/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1722579
Anime in the 70s-90s looked good.

Anime today looks like bug-eyed alien samefaced schoolgirl garbage.

It's as simple as that.

Partly what >>1722624 said and partly because they've drifted away from universal themes. If you look at Mario & Zelda, for example, they're based on the "hero saves the beautiful woman from an evil monster" story that's present in most cultures. When games put in elements that are specific to Japanese culture and society then it alienates other cultures, just as putting in elements that are specific to American culture and society alienates cultures that America hasn't already assimilated.

Other M, for example, has a heroine who is terrified of enemies and needs strong male guidance to function. That's acceptable to Japanese society but not to Western society. In Western culture the hero or heroine is always strong. This can't just be blamed at sexism either: Joan of Arc lived in a time of institutionalized sexism and was made into a popular hero in a later time that was still institutionally sexist. It's not a Western thing.

Similarly, hyper-masculine space marine characters that appeal to American culture alienate Japanese culture. Masculinity in Japanese culture is based on honor, and the hyper-masculinity of space marine characters isn't. A chivalrous medieval knight would translate to Japanese culture, but space marines don't.

So older Japanese games like Mario & Zelda worked because they didn't alienate anyone.

>>1722640

Many older games were played by people who were either already open-minded to Anime, or were fans of it.

The market has been flushed with normalfags, and rampant anti-anime types, but it doesn't help that anime has really taken to pandering to moe lovers.

>>1722645
That point is demonstrably false to anyone with a functioning memory. Everyone loved the big games like Mario & Zelda at the time. No-one knew about anime then except hardcore nerds, and those people weren't playing NES anyway, they were playing C64 and other computers and sneering at NES players for being "normalfags". You're just one of those people who are still so bitter about the Wii being so popular that you need to go and rewrite history so video games were always a super secret club.

>>1722650

What the fuck did I just read? Where did I mention Wii? Are you fucking high?

God damn.

>>1722652
It's deduction. No-one rewrites history unless they're angry with the present, and what else would make you angry about the present? I've seen it countless times before. Oh, gaming always used to a be super secret club for nerds like me, I'm sick of all these people daring to have fun with games now on the Wii, don't they know gaming was never popular, it's not like there was a feature film released solely about kids playing Nintendo or anything.

>>1722658

Holy shit dude. What did -I- do to piss you off, and how did you infer any of this from my post?

I don't know who pissed in your cheerios, but it wasn't me. Don't ascribe your frustrations with other people to me. I could further clarify what I meant if you just simply asked. Instead you flew off the handle at me for no reason at all.

What's your fucking problem, man?

Even on 4chan you see people complaining about anime images now.

>>1722624
>Tatake!! Iczer-1

A great example of moeshit being older than people like to assume.

>>1722650
>>1722658

The Wii didn't make gaming mainstream. The PlayStation (and by extension 2) did.

>>1722650
go away jon malstrom

>>1722624

spoken like a person that does not watch modern anime

the MOE SAMEFACE thing is the animation version of "All modern hip hop is about violence and drugs"

>>1722579
Not related, but what episode is that picture from? I recently started watching Game Center CX and I'd like to see that episode, but I don't think I will watch all of the episodes, there are way too many.

>>1723224
I would suggest you to watch all of them, since they are really good. But, to answer the question. This scene is from episode 55 (Quest of Ki Part 2). Also the reason, why I started to watch Game Center CX at all.

>>1723231
Well, maybe I'll get around to watching them all eventually, but right now I'm not planning to, I'm just looking through the 15 first seasons I have downloaded and picking out episodes with games I'm interested in. Thanks for the answer anon!

>Capcom
>F1 game

YES

>>1723201

Character designs in modern anime are okay, but the shading and coloring is atrocious. Everything is way too bright and clean looking, am I expected to wear sunglasses while watching this stuff? It's like the artists have no actual art experience beyond goofing around in photoshop.

>>1723383
Outdoors on a clear sunny day actually looks like that. I can't blame you for not knowing, though.

>>1722624
80s style is shit.

>>1723404
If this was /v/ I'd be the 20th person quoting this, right after someone posted a cropped porn face.

