/vr/ - Retro Games

You're missing Final Fantasy Tactics - War of the Lions.

>>1871213
4 is decent, but 6 is probably the best 2d one from the main series.

Where are you in 7, out of curiosity?

>>1871225
I think I'm at the part where Cloud sneaks out of Aerith's house at night and goes to a town or something? It looks kind of like a circus if I remember correctly.

>>1871213
I suppose IV (II in the US) would be a good choice if you like the classic RPG style. Nice music and a good story.

V is probably my favourite due to the Job System in which you can mix abilities from different classes. Story and characters can be a bit bland but gameplay more than makes up for it.

>>1871213
>Am I missing any really good ones?
V
Tactics A2 and Classic Tactics

>>1871213
>>1871231
>isn't motivated to play FFVII because he thinks it's overrated
>is literally only one hour into the game
For the love of god, stop parroting other people's opinions and actually play the game and make up your own.

>>1871260
I went in with very high expectations, because I heard it was one of the greatest games of all time. I was extremely disappointed when I played it. Maybe the game just has a slow start, but from what I've played, its sappy and cheesy, the graphics look extremely dated even for their time, the gameplay isn't any more exciting than any other Final Fantasy title, the music and atmosphere weren't all that great, and the whole "but muh feels, Aerith dies!!1!" scene has already been spoiled for me because the internet thinks its the saddest thing ever and won't shut the fuck up about it.

>>1871278
>I've played, its sappy and cheesy
Like every video game? ff7 has some really surprising bits of dialogue that would never appear in more modern square/bioware games that people always love to say have great writing.

> the graphics look extremely dated even for their time,
Then you're a big dummy. Look at how blurry and shitty 6 looks and compare it to the awesome pre-rendered backgrounds of this game and all of their details. Even the lego people are an improvement over the sprites in ff6, which have like three animations (ff7 does all sorts of subtle little things with the animations, so even if the models are pretty bad they still have personality)

>the gameplay isn't any more exciting than any other Final Fantasy title
Which you can tell when the only things you can do in the game are "attack" and "cast generic attack spell"? You haven't ran into any of the interesting enemies, don't have any party members and I don't think you can even fucking buy any materia an hour into the game.

> the music and atmosphere weren't all that great
You didn't like the opening music? What about wall market, have you even gotten that far yet? The cyberpunk-inspired midgar might not be for you (even though it has a lot of really great little things that make it feel more unique then just GENERIC BLADE RUNNER-ESQUE CITY #900, but after you leave that the game gets all sorts of great atmosphere of a different kind)

> the whole "but muh feels, Aerith dies!!1!" scene has already been spoiled for me because the internet thinks its the saddest thing ever and won't shut the fuck up about it.
It's a good thing that because this is the only thing everyone won't talk about, there are at least a half dozen other really awesome moments that nobody ever spoils.

I only recently played the game myself, and I was really surprised at how it actually did live up to the hype (and how people seemed to remember this game "wrong" when it came to describing characters in it)

>>1871321

>Then you're a big dummy. Look at how blurry and shitty 6 looks and compare it to the awesome pre-rendered backgrounds of this game and all of their details.

idc about the rest of your post but naw, 6 is still a gorgeous game. 7 is really bizarrely ugly, especially in the character designs but a lot of the pre-rendered backgrounds aren't very appealing to me either.

8 and 9 meanwhile are gorgeous in the background department to this day, 9 especially.

>>1871457
what? ff12 is great -despite the kids are always in the adults way

>>1871213

>Stopped playing because I read online that it sucks

You are a fucking moron. I almost have no words. Unfortunately for you though...

I get that it's not popular and that lots of people legitimately don't like it for various reasons, but god damn son. Make up your OWN fucking mind about shit like that.

FFVIII is a different kind of game than the others, it can be broken easily (monster stats early on) if you use a guide or are a super genius (not that you'd need to worry about that...), magic is item based, if you don't understand the junction system you're just fucked and the plot ranges from sappy to "WTF am I reading!?", but it is in no way a bad game, nor does it suck. It's just up to what you're looking for in an RPG. And there's a lot good about it too:

The card "mini"game is effectively it's own entire separate game within FFVIII, you can totally customize stats and who gets what skills, you can make your own magic out of items and cards, there's as many side quests as any other FF, the characters are likeable (IMO) and the music is the best in the series. But once again, it's all about what you like, not what the crowd around you thinks you should like.

But on that note, if you have to defer to the internet to get an opinion about something without making up your own goddamned mind, then just put FFVIII away on your shelf where it'll make your collection look nice and complete and never speak of it again. Games like FFVIII require you to be able to think to be enjoyed, since you clearly can't, you'll hate it.

Fucking retarded asshole.

