/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4383689
You think Hijiri was Aleph reborn?

>>4383693
it's the only thing that makes sense with the maniax additions. what else could hijiri have done to piss off god that bad?

>>4383689
he looks like a dork
if I saw him walking down the street I'd punch him in the face

I always picked the girl in Ogre Battle because she looks cooler, I don't wanna play as some dude with no pants

>>4383750
This guy literally beat the shit out of God. Twice. Just an FYI.

Most of the SF2 designs. Pic related was the tightest shit when I first saw him.

SMT I Hero is my favorite

>>4383689
I miss Kaneko's early anime derivative designs

A true favorite is hard to say honestly accounting only retro games. Honestly all I can do is give a list of some of my favorites.

Doomguy (Doom)
Ershin (Breath of Fire IV)
Megaman and Protoman (Megaman)
Abe (Oddworld)
Slime (Dragon Quest)
Pac-Man (Pac-Man)

Mostly typical stuff I know but those ones really stick out to me. As you might be able to tell I have a bit of thing for Capcom's character's designs.
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>>4383809
SMT has some really cool designs for its humans, though of these two I highly prefer teh SMTI hero design. Really though I think the Demonica suit from Strange Journey is Kaneko's best work, that is probably my overall favorite videogame character design.
>>4383693
The information we learn from the Labyrinth of Amala highly suggest he may be a reincarnated Aleph who is being punished for opposing YHVH in SMTII. The one thing you could argue is that this information was only added in the MAINIAX version of Nocturne which expanded on the story and character of the game. It just happened that Atlus was smart and published the extended cut of the game in the West before releasing the original.
>>4383819
I enjoy all of his eras honestly. It's interesting to see the evolution from his early art seen in SMTI/II/If... to his more refined style seen in Devil Summoner and Soul Hackers to the now famous style we know now in Nocturne and Strange Journey.

I unironically must have spent at least an hour just walking around because Hawk looks so damn boss

Firebrand / the red arremer from the Gargoyle's Quest series. They're all technically different generations of characters, but the English translations persistently name them Firebrand for some reason.

Are any of the other SMT games worth playing outside of SMT 1, 2, and Nocturne? I didn't like Persona 1 and 2, and the others look atrocious.

>>4383853
Play Strange Journey on the DS. It is like a mix of SMTI/II and Nocturne. It is a first person dungeon crawler like SMTI/II but has a more developed combat system and the quality of life improvements of later games from Nocturne. It was inspired by western movies like The Thing and Damnation Alley and was created with a western fanbase in mind. It is my favorite SMT game personally.

IV is more like Nocturne as it is third person but I find the overall game just weaker. It has some nice improvements in terms of combat and mechanics and one of the greatest soundtracks ever created, this is no hyperbole, but is just not up to the quality of the other mainline games.

IV: Apocalypse is a sort of "what if" universe of IV, they are totally separate games. This game is a real mixed bag. The combat and polish in mechanics is phenomenal but the writing and story are anime bullshit and absolutely terrible. This one is great but only if you look at combat, if that alone is your thing then this one will be great in that regard. Just be ready to have to deal with some cringy cutscenes.

>>4383853
>>4383865
Unfortunately, with the success of Persona, SMT has gone down the path of anime BS. It was eventually going to hit this point anyway since the seeds of this were planted all the way back to SMT IF.

>>4383953
We can't know for sure honestly. IV had some anime bullshit but not that much honestly. It's IV:A that literally has a power of friendship ending though you can also murder all your friends so the fact that option exists makes it not total bullshit.

I don't want to get too off topic but I think it has to be accepted that with the massive success of Persona Atlus will maybe try to make mainline SMT more for a wider audience. The real question is when we will have to accept that we are playing is not really mainline we know and instead is the spinoff that is now the mainline. Little has been seen of it but SMTV looks pretty cool from the teaser they showed.

>>4383689
Aleph has too many useless belts,
>>4383809 is vastly superior

>>4383853
Both Devil Summoners are great, though only the sequel is in English.

>>4383846
what is the best of these games, if i was to only play one? Demon's Crest?

>>4383978
just get over it holmes IV:A's gameplay was insanely good, story has never been a focus in Megaten, it just doesn't matter.

