/vr/ - Retro Games

>giving a shit about story in videogames

Isn't it a game about alternate realities already

>>5084091
They tried to make Chrono Cross (AND Radical Dreamers, to that matter) "canon" by including a DS-exclusive ending in Chrono Trigger that ties it to Chrono Cross. The shit DOES matter A LOT, you fagshit. Basically ENTIRETY of Radical Dreamers' and Chrono Cross' very EXISTENCE, AS WELL AS DS' and PSOne's Chrono Trigger's """legitimacy""" as being any "canon" is UTTERLY ERASED by Crono Cross' Balthazar conundrum, as PSOne's Chrono Trigger ties it to Chrono Cross via PSOne-exclusive Masamune bad ending, while DS tries to tie it via DS-exclusive inclusion of Dream Devourer pseudo-ending! What this all means is that PSOne's and DS' Chrono Triggers NEVER HAPPENED and they're BOTH are ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY ILLEGITIMATE, due to what Crono Cross presents us with! ONLY Super Famicom's/SNES' Chrono Trigger ACTUALLY HAPPENED, ONLY Super Famicom's/SNES' Chrono Trigger is the ONLY absolutely CANONICALLY LEGITIMATE GAME! PSOne's Chrono Trigger NEVER happened, DS' Chrono Trigger NEVER happened, Radical Dreamers and Chrono Cross BOTH DON'T-FUCKING-EXIST AT-FUCKING-ALL! IT ALL ENDED IN Super Famicom's/SNES' CHRONO TRIGGER! THIS IS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE CHRONO TRIGGER!

The ENTIRETY of Chrono Cross is Balthazar's doing, Chronopolis, Time Crash, and ALL of the other shit. By creating Time Crash, Balthazar gets transported to 12000 B.C., THE FUCKING ZEAL ANTIQUITY TIME OF CHRONO TRIGGER! WHICH CAUSES PARADOX SINCE THIS AUTOMATICALLY MEANS 2300 A.D.'S BALTHAZAR NEVER EXISTED, BECAUSE BALTHAZAR BUILT CHRONOPOLIS IN CHRONO CROSS, NOT CHRONO TRIGGER! AND CHRONO CROSS' TIMELINE IS THAT OF 1000+ A.D.'S AFTER LAVOS' DEFEAT IN 1999 A.D.! CHRONO CROSS NEVER TOOK PLACE, BECAUSE CHRONOPOLIS WAS NEVER BUILT, BECAUSE 2300 A.D. NEVER EXISTED AND BALTHAZAR NEVER GAVE EPOCH TO CRONO, THUS CRONO COULDN'T DEFEAT LAVOS IN 1999 A.D., THUS CRONO NEVER TRAVELLED TO 2300 A.D. AND NEVER MET BALTHAZAR TO OBTAIN EPOCH FROM HIM TO TRAVEL IN 1999 A.D. TO FIGHT LAVOS! AND SINCE IT'S ASSUMED BALTHAZAR BUILT CHRONOPOLIS IN 2400 A.D. OF THE DEFEATED-LAVOS' CRONO-ALTERED FUTURE TIMELINE, THIS MAKES HIS TIME CRASH-TIME TRAVEL TO 12000 B.C. A TIME PARADOX AND AN ABSOLUTE IMPOSSIBILITY, BECAUSE NEITHER HE NOR CHRONOPOLIS EXISTED ANY IN THE NEW CRONO-CREATED TIMELINE!

>>5084067
I think you're in the wrong place. And I don't jst mean /vr/. That'd be an underage shitpost even on /b/

>>5084338
Slit your wrists, now.

>>5084091
ITS A STORY GAME

>>5084407
Just ignore the calodooty kid.

>>5084553
At least cawwadoody kids play games for the gameplay.

Storyfags need to be gassed.

>>5084067
>>5084107
>>5084196
This shit is fucking unreadable, sorry. Learn to format your posts and stop typing in all caps.

>>5084584
>>5084591
Off yourself, illiterate POS.

I found this

Chrono Cross was a mistake

>>5084667
Maximum fucking autism, since Chrono Cross never happened due to absolutely unresolved massive piem taradox.