>>1871213

My FF power rankings:

>FF - 4/5: a fun but basic RPG. NES version is the best
>FFII - 2/5: less fun, less basic, fairly broken game with a "meh" plot. PSP version is best
>FFIII - 3/5: It's entertaining and all, but I just can't get into it. My loss I guess. NES version is my preferred, but the DS version is clearly the best
>FFIV - 2/5: ultra linear, no choices in who's in your party and when, pretty mindless and generic "challenge" that can be overtaken as long as you leveled up enough and "WTF!?" inducing plot. PSP version is the best
>FFV - 3/5: had tons of potential, especially with it's handeling of the job system, but the gameplay gets in the way. It's just kind of a boring game IMO. Once again, my loss if anything.
>FFVI - 4/5: pretty great game, and basically the formula that rules JRPGs to this day. It was awesome then, now it can seem generic in the crowd. Still a really enjoyable game overall.
>FFVII - 4/5: surprisingly fun game with occasionally cringe inducing plot and medium level of character customization. The gameplay and sheer amount and quality of minigames carry this one
>FFVIII - 4/5: I like it a lot because it does it's own thing and I find the characters to be likeable. I also love the level of micromanagement it has.
>FFIX - 3/5: middle the road, average game with very little imagination and an honestly painfully slow battle system. Still not a bad game, but not really something I'm going out of my way to play.
>FFT - 3/5: I'm not crazy about it, as it's a little hand holdy in-combat (are you SURE you want to perform that fairly basic action? REALLY!? ARE YOU FUCKING SURE!?!?!?!) and the plot is "meh", but it's not bad per se. It's just boring as fuck and only for people who love class systems and "challenging" games.

why does no-one talk about 3?

i started the windows phone port the other day and, aside from a rudderless story and occasional irritating job-shift it's pretty good. is it just so overshadowed? it does play like an awkward middle child.

>>1871213
>Final Fantasy Legend
This game is amazing, and pretty easy. I even beat the game using a single human one time. The music is great and the monster meat is delicious.

>there's a PSP version of FFIII

Live and learn. Any changes?

Judging by JRPG standards (halve all scores for true rating):
FF1 1/5 - boring grindfest
FF2 0/5 - like FF1, but broken
FF3 1/5 - marginally better than FF1, still too boring to play
FF4 2/5 - Also boring, but clear improvement over the NES games
FF5 3/5 - Best battle system of the main series, nothing else interesting
FF6 3/5 - Good first half, falls to pieces at the World of Ruin. I lose all motivation to continue here.
FF7 5/5 - Great setting, memorable characters, best story of any FF.
FF8 3/5 - I want to rate this higher for its ambition, but really it's even more broken than FF2 and the story sucks.
FF9 1/5 - Boring NES throwback cliche, only with better graphics and worse load times.

>>1871321
>Look at how blurry and shitty 6 looks
Turn your emulator filter off

>>1871213
>It's extremely overrated in my opinion. I don't see why people obsess over this one.
Personally not my favorite FF It's story was a direct lift from VI, which was kind of disappointing, but FFVII isn't overrated, it deserves all the love it gets because it is a great game. I'd say its more over-exposed than anything, since you see it at the top of most "Best JRPG Lists" by people who know nothing about JRPGs, and because of Kingdom Hearts, Advent Children and Crisis Core it can seem a little overwhelming and the hype can destroy the game(like it can any other game). Also, you're still at the beginning, it gets so much better after Midgar.

>I started it, but then I started reading online that this game sucks and that its a waste of time. Does it get better?
Play the game. Everyone told me VIII was shit, and I played it and had a pretty ok time. Don't just listen to what people online say, play the game yourself.

>>1871687
>>1871553
>>1871579
Also, if we're rating them, I guess I can throw my 2 cents in.

>FF - 2.5/5: Simple and broken on NES, but for the time it was really fun, and you can still get enjoyment out of it today(moreso the remakes than the original)
>FFII - 1/5: Absolutely broken, retarded leveling system and horrible enemy placement("Go right and die!"). The only thing interesting and memorable about this title is the villain and the more intricate plot.
>FFIII - 3/5: Fun game, amazing sprite graphics, mystical world, good but bogged down by tedious Job System
.FFIV - 3.5/5: First amazing FF, added lots of dynamic story elements and brought back the original gameplay, and although it kind of feels like a cheesy soap opera, it can still tug at the heartstrings.
FFV - 4.5/5: Truly underrated FF, does things imply and astounds the played with how well they do it. Fixed Job system is extremely fun, the characters are lovable and memorable, and has some of the best scenes in the franchise.
FFVI - 5/5: The pinnacle of retro Final Fantasy and SNES JRPGs IMO. Everything about it is absolutely sublime, the characters, the hilariously broken Magicite System and the feeling of growth you get while playing. I can't even describe how much I love this game.
>FFVII - 4.5/5: Another amazing installment, and definitely the best of the PS1 trilogy for me. Gameplay is basically the Magicite system done right, and damn is it fun. Characters are fun and empathetic, and it has some great moments. Only problems are that the story is too much like VI's and that it started the trend of FF's being linear until the last disc.
FFVIII - 3/5: Ambitious for what it tried to do, however overall it was a failure. The Junction System is confusing at first, but easy to manage later(still tedious), but its main downfall is that you basically have to spam GFs to win. Characters are bland, only interesting ones are Squall and Laguna, and the story is subpar to stupid(amnesia)

>>1871213

>>1871714
Hot damn did I fuck that up. I guess that is what I get for running on two hours of sleep over the past couple of days.

