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China loves kof too

>>4670664
Because it looks gay as fuck.

>>4670669
Yeah it's really weird paradox, the ultimate elitist collector's console is also the most easily piratable.

>>4670694
I hate how creepily oversexualized the modern games have become, old SNK would never do such a thing.

>>4670664
BECAUSE it's popular in South America. Nobody wants to play with huehues.

Too kiddie for western audiences. Americans are more into manly stuff like Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct.

Because it's a 1on1 fighter, when casuals lose in a team game they can always blame their team mates but in a fighter you have only got yourself and your skills to blame.

every kof cabinet I've ever played on has had a broken joystick or unresponsive buttons

>>4670708
As far as SNK fighters go Samurai Shodown was more popular in America than you might think.

>>4670664
Purely anecdotal evidence, but I didn't see a single KOF arcade machine until the 2000s, and I have ever only seen about five of them in total in the USA over the years. And I go to quite a few arcades.

>>4670723
2 was popular, but the other 4 games in the rest of the series were not.

>>4670702
>OLD SNK WOOD NEVUH DOO DIS :’(
Mai exists solely to be Jiggling Tits: The Character, and she’s in more than a single casualized fan service game like what you posted. Get the fuck outta here until you’re 18+ faggot.

>>4670739
Get your porn out of my fighting games you moetard.

>>4670702
Probably because old SNK existed in a time when you didn't have to cater to otaku dicks to sell a console game or pull quarters in Japan.....oh wait what's this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPVq4FESV5s

>>4670664
The title screens look awful from 99 onwards.

Still the best fighting game of all time never catch on.

North America likes Mortal Kombat because omg edgy. Edge > gameplay, apparently.

>>4670850
Apparently to Japan softcore porn cheesecake > gameplay

>>4670850
>>4670853
So, Mexico wins?

>>4670826
Oh wow, I think saw 2 pixels of a nipple. I'm so hard right now I almost forgot I'm a virgin pedophile who still lives with his mom.

EL LLORI SE LOS MAMA A TODOS :V

>>4670867
>be argie
>read llori as "shori"
kek

>>4670869
>>be argie
kill yourself

>>4670875
We just have a bad reputation because of porteños assholes.
I'm a porteño and I can confirm we are assholes.

>>4670858
This is exactly why it's not pops outside of minority ethnicity zones. White faggots have no spine.

>>4670869
boludo te sabés la combi de terry?

The designs are so bad. It makes no fucking sense for a fighting game character to look like this.

>>4670889
acá le decimos el combo

>>4670901
Looks like a Pokémon trainer to me.

>>4670901
I'd impregnate her

>>4670913
Good luck, that's a dude.

>>4670917
That's a fag not a man.

>>4670920
Fags don't got wombs

Why do fighting games attract so many niggers and spics? Is it because they're low iq animals?

>>4671004
I'm blond, blue eyes, and I love fighting games.

>>4671014
Sure, you're ""white"" Brazilian

>>4671016
No, I'm a german blond guy.

>>4670901
I'm supposed to believe pic related is a professional sumo wrestler.

>>4671019
Let me guess, your family fled to Argentina during WW2

>>4671025
Well... you're not half wrong.

>>4671004
jesus christ just get good

>>4671030
The only winning move is not to play.

>>4670664
I do like fighting games is just KOF that is really fucking garbage. All characters look like emo k-pop pretty boys who look like they just left the hairdresser. What is this shit? Street Fighter doesn't look gay like this.

>>4670664
I mean, Street Fighter, specially 2 and 3rd, was much bigger here in br as far as I know and KoF was only popular because every bar/pub had a arcade with it btw.

>>4671047
You monkeys only played dated Neo Geo shit because you didn't have a choice.

>>4671040
Ambiguously Gay characters have always been a staple of SNK games.

>>4671054
Nigga that's straight up GAY

>>4670708
>Americans are more into manly stuff like Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct.

Europoors actually believe this

>>4671084
Don't think it's just Americans, Asians in general tend to be a lot more liberal about gender roles. It's the result of being literally raised on soy sauce and derived products.

I hate faggots that mains boss charcters in kof, they need to hang, or at least skinned alive by their local cartel.

>>4671051
Dat reading comprehension.

>>4671130
Good old Magic Plus 2, they made it so you can spam your retardadly broken Hidden SDM at any point and as many times as you want in the match. And everyone picked Rugal in their team.

>>4671130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crjo79WTFx4

>>4671154
It's true, why else would SNK shit be popular if not for CPS3 boards being too expensive for your empoverished economy.

