/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5321394
Pro tip, sticks are as the kids say, a meme. Unless you grew up playing stick more than pad it's really not worth trying to build new muscle memory so you can get good with one. And if you are going to spend the time learning a new control scheme you would pick keyboard because it's the one that's legitimately superior to the others.

>>5321401
>legitimately recommending keyboard
What the fuck. Eat shit and die.

>>5321401
Please guys ignore this troll and let's have wonderful thread

Theres youtuber called NihondoGamer, and he tries out various arcade sticks, which is quite good watch how he tries them out, because its not usual "professional" review. I am and always was joypad user so I cant give my opinion on any. I've tried few flightsticks but obviously it's hard to play most of arcade games.

>>5321406
Ohh Kiddo... You really shouldn't talk shit when you're clueless about a subject. Keyboard and hitboxes are objectively superior abd allow you to do things that are impossible on a pad/stick. There's a reason some tournaments ban them.

>>5321406
I use this when i'm on the go w/ my surface pro. Not ideal but it gets the job done.

>>5321394
I bought a stick and modified it, and honestly it was kind of a mistake. Building your own is the cheapest way to get exactly what you want, and it's easy as hell. I like akishop.jp and art's hobbies.

>>5321430
>Ohh Kiddo
Lol @ people trying to be condescending on a chinese cartoon shitposting website, "kiddo"

>>5321430
Really want to see you do a pretzel motion on wasd keys

>>5321401
>>5321430
did OP ask about the most optimized controls for 'competitive' play? No? Then stfu

>>5321394
I'm not a fan of the arcade stick I usually use a sega style game controller when playing MAME games.

Can't go wrong with an xbox 360 stick. Just plug it in by USB and you're good to go. I use this one personally. Arcade sticks make shooters, beat em ups, and fighting games so much more fun.

>>5321516
I really only threw that in for being accused of trolling when I was trying to be helpful. If someone wants to put a stick on a mame cabinet for a more authentic feel that's all well and good. But traditionally most people who switch to stick over pad were buying into the idea that it was the best way to play fighters and I was helpfully pointing out that in that case it's a waste of time.

I laghed and used a kiddo because you came back arrogantly at my mention of keyboard. Which if you actually knew what you were talking about, was a genuine suggestion.


>>5321523
Actually pretzels, along with 360s can be done much more easily and quickly. That along with being able to charge charge-moves when it's impossible on a stick or pad is among the reasons they get banned.

>>5321516
i'm going in unlubed

>>5321551
That arcade stick actually looks extremely comfortable.

Any youtube reviews on it?

OP here. What about pic related? I've seen some reviews and some people say it's good others say it sucks. It looks like a cheap option to start with.

>>5321401
I've always played arcade games on pc using the keyboard. I have very little experience with arcade sticks since arcade machines were not that commom where I'm from. I just want to try something new because it looks nice and more authentic way because these games were build to be played on arcade sticks.

>>5321726
I own one and it's fine. The buttons are a little small but it's not unbearable. I feel like it would wear down with use but I already have a nice full-size arcade stick so this is just for 2p.

>>5321709
I remember looking for reviews too and not finding any for that particular stick.
I can tell you that's it's compact, smaller than other "tournament grade" arcade sticks but it doesn't feel cramped at all.
It's very heavy, feels extremely well-built. The stick itself is pretty much the best I've ever used. Super smooth and precise, with just enough travel. The buttons are good too, you barely need to press at all for them to respond.

Feel free to ask me anything else about it.

>>5321726
anything made by hori will be at least decent. If you're a casual player, I would give it a try.

>>5321406
you can get to pro standard with keyboard as they're so precise.
https://youtu.be/gvxef_w5wl8

>>5321892
It looks so clumsy playing like that. I've always used "WASD" as d-pad and "UIOJKL" for commands. Like pic related (except I use space as start).

Anything from the Hori RAP lineup is a great option. Sanwa stick and buttons, easy to customize if you want. Native PC driver and also works on PS3/PS4 or Xbox 360/One depending on which version you get.

>>5321726
>I just want to try something new because it looks nice and more authentic

That's a fine reason then, and I meant no trolling earlier. I've seen too many guys like this >>5321489 over the years who bought in to the rhetoric that if you're serious about arcade games you need to learn to use a stick and ended up wasting time and money. The stick you posted is good though, if it's comfortably in your price range then go for it.

>>5321394
I did for years but recently I have swallowed the harsh pill of realizing that a standard controller with d-pad and buttons is superior in 90% of use scenarios. It's just way more accurate and comfortable.

>>5322129
who cares how it looks? it obv isn't clumsy as proven by based pazzy getting 500 mill in ketsui ffs.

>>5322219
It's not superior, But if it's what ypu have built your muscle memory around you will be naturally better with it. A stick is slightly better control-wise than a pad, it's just that the difference isn't big enough to matter in most cases and is overshadowed by other factors.

