wooden sword, and no armor

Are arrows the most worthless item in zelda 1?

>>5727441
Depends on how you play the game. If you collect everything at the beginning (bait, blue candle, blue ring, potions, big shield, spare keys, etc.) then you literally don't need rupees for anything. At that point, arrows become your best friend. You can use them for range attacks when you're not at full health and can't shoot sword beams. They're really powerful and it doesn't matter if they cost rupees because you already own everything.

>>5727474
They're also faster than sword beams.

>>5727017
Me too. In the meantime the Z1R randomizer is great.
https://sites.google.com/site/zeldarandomizer/

>>5727474
But I still need to buy potions and bomb upgrades. Plus the boomerang still exists as a reliable ranged weapon until you get the magic rod.

>>5727441
No. I thought so as a kid because I hoarded rupees. But when I have rupees to spare, arrows are useful because they fire instantly. I use them in Level-6 to take out the Like-Likes before trying to kill the Wizrobes. That way I almost never lose my magic shield.

>>5727514
Rod has a delay just like the full-health sword. Arrows are instant.

>>5727523
>>5727514
and not just a delay, but animation where you're stuck in place making you more vulnerable. With an arrow you can fire and keep moving.

>>5727290
Is this useful to anyone other than speedrunners?

What are the exact damage values of every weapon? Are say; bombs stronger than the white sword and bow?

>>5727532
I don't know damage values, but I know that blast damage from bombs faces whatever direction you were facing when you dropped it. This makes them ideal for killing darknuts in crowded rooms. You can drop them and run away, and if they're facing the right direction, it'll take out several of them at once.

>>5727541
Huh. I just figured it was radial damage.

>>5727529
It's useful to anyone who can learn it. But for most it's probably just enough to know which enemies are on which loot tables, and what's in each loot table. For example starting out the game by killing blue octorocks is a good way to get some bombs quickly, since you know the first random drop will be a bomb so long as you don't kill any A-group enemies first.

>>5727605
Let me rephrase my question. Does anybody without terminal autism find this useful?

>>5727621
I think most if that isn't that useful, but knowing which enemies can drop bombs is pretty useful even for a casual player.

>>5727621
>kill the blue octorocks if you want bombs
>terminal autism
I don't think you understand what that word means.

>>5727645
>kill the blue octorocks if you want bombs
You're oversimplifying the image.

>>5727668
I'm making deductions and ignoring unimportant details. You can match the enemies listed next to "B" (by fucking picture no less) with the "B column" of loot drops and see that something like 30% of the drops from those enemies are bombs, and NO other enemies ever drop bombs.

3-year-olds are capable of simple matching like this, and being unable to filter extraneous information and process the rest in a useful, practical way is actually more of a sign of autism than not, anon.

>>5727692
Forgive me for being a math brainlet, but it seems to me, even ignoring which enemies you kill, you have a 3/10 chance of getting a bomb depending on the variable at 052A.

>>5727701
yes, the arcane knowledge is that 052A increments each time you kill an enemy (of any type). So if you kill a blue Octo on the first turn and he doesn't drop anything, you can kill 4 reds before killing another blue for a chance at a bomb drop.

But the chart can still be useful without that level of optimization. You can just only kill blues until the bombs drop, which takes slightly longer but will be a lot faster than wasting time killing Leevers and Tektites which will never drop them no matter how many you kill.

>>5727721
>the arcane knowledge is that 052A
You're being facetious, but nobody in fucking 1980 knew about that register. Nobody knew about it until recently. Nobody who isn't a speedrunning autist keeps a running mental note of what variable is stored at 052A. Just admit that you're terminally autistic and we can move on.

>>5727721
>o if you kill a blue Octo on the first turn and he doesn't drop anything, you can kill 4 reds before killing another blue for a chance at a bomb drop.
or I guess it's 8 after 2 blues, but you get the idea. Point is you can use the basic information even without fully understanding it or autistically counting each enemy you kill to keep track of the value at 0x052A

>>5727728
>You're being facetious, but nobody in fucking 1980 knew about that register. Nobody knew about it until recently
I know you fucking retard I'm saying that the chart can be useful now to people even without counting every single enemy they kill in the game. Holy christ what is wrong with you?

>>5727734
>Hey guys, we're the /vr/ board. We recommend playing games authentically whenever possible, and eschewing modern conveniences that make games easier.
>use this cheat sheet that was discovered decades later through decompilation
Absolutely fucking retarded.

>>5727737
>We recommend playing games authentically whenever possible, and eschewing modern conveniences that make games easier.
We don't embrace ignorance you dumb shit.

>>5727737
Not him, but wouldn't talking about any game in a modern time violate that belief?

>>5727738
But you hypocritically embrace speedrunning tactics that were discovered decades after the fact. Also
>we
You don't speak for anyone, faggot.

>>5727741
/vr/ talks about speed running all the time though.
This is a retarded point you're trying to make. Some guy just posted a chart and it somehow became a fucking topic for debate about the morals and beliefs of /vr/.

