/vr/ - Retro Games

As for the lighting, I have no idea.

The action itself is decent, but stuff in shops costs way too much. Also, it's a guide-game. Completing the game without any sort of outside information whatsoever is not my idea of a good time.

>>3588408
My thoughts? I want to play it.

Time to boot up Animal Crossing again. I still have the NES game in it.

>>3588408
Played through the whole thing a couple years ago, was a lot of fun.

Very easy to get lost though.

>>3588464

This is going to sound casual as hell, but I love playing the game with a world map, and dungeons maps. So basically, I always know what to do. But it's still fun to just play through it.

>>3588408
My best guess is they wanted a dungeon that exact shade of green, but didn't want Link blending into the background.

>>3588408
It's a trick of the eyes. Link's color did not change.

>>3588495
jesus christ fucking kys

>>3588513

are you sure? i know he's wearing the blue ring here, but the skin tone definitely looks different

>>3588560
The skin tone actually is different. All these years I just assumed it was an illusion caused by the surrounding colors.

>that one dungeon where all the water was blood

Well, it was red anyway. It was fun to imagine stuff like that.

>>3588569
You weren't the only one to think that. The 'black book'(Nintendo Strategy Guide) also stated that.

it's alright, and it started a good series, but it's a little awkward and suffers from the samey impossible to navigate maps that plagued a lot of games on the NES. the later games in the series had more to work with though and turned out extremely well.

>>3588408
I think it's still one of the best games in the series. I'm a lot more fond of Zelda 2, though, so I doubt I'll ever replay the first one.

>>3588569
>>3588630
Both dungeons 5 and 9, located on Death Mountain have red water tiles, so I presume it's supposed to be Lava.

This doesn't really explain away Dungeon 4, located on the island shrine at the same lake Dungeon 1 has.

>>3588569
I thought it was lava or something. If it was blood it would just make Nintendo even more hypocritical with their censorship.

>>3588464
I played it for the first time ever this year. I found every dungeon and most of the weapons/items without a guide.

I'm a golden god at it. That is all.

>>3588408
I tried to play but got lost as fuck, I didnt think to download the map it came with though.

It's fun except for dealing with wizzrobes. I just finished that dungeon that was full of them and I have no idea how people ever got through it without save states.

>>3588464
Zelda 1 without a guide isn't as bad as Link's Awakening or Oracle of Seasons without a guide IMO.

>>3589806
We grew a pair.

>>3589312
props.

people talk about Nintendo games being too easy. these people don't actually beat Zelda or Mario.

>>3589827
>die
>leave dungeon
>go to fairy fountain to get full health
>go back to dungeon
>have to kill everything again
>get to the boss room with 1 heart left
>die
>repeat
Fuck that. I have no time for that kind of autistic repetition.

>>3589831
NES has reputation for being too hard
SNES and newer has reputation for being too easy

>>3589857
Those games aren't going away. So maybe they aren't too easy. Maybe they're simply playing the wrong games.

Tbqh, I prefer the lore and characters more than anything. I enjoy reading fics, theories, etc about Classic Link and both Classic Zelda and Sleeping Zelda; same with fanart. It is a fun game though. Very influential and it has a great soundtrack.

I must admit, I can't play it. I have it on Virtual Console and don't know how to play it.

>try on my own
>go right
>get butt killed by octorocks in less than 5 minutes
>go another way
>just running around in circles aimlessly until I die
>use a walkthrough video
>still get killed by octorocks before I get to a dungeon

>>3589839
Just use potions.

>>3590057
>getting killed by octoroks

Aonuma please
But here's something to consider: Defense in Zelda 1 is your natural state: if you're not attacking, you're defending. This is why just mindless mashing will usually get you killed: your guard is dropped, leaving you vulnerable.

>>3589806
By being more careful

>>3591507

I literally and actually think they should just move the image size limit to under ~40KiB.

The porn, wallpaper, and photography boards (huge bandwidth wasters, $$$) will bitch and moan but fuck em, the alternative is they get the axe.