>>1723419
Good thing this isn't /v/, huh?

This is your usual anime style game protagonist from the 90's

>>1723425
And this is what the average anime style game looks like now

What the fuck happened?

>>1723424
I just wish this board had /v/'s speed, but none of the obnoxious #IRONIC_HASHTAG culture.

>>1723425
>protagonist from the 90's
>(C) 1989 Sin Nihon Laser Soft

YOU CAN'T FOOL ME, KEKMEISTER!

>>1723437
Ok this is from 92

>>1723431
>What the fuck happened?

Japan, the most traditional country in the world managed to grow up and move on and change more than kids from the 90s, that's what happened.

>>1723451
So going from a Miyazaki movie-like art style to MOE UGUUUUUU~~ is an improvement?

>>1723457
It is for my dick.

The problem is abstraction.

Before hardware was powerful enough to model "realistic" environments and graphics, video game graphics had to be abstracted, and anime, being a largely abstracted medium, went hand in hand with it. Whether it was out of game character designs or an in game sprite, neither looked like a real person.

However, when the "point" of a game is to create/model something realistic, abstraction becomes something unwanted. A visually abstracted 2D art style fits a visually abstracted 2D game, but it's out of place for a realistic 3D one.

>>1723461
That's just sad.

>>1723469
Why?

>>1723472
I assume you're a grown man. You should behave like one.

>>1723486

>You should behave like one.

Yeah, by playing video games, right :^)

>>1723491
My dad still plays Atari. What's the issue here?

>>1723486
>>1723491

>>1723404

Here's a photo I took while on a biking trip just outside of town on a clear sunny day. Why is it not as bright as the screencap I posted?

>>1723507
Because a camera's shutter speed, aperture, and ISO strongly affect the resulting image, and most photographs require white balancing to produce undistorted colors.

>>1722624
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHQxuCHqhfY

>>1723201
So it's true then

I think it has more to do with the change of times. People who watched anime then were kids, and such were really interested in stuff like Dragon Ball or Hokuto no Ken. As these people grew up, they stopped being relevant, and they wanted something they could relate to. These people are either parents, or would be parents, so anime about literally 'cute girls doing cute things' became the norm to fill the hole in their hearts. This then broadened into various subgenres such as 'cute girls fighting historical wars' or 'a day in the life of cute girls doing cute things'. This is evidenced by the fact that "moeshit" did in fact exist then, but it was such a tiny niche. Now, the roles have been reversed; there's dozens of Nichijou type shows, with only the likes of Space Dandy being the remnants of 'traditional anime'.

It's basically the same thing that happened in the western world with the post-modernist bronies.

>>1723457
>valis
>myiazaki style
Nah, in the pc version the villain blatantly threatened to rape her in cutscenes and you could dress her up in swimsuits and sailor uniforms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axP79COEmmM

>>1723559
Wrong vid, this was the one I played, there's a translation patch out there and this game is up the ass with fanservice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMGLaU4UbyU

>>1723531

Well okay, I didn't think my earlier post thoroughly enough. But my problem was more the cleanness than the brightness anyway. The latter just makes the former problem stand out so much worse.

>>1722579

Because anime panders to otakus because they are the only people buying it.

>>1723549

Nah, it's just idiots perpetuating idiocy based on actually seeing a remarkably small sample of a much larger thing.

Not to mention that pic is ridiculous as the artstyle fits what both are out to achieve. It's like comparing Preacher to Sam and Max: Freelance Police.

>>1723568
Okay then keep up with that pretentious attitude
I've been a lifelong anime fan but after KyoAni made it big with the pandering comedy genre anime has gone to shit
99% of it is moeshit for pedophiles now

>>1722579
Popular culture becomes too self-referential.
The first media had to draw inspiration from life.
Now it can just copy and feed upon itself incestuously.

>>1723574
>kyoani
>pandering
I don't even.

>>1723561
Could you elaborate on "cleanness"? I'm not quite sure what you mean by it and I can think of a handful of different possible meanings.

>>1723583
If you don't think Lucky Star is pandering then you're so far gone you need to kill yourself. Shitty anime has destroyed your brain.

