/vr/ - Retro Games

When was the last time you guys saw snow?

>>5691480
When I tried tuning into the famicom RF not too long ago, I guess.

>>5691480
I see snow whenever I hit a channel button on my tv remote instead of volume, since my tv has an analog tuner. So sometime in the past few weeks probably.

>>5691480
Today, my CRT starts in analog reception mode

Are there any good HDMI to scart/RGB converters? I have two from Aliexpress but they introduce noise, weird colors and random input lag at each startup. The lag thing is the most annoying as I'm trying to play Hatsune Miku...

>>5691760
Probably not. Better question is why are you playing migu on a CRT?

>>5691480
all the time anon. a lot of us play games on tvs as it should be.

Are PVMs still a meme?

>>5691985
Is a fool and his money still easily parted?

>>5691781
Because I own no other TV besides my CRT...

>>5692221
you can get a TV from savers for like 60 bucks it would probably be as expensive as a good RGB converter

>>5691985
I jsut recently sold a 14in one to a guy who showed me his collection, 6-7 HD CRT Trinitrons, two multiformats, 3 Profeel monitors, and 5 other 19-20in monitors. I sold it for market too so it wasn't like he was a flipper, I think guy was just obsessed.

>>5690823
nice train picture, but why would you use cm?

>>5692467
nice set

Hooked up composite into my extron which takes component. Video is black and white. Any not complicated solution to this? I plugged the cable into Y(green).

>>5692467
not him but max precision. you should take more pics of that setup if you're the guy who owns it. i've seen that pic a few times and it's really nice.

Finally got 240p test suite running.

I’m new to working in the service menu, what options should I mess with to fix the geometry on this set?

>>5692993
Honestly looks good enough, maybe try playing the games for a change.

>>5693231
don't be an asswipe to this guy.

>>5692993
pincushion, vertical size, vertical position

Is there a way to make a RF signal clearer? I got a Intellivision but the signal is worse than another Intellivision I had.

>>5692718
>Any not complicated solution to this?
Yeah, stop doing the wrong thing.

>>5693991
RF and composite are heavily dependent on the comb filter quality of your TV. Other than that, since it's RF, you can try to reduce RF interference in your cabling.

so im doing more research on how to get rgb on the snes and im kind of confused about stuff like scart? can anyone help me out? do i need to buy a scart to rgb converter for my trinitron or do i need to mod something?

>>5694109
Wat. Are you in burgerland?

>>5692392
Yeah I'll look around then

>>5694124
yes

>>5694165
What ports does your CRT have?

>>5694080
I used the same tv and cable but for some reason the 2nd intellivision i have gives a really bad signal. It's not even in color.

>>5694243
you need to recap(replace capacitors) it

Is a sony trinitron flat but square CRT with component input a good TV to buy?

I just found a listing for $40 and thought I might pick it up for my retro consoles and wii? It looks about 24"

>>5694109
Unironically watch my life in gaming rgb series on YouTube.

>>5694762
$40 seems a bit much. It should be OK tho.

>>5694762
careful with the smaller wegas, they sometimes don't have s-video. got a pic of it?

Polishing anon >>5682681 here. I just got a notification that the cerium oxide powder I ordered was delivered. I built a jig to hold it steady, and I've bought a plastic drop cloth and tape. Hopefully I'll be able to post results tomorrow.

>>5695049
fingers crossed that it goes well.

>>5695056
Thanks, me too. The general consensus among amateur CRT communities online is that you should never try to remove a scratch on a tube because you're only going to make it worse, but that doesn't sit quite right with me. I could see that being true if there's a decent chunk of glass missing, but I'm confident that hairline scratches (small enough that you can't feel them with your fingernail) are fixable. I get the feeling that this opinion only came about because people tend to half-ass things, and it's when you half-ass things that mistakes happen. That's why I'm trying to do everything right as far as securing it, using CeO2 from a good source, using a proper rotary buffer instead of a foam drill attachment, etc.

If it all goes well, the next hardest part will be finding a new computer desk large (and deep) enough to accommodate it.

>>5695095
i think a big reason people will tell you not to do this is because pc monitors and pro monitors have anti-glare coatings or a film. in that case you'd not want to do it unless you plan to polish the entire coating off or just remove the film. but in the case of an average tv i can't see why polishing the glass wouldn't work.

try to take a video or something if you can.

>>5695101
This is a PC monitor, and I already removed the antiglare coating using an abrasive cleanser because the coating itself was damaged.
Pic related is from when I first got the monitor, showing the damaged antiglare coating.

>>5691985
Yes. A PC monitor plus something like an OSSC is about the same price and will give similar results.

In a CRT Projector there are three separate small CRTs which each project a red, green, or blue image. These CRTs have a very high cd/m2 (nits brightness) rating compared to your average CRT and you should not look directly at one while it is in operation without strong sunglasses.

There are also informal DIY CRT projectors which use fresnel lenses taken from overhead projectors to enlarge the image. These have a drawback of having a very low lumen rating because only the light from the normal television is being scattered across a much larger area. They are also very hazy and only have good focus in the center of the image. And they are hard to set up and focus.

But... what would happen if one took one of the lenses from one of the best CRT projectors ever made, such as the 9" Barco units, and paired it up with a 9" color CRT monitor instead of the dedicated projector CRT?

The first thing I would expect is a massive loss in luminosity. BUT fresnel lens projectors have achieved acceptable brightness levels in completely darkened rooms. I would expect the light transmission rating of a pro lens to color CRT mating would be much better than the average fresnel lens set-up.

I -think- this is something here. I don't see any particular reason why it should not work, and if it does work it would be a way to have a *huge* (as in 40-60" before brightness becomes unacceptable even in a dark room) CRT which is actually somewhat portable, or at least much easier to get into smaller spaces. And it would have one massive advantage over traditional CRT projectors: no need for convergence.

>>5695485
>But... what would happen if one took one of the lenses from one of the best CRT projectors ever made, such as the 9" Barco units, and paired it up with a 9" color CRT monitor instead of the dedicated projector CRT?

you'd have an sd projector that's super dark. keep in mind you need to flip and reverse the image.

just picked up a trinitron KV-20TS30 for free off craigslist. Picture looks pretty good but it makes a god awful high pitched squeal, beyond the normal ambient noise a crt usually makes. anyone have any suggestions of what I should check out if I open it up? Haven't had much luck with google.

