/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5062838
Idk Mario 1? I could never beat it

>>5062848
To be fair I don't think anyone else on this board beat mario 1 the "proper" way either.

>>5062838
F-Zero GX Story Mode

>>5062838
Special Operations 2. That fucking double Fralthra run is goddamned impossible.

>>5062880
Wait, the double Fralthra mission was SO1, not SO2.

>>5062838
probably MMX6. dont know any other game that makes you pay with your entire LIVES just for getting in the wrong room

Any of the 8 bit Megaman games

half the Amiga library.

>>5062838
Trying to one-credit Gunbird 2, Zero Gunner 2 or Cannon Spike.

>>5062937
1all gunbird is actually pretty easy.

>>5062934
OP did ask for games, not cool graphics wrapped around half assed gameplay

>>5062939
I wonder how many faggots who parrot this meme have actually played a substantial amount of Amiga/Commodore/etc. games.

>>5062951
I'm only here to play JRPGs.

>>5062858
Shut up with this would ya

>>5062858
Once as a kid.
Don't think I can claim more than once. But I know I did it once, because I remember getting right pissed off at a few certain jumps in world 8 a lot. As well as my determination to actually beat all the games I owned.

The one that I haven't actually done however; is TMNT. I did do it in recent years with liberal use of save scumming just because I wanted to at least experience the whole game and see how close we actually managed (very).
But there's no way in high hell we'd have ever managed to do the hallway of retarded doom before shredder. Who is about as much of a joke as Rocksteady was when you Donatello cheesed him from atop the crates.
>Did pretty much the same thing to Shredder... beat him first try, not hit once. Guess they felt sorry for any sap that made it through the hall of retardation.

>>5062951
Well, I'm not sure how many people around here aren't fucking 45

>>5062954
I'm only here to finger my ass while talking about 1ccing games. It's the only way I can cum anymore

>>5062961
Yeah, playing old games on a retro board? Where did anyone get that idea lmfao

>It's the Dark Souls of platformers.

The car section in pic related. https://youtu.be/VyOZldNK_o4?t=13m52s

It's near the end, you get 6 tries (if you're lucky) to get it right, you get zero warning when it comes up & about 3 seconds to get your bearings and the jumps need split second timing. Fuck this game and fuck Sinclair.

>>5062858
I have it recorded on VHS.

>>5063043
>fuck Sinclair
A black background and single-colored sprites of random shit that try to kill you was basically the 80s PC way of saying "bend over".

>>5062938
He said Gunbird 2 which is much, much harder than the first one and one of the hardest if not the hardest Psikyo games to 1-ALL

>>5062996
At least you can cheese through DS and have unlimited lives, Rayman on the other hand won't even open up its final level with cheats.

And don't get me started on the edutainment titles.
Think a wrong answer results in a bit of health-loss?
This is Rayman, motherfucker - here, have a dozens red instant-death spikeballs spawn around you!

>>5063056
I don't believe this game was even play-tested hence the huge difficulty spike. It's a game that is loved and hated at the same time. Beautiful visuals/graphics and a kino soundtrack. This is definitely a PS1 classic that pushed the console to its limit.

>>5063060
>I don't believe this game was even play-tested

Michel Ancel even admitted that it wasn't.

>>5062858
I have, multiple times. No, I didn't use the 1-up trick, continues, cheats, or savestates, either.

Frankly, it should be a requirement for posting on /vr/.

TMNT. Fuck that game.

I was never able to beat the original X-Wing game. I got to the second-to-last mission.

>>5063135
No, you did not. Nice try fitting in though.

>>5063182
It's really easy to do. I often play hacks that make the game harder.

>>5063182
C'mon man anybody can plow through SMB in an hour or less

>>5063182
What's wrong with you? Yeah I had trouble with SMB when I was 7, but still managed to beat it without using the 1up trick (frankly I found the 1up trick harder than beating the game). And even then, if I'd though to just start my jump 1 tile earlier (pic related) rather than trying to adjust in midair, I wouldn't have gotten stuck for so long.

Seriously, if you've played through Super Mario Brothers enough times it gets really easy. Everything can be memorized. There are lots of harder games.

Gremlins 2

Battle Toads

Tatsujin Ou. All the previously mentioned games combined are still a joke compared to it, even credit feeding
(with the exception of this >>5062937 which come close though their challenge is severely lowered with credit feeding)

>>5062858
I played the whole game through when I was 5 then got too nervous at the last stage to keep playing. My brother beat it for me. We did the same thing with Contra.

>>5062838
Spelunker is epic. You have to pay attention all the time or a tiny drop can kill you. The controls are perfect for the game, but don't follow common platforming standards so you have to actually learn the game's mechanics to git gud.

