/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4567069
You could rgb mod it, also there is an hdmi mod available, though they are hard to install. Does you television have s-video? Some panels still do, probably your best option if you don't want to spend a lot of money.

RGB or HDMI - it's that easy. Both also support de-blur which cleans up the blur created by the N64's internal scaler. If you are too lazy, throwing s-video into a decent scaler will do.

>>4567074
>>4567078
have you got any details on these mods
and which one is cheapest?

and Yes, my HDTV does have s-video

>>4567080
RGB is more accessible. The HDMI mod boards are extremely rare because they are made by one dude who only makes a few at a time.

Do not just throw N64 via s-video straight into your HDTV - modern TVs do not like 240p and do not like interlaced video either.

>>4567084
RGB and S-video look the same. Is RGB worth it? I can't see the difference

>>4567110
RGB displays inaccurate colors, don't do it

>>4567110
They don't really look the same, but closer to each other than composite and s-video do.

>>4567110
They aren't. RGB separates the signal into three, while S-Video into two.

>>4567069
why cant you get a CRT?

>>4567128
I can pick up a giant Trinitron for $20 because nobody cares about them in the country I live.

It's more a room thing. old TVs are big. Was hoping I could get the best picture on my HDTV

>>4567120
incorrect but on the right track

RGB splits the signal into four (R G B and sync) while having the best representation because it shoots info straight to the guns.

S video has the other colour encoding (PAL or NTSC) with the brightness (luma Y) so theres less acuracy hence the issues with S video.

In saying that, S Video is fine.

>>4567130
get a small TV. If you live in australia I can help you. if you're in europe or south america than sorry

>>4567130
what country do you live in? if they have area clean ups for trash you can find tvs if you show up early or you can look up a CRT recycling center

>>4567141
There's a local economy of servicing old electronics here. There're people who go through trash and recycle/reuse/fix everything that can be. They don't get thrown out in the trash anyway because any oid TV is worth about a day's wages.

>>4567148
no i get that, even in "western" nations i have to compete with "Scrappers" who sell the copper they salvage from the TVs.

When I goto trash clean ups my hit/miss ratio is probably 50 TVs broken with all copper taken out for every 1 i find.


I also collect old shit like record player and VCRs and they are usually broken just for the copper in the power cords

Some HDTVs still have a scart port, I just use that.

Cant you just plug it in and play it that is what I do.

>>4567286
What country are you from? I've never seen a hdtv with a scart port, wish I had one.

>>4567336
My tv is modern enough to have HDMI, yet old enough to have Scart, AV, RF etc hookups

I can lit hook up any of my game consoles to it no matter how new or old they are and theyll run fine

>>4567069
There are basically two options
1. Ask your mom if you can have an old TV
2. Fail

>>4567069
you could also just go the easy way and get a hdmi converter:

https://www.amazon.de/HDMI-GANA-AV-Unterst%C3%BCtzung-Schutzh%C3%BClle/dp/B072N2Q55Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517848155&sr=8-1&keywords=Rgb+Hdmi+Kabel

shouldn't cost more than 20 bucks

>>4567336
They're from Europe, ignore them

>>4567069

>>4567286
no scart ports here.

>>4567536
my tv has hdmi, vga, rf, composite, component and s-video. it's an early hdtv

everything but scart

>>4567336
>>4567701
>>4567707
Are you idiots seriously falling for the Eurotroll?

I got the ultraHDMI. if $200 won't hurt and you're thinking about it and you get a chance go for it. I previously was using shitty s-video with a crazy amount of checkerboarding (still better than composite)

they're coming out with Dreamcast YPbPr cables so I won't have to keep fixing the powerboard on my 2007-era samsung lcd with s-video

>>4567110

RGB modding an n64 isn't worth it IMO.

Just get a fucking small CRT dude. It's going to look a million times better than the alternatives and will feel more authentic. Trust me, it's not worth the extra hassle to do any of this stuff.

>>4567580
Maybe more of us are from Europe than you care to admit?

SCART, HDMI, YPbPr, S-Video, Composite Plasma master race reporting in.

>>4567707
Oh shit, >>4568140 here.

Forgot mine also has VGA and RF (both analogue and digital). My father's additionally has an HD Satellite tuner built in.

Feels good not to have been cucked by the RCA conspiracy.

>>4568117
Yeah I'm looking now.
there's Trinitron Wega tvs around 20" for $20-30
but there's also big ones for the same price.

Any other brands/models worth looking at?

>>4568117
>It's going to look a million times better than the alternatives

>>4569271
retard

>>4569276
You're the fucking retard here if you genuinely believe that composite on a random CRT will somehow look superior to RGB on fucking anything. You fucking CRT cultists are delusional.