>>5695152
Could I ask what abrasive cleaner? I've gone up to mineral spirits and it's still a bitch of a time rubbing off

>>5695770
Flyback transformer maybe. Granted I don't really know anything about CRTs. It's probably not something you can fix.
I had a TV that had a bad high pitch squeal but it went away on it's own. It was only there until it heated up anyway. It had it when I got it (used), and I didn't use it for months (maybe even years). Went to test it again and it was gone, so who knows what that was about..

Can I just get a second GPU to output S-Video directly or would that result in bad quality? I've read that a VGA to S-Video converter might improve it

>>5696836
No. Don't do any of this autism. Get an RGB monitor. Scart/ypbpr/bnc,etc. Then turn your vga into that.

'svideo' from a gpu is not what you think it is. The "tv" jack on older gpus is not what you want.

>>5696750
This might be the same problem then. The previous owner had been keeping it in a box in his garage for the last 15 ish years. I'll try letting it warm up some more.

>>5695770
Touch the case, does it stop? If so, you need a very soft foam rubber washer between where the flyback screws to the case. I ended up using a toilet bowl to tank seal cut to size. I'm guessing it's harmonic resonance amplified by the shape of the case. I had this happen on a trinitron, forget the model.

>>5690008
>Do keep things /vr/. Not just "related"
FTFY faggot

Anyone from aus selling a decent pc crt? Looking to buy

>>5696996
have some non /vr/ content you pissy little baby

>>5696996

>>5696229
It's something meant for cleaning glass stove tops, I don't remember what brand I used. It does a good job, my advice is just to ONLY use it to remove the coating and then stop. My mistake was trying to continue using it to polish out a single hairline scratch and I ended up with a bunch of microscratches -- I thought it was finer than it was. 90% of the screen looked great afterwards, though. Again, just don't rub in any location for longer than it takes to just get the coating off.
I can check what brand it was when I get home, if you like.
Also, to the anon that asked to see results: my friend that owns the rotary buffer wasn't feeling well this morning, so we'll probably have to postpone it. Anyway, whenever it ends up happening, I'll post here.

Does anyone know when Sony started adding service menus to Trinitrons? I have 2 of these '87 Trinitrons but can't figure out how to get into the service menu. I've tried both code with no luck..

My 1990 XBR has the service menu button on the back, but there 87s don't.

>>5698268
Yeah you might be out of luck. I had a smaller model that looked like that, with those buttons on the front, and a little LED down there to show channel number. Without any OSD, there's a vanishing chance the set needed RGB inputs on the jungle.

>>5698376
Oh no, there is an OSD on these models.

>>5697542
>>5697549

>Quest for perfect RGB leads me to selling my SCART CRT to some retard who paid big for it and ending up building a high-end PC for emulation
>Kinda miss the enjoyable aesthetic of using a CRT for older games rather than emulating
What have I done bros

>>5694762
yes

>>5698398
Hmmm, in that case i have no idea :) I know i have some non-sony sets with an OSD that have most of the control adjustments still as pots inside the set. I reckon there's a good chance that's what you'll be looking at.

Is it easier to get rid of yellowing on a white CRT or black grease marks on a white CRT? Can yellowing even be removed at all? Thanks in advance for the answer.

>>5700069
look up retrobright

Got a pc crt. Aoc 9klr. Running fusion with scan lines. Looks like a million bucks.

Got this small prima tv as a gift, got huge speakers on the sides, 13.5" screen but with the speakers and whatnot it's more like 22"
Great tv so far

>>5691985
Maybe for the exorbitant prices they go for now but they're honestly great CRTs. Not only the best BVMs or PVMs either, most of them shits on 95% of consumer TVs in terms of image quality. The only drawback except the price is that they tend to be small, so they're typically no good for setups in big rooms. If you can find one for a reasonable price and don't need everything in a big room you shouldn't pass it up.

>>5695332
>upscaling with OSSC on a 31khz PC CRT monitor rather than displaying the original resolution natively on a SD PVM/BVM
>implying PC CRT monitors are as good as PVMs
PVMs didn't cost an arm and a leg for nothing. I bought one run of the mill model that last was serviced in 2004. It has many hours on it but still has an excellent picture and I haven't had to do any maintenance. All consumer CRT TVs I've had bit the dust after some years of use. I have a run of the mill PC CRT monitor too and while it does work it isn't even close in terms of image quality. The PVM is a workhorse even after 15 years since the last service.

>>5701245
in my experience decent consumer TVs never die, but PC monitor CRTs always die

>>5701291
early 2000s IT manager here
word

>>5691480
a few days ago at a convention, turned on a CRT i was going to plug into and then saw it was RF only and turned it right back off.

>>5697549
which console is this?

Are RCA's good sets?

My XBR has a probably with its picture when I use svideo and component. Any time bright colours like yellow appears the screen dims. Does anyone know how to fix

>>5701917
Thomsons, yes

>>5701748
Dolphin on pc running at 1600x1200

Klonoa and Pokemon Yellow were my first games.

I still have a physical copy of Klonoa, that game is underrated as hell.

Well no luck eliminating the noise coming from my tv so far but the picture is looking good. I found a local appliance place that does repairs so I'm going to see what their rates are.

>>5702994
they're going to refuse

>>5698698

Where did you sell it? SCART CRTs are cheap here and i'd like to get rich quick thx

Could someone help me understand what type of rgb sync I need in a simple way? My pvm usually used an external sync through just one yellow bnc connector. What type of sync is that?

>>5703047
Even though they specifically list CRT repair on their website?

>>5703156
probably composite video as sync
as opposed to composite sync, which is different
I used to run my genesis using composite as sync, but then I built a sync stripper and now it looks cleaner

>>5690823
What's this train simulator called....

also, i still cannot get the service menu on my kv27fs120 up and working. someone p[lease help my family is dying

>>5703190
Yes. Some dumb kid parroting memes on the internet means more than what actually happens IRL.

>>5703649
Game series is Densha de Go, it's even popular enough to have its own line of specialized controllers
I hope you are a bad enough dude to rescue your family

My search for a 32" or 36" Sony XBR has come to a complete dead end. I think I'm going to go ahead and take the plunge from trinny elitism and nab a 32" JVC D-Series. Can someone please upload some nice shots of D-Series in action to convince me?