The OP of >>3588408 looks fukn great and is only 22KiB. If all pictures were like this, shit would load lightning fast, and we wouldn't need near the same bandwidth.

Its a great masterpiece of a game from the nes

What do you guys think about the BS remake? Do you think it looks better, or does it look rather bland? I'm not sure how I feel about it yet,

>>3592280
never post again

>>3592280
yuck

>>3588408
It's the only Zelda game I've cared to sit down and play start to finish. I really really like it, the adventure feeling was so real for me even with a guide.

I hope BotW takes some inspiration from it like people are saying.

>>3588408
color palette limitations, there's a number of points where the color palette is completely changed to avoid breaking the game

>>3592280
good for what it was, but I prefer the original.

>>3588464
>that can't beat old Zeldas without a guide guy

YOU DON'T NEED A GUIDE TO BEAT ZELDA 1 OR 2 IF YOU JUST EXPERIMENT A LITTLE. THE HARDEST POINTS IN BOTH GAMES IS FINDING THE POWER BRACELET, AND THE HIDDEN TOWN OF NEW KASUTO. ONE INVOLVES ACTIVATING AND KILLING THE ARMOS, WHICH ISN'T THAT MUCH A STRETCH, and THE OTHER IS SUSPICIOUSLY EMPTY EXPANSE OF WOODS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO KNOW THE HAMMER CAN DESTROY TREES TO FIGURE OUT.

>>3588408
A great game, if a bit cryptic at times.

It was also great seeking out help for the game via Nintendo Power or hotlines, or just collaborating with friends and exchanging tips. Nowadays that magic is lost with a quick Google search online. Miyamoto intended for the game to spark that sense of discovery and community, there is no shame in saying you can't beat the game blind.

>>3589831
>Zelda 1
>Hard

>>3593187
There's a difference between can't and don't want to.

IT JUST OCCURRED, TO ME THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH LEVEL FOUR MANY TIMES BUT I STILL CAN'T COMPLETE A NO DEATH RUN; BECAUSE I CAN'T BEAT ITS 4-HEAD GLEEEEOOOK!!

NO MATTER IF I TRY TO USE INVINCIBILITY FRAMES, HE JUST BLASTS ME WITH MORE FIREBALLS BEFORE I CAN GET TO HIS HEEEEAAAD.~~

~I GOTTA SAAAVE MY REVIIIIVE POTION, TILL THE LAST MOMENT I POSSIBLY CAAAN!

SO I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO USE MY BOMBS BECAUSE IF I DON'T I'M AS GOOD AS THROUGH!

BUT SOMEHOW EVERY TIME, ONCE THE SMOKE CLEARS UP HE'S STILL GOTTA HEAD AND I LOSE AGAIN!

>>3588408
Who Zeldo Randomizer here?
>tfw you have to choose through digging through a wizzrobe laden 7 for a 1-in-3 chance of silver arrows, or take a chance they're in 9.
>and your race opponent you don't know where he is, but he's almost assuredly right on your tail - and he might have gotten the magic sword too.

>>3594939
The 4-headed gleeok is in level 8 bro. It's a 2-head in level 4, 3-head in levels 6 or 7, I don't remember exactly which.

>>3593187
>IF YOU JUST EXPERIMENT A LITTLE
You mean a lot, and by experiment you mean simply bomb, burn, push, and pull everything. Because that's what you need to do. You're right that you don't need a guide, but you're going to spend a lot of time doing tedious exploration for shit like the power bracelet if you don't know where or how to get it and the game doesn't tell you either.

>>3596758
Level 6 has the Cerberus Gleeok. By then you should have at least wand and white sword to kill the fag in 4-5 hits.

>>3589806
>It's fun except for dealing with wizzrobes. I just finished that dungeon that was full of them and I have no idea how people ever got through it without save states.
Git gud.

Alternatively, you could hide out in the doorway and when one comes close you run out, stab him, then run back into the doorway like a little green chicken.

>mfw a Wizzrobe gets stuck on a door and won't leave.