>FFIX - 4/5: A great callback to early entries with a fun battle system, but ultimately strays away from making a great, unique FF due to the aforementioned callbacks. Characters range from amazing(Zidane and Vivi) to bland and meaningless(Freya), and the story suffers from the same bad plot twists VIII did, however not as retarded.
>FFT - 4.5/5: Amazing, great story and fun gameplay, along with some awesome twists and great characters.

X and XII are pretty good too, but they aren't retro so I won't include them.

>>1871714
>you basically have to spam GFs to win
Only if you don't understand how the combat system works. Spamming limit breaks is far more effective.

>>1871517
This guy is a bit harsh, but I agree with him, and I don't even like VIII. To not even give something a try because the internet thinks it sucks rather foolish. Think for yourself.

>>1871714
>but its main downfall is that you basically have to spam GFs to win

Nope.

>>1871464
are you emulating it? what kind of display are you using and what settings?

>>1871457
I stopped at 9, didn't really like the world or the characters. (or ever the music)

I'm thinking about buying the FFX remake, or it the original better?

>>1871745
I don't know if I'm in the minority here, but I'd take the original over those realistic models any day.

>>1871750
what about this?

>>1871751
That just looks fucking weird.

>>1871745
>>1871750

I like it for a change of pace, just wish they could add bump-mapping and real shadows to the engine.

>>1871753
I think it always looked wired...

>>1871760
*weird*

>>1871751
>>1871753

what about this? its a lot closer to the original model's aesthetic. but not too much.

>>1871764
>still need to fix up wedge and jessie

>>1871751
that is just obscene

>>1871764
The bodies are alright, but the heads just look goofy. It's like DK mode or something. If the heads were scaled down, it might be ok. Barret doesn't look too bad, though.

>>1871771
The heads are meant to look goofy, they're the chibi renditions.

>>1871771
>>1871779

Yep, that just the chibi art style, most 8,16 and 32-bit RPG's used that look

and some still use it.

>>1871779
>>1871782
Well, that's kind of the problem. The more realistic battle models clash with the chibi proprotions. You're getting the worst of both worlds. Bravely Default looks fine, because it's stylized to look that way. If you just shrink down the bigger models to sizes they weren't meant to be, it looks dumb.

>>1871779
>>1871782

>1871771 wants it to look like this.

>>1871786
Fuck, man, Marlene looks like a 30yo midget.

Good thing about having experienced VII: You have gone through the adventure of your life.

Bad thing about having experienced VII: Nothing will ever appeal to you like this game and your gaming life is forever doomed.

>>1871795
This kind of looks like the first FF syndrome.

>>1871785
>If you just shrink down the bigger models to sizes they weren't meant to be, it looks dumb

but that's not what the artist did at all. they just re-textured the older models and added a few polys

and ff7 always had chibi over-wold models with full sized battle versions (lots of games did that)

(pic related)

>>1871786
interesting art, got more?

>>1871541
>FFV
Curious, have you ever played the Ancient Cave mod yet?

>>1871809
> ff7 always had chibi over-wold models with full sized battle versions

I know. I think that's fine. I think it's a problem when you try and combine them, though. And they definitely at least used the heads from the battle models for those, which is probably why it looks so strange.

>>1871814
maybe...

>>1871786
>>1871823

those fucking ducklips

>>1871823

>>1871828
you like?

>>1871834
>>1871836

>>1871842
hmmm...

>>1871846
I starting to think this artist lady might have some issues.

alt art thread?

>>1871836
Ok that fagtron Cloudette is too fucking much for me.

>>1871862
Jessie <3

>FF1 (Origins)
4/5: Fairly good, especially for the first outing. I wish that before the merger Square would have made one like this.

>FF1 (PSP)
3/5: They ruined the balance with the MP system. The new dungeons are cool, but it's hardly worth playing through the game for it.

>FF3 (DS)
4/5: I'm surprised they didn't make this bonecrushingly easy. Sure the graphics aren't my cup of tea, but I had fun. My god that final dungeon is grueling.

>FFIV (PS1, closest to Super Famicom that we got outside Japan)
4/5: I actually love the story, and it's straightforward gameplay compared to later games gives it it's own charm.

>FFIV (GBA, Euro edition)
5/5: If it wasn't for the color, difficulty, and sound nerfs, I would call this how the PS1 should have been made. I love the additions, the postgame dungeon is by far my most favorite addon content of these ports and finishing the game with Cid is pretty cool.

>FFV (GBA)
5/5: Dat battle system. Dat non-serious script both in the original and translation combined. Dat feeling when you bring out the cannons. I just wish it was slightly more difficult.