>>4671165
CPS3 boards weren't popular anyway, they sold horribly everywhere.

>>4671305
What about the NAOMI that one was poplar

>>4671165
I remember seeing SFIII and stuff back in the day, KOF was simply more popular.

>>4670739
Dumbass false equivalence.
Mai was one character, now it's all the female characters.

>>4671021
that's the joke.jpg
can't decide if you actually have autism or not

>>4671040
Everybody in SFIV is the Incredible Hulk, so I get why you're confused

>>4671326
It's shit design for otaku homosexuals. Either make her control lightly and agile or make me a fucking proper Sumo wrestler damnit.

>>4671328
That's no excuse to turn everyone into a tranny.

More terrible character designs.

>>4671335
>confuses a young boy for a trans woman

>>4671337
Go play VF or something. I don't understand why you're even here.

>>4671341
>>4671345
To make fun of soyboy monkeys.

SNK really sets up a lot of traps

>>4671328
Capcom characters have been hulked out since Darkstalkers in 1994.

>>4670901
>>4671040
>>4671054
The skinny metrosexual style is popular with female otaku/fujos and they're a more profitable demographic than you probably think. Also, Japan doesn't associate a guy being delicate with being gay, in fact the gay stereotype over there is muscular and hairy and often in leather/bondage gear, see Hard Gay.
Benimaru is actually supposed to be a ladies' man, which is why he always has a special intro against all the pretty girls. Shermie has a similar flirty intro when fighting any pretty boy, which included Beni and Iori and all the guys you think look gay.

>>4671470
Yeah, this is correct. A lot of the KOF guys remind me of visual kei musicians.
Benimaru's hairdo reminds me of the guys from Buck-Tick.
Atsushi Sakurai (the frontman) makes a lot of girls really wet.

>>4671470
>Also, Japan doesn't associate a guy being delicate with being gay,
Of course they don't, the 11s look delicate themselves.

>>4671337
There has to be one you like.

>>4671510
>the newer designs are more sexualized
Eww. Misogyny.

>>4671510
'02 through '11 have dat hip sway and cute personality but I played a shitload of 97 back in the day so I have a huge soft spot for it. 97's outfit in '02-'11's style might just break my dick

>>4670702
Kula and Leona aren't that much more sexualized, they're just drawn really badly and look like generic anime characters instead of distinctive and interesting. What's sad is we're finally at a point where the graphics could look like moving Shinkiro art, but we'll probably never get it.

>>4671331
>>4671021
You're full on retarded. Having an unusual character for a fighting style is great. The schoolgirl shtick is a little lame, but other than that the concept is great.

The coolest KOF characters are those originated from Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting.
The original KOF characters are rather bland, although they were kind of a novelty back in the 90s, especially that Iori faggot.

Benimaru clearly isn't gay in the new KOF animation series.

>>4671510

'98 best game, best Athena.

>>4671021
>>4672416

What is she made of, lead? How dense is her body supposed to be?

>>4672645
Solid muscle

>>4672409
why do a lot of snk posters have the same creepy faces on all the characters?

>>4672658

Artist has a bad case of sameface syndrome.

>>4672658
>>4672658
He relies too heavily on photo reference and doesn't have a good ability for faces otherwise. But his work is still pretty sweet.

>>4671021
She's not a pro, there's no such thing as professional female sumo wrestling. She's an enthusiast and wants to create a female sumo wrestling club at her school.
Also I fail to see what's so unbelievable about a little girl having super strength in a world where tons of people have all kinds of supernatural powers such as fire control, wind control, electricity control, energy blasts, life force absorption, psychic powers, literal explosive punches or the ability to slice through solid matter with their bare hands.

>Why isn't it popular outside countries that had profitable arcades well into the 2000s?
Gee, I wonder why? Also, the fact that our used stuff tends to wind up in Latin America helped for dispersing all those MVS cabs that were gathering dust.

>>4670879
all argies are porteños. everyone else just don't fit the porteño stereotype and actually tend to be much better people. As a porteño myself who has traveled the country a bit, I can confirm we're the scum of the earth when it comes to argies

>>4670889
qué sos, chileno o qué mierda?

>>4671345
>Go play VF
this is the best post of the thread. we should all drop this piece of shit and go play VF2

>>4670901
But it's fine when Toph looks like that? Because he's basically a palette swapped Toph and I colored him as such in 13.

