/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5310172
Maybe

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Nobody is mad at emulation. Shit's free and anyone can access it.
Most of the salt threads come from hardwareless fags.

emulation kicks ass, the first priority is to enjoy playing
arguments come from the ancillary topics such as crt vs lcd and filter faggotry

>>5310172

Where do you guys download your emulator roms at?

>>5310204
What's an emulator rom?

>>5310172
Because we've wasted inordinate amounts of money on systems and displays to play old classics and then some snot-nosed retard can just play their hidden gems in like 5 minutes of googling. And then this little shit has the gall to use scanline filters and pretend it looks the same.
It doesn't. Fuck you, asshole.

>>5310172
mostly because of filters

>>5310204
I normally download them from the inter net.

>>5310247
>Because we've wasted inordinate amounts of money on systems and displays to play old classics
Except many of us just had them since they came out back in the day. We just never sold them or lost them.

>>5310247
>can just play their hidden gems i
I really wish Metal Justed and Bomb Rigged would fall into a well.

>>5310247
lol

As emulation gets better quickly, the value of people's "investments" is decreased. They didn't expect emulation to be so easy/popular/good this soon.

>>5310172
emulation is fine. its the collectors that trigger people who emulate.

>>5310172
I like emulation only issue I have
Is I like playing emulated games with controllers that match the system the game was designed for.

>>5310343
I do both collecting and emulate.

The collectors market is a issue I see prices skyrocket for common cartridge games.

I can understand rare hardware and games going for a high price.
But I Think the market price for some SNES cartridges are higher than they should be.

I actually prefer mods of the original hardware over emulation and collecting.

The people who play burnt CD's on their dreamcast and ps1 seem more happy with their experience then the emulators and collecters.

Gate-keeping. Emulation opens the doors to retro games for people outside of this little niche culture we have set up.
The sixteen year old who thinks the PS2 is ancient technology can play through Streets of Rage with his friends.
The 9-to-5 working layman who cares more about the shade of his lawn than whether his TV supports SCART input can play Neo Turf Masters.
The little girl who just can't fathom that a web browser wasn't installed on the NES can be traumatized by Monster Party.

Emulation lets people experience the games that we spend more time trying to collect, connect, and display accurately than actually playing without sacrificing in the thousands of dollars that we have. Sometimes, they can even get an objectively better experience than us by doing so.

And we fucking hate it.

>>5310501
>Emulation opens the doors to retro games for people outside of this little niche culture we have set up.
>The sixteen year old who thinks the PS2 is ancient technology can play through Streets of Rage with his friends.
>The 9-to-5 working layman who cares more about the shade of his lawn than whether his TV supports SCART input can play Neo Turf Masters.
>The little girl who just can't fathom that a web browser wasn't installed on the NES can be traumatized by Monster Party.
Honestly anon, this is beautiful in my eyes. I started out emulating NES/SNES games on my Wii back in 2010 and now I have a massive collection, a modded Saturn, a GDEMU Dreamcast, flashcarts for all my systems, and a decent CRT with s-video (sorry the scart meme doesn't make a big enough difference with my shitty eyes).
Emulation allows people to fall down the rabbit hole and integrate into our niche communities.

>>5310501
>traumatized my Monster Party
>traumatized
What's so scary about- OH FUCK

>>5310501
>Neo Turf Masters
Best game ever, by the way.

>>5310172
Underage plastic fetishists most likely.
I haven’t met that many people my age that get assmad over it.

>>5310172

It made people mad the same way every computer thread ends going about "jetsetwillyvanias mate!.." or any x68000 thread get derailed with "it's only eroges"...

Thanks to the two or three shitposters like you.

>>5310172
Why are retards reposting past threads word-for-word so much recently?

>>5310204
www.nintendo.com

Emulation is fine and every console should get good emulation. However some systems don't emulate well and I'd say those are especially worth owning.

>>5310172
Because they're hugely buttpained about it being the only option for people are poor as themselves

>>5310172
MUH AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCE!

As the other guy said, gate-keeping.
Emulation lets people of all sorts play old games fairly easily, without going through learning things about the systems and setups.
They feel foreign and rarely adapt or integrate. Though it does give a way for the few that will to find it, they are incredibly rare, not a high percent of inflowing individuals at all.
So it's more work to deal with more people, most of which won't bother to adapt/integrate at all.

Emulation also brings about drama. From obsessive users who insist on emulating in the perfect way, to developers that attempt to make that feasible, to people on both sides that simply do not care, and the mentally ill (Trannies, gangstalkers for lack of a better word, excessively aggressive self righteous individuals, etc) mixed in there.
I fucking love emulation. But because of the other people that do, there's not a single location on the internet for the topic that I can stay at for long.