>FFVI (GBA, an edition similar to what's on vrshares)
3/5: Eh. I love the story and characters, but is it just me or is this super easy to win even with the bugfixes. I realize this is FF and it's not supposed to be hard, but it's so easy to make everyone a god in this one.

>FFVII
4/5: I view this as VI's further improvement. I like the battle system's changes, the plot is pretty good, and I even enjoy the graphics in a way. I just wish the localization was handled better.

>FFVIII
2/5: Underrated as it is as the battle system and missions are actually really fun, I just couldn't get into this one so much. Things like being chased by a spider robot were pretty neat though.

>FFIX
5/5: This came out as my favorite. Though it does indeed have it's flaws in a slow battle system, I vastly enjoyed the fusion of old and new here.

>>1871862
you sure about that?

>>1871464
The pre-rendered backgrounds are some of the most gorgeous images of any video game. It really highlights the living, breathing, natural world that Final Fantasy highlights.

FFVI just has some nice spritework. Nice, but not the greatest of all time.

>>1871846

Thanks for reminding me how rabid fangirl/fanboyism ruined what at the time was one of my favorite stories and the (imo) best group of characters in gaming.

>>1871876
I always thought FF6 looked like a muddy brown mess.

>>1871876
the sprite work was never accurate in those games (compared to the concept art)

>>1871872
[continued]

>FFX
2/5: Couldn't really get into this one either. I don't really like any characters outside of Auron, and the linearity (even compared to FF games before it) didn't really make things as fun for me. Some of the setting and general art is really pretty and I like the Aeon system a lot though, it's like they took the best parts of VIII's GF system and made it all better.

>FFT (PS1 with PSP's script)
5/5: The learning curve was unexpected for a FF game, but damn is this fun and I love my political intrigue and FFV job system. Why don't they make more FF games like this?

>FFTA
1/5: I really want to like this but I hate it. Gone is... really most things about Ivalice from the last game, and the plot but the role of the protag is interesting and I like the race system combined with jobs (why didn't the original have a Blue Mage?) Unfortunately it's way too fucking easy, I never died once.

>>1871876
ff6 has beautiful sprites, but I agree that the pre-rendered backgrounds in the ps1 ff games were the best looking in the series.

Those games could never have had the same amount of atmosphere if they were done with tilesets. Every location in ff7 feels totally unique, and you can't legitimately say that about the earlier titles in the series.

>>1871885
at least they fixed all that in the android version

(not as good as the upgrades 1.2.3.4 and 5 received, but still much better then the ugliness of the SNES and GBA versions)

>>1871880
all games have fans like that. just a rule of nature.

>>1871908

>>1871464
>7 is really bizarrely ugly
At the time, in 1997, 17 years ago, those graphics were mold-breaking. Pre-rendered backgrounds made me shit my pants with every new screen I entered. The Mako reactor, Midgar, the dark little homes in the slums and all the way through until the place where you fight JENOVA for the last time is fucking amazing.
8 tries to hard to look marvelous and grand, and doesn't fail very much, but I can see hints of the style which made 10 that unsmokable bag of diarrhoea. Tidus' face is so breakable I almost destroyed my TV everytime his babyface got a close-up in the game. Ph and 9 really is great, granted.

>>1871853
>I starting to think this artist lady might have some issues.

She just needs a good hard fucking, like all feminists.

>>1871924
>can't deny superior aesthetic

>>1871941
>a good hard fucking
that's literal. if you fuck them the way they are meant to be fucked, they realise how their very body is designed to fit our lower annex a.k.a. the cock. that usually helps to put them in their place.

>>1871908
I really, REALLY wish that the mobile editions got something more akin to the PSP graphics. Sure they had their faults as well, but they were better than what V and VI got.

Then again, Square's mobile handling is iffy at best in the first place.

>>1871950
>>1871941
>>>/v/

>>1871950
>that's literal

i didn't know it could be figurative

>>1871945

>>1871560
It's like the DS version, but without the moogle mail exclusive content and with the NES soundtrack.

>>1871920
sanic and FF pretty much got the worst of the worst though

>>1871941
>>1871950

They'll just scream "rape" and judo-chop ya before you could even get close.

>>1871908
>>1871945
>Amano's concept arts paired with chibi renditions

For what purpose.

>>1871908
This looks fucking awful.

>>1871213
I didn't play through many myself but:
FF4 (PSP version)- it was fine until MC changed to paladin. I still consider it was worth playing.
FFX, it's either loved or hated. On my first try I gave up on it after 5hours. On second try I beat it and replayed it twice. Story isn't strong point, all character end up pretty much same in the end but I like it. Auron is reason enough to play.
FF12, I fell in love with battle system in begining, hated it in the end. It's like single player mmo. You wish MC was 'just there', because every time he says something it's plain stupid or annoying. Balthier and Fran need to fuck. Leveling way too easy and fast. I didn't play Zodiac Version which actually allows to customize characters.
I'm about to play FF1 and 2 but can't decide whether to play GBA or PSP version. 4: After years and Interlude are also waiting. If only my PSP battery worked longer than hour.