>>4670664
>why isn't KoF popular in the US?

good god

>1994
>there was shit like Killer Instinct, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter 2 already out in arcades
>SNK shits out KoF94(which isn't that great of a fighter)
>early KoF are all shit with "literally who" roster
>BUT FATAL FURY!! AND AOF!!
>Fatal Fury 1 was a novelty game but is horrendous
>AoF was impressive graphically but plays like ass
>AoF2 was broken garbage
>FF2 was also garbage, and it wasn't until they updated it to play more like SF2 with FF:Special(which was a damn fine game)
>The actual SNK franchise that became pretty popular was Samsho 1 and 2
>KoF 96 rolls out and its not half bad
>but by then arcades had Virtua Fighter 3, Tekken 2, X-men vs. Street Fighter, etc...
>all with fresh new graphics on fresh new hardware
>97 was the first KoF that is actually pretty good, but thats 4th game already
>and by then no one gave a fuck about a new yearly installment when the past games were forgettable and to the average consumer, they all looked the same and outdated
>98
>"muh kof 98"
>nobody gave a shit when Tekken 3 was the hottest game, and Alpha 3 kept Street Fighter alive and revelant
>98 looked like shit, no kid wanted to waste their quarters on a game that looked like it was from 93 and with a roster they didn't recognize
>fuck that they went to play other games like House of the Dead, Gauntlet: Legacy, or any other fuckin fighting game.
>NESTS Saga(99-01)
>these games were all garbage and bankrupt the fuckin company

>>4674086
>98 looked like shit, no kid wanted to...

Finally his post makes sense

>>4674086
where as SNK immediately tried to bank on their new franchises after the 1991 fighting game boom, by releasing KoF'94 on their NEO GEO platform.

Capcom decided not to rely on SF2's(1991) success and to move towards the Alpha series and make Marvel Comic based fighters on their newer CPS2 platform. So when they made their "ultimate fighter compilation" (MvC1-1998)it didn't look like dogshit. But rather that stick to CPS2, they enhanced the user experience by giving players and moved to the SEGA NAOMI, and we got MvC2(2000) and CvS2(2001) giving players a decades worth of roster characters.

Namco relied on and refined their NAMCO SYSTEM 11 for Tekken 1(1994) & 2(1995), but Tekken 3(1997) they moved to NAMCO SYSTEM 12. Along with the new platform they were able to make an amazing compilation fighter Tekken Tag Tournament(1999) to capitalize on the rise of 3D fighter popularity.

So these fuckers let their franchises grow and ferment, SNK cashed in their shit too early and got small returns. Relying on inexpensive and cost-effective hardware. Thus the consumer lost interest, because they don't give a shit about that.

>>4674108
did you forget that arcades were meant for kids and teenagers?

>>4670664
It's also kinda popular in some arab countries and China. It's not that it isn't popular on the rest of the world, considering the series manages to live on despite SNK's constant fuck ups; it's just not as popular as the places you mentioned.
>>4670702
Blue Mary shows her tits on one Fatal Fury game, then there was the option to rip off the clothes of the female characters in the early KoF games and then there was that awful FF OVA on which Mai shows her tits constantly, there was also the period when Falcoon and Nona had a good amount of rejected artwork because they were deemed too hot. Modern SNK may be lewd, but old SNK was unapologetic.

>>4672658
Shinkiro is Japan's Steve Dillon.

>>4670843
That's not One Must Fall: 2097

ypipo aren't used to hopping over borders so they don't 'get it'

>>4671130
They generally aren't even that good (in the good kof games), what are you talking about?

>>4670857
Correct.

>>4674134
More like Alex Ross.

>>4672428
>The coolest KOF characters are those originated from Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting and Ikari Warriors
Fixed.

K' is cool though.

>>4672428
Nah, Rugal , Chang, Goro, Leona, Whip and Shermie are pretty good.

>>4671054
Dude, Benimaru Nikaido is literally the Glenn Quagmire of Fighting games

>>4670664
It's too technical there's no shortcuts you need to practice quite alot just to be able to play any character properly

>>4674816
This is the real answer.

>>4674689
Are you out of your mind?

>>4674086
>>FF2 was also garbage, and it wasn't until they updated it to play more like SF2 with FF:Special(which was a damn fine game)
?
FFSpecial is basically FF2 with the some characters from FF1 and Ryo Sakazaki as a hidden boss. What are you on about? FF2 is great. And there wasn't any change to make it "play more like SF2".