>>5727739
No. Take a logic course.

>>5727747
>/vr/ talks about speed running all the time though.
They do not, summerfag. At best you get a general that dies after 20 posts.

>>5727126
Fixed

>>5727747
No, they do not. Any speedrunning general dies 20 posts in.

>>5727586
Same, this explains why I couldn't kill darknuts when I played last

>>5727761
Ah shit, I didn't spoiler it. Maybe next time.

>>5727290
Cool table, but I didn't understand at first how to use it as I didn't know how "A" was being used, just that the table divided up enemy drops. That's useful, I'm going to remember that when I get back to my swordless game.

In game maps and quest books were the single greatest thing to happen to jrpgs. This shit is prehistoric and awful.

>>5727801
Git gud

Level 8 and its massive hard-on for rooms full of blue darknuts can fuck off, too.

>>5727801
>it's good
>it's awful
Nice botpost.

>>5727801
What's wrong with it?

>>5727774
Rightfully so. It’s zoomer cancer faggotry.

>>5727982
Okay, but let's be real. Even without the fucking chart, anybody who has ever played this game knows that blue enemies are more likely to drop bombs, right? I made this connection as an eight year old, and I thought it was they're blue and bombs are blue.
We've all noticed this, right?

>>5728068
No. It's literally all fucking random unless you have an autistic register of a computer variable burned into your retarded autistic brain.

>>5728117
Nigga, you seriously didn't notice that blue octos usually drop bombs? Are you retarded?

>>5728125
They don't do it consistently, you fucking retard, so no one could make sense of that, let alone being a fucking eight year old.
>"nigga"
Let it be known that I literally had to jump to a different browser because I block retarded faggots like you who are too afraid to say "nigger."

>>5728139
I'm sorry you were too stupid to notice it.
You gonna report me now, crybaby?

>>5728150
No, I'm just going to call you a retarded summerfaggot who needs to die. Fuck off.

>>5728139
>Let it be known that I literally had to jump to a different browser because I block retarded faggots like you
Anon... are you admitting to evading post filters? You know that's against the rules, right?

>>5728156
>summer
dilate

>>5728167
The jews murdered JFK, bombed the USS Liberty, and bombed the Twin Towers.

>>5728169
based and redpilled

>>5728169
OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN

>>5728169
[user was banned for this post]

This thread took a really unfortunate turn. Can we please get back on topic?

I just want to discuss The Legend Of Zelda.

>>5728274
You already had a 200 post thread about it. It's time to get meta.

What the fuck does the "eastmost peninsula" secret mean?

>>5728274
I never once saw that version of the game for sale on the east coast.

>>5729392
I believe it's a reissue that came out in 1993 when the NES top loader came out, but I could be mistaken. It's slightly rarer than the gold variant, but it's not worth much more. I've seen a few of them in retro shops.

>>5729404
It was reissued in 1992 on a grey cartridge. I'm not sure if it had anything to do with the top loading NES, but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm pretty sure Metroid was also reissued around that same time with different artwork.

>>5729389
Probably that one hidden 'dungeon' on the north east side of the map

>>5729421
It was exactly to do with the top loader. They did reissues of the best-selling games as a sort of "budget" release to go along with the top-loader, which itself was a "budget" option compared to the Super Nintendo at the time.

>>5729579
I think it's a reference to the secret at the top-right of the map, or just an indication that the boss of dungeon 1 was at the far East.

>>5726645
>hear for years the manual is mandatory and contains tons of invaluable information
>OP provides it
>finally get to read it
>it's toddler level stuff like "Press A to use sword"
>some is flat out misinformation
>"The water of life is a medicine that can beat anything." (???)

A step by step guide to how to find levels 1 and 2 is barely useful since anyone who is interested in the game to begin with will go exploring and find these on their own. The map of the overworld that is 75% complete is admittedly helpful, but the world isn't very large to begin with so again, anyone exploring should learn it without needing the map. The hints for levels 7 and 8 are there, as well as letting you know you can burn bushes, but the other 99% of the instructions are unhelpful to anyone but someone who has literally never played a video game before in their lives. Like no joke, one page is literally telling you you can go right from the starter screen. Like, yeah no shit? Who needs to be told this? There is nothing in there about needing bait to get through the Goriya or anything like that so no I don't see this manual as being "essential". It is fun to read through though.

>>5726680
>>5726945
You nigs wouldn't last five minutes in the second quest

>>5729849
I've never actually played the second quest? Is it worth it?

>>5727005
>>5727010
I do the same but I've finished it when I was a kid

>>5729854
Why wouldn't it be?

>>5729854
if you liked the first one, second is definitely worth it. The dungeons are completely different. The order you get items is completely different. Stalfos shoot swords. It basically feels like a game the designers would have made for each other to play.

>>5729884
Sounds awesome. Are all the shops and dungeons and sword upgrades in different locations on the overworld? Will it be like playing the game over again for the first time?

>>5729887
>Are all the shops and dungeons and sword upgrades in different locations on the overworld?
yes
The warp zones are the same but I think that's it. Everything else is in a different place.

