/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5455757
>>give no indication that there is more to do when the player gets the bad ending

http://shmuplations.com/symphony/

>Igarashi: It’s actually 200.6%. If you uncover the entire castle it’s 100%, and the inverted castle also has 100% (plus the underground waterway part for the extra .6%). We set the normal castle completion at 100% so as to put one “endpoint” to the game’s progression. What we were thinking is that people wouldn’t defeat Dracula on their very first playthrough; we wanted them to defeat Richter once. Then, after feeling like they’d beat Richter and cleared the game, they’d decide to aim for 100% completion in the normal castle and uncover all the places they didn’t get to; in doing so they’d discover the inverted castle and feel like they’d found something special. When players defeated Richter, we wanted them to be wondering, “What happened to Death? What about all of Alucard’s stolen equipment?”

>don't explore the whole game
>get bad ending
>WTF HOW

>>5455757
doesn't Maria helps you reach the inverted castle in the clock room, thanks to the Silver and Gold rings?

>>5455757
What's the inverted castle

>>5456729

Nothing don't listen to him. It's just some gay rumor like how you can revive Aeris, or get super pokemon under the truck. The game ends after you beat Richter.

>>5456729
It's the other side of the castle after you go past the clock room.

Replay value

>>5456670
Few games treat 100% exploration as mandatory since if you're not super into it it'll make the game outstay its welcome. There should be some kind of reward though, but literally half the game's content is a bit silly.

>>5455757
>beat game in like 5 hours
>"damn that was fucking short but awesome, guess it's over but maybe there's still some shit i can find"
>continue exploring
>find out there's still a whole other half of the game
I know you're used to "play the second half of the game for only 4.99$ as DLC!" but back then there were "secrets."

>>5455757
You were never curious about where your stolen equipment really was?

>>5456954
>but back then there were "secrets."
It's not a secret if it's literally the second part of the game

>>5456724
She gives you the item that helps expose what's really going on with Richter, but doesn't say anything about the second castle. However, the fact that the room where you meet her is designed upside-down can be considered a hint.

>>5457091
It's not a secret if you're not a brainlet, stick to 6th gen onward games with quest markers and handholding

Back in the 90s people used to 100% games or get as close as they could. See super Mario world or donkey Kong country

It's not impossible to discover the solution on your own if you're observant. You get the first ring pretty early and its description should prompt you to find the second. Both rings flat out tell you what to do to get the item you need for Richter's fight.

Also consider:

>you got 2-3 games a year and played the fuck out of each
>some kid found it out and told everyone at school
>TV ads showed reverse castle bosses
>vidya magazines flat out tell you
>helpline if you're desperate

>>5457121
Have you tried playing better games instead of what IGN tells you to play because they're paid reviewers?

>>5457112
But she gives you one of the rings, and together they read “wear...in...clock...room...” it doesn’t hint to what that means, but you can figure out to wear them in the clock room and from there boom

>>5457224
>gets btfo because he lacks the skills needed to play a game
>"PLAY BETTER GAMES"

sounds like a lifelong, chronic case of 'git gud'

>>5455757
>What did they mean by this?

Play the fucking game properly instead of halfassing it.

I think the funny thing here is basically that modern gamers are all about finishing shit so they can hurry on to the next title ASAP. I wouldn't be surprised if the influx of people who try to shitpost this game are people who completely didn't even get the inverted castle.

>>5457091
>hidden part of the game
>not a secret
Why would it not be considered a secret regardless of how much content is hidden?

>>5457031
Honestly I didn't even remember the equipment, probably simply Death himself was more what I remembered. Too bad his fight is a fucking joke.

How can I play this game on my Wii? I bought it because it was cheap. :(

>>5455757
>no indication
Shut this down.

>>5455757
the first part of the game is gold, the second part is grabage!
richter game is crap!

>>5457396
Yeah I can agree with that. Death is always suppose to be a hard ass boss, him being such a push over in SOTN is probably one of the biggest let downs in the entire game. She should'a been as hard if not harder than Galamoth.

>>5457242
Where did I say I couldn't find it? Project elsewhere, faggot, any idiot can find the Inverted Castle.

I love SotN but holy shit that inverted castle is rushed. You can't tell me it wasn't. Thank god it's this extra secret thing because honestly it's a borefest with one kinda tough boss.