>>4383689
looks like an edgelord to me

>>4385690
>story has never been a focus in Megaten, it just doesn't matter

honestly go fuck yourself. The story in 1-3 was minimalist but effective. Replacing something that is barebones but quality with something that is noisy and awful with shitty characters endlessly anime bantering back and forth is a total downgrade and it harms the atmosphere greatly.

>>4385706
>muh atmosphere
Atmosphere has nothing to do with story. Megaten is the series it is because of gameplay and design first, story last.

>Story isn't a focus of the SMT games

This is the state of vr. 1, 2, Nocturne, and the Persona series (but especially the 2 duology) all have very dark and interesting plots that are well crafted.

>>4385880
nocturnefags everyone

>>4385701
Then your probably a child who thinks anything gritty is "edgy". Do you look at movies like Mad Max and Blade Runner and think they're edgy?
>>4385880
I would say probably only P2 of those games really uses its story as a major aspect, maybe SMTII. SMTI's story is pretty simple overall, it begins with the Gotou and Thorman arc and eventually things keep scaling slowly. Nocturne's story barely fucking matters honestly. All of the reasons are shit which is where most of the "story" comes from. The MAINIAX version helped as they built upon the world and characters but still.

>>4385880
I feel SMT games have kind of vague plots, Nocturne included, it's mostly the atmosphere and the world set up for you to delve into that's fascinating. Not the actual plot.
But if you want to play classic SMT with focus on the plot, there's Devil Summoner series.

>>4385717
>Atmosphere has nothing to do with story.

>the events that take place in the world have nothing to do with the feel that the world impresses upon the player

>>4386206
Good point, I actually love SH's story.
>>4386278
>thinking specific story events are 'atmosphere'
edgy PS2-babies really need to leave

>>4383689
In-game arts for enemies from original Wasteland, as long as machines aren't concerned. It was pure imagination fuel, with proper "post-apo in late 80s" feel in it.
Modern sequel utterly lacked in this department. Shame.

And I haven't even played the game

>>4387136
I'd dick that girl

FF Legends had some cool art with it.

>>4383853
Nocturne is the only good mainline game. For good spinoffs, there's Digital Devil Saga and the Raidou Kuzunoha games.

>>4387214
No offense, but it just seems like you only played the PS2 games.
The Raidou games are nice thematically and aesthetically, but gameplay-wise they're not that good, the retro Devil Summoner games are better (and play like real Megaten games)

>>4387214
>Not Strange Journey

>>4387224
Strange Journey fucking sucks. 1st person? Really???? What a fucking shit ass game.

>>4386201
How is OP's guy gritty? He's wearing tube clothing, goggles, a Power Glove, a codpiece, and a ton of belts. He's like a turbo nerd.

I honestly have no words to describe how gorgeous she is

>>4387214
Nocturne is literally the only bad mainline game.
>>4387251
This is /vr/, 1st person is far superior.

>>4387224
Boring garbage. Also,
>handheld game
lel

Almost every classic Capcom character.

>>4383750
but he's open carrying two guns!

>>4383689
fancy and pretty, but not overdesigned

Kojima Simon is the best Simon He looks really Like a 22-years-old young man and not a deformed ogre

>>4385517
Gargoyle's Quest 1 and 2 are fairly different from Demon's Crest. 1 and 2 are structured somewhat like a hybrid between a JRPG and an action platformer. Between stages you travel on an overworld, engage in pointless random encounters, talk to NPCs, and collect permanent upgrades. Rather than granting new abilities, most upgrades make you better at what you can already do.

Demon's Crest has fundamentally similar platforming action, but there are no random battles and the game is much less linear, both in terms of stage order and how stages are completed. It's also one of the most beautiful games on the SNES. Upgrades tend to give you new abilities altogether. You can go to the final stage very early if you want. Make sure you get a password before you do if you want to go for the better endings. If you get 100% completion you unlock a difficult true last boss. The stages frequently demand a specific power to proceed so there is quite a bit of time spent going to the menu to switch to the right one, which is an unfortunate bit of tedium in an otherwise quality game.

They're all good, none are masterpieces. Most people would say Demon's Crest is the best one.

>>4383689
this guy.

