/vr/ - Retro Games

>MAME
Enjoy your input lag.

There are people on /vr/ who actually own the actual pcb and cab.

>>3978332

Home versions typically have more content, and are balanced around home play. Often they're more playable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLWY7fCXUwE

I'm just gonna post this talk. It's really cool. Also arcade isn't always superior

Look at Cotton: Fantastic Night Dreams
Look at double dragon. Is it double dragon I'm thinking of? Whatever, point is, arcade isn't always automatically the best version ever.

Arcade games are balanced to quickly kill the player over and over in order to suck their quarters. Play console games with proper difficulty curves.

>>3978350

this

>>3978350
Oh yes, "quarter-muncher". It sounds so much nicer than "I'm a whiny bitch that doesn't want to practice and can't stand anything challenging", right?

>>3978350
>>3978351
That wouldn't be an arguement I would use. People have mastered shmups, beat-em-ups, and whatever. When I cited Cotton I cited it because it has one very BIG factor over the arcade version, and that would be the music. It's completely redone in a fuck-year rock style and is vastly superior to the arcade version's.

>>3978353
Have fun dedicating your life to an meaningless number on a screen.

MAME falls into the same pitfalls as every other Emulator, it's easy as fuck to cheat, the experience feels cheap when you have thousands of roms queued up in a list, it's full of input lag and it's not anywhere as accurate as the authors claim to be.

>>3978356
That's another one you faggots love. I doesn't take "dedicating your life" to become better at arcade games. Playing a game for 30 minutes each day is enough. Besides, you tards spend so much time whining about this, you've got to have heaps of free time.

>>3978364
>Playing a game for 30 minutes each day is enough
You're not making it to 1cc in most games with that low a time commitment.

>>3978362
>it's easy as fuck to cheat
You need to see a psychiatrist if you feel forced to cheat on anything in life.

>the experience feels cheap when you have thousands of roms queued up in a list
You need to see a psychologist if you can't focus on a single thing and enjoy it just because there are other things available for you.


> it's full of input lag and it's not anywhere as accurate as the authors claim to be.
I haven't noticed lag in any game I've played so far, or "accuracy" problems that affected my fun.

>>3978371
In time you will. I enjoy playing good games no matter what the result, and each time the previous score is surpassed is an achievement. It's not like you're going to forget your technique after a day or two passes.

>>3978373
Input Lag on Mame is a pretty well documented thing, it led the shmups.org guys to make their own fork called shmupmame.

>>3978350
They're designed so you can't just pick it up and beat it on your first playthrough. Arcade titles require you to develop a much more thorough understanding of a game's mechanics in comparison to those with "proper difficulty curves" like you're referring to. Mastering the game comes BEFORE you actually beat it and not after several subsequent playthroughs.

>>3978371
>1cc
What's the point here, idiot? You can't beat any console game like that either.

For emulated arcade games, you just have to have a personal rule like "I'll use 5-coins at most" or as many as you like. The point is just to have fun.

>>3978371
Maybe YOU'RE not. In fact, being a poor kid who couldn't quarter feed during the couple hours a week you got to spend at the arcade was basically the beginning of the 1cc philosophy.You declined to continue so you got more play out of the one dollar you had. It might take months but it'll happen.

>>3978343
Not a fair comparison when he brings up Duck Tales as a popular retro game, Nintendofags are the only gamers stupid enough to play for roms, multiple times on different devices even.

>>3978380
What's fun about coasting through a game with no effort? I used to that, but it got boring. It's more fun when seeing the next stage is a reward, and it feels really lame and empty seeing the last boss and ending when it wasn't difficult to get there.

>>3978383
You realize that he's responsible for bringing that game to modern platforms, right? Not just that but a bunch of other Disney-Capcom NES games. It's amazing. This guy's gonna change games, I can feel it.

>>3978385
>You realize that he's responsible for bringing that game to modern platforms, right?
What are you talking about, it's just emulation.

>>3978387
Nice.

>>3978385
Also his Disney Afternoon release is kinda bollocks because you have a rewind feature that basically trivializes all the challenge in the game.

>>3978393
You know, you're right. in his talk he WAS all about adding bonus stuff to re-releases and I can respect that, I do enjoy all of the illustrations and whatnot but the rewind feature seems like a terrible idea encouraging bad habits.

Arcade games are essentially gambling, if you don't win straightaway you basically buy more continues. It's the precursor of pay2win garbage.

>>3978404

>>3978404
So anything where you're not immediately good at it is gambling?

Fuck off

There are arcade games that are rigged against the player, and there are games that provide a fair challenge.

And then there are games that try to be rigged and players manage to beat the rigging (see: battle garegga).

>>3978410
Instead of gitting gud you can BUY your way to victory, it's gambling.

