/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4387991
>PS games
Don't you mean "PSX"?

It's not perfect. There are compatibility issues with some games. But if you're on a restrictive budget and have to choose between a PS1 or a PS2, then you might get more use out of the PS2.

>>4387992
No, I have always called it playstation since it was announced

>>4387996
Those games are like the must play or something or obscure games?

Some PS1 functions are emulated on both PS2 and PS3. PS2 is "truer". You want the fat versions of either one to keep this as minimal as possible. I don't think PS3 will output true 240p,

>>4388007
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_games_incompatible_with_PlayStation_2

PS2 is better than PS3 for this feature. The PS2 can output 240p video, even with component video out. I play all my PSX games on PS2, they look and play great, and it doesn't hurt to have it hooked up to a CRT because PS2 games look better on it, too.

>>4387991
Some games look great smoothed out but some don't.

>>4387991
>I heard the ps3 emulates unlike the PS2
FAT PS2 and early Slim emulate the GPU while having actual PS1 CPU inside them.
PS3 is fully software emulation.

PS2 can do 240p.
PS3 can't do 240p.

>>4387992

PSX is not a valid fucking name for the PS1 or PS

>>4388015
a few hours ago I saw you saying that the PS2 if full software emulation
lol you really are a dummy

>>4388060
Oldfag here. PSX always had been a fucking valid name for Sony's console. Piss off.

>>4387991
Always remember this:
If the method loads games from USB or ethernet, it's emulated.
The only way to invoke native PS1 mode is through the lens, which probably means disc swapping.

>>4388067

well i am obviously older than you because it was only ever called playstation and then we called it PS1 when PS2 came out. PSX is objectively bad practice because there is a real PSX

>>4388062
When using POPStarter, it is. When running from disc, either retail or burned, it's not. I realize this is a little tricky to understand the first or fiftieth time you read it but I'll try to be patient.

>>4388067
And people referred to the GameCube as an GCN too, I'm sure.

PS1 is the best for playing PS1 games
PS2 is still great for playing PS1, but has some issues
PS3 is kinda bad for playing PS1 games

>>4388084
They did, in print and online - the same as PSX although the term "PSX" had a bit longer legs probably because it was pushed by Sony USA who liked "X" and didn't like "play"

>>4387992
No, you mean PS1.

>>4388105
>id rather buy into bad advertising policies in a specific country than to actually refer to things by proper names as to avoid confusion and fuck up the market of retro gaming

Thanks fuckhead

>>4387991
PS2 if you plan on using a CRT
PS3 if you plan on using an HDTV

They both have some minor incompatibilities but they're so minor that the average Joe isn't going to notice.

>>4387991
PS2 for fast disc speed.

>>4388116

>specific country

Everyone called it PSX here in poland, we even had a magazine called PSX Extreme. I think like half of the globe used this name, but you're either too young or too autistic to realize that.

Fuckhead.

>>4388116
It was actually ridiculous of Sony's marketing department to officially name their PS2 based DVR "PSX" but if you get confused and wonder if someone online who types PSX is referring to the Playstation or to a limited Japanese release single run gimmick of a gadget that no one anywhere ever discussed ever other than in the context of discussions like this one then I submit it may be you who is a fuckhead.

>>4388134
>>4388132

You're dumb.

Just wrong here to be honest. I was there for the Ps1 launch

>>4388137
Where?

>>4388137

Here?

I don't understand why anyone replies to PSX trolling.

He isn't even posting anything except constant misdirection, this is the type of trolling people on facebook fall for.

>>4387991
How good is the ps2 slim to load ps1 games with SD or hard drives?

>>4388181
Less good than a PSP

I play all my PS1 games on a PS2 slim, works fine. I have a PS2 fat with a flip-top case for playing imports.

>>4387991
PSP
>native 240p LCD screen
>on the go gaming if you want
>can install custom firmware and run SNES, Mega Drive, and PS1 games all on one device
>adapters are out there so you can video line out to a tv
The original Switch, PSP is god tier.

>>4387991
Depends on your budget.

PS3 has a decent set of digital PSX games, and it creates digital memory cards so you don't have to worry about filling up one.

PS2 is good for just a physical collection, but if you're on a budget go for the fat one. The slims don't take 3rd party memory cards like the Fat does.