>>5084670
Not really. Scenario/story-wise, yes, it's a fucking mess, but gameplay and design-wise it's a very good game. The problem with it, however, is that you seriously can't ignore all inconsistencies and that ruins the experience greatly even for those who never played Chrono Trigger. They really should sticked with Guile being Magus and other things, essentially doing Radical Dreamers in 3D, instead of going and 'dun goofing it all the fuck up with Schala "Harle Kid" Zeal, Balthazar and other inane shit. The situation was worsened immensely when PSOne's and DS' ports of Chrono Trigger came, which catered to Chrono Cross' ineptness and tried to tie CT to CC. Very big mistake. I still sincerely believe they have a chance to redeem themselves with fixing everything up with the third installment in the series, but we definitely won't see that one anytime even in the remotely foreseeable future (not any sooner than 2028 at the earliest, I think)...or they could fuck everything up even further.

>>5084067
>>5084107
>>5084196

Only thing I remember is that big black flying tower, that level was cool

>>5084667
And none of it happened because he erased himself from existence by fucking up the continuity via traveling back to 12000 B.C. through Time Crash. Lots of text for fucking nothing, erasing Chrono Cross' very notion of existence from series' logical and canonical timeline. Only SNES'/Super Famicom's Chrono Trigger happened and that's it - everything else is a fucking delirious FANFIC. Fan-fucking-tastic.

Massive autism OP holy shit

Virgin nerd

>>5084756
Neck yourself, kid.

>>5084630
Why don't you read a book if you want an actually good story?

Games were not meant for telling a narrative. They were meant to be PLAYED.

>>5084893
>RPG
>Story doesn't matter
A retard-a-you.

do you sincerely think I will read all that shit nigga?

>>5084696
You mean Trigger's Black Omen? That's a star destroyer.

>>5084067

They are turning the time lines gaaaay!

>>5084067
is this /vr/‘s version of the “asuka is a doll” poster on /a/?

>OP providing actual discussion about the content of a game
>gets shit on
>meanwhile 99% of threads are filled with 1 line quips and zero meaningful insight

fuck this website

>>5084929
You should.

>>5085049
Don't forget, you're here forever.

>>5085049
this

>>5085025
Super Play?
Why the fuck are they using Japanese names, even though they're a British magazine? They were reviewing a Japanese import on a Super Famicom?

>>5085028
>Asuak is a doll
Huh? What are you on about? Explain.

smile, retreat backwards and make no sudden moves.

>>5084067
You are correct, but i'm surprised how passionate you are about this, because this game is filled - start to finish - with inconsistencies and superfluous pseudo-intellectual drivel; because it is designed for children/teenagers.

When I was a kid playing this game, I figured there would be some point where it all comes to make sense, and when I reached that point, I figured that I wasn't smart enough to figure it out or something because none of it made sense.

Then played it again as an adult, having played significantly more JRPGs and finding all the trends in them. You can tell that Chrono Cross story developer just intentionally put no effort into making a sensical, consistent story - as we felt as kids was expected and required..

>>5086220
>this game is filled - start to finish - with inconsistencies
Not really. It's only in the shitshow of a scenario/story, not other elements. What makes things worse, is the fact they've basically had a chance to make it all right when they developed Radical Dreamers, but they've gone and 'dun goofucked it all up when they radically (no pun intended) reworked a ton and turned Magus into Guile. That was the biggest mistake of theirs. They've fucked up, and wrote completely nonsensical script/scenario/story over it to try and hide all of the fuck ups they made. When this game just came out, many people treated it in a very high regard because overall critical vision on things in the gaming commune at the time was massively different, so people by absolutely largest part didn't "notice" most of the bad things Chrono Cross had inside, only seeing good things of it's presentation, the eye candy and other shit. And this kept on going for longer than a decade. Only by the end of late 2010s some people finally appeared who saw Chrono Cross for what it actually is, turning a completely unbiased look at it. And the shitstorm finally began.