>>3978413
Nobody still hasn't beaten Pink Sweets, though, as far as I know.

>>3978404
>>3978415
It's NOT really gambling if it relies on skill and not luck, anon.

>>3978410
Unfortunately that really is the attitude of these cocksuckers regarding video games. When do you think they'll start applying it to other games?

>I swung the bat and instead of getting a home run I hit a foul ball! Why does anyone like this trial-and-error artificial difficulty shit?

>>3978332
>better graphics and sounds
This is what matters to these people

>>3978415
Instead of driving safely you can BUY safer cars and better insurance. Driving is gambling.

If you're a rich fuck, every arcade game is casual.

>>3978420
Also most of the games they describe as "pay to win" are perfectly playable without paying anything. It's like playing an arcade game that's free if you watch a 20 second ad in the middle or gives you the option to use a quarter and just play without them.

They're really no worse than arcades, in many ways they're better. But certain people go crazy that they even exist.

The first arcade game that let players continue where they left off was Fantasy in 1981, and it changed the way we interacted with games forever. Previously, arcade players had just a single quarter to do their best against the machine, and everybody was on the same level. But now, people with more money to spend could keep their game going longer, removing the skill barrier. It wasn’t long before continues were standard practice, and arcade titles like Double Dragon became artificially difficult to siphon money out of your pockets.

>>3978373
>i dont notice input lag so it must not exist
every single mame user

>>3978335
nice meme

>>3978501
>This effect you barely noticed has ruined your game because I said so

>>3978531
Well if you're playing casually it really makes no difference, but if you're serious about scoring, every little thing counts.

Just don't be a piece of shit and say Mame has NO input delay, it's been proven it does.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26394

Who are you trying to impress, OP?

>>3978562
Nigga didn't expect >>3978338

>>3978457
>and arcade titles like Double Dragon became artificially difficult to siphon money out of your pockets.
are you kidding me, double dragon is one of the easiest beat em ups out there

>>3978579
That only makes the bait even more potent.

>>3978529
more like nice MAME

>>3978376
I haven't done a MAME set-up yet, but I'm interested in schmupmame, how well does it eliminate lag?

>>3978404
Good post. But did you know it's not just arcade games to worry about - right now people are buying games in shops that they will never be able to finish? They put down good money to see the ending with no effort and then lack the skills and time to see it through. Developers are happy to cheat customers in this way, calling this disgusting practice "difficulty". Many gamers today also possess an extra chromosome, making the practice a doubly sick exploitation of the disabled.
It's up to smart anons like us to stop the videogame gambling menace.

>>3978680
Credits are Microtransactions. One of the worst microtransactions are the ones that give you an advantage in the game, completely removing the need for skill entirely. If you’re not playing a game to get better at it, what’s the point? You might as well be watching anime on Netflix. Even worse, though, are the microtransactions that are basically required to progress in a game.

>>3978686
>If you’re not playing a game to get better at it, what’s the point?

Entertainment?

>You might as well be watching anime on Netflix.

Another form of entertainment. Why restrict yourself to just one though?

>>3978636
1) Get a CRT 2) get Groovymame

>>3978686
You must be one of the retards >>3978680 mentioned in his excellent ironic post. Try reading it slowly and you'll get that he was mocking people like you.

>>3978686

>Even worse, though, are the microtransactions that are basically required to progress in a game.

Seriously, this is why people started walking away from Arcades. the "hurr durr you beat the level please insert token to continue" shit. i think people romanticise an era of what was predominantly candy crush tier games

>>3978716
>"hurr durr you beat the level please insert token to continue"
Please show me a game that did that you dense sack of shit.

>>3978740
Fucking shit nigga you can't tell sarcasm for shit.

>>3978332
>a non-merged torrent.

What did he mean by this?

>>3978787
A torrent of roms not compressed into a single Zip.

>>3978338
I don't get that, why would you do that?

>>3978796
When you turn 18 you'll find out.

>>3978332
No, there are none and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

>>3978749
>just PRETENDING

>>3978796
Because you don't know how to use 7zip. Or don't know how to find a good romset so you need to check what files are inside. Or you don't trust zipped files..? I dunno, seems like a waste of space.

>>3978791
You don't know anything about MAME, so shut up.

>>3978787
See the explanation in the picture. Since you don't want to download thousands of files and many gigabytes of data to assure that you have everything needed to play just a few games, this is the best option.

Use this to know the ROM names of the games you want (for example, Pac-man is puckman.zip): http://adb.arcadeitalia.net/?search=mame&clone=0&filter_system=0&filter_bios=0&filter_device=0&filter_casino=0&filter_mahjong=0&filter_mechanical=0&filter_screenless=0&filter_hack=0&tipo_gioco=parent&driver_status=workingimperfect

Some heavier games like Killer Instinct 2 (kinst2.zip) will still require additional game data (CHD) files to be placed in the same folder, but there's also a unified torrent with all CHD files for all games (e.g. kinst2.chd).