>>5321561
I'm guessing you took advantage of mame allowing more that one key to be assign to a button input. When I read what you were saying, it didn't make sense to me at first, but then I remembered I was doing something similar for certain games to both simulate some control features the console versions had and to get around my keyboards limitations on certain buttons being pushed at the same time. I just never thought about an optimized solution for complex button inputs.

>>5322219
I have pic related. It's the most cheap shit you could find, but it feels better than everything else I've played with.

>>5322236
No, it is pretty much confirmed a dpad will win out compared to a stick in most arcade games that only have 4 directions (even more so in games that need faster adjustments of direction). In the same way a hitbox will win against both.

>>5322280
>it is pretty much confirmed a dpad will win out compared to a stick in most arcade games
By who?

>>5322280
>>5322281

I could see that being the case. But also I care far less about games that only have 4 directions so it doesn't really matter.

>>5321394
>tfw you realize “mame” and “meme” are almost the same word

>>5322252
I should note that I don't use keyboard myself, I've just seen it in action enough to know how brutal it is. I used stick for a while but went back to pad in the end and am happy with it.

>>5321401
>as the kids say
>didn't grow up with sticks for arcade games
>le ebik irony

>>5322354
I'll be 45 next month. We just didn't all grow up beside arcades. Meme is a newish word that's often misused, but this is a rare case where it fits well.

>>5322219
Anon, that controller is beautiful.

i would like to use a keyboard but i swear there's something wrong with how emulators/games interpret the input compared to using a controller. Do hitboxes filter the inputs somehow?

>>5321892
That guy's fingers make me feel uncomfortable.

>>5322373
If you were 45 you'd have grown up in a time were arcade machines were in every pizza joint, super market, convenience store, from big cities to one horse towns. You're either LARPing hard or are from some poor retarded third world shithole where your experience, or lack thereof, means nothing to anyone, anywhere.

I built my own. Pretty fun project with parts from Amazon.

>>5322373
>Meme is a newish word

The meme first appeared in Richard Dawkins’ first book, “The Selfish Gene” (1976)

>>5321401

Favela nigger detected

>>5322806
Anon was the ripe old age of 2 at the time. In his imaginary LARP world

>>5322723
Dude, I'm Canadian and yeah there were arcade machines around but it doesn't mean that's where I spent most of my gaming time. Particularly fighting games, I played a little in arcades but spent countless hours playing on home consoles so that's where I built my muscle memory.

>>5322806
That is newish to me. Most people, particularly here misuse it in all sorts of ways. But the notion the fighting game community pushed really hard for a long time, that using a stick is the best or only way to play them, is a meme. Sorry I phrased it that way or pointed out the truth and hurt all your delicate sensibilities. I've seen many people waste time and money on arcade sticks for foolish reasons and ending up bitter about it so I thought I'd be helpful. Sure shows me lol

>>5323173
So irrelevant 3rd world shithole. And you played fightan games at home like a faggot. Again, how exactly is your abnormal lack of experience relevant to anything?

>>5323385
Maybe try reading what I wrote and thinking even slightly lol. You are so triggered over nothing it's really pretty special.

I use this one and it works pretty well.

You get gud with what you use. As long as the device functions correctly you learn to use it and develop muscle memory.

In many different genres there are people who are good that use different control options.

>>5323425
this

>>5323425
This guy gets it.

Again, using a stick because you want a more authentic arcadey experience or just like the feel of it is all good and awesome. Just don't fall for the fgc party line of so many years that it's the only way to play if you want to be serious.

>>5323425
Except that complex combos that require holding down a button (P-LINK) are actually impossible to do on keyboard and joypad but ok. I wanna see you attempt Tekken 3 King's throw string on a joypad.

>>5323474
Not him, I'm bot familar with Tekken or most 3D fighters. Googled briefly but there's a lot to dig through. What are the the inputs necessary for it and why would it be easier with a stick than pad or board/hitbox?

>>5323474
Well, obviously, if you are playing a game that requires it then use one. However that is the exception and not the rule.

>>5323474
I'd expect the button layout to be the main real advantage of using a stick

>>5321561
I like how the FGC downplays the significance of difficult inputs then bans any controller that lets you cleanly push whatever you want.

Speaking of sticks is there any kind of a guide on making one for multiple /vr/ consoles? I'd rather not have to keep one for each system.

>>5323785
Well x arcade sticks have some kind of multi system adapter, my wife's son appreciates the way it tidies up the cables

>>5321561
>That along with being able to charge charge-moves when it's impossible on a stick or pad is among the reasons they get banned.
You mean holding Left + Right keys at the same time to charge without moving? MAME doesn't allow that.

>>5323785
I dunno. Ive been thinking about building small modules with different gamepad boards in them. Your stick controls are wired to a connector and you slide these modules in a side opening like a cassette to suite whatever you need to plug it into.

I dont know how feasable this is. Maybe theres a better way. I havent really tried to design anything yet, just a thought.

>>5323785
Too bad, if it was Saturn-only I'd recommend the HSS-0130, beautiful and virtually indestructible. Bit on the pricey side but you can use it on PC with a cheap adapter.