>>1723586
Ok, fair enough, one example from 2006.

>>1723586
Good news, now that they went full fujoshi pandering, the moeshit days are finally over!
Anime is now all about teh ghey.
I, for one, welcome our full homosexual overlords.

>>1723591
Which started the entire downfall of the industry. I take it you weren't on 4chan in 2005. We used to be able to talk about any series no matter how old on /a/, then the moewave hit and it turned into a bunch of pathetic pedophiles in denial in a constant circlejerk sharing pictures of le smug anime loli.jpg to shitpost on other boards
KyoAni even turned to shit after with bullshit like K-On and whatever the fuck else they're doing now

>>1723574

I honestly think the guy going "ALL MODERN (whatever) IS TERRIBLE, I ONLY LIKE CLASSICS" is way more pretentious than just enjoying stuff, but that's just me maybe?

Not every modern anime is lucky star or hidemari sketch.

>>1723383
You're correct, but not for that scene really. It's good aside from the actual character.

Anime form the 80s and 90s era (and I'm not talking just the high budget OVAs) were made in a time where they could throw more money at the projects. Plus anime done on cels have film grain to give more variation to the flat colors. Today it's almost like they use the bucket tool or something. It's barely noticeable, but registers to the brain on lower quality video, but looking at BDs for cel anime, you'd have to be a fool not to notice it. That's the whole flatness issue today with modern anime.
We get some nice looking stuff even nowadays, but the bar overall is certainly lowered despite the earlier decades having some shitty looking shows too. Look at Hyouka for instance for a modern show. That show looks great. Compare it to some of the in-betweens from Tekkaman Blade's first dozen or so episodes. Blade could look amazing in some episodes, but look like absolute shit on the level of Gundam 0079 QUALITY. That's a fair comparison for the most part too because both were TV anime.

>>1723601
Duuude, 4chan was actually started because the SA mods banned loli from ADTRW.
M00t was always into that bullshit.

>>1723602
That's why I said 99%
Most of it is shit, one of my favorite series is Kaiji though which is recent.

"Anime" style really changed the last 20 years, especially in video games. Almost the whole 16 bit RPGs generation had "anime" style, but it's not the ugu~ stuff we get these days.

>>1723612
Basically m00t started 4chan because he wanted to post rozen maiden loli in 2004.

>>1723612
Yeah no shit
Doesn't mean that /a/ wasn't better in 2005 before it turned into strictly circlejerking for FOTM moeshit

Keep reading old ED articles though, maybe one day you'll fool someone into not thinking you're a newfag

>>1723612
>>1723617
Actually newfags /l/ was deleted in 2004 before the site was even a year old.

>>1723602
I hope you're not implying that Hidamari Sketch is bad.
It's basically "cute girls doing cute things" done right.

>>1723632
Which was precisely my point, there's nothing pandering about these shows.
That faggot just mentioned K-ON from 2009, that show was mainstream as fuark.

>>1723621
The point was that m00t wanted to fantasize about smelling suiseiseki's socks or some shit like that but the SA goons wouldn't let him because it was "creepy".
That's what I heard anyway, back then I was into ytmnd and nintendo forums.

>>1723642
>leetspeak
>implying anyone cares what some jewish underage pedo sperglord did back in 2003 other than other underage spergs

>>1723648
Most of the original userbase came from banned SA users.
The point is, if you can't appreciate higher forms of entertainment such as cute girls doing cute things you shouldn't be watching anime.

>>1723648
>leetspeak
Oh fucking hell, m00t is an old /b/ filter.

>>1723656
Go back to YTMND or your Nintendo forums, faggot.

>>1723201
haha are you going to tell me attack on titan is good now?

>>1723656
>The point is, if you can't appreciate higher forms of entertainment such as cute girls doing cute things you shouldn't be watching anime.
Literally the equivalent of an anime normalfag
Funny you people like to rail against them so much because that's what you are, trend conforming retards unable to think for yourselves
Enjoy your rehashed pedo shit

In the age of 16-bit it was much harder to faithfully create anime style graphics, which resulted in Americans feeling less alienated. As technology improved and it became easier to create games that could look like an anime, non anime watchers became more alienated.