>>5086442
every jrpg and a lot of other japanese game like metal gear solid all have this. dont make the game bad. you cant make sense of it, and it contradict itself often etc, but it is just something to think about, its a video game.. chrono cross is no better or worse story than any other jrpg.. if anything, its just slightly better since it tries to be somethi different ; and if you count the immersive world into the story then its really amazing story.

i will be happy if chrono break makes no sense, contradicts itself, inconsustent, "non-canon" etc if it gives the magical feeling from playing CT/CC. the unique gameplays that require some thought, unique and interesting worlds, music, and imo the pacing

>>5086538
>Don't make the game bad
I'm not. I never considered Chrono Cross a bad game. I fucking LOVE it, actually. But the fuck up with Balthazar is a truly immense one, this can't be argued with. Chrono Cross literally erased itself, Radical Dreamers, AND PSOne's & DS' ports of Chrono Trigger from franchise's existence of relevance by this one single massive fuck up alone. Only SNES'/Super Famicom's Chrono Trigger is 100% legit now, due to this. Everything else is an uncanon fanfic that doesn't exists in continuity.

god what did we do to fucking deserve such a shit follow up to chrono fucking trigger?

>>5086640
Nomura happened. He was the main culprit in providing the idea of Radical Dreamers initially, which in itself led to the creation of Chrono Cross later. So blame Nomura for everything. There is a reason why entirety of Kingdom Hearts series is just as utterly nonsensical and completely fucked up story/scenario-wise as Chrono Cross is. It's all Nomura.

>>5084702
It's called the time crash for a reason.

>>5084667
I remember reading all that shit and assuming it was the translator missing something but now I agree with
>>5086220

>>5084667
I'm gettin' too old for this shit

>>5086990
>Unironically trying to defend this SHITE
You forgot to enter the tripcode and log in, Nomura.

>>5086937
STOP IT
T
O
P

no one cares and the games themselves "erase themselves" multiple times throughout the game through inconsistencies. its all subjective, your perception of time travel / alternate timelines/dimensions.

make your own story with many characters and scenarios with time travel/alternate dimensions with zero inconsistencies.

sage

>>5087875
U seem MA.

>>5087950
(sage)
what does that mean and why do you think i would know what it means?

>>5085025
>keeps referring to him as "Chrono" and not "Crono"
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>5088217
Because p00r liTeraCy is kEwL.

>>5087982
DELICIA

>>5087212
Starting to look at Chrono Cross critically and seeing it for the shit it actually is, is like coming out of age. A good detector of immature kids and grown up adults.

Dime Tarapox intensifies

its better than trigger

>>5090585
0/10, you need to try way harder than just that.

>>5090592
trying hard leads to turning into whatever the that retarded op is, no thanks

Jesus.

All Cross does is ultimately remove Lavos from existence at the moment he merged with Schala during the Fall of Zeal. The Sages still get shunted through time, there isn't more than one Balthazar.

I'm honestly surprised that OP reached the correct conclusion (Cross technically doesn't happen) but for all the wrong reasons.

>>5090623
>All Cross does is ultimately remove
itself, Radical Dreamers, and both PSOne's & SNES'/Super Famicom's ports of Chrono Trigger from the list of relevance, turning them all into absolutely uncanon fanfics.

>>5090623
>remove Lavos from existence at the moment he merged with Schala during the Fall of Zeal
No, you fucking retard, that's not how that worked. Time Devourer is NOT Dream Devourer (the Lavos the moment it teleported to Eclipse shortly after Schala was sent there by Mammon), because Dream Devourer was a very early, FRESH state, while Time Devourer is a MATURED, later stage, evolved and almost-completed. They're not same things and they're not happening in same time window, so when Serge and his team liberate Schala from imprisonment in Time Devourer's core, it's NOT same timeline as when Schala was just merged with Lavos (thus making Dream Devourer), they were NOT fighting Time Devourer in 12000 B.C. (Fall of Zeal/Antiquity/Defeat of Dragonians), but in the 1020 A.D. of the post-defeated by Crono erased-2300 A.D.'s timeline, the REAL dimension, NOT alternative one. "Home" world is ALTERNATIVE one, while "Another" world is REALITY, THE CONTINUUM OF WHERE LAVOS WAS DEFEATED BY CRONO. And Porre invaded Guardia in REAL world. That is LEGITIMATE timeline, while "Home" world is NOT legitimate. And fight with Time Devourer happens in "Another" world's dimension's timeline.

Holy autism batman. You should stay on /v/

>>5090631
>>5090654
Please tell me you're the same guy because I don't think I can handle two completely delusional idiots agreeing with each other for crossed reasons.

>>5090598
>>5090746
>>5090771
U seem MA

>>5084630
If you were literate you'd know the writing in video games is bottom of the barrel garbage. Also suggesting suicide can get you convicted of manslaughter don't do it.