>>4569281
>composite screenshot vs RGB screenshot instead of a picture of the actual display
3 million IQ post

>>4569290
>BUT MY BARGAIN BIN CRT MAGICALLY MAKES COMPOSITE NOT PURE SHIT!

>>4569290
You lost, please be dignified friend and enjoy games

>>4569313
Actually they both look like shit without a CRT (see the image you posted for proof), and are both fine with. RGB is less blurry but has inaccurate colors. I find it ironic, by the way, that your image uses Chrono Trigger as an example, since it can be highlighted as a game designed with composite effects in mind. The blacks are off color without it. Also, you were disputing that posters claim that "It's going to look a million times better than the alternatives", and made no mention of composite or RGB cables, only CRT, and yet you responded to me with a (bad) composite vs RGB argument that actually had no relevance, either to the point you were trying to make, or your point was actually a non sequitur. Hard to tell because you're a bit dense. I was nice enough to correct you anyway though, hope this helps.

>>4567069
I'm in a similar position OP. Basically, Ultra HDMI is so good, I wouldn't settle with anything else that also costs money. They're not rare but hella expensive. So I don't have an HDMI modded N64 but instead I play on my CRT through Composite and it looks great too. Don't fall for the Composite is shit meme, at least not on the N64. The RGB mod isn't worth it at all, unless you maybe use an expensive scaler. So fuck all of that. Get a CRT, any size you want.

>>4569332
>RGB has inaccurate colors
Every single console ever except the Famicom and perhaps some earlier ones renders it's graphics in RGB.

>>4569313
Composite is fine shitlord

>>4569441
>Composite is fine shitlord

>>4569420
I won't say composite is great, but for many CRTs the you can split the difference between RGB and composite with Svideo. Works out pretty well IMO

>>4567080
>and which one is cheapest?
retrovidya is the wrong hobby for you.
>>>/v/

>composite
Just do svideo jesus.

Although it's hard to find a small crt with svideo

>>4568996

I have a 27u-f510 sharp. It has composite, component and s-video. The picture is absolutely fantastic with really vivid colors. It's the best one I've used other than a 20" PVM. If you can find that model of sharp, I imagine you're wildest retro dreams will come true.

No one ever talks about sharp on here, but I can vouch for this model at least. It's very good.

>>4569332
>Actually they both look like shit without a CRT (see the image you posted for proof)
So retro games actually look like shit according to you, and can only look good with a shitty CRT masking the actual image? This is a new low, even for /vr/. I'd suggest suicide but you seem dumb enough to fuck even that up.

>>4569479
There is no such thing as "composite with S-video", S-video is S-video. But you are right, the proper S-video cable is by FAR the most bang for your buck for playing N64 games.

>>4570490
Sadly it's not a new low, there are shitter-fuckers patrolling boards like this so they can swoop in with that every chance they get. Even meme gaming youtubers like MJR have said very similar things. It's a totally false meme. I feel like these are the types of people who will be autistic about everything to the last electron, and then when they finally have everything perfect they probably don't even bother playing the games because that's clearly not what they're about.

>>4569424
>being this wrong

>>4570490
>>4570508
The games were designed around CRTs you dummies. They were all developed on CRT monitors.
If you don't see that you're either blind or have never seen the game on a CRT display. The image looks completely different than intended without a CRT.

>>4570785
>The image looks completely different without a CRT.
And? "Looks different" doesn't mean "looks like shit". Try thinking for yourself instead of just parroting the typical "BUT IT'S MADE FOR CRTS!" and "IT'S NOT THE SAME!" non-arguments.

>>4570891
It was made on CRTs in a world where virtually all displays were CRTs, and, yes, it looks far shittier on LCD.

Do keep in mind that S-Video only works on the NTSC N64 models, if you have a PAL N64 you're shit outta luck and have to stick with composite or an RGB mod if you happen to have some specific French version of the motherboard. I sincerely hope my fellow Europoors have given up on PAL consoles by now though, unless they use some kind of 60hz mod.

Easiest option is to just find a pre-modded N64 on auction sites, last time I checked they're not too expensive, although doing the mod yourself is cheaper and doesn't require that much soldering. Just make sure that the RGB cable you buy uses sync-on-luma and not CSYNC unless you're absolutely sure your N64 board supports it.(which is only some earlier models)

>>4570909
>and, yes, it looks far shittier on LCD.
OSSC on a 4K TV looks far better than any shitty consumer level CRT I've tried. Stop trying to push your awful opinions as fact.

>>4570916
>OSSC on a 4K TV looks far better than any shitty consumer level CRT I've tried.
Don't be so arrogant. You're not intelligent enough to make judgments like that.

>>4570891
18+

>>4570919
If what I'm expressing is arrogance, what would you classify your own behavior as? Trying to make the claim that nothing but a CRT is worth using is hardly humble.
>>4570931
Fuck off underaged bandwagoner.