>>5062858
Never as a kid, cause that game feels very longwinded and samey if you've already touched any of the immediate sequels (including SMB2J/Lost Levels). Did it as a grown up for completions sake and you know what? There's exactly one or two proper difficult sections in the game. Not entire levels, just sections, and all of them involve not being big and timing a run past hammer bros.

Beating SMB1 the "proper" way is in no way a big deal and I don't know what makes you believe it would be. Maybe you just need to play some videogames?

Let's be absolutely real, the hardest game ever is probably some Action 52 tier garbage that is barely playable and not worth talking about.

>>5063572
Hell yeah it's epic! I never got the weird disdain the game seems to spawn. I mean you die easy, but everything in the game is super consistent and predictable, it's just a tight little ruleset to learn. It's even really cute about the deaths in a charmingly bastard way, so it's kinda hard to be frustrated about it.

>>5064135
I doubt it, post a video of you doing it while holding a sign saying "/vr/". SMB1 is almost impossible.

>>5062910
it's hilarious how awfully frustrating the game itself is, but signma ends up being a joke. literally th easiest final bost fight. I remember myself being so afraid of facing Sigma, considering how hard the game is, and how awful Sigma is in the past games, only to laugh in the end.

>>5062838
Probably a free roguelike.

Days of Thunder for the NES. Everything is set up to disadvantage the player; the CPU cars are impervious to wear and g-forces, and never need to pit. Pit stops alone are half the challenge, as the crew are useless as tits on a bowl.

>>5064149
So this is the hot new maymay to replace dual orb 2 then?

>>5063487
It's funny how kids can get psyched out like that

>>5063043
That's the game where you need to select 6 out of 20 or so items at the start of the game, and if you selected anything other than the 6 correct ones you can't beat the game, right?

The original Castlevania is pretty hard

>>5063043
>That fucking music

magician lord

Beating both of these as a kid remains to date my greatest video game accomplishment.

People abusing saved states and youtube solutions still struggle with Solomon's key. Meanwhile most players ragequit deadly towers after spending 30 minutes lost in the first labyrinth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dihmeu0bbc

>>5065494
Deadly Towers gets memed as a bad game but it's actually pretty good. The only issue IMO is common enemies need like a dozen hits to die. Also, the game pretty much REQUIRES you to draw maps. I love the music, it's amazing. I'd like to find a romhack that let you kill common enemies in a couple hits.

>>5062838
Have this, OP

>>5062858

Is not beating Mario 1 the new Dual Orb 2?

>>5062838
I.V.A.N.

Not much else retro comes close

From my limited experience as a kid, Dr. Chaos was the hardest for me to figure out. I bought it without a manual and had never played an adventure hybrid before. After watching someone play it on youtube decades later I felt pretty stupid for not figuring it out. Still haven't gone back to beat it, but Halloween is coming up and it has the most badass spooky intro ever, so maybe I'll give it a go again.

I can't recall the hardest in difficulty. There have been a good amount of games I've had to give up on for a number of reasons. But I'll say Sub-Terrania for the sake of discussion, and because I remember my friend and I trying for weeks to beat this damn game. Good memories.

>>5065978
Ok, so maybe it isn't as great as I remember haha - https://youtu.be/-50AwR32Kdg - Still pretty cool, though.

>>5065964
>I.V.A.N.

Really dude? That's just bananas.

>>5064542

I assumed it was an antipiracy thing and the solution's in the manual. Some websites say it's there, and one typed copy of the manual has it. But a bunch of Spectrum/C64 mags posted the right items in their hints section (which they would never do if was about piracy), and I can't find it anywhere in pic related. Instead, there's

>Don't worry too much about selecting the freedom kit. There will come
a point in the game where you will go no further but it looks as if you
should. At that point take careful note of where you are, restart the game
and select the item from the freedom kit that will help you on your way!

3 of the items (the jetpack, gas tank and passport) are only needed near the end of the game. From what I can tell, you're expected to complete almost the entire game 4 times, or even more if you screw up the items.

>>5064542

I assumed it was an antipiracy thing and the solution's in the manual. Some websites say it's there, and one typed copy of the manual has it. But a bunch of Spectrum/C64 mags posted the right items in their hints section (which they would never do if was about piracy), and I can't find it anywhere in pic related. Instead, there's

>Don't worry too much about selecting the freedom kit. There will come a point in the game where you will go no further but it looks as if you should. At that point take careful note of where you are, restart the game and select the item from the freedom kit that will help you on your way!

3 of the items (the jetpack, gas tank and passport) are only needed near the end of the game. From what I can tell, you're expected to complete almost the entire game 4 times, or even more if you screw up the items.