>>3978740
There actually were a few arcade games where they did >>3978716. One example I can recall is Hydro Thunder. No matter if you won or not, you HAD to put in another credit to continue. Oh, and if you just started a playthrough you were limited with your choice of boats and courses. I even had to pay 2 euros for each credit for gods sake!

>>3978332
>yfw new arcades are opened here
>no real arcades only mobile shit like flappy bird and other android shit turned into a cabinet
>rest mechanical non-video games stuff

>>3978928
Oh I didn't know that, I learned something new.

>>3979147
>making up shit about the history of arcades
>mention euros, a currency recently created

You're fake news.

>>3979494
>>3979494
The euro is old enough to post on 4chan now. Not unsurprising it made it's way into some arcades.

>>3979147
I think that's controllable by the manager via dip switch settings, the cruisn' series were also like that.

There is definitely a technical wall to get over before getting arcade emulators to run well. I have had terrible luck finding romsets that "just work" and have almost always had to frankenstein a working set together.

Your so-called "technical wall":

- Looked up "all mame roms" on Google
- Opened the top result that says "Download Every MAME ROM Pack for Games and Systems"
- Followed the link to the convenient up-to-date torrent tracker with roms that just work
- Downloaded just the games I wanted from the non-merged rom set torrent (>>3978928)
- Downloaded the chd files for the 4 games that required it from the chd torrent
- Done.

>>3978332
playing on a REAL SEGA CONSOLE is more AUTHENTIC than playing MAME on your stupid PC
>PC asshole race

>>3981484
And too get screenshots for all the games, I just downloaded the most recent set of snapshots plus the latest update from http://www.progettosnaps.net/snapshots/ . Only 2 .zip files to be extracted to your /mame/snaps directory.

Fucking hate MAME. When will they die?

>MAME just works now
>75% of its games don't work
>no 3D game runs at full speed unless it was based on console hardware
>the easiest way to make it work is to download a 50GB torrent collection

>>3981608
>50GB torrent collection
You'd need more than that for a Patch nowadays.

>>3981608
If you pay attention he said to download individual roms you want from within the full set.

>>3981608
>no 3D game runs at full speed because i play on my moms iphone
Well there's yer problem

>>3978740
>What is the Gauntlet series

Yeah, I still play Turtles in Time and SF2T on my SNES. It just feels right.

Holy shit is /vr/ casual central.

>>3978342
>Home versions typically have more content
Port defeners seriously believe this.

>>3978332
I am trying to find out how the fuck to make mame even work. I wanted to play the simpsons arcade and donkey kong yet it is hard to set the fucking thing up.

>>3978335
>>3978546
>>3978362
>>3978376
Get one of the alternate versions of MAME that reduces input lag. Or get Final Burn Alpha.

You SERIOUSLY have no reason to play shitty ports unless you're a fucking casual.

>>3985270
>You SERIOUSLY have no reason to play shitty ports unless you're a fucking casual.
Also this since the ports of games like donkey kong and bad dudes suck ass on the consoles compared to the arcades.

The NES leaves out a level and fucks up the sound and bad dudes is just horrible on the NES and the only port is for some fucking thing called the zeeboo that even comes close to the arcade.

>Snes STG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arcade STG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay6132F5pcw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQY9p4KZT4Q

>>3978332
>it's a theme/music is remade and sounds better than the arcade version episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TkANl0GELM

>>3978332
Is this like when some fuck up is a nazi in the "PC Master Race" thing? They spend all their time congratulating themselves and giving other men hand jobs because they bought a computer to play vidya games? Is having a MAME machine the new form of that? Get a fucking life OP. Jesus.

>>3982118
He's right though, mame doesn't utilize graphic cards at al, everything is done through processor. Yes you canmake stuff run but it isn't anywhere near as efficient as it could be.

>>3978636
>but I'm interested in schmupmame, how well does it eliminate lag?
Firstly spell shmup right you cunt, second it removes a frame of lag on a handful of drivers but not all these include cave 1st gen, pgm, psikyo and a couple others i forget.

>>3978362
What a moronic statement, it's easy to cheat so we must cheat? and you can analyze inp files to tell btw so recorded runs are not easy to cheat.


>the experience feels cheap when you have thousands of roms queued up in a list
That's you being a adhd pleb cunt, I have a single or couple of games at most lined up that i stick to for months/years as a score player.

>>3978362
>it's full of input lag and it's not anywhere as accurate as the authors claim to be.
Lag is not bad enough to notice in most cases and often has more to do with laggy controller convertors and setup. It's accurate enough to become a great player on and do exactly the same thing on a real cab as proven a bunch of times, usually mame has less slowdown if anything so actually you become more competent at a game and the added slowdown of a pcb makes things easier.