>>5090825
>writing in video games is bottom of the barrel garbage
You need to try way harder than just that, kid.

>>5090825
Holy shit what a fucking imbecile you are. Leave this site and never come back.

>>5086538
>chrono break

>>5092336
>There are still people who sit, believe, and wait™

>>5084670
post more big tiddy ayla

>>5092465
I'd rather big teddy Leah (Ayla's mom), but hey, to each his own.

>>5092336
Why are you posting Shenmue?

>>5084067
Didn't staff more or less say that it wasn't even a sequel? A lot? The story is really dumb in Cross, but it's possible that the Balthazar fuckup isn't even an accident.

I mean yeah, there's more connections between the two than you'd think, but they're mostly just small things. Like the original prehistoric era and how the Earth is referenced.

>>5092457
It would be a fun idea, there's a lot of stuff to work with. Square would fuck it up hard though, and wouldn't even really glance at the untapped potential because we gotta fanservice.

For example, there's implications everywhere that the Lavos problem is an intergalactic one. What the hell is going on in other planets? Was the universe already too far gone by CT? Obviously those events wouldn't mean shit elsewhere.

>>5093006
>it wasn't even a sequel? A lot?
Except that it happens directly 20 years later after CT, in the same universe, and includes a ton of important characters from the game.
>Earth is referenced
It's the same planet (the "Entity"), you shitstain.

>>5093015
>Lavos problem is an intergalactic one
Final Fantasy VII.avi

>>5093015
>Starship Troopers with Lavos Spawn
Shut up and take my money.

>>5093035
It's called Warhammer 40K, famalam.

>>5090654
>that's not how that worked
That's exactly how it worked.

>Time Devourer is NOT Dream Devourer
>Time Devourer is a MATURED, later stage
So then it's the same entity, by your own proof. Whether you're fighting the young Lavos/Schala or the old Lavos/Schala is irrelevant because using the Chrono Cross removed Lavos from existence at that point in time and resolves pretty much everything.
It really is that simple. You should have also gleaned from all the responses you're getting that you're overthinking everything (meaning, you're wrong).
Don't bother replying, hiding this trash thread because there's no reason to think you'll actually read what I said with any degree of clarity nor will you let it convince you of your delusion.

>>5093047
You are a fucking moron, holy shit.
You seriously don't get it.

Yes, the whole point of Chrono Cross was to erase itself from existence, to right the wrong of Dalton and Lynx's actions

>>5093157
Dalton's build of Porre army and invasion of Guardia still happens EVEN in SNES'/Super Famicom's original first release, you dumb fuck. There is no wrong in that one. Lynx can eat shit, yes, but Dalton's ark is CANON. Even if Radical Dreamers or Chrono Cross were drastically (for much better or much worse, doesn't matter) different games from what we've got on our hands in the end, they'd still HAD to include Dalton's Porre invasion scenario setup in a sequel nonetheless, because it's a part of ORIGINAL Chrono Trigger's unresolved cliffhanger story.
Basically what I'm saying here, is that Guardia would've been fucked by Porre in the sequel REGARDLESS of what that sequel would've been.

>>5087246

>>5093157
>to right the wrong of Dalton and Lynx's actions
Chrono Cross ends with Schala being freed from Time Devourer and Time Devourer is destroyed, but it doesn't reverse the actions done/time passed, you dumb fuck. They free Schala, but it continues from there, in modern time of the day at 1020 A.D. of the Crono-created dimension in which Lavos was defeated. It doesn't fix jack shit, as Lavos still fell in 65000000 B.C., 12000 B.C.'s Zeal and Dragonians with Balthazar still happen, and all other shit (except only for Lavos' 1999 A.D. and post-Lavos 2300 A.D., as these two were absolutely erased from the continuity). So no, Chrono Cross doesn't fix jack shit and only fucks up everything even more. It erases itself, as well as PSOne's and DS' Chrono Trigger ports and Radical Dreamers, only at the state of being any relevant or canon, not as the story itself. It's a fucking garbage fanfic that fucked the franchise up very badly. That's why it never, nor Radical Dreamers, nor PSOne's or DS' CTs, ever happened any.