>>5703156
csync, luma as sync or composite as sync will all work fine on most PVMs, doesn't really matter which. csync or luma as sync can be a bit nicer for less interference if you're using poorly shielded cables, and some broadcast gear like extron switch boxes may need csync.

>>5703507
I generally just buy whatever retro rgb suggests or what is suggested to me here. IDK off the top of my head if that typically comes with a built in sync stripper.

>>5704263
Ah okay so if I have the option to get csync I should get it, but with a pvm they all should work and do fine assuming they are well shielded?

>>5704108
here's an AV-32D303 using S-Video, best set I've ever owned

>>5694075
ok so tell me what the right thing is to do

When did PC monitors stop supporting 320x200?
Finding a PC CRT is hard enough where I am, let alone one that syncs to 15 khz.

>>5698268
Looks like you're gonna have to crack it open and turn some pots.

>>5706569
When VGA started arriving, late 80s. CGA/EGA monitors are generally digital RGBI / RrGgBb input not analogue anyway so not that useful for muh vidya consoles.

When VGA came in the cards did line doubling for 320x200 and all the other 15/23kHz modes turning them into 640x400 and similar, along with switching to analogue RGB, so the monitors went 31+kHz only too..

>>5706779
This is for DOS games, btw. But yeah, this is about what I could find out as well. I suppose an early 90s VGA monitor would be the best way to go. I guess I played on an IBM 85xx back in the day.
Until I find one (which I probably won't) I'm trying to set up my modern CRT the best that I can. Modelines are hard to understand for a dumbdumb though.

>>5706796
I managed to set up DOSBOX to not completely fuck up everything and actually run in 640x400 and I got my monitor set up at 640x400@70hz. It doesn't look amazing but I guess it's passable. Worst part is the custom nvidia resolution disappears after you switch to a different one...

>>5706971
time to get a pentium 3 shitbox :)

Picking these up tomorrow

Stop paying for PVMs. You can literally get them for free

>>5707552
Lucky you. Do you know what that CRT on the bench is, and if it came with the rest of the monitors?

>>5707552
i dont live in california

>>5706661
I wouldn't mind doing this actually. I've been looking for a good reason so see what kind of grossness I find in there.

>>5707689

This is New York

>>5707906
What fucking rochester new york? any bozo in teh fucking city will look up what these go for and sell them on craigslist immediately for 400 dollars. i got lucky with 3 bvms a few years back and got them all for 50 bucks

>>5708217

I'm from Suffolk County. This lot I'm picking up is in Nassau, maybe 20 minutes from the city.

This is the second lot I'm picking up in the past year.

Admittedly, this was a lead I was working on for 5 months now, but considering they're fresh, it's worth it.

>>5708345
hey that's cool man, i gave up on looking for pvm/bvms in the city maybe a year ago. and def don't care enough to have leads. i just used to scour craigslist and selling apps for people selling this shit for cheap. i've basically surrended to the fac tthat unless its a 36 inch monitor idgaf. i have my 36 inch consumer set and i'm sticking with it

>>5708345
I'll buy one for a non-jewish price.

>>5708442
but then he'd have x-1 crts to climb over to get to the bathroom instead of x crts

So have ya'll figured out how good PC monitors are yet?

>>5708823
Yes/no, I don't know. What do you mean?

>>5708823
people only want to play their nintendos and you cant do that on a vga monitor without an expensive scaler. anyone with half a fucking brain knows what a vga monitor is good for.

Are component cables always retardedly expensive and uncommon? No s-video ports on either teli. Thinking I'm gonna have to buy a scart to component converter but I really don't wanna drop that money

>>5707552
How did you come across these? Just email every film/editing studio and security firm in the area or are there some dark arts at work here that im not grasping?

hey people
this is my old childhood tv, recently i tried to fix some geometry settings but ended up with this, the left side looks good but the right side have some weird jags in the top right corner of the cubes

>>5698698
absolutely degenerate

>>5710385
that's normal, long white line will pull down high voltage a bit so the next lines will be a little shorter so you get the bit of a wiggle

>>5710442
so that's not the cause for this fucked up grey box

>>5710471
similar thing going on there. muh recapping everything could help a bit

>>5709852
for what system? gamecube one is meme because it's really a digital to analogue converter in the gamecube end. and because zoomers.
Most systems that have component built in are reasonably cheap but note the ebay ones may be badly shielded.
Things like the HD Retrovision ones are RGB to component converter in the cable.
SCART to component converter is only 50 burgerbux

I'll just say what everyone's thinking, S-video is the ideal video signal. Not retardedly blurry and none of the shimmer you get with composite, and not the HD-like sharpness of component signals that completely destroys the dithering and other pixel bleeding effects intended by the developers.

Well chums, I got my new home cinema set up going.

Gear
>Epson Powerlite 730c
>100" pull-up projection screen - matte white 1.1 gain

Very sharp, but I have to tell you the contrast is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the image that I got with my NEC CRT projector on my shitty improvised screen without any kind of controlled lighting. The NEC absolutely blew it away, even though I had trouble getting convergence and focus set up correctly (and the truth be told I know that I was just trying to use it from too close of a throw distance and too high a resolution expectation).

Of course, I knew this would happen from the very beginning since this is just an old 400:1 contrast ratio LCD projector. 1900 ANSI lumens and 2:1 zoom range so that makes it pretty flexible to set up anywhere.

BUT I don't plan on using it much because the contrast ratio is just everything.

You guys want to be blown away and you have the space I recommend going and getting one of those goliaths from NEC or Sony, but know what you are getting into.

No photos because it is entirely pointless. Please accept this image of Britney Spears instead.

>>5709387
>expensive
come on now, it's less than the cost of a new PS4

If only this PVM had component or even just somewhere to dump a scart in.

>>5711058
See >>5710828

>>5710828
t. doesn't know nothing about nothing
t. never played arcade games with RGB monitors

>>5711065
So jump on it?
I'm Europoor if that makes a difference, guy isn't asking ridiculous prices.

>>5711101
How much?

>>5711107
100 euros, they're about 250 online from what I can tell.

>>5711117
Model sticker

>>5711117
I'd pass. In yuroland you've got an abundance of aregeebee consumer stuff to try, and 600TVL really isn't that extreme, higher end bigger consumer stuff gets close.

>>5711117
I would just get a regular TV with scart if you don't have one already.