Every single system should be emulatable in every single way feasible with as many options as possible for different preferences.
But fuck I really hate the people involved on all sides.

>>5310252
This

I've always loved emulation since I first downloaded Nesticle and Genecyst back in the day. Then later I saw filters, and I decided then and there emulation was my platform of choice. I don't care about playing the way the developer intended, I'm always looking for better.

Thank God this quality thread was remade, /vr/ needs such a great thread up at all times.

>>5314269
Fucking lol @ the mentally ill tranny and gangstalker comment. What a weird inclusion.

>>5314638
That's mostly just developer chat/forums and /vg/. It certainly is a weird inclusion, and I do indeed hate it.

mm xbrz

>>5314641
Sure am glad /vr/ is my only exposure to that shit. Sounds annoying.

the way you engage with a file on your computer and a cartridge or disc in a console on your tv is fundamentally, unquestionably and irreversibly different. theres less required engagement with some files, and the dreaded savestates, and it can really mess with people's perceptions of retro games when they dont understand how they're meant to be played or why. you can try to make your experience more authentic, but it will always be a step removed.

Emulation is fine for people who enjoy it (I certainly did it in the past) and for historical preservation, but I don't see how I could emulate again after going back to plopping down in front of a TV and playing on a physical console. It's not just about authenticity or nostalgia about how I played console games as a kid, although those are factors. Since you're playing on a single-purpose device, you're a lot less distracted and more focused on the experience of actually playing a game. It's just a completely different feeling.

>>5314703
Just playing fullscreen and having the disciplie to not pause the emulator for distractions every few minutes takes care of that feeling entirely for me.
Dedicating myself to a focused experience is absolutely possible.
Often even easier with emulation. Because all of the distractions like other consoles and games are not physically visible around me. And because I can automate redundant save memory backups, not having to worry about corruption or SRAM battery life that happen so fucking often with aged equipment.

>>5310501
I honestly can't tell if you're projecting or if everyone on this board believes this and I'm the odd one out

>>5314625
I wouldn't really say that's better to me.
It's certainly different. Softer than nearest without massive blur or strong aliasing inherent to linear. Definitely does its job at trying to make it look less pixellated. That's all true. But I don't like it.
There's just too much warping, especially in motion. It comes off as unnatural, rough paint strokes. And with that one in particular it has a weird checkered pattern on most diagonals which is quite distracting.

Then again my preference in scaling isn't really better either.
Nearest 2x with some slight color correction depending on the system, then linear to fit the screen.
Soft rectangle shaped pixels that can be scaled non-integer without inconsistent line widths, no warping, done incredibly fast and working on all systems.
It's more about compromise and being easy on the eyes, an attempt to display in the least distracting way.

>>5310172
it doesn't

>>5310172
It doesn't. Only users that can't stop talking about it. Emulation is not a new thing at all. It also is not the answer to every problem. If I am content with a less than perfect gaming experience however, I will emulate.

>>5315650
NES emulation is less than perfect?

>>5310172
Because youtube kids do shit like playing Virtua Fighter on MAME (that has partially broken emulation, hitboxes don't work, dynamic models are flying around in the air, etc), and then present the game being broken as fuck as a historical fact for why it did not become successful until a sequel.

It's why everyone says Saturn games are broken, or Genesis sounds like farts, or PSX and PS2 wasn't pixelated broken mess, etc.

>>5315650
All gaming experiences are less than perfect.
>>5315667
Of course it is. Putting the fact that perfection, absolute completion in every way, is literally impossible; fully emulating a system that can have endless co-processors on the cartridges is kind of tricky. The amount of unlicensed carts that will never be emulated due to funky mappers is silly.
And hell, people can't even agree on what a proper palette looks like. Since that'll obviously be different from TV to TV.

>>5315650
I do the opposite, not emulating when I'm okay with a lesser but easier experience.

>>5310172
They need justification on their over priced hardware purchases, so they make up things about tiny inaccuracies and needing a crt so the game is "the way it was intended", but they're all full of shit. Only autists will notice those differences and I think most people would rather play with a crisp picture on an HD display.

>>5310501
See, this mindset is horrible and we should all want more people to have as easy access to these games as possible so that their style and game design isn't lost in coming generations.

Do you really want some indie dev making a Metroidvania because he was influenced by the shitty indie games of [CURRENT YEAR], and when asked if he's ever played Metroid of SOTN, he'll say he's never heard of them.

No, everyone needs to be able to go back to the roots of gaming and see how far it's come and not forget the lessons of the past. And for hardware fags, the more people that get into emulation, the more people maybe want to actually buy the real hardware if they get into it enough and the value of all that shit you have will rise over time, otherwise its value will die when all the people who grew up with those consoles die and they won't be worth shit and your children will just throw your entire life's collection in a dumpster to be forgotten along with you.