>>4672428
>>4674754
This is all down to taste of course, but I wouldn't generalize it like that. Yeah most of the FF characters that made it into KOF are cool, but there's some lame ones like Raiden, Hwa Jai and Xiangfei. I think Andy's pretty boring too, was happy when they replaced him with Tizoc for a bit.
AOF is a pretty poor pool to pull characters from to begin with, even the ones that made it aren't too great. Ryo and Robert are pretty meh, Yuri and Takuma are alright (Takuma is cooler as Mr. Karate, but that doesn't happen often), King is probably the best one. I don't really get the appeal of Kasumi but she seems to be somewhat popular.
Some KOF originals are cool, in fact Vanessa is my favorite character in the entire series. Heidern and Leona are great. Goenitz, Mature, Vice, Yashiro and Shermie are all okay in my book. Chang and Choi and fine comic relief characters. Saisyu is a cool one that I miss.
Now, XIV did add a whole bunch of pretty lame characters, but that game's not retro so I guess we don't talk about it.

Because Americans and Europeans can't appreciate Leona's glorious messy hair.

>>4674905
literally this

you could almost argue FFS is more painful to play, because it is obnoxiously lengthy to fight all 15 characters

>>4670702
>I hate how creepily oversexualized the modern games have become, old SNK would never do such a thing.
you can knock yuri's shirt off in kof94

>>4674839
yeah

>>4670702
Undersexualized womyn have no soul.

>>4675046
I'm with this guy. There are some lame original characters but there are a bunch of great ones as well.

>>4670702
t.SJW

>>4674116
>Capcom decided not to rely on SF2's(1991) success

>>4674905
>>4675135
Special is faster

and FFS actually allows for combos

i.e. after landing a single hit the opponent isn't sent flying back from hitstun, but you can connect another attack thus allowing combos

and i don't think you can special cancel in FF2 either

>>4674905
>>4675135
>>4676624
and the roster for FF2 is trash

aside from Mai, Kim, and Raiden

1 fat guy w/suspenders & slacks and an another old midget who throws cookies(granted i actually like both of them)

but the roster was so unappealing and small compared to other fighters.

Special doubled the roster and made the game so much more enjoyable

The boss from FF1 returns, scarred from his last fight.

Allowing for both bosses of FF1 and FF2 to be playable.

Axel, Billy, and Laurance now playable.

Protaganist of AoF is also playable.

And Duck King returns with a seizure inducing stage.

>>4676624
Yeah this is true, but I mean, what about it makes it "more like SFII"? At any rate, SFII is also slower, has 8 selectable characters and isn't combo-centric, until SSF2T.
>>4676639
>and an another old midget who throws cookies
Come on man, be nice to old Jubei. He's one of my favorites.
Also, the console ports of FF2 allowed to play as the bosses before FFS.

>>4670708
>Americans are more into manly stuff like Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct.
That's shameful.

the first snk game I ever bought was kof dream match 99 on dreamcast. I was so confused.

>>4676812
>At any rate, SFII is also slower, has 8 selectable characters and isn't combo-centric, until SSF2T.

what about cps1 chains?

Don't forget the greatest characters.

>>4677918
best theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tgim8O8i4Q

So what are some characters from FF or AOF that never made it into KOF that you think would have made fine additions? Or even from shit Savage Reign or Aggressors of Dark Kombat or whatever.
I always wanted to see Lee Pai Long, he's pretty much the only notable AOF character left. Put him in a "masked team" with Mr. Karate and Tizoc or something.

>>4674816
This. Even now, with unlimited free credits on my emulator, I feel learning KOF is just too much work.

>>4676116
The many SF2 rehashes were really just side projects while they were working on Darkstalkers and X-Men.

>>4679103
Plus the fact you have to select three characters feels like you have to work three times more.

>>4677228
People didn't even know about those until 1993 or so.

>>4676812
>isn't combo-centric, until SSF2T
Combos were already a big part of the game at the time of SF2 Turbo.

>>4679121
oh you mean those barely possible 3 hit combos that rely only on low punches or the typical crossups? the problem with the CPS1 SF games is that combos were a glitch hence the dreadded 1 frame input, and because of it, sometimes if you do a combo, it wont register.

>>4670664
dull art style
the KOF original characters are mostly weeb trash
a glut of way too many sequels
1v1 is better than 3v3

>>4674086
hey what about World Heroes 1 & 2 and Samurai Shodown?

those were legit.

>>4679172
SNK didn't make World Heroes.

>>4679172
Samurai Shodown was really the only popular SNK fighter in the united states

shame the 3rd game was so rushed. it's status became completely niche after that

>>4679783
This is roughly correct. I remember when Samurai showdown was ported to almost a dozen consoles and my friends and I really enjoyed the Genesis Port (the SNES one was weird with the characters being so small)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybnRgfuZc0E

One friend even had the 3d0 port which was arguably the best one besides the AES and CD ports.