>>5093231

I ain't playing through CT or CC, but are there any games like these where someone will sperg out and post 71 pages of theories about it just because not everything is crystal fucking clear about the plot

>>5093323
See Radiant Historia, Shadow Hearts/Koudelka series, entirety of Megami Tensei franchise, Baroque, El Dorado Gate, first SaGa Frontier, Silent Hill series (mainly only first four games), Hollow Knight, entirety of X franchise, entirety of Guilty Gear and KoF franchises, Xenogears, Kamurai, entirety of Eiyuu Densetsu franchise (includes Xanadu/Faxanadu and other shit), entirety of Kingdom Hearts franchise.

Chrono Trigger never happened.

When you run into Marle in the past and she disappears, Luca then says it's because something happened in the past which made her no longer exist. This would mean that she wouldn't exist in the future, thus Crono would never run into her, never take her to the teleporter demonstration, never have her pendant affect the machine and never give anyone any reason to go back in time.

The game ends when Marle disappears.

>>5093323
FF6

>>5093481
And VII for that matter.

>>5093478
Off yourself.

>>5093489
My death would not stop CT from contradicting its own rules ten minutes into the game.

Why is Time Devourer of the elemental: white. Why isn't it white/black or all or none?

>>5093510
Because it's not Lavos' element, but Schala's, since she was absorbed/merged partially with it.
Strangely enough, Kidd's element is Red (and she's Schala's clone), while Harley's is Black (and she's another version of Kid-clone too).

CC really should have been more like RD. Guile should have been Magus and a big part of the story. More spooky shit

>>5093928
>should have been more like RD
There are enough visual novels out there.

The echoing autism across cyberspace
Confirms Chrono Cross and Trigger's place
Amongst the games great of all time
Thankz for reading zis zilly rhyme!
Au revoir!

>>5094753

>>5094753
U seem MA

>>5084923
hey, come back to this thread so i tell you to kys in real time

>>5095626
U seem MA

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>People are still butthurt about Chrono Cross

Chrono Cross is pretty much the kind of sequel any game with time travel should have. It's pretty much about the consequences Crono and Co.'s time fuckery had on the planet.

>>5097857
Chrono Cross FUCKS UP and CONTRADICTS all of the actions Crono and his friends made, you DUMB shit. Hell, they even RIDICULE Serge for it IN THE GAME ITSELF, you fucking underage toddler trash!

>>5097884
Sorry lad that doesn't stop CC from being superbly aesthetic and memorably melancholy. In fact, it adds to it.

>>5097943
Slit your wrists, you underage fagshit.

>>5097857
>>5097943
People like you are the main reason why Square turned into shit almost immediately since after the ABSOLUTELY PURE PERFECTION that was Final Fantasy VIII. It's because of you that FF IX turned to be underwhelming disappointing garbage and it's because of you that Spirits Within was made to begin with.

This was during a time when stories didn't, or rarely, continue between games. It's simple; Cross and Trigger were never meant to be related, it was only afterwards that they realized how they fucked up. Trying to connect the two in some stupid way is autism of the highest order. There is simply no way that they were thinking about the future of the series while making Trigger, especially is such a subtle and stupid way.

>>5085034
Gotta get that Toriyama laughing for my Dragon Ball shit posting on /a/.

>>5097943
A man of taste

>>5098380
>Cross and Trigger were never meant to be related
Radical Dreamers.avi
>There is simply no way that they were thinking about the future of the series while making Trigger
See/read >>5093219.

Also - Radical Dreamers is 1996, only a fucking YEAR after Chrono Trigger and THREE years before Chrono Cross. Just Saiyan.

>>5098361
Don't you have a Rinoa body pillow you should be tending to right now?

>>5098413
Just because some characters were reused doesn't mean the story continued or was all one part. Look at Breath of Fire.

>>5098419
Rinoa is fucking kiddie scrubshit trash for noobs that don't know jack shit about FF VIII.
The true patrician choices are Selphie, Quistis, and 風神.
If you fap to Rinoa - you don't know jack shit about FF VIII and your tastes are utter shit.

>>5098413
>>5098430
>Chrono Cross is not a sequel to Chrono Trigger. Had it been, it would have been called Chrono Trigger 2. Our main objective for Chrono Cross was to share a little bit of the Chrono Trigger worldview, while creating a completely different game as a means of providing new entertainment to the player.
Literally from the mouth of the creator, so, this entire thread is pointless.

>>5098450
>from the mouth of the creator
See >>5086653, you retard.