>>4570938
>Trying to make the claim that nothing but a CRT is worth using is hardly humble.
I never said that. But I am saying CRT is the best option. Conveying objectively correct information to an ignorant person isn't arrogance. Aggressively, insultingly asserting your incorrect opinion is, though.

>>4567069
Just watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpy1M6v2_MI

>>4569281
>input lag

>>4570945
>But I am saying CRT is the best option.
Except even that's not true. A shitty low grade consumer CRT with composite only and high levels of overscan will be miles behind a quality LCD TV using an OSSC in regards to image quality. Is something like a PVM or one of the few good consumer CRTs a better option? Yes, but many people simply can't get one or don't have the space for one. The only real arguments I've seen against something like the OSSC is motion blur, and input lag which are legitimate complaints but aren't serious enough to warrant forgoing the option entirely.
>>4570958
If you can't adapt to a single frame or less of input lag you are genuinely terrible at video games, regardless of how many "1ccs" you have.

>>4570968
Common consumer CRTs are perfectly fine and are what games were made to be played on until relatively recently. And you're right to bring up motion blur and input lag. These games look so much worse with motion blur.
https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/60vs120vslb/
A high-end modern gaming monitor with lightboost is the only LCD that doesn't have this issue, LCD TVs are still bad, both for motion blur and input lag.

>If you can't adapt to a single frame or less of input lag you are genuinely terrible at video games, regardless of how many "1ccs" you have.
ok? 1 extra frame is still worse, regardless of whether you can adapt to it or not. Judging by how unintelligent you reveal yourself to be, you're doubtlessly horrible at all video games regardless. If you want to feel the difference exactly 1 frame can make, play Super Smash Bros. Melee. Do Mario/Marth/Captain Falcon's wavedash, then do Yoshi/Falco/Luigi's wavedash. 1 frame has a very big impact on the input you have to perform. space between two inputs is different from a global delay, but 1 frame isn't nothing.

>>4570992
>These games look so much worse with motion blur.
Doesn't seem bad enough to me, so why should I care? If it bothers you enough, that's fine but you shouldn't claim it's a bad option solely because of something the average person may or may not notice.
>Judging by how unintelligent you reveal yourself to be, you're doubtlessly horrible at all video games regardless.
And you aren't? You're on this board and seem to do nothing but jerk yourself off over CRTs, so I doubt you're any better. I can all but guarantee that the average /vr/ user is absolute dogshit at video games, solely based off the fact that so many people come to this board solely to argue over shit that has nothing to do with the games themselves. You can talk about advanced techniques in games all you want, but that won't make you any less of a bandwagoner that merely parrots people that actually know what they're talking about.

>>4571012
>Doesn't seem bad enough to me, so why should I care? If it bothers you enough, that's fine but you shouldn't claim it's a bad option solely because of something the average person may or may not notice.

Not him, but just to confirm, you are the retard that said this, yes?
>>4570968

>>4571019
You're the only retard here lad.

>>4571012
Well at least you finally seem to admit I'm right.
>merely parrots people that actually know what they're talking about.
Better than the arrogant insanity of pulling uninformed opinions out of your ass. Is that what you call 'thinking for yourself'? Even Einstein needs his textbooks, anon. Humans are social animals. Nobody is smart enough to invent knowledge for themselves, but some people are dumb enough to try.
btw
>something the average person may or may not notice.
you should have higher standards than that. the average person plays F2P games with framedrops on a laptop.

>>4571023
>Better than the arrogant insanity of pulling uninformed opinions out of your ass.
You mean like "every CRT will be better than an LCD regardless of quality", which is posted here constantly? If I'm retarded, what does that make the rest of this board? Hell, the rest of this site for that matter? You're likely retarded yourself if you're the one that originally posted that trite.

>>4571025
>You mean like "every CRT will be better than an LCD regardless of quality"
I didn't post that, no, but that is correct for all 6th gen and earlier consoles + the Wii.

>>4571031
>but that is correct for all 6th gen and earlier consoles + the Wii.
Thanks for proving that you are in fact retarded. At least I can rest easy now knowing that I am surrounded by my own kind here.

>>4571025

You're pretty stupid. Nobody is claiming that a Wal Mart CRT from the turn of the century with a built-in VCR meant for trailer trash (which is what you are laughably implying in >>4570968) is not going to compare to a confirmed low latency LCD HDTV for most purposes, including most people emulating games.

Duh.

But AHAHAHAHA you are actually trying to pipe up with your dumbass opinion in the face of the FACT that your average CRT meant for just everybody's living room for the past couple decades can display retro games better than even a high end HDTV, even including most HD CRT TVs since those have latency due to processing.

Ahahaha what a fucking retard ahahaha

>>4571038
Nice argument buddy, it's almost as if you didn't have one at all and merely parroted the rest of the board! Going "HAHAHA THIS GUY'S A RETARD" doesn't make you right, by the way.