>>1871972
lots of other fan bases are just as bad...

>>1871970
To clarify, you could get the Onion Knight class only if you wrote mail to at least three other players I think. Now you just unlock it by getting 4 messages from the Elder back in Ur, and by doing a little sidequest.

To quote someone;
''Anyway it seems like you need to get four letters from Topapa. They are titled, "How are you?", "Ur", "The Children of Ur", and finally "The Children are in Trouble!" I'm not sure what you have to do to make the moogle have the letters but I got the last letter after I beat the Salamander. After you get the final letter go back to Ur (first town) and speak to the elder. Then go north, back to the cave where the game started and go to the second level. The kids should be there being attacked by three weak bombs. After you win one of the kids should give you the onion knight.''

That and apparently you need to switch your leading guy around so you can get other messages.

>>1871985
FF1: PS1
FF2: PSP

FF1 got horribly unbalanced GBA and onward due to the change from "charges" to the general MP system. FF2 wasn't harmed at all, in fact it gets better every release so far.

>>1871969
>>1871985

well, you could still play the blurry or pixelated version if you wanted.

But I still think the Android port looks better (update fix a lot of the bugs and edges on the sprites)

it looks great on my nexus 7 (2d games look better on smaller screens)

>>1871998
I'm not telling you what to play, but Square's handling of mobile games is the worst on tablets in general. The screen's too big for their original intentions.

>>1871998
I remember you, fixed up that eye problem yet?

>>1871998
>inb4 this guy again
Yes, we know at the core it's basically the GBA version with one change to Cyan, graphics, and mobile things.

>>1871861
>>1871868
Best FF girl

>>1871960

>>1871903
>FFX
>GF system
FF8's GF's functioned as summons did in previous FF games, whereupon you cast them as a powerful spell. The differentiation to the previous summons, however, was that they gave the equipped character stat bonuses and even skills. The leveled co-dependently of the character they were equipped. This was thematically sound, since they were "Guardian Forces".
FFX has neither mechanism. Instead of simply casting them as a powerful spell as traditional, they became the party when summoned, with commands of their own. This was also thematically sound, since they were Yuna's protectors.

The only thing the two have in common is their in game 'protector' Identity. GF's, when being summoned, would prevent the summoner from being KO'd by replacing the summoners HP with it's own until the summon was complete. Aeons could be used to 'dodge' powerful attacks that would otherwise party wipe.

>>1872006
>thinks pixelated/blurry mess is better then re-drawn high res art.

I don't think its "my eyes" that need fixing. but ok.

I know SNES games look better on CRTs but the Android/IOS port is not a direct port of the SNES.

>>1872001

table is smaller then a TV...

>>1872026
>The only thing the two have in common is their in game 'protector' Identity.
And the method of teaching things. The only difference is that it enables everything to be taught and replaces an Exp system with requiring items.

There's also how you acquire them, but that was really the same with most titles anyway.

>>1872026
Aeons scale with Yuna's stats, though.

>>1871996
>FF1 got horribly unbalanced GBA and onward due to the change from "charges" to the general MP system
Unbalanced as in too easy?

>>1872032
>thinks pixelated/blurry mess is better then re-drawn high res art.

No, no. You're the faggot who couldn't read INN signs because they weren't filtered/didn't have scan lines. Took a new flavor of the year approach to beg for answers?

Also, your eyes do need some fixing if you don't notice that horrible clashing of extra filtered characters over the background.

>>1872032
>*tablet* is smaller then a TV...

anyway, yeah it would have been nice to have a real remake of FF6, but that would take.... effort and SE gave up after ff13

the thing that it needed most (i think) was more frames of animation (like chrono trigger)

>>1872046
Not only too easy, but it's almost in the vein of "why would you use physical characters at all" easy.

1st NES game had a certain charm to it
2nd was meh
3rd was fucking strange
4th was a classic
5th was alright, I guess
6th was gosh darn amazing for a SNES game

7th gets praised plenty because it was the 'baby's first JRPG'. It had a handful of neat concepts that were meshed into a slow paced, mediocre story. Before you get materia, the combat system is AWFUL. Afterwards, it's still kinda boring, but atleast they tried to make it interesting. Interesting setting albeit terrible execution. Also introduced the five minute long attack animation cutscenes which were fucking awful.
8th had some upgrades from 7 in terms of gameplay. But then it slowly descends into a pants-on-head ass retarded storyline and it just completely shits itself.
9th gets praised an unfair amount by people who haven't played it. It's still the best of the three, but it's got a laundry list of problems.
Tactics is somehow the best FF of the PSX era