>>5711183
>>5711186
So just a regular consumer Trinitron?

>>5710903
It's all good anon. I use an Epson projector and a OSSC to play all my games. Shh. CRT's aren't the be all end all.

>>5711209
sure, don't ignore other brands though

>>5711259
Thanks anon, I'll be on the lookout.

>>5710471
sorry i went to bed, what is recapping?
resoldering all transistors?

>>5711295
replacing capacitors

>>5710539
Mainly looking for RGB out of snes/saturn/genesis. It's just that the cheapest converter I could find is 63 plus 13 shipping (canada), and on top of that the cables I could find with a quality reputation behind them tend to be 15-35. It just adds up a bit in total.

>>5708403
>>5707552
How do you even get the contacts? Do you just email broadcast related comapnies or?

>>5711302
is there any way I can see which capacitor is broken or is it just a guessing game?

>>5711524
if it's bulgy wulgy it's bad, you can pull some out and test on an ESR meter, but the usual way is just the shotgun approach around any section that you think might have issues

>>5711526
anything I should think about? (discharging the monitor and such)

>>5711547
Should discharge anode and I'd wait at least an hour for power supply sections to discharge after it's unplugged before you start poking things.

>>5711548
alright, I'll open up and check later then.
thanks man

>>5711456

Yep. There may even be a wikipedia page with a list if all the broadcast companies in your county.

I picked the 8 pvm lot up from Public Access television.

>>5708546

These are actually going towards an RGB exhibit. I'm an event coordinator for Long Island Retro Gaming Expo.

I may keep one for myself, though.

>>5711084
Arcade games were developed with RGB in mind. Your NES wasn't.

>>5711550
And anon was never heard from again.

>>5711992
No shit?

Why are you blowing the fuck out of your own "point" about s-video?

And to bring up the NES as your go-to system tells us all exactly what you are.

>>5711959

Any particular position or department to get a hold of?

>>5692785
Sorry for abandoning this thread, I'll get around to posting some new pics tonight. I got a PC crt so that will look nice. In the meantime, have another picture.

So I fell for the peer pressure and for a CRT
What’s the best way to hook up a PC to it? I have tons of emulator and would rather not have to build up a physical collection if possible
Or is that a fools errand?

>>5713010
what kind of crt? you're being kind of vague.

>>5711959
What do you email them?
I’m looking for PVMs gimmie?

>>5713016
A Toshiba 24AF42

>>5713021
ah, that's a good set but hooking it up to a pc isn't very straightforward. you should probably just get a wii and softmod it if you want some relatively easy. otherwise you could get a vga>ypbpr transcoder if you have a maxwell or older nvidia card, or do crt_emudriver if you have a compatible radeon.

>>5713029
Thanks for the help
Stupid question but does PC98 look good with a consumer set? They usually came with monitors I think, not hooked up to TVs

>>5713037
i don't know much about the pc-98, sorry. it would really depend on the video signal it outputs and the resolutions it supports. i'd imagine it's one of those PCs that supports both SD and VGA resolutions and would be best paired with a true multisync monitor.

>>5713037
PC-98 series's standard output is slightly below VGA 640x400@60Hz, not compatible with either TVs or most VGA monitors you can find outside japan unless you go through some kind of scaler.

>>5713049
Man this is a bloody deep rabbit hole isn’t it
Seems PC98 is a whole other thing to worry about

>>5713058
Yep, unless you want to go super weeb and import a bunch of real hardware you're better off just emulating on PC monitor where you can either letterbox to 640x480 or bump refresh rate up to 70Hz for easy compatibility.

>>5694075
>>5706368
Nice thanks a lot you fucking sack of shit waste of space

>>5692718
plug the output into something that takes composite. The extron switch doesn't convert anything for you

>>5713293
https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3008/~/unable-to-locate-a-yellow-video-input-on-the-tv

>>5713323
That's only for recent TVs which do a combo component+composite input sharing the Y/composite jack.

>>5713338
My TV has the weirdest inputs I've seen so far, pic related.
I've never used them tho, I connected my ps2 to it to test them but that's about it.

>>5713763
Yea a lot of newer tvs substitute for multiouts like your pic related. You're supposed to be able to use composite yellow with the green of component and get a regular picture not black and white.

I got a cheap “old skill” brand HDMI to Composite box, how garbage is the video quality?
I got it before I read up on crt_emulator and I’m wondering if I got completely ripped off

>>5713793
Yeah, I've noticed as much, there pretty well color coded so as to avoid confusion.

>>5713803
you're the one that got it, you tell us

I've come into the posession of an arcade monitor, and I want to build a cabinet and emulate games @15 kHz. I use a VGA output on my graphics card to do it now with my FW-900, but I'd rather avoid moving my PC back and forth.

What's the best option? Wii, PS3, RaspberryPi (with an RGB output somehow)? All I need to play is 70s/80s MAME roms and NES/SNES games. I'm even considering getting a thrift store laptop with a VGA output, but that seems overly complicated.

>>5714389
The correct choice is a desktop PC with a GPU which an output native 15 khz video. You'll want to research CRT emu driver or your options with Nvidia such as soft 15khz.

Raspberry Pi is a meme, avoid it. Wii is too limited as well. PS3 is an even worse choice. Thrift store laptop very likely will not work either.

Just get a desktop PC and the right graphics card.

>>5713010
>>5713021
>>5713016
>>5713029

>Toshiba 24AF42

Hi, /CRT/, I need advice. The CRT TV I have (pic related) is the same or similar to this anon, and I want to connect it to my PC for emulation. It has Component, S-Video, and Composite inputs. My GPU is an R9 380X (HDMI, DP, DVI-D, and DVI-I outputs) that apparently supports CRT Emudriver.

With the inputs/outputs that I have to work with, does anyone know exactly what I'd need to buy to connect my PC to my CRT TV? A converter? Just a cable?

If it's really not worth it or is too much of a headache, then I guess I'll just give up on the idea. I know the Wii is an alternative, but it seems a little more limited than I'd like. I'll have to go with it if I have no choice though.

>>5714389
what about an ebay laptop with an nvidia gpu, a vga out, and a reasonable single-threaded score? It'd be significantly cheaper than building a pc just for emulating NES games.