I still sorta dig the dumb anime cutscenes in Japanese video games. They're hilarious.
However from the 5th to 6th generation the whole thing became much more prominent, and therefore much less tolerable for people who don't like it. To be honest, I think a lot of people who dislike it now have ALWAYS disliked it, and just can't avoid it anymore -- just as the anime influence has always existed. Before the days of the Massively Long Animated Cutscene, the aesthetic wasn't so obvious. But suddenly JRPGs were interspersed with melodramatic, 20-minute cinematics. As I recall from the 6th gen this was tolerated fine at the time, but the 7th generation brought with it a movement that re-emphasized gameplay, and thus that sort of thing quickly fell out of favor. The golden era for the Japanese video game in mainstream gaming culture is long gone.
Anime also has a bit of a stigma now that it didn't used to. It used to be kind of exotic; not only is it not now, it also doesn't suit the style that defines the current Western industry, the most prominent aspects of which are focused on realism and first person shooters. It's sort of cheesy and perhaps misunderstood thanks to modern anime culture.

>>1723584

I'm sorry man, but if my last pic wasn't a good enough example of what I mean then I'm not really sure how to explain it. I'll try though. ;_;

Everything feels so devoid of detail that I can't really recognize the environments as part of a functioning world anymore. Everything feels more artificial than they did before because there's no richness in the colors, like everything is made of sunfaded plastic or something. Here's a screencap I cherrypicked of ideal shading and coloring to me. And yes, I know anime isn't trying going for realism most of the time.

>>1723683
Also, I forgot to mention. So, so many video games/developers from the 32-bit era and before were Japanese (though not all). It was a little hard to avoid it no matter what. That changed as time passed and Western developers came into their own.

>>1723667
>>1723673
You people are delusional, I'm telling you this site was always the home of pedos, desu spam, retarded cat pictures and ironic shitposting but you insist /a/ actually had good taste. Oh well.

>>1723414
Agreed so much

>>1723161

That's because there's a whole new crop of shitbirds coming to this site because it's 'omg anon e moose so kewl!1 i can say faggot! FAGGOT!!!!111 xDDD and not get banned! FAAAAAAAGGOOOOOOOT XDDDDDD'

Or something. I dunno. /v/ is full of them, and that board sucks to high heaven now because of it. And a number of other things.

>>1723457
As if 99% of Miyazaki movies weren't about cute girls with a friend that flies and weird shit happening around

>>1723431

The most profitable demographic for anime, and anime-related products have shifted over the years to people who are into that.

That's why that thing you posted exists.

But it's okay, because Nepnep a cute.

>>1722624
you're new to this. get the fuck out.

>>1723414
>>1723716
underaged

>>1723837
I'm 27 and only started watching anime in 1998. I never developed a taste for 80's style. It has always looked like shit to me.
Sorry.

>>1723694
Ah, that makes perfect sense. That's a completely valid complaint.

>>1723703
All of that occurred in /b/. Newfag/leejun fag detected.
>>1723717
>getting this mad because some people don't jerk off to your chinese pedophile cartoons
4chan is a website for 18+, come back after you have some hair on your nuts.

>>1723726
He was talking about the animation you retard. And the difference is that one style is for pedo pandering and the other isn't.

>>1723923
>the difference is that one style is for pedo pandering
Well, since the 80's gave use Cream Lemon, I guess we know which style you're talking about.

>>1723632

Hidamari Sketch is the only anime I've ever seen which literally put me to sleep, so yeah, I guess I do think it's pretty bad.

I don't hold it against people for liking it though

>>1723919

Seems like you're the one that's mad, Anon.

>>1723161
People complain about animeposters in places that have nothing to do with anime like /sp/ because its annoying as fuck trying to discuss a game with a legion of spammers posting anime pictures and "who's /a/ here"

Don't use this argument on me

The quality of art, subject matter and motifs have taken a nosedive in the last 10 or so years. It's not that the generic fantasy trend of the 90s was some high-minded super high quality material or anything, but it was better, much better, than the preponderance of paint-bucket pedoshit we see today.