>>4388080
>When using POPStarter, it is.
but that's wrong
>POPStarter is a launcher which lets you play your PS1 games in combination with $ony’s PS1 emulator for PS2 (known as “POPS” or “SLBB-00001”). Unlike the previous POPStarter versions and the proofs of concept, POPStarter r13 does NOT contain the emulator itself or libraries that belong to $ony.
it does not emulate anything, it's no different for the ps2 itself then inserting a disc
how is this a weird concept to you? you don't really know what you're talking about, do you?

>>4388519
Not him but you literally just showed that Sony's POPS is an emulator. By the way, it is an emulator. Even if it's half hardware half emulation, it's still more emulation than native because that's not what native means. The PS2 version of POPS' compatibility rate is straight up trash, but it's not as bad as the PSP POPS.

You are the idiot here.
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=sony+pops

>>4388531
You're probably wasting your time arguing with him. I thought about it myself but I really don't know exactly what the difference is when the PS2 boots into PS1 hardware mode and plays a PS1 game off a disc vs POPS but the bottom line is that he has obviously never tried playing the same game from disc and via POPS or he wouldn't say that they're the same because they're very obviously not.

>>4388267
Vita is better in 2017

PSP is old hat.

>>4388519
>POPStarter r13 does NOT contain the emulator itself or libraries that belong to $ony.
Oh and if this is the line that you think implies POPS is not an emulator because "it does not contain the emulator", you reading comprehension is laughably bad. Popstarter is a wrapper/launcher to use Sony's POPS "core". The Popstarter project and its downloads don't include the core and require you to pirate it yourself because they could get in trouble for distributing Sony files, same deal with bios. POPS is an emulator, although an official one made by Sony. Its compatibility is different than putting a real PS1 disc into a PS2. Worms Armageddon does not boot on PS2 POPS. Rollcage Stage II does not boot on PSP POPS.

The answer is mednafen-psx. But if you absolutely *must* hardware, it is undeniably the PS2 phat you need.

>>4388531
>>4388536
there is no difference
POPs is the way PS2 plays PS1 games
it is the half emulation shit that goes on when you play a PS1 games in a PS2
it IS the PS1 hardware mode gramps

>>4388539
see >>4388525

>>4388536
>I thought about it myself but I really don't know exactly what the difference is when the PS2 boots into PS1 hardware mode and plays a PS1 game off a disc vs POPS but the bottom line is that he has obviously never tried playing the same game from disc and via POPS or he wouldn't say that they're the same because they're very obviously not.
see
>The compatibility issues come from loading. Related to particular streaming (ie texture) and video playback. Because that's all that POPStarter does, replaces you inserting a PS1 disc into the PS2.

>>4388539
>The Popstarter project and its downloads don't include the core and require you to pirate it yourself because they could get in trouble for distributing Sony file
But that's wrong.
You don't have to download anything, it's already on your PS2.
Try it.

A FAT PS2 does not have full software emulation integrated in it like latter Slims do.
Yet it plays the games the same way. Without any extra files, just using the POPStarter as a way to launch the game. The incompatibility comes from other things.
There is no difference in the core routines how it works.

>>4388539
>Its compatibility is different than putting a real PS1 disc into a PS2.
It's difference because it loads the files differently.
It's the same emulator that uses the PS1's real CPU on the motherboard of the PS2. The same emulator that gets launched when you play a original PS1 disc.

How come you people are so confused by this and so hostile to even learn anything? I've actually worked on this shit since 2006.

>>4388557
We know that Popstarter is a launcher and the playback utilizes a real PS1 CPU in the box, clearly not emulation as in a PC emulator of sorts. The point is that popping in a physical disc gets you actual native results but using the POPS launcher yields very different results with a ton of caveats such as frame drops, missing textures, missing sounds, shit won't even boot but does on PSP supposedly due to loading things differently. The bottom line is that it doesn't even work properly while popping in a disc is an entirely different story. POPStarter is anything but "plays PS1 natively" regardless if it's using a real PS1 CPU to do most of the lifting.

>>4387991
Fat PS2, with Hard Drive adapter to play games off of the hard drive.

Mod Chipped PS1 to play games off of burned discs.

AFAIK theres no way to play PS1 games on a PS2 off of USB/HDD but I havne't looked too deep into it.

>>4388267
>No R2/L2 buttons
>No dual analog
It's good for a lot of games, I use mine a lot. But there's some games that are difficult or unplayable due to not having 1-1 mapped controls for DualShock controllers.

I've thought about getting a PSP Go to mod, since they can sync with a DualShock 3, eliminating the need.

If you set your PSP to interlaced mode through a component cable on a CRT, it outputs PS1 games in native 240p and it looks super nice.