But then, I'm a sucker for late 80s / early 90s urban punk culture.

this is the best megami tensei protag

>>4385517
Gargoyle's Quest 1 and 2 have more challenging platforming, Demon's Crest has much better boss fights
I replayed them all recently and personally I still like Demon's Crest the most.

>>4387662
damn that does look pretty cool. Has Megami Tensei II been translated yet?

>>4387693
the SNES remake has been translated, but it's buggier and it has a worse art style and music

>>4387524
When did Simon look like a deformed ogre?
Also
>bishounen Simon
Nah. That might work for Alu "Mommy Issues" Card, but not Simon.

>>4387694
Hmm, well I might have to try out the SNES version anyway. The partner looks cool too.

>>4387693
Famicom MTII is like 33% translated, and the project was super promising, but dmanufacture just vanished and hasn't been heard from. Really bums me out.

>>4387707
Look the Simon's quest art He looks like a dude in his 45 (ok it's XVII century but still...) with a face smashed by a frypan not counting the he-man's hair.

>>4387945
Isn't he supposed to be cursed with leprosy or some shit on Simon's Quest?

>>4387707
Look the Simon's quest art He looks like a dude on his 45 (ok it's XVII century but still...) with a face smashed by a frypan not counting the he-man's hair. I like the Bishounen one because he looks young as he really are

>>4387950
Sorry I had to correct my statement because my corrector is a pain in the ass *chuckle* and uh... Kinda I can't remember so well I Finished Simon's Quest In 2012 but I think it's right but.... A fucking smashed face.

>>4387950
I rechecked, He was cursed with some poisoning/leprosy as said in the normal ending (I got the good ending) "Although the confrontation between Simon and Dracula has concluded, Simon couldn't survive his fatal wounds. Transylvania's only hope is a young man who will triumph over evil and rid the city of Dracula's deadly curse."

>>4387224
Strange Journey is shit

>>4384202
Please don't post if you're retarded.

>>4388168
Right back at you

All of Richter's incarnations look cool but I think I like the original Blue Ryu best.

>>4388905
He's handsome yet badass on this design.I really loved Rondo of blood, I miss the loli Maria tho. She was more badass IMO

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>>4383809
>>4383819
Don't forget this kid. Uncannily following what people agree to be the school shooter archetype before what that even entails was ever established.

>>4387524
he looks like a fag

Nowadays I like Tizoc a lot, but Guy was my jam when I was a kid.

>>4387251
>>4387305
>>4383853
>so many bad opinions
i'm getting vertigo from this thread

the only bad mainline SMT is IV and its sequel. Pick up Soul Hackers on the 3DS if you have one (it's a remake of a Saturn title, so it's /vr/), it's fantastic.

>>4389046
Classic Amy's design is underappreciated

>>4389325
To be fair, there were a lot of character designs like this already(all dark, trench coats, boots, optional fingerless gloves, etc) and school shooters were no doubt copying them since everyone back then thought them as cool

>>4383750
>Katana
>Two guns
>A fucking COMP
Yeah good look bro, i'm behind four demons and my gf

My husband.

>>4385717
So like, did you play SMT1? Honestly, the story drew me in so insanely fast that I was hook, line and sucker before Thorman and Gotou even appeared. Every new development in the plot had me by the balls, I couldn't stop playing and finished the game in like a week. I don't even usually like first person dungeon crawlers that much.

>>4392347
SMTI is just really difficult for people to get into due to how it has genuinely aged in terms of combat. The game throws quite a lot of bullshit in the beginning and to someone not familar with SMTI they might not know how to abuse things in order to survive. For quite some time I didn't realize how insanely broken aliments are in this game, you basically need to abuse them to succeed.

I myself am like you and found the story fantastic, even from the very beginning it really interested me. But I think this really is a case where it only appeals to small, dedicated niche.

>>4383693
>>4383720
>>4383826
There's an interesting article on Hijiri here. I always thought it seemed kind of pointless to expand on his character after he already served his role in the story.

http://eirikrjs.blogspot.ca/2017/01/hijiri-maniacs.html

>>4392347
This. I've started the series with it and it was probably a bad idea, because I'm playing Nocturne right now and it's so fucking boring in comparison.