>>5323785
Cheapest solution for real hardware is probably to find a used stick that feels comfortable and put an MC Cthulhu with a Neutrik adapter into it. After that you make cables for each system you want to use it with. You can also buy pre-made cables for PS2, Dreamcast, and PC/PS3. This covers the majority of old consoles but does require a small amount of soldering for the initial installation in addition to some cable fabrication. You can also buy the Brook Retro Board but it's over twice as much as the Cthulhu for some dumb reason but it doesn't require soldering.

An easier but slightly more pricey solution which is also better if you have a large number of sticks you want to use with classic consoles is to buy a PS3/4-to-PS2 adapter and then buy PS2 Tototek adapters for the systems you want to use them with. Unfortunately this is not compatible with some of the newer models, such as the Obsidian, Dragon, and new Fighting Edge.

You can also just find a PS2 stick you like and use adapters from there, although good PS2 sticks are pretty pricey these days.

>>5322803
how much did this project cost, anon?

>>5323967
Thanks. That was a big help. I happen to have your pictured product.

>>5323983
Good shit, anon. That is a great stick. A bit of a headache to work on since it takes a while to pull it apart and/or put it back together but once it's naked it's super easy to swap parts out. Great form factor, size and weight.

>>5323993
Yeah. There's a mod out to have it open from the top. I would prefer more space between the stick and the buttons but it's still so well balanced and great quality.

>>5322415
It's a Net Yaroze controller. Rather rare and expensive. I wish I had one, but I have to make due with the standard gray one.

>>5321427
NihongoGamer is great and he's pretty good explaining what's good about the sticks he uses, yeah
I personally would love to try playing them with a stick but they're expensive here (third-world country) and the ones in actual arcades are the american ones that feel terrible and are even broken sometimes, so I'd recommend using a pad if you have the choice (like a DS3), mostly everything is better than keyboard at this point

>>5323402
Calling a young dumb bullshitter out for being retarded isn't being "triggered", kiddo

>>5323929
Yes, many. You can even buy modules that output for multiple consoles if you don't want to/can't make your own.

>>5323929
I've seen 0130s modded for multiple consoles and modded 0136s are super common as companies did it on a large scale back int he day. Saturn controllers use simple multiplexing so making a no lag interface for another console is cheap and easy.

>>5321394
>arcade stick
you mean fight stick

>>5324458
>Calling a young dumb bullshitter out for being retarded isn't being "triggered", kiddo


Except what I said was true and you had a meltdown. That looks triggered from over here lol

>>5324613
No.

>>5325192
Still pretending you're a 45 year old who never used a stick in an arcade? Yet somehow has an opinion on them that's a fact? Wew lad.

>>5325515
Lol you can't even read. Why not start at the beginning again, babycakes.

>>5321401
I'm shit at fighting games with a stick or gamepad, but I'm mildly decent with a keyboard. I'd say he has a point

>>5325647
>I'd say he has a point
He has no point whatsoever, it boils down to how used you are to the input device. Can you use a freaking steering wheel to play fighting games, yes you can is it the best input method? probably not.

>>5325647
>>5325657
Neither of those are close to the point I was even making. Why does /vr just go straight to tantrum mode without even reading these days?

>>5325667
What kind of candy ass sissy culture do you hail from if that is considered a tantrum?

>>5325674
A civilized one lol. I gave some advice which people barely read, got triggered because they didn't understand and then started swearing and getting upset. That's a tantrum in my books. It's just funny to watch happen.

Like I said, using a stick because you want a more authentic arcadey experience or just like the feel of it is all good and awesome. Just don't fall for the fgc party line of so many years that it's the only way to play if you want to be serious. That's the important take away.

>>5325682
>civilized one
More like a gay one LMAO

>>5325693
Sick burn from frogland

>>5321401
Wow, first post in the thread is a complete load of bullshit. Fight me online kid see what happens

>>5321401
It's more fun to use a stick for arcade type of games. Maybe it's not as efficient as a keyboard but so what? It's more physical because you're using your wrists more, so that makes it slightly more engaging for me.
That's like saying playing DDR on a mat is a meme because it's much more efficient to play on a keyboard.

the only thing I play on a keyboard is Ms Pac-man and it's still awkward for me compared to a pad or stick

>>5325784
Describe in detail what part is bullshit and why.

>>5325821
And that's all well and good. I said that because I've known many guys like this >>532148 over the years who bought into the fgc hype over sticks. I was never saying people shouldn't use one. Just that changing for the wrong reasons is a waste.

>>5325838
That's because the only game you play like that is PacMan. We're talking about muscle memory.

>>5323978
$50 for the buttons if I recall.
$50 in Raspberry Pi parts, though I could easily use an old laptop.
I had the screen laying around, and the wood can be bought cheap or bought precut for around $100.

>>5325821
I started using arcade stick for MAME and ended up buying arcade sticks for all my systems. I even play NES games, like Super Mario Bros. or Zelda with the NES Advantage. I don't know, there's something very special for me about using arcade sticks for playing games, sometimes I enjoy more the fact that I'm playing it on a stick than the actual game.

>>5321394
No.