>>3597770
This. Magic shield can also help sometimes (assuming you can mash it out of a like-like should that happen)

Bombs are also your friend - its how the speedrun kills most of them.

>>3589806

you as a person make me sad

>>3588464
The game came with a manual and complete map. Even if we remove the map from the equation, the manual alone has a step-by-step guide on exactly where to go to reach level 1 as well as a map pointing you to level 2. After that finding level 3 is a cakewalk, 4 is easily found by utilizing a dungeon item, 5's location is given by an NPC, 6 is easily found, 7's location is given by an NPC, 8's entrance is hinted at by an NPC(this may be vague but the tree that hides level 8 stands out), and 9's location is also given by an NPC.

>>3589839
>get red potion
>explore dungeon
>be near death during exploration
>chug red potion
>get to boss
>chug blue potion if the boss kicks your ass

>>3588408

>What are your thoughts on the original Legend of Zelda?
Tied with Ocarina of Time for my favorite Zelda. I hope to god that Breath of the Wild can bring back its sense of free roaming.

>Also, I noticed that the lighting in this dungeon is different from the others. What was the intention here? To make it seem brighter? Look at Link's coloration.
Limitations of the NES 128 colors. Funny thing is, whenever I replay the game, I always wait to get the blue ring under after level 3. Because I love how Link blends into the level. Green is also my favorite color so I'm a bit bias.

Also, have a speed run for your troubles.

https://youtu.be/2tbok07gzs8?t=48

>>3590057
>reading fucking fan fiction based on a game you've never even beaten
You should probably end your life to be quite honest famicom.

>>3598860
Actually, the map wasn't complete.

>>3600576
Using this map was a godsend for what I thought was a cryptic mess of a game. I beat LoZ last summer using that map, a pen, my wits, and an occasional walk through. I had a lot of fun, once you actually know what you're doing it becomes way more enjoyable and the land just becomes this immersive landscape with fun combat and deep challenge. Pretty fun experience. Pic related.

Is the Second Quest better designed than the first?

>>3600415

>>3600627
I wouldn't say that it's better or worse designed, I would say that it is designed to be harder and sometimes down right mean.

>>3600576
>scanlines on the enemies

Devs intended this

I'm the weird one who prefer Zelda 2 over the 1

I played through all of Zelda 1 properly for the first time this year with a complete world map and save states. I enjoyed it, but there was the occasional moment where I thought that figuring it was pure chance. Like in Second Quest where you're able to slide through certain walls by pushing against them. I happened to do it myself by accident the first dungeon it showed up, but I can't help but think that an element of luck or outside help is required for something like that. I also played the FDS version, so loading screens were pretty interesting.

>>3602913

devs were betting on the fact that 1 in 100 kids would discover it by chance and word travels quickly when kids talk about games. what seems like bad design is actually somewhat brilliant.

>>3602913

I played with a walkthrough too. If I didnt, I think I would go fucking crazy. I would never find those hidden heart containers or those hidden rupee spots under trees or behind unmarked walls. I do like the sense of mystery they add to the world, but when actually trying to find shit it's very frusturating.

>>3602963
I've played through most of this game today.
Not only did I find all the hearts, and most of the hidden money stashes. I found all the fuckers who made me pay for their doors.

It's pretty intuitive where you can bomb and where you can't. Bombs are pretty cheep too.
After world 7, you have the red candle, and can torch the whole forest in a few moments.

Lastly, the world is pretty small and easy to cross. Doesn't take much to try everything in every square.

And with that, I'm off to buy another red potion and hopefully finish level 9 without dying again.

>>3592280

heresy

A Zelda title at it's purest. Game play wise it is amazing yet simple all around but also secretive something that is commonly neglected but to me really invokes the imagination. It isn't my favorite but it has no problems aside from cardinal only movement but the game play is designed around that so I give it a pass. I like it more for it's atmosphere than game play. Not the aesthetics of ingame as much as the artwork but the presentation it gives you making you feel like you are experiencing a legend. No other Zelda but the Adventure of Link really gave that impression.

