/vr/ - Retro Games

It seems to me that's all the N64 expansion pack actually did. The only function that thing had was to make stuff reflective and make Donkey Kong 64 magically work.

>>2136415
oh didnt pd run in 480i? Im pretty sure it did

>>2136419
Wow. Defensive.

>>2136442
sorry, didnt mean to, youre probably right it was only used for prettier textures and reflections

Perfect Dark > Goldeneye

You know it to be true, anons.

>>2136118
ayy lmao

>>2136415

iirc DK64 actually was a normal N64 game that however had a game breaking glitch that COULD make it crash randomly- or not at all, as with all these sneaky little bugs. That did however not occur with expanded RAM. Rare never really figured out WHY but THAT it behaved this way. Since they already knew that Perfect Dark would come next, which definitely needed the expansion pak, they figured that it would be best to keep the glitch and just add the Expansion Pak as a bundle, it being required later anyway.

>>2136419
>oh didnt pd run in 480i? Im pretty sure it did
No.

NTSC-
320x222 Low. 640x222 High.
PAL-
320x268 Low. 448x268 High.

Very few N64 games ran at 480i. Even Factor 5 games may or may not actually run at 480i.

Also, I think Vigilante 8's ultra high resolution option might be 480i.

>>2136419
It does have the option yes. But you'll get to unplayable framerates esp. if you play the campaign at the harder levels (the AIs become advanced enough to eat CPU cycles I suppose)

>>2136582
well technically the N64 always outputs 480i, it's just that it's upscaled...

>>2136489
DK64 does use the Pak. They had two builds, one with and one without. They just made the one with mandatory.

>>2136468

>>2136463
campaign yeah.

>>2136463
I thought this was the popular opinion?

>>2136463
It is objectively the superior game.

Only thing Goldeneye really had over Perfect Dark was a more believable story. Perfect Dark got a bit ridiculous from Area 51 onwards.

>>2137515
>objectively
I don't think you know what that word means anon.

Some people might think Perfect Dark's missions are too gimmicky or it's level design is worse.

>>2137515

>objectively
>>>/v/

this board has gone to shit since kids are home for christmas

>>2136463

ill admit this is true in terms of pretty much all features (as In "PD has better graphics" "PD had better guns" "PD had better multiplayer etc"), but i will always like goldeneye more for some reason.

>>2137121
lel'd

>>2137591
>it's level design is worse

Not a fan of either game but I agree with this one. GoldenEye has weak level design, while Perfect Dark takes it to whole new depths. It's enough to make PD less fun.

>>2137601

this board has been shit for a long time. try paying attention

>>2136118
I don't know what you're talking about. There aren't that many shiny things in Perfect Dark. Not in the sense of using that metallic "objects always reflect the sky even when indoors" effect, I think it's a cubemap. I know Goldeneye uses it for the magnum, golden gun, knives, etc. but I don't remember it much in Perfect Dark.

>>2137932
I just fired PD up and there are those glossy maps on quite a few things in the first level. Your gun, all the glass, on certain sides of the fancy wooden doors, on the metal trim and the struts outside the building. Never bothered me though. If anything is "blinding" in PD it's those overbright light halos everywhere.

>still playing the n64 version

i've played the n64 version since it came out, but when i first played the XBLA version I couldn't go back. there are some minor problems with it, but otherwise it's a perfect HD port

>>2137976
But being able to shoot all those lights out was, and sort of still is, an innovative and unique thing.

>>2138132
Also this, Perfect Dark XBLA is fantastic
The only downside is that Goldeneye is sitting fully completed on a Dev Kit in middle England never to be released.

>>2138132
>Not playing the N64 version for the superior two controller setup
Seriously though, did anyone ever use that?

>>2138148
I tried to use it a couple nights ago in Goldeneye. I couldn't for the life of me get used to it. Guess all those years of muscle memory can't be easily overcome.

>>2138148
>>2138248
I remember trying it ages ago and wondering how you're supposed to press the A and B buttons.