>>5065871
spelunker is a great game but once you figure out the game mechanics the game is literally already over because it's so short

>>5066050
I see what you did there friend!

>>5065794
I did not find drawing maps to be particularly helpful in Deadly Towers, because the dungeons loop at various points. Between the looping, the rooms all being more or less indistinguishable from each other, and how incredibly huge even the early dungeons are, I found it pretty much impossible to create a functional map.

I still somehow managed to complete the game, though.

>>5066058
Yeah, it's not copy protection. All of the items (or at least most) do have in-game uses and can be used to get past obstacles, it's just that the game is unbeatable unless you chose the 6 specific ones required. It's meant to be a puzzle, just a really goddamn evil one.

This makes F-Zero GX seem like MarioKart 50cc comparing to this. It may seem easy at first, but lemme tell you something about the latter half, especially the last ones: So hard & unforgiving, even TAS could struggle.

>>5063043
>>5065407
IT'S SIR DIGBY CHICKEN CAESAR

Ninja Gaiden is fucking unrelenting.

>>5062913
Recently beat 1 thru 5, Megan 3 was stupid hard.

I could never get past 2-2 on 1945-2

>>5066189
That fucked me up all those years ago, I was using graph paper for the deadly towers map and it never formed anything resembling a square grid. My brother and I sort of made fucntional maps exloring the less essentail dungeons and making lists of shops, but getting around was more about making a beeline to the exit and farming the tower/snake orb monsters

This makes Silver Surfer look like a cakewalk. One of the first enemies you encounter is a brain that flies into the middle of the screen and summons a bunch of spinning orbs that will hit you, and possibly kill you.

Swiv on Amiga.
Every time I ran out of lives, the game over screen would show you percentage completed. 97% completed was the highest I ever got. Thank god for youtube longplays or I would have never seen the ending.

Another World was really challenging, although it's really trial and error.

>>5066058

>Unauthorised copying, sharing or RESELLING strictly prohibited

Oh you Gremlin Graphics, trying to prevent people from reselling their bought games...

Top Banana

>>5062838
The hardest game is The Game.
Also, you just lost it.

>>5063481

I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned Battletoads. I seriously doubt most of vr has beaten it or even finished half of the game legit.

>>5062996
I always felt stupid for not being able to beat this as a kid

>>5062838
either ghouls n ghosts or streetfighter 2010 the final fight. but they are both really good games.

>>5062996
Is it worse than pic related?

The hardest game I've ever beat legitimately was probably Castlevania 1 or 3. The grim reaper in 1 is already a hard fight but the hallway leading up to him is fucking absurd. With the number of times I had to restart the level, I could probably breeze through everything but the hallway from muscle memory alone.

Otherwise the Build engine games on hardest difficulty were fucking ridiculous, Shadow Warrior and Blood in particular I could barely beat the first level withour abusing saves.

>>5062858
to be honest I never liked mario 1 enough to try to beat it.

>>5069521
I can make it to Dracula on both 1and 3 but have never beat him.

The original 6 Mega Man games and almost Castlevania. I can get to Dracula pretty reliably but I just can never best the fucker no matter what strategy I try

>>5063056
>Rayman on the other hand won't even open up its final level with cheats.

I used cheats to get to Mr Darks Castle when I was younger

>>5062858
>>5063135
this. i beat it on the famicom... no continues!

i dont know if it should be a requirement. only for nintendrones maybe.

>>5062858
What exactly is the "proper" way?

>>5069614
I'm assuming he meant no warps or 1-Up tricks

>>5069647
Oh, so the way countless kids from generation beat it, and pretty much every generation to follow ours? It's probably less a matter of raw skill in our case, though. We played what we had, and if you play anything for long enough you're going to get really good at it.

Super ghouls and ghosts.

>>5069693
Did you never play the original?

>>5069704
Sadly no. I have only seen speedruns and TAS runs of it.

>>5069589
He's hard in the original but definitely doable with patience. I find his fight in 3 ludicrously difficult.

>>5069712
Is it absolutely necessary to stock up on hearts beforehand in the original?

Jedi power battles was the hardest 3d platformer I ever played and that was mostly due to the shit camera and shit play control. Unless you stood i na sweet spot the camera would not pan over to offscreen platforms and you constantly had to make blind faith jumps into the abyss.

There could be a platform above or below you, and even if you did guess correctly and made that blind leap, the odds were good you would simply fall through the edge of that platform since everything was round. Round platforms in theed city. Round mushrooms in the naboo swamp. Every jump was perilous and playing co-op made the camera even worse. One player would make the jump, the other would not and the camera would shift and both players would be fucked off the edge of the screen.