You know, the TRUE fun of SotN comes when you can play through the game as Richter. How come nobody ever talks about it? It's a legit Hard Mode.

>>5458086
Right on. It's not only that it's hard mode, it's that he's faster and can do a lot of tricks.

>>5458103
Richter-mode feels like the true sequel to Rondo. Perhaps that's what the devs originally intended, with Alucard-mode being somewhat of an icebreaker for newer players.
It always seems like people focus too much on Alucard's run and never really play the game as Richter.

>>5458086
>hard mode
>almost everything dies in one hit
>Hydro Storm
>Richter already starts with all of his moves, flies and what the fuck else
If anything, Richter's mode is the "I don't give a fuck" mode. You can just brute force everything, except for the fact you don't have any way to heal.

>>5458109
Maybe a problem is that they do have to play through alucard mode first.

I mean shit. I understand the saturn version is worse, but fuck I wish there was some sort of romhack with everything from the saturn version added to it.

>>5458086
lolwhat you can literally swastika dash through everything while invincible and have multiple cheap screen clearing nukes. Beating the game as Richter takes less than ten minutes, a half hour if you want to kill all the bosses.

>>5455757
The inverted castle is shit anyway, you aren't losing much by not getting there.

>>5458172
I get the reason now why people bitch about SotN being too easy. You people abuse the fuck out of it. It's like the only kinds of games that are hard to most players these days are the ones that don't allow them to them to abuse their inner cokefiend. It's like when motherfuckers whine about FFVIII being too easy because they played cards and abused the shit out of card mod. Well no shit it was too easy. You play like a speedrunner. SotN was easy? Because you got the Shield Rod or a Crissaegrim or some other bullshit. You do realize that you don't need to use or even get those items, right?

Inverted castle is fucking kino, retards don't know what they're talking about. Classic bosses mixed with cool new ones like Beelzebub, awesome gear and new enemies everywhere. Shame they didn't add a sideways castle as well.

>>5458202
Don't blame the player for using the options given to them. Any logical human being will play in the most optimal matter, that's part of getting gud. It's one thing to abuse glitches but when you're merely using an item or ability given to you that's entirely within reason to find without guides then it's simply a poorly balanced game. Why should the player do the developer's work and figure out how to balance the game? Here's a better idea: Don't put in stupid game breaking shit.

>>5458202
Speedrunner? Everything that Richter can use to fuck the game up is readily available, you don't need to go out of your way to find anything, or think about some ass-backwards way to defeat a boss. He already has all of his tools since the beginning.

>>5458210
>>5458213
Some folks play FF1 using 4 fighters, and some with 4 white mages.

>>5458086
>>5458109
The game was designed solely for Alucard and was not balanced for Richter at all. This is an ongoing problem in all the "Metroidvanias" where you can play as the side characters.

>>5458202
By the time the average player gets into the Inverted Castle, Alucard is so overleveled that even the weakest sword obliterates most enemies. Abusing tools has nothing to do with it.

>>5457224
I only play SNES and PSX games desu

>>5458086
>anime poster
>idiotic opinion

Pottery

>>5455757
>What did they mean by this?
Don't be a brainlet. It's almost impossible to miss the true ending if you actually explore.

>>5458202
They probably used the hellhound exploit to skip the Death cutscene in the beginning. Of course the game becomes easy after that!

>Just like the wind,
>I've always been
>Drifting high up in the sky that never ends

It's right in the lyrics, DUH.

>>5458210
100% agree. It's a design flaw that should get no praise, be it a new or classic game, popular or not. When it's no hard to test out whether or not something can make the game too fucking easy there's no excuse, and the shield rod is just like right the fuck there, don't give me that shit.

>>5455757
Imagine having to play the game

>>5458202
For your first time, unguided playthrough, yeah, I'm winding up pretty strong pretty quickly. It's a game based around exploration, so when you don't know where to go, you run around the castle, and running around the castle means defeating more enemies, and defeating more enemies means you level up a lot. I'm a small bit into the inverted castle, but for the most part I feel incredibly overpowered. So far the hardest parts of the game were the Doppleganger boss or whatever it is called, and the blue Venus Weeds.

>>5458967
It's quite easy to even accidentally find stuff that deals with anything easily. You have to essentially gimp yourself to make this game actually challenging.

Sotn is a good game. Cry more /vr/.