>>5715172
how much do you care about color/picture quality? Because if you really don't care, you could just use an HDMI-Composite converter from ebay for like $15

>>5715667
fuck meant to reply to >>5714931

>>5706779
>line doubling
disgusting

>>5713029
>2019
>Still recommending a fucking Wii
Just stop.
A cheap raspberry Pi will be much better.

>>5715667
You'll want to emulate more than NES, trust me.

>>5715805
What the devs intended, except for cga/ega games.

You must get this question a lot, but I’ll ask anyway.

Are CRT filters for PC emulators decent enough? I would love to have a dedicated CRT monitor and I have considered buying a cheap one through my equivalent of Craigslist. On the other hand, I will be moving to a somewhat small apartment and I don’t think I can get a decent place to put it.

Thanks in advance. Pic unrelated.

>>5715975
I hear CRT Royale is decent at 4K but I'd make some room for a monitor

>>5715817
It's substantially easier to use a Wii with a CRT right out of the box (especially if you plan on using component), and it'll run just about everything the brand new Raspberry Pi can and then some.

>>5708141
Nice storage drive attachment mod on your Wii

>>5716105
Thanks, anon!

>>5716172
If you get the monitor I recommend a Tendak converter

>>5716121
>It's substantially easier to use a Wii with a CRT right out of the box (especially if you plan on using component), and it'll run just about everything the brand new Raspberry Pi can and then some.
After it is all said and done, autists sperg about the Wii not running PSX/Saturn. To each their own. A computer will run Emulation better than a wii/pi any day of the week however.

I use a wii. Because I already had one, and only was interested in quality 8-16 bit emulation directly to my CRT tv. It is only a bonus that there is VC games including the N64. This means that the Wii is capable of playing games from every generation of Nintendo in some fashion or another. After all costs are calculated, a Wii & Pi will cost about the same, even if you buy used.

Would I use a Pi for gaming emulation? Fuck no. I have used a few of them in the past, and was not impressed at all. However, if someone uses a Pi and it works for them, that is great.

>>5716757
Pi won't run gamecube and wii so really it comes down to what you want out of it. But I hear psx and saturn emulation on a pi is not good.

>>5716128
one of these days i'll upgrade to velcro tape but the rubber bands have worked for more than a year.

>>5715975
>Are CRT filters for PC emulators decent enough?
With the right set-up they are incredible looking. But you need a monitor with a high level of brightness and a fast response time.

>>5716105
1600x1200 or 1920x1080 is plenty enough. The big obstacle is the loss in overall brightness and the blurriness that is inherent to lower-quality LCD monitors. Contrast ratio doesn't actually matter as much as it is often talked about when it comes to video games. 1000:1 is fine.

Are smaller CRTs better? I've got two PC CRTs, one a Dell P992, another a Dell P1130, both on 1600x1200 at 85hz. For some reason though, the Dell P992 looks better in nearly every way, being sharper and having more vibrant colors. Is this due to configurations, or is it inherent to the CRT?

>>5717203
>Contrast ratio doesn't actually matter as much as it is often talked about when it comes to video games.
Let me hear the justification for this. Can't wait. Inb4 it's something retarded like a lot of retro games being bright.

>>5717350
Nah you seem like a jerk that wouldn't accept any explanation

>>5716757
>>5716849
This is why I feel like a PS3 + Wii is probably the ultimate combo if you're doing a 100% emulation setup and don't plan on using a PC.

>>5717579
add ps2 and xbox to that and you're right.

>>5717867
is this post satire?

>>5716757
Fellow Wii user here.
I bought mine used for 20€
And I can say that I'm very pleased with it.
As you said it can emulate or play natively multiple Nintendo generations.
It can output to a CRT.
The lack of PSX doesn't bother me since I have one anyway.
As for Sega, the megadrive is all I ever cared for and I've got one too.

If fellow anons there looking to buy an emulation device to cover all your needs then get a PC. The Pi is underpowered and so is the Wii and won't cover everything you might need.

>>5717556
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Mr. low contrast.

What's the difference between the SDI input adapters for PVM's? Is the HD SDI input adapter the only useable one for modern tech?

>>5718685
Original SDI = 480i/576i, HD-SDI = 720p/1080i, the kinda rare ED-SDI = 480p/576p. Then for newer stuff dual link HD-SDI or 3G-SDI = 1080p or full colour res 720p/1080i, and on to 6G, 12G and multiples of those for even higher.

>>5717263
The P992 is just a particularly excellent CRT. I use a P990 and it's just a fantastic monitor, going toe to toe with my FW900 in most ways.

Hello friends,

so I spend the best part of today lugging this beauty around, it's a CVM-1850. I had started to believe this model did not even exist as I had only ever seen the smaller 13 inch and larger 22 inch variants for sale.

The unit itself is in pretty good condition and still functional, the geometry is mostly fine - which is pretty amazing for a 42 year old TV which has apparently never been recapped.

However, when testing it, I couldn't get an NTSC signal to work in color, it only showed up in b/w. PAL worked fine. I know for a fact that this model supports NTSC, it says so in the original manual I got with it and even has a "hue" dial hidden behind one of the little doors.

What could be the problem here? Could it be a problem with the built-in signal auto-detection and switching? Or something with the NTSC circuitry itself? How should I proceed?

>>5690008
noob here. is this a decent crt for gaming?

Did American TVs even have a real way to connect RGB?

>>5698698
Look for another one on the cheap and repeat the process again. I'm on about my fifth cycle of doing this.

>>5719480
Yes, it's quite nice.

>>5719687
YPbPr aka component video is a type of RGB, and the results are visually indistinguishable in most cases.

Then there are the numerous RGB CGA monitors floating about that while not being televisions, still support 15khz video. And of course the famous production monitors from Sony, JVC, Mitsubishi, and NEC.

Arcade monitors were RGB for the most part.

AND since you have only said RGB and not 240p it must be mentioned that all VGA monitors are RGB.

This idea that "Americans didn't get RBB" is hogwash.

>>5719220
Have you tried multiple video sources?

>>5719770
>>This idea that "Americans didn't get RBB" is hogwash.
Sure it existed in professional settings, what I meant was on general consumer CRT TVs.

>>5719775
By the mid 90s it wasnt weird to have component on a nice TV.

Maybe eurofags over estimate how much of their scart shit is rgb. Scart also supports composite and svideo. Is it rgb-scart or composite-scart or svideo-scart?