>>4571045
>Nice argument buddy, it's almost as if you didn't have one at all

Ahaha what a fucking dumbass ahahaha

>>4571049
>still no actual argument

>>4570938
>projecting this hard
kids lol

>>4571056

You mean like your "actual argument" laughably posted in >>4570968.

Ahahaha. Ahahahaha.

What a fucking faggot retard. The arguments against LCDs have already been posted in this thread several times, of course they aren't "REAL ARGUMENTS" for reasons nobody knows except you, apparently.

Input lag, both from the screen and from upscaling, worse colors (especially the color black), either distortion from forcing widescreen or black bars on the side, all worse on an LCD with absolutely no gain except "the signal to noise is a little less" than S-video (this is, of course, your particular HDTV has a good enough upscaler).

Oh but we should use shit because of REAL ARGUMENTS AHAHAHAHA

>>4570910
>if you have a PAL N64 you're shit outta luck and have to stick with composite or an RGB mod
Why would anyone who lives in a PAL country use S-Video when RGB is readily available?
>I sincerely hope my fellow Europoors have given up on PAL consoles by now though, unless they use some kind of 60hz mod.
I'm pretty sure the N64 isn't bound to a specific video mode and will run either NTSC or PAL depending on the software. It's mostly older consoles that are limited to either NTSC or PAL depending on region.

>>4571524
>why would anyone who lives in a PAL country use S-Video when RGB is readily available?
Because S-Video doesn't require a mod on NTSC N64 boards, and most PAL boards can't be RGB modded using the easier/cheaper RGB amp rather than the N64RGB board you'd have to import from Australia.
>I'm pretty sure the N64 isn't bound to a specific video mode and will run either NTSC or PAL depending on the software. It's mostly older consoles that are limited to either NTSC or PAL depending on region.
True, but there still is a ~1% difference due to clock speeds plus you'd need some kind of pass-through adapter. For Everdrives it's pretty easy to play out-of-region games though.

The first PAL system to get it right was the Dreamcast with it's 50-60hz switch for most PAL games. I wonder why it took them so long, most European TVs from the 90s already supported PAL60 and NTSC.

>>4570910
>Do keep in mind that S-Video only works on the NTSC N64 models
Wrong, every PAL N64 barring the absolute last hardware revision supports s-video without modding. You need a special s-video cable however, because Nintendo region locked the cable.

>>4571629
Ah, I guess that makes sense. I guess I assumed they did the same thing like they did with the Gamecube where PAL systems did not support S-Video at all.(although it did support RGB unlike NTSC GCs, making it the better model unless you have the expensive component cables)

Is it worth picking up a used N64 and an EverDrive 64 cart?

Or can I use my shit-tier Windows laptop to run DK64, Jet Force Gemini and Goemon?

>>4571638
IIRC Australia got the worst of both worlds. Apparently Nintendo had no qualms about sending some Gamecubes with faulty RGB components to Australia because the country is like USA in preferring s-video over SCART. Except they didn't support s-video either, being PAL systems.

Anyway, by far the strangest thing about s-video support for N64 is I don't think Nintendo ever officially sold the PAL cable despite requiring a region-lock resistors.

>>4571625
>For Everdrives it's pretty easy to play out-of-region games though.
There's really no reason to not use a flash cart for anything on the N64 since the cartridges didn't contain any extra chips that have to be emulated.

>>4571625
>I wonder why it took them so long, most European TVs from the 90s already supported PAL60 and NTSC.
The only reason they converted NTSC games to PAL to begin with was for compatibility with old TV sets. They should have sorted it out like with the Hong Kong version of the Famicom, which was internally NTSC but featured a built in PAL-converter. Perhaps it could be external so you could try if your TV supported NTSC, and then run it without if it did.

>>4571686
>which was internally NTSC but featured a built in PAL-converter.
That sounds terrible. Cheap converters are gross.

>>4571689
Way better than fucking up more or less every single game at least.

>>4571691
Not even so sure about that. Cheap converters produce a weird blurry signal with screen tearing and nastily inconsistent framerate.

>>4571694
I dunno how good the converter in the HK Famicom was, but even having a blurry signal is better than having the game run at the wrong speed.

>>4571629
>because Nintendo region locked the cable.
kek wtf ninty

My issue is that all my consoles are outputting (or modded) for SVIDEO yet for some reason TV companies decided that svideo shouldnt be on any tvs anymore, so now I'm stuck with composite which looks like garbage, my options are to find an SVIDEO to HDMI converter, or try to convert rgb scart to YUV...

>>4571724
They did a lot of that weird shit in the earlier years for some reason. The European NES has region locked controllers, but the Scandinavian models use and accept US controllers.

Didn't Nintendo have RGB-capable consoles for their internal use?