Haven't bothered with mine much, though, since I chipped my PS1.

>>4388557
The PS1 CPU is the I/O controller. If you're running PS1 games off a hard drive you're by definition not running them on the PS1 CPU.

>>4388015
>>4388020
>>4388134
Every fat ps2 utilized the pis1 prtocessor as the IO processor was an overclocked ps1 cpu.

However newer slims emulate for some reason much like ps3.

Also I do know ready 2 rumble doesnt work on a ps3 Launch 60GB or slim

>>4388597
As others have mentioned, there's POPStarter, which allows for PS1 games to be booted from HDD, but the compatibility is weak.

I would suggest getting a slim PS2 as the cheapest way to play PS1 games. With FMCBoot on a memory card and the disc sensors jammed, you can can use homebrew to swap PS1 backups and imports without having to worry about timing or fucking up your laser.

You can get component output, or SCART, depending on your setup, and they both seem to work fine for PS1 games as long as your display supports 240p

>>4388257
>using fliptop case
>Damaging your optical drive and console
>While FreeMcBoot exists
Is it 2004?

>>4388267
Snes emulation on psp is terrible, earthbound is unplayable.

>>4388608
FMCB still gets updated, surprisingly. It's practically a fully featured CFW at this point.

Also I don't use a flip-top case, I just have the sensors stuck down with some mounting putty.

Software can also stop the disc for you, so that you aren't risking damage to your optical drive when swapping discs. It's really not an issue anymore.

>>4388604
>If you're running PS1 games off a hard drive you're by definition not running them on the PS1 CPU.
Being an I/O device, the hard drive is connected to the I/O controller.

>if you want to pirate games
OG PS1, phat or slim
>if you just want to play them
Any PS2 variant. I personally prefer the slim as it's a lot quieter than the phat.
>if you want to pirate but don't care about hardware accuracy
Mednefen
>if you want neither
stock PS3.

>>4388615
It's not being an I/O controller when a PS1 game is running. It's busy being a CPU.

>>4388116

How simple minded do you have to be not to be able to interchange ps1 and psx in your head during online discussions, seriously? Please answer me in great length.

This thread fucking sucks. Fat PS2 doesn't use any of that POPS shit when running PS1 games and neither does the slim. Heck it's not even emulating the GPU like some others said, the GS is literally register compatible with the PS1 GPU, and like with the SPU, PS2-exclusive functions are getting disabled in PS1 mode. That's why >>4388550, >>4388557 and various others need to fuck off. POPStarter gruntly emulates PS1 games in PS2 mode using the EE, sort of like the slims do except much less optimized (slims don't also technically run PS1 games in PS2 mode), and very inaccurately. Suffice to say you can't run PS1 "natively" in anything but the disc drive.

>>4387991
>/vr/ - Retro Games

>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro.

>1999 or earlier

>>4388541
>POPs is the way PS2 plays PS1 games
No, it's not.

>>4389065

Yup. It was dubious to start with, but now...

>>4389069
This thread has stayed completely on topic since it's 100% about PS1 compatibility. I find the discussion pretty interesting but it is absolutely pedantry about what technically counts as emulation and what doesn't, which at the end of the day is truly a subjective matter. However the bottom line is that loading PS1 games from HDD/SD/USB/NET is noticeably and substantially inferior to loading them from disc. There's no debating that.

That leads us to a whole 'nother opportunity for endless debate i.e. the fact that with PGXP we're getting to a point that full-on PC emulation can actually produce superior results to original hardware which puts the argument for playing PS1 games on a console into the realm of "accuracy"/authenticity so then we have to ask ourselves if using a PS2 to play PS1 games is truly "authentic" enough or if it would be better to just emulate them fully at higher internal resolutions with perspective correction and true 16:9 fov.

Like I said, this is a question that could probably be pedantically debated ceaselessly but it's a question retro gamers should probably ask themselves and honestly answer for themselves before they waste a lot of time and/or money on a less than satisfying gaming experience

>>4389065
Fucking illiterate retard
>I was thinking of buying a PS2 to play PS games
Dirty inbred illiterate hick
>I was thinking of buying a PS2 to play PS games
Are you incapable of reading?
>I was thinking of buying a PS2 to play PS games
Can you even understand me? Do you need scribbled in crayons?
>I was thinking of buying a PS2 to play PS games

>>4388116
>improper naming is what ruined the retro game market
Sell me your Earthbound for $20, faggot

>>4387992
Fuck off hipster