>>5069726
And round pillars in tatooine, making the jumps and thinking you are dead center but fall to yor death anyway due to funny camera and perspective tricks. Fuck this was a dreadful game. It made me quit playing 3d platform games for years afterwords.

I never actually beat all of those Heroes of might and magic 3 expansion campaigns. Some of those were pretty rough.

Nethack being 2deep4u

>>5065494
>Beating Solomon's key
I am sincerely impresed. Hats off to ya.

>>5065494
>People abusing saved states and youtube solutions still struggle with Solomon's key. Meanwhile most players ragequit deadly towers after spending 30 minutes lost in the first labyrinth.
Mah nignog! Same here with Deadly Towers. Game gets loads of hate but it was pretty dope, imo.

beatmania iidx

>>5070087
To be fair I couldnt beat it at first. I would get to the early 40s and die too many times. It was about 2 years later when I learned that you could press up+A+B at come over screen to continue.

Continue didn't work after 41 but it was enough to not go all the way back to level 1 after dying.

>>5067543
cause the game is a broken pos

>>5069707
>>5069704

The NES game is easier - once you learn how to jump backwards and attack, the red devil's are a brease.

>>5070223
Shit I had no idea you could continue - gotta give it another shot

>>5069654
Exactly. We didn't play through the whole game as some kind of fucking challenge to prove to anyone else we could do it. We played through every level because it was far more fun than just skipping to 8 and getting stuck on the same spot for an hour.

>>5066050
My arms are just bananas now, too.

Crash Bandicoot N-Tranced 2.
this game literally made me cry when I was younger. just watching the gameplay of it pisses me of

In highschool I used to offer kids 50$ cash if they could beat the first stage of Back to the Future 3 on Genesis.
Never had to pay up.

Holy Diver.

>>5071294
I know that trick but the devil cavern still fucks me up. The reason I think the snes one is easier is because of the hidden armors you can find. You have no such luxuries in original

>>5071916
Ah - actually you can find hidden armor, including the devil cavern.

For the cavern, if you jump towards the wall while going up some stairs after the first or second devil, you'll find some (two little demons will spawn near by).

That said, not knowing the armor spawns makes the game an order of magnitude more difficult

>>5063150
>>5062960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dka5PZ84TI8

>>5063481
>>5067543

>>5072967
Go away mike
You know people dont like you here

>>5062996
This

>>5064138
Also this

Gradius 3. Fuck accident road, fuck boss on parade. Best damn soundtrack ever imo.

>>5069726
>>5069750
The crappy design was really the only thing that made the game difficult, once you learn where the game is likely to fuck you over jumps and screen transitions, and how to mitigate that mess, it's piss easy.

I could never beat Darth Maul as Plo Koon though.

>>5062838
I always found breakout clones like Arkanoid to be the most difficult.

>>5062838
I always found Breakout clones, like Arkanoid, to be the most difficult.

>>5069597
Holy water (especially upgraded holy water) trivializes second form of Dracula. You can just stunlock him forever while whipping his head.

Hell, most of the game is completely trivialized by using holy water. The movements of medusa heads and fleamen can just be blocked, and any remotely difficult enemy/boss can be stunlocked completely with just one upgrade. Basically feels like the subweapons are an obfuscated difficulty select, with people opting for cross accidentally picking hard mode.

>>5062996
>Beat this a year ago
>Have like 50 lives because whenever I died more than 10 times in a level I would reset (cause I knew I'd need them for the later levels, except I did pretty well on them)
>Revisit the save file a month later for kicks
>For some reason do Eat At Joe's
>Final segment takes me from 50 lives to 3

>>5066513
I thought 3 was the easiest(aside from 2 on "normal"). Only things that ever gave me a challenge was Shadow Man and one Rush Marine part because of the distance to a weapon capsule at the end of a run. Yellow Devil was so much easier as well, and Wily was a joke. I honestly think 1 is the hardest because the controls aren't as tight, but as you go through the series insta death bull shit becomes more common as well as new enemies spawning in new areas to knock you back into a pit. 5 also had that shitty Met looling thing in the circle that you could only shoot through the doors. 5 had easy robot masters for the most part, the battles were just so slow.

>>5062838
>the game of life
Seriously, Mario 2 JP
and Castlevania 2

>>5078290
Life's only bullshit because of the RNG and bitch ass NPCs. Calling a government office or a utility company is the equivalent of hunting for info in a poorly translated RPG village.

>>5062838
Starcraft 2 against any korean.

played a few games way back on C64 (ie NZ Story, Creatures) that weren't necessarily extremely difficult, but they were REALLY long with tonnes of levels and you only got a few lives so unless you used a lives cheat (which weren't readily available/known att) there was no way in hell you were beating them or even making it reasonably far into it

>still enjoyed the fuck out of them though