>>5719775
Component televisions were around for years in the /vr/ era. You are making the mistake of not specifying your time period or thinking history stopped in 1993.

>>5719789
Afaik all TVs with scart had to have at least one port that supported RGB.

>>5719775
>professional settings
and arcades
and every desktop PC monitor

>>5719796
My quation was "Did American TVs even have a real way to connect RGB?", not "Do burgers even know what RBG is?"

>>5706368
What's the model of your extron?

>>5719770
>Then there are the numerous RGB CGA monitors floating about that while not being televisions, still support 15khz video.
CGA monitors are TTL RGBiHV, though. Technically it's RGB, but the signalling doesn't have anything to do and is completely incompatible with regular RGBS signals.
>AND since you have only said RGB and not 240p it must be mentioned that all VGA monitors are RGB.
He specifically mentioned TVs. Since we're in a thread about CRTs, I'm assuming he meant CRT TVs. Are there any multisync CRT TVs (TV meaning it must have a tuner)?
>>5719789
>Maybe eurofags over estimate how much of their scart shit is rgb.
All TVs with SCART were mandated to accept RGB on at least one of the connections. This was until 2015, so even LCDs with SCART accept 15KHz RGBS.

>>5719220
Well first you gotta check to see if there's any internal damage. It should be obvious, check for issues with any ntsc decoding circuitry, measure them out with a multimeter, check for other failed components. Something that's 40 years old is bound to have some small issues that need some love and attention.

>>5719802
Your "quation" was stupid and easily googled. The answer you got filled in what google would not tell you at a glance.

>>5719687
i posted a set earlier in the thread which is an rgb tv.
>>5708141

>>5719820
>CGA monitors are TTL RGBiHV, though. Technically it's RGB, but the signalling doesn't have anything to do and is completely incompatible with regular RGBS signals.

They are CGA monitors, but you don't have to use CGA with them. You can feed them plain 15khz RGB and it will work (sometimes).

And really I was thinking of monitors like the Commodore 1084 which are not CGA monitors, but instead designated "Color Monitor". That is my mistake.

>>5719916
>You can feed them plain 15khz RGB and it will work (sometimes).
No, it won't work, since "plain 15KHz RGB" uses a composite signal and CGA has separate H/V sync. Some cheaper monitors with improper circuitry feed the TTL signals straight into the RGB amps, those can sort of work if you use a sync separator. But proper CGA monitors (See: IBM 5153) won't work at all when fed such a signal, even with separate sync.
>And really I was thinking of monitors like the Commodore 1084
Which doesn't have a TV tuner, and thus isn't a TV set. Yes, you could plug a TV tuner into it, but that still doesn't make it a TV.
By the way, a better example would be the Amstrad CTM-664, which can take both RGBIS TTL and RGBS signals by tying the intensity pin to 5V, albeit it can't take CGA without a sync mixer. Well, and it's not American. and while we're at it, it's a piece of shit.

>>5719480
The only opinion you should give a fuck about is your own. Do you like it? If so then it's fine

>>5719946
>"plain 15KHz RGB" uses a composite signal and CGA has separate H/V sync.
You just feed RGBHV into it (in 2019 most likely from a PC), no sync separator necessary.

When I say plain RGB I mean RGBHV. RGB with composite sync would be an exotic RGB form imo.

>>5719963
>RGB with composite sync would be an exotic RGB form imo
For Americans it is.

>>5719770
RGB is a type of component, YPbPr is not a type of RGB. Although they are pretty easily converted.

Can someone help me figure out which cable to get for the original xbox? I'm plugging it into my multiformat pvm so it can go up to 1080i, but I can't seem to get a clear answer on what would be best. The only options I've found are component cables, component through scart, and rgb through scart. Xbox model number is 1.1, but I'm not beyond hunting down a 1.6 if that helps.

>>5720163
component is literally the only option. RGB scart can only do 480i.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/dell-m780-and-supported-resolutions.891477/

just necro'd the fuck out of a CRT post from 2002 like a sir

>>5720212
Is that any component or does it have to be the cables. Or rather not on the scart cable.

Hey /crt/. Complete newbie to this whole thing here, took a look at the pastebin. I have an old, 13 inch duraband crt I got for free off of a friend’s hands who had no use for it anymore. DWT1304 is the model number. How exactly do I opperate this thing? I can’t switch the video input off the face buttons, will I need a universal remote? Or do I have to do something else entirely?

>>5720240
jeez dude

>>5720245
Please excuse my stupidity

>>5720163
After trying out several brands, for me, Tomee ones are by far the best for the price. If you've got the cash monster ones or official Microsoft ones are the best.

>>5720229
wtf do you even mean. ypbpr cables plugged into bnc adapters on your pvm. where the hell does scart come into this at all? you're using a pvm not a european tv.

>>5720256
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/xbox/XBOX-original-YPbPr-component-video-SCART-Cable-for-use-on-OSSC-Open-Source-Scan-Conveter

>>5720253
I keep hearing there is noise in them or something. Have you noticed any?

>>5720248
you have to be at least 18 to use 4chan. how do you really not know how a TV works
>uhh there are buttons on the TV but they don't do what I want... do I need... a remote I think? Fuck man I didn't have TVs growing up, only iPad

>>5720259
don't buy that meme shit. just buy some monster brand or microsoft component cables

>>5720267
I didn’t word that correctly, apologies. I’ll start posting again when I have an idea what the fuck I’m doing

>>5720273
Okay, what I meant to say is that I had no way of switching the video input from the face buttons on the tv. Tried flipping through all the channel to find a “video” one, no luck. I guess I’ll iust have to find the remote to this thing

>>5720324
if you have a cable box or surround sound receiver remote those are almost always a universal remote. just look up the codes for the specific remote and program it for the tv.

>>5720253
>>5720259
>paying retard tax for cables
Lmoa, just make your own.

How big of a loss is a mono only tv? Can someone recommend external surround speakers?

>>5721284
just buy a home theater receiver and some speakers to go with it.

>>5721284
>Can someone recommend external surround speakers?
Sure. How much do you want to spend? $2k? $10k?

I've got a little pvm 5041q with severe geometry issues among other things, any idea how could fix it?

>>5721460
I thought bad geometry was just having minor waving with scrolling stuff, or slightly droopy corners..
Have you tried adjusting it?