>>2138143
>The only downside is that Goldeneye is sitting fully completed on a Dev Kit in middle England never to be released.

I've heard that pic related is pretty good

that's what "shit" means right

that's how kids these days say something is good

>>2138527
>Daniel Craig in a Brosnan role
This was the first mistake.

Nothing against Craig, but if EA could get Connery to do From Russia With Love, Activision could get Brosnan back for Goldeneye.

007 Legends is an even bigger offender, putting Craig in ALL the previous Bonds' roles.

>>2138527
It's not. It's CoD with a Goldeneye skinpack.

>>2138132

All the characters look like mannequins wearing latex masks though. At least in the original game the textures looked natural.

I emulate it on 1964 with the 60fps mod and mouse injector, but I still primarily play it on the N64.

>>2138132
I wish it was on PC.

>>2138557
The faces looked horrible in the original as well, though. Very smudged looking.

How should I go about playing PD over netplay?

>>2138750
Your best bet is the AQZ netplay plugin, I think. I haven't looked into better netplay in a year, or a few, but this was the best last I knew.
http://forum.pj64-emu.com/showthread.php?t=1973

>>2138768
I've asked that question many times and never got an answer. Thank you.

>>2138771
Well, good luck! Post about how it goes.

What happened /vr/?
In this game from 2000, you can:
>Shoot guns out of enemies hands
>When disarmed, enemies either pull out a new gun, attack physically, run, or surrender
>Play with a wide variety of simulants
>Use every weapon in two modes
>Customize your character albeit crudely
>Difficulty levels change objectives
>See worse when poisoned/confused/etc
>Find a piece of cheese in every level

I thought this was going to be a standard when I was a kid, but it's just as rare as it was then...

>>2138785

Disarming enemies is kinda gimmicky for an FPS and it only matters for the PA objective in Carrington Villa. But more objectives being added on higher difficulty levels should definitely have become a standard thing, it made the game so much more interesting on higher levels.

>>2138787
I just think if you're running around without a weapon/out of ammo you should have the ability to disarm people.

Perfect dark pushes the n64 to its limits. Anyone who says its a bad game is either a hipster, a troll or someone that knows nothing about videogames.

>>2138787
How exactly is slapping a gun out of someones hand "gimmicky"? People can do that in real life.

>>2138785
>>Difficulty levels change objectives

I like that Carrington Villa changes where you start on the hardest difficulty.

I thought it was cool that in some cases, you could unfail an objective.

>>2138885
Which ones? I can't remember actually unfailing objectives.

>>2138892
>second Area 51 mission
>destroy box right at the start
>fail mission
>throw Dragon in secondary mode near cracked wall and explode it
>mission unfailed
Actually more convenient than carrying the box there, the disadvantage is that you lose a weapon.

>>2138908
Ahhhh, perfect example. I considered cheats after the fact, but this is a much better solution.

>>2138908
>the disadvantage is that you lose a weapon.

You could still get a new one from another corpse.

>>2138919
I'm almost sure there are more, but I can't remember.

>>2138527
>I've heard that pic related is pretty good
Yes, it is very good. Ignore the whiny naysayers. People who compare it to Call of Duty are fucking retarded. The game has a heavy stealth focus and has very similar game mechanics to the Metro games. GoldenEye Wii is a Eurocom Bond game. Yet somehow people expect it to play like a Rareware game? Why? Why should respected James Bond developer Eurocom change their style to make their game resemble a Rareware one? Goldeneye Wii is (loosely) based on the god-tier film, not Rareware's game.

That said, the writing in GoldenEye Wii is shit. Thanks, Bruce "AND THEN BOND SOLVED ALL HIS PROBLEMS WITH HIS FUCKING PHONE" Feirstein. He pissed all over the fantastic movie. NONE of the film's iconic lines are in the game. The characters are all ruined. (Except for Bond himself.)

>>2138785
>just as rare

>>2138143
>The only downside is that Goldeneye is sitting fully completed on a Dev Kit in middle England never to be released.