>MUH BOMB EVERYTHING posters

Why don't you actually tell him how to get BOMBs you tryhards?

For such a necessary tool, you should know there's only two ways to gets bombs.

1. Kill 9 enemies in a row without getting hurt. The 10th enemy will drop bombs.

2. Feed a bomb to a Dodongo. Then drop another one in front of it right after. it will go off, stunning the dodongo. Kill with sword. This is a guaranteed 4 bomb drop.

>>3607909
Two ways is right.
So you're not wrong there.

Buy them.
Kill blue things. Blue things drop bombs more often than orange things.
Suppose you could do the dodongo thing. But fuck me if I don't end up feeding the fuckers or missing them entirely wasting my bombs instead of farming more.
Killing blue things or spending 20 rupees is much easier in my opinion.

>>3607909
Not quite true. If you kill 9 enemies in a row without a hit, killing the 10th will drop a bomb...IF you use a bomb to kill it. Otherwise it'll be a 5-rupee drop.

Enemies in the "Bomb-dropping" item group (most blue overworld enemies, most red dungeon enemies, plus Vires) can drop when the global kill counter is at 1, 3, or 6. The clock item only can drop when the global counter is at 4 - you can use this to gauge where your count is to make sure you kill bomb-dropping enemies on 1/3/6.

>>3609775
>Follow-up
It has been discovered that stabbing the old man in dungeons does increase your consecutive kill counter - so if you take a hit, then stab the dude 9 times you can force a bomb drop by bombing the next enemy you see.

Also keep in mind that enemies in item drop group C (which is the bomb-dropping group) only yields an item about 30-35% of the time. So if you're completely blind to the global counter's position, it's about 10% chance of a "random" drop.

>>3607909
you can skip the "feed a bomb to a dodongo" actually and just stun it with one bomb

>>3592280
I remember from my childhood there was some kind of level editor where you could chose what kind of graphics you want.

Anyone know what the hell that was about?

>>3610162
Zelda Classic?

>>3609778
How is any of this necessary to know?
Just by blindly farming blue guys for a few minutes will yield bombs in a few minutes at most.
Sure, it's neat to know the actual mechanic behind when and why you get a drop when you do. But it's completely useless information when blind retarded playing will get you want you want in short order anyway.
Hell, if six year old me can manage, I'm pretty sure any adult will have no problem with it.

>>3610219
If you're just playing to play for the first time, for the experience? It's probably not that needed.

If you're trying to outrace your buddy who thinks he's hot shit at zelda, or using the randomizer, or speedrunning, then it's incredibly useful to know.

>>3588408
Beat it for the first time a few days ago. No guide, drawing my own shitty map and making notes. Exploring and figuring things out was part of the fun, so I'm certain that it was an all-around better experience than if I had just used a guide. Blue Wizzrobes are kind of dicks though.

I haven't done the second quest yet, I'll probably put if off for a bit and tackle some other game I've never gotten around to beating.

>>3589806
perseverance

>>3589839
Millenial detected

I loved it.

I didn't really play it until I unlocked it in Animal Crossing though. I had no internet, so no walkthroughs, and my friends didn't give a shit about old games, so no word of mouth. And I wasn't smart enough to think about making my own maps.

But dammit I still had fun beating it. It took a good week or two and my death count was in the 400s.

Now I've managed to clear it with no deaths. Feels good man.

But I still haven't beaten that 2nd quest.


I wish casuals would ease up on it. They get lost for a few minutes and say it's impossible to beat without a guide. I know from experience that it's not.

>>3600576

I wish I knew about the item drops years ago.

I spent ages trying to get bombs out of the weaker enemies.

>>3589029
Because they are in the same lake

>>3612547
Sick map.

Truly the way the game was meant to be played.

>>3614132
this
I beat it without a guide a couple years back... I don't really understand why people harp on it. it's not even the hardest zelda. I guess the way some people think just doesn't jive with certain video games, which is perfectly fine
just wish they wouldn't make untrue statements