World Heroes 2 was somewhat popular with the SNES ports as was the Fatal Fury games on genesis and SNES, hell I had a friend who owned Art of Fighting on SNES and we loved it. But really, SNK just never had the appeal in the states that it had elsewhere.

>>4679814
>mfw I had the Game Boy port
>mfw it's actually good

>>4680860
The port of Samurai Shodown, I mean

>>4670694
i still love the leona saluting catgirl

>>4680862
The Nettou series by Takara is always good.

>>4679168
>1v1 is better than 3v3

Wow lol

>>4680920

>>4677918
Lucky was top tier

>>4677951
Is this from KOF 98 UM?

>>4681013
3v3 makes for far more interesting matches. The only way I could see liking 1v1 more is if you're not familiar with many characters.

>>4682140
Aside from some of the alternate versions Lucky is literally the worst character in the game. He's still a lot of fun though.

>>4682163
Do you preffer the common K-Pop stereotype characters than the alternate (non cannonical) ones?

>>4682175
In '98 I like everyone to some degree. Athena, Iori, Kim is my favorite go-to team so take what you will from that.

>>4679158
Couldn't have told more bullshit than that.

>>4679114
Doesn't make it not combo-centric.

>>4677228
You don't need CPS-1 chains to do big combos. In fact, not all characters use them.

>>4682637
What specific part of it was bullshit?

Don't mind me

>>4680869

Autist Leona is best Leona.

>>4684928
I like this Leona.

>>4670664

>>4670664
NA doesn't want to learn three characters + all the matchups that comes with. Too bad since KoF is actually really easy to learn and every KoF plays relatively similar to each other.

>>4684943
This guy knows what's up.

>>4684943
This guy knows what's up.

>>4684962
Kinda true, but no one who really plays KoF would only learn 3 characters.

>>4670843
my favorite fighter ever. good taste anon.

>>4684986
I know but you have to have at least 3 to really start getting into it

>>4685029
Ohh obviously. I guess the point was more someone who thinks learning 3 characters is a burden would probably never really get into it.

>>4670664
Just like political parties; America only has room for 2 of anything at a time. Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter were there first, so those were the ones everyone went with.

>>4679168
>>4685029
Marvel 2 and 3 are also 3v3 and that didn't stop them being massively popular in the US.
It probably is just a matter of the design and overall feel of KOF being too Japanese/anime for the average non-weeb American gamer.

>>4685089
Marvel vs. Capcom had the bonus of the marvel roster to gather loads of interest and then MvC2 was the kind of game that makes life long fans of a series.

lmao

>>4684947
Heuheuheuheuheu

>>4671321

>>4687668
>no King in that game
Pretty disrespectful to the OG SNK female fighter, tbf. She came before even Mai.
In fact she wasn't in anything on the NGP. Didn't make it into either of the KOFs (even though Kasumi was in one), not in SvC, and AOF was the only major series to not get its own game on the system, so they never made adorable super deformed King sprites. I mad.

>>4687878
Truth. King is eternally underappreciated.

>>4671040
that's the kind of shit east asia and south america absolutely eats up; the entire male population is effeminate beyond measure

>>4670664
1) Bland and bad character design (especially newer versions)
2) abysmal combo system (ult auto combos with 99+ hits)
3) in the shadows of streetfighter, too similar in look and feel but not as good

>>4688365
>ult auto combos
What do you mean by this? Please elaborate.

>>4688365
>too similar in look and feel

>>4682163
>more interesting matches
But every KoF video just has teams selected from the same pull of 6 or so top tiers, and nobody else. I know all fighting games are like that, but still.

>>4672647
Not only did they copy Tetsuos looks, they also copied his VA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNEiwo0wBv8

>>4689362
>But every KoF video

Sorry, I was talking about playing the games not watching youtube.

where does a noob to the series even begin?

Literally because SNK games were extremely easy to pirate. In the 90s Mexico was littered with bootleg KOF machines. I imagine it's the same deal in China.

>>4685029
I suck at fighting games, I'm bad at them, I can't play them, I hate them. And despite all that I've never felt that "learning" 3 characters in KoF is a problem. The whole "learning 3 characters takes too much effort" is just bullshit people spew because they are afraid of expressing opinions like "I just don't like KoF" or "I just don't want to play it, I rather spend time with [other game]".

>>4689546
I recommend playing the Dream Matches (98 and 2002) first
97 is nice too, my fav

>>4689581
You are very right. Even in 1v1 games, someone only wanting to learn 1 character will probably never get far. Really, in general you need to learn everyone in a given game before you start to really get good at it.