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Deathlord. This game is Wizardry IV levels of make you want to cry. Especially because when you die, it automatically records it to your save game, so...game over. You have to restart from scratch. Keeping about 50 backup save copies is necessary to survive.

>>5437010
>896x896 tiles world map spanning several continents
>20 huge dungeons
>Permadeath

>>5436998
>he thinks 1 was bad in terms of difficulty/bullshit
anon...

Deathlord has 15 continents and archipelagos with a huge ocean to cross. Game is a beast.

>>5436998
Could be worse.
Could be Wiz4.

>>5436998
The computer versions are WAY harder. And Wizardry IV makes them all look like a cakewalk by comparison.

>>5437161
>The computer versions are WAY harder

>>5436998
>>5437134
>>5437161
>Wizardry IV

Wizardry IV was rereleased on a PS1 Wizardry collection which is Japan-only although the game lets you select English text.

I remember as a kid playing Phantasie 3 and half my party getting dismembered by the fucking beatles at the starting area.

>>5437168
Sort the Wizardry games (not the Japanese ones) by difficulty. Which Wiz games are on par with 7th Saga (SNES)?
I only played 7 & 8.

>>5437168
How did Brenda Romero ever beat that as a tester?

>>5437516
7th saga isn't hard it's just a grindfest

>>5437540
>grindfest
Hard if you don't grind. 7th is the most grindfest game I ever play.

>>5436998
One time when I was a kid, we asked for double dragon for Christmas.
Me and siblings were about 5 or 6.
We got Wizardry for some reason.
We didn't hate it, but we weren't good at it.
It was still fun spending hours rolling good characters though.

Nobody is forcing you to play the NES versions.
I don't think there are inescapable rooms in the games. The dungeons are designed so that you can always return to the normal area. When you get lost after triggering a warp trap it can help to trigger another to get back to known territory. If nothing else helps there's still MALOR and LOKTOFEIT.

>>5437516
Starting difficulty:
6>1>3>5
2 doesn't really have a start since you import your characters.

Finishing difficulty:
5>1>2>6>3

Haven't played any of the Saga games.

the best part is the fact it's as fun as a Excel sheet.

>>5437875
>x > y
x is harder than y?
which one is harder?
no wiz 4, 7, 8?

>>5438161
7 and 8 are easier than the rest and 4 is obviously the hardest.

>>5437761
What system you had? If you had a computer and not an NES, then you were probably lucky you didn't get Double Dragon.

>>5438296
The C64, PC, and NES were the only systems with both games so...

>>5437875
7th Saga is not part of the SaGa series, but I can see where you are coming from.
I think that series is just 7th Saga (Elnard or something in Japan) and Mystic Ark which kinda has a similar feel but doesn't really follow the same continuity.

>>5438160
games are just rising and falling numbers at their core. it's the nitty-gritty and stripped down essence of all games. bottom-line: just fucking avoid wizardry like the plague. don't even play wizardry clones like Elminage and Etrian Odyssey. there is very little chance and patience you might finish them anyway. Perhaps the PS2 Wizardry and the Wiz 8 game is beatable and even fun but I still dropped those too so I can't think of many outliers beyond that. everyone is a degenerate foolish no-good casual and manbaby when facing most Wizardry titles.

7 and 8 are insufferable grindfests. And you guys call them the easiest ones, fuck

7 and 8 are insufferable grindfests. And you guys call them the easier ones, fuck

>>5440057
They are dragged out. Wizardry isn't supposed to be like that.

Captcha

>tfw no company picks up Wizardry IP and make more Wiz games

>>5440263
Did the company close? Wizrogue came out in 2017.

>>5440263
the latest entry was Wizrogue but I have no idea what publisher owns the IP at this point. seems like they toss it around all the time.

>>5440269
>be sirtech company
>run out of money
>bankrupt
>wiz 8 had not been released yet
>ask a gaming pc company to be publisher
>gaming pc company wanted a special splash screen when you quit the game
>>5440270
that's mobage shit with wizardry IP, not wizardry style game

>>5440287
>not wizardry style game
There are dozens of official Wizardry Wizardry style dungeon crawlers.
Do you really need more of them?

>>5436998
I beat it back in the 1980's on my Apple IIe

>>5441764
W1-3 are beatable with enough patience. When you try 4 however...

>>5440263
just play Elimage

>>5436998
Not without using savegame backups. Wizardy games are grind fests at their essence. There aren't even any strategy guys for these games. Really makes you wonder if anyone had ever beaten the games without cheating.

>>5440824
>There are dozens of official Wizardry Wizardry style dungeon crawlers.
and exactly zero of them match 6-8 in terms of quality so... yeah, but not from japan.

>>5442425
6-8 aren't even Wizardry style. 7 is also just bad.

The problem with Wizardry is that it emulates AD&D hardcore, except it leaves out one crucial thing: minions. You took on these hard as fuck dungeons with literally an army of hired mooks to gang rush mobs and buy you time against traps and big bads.

>>5440263
>>tfw no company picks up Wizardry IP and make more Wiz games
What?
Aquire has the IP right now, though the latest Wiz game is pretty disappointing.
Go play the Elminage games if you want the sublimation of classic wizardy, Gothic has fantastic gameplay balance compared to the rest, but Original and 2 have better gimmicks and puzzles, which Gothic lacks almost entirely, they're also immensely more broken, Original especially, which becomes almost a parody once you get class masteries, especially for Thieves or Brawlers.

>>5442428
Don't disrespect based Bradley

>>5443365
Can you explain what makes 7 not bad?
Bradley made 5 which overall was a much needed evolution of the classic formula.
Then he made 6 which had some dubious changes.
Finally he made 7 which lacked all the impact of Wizardry by turning it into a nonlinear slog.

>>5443528
1. It still has one of the best class changing systems in any rpg to this date. 2. Unironically, the prose. Say what you will, but it makes the feel like you're sitting around a dungeon master.
3. The combat. It's same as the other Wizardrys, but still good.

>>5444158
And although I still prefer 6, I can't blame Bradley for having a bloated open world rather than a series of dungeons. Wizardry took a huge hit in popularity in the west due to the outdated graphics and stagnation of 4 and 5. People wanted more RPGs like Ultima and M&M, where there are huge worlds with lots of NPCs and quests.

>>5444158
>3. The combat. It's same as the other Wizardrys, but still good.
It had those stupid alternate melee attacks. Combat in Wizardry is supposed to be fast but in 7 it's slow.