>>5729919
Level 1 is still in the same place
[Spoiler]the white sword is actually in the same place as well.[/spoiler]

>>5729919
Level 1 is still in the same place
[Spoilers]the white sword is actually in the same place as well.[/spoilers]

>>5729919
Level 1 is still in the same place
the white sword is actually in the same place as well.

>>5728117
Jesus fucking christ you must be a brainlet if you did not notice that only blue enemies give the blue item, holy mother of fuck please leave this Board and never return

>>5729884
>>5729854
A large change from the first quest is that second quest has no heart containers that are immediately accessible. The whole pacing of the game really changes when you can't stockpile health and items before tackling the dungeons.

>>5730026
Sounds challenging as fuck. I'll have to check it out.

>>5727201
Really fun. I like how new areas only open up as you get more Triforce pieces. The tornados on the mountain path, for example, go away when you’ve acquired enough pieces.

>>5727748
Not him and I don’t really want to add fuel to the fire, but could you explain using logic why his claim is wrong?

>>5726648
Did the original Japanese release include a manual like this or was it just added for the US version? Talking about the FDS original of course.

>>5731440
*a manual with a map, I mean.

>>5731440
I'm pretty sure it was just for the US release.

>>5726785
>I would love to see a Zelda Maker that allows players to create and share custom 2D dungeons, with skins for Zelda 1, ALTTP, LA, and ALBW, similar to how Mario Maker has skins for SMB, SMB3, SMW, etc.

>>5731931
What are you implying?

>>5726645
These generals for specific games remind me of 5ch.

>>5731931
oh you know this is a product that will exist, man of a young age that enjoys the consumption of certain vegetable-based milk replacements. it is just a matter of time.

>>5731442
The Japanese version doesn't come with that large map; just the small-area map to dungeon 2 in the manual. (Same as the one in the English manual)
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/ja/pdf/CLV-P-HAANJ.pdf (Japanese manual page 41)
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/pdf/CLV-P-NAANE.pdf (English manual page 43)

Recently bought the NES version, here I go

>>5732304
Good luck, anon.

>>5732304
It is not possible to buy it, you have been scammed.

>>5731931
It sounds fun. Nobody is forcing you to play it, retard.

>>5729884
last time i tried brainlet me couldn't find level 4

>>5732304
Read the instruction booklet, many times if you need to. Never consult a guide or check something out online, trust me... the game is much better that way.

>>5732304
Boobs.

>>5735732
No it's not. It's way better if you know where to go so you don't spend hours wasting your time feeling frustrated. Follow a walkthrough 100% including all optional content.

>>5736682
don't listen to this fag
If you are legitimately stuck and frustrated just ask here for a hint.

>>5736776
Other than the entrance to the seventh dungeon (which the tree already is suspicious as hell) EVERYTHING is hinted at either by the old men or the instruction booklet.

>>5736976
yes although the someone might not have found all the hints.
The real assumption is that it's fairly rare for people to get honestly frustrated with this game (Q1 anyway) and if they do it's usually because they're having a hard time getting through the Wizrobe rooms in Level-6. But every so often you might wind up with a player that for whatever reason missed something that is obvious to everyone else and a minor nudge in the right direction can resolve their frustration without having to resort to a spoiler guide.

>>5729884
Don't forget rooms that can only be accessed by walking through walls, skull bubbles that permanently disable your sword, and those "leave your money or life" dungeon rooms where you pay 50 rupees or sacrifice a heart container to pass through.

>>5737841
Sounds way more intense than the first quest. I'll have to check it out.

>>5737841
>skull bubbles that permanently disable your sword

What? How do you get your sword back then?

>>5739364
there are 2 different color bubbles. Red ones take your sword. You have to get hit by a blue one to get it back. Commonly it'll be 2 red bubbles in a room and 1 blue. But sometimes the blue ones are in a different room from the reds. The mechanic is introduce with a room full of red bubbles, then you go to the next room and there is a room full of blue ones.

I hate how you have to grind for money in this game if you try to do everything efficiently.

>start game, get the free rupees
>buy candle, blue ring, farm free bombs
>get enough money for arrows and big shield
>buy both bomb upgrades

Now I'm stuck at level 7 and need the bait but I only have 20 rupees left and did all the freebies. The only way was to not buy the big shield (even for 90) but where's the fun in that? So I don't know what to do now, just go kill octoroks for 20 minutes to get money : /

>>5739405
>>5739125
see: >>5739160

>>5739405
Ropes are the real cash crop of the game, don't waste time on fucking octorocks.

>>5739405
kek

>>5739381
Also, any full heal will restore it-- grabbing the Triforce, using a potion, or visiting a fairy pond.

Dungeon 6 is the hardest one. I always save it til last.

Fucking Like Likes always somehow devour my shield.

>>5739575
The blue wizzrobes are the worst. They can move diagonally and fuck your shit right up.

>>5739405
Did you find the 100 rupees on the hidden screen behind the invisible staircase?