>>5721460
try going into the service menu

>>5721460
With geometry this bad, I'd personally sell it to a bandwaggoner who knew no better.

>>5719774
So far I've only tested it with a modded Wii and the 240p test suite (emulated the SNES version so I could quickly switch between PAL/NTSC). I figured It could have to do with the Wiis composite signal, I'll try something else. But My suspicion is that there might be something wrong with the auto detection/auto switching.

>>5719825
I do own a soldering iron, but I'm an electronics brainlet and have never used it. I knew this day would come sooner or later. I won't be using it on my new tube anytime soon unless I know what I'm doing and got some practice first. I know that this will take time, but I've got patience. Any tips on getting started (besides buying a multimeter)?

How should I discharge a CRT?

>>5721760
Leave it uplugged for a few days if you are nervous, this is a good prevention step. Create a long screwdriver with a wire attached to it. Ground the wire and stick the screwdriver under the back of the suction cup on the TV. It should be discharged after this.

>>5721847
What about the other parts that are on the main board, will the capacitors be discharged? I need to replace an exploded capacitor and will have to unplug basically everything to reach it

>>5721760
secure a nice thick cables copper to a long flat head, introduce it to the center of a probe, wiggle the probe out and then tickle around the little hole on the inside. It's really easy.

>>5721854
flyback, don't fuck with the flyback.

CRT polishing update: it didn't work. rest in peace.
Oh well, it was worth a shot.

>>5721284
>>5721368
>>5721385
Jesus what, Any basic bookshelf stereo with an AUX input and two-way-or-more speakers will be more than enough, and I say this as someone who has bought multiple used receivers and ridiculous vintage speakers

>>5721862
Failure of the polish or did the rig holding it fail?

1/2
I found this security monitor at my job but it seems unconventional. Like it doesn't seem like it has anything like a BNC connector on it. It looks like it takes something like phone or Ethernet ports. Is this useful at all?

>>5721935
2/2

>>5721935
What do the ports say? Also it's probably monochrome

>>5721941
It has 4 different ports saying CA1-4. Probably for cameras.
It also has one port labeled VCR and another port labeled REMOCON. Seems self explanatory.

>>5721935
Model number?

>>5721908
How are you going to get pro logic out of that? That's gonna be a big yikes from me.

>>5721950
It's an ES-12. Having actually looked it up. It's black and white which alone means it's not that useful. Shame.

>>5721967
At least B&W screens can often have some very crystal clear images. Someone running a Hercules card might find a use for it. An old home pong machine would find it opulent.

>>5720835
I tried and just can't seem to work with braided cables. Decided to cut my losses.

>>5721991
>can't seem to work with braided cables
Huh?

>>5721752
FYI displaying PAL video on NTSC nets a black and white image.

>>5722014
I might mean multi strand. Either way I just can't get it to solder on without shorting another pin or having a very weak connection.

>>5722041
Practice bruh. Soldering genuinely isn't that hard once you get the hang of it

>>5722068
>Soldering genuinely isn't that hard once you get the hang of it
Well I've figured that much out. There's always a technique to it though and that's what everybody seems to be unwilling to share. I did excellently with single strand cables, but I can't exactly replace each cable in the original component cables. Supposedly they're better for a signal anyway.

>>5722072
Go watch some Ben Heck on Youtube. Either you'll pick something up, or feel worse than ever.

>>5722080
>Ben Heck on Youtube
I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the help anon. At the very least it will help with future projects.

>>5722080
>That video where Heck opens the original VCSP
>His utter horror and embarrassment at what he finds inside
It's funnier to me because I can remember following the original build back in the day and thinking he was a goddamned genius

>>5722087javascript:;
Could be your solder maybe. Extra flux is worth a try.

>>5722104
I've used flux paste before but it doesn't help much. I think it's the desperate need for a third arm.

>>5722110
Go buy a Helping Hands tool. They're called that for a reason. You can get a basic one out of HF for less than 10 bucks I think

>>5722121
>Helping Hands tool
damn that's exactly what I need! Thanks again!

>>5721847
>Leave it uplugged for a few days if you are nervous, this is a good prevention step.
Also, if you have a PVM or any other CRT that allows the power button to stay pushed in, that will also help.

>>5721460
Is this the result of caps going bad?

>>5721913
Failure of the polish, it did nothing to improve any of the scratches.

>>5721847
This but discharge it a few times. Once often doesn't let all the juice out.

>>5722072
Watch voltaur, pay attention to his repair videos where he fixes doujin dances fucked up turbo duos. Probably the most free with showing technique in YouTube. Also eev blog.

>>5722340
Did it otherwise make the screen worse? Like add haze? Not trying to talk shit here, genuinely interested in your attempt for good or ill

There is a Sony GDM-F520 in the storage room of my department at my university connected to a workstation no one has used in a decade. How should I go about trying to obtain it?

Just ask IT plainly and directly. The worst they'll do is tell you no. If they don't have any ridiculous inventory issues attached to it they'd probably be happy to have such a hot and heavy old thing off their hands. Hell they should have probably scrapped the entire setup years ago unless it's attached to some obscure old piece of equipment.

>>5722072
The technique isn't so important, but the tools and materials are. And people often downplay that, maybe to make their skill seem more special than it is. If you use good equipment and lots of high quality flux, good solder, and good wire, not much can go wrong.

>>5722537
Just calmly disconnect it and pick it up. If someone questions you say "I was asked by the department to repair it."

>>5722558
Oh lord no, don't do that. That's fucking retarded. I'm serious. 99% of the time IT doesn't give a shit unless the University has some ass backwards rules about Inventory, especially of it falls under whatever they deem Capital Assets. If it somehow does, there WILL be a shitshow and they will investigate next the quarters' inventory check rolls around

>>5722537
>Can I have this?
>Sure but why do you even want it lol
This is how it goes if you are even occasionally social at work. If you aren't, fix that that in the future and just take it.

>>5721967
>>5721935
Black and white CRTs usually have a much brighter colored tube than modern CRTs when powered off, you can identify them that way

Finally got an actual desk to set my 14M2U on. Much better than the walmart furniture I had it on. Much cozier now.

Been playing F Zero X and Pikmin 2 as of late, and this may sound retarded, but while I like the look of F Zero on it, I'm not so sure about Pikmin 2. Maybe I've just been spoiled after playing a fuckload of gc games on dolphin and cranking up the resolution, and using texture packs.