10 has the absolute worst cast of characters besides one or two tokens. That said, it has a very good battle system, like it would've been genuinely amazing if they had a cast and story to keep up with the gameplay. But it doesn't. Goddamn it's annoying as fuck.
11 is a fucking MMO
12 doesn't feel like a Final Fantasy game at all. Not that it's a bad thing, as it does have a decent story and less annoying characters, bar a few. But my god, it has the worst and most tedious dungeon design in the series. The battle system, characters, setting, it's very much reminiscent of Vagrant Story.
13 shits the bed
13-2 shits it less
13-3 cleans the shit by making the bed into a toilet and flushing it

>>1872047
sorry bro, i'm not that faggot. (scan lines are ok but most LCDs don't look right with them)

>extra filtered characters over the background.

they fixed some of that with a recent update (not as filtered)

>>1872057
>9th gets praised an unfair amount by people who haven't played it. It's still the best of the three, but it's got a laundry list of problems.
>Tactics is somehow the best FF of the PSX era

Oh, you're one of THOSE. (I would also include an exasperated emoticon at the end of that, but I am not a faggot).

>>1872048
when I played ff7 in 97, this room would always make me wish I had a massive tv to game on. (only had a 13" tv)

anyone else ever feel that way?

>>1871846
>>1871962

I wonder just how gay it really gets...

>>1872068
>people still think ff9 was good

buying into the hype after all these years. it was a mediocre game at best.

Written at the same time as spirits within. Sakaguchi was off his nut at the time because his mom died.

his work suffered and he was fired for it.
the movie and FF9 where both lackluster.

>>1872059
>>1872048

should have made it look more like this.

>>1871795
Just about every game in the series has had some type of remake. I’m betting we’ll see an HD remake of Final Fantasy XII and port/collection of the XIII trilogy to Ps4 before we ever see a proper remake of VII

>>1871731
I actually didn't even know about Aura until the last dungeon, so I was kicking myself over that. But yeah, Aura + Hero = Unstoppable machine.

But if you don't have those then it's GFs. GFs all the fucking time.

>>1872174
Apparently Square doesn't even have the assets for VII anymore, it would also explain all the prequels.

>>1872197
It also explains why the only port is that PC port with updated drivers or whatever.

>>1872190
but Aura is so rare you would only be able to use it fore boss fights.

unless you have another source?

>>1872101
Whatever makes you happy. Incidentally I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That makes it a fact.
Also using Spirits Within to add thickening agent to your liquid-never-to-be-jelly argument is sad.

>>1872190
>But if you don't have those then it's GFs. GFs all the fucking time.

Nope.

>unless you have another source?

You can craft magic.

>>1872203
That one is just Square-Enix being Square-Enix. Same thing happened with III and VIII.

>>1872197
>>1872203

They don't really need the assets, not for a real remake. I mean they could have just done it for PSP (would have cost way less) crisis core looked fine and they could have just released a console/pc port of that later.
Instead of wasting all that time and resources on that Vincent game and FF Type 0 which no one played we could have had a pretty decent PSP based remake of FF7 with the CC engine.

SE would have made the fans happy and they would be rolling in cash. It’s like they have no common sense.

>>1872101
>buying into the hype after all these years. it was a mediocre game at best.

I really liked IX, but Christ did it have a lot of problems. It was linear as fuck, Freya was completely meaningless and her plot didn't finish(it just kinda ended after disc two, and then we get a half-assed "They live happily ever after!" cutscene at the end), the load times were insane, it tried too hard to capitalize off of the older entries in the series, and at times it felt like the game was giving the references more attention then its own world and plot, the twists at the end were retarded Necron was bullshit, he came up out of nowhere and started spouting Star Wars references. Fuck that, Kuja should have gotten a second form or something, and speaking of villains the game couldn't make up its damn mind. First it was Brahne, then Kuja(which makes sense since most of the other FFs did this), then Garland, then Kuja again and finally Necron. Just stick with maybe one or two villains and have the player get attached to them, more villains =/= better story. And to top it all off the plot was full of holes. Not big ones, but small ones that you could notice if you were paying attention, and fuck did they pile up.

It's weird because when it wanted to be, it did things so much better than any other entry in the franchise, but it just dropped the ball so often it was hard to really get invested.

>>1872207
>Nope.

Then please elaborate. Not calling you out or anything, I just want to know how to make the game more manageable the next time I play.

>>1872235
Up stats with junction/abilities, find a balanced command set between the party, and learn some other cool abilities so you can't be fucked up with. By disc 2 the GF command becomes redundant since it can only hit 9999, save for Eden.

>>1872228
>Freya was completely meaningless and her plot didn't finish.

I still enjoyed her "plot".she and vivi are the only party members I like.

but I know what you mean about the second-half of the game being bullishit

>>1872228
>It was linear as fuck
To be perfectly fair, even though it is extremely linear it did have a lot of exploration. I thought IX had a waste of a map until I actually did all that chocobo sidequesting.

Freya was such a good character though. It sucks that after Disc 2 there was barely anything with her whatsoever. One of the more interesting characters of the series and she's just... there.