>>3978371
>You're not making it to 1cc in most games with that low a time commitment.
I bet i am.

>>3978356
have fun convincing yourself you're beating a game with a good difficulty curve when in reality it's easy pleb tier bullshit that anyone with a double digit iq could achieve.

>>3978350
console games are just easy, arcade is for people who want a real challenge utilizing logic, execution and practice without hand holding. In the age of emulation the coin feeder argument is not valid. 1cc is a stepping stone,scoring is a way of life.

>>3987459
>What a moronic statement, it's easy to cheat so we must cheat?
Yes it is, our brains are wired to always take the easiest shortcut, if you know you can just put another credit and cheese the game YOU KNOW YOU WILL.

>>3987462
>I bet i am.
NO YOU'RE NOT
Admit you're never gitting gud, kiddo

also the economic argument works both ways, yes arcade is super challenging albeit doable because they wanted you to invest money to get there but console games are easy for the same reason in reverse, they want you to spend 40 quid on a cartridge and be done with it in time to buy the next release.

>>3987462
>>3987462
POST YOU'RE HISCORES BITCH NIGGA
I WANNA SEE YOU DO IT

>>3987463
wat, i'm living proof this is bullshit. I believe in hardwork and dedication in all aspects of life and like the feeling of beating something super hard legitimately. Keep convincing yourself that you're a lazy weak piece of shit for "natural" reasons though lmao. Bet you're fat for the same reason.

>>3987464
But i already am good. Practice efficiently and practice smart and you'll be surprised again don't tar everyone with your brush because your methods fail you.

>>3985786
What do you know, this does sound a lot better.
The game itself sucks though no matter what system you're playing it in.

>>3987472
Nigga I ain't fat I just have large bones. Shut the fuck up.

>>3987468
my scores are already on shmups forum, restart syndrome and a handful of vids on youtube.

>>3987475
yep poor self control and a excuse ridden mindset, you're a fat undisciplined fail cunt drowning in self deluding bullshit.

>b b but everyone c-c-cheats! rrrright guys?
>reaches for 7th twinkie

>>3987480
Luv u, shmupfags.

>>3987473
I dissagree.

>when MAME got "improved" a year ago and a game that ran almost perfectly with a few minor graphical glitches now doesn't even get past the ROM test
Honestly, MAME is just the most bloated fucking carcass of spaghetti code ever. Thanks for making me keep an old version around for the sake of a single game!

Time Crisis is STILL listed as playable even though it's had a helicopter hitbox bug that makes it effectively impossible to beat in the decade it's been "supported" for. Sure, you can cheat past it, but why can't they just fix it?

And it doesn't sort configs by anything smart like, say, device HID IDs. So if you happen to re-plug something in, like a controller, in the wrong order from last time, or you restart and your PC decides not to initialise them in the same order, then MAME can't fucking see them anymore and you have to remap everything.

>>3987459
No. He's wrong. The only one talking about graphics cards or efficiency ITT is one dingus. I play 3D games in MAME just fine. I have a decent machine that can handle it. If you can't play 3D games in MAME get one of those and stop using your moms phone.

>>3978332
I enjoy playing a lot of games that were never released to the arcades on their original hardware, if that's quite alright with you.

>>3987775
>Time Crisis is STILL listed as playable even though it's had a helicopter hitbox bug that makes it effectively impossible to beat in the decade it's been "supported" for. Sure, you can cheat past it, but why can't they just fix it?

Yeah, it's really annoying. When can we expect your patch to sort it?

>>3987838
>you can't complain about anything if you can't fix it
Solid, dude.

You're the kind of person that still defends ePSXe, huh?

>>3978332
Problem with MAME is that they require different ROMS for different games for each new build. I have a CD with a build from 2002 and I need additional files for the games to work on a modern build of MAME.

>>3987851
>EPSXe
>Closed source emulator that relies on endless shitty plugins to special case things instead of making the core emulation work properly

>MAME
>Open source emulator that anyone can work on if they have the skills, insistence on properly emulating systems instead of the plugin hell plaguing many other emulators

Hmm.. no

>>3988001
>M-Muh open sores
Just kill yourself, man. What's funny is that MAME is nothing but hacks built on top of hacks BY hacks, and going open after years didn't change anything for them.

Proper emulator development is the same exact story, every single time. One or two guys got pissed with the current offerings or lack thereof, and made something decent from the ground up.

The same issues that plague ePSXe also plague MAME, if anything, it's even worse with preserving gibberish because it aims to emulate so many completely different systems.

>>3988008
>sad rant
MAME is all about emulation as perfect as possible. If it was the bullshit you say it would run everything perfectly on an ipod.