Finally got an actual desk to set my 14M2U on. Much better than the walmart furniture I had it on. Much cozier now.

Been playing F Zero X and Pikmin 2 as of late, and this may sound retarded, but while I like the look of F Zero on it, I'm not so sure about Pikmin 2. Maybe I've just been spoiled after playing a fuckload of gc games on dolphin and cranking up the resolution, and using texture packs.

13 inch Sony Trinitron KV-13FS100

any good? too small? it has component input

>>5722780
I had this exact model. Lost it in a fire. I liked it a lot.

>>5722791
was the fire caused by the CRT?

>>5722780
I don't personally see the appeal of a TV that small. The only advantage a television had over a computer monitor was to be a lot bigger.

>>5722537
Replace it with an entry level flat screen. "I accidentally broke it sorry. Please don't be mad I got a new one tho!"

>>5722780
if it's $20 or less i'd say go for it. i have one and it's a decent set but the lack of s-video is disappointing.

>>5722473
No haze, but additional scratches did appear, probably due to an improper mixing of the paste.
Basically, I learned that people were right when they said that glass work like that is best left to professionals.

I acquired an SGI-rebranded Sony GDM-F511 recently, it's incredible. It's my favorite CRT I own now. Max resolution of 1920x1440.

>>5722879
(I paid $80 for it.)

>>5722803
Because it takes a lot less space, its easier to carry around and it doesn't instantly destroy ikeas tv stands that are literally made out of paper. I used to have huge TV but replaced it with tiny one and I dont regret it at all

I found an unlocked Wii for 40 dollars. Yay or nay?

Which are the best consoles to emulate on it? I suppose the NES will work much better than N64 everdrive's emulator.

>>5723080
ehh depends what it comes with and what model it is(original, the cheaper one that dropped GC support, mini).

It emulates just about anything that older than ps1/saturn/n64, gba is little choppy at times and I think if snes super-fx/sa-1 has some issues/lag, but Im not sure if they managed to fix that since the last time I tired.

>>5723080
I don't see why not. Is it the model that plays Gamecube discs?

>>5723112
>>5723105
How do I know if it's the GC model?

Didn't even think about that

>>5723115
GC-less model number is RVL-101.
RVL-001: Text is upright when the Wii is standing up.
RVL-101: Text is upright when the Wii is laid flat.

>>5723139
Thank you, will look into that!

I can pick up this KV-1442AN for $18, does it look decent?

>>5720835
>just make your own
Got a link for proprietary console side cable connectors for diy soldering?

>>5723158
Here's the front

>>5723158
I'd say that it isn't worth more than 10 bucks. But still, 18 isn't alot anyways. I'd go for it if it's nearby.

>>5723158
>>5723161
I've had three Spanish sets with that tube (A34JBU10X). The picture quality is absolutely stunning. See pic.
However, all of mine had/have SCART. I didn't even know there was a version without it.
Even if it's a multisystem set, the lack of RGB would be a major letdown for me.
€15 is what I paid for the one I'm currently rocking (KV-M14E). It's a good price if it's working fine and you're willing to live without RGB. But be prepared to crack it open and adjust some pots, the geometry in all of these has shifted with time.

>>5723224
Which pots should be adjusted for the geometry

>>5723240
I have no experience with that chassis, but in both versions of the chassis my sets had, they were very clearly labeled. Those would be H/V Position and H/V Size. Maybe H Frequency too, but only if your set has trouble locking onto a signal. DO NOT touch anything else, or you'll throw the set out of whack.

>>5723159
"Eurbo - professinal supplier" on aliexpress. Standard order size is 50 pieces, but they will do smaller orders if you ask. I don't know if there is a minimum. Ask first, then order and add a comment with the ammount you asked about. They will adjust the price and then you can pay.
There might be other sellers, but this should help you find those as well.

>>5723242
Or just buy a cheapo cable and chop chop.

>>5722803
I would actually recommend if only because Trinitrons with component are pretty rare at that size.

I want to use a CRT monitor on my PC, but I only have HDMI ports on it. Can an HDMI 2 VGA Adapter display more than 60hz? I want to use the screen at a comfy 85hz as a second monitor. All adapters I've found so far only allow 60hz refresh rates.

>>5723224
It looks great. I can live without RGB for now, I've been using a generic RCA flat TV.

>>5723248
Yeah, except these are cheaper per piece and a lot easier to work with. Cheapo cables might not even have fully populated connectors. Some of the nintendo cables don't. But do as you like.

>>5723369
Plus a lot of cheapo cables epoxy the entire housing so you can't work with it :/

>>5722879
Nice
>Max resolution of 1920x1440.
Might even be higher

>>5722036
I'm aware of this, but according to the specs the CVM-1850 can auto-detect and auto-switch between PAL and NTSC modes (I got the manual with it). I figured it could simply be "stuck" in PAL mode.

>>5690008
What does /vr/ thinks of the LG Flatron?

>>5723824
some are good, some are bad. are you talking about the tvs or pc monitors?

>>5723923
TV

>>5723950
can't really tell you anything about them, sorry. nobody seems to talk about the flatron tvs at all.

>>5723281
I've used one to do 320x240@120hz without issue.

>>5722867
If they were shallow I could still see continuing anyway, as from what I remember the initial scratch was somewhat deep. Polishing is usually a multi-step, multi-grit process anyway. Ah well.

>>5723281
Yes. They don't care about vertical refresh rate, only limit is maximum dot clock, they tell you the top res at 60Hz because that's what most normies will be doing.

>>5723478
I think that's actually the highest. The highest listed in the manual is 1920x1024, but 1920x1440 is the highest I can get it to go with arandr.

>>5725006
you could go stupid high with interlacing

>>5725006
monitors don't care about the resolution, mostly just the horizontal scanrate of the signal you send them.

>>5725260
Doesn't mean you'll actually gain anything by going higher though.

>>5725456
no, you're right. and at 1920x1440 you're already at a resolution that most monitors wont resolve anyways.

I tested SNES, N64, and GC with an RF cable to an LCD tv and didn’t notice any input lag.

>>5725646
Good for you. Do you want a medal?

>>5725729
yes, that sounds lovely

>>5724939
Thank you anon!

>>5724081
Neat. Thank you!

>>5725876
No, thank YOU! :))