>>1872197
>assets
Even fans can mod ff7 and mess with the 3D models. I'm sure their team could figure out a way.
What good would a bunch of high res pre rendered backgrounds from 97 do to them? It's literally useless. Not even the original music and sound effects are salvageable.

>>1872246
>mouse-dragon waifu

what heck is she even?

>>1872253
I think by "assets" he meant the actual Silicon Graphics layout models.

>>1872253

Square always makes more assets then they ever use (they are very wasteful when it comes to art assets)

>>1872262
would that even be usable on today's systems?

>>1872257
Quina tops that though.

We at least figure out the lore of Zidane's race. We know that Freya is a mouse. We know Vivi is an automaton of some sort. The only thing we know about Quina is that his race is all about being a Blue Mage and a cook. We barely even know what s/he is.

>>1872267
>would that even be usable on today's systems?

Why not? You'd just need to convert them to whatever your engine works with, or make even bigger pre-rendered shots to deal with today's resolutions, kind of how they're doing with Grim Fandango.

>>1872246
>mouse-dragon-bunny waifu

>>1872268
forgot one.

yeah, most of the creatures in ff9 feel kind of shallow and not very flushed out

(like that bug king guy)

>>1872252
Yeah, the chocobo sidequests were pretty fun, but I didn't like being carted around like that, especially in the beginning when the world seemed so interesting Because it has all these call-backs, I was hoping it would be like the SNES and NES FFs and give you the freedom to explore the map early on, but add new stuff later. But they didn't, and that was disappointing. The reason I am the most upset however is because people who have played the other FFs and like XIII can point to IX and say "See, XIII isn;t the only one that opens up at the end!" And I fucking hate that.

>>1872270
and after all that extra effort it still looks dated
that's not what people expect from a remake

>>1872270
I thinking about the toy pixar interview saying that all assets from toy story 1+@ was unusable because of incompatibility's

>>1872268
Fran, Freya, and Red13 (Nanaki)

all seem to share that same problem (underdeveloped cart-girl anime trope)

>>1872285
Incompatibilities can be dealt with if you have documentation and good programming skills. It's always digital data at the end of the day, not some black magic.

>>1872268
>Freya is a mouse

does't look like any mouse I've ever seen. looks more horse or dragon.

>>1872318
she also looks way more like a red-mage (in game) then any dragoon.

>>1871998
I think the Android port looks so bad it is the only reason for me to kill myself.

>>1872326
Brahne and Kuja call the Burmecians rats throughout the game, so I guess that confirms it.
>>1872318
Yeah, I originally thought she was going to be a Red Mage, I was surprised when she turned out to be a dragoon

>>1872347
I'm sorry dude, I didn't mean it.

>>1872358
I think they did have a red-mage in some town but he was like a giant “bird person”.

>>1872174
>>1872197
>>1872218

hell I don't think most would have noticed if XIII had been a PSP game, the story was so paper-thin and full of stupid jargon (L'Cie)

it really didn't need a full console release or budget to tell that story.

anyone have a link to any HQ scans of the FF13 ps2 prototype images? (seems like SE had them taken down)

>>1871541
If this were /v/ I'd call you a casual. But since we're on /vr/ and this is a gentleman's board, I'll instead say that I respect your opinion, but wholeheartedly disagree with most of your rankings.

>>1872358
I think FF9 would have benefited greatly from from a job system similar to FF3/5

could you image how cute vivi would have looked dressed like a knight or white-mage?

I also think the FF3 remake would looked way better with FF9 style graphics (pre-rendered backgrounds and high poly models)

I'm always disappointed when I hear someone say they gave up on FF6 in the second half because they got lost or because it's not linear anymore.

I mean...the game gives you so many clues to tell you what you should do. And if you're really suffering, a walkthrough clears that up in just a couple minutes.

>>1872435
I played through it, but I felt like it was kinda boring (compared to the pace of 4 or 7)

>>1872435
>>1872443

I have a new (sealed) copy of the SNES Cart. should I sell it? (how much is it worth?)

>>1872462
I have both FF2, FF3 and Crono trigger (CT is open but the final fantasy's are brand new)

>>1872081
what

>>1872435
It's impossible to get lost in a FF video game. They must be retarded and/or have ADHD.

>>1871836

>>1872298
Fran and Red13 was ok, imo, i had them in my party more often. But Freya was very uninteresting.

Well... a playboybunny and a wolf/tiger is naturally likeable than a rat woman .... who jumps in your neck as a dragoon

For Final Fantasy IV, would you guya recommend the SNES version or the GBA port?
I ask because it's hard to decide between experiencing the original version and playing the one that re-added things that had been omitted in the first NA localization.

>>1872369
I find it funny that nothing in IX really talked about the abundance of anthromorphic species, the differences or whatever. Especially considering one of Zidane's plot points.

I mean the game had more of it than BoF4. Even V talked about the werewolves.

>>1873494
Music quality will probably be a bit less on the GBA as with most ports.

Otherwise I'm not sure why you wouldn't give it a try.