>>5098446
You still have garbage taste in girls anyways, come back when you can appreciate a real woman like Terra.

>>5098451
lol, keep making excuses for your autism-fueled theorycrafting, kid. You were just BTFO'd.

>>5098452
>got owned
>moves the goalpost
This is a board for grownups, not underage fagshits such as you.

>>5098450
The game LITERALLY happens in 1020 A.D. of Crono-defeated-Lavos-in-1999A.D.'s continuity, you DUMB cocksucking IMBECILE. It's a DIRECT sequel of Chrono Trigger. They FUCKED UP and tried to MINIMIZE damage done, but THEY FUCKED UP AT THAT TOO.

>>5098471
Blow it out your ass, 8fag

>>5098475
Stay mad, IX-shit eating kiddie scrubfag.

>>5098479
>IX
Nah, I don't like any of the PSX era FFs, they're pure trash compared to 4, 5 and 6

>>5098485
>4, 5
Shit-eater in a nut.

>>5098501
Those are both great games, sorry you can't grasp them because they're not FMV infested shitshows

>>5098504
>4, 5
>Great
Only if you're a coprofag.
IV is only "barely tolerable" at it's 3D iteration (After Years including), while V is downright "mediocre all way through".

>>5098361
Wow there's a lot of mad ITT
>>5097952
I'm 24 sorry CC isn't as close to your animes as CT

>>5098520
>24
Yep, underage confirmed, just as I thought.

>>5098512
They're still better than Dawson's Creek: The JRPG

>>5098530
>Dawson's Creek: The J-RPG
That'd be Type-0/XV, indeed.

>>5098475
>>5098485
>>5098504
>>5098530

FF = 5/10.
FF II = 5/10.
FF III = 4/10
FF IV = 7/10.
FF V = 6/10.
FF VI = 9/10.
FF VII = 8/10.
FF VIII = 10/10.
FF IX = 4/10.
FF X = 4/10.
FF X-2 = 3/10.
FF XI = 7/10.
FF XII = 6/10.
All three of XIII Fecal Fartasses = 2/10.
FF XIV (original) = 3/10.
FF XIV (Realm Reborn) = 6/10.
FF XV (original) = 5/10.
FF XV (super-deformed) = 6/10.
Tactics (original) = 9/10.
Tactics (War of Lions) = 7/10.
Tactics Advance = 6/10.
Tactics A2 = 7/10.
Crystal Chronicles = 6/10.
Chocobo Dungeon = 5/10.
Chocobo Dungeon 2 = 7/10.
Chocobo Racing = 8/10.
Dissidia = 5/10.
Dissidia 012 = 6/10.
Dissidia NT = 4/10.
Type-0 (original) = 5/10.
Type-0 (HD remaster) = 7/10.
World of Final Fantasy = 6/10.
Dirge of Cerberus = 4/10.
Before Crisis = 6/10.
Crisis Core = 6/10.
After Years = 7/10.

>>5098547
These are questionable opinions, at best.

I'd suggest you eat shit but I'm sure you do that already.

>>5098573
Nice non-argumentation, kid.

>>5098581
Fair enough. For starters, how in the fuck can you rate FFIX and FFX as lower than FF and FFII?

>>5098584
Because IX and X are underwhelming garbage and FF & FF II much better games, even if not by every aspect.

>>5098547
I will agree that VIII is the peak of the series, but you're the mayor of Jokesville if you think XV is better than IX, X, or even Dissidia.

>>5098716
FF XV is very short and has many flaws, no arguing that, but inside in on itself as a video game it's actually not bad at all. Sure, there's no point in playing through it more than once, but that one single full play-through can be a pretty decent experience. And game actually looks massively gorgeous when fully maxed out on PC, unlike on consoles. The super-deformed release is actually better, even, as it plays more like a traditional FF game than the original FF XV release. There's nothing wrong or inaccurate in my scoring of this game, in this regard. "5 out of 10" is "absolute mediocrity" in my rating system, it barely hinges on the edge before becoming bad. Graphics/animations and decent gameplay is what saves FF XV from being worse than just mere "5 out of 10", but I never said it's a good FF entry. And yes, in that regard it IS better than UNDERWHELMING GARBAGE that are short-as-fuck and utterly predictable IX with STRAIGHT-AS-A-STICK (only XIII are worse in this regard) and INFANTILE X.