Holy shit! There was going to be a Goldeneye XBLA port?!?

>>2138865
McDojo warriors may swear by disarmament but it pretty much never happens- not that realism is the standard of gimmickiness.

>>2138557
>I emulate it on 1964 with the 60fps mod
I'm trying to give Perfect Dark another shot after playing through GoldsteinEye. Is there an ideal graphics plugin for the game compatible with 1964 Ultrafast?

I miss cutscenes with people punching keyboards. That always made me laugh.

>>2140217
I completely forgot about this

>>2139254
Yeah, Rare made it alongside the Perfect Dark port.
The problem is that they needed Nintendo's permission to publish it, and even with an offer to port the updated game to Wii, Nintendo refused, so only Perfect Dark was released.

>>2138787
I liked disarm because honestly, melee weapons don't stand a chance against any gun without some sort of gimmick. Punches bluring vision of opponents or disarming them was a great addition, even if getting someone into a corner and punching them to death became incredibly frustrating when dealing with a blurry screen for a bit.

Still not as bad the time a buddy of mine got stuck in an N-Bomb for a while, I had thrown them into a small room as proxy mines and he was so disoriented he couldn't find his way out.

>>2140247
I remember a friend trying to throw one through the window of one of the doors in the ship sea mission.

>>2140247
>N-Bomb
>Proximity Pinball
Jesus christ was that a fun function

Perfect Dark has a fair few glossy texture map effects, but it also has lots and lots of coronas.

>>2138143
>Goldeneye is sitting fully completed on a Dev Kit in middle England never to be released
Apparently it was going to be fully leaked w/ source today, I guess that was bullshit archive.today/u2HAo

>>2139112
>Yet somehow people expect it to play like a Rareware game? Why?

Maybe because it claims to be a remake of a Rareware game? It plays like ass, it looks like ass, the characters are shit and it isn't anything like the game nor the movie. It fails in all regards.

>>2142353
>Maybe because it claims to be a remake of a Rareware game?
it didn't

that's just a label that stupid people have applied to the game

obviously the game was trying to sell itself based on the 1997 game's good reputation

they actually tried this trick once before with a game called goldeneye rogue agent

>>2140349
N-Bombs were god-tier, even if they did slow multiplayer down to a crawl

>>2142387
I hated N-bombs with a passion. 110% of the time I'd rather play with Farsights than N-bombs.

>>2139254

Seriously?..

>>2142348

I can't believe how hard they failed trying to guess the game..

>>2142348

> having the source of GoldenEye/Perfect Dark

>>2140243

It was actually more complex than that. Microsoft wanted the rights since it was made by Rare, Activisiiom wanted it since they have the rights to make new Bond games, and Nintendo wanted it since it was originally on n64

>>2142348
I've been waiting for this to happen since they announced it was cancelled, hell we only even know it existed because of a leak. I'm surprised it has never come out.

>>2137040

>DK64 does use the Pak. They had two builds, one with and one without.

Is there a ROM available of the one that doesn't use the pak?

>>2143970
Why? It's the same exact game, it just doesn't work as well.

>>2143970
Nah, the pak-less version was shelved quite a while before release when they couldn't fix that bug.

I think the only difference is a higher resolution maybe.

>>2143971

I have an Everdrive 64 and no expansion pak.

I thought I had one because I had a vague memory of playing DK64 (thinking again it wasn't even my N64 at the time lel) so I assumed the expansion pak was already inside, but nope.

Then to add to the farce I bought one from some guy who sent me an expansion pak package box with a jumper pak inside. I haven't been able to reclaim the money yet and don't know if I ever will...

So does a ROM of that version exist? I don't mind if it's buggy, I just want to play it.

Dr. Pavel. I'm CIA.

>>2138557
>the original perfect dark with mouse support, no fps cap, and online
This would be the only video game I'd ever need ever again.

>>2144016
You could almost say...it would be...perfect

>>2144032
>mfw