>>1873494
GBA + audio patches is the best version. Don't let any nostalgiafag tell you otherwise.

>>1873590
Wait, I misread and thought you were saying 5.

DS is technically the best version. It's the most fine-tuned, has actual difficulty and the best

>>1871213
IX is the best FF ever made. anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong.

>>1873494
Don't even touch the SNES version.
DS > PSP > GBA

>>1872253
>Not even the original music and sound effects are salvageable.
The music (as with most PS1 games) is basically Amiga style modules. Just replace the samples with better ones (including new samples for various pitch/volume ranges) and it will sound great. You could record it with some multigigabyte sample set rather than rendering it realtime on the console.

>>1873494
PSP is GBA with more content and different graphics. If you want The After Years that would be the best version.

If you want the original get PS1. It's the closest we're going to get.

>>1871795
This kind of post makes people hate FFVII
Even when its an obvious trollpost like this, because you know there are people like this that really think this way

9 is my personal favorite. I've played like half a dozen times in the past 10 years.

Never played 6, 7, or 12 though. And I only got halfway through 8 but some faggot stole my memory card and I never got around to going back and restarting it when I was younger. Probably going to finally play it again soon, after I finish 7. Although I'm working through 7 now and it's just kind of boring me. Though it's gotten a little more interesting now that I'm out of Midgar.

Is 8 worth playing? Only one I haven't played yet. It always turned me off because people always say if you level up too much you'll get fucked over later on due to the scaling, and that its best to just turn enemies into cards instead of actually killing enemies normally. Just seems like an annoying hassle.

>>1871745

I've only ever played it on my playstayion and ps2, on my crtv.

Doesn't look that great

>>1871836
that's some straight liefeld tier art

>>1871795
The FF series never really appealed to me. I've played through FF7 at my friend's recommendation but found the game play to be bland and the story boring. What I disliked most was the character design. This sentiment applies to every FF title. I like Square's other game though.

>>1874003
What other game?

>>1874010
Oops, I left out the 's' in games. I mean games like the Saga series, Mana series, Einhander, IS, Super Mario RPG, etc.

>>1871213
>>Final Fantasy (NES)
>Awesome game. I'm a sucker for classic RPGs like this and Dragon Warrior.
Play NES FF2. It's not as good as first one but still really fun.

>>1871213

FFI : 4/5 a classic, NES version is the only version.
FFII: The darkest entry of the series, everyone fucking die, had ton of potential and really fun to break. 3/5
FIII: 5/5 Hands down the best rpg of the system
FFIV : 3/5 Classical
FFV : 5/5 Best gameplay of the series
FFVI : Best rpg ever made
FFVII : 2/5 overrated and uglier than FF1 on the NES
FFVIII : 3/5 meh who cares about 3D anyways

>>1875625

hahahahaha
you must be joking right?
please mind that some people in here
are stupid enough to take this shit that you write as an actual opinion.

>>1871213
>Final Fantasy (NES)- Not bad. But it's light years behind other titles.
>Final Fantasy VI (III on the SNES)- Awesome title. Deep and compeling storyline.
>Final Fantasy VII - Not much to say, the best final fantasy and probably the best game ever.
>Final Fantasy VIII -Great title, up there with 7 and 6.

Oh the retarded opinion "HURR DURR FF7 HAS BAD GRAPHICS ALWAYS HAD BAD GRAPHICS" has to stop at some time. Seriously games have aged the same, and had much less shit about it. And i was there when it FF7 first came out and it looked godlike.

>>1871260
>his opinion is different from mine, therefore he is wrong.

>>1875723

i like how people shit their pants over the "video games age well/poorly" argument unless it happens to suit whatever their favorite game is as an excuse

>>1875580
>NES FF2
>Fun
Maximum kek

>>1875723
I finished 7 back in October, and while the graphics are dated, they do still have a lot of charm to them, I enjoyed looking at the Lego block models.

>>1872204
You don't even need aura, just mash the character change button until the limit break triggers.

>>1871717
Topkek.

>>1871714
>spamming GFs to win

that's basically proof that you never beat the game.

>>1876075
No, I beat it, but I didn't use summons at all in the last fight. I saved up all my Heroes and Auras and just spammed them on Ultimecia. But up until then I just used GFs because it was my first time playing and I didn't know these tricks. If I go back I will never fucking use them now that I know the smart way to play.

>>1876065
I'm playing 7 right now actually, and I also like the goofy blockiness of the character models. I think I just have a soft spot for all those early 3D games though.

Rest of the game has been pretty average so far, though I'm still early into it.

>>1878203
The character models do have a charm to them you can't deny, I remember being blown away by them the first time I played.

>>1871749
I haven't played the remake, but looking at the models, it looks like a higher polycount, but stuff looks soulless in a way.

>>1871541
>FFV boring gameplay

I'm sorry but holy shit how can somebody say this. It's like the only 2D Final Fantasy game that focuses mostly on gameplay.