As for Dissidia series - it's just a bad fighting game. All of them. But 012 is better than first one, while NT dropped the ball hard. They're all mediocrities, however.

I dont care.

what the fuck is going on

>>5098806
>I'm illiterate, I can't read OP's post

>>5098806
XV kun lmao

>>5084067
>>5084107
>>5084196
>>5084407
Sorry OP BUT I'm AFRAID that YOU have AUTISM.

>>5084067
Chrono trigger
>amazing different time eras to explore, all with kickass music, amazing scenery, fitting moods and diverse evolving geography

Chrono cross
>same fucking place...twice

Fuck that piece of shit "game".

>>5084682
>gameplay
>design-wise

Shut up. The strong, mid, weak attack mechanic was fucking useless and pointless. The techs were ridiculously limited and weak and pointless and lame. 85 characters all with zero development. Muh color matching minigame as the final boss. Muh saga frontier like levelling system that nobody wants.

It was all complete shit.

>>5086653
No radical dreamers is not the culprit. The culprit is whichever faggot decided to shove the chrono cross universe into RD/trigger's cuz they realized if they dont the game will make zero money cuz its absolute shit.

Chrono Cross has a higher metacritic rating than Chrono Trigger (for the DS).

Ergo Chrono Cross is a better game than Chrono Trigger, and a well deserved sequel.

Chrono Cross has the best story in the history of video games because it has the balls to actively shit on everything the main characters of the prequel accomplished, and it makes autists so fucking mad. It's the best.

>>5099080
Nice non-argumentation, kid.

>>5099140
>Muh SaGa Frontier-like leveling system that nobody wants
You take that back, you assshit. You've clearly never played a hardcore PC RPG (from which such system takes base), otherwise you'd wouldn't be spouting such retarded trash. There's is ) things wrong with such kind of a leveling system, it's just you being utter-fucking lamer scrubshit kindergartner toddler trash at playing any system harder than "muh-ez-peasy-get-EXP-level-up-all-stats". If anything, it's not Saga Frontier system, you dumb shit, but hardcore PC RPG system like that of Elder Scrolls, where it's originated. You're absolutely free in deciding yourself what parameters to level, you're not bound to predetermined progression. Fucking cuck, you are.

>>5099146
>The culprit is whichever faggot decided to shove the Chrono Cross universe into RD/Trigger
1. Chrono Cross is LITERALLY "expanded/revamped Radical Dreamers". Radical Dreamers was basically "pilot episode" of thins to come. It'd be same shit either way.
2. Dalton's building of Porre army with eventual and INEVITABLE invasion of Guardia is in the ORIGINAL FUCKING SNES/SUPER FAMICOM RELEASE, you dumb fagshit. It'd happened EITHER WAY, in ANY SEQUEL, regardless of WHAT it would've been. Because that particular cliffhanged line is CANON, due to it being in ORIGINAL VERY FIRST RELEASE OF CHRONO TRIGGER. Yes, THAT was planned AND was done FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. Meaning THEY PLANNED SEQUEL EVEN THEN, IN 1994/1995. Enjoy your buttmad.
3. The culprit IS Nomura, you dumb fagshit, because it was THE Noruma and no other who almost-completely proposed and coined the ENTIRE idea of both the Radical Dreamers AND Chrono Cross later, to the dev team. How Radical Dreamers looked and played, what characters it had, how they look, it's story - ALL of it was Nomura's brainfart of a child. Same with Chrono Cross later. Also a little bit of Nojima's drug addiction.

Nomura and Nojima are the single sole reason why we have Balthazar and other inane unresolved contradicting Chrono Trigger shit in Chrono Cross. As well as such garbage shit as Poshul, Mojo, GLENN that "isn't THAT Glenn, but STILL CLEARLY GLENN", not-Magus "Guile" Magus, Masamune turning evil, and mermaid/demi-human zoophilia. Also, It's a very well known fact that Nomura faps to Sailor Moon AND Usagi Tsukino in particular A LOT, that's why Marcy is LITERALLY fucking Usagi by design. All of this shit is Nomura's "creations".

>>5099190
1/10, you need to try way harder than just that.

Huh...

>>5099149
>>5099190
Slit your wrists.

>>5098806
Classical 4chan...fat neckberds yelling "factches" about video games... It's ok, just play your games and don't let them dictate you what you like anon!