On the decline of art quality and style, look at the difference between the art of Aria of Sorrow versus Dawn of Sorrow. DoS was a good game, comparable to its predecessor in quality, but for some reason the art took a serious turn for the worse.

>>1724002
but this is also a problem an /v/ too

it is one thing to discuss a game that has an anime art style and to say it looks good or not

and an entirely different one to crate a veiled /a/ thread on /v/ with the sole purpose of discussing anime or anime "waifus" and then insult those who complain because they must only watch mainstream anime (and at this point they start to sound like those faggots at /mu/)

Why is this thread on /vr/?

>>1723950
>someone else remembers Cream Lemon
Mah nigga.

Not just that either, but the lolicon boom was an 80s thing for the most part, and that is historically attributed to Lemon People magazine. It's always been prevalent.

>>1724002
>>1724008

You both make a point. However; there's also the very vocal crowd who lose their shit at anything Japanese, or Anime-related. Even if it's just a video game. Even if it's on topic. If anything, I'd suspect that alot of the so-called '/a/ shitposters' are probably just trolls who know that posing as people from /a/ and posting anime images is an easy way to get a rise out of people.

>>1724012
The OP got tired of having it deleted from every other board he posted it on.

>>1723950
>pedos in charge of reading comprehension
He was talking about Miyazaki's style, not 80's you fucking mongoloid.

>>1724017
>I'd suspect that alot of the so-called '/a/ shitposters' are probably just trolls who know that posing as people from /a/ and posting anime images is an easy way to get a rise out of people.
well they're trolls from /a/ then because they start talking about their shows and characters and stuff in the middle of a Belgium x Russia gamethread. they obviously have some knowlege about anime and you cant really say people getting mad about them are wrong.

>>1723964
Check out Akagi, Kaiji, Monster, Perfect Blue or really anything by Satoshi Kon. There are some good anime out there, it's a shame that when most people these days think of it shit like K-On or Lucky Star comes to mind.

>>1724041

Okay. Consider this possibility:

People. Who are trolls. Trolls pretending to be trolls. Trolls who are pretending to be trolls from another board.

Are you still with me? Do I need to go over it again?

Here: Just in case.

Troll: I want to piss people off!
Troll2: Me too! But what can we do?
Troll: I know! Let's pretend we're from /a/! Anime pisses people off!
Troll2: You are genius!


See what I'm getting at here?

Has this possibility ever occurred to you? I've seen threads on /v/ where there was no anime discussion, just 'U MAD ;D' posts with cute anime girls.

Also: If you're not an anime fan yourself, how do you know they weren't just making up conversation to throw you off?

I'm -not- saying that /a/ does not have cross-board trolls. But /a/ really doesn't cross-post more than any other board already does.

>>1724130
>hurr durr /a/ doesn't try to troll the other boards
IRC detected

>>1724130

>>1724145

You stupid, illiterate shitposter.

>I'm -not- saying that /a/ does not have cross-board trolls

CAN YOU NOT FUCKING READ?

>>1724150

This asshole, too. Another reading comprehension failure.

>/vr/ - Anime

>>1722624
>>1723551

This. Anime used to be good and made with variety and artistry, now look at the fucking shit they put out, every single fucking show is just another k-on and lucky star clone, outside of some exceptions like attack on titan

Now the style has been ruining their videogames for years now too. It's time to put a stop to it.

>>1724224
>Anime used to be good and made with variety and artistry, now look at the fucking shit they put out, every single fucking show is just another k-on and lucky star clone, outside of some exceptions like attack on titan
call the pleb police this is an emergency

That's why you play western games instead.

>>1724224

I quit watching anime years ago because of kyoani shit. 99% of shows made nowadays are just bugeyed cutesy pedoshit, not like the real classics. Honestly, I don't know how anyone can manage to still watch the stuff these days, it's the worst medium.

>>1724224

>liking Attack on Titan

normalfag as fuck

>His magnum opus, the legendary Resident Evil 4

Pretty sure Mikami begs to differ on that.

>>1724224
Nice list. I was looking for something like this.

I find that americans usually know SHIT about pre 90s anime. I'm a japanese brazilian and have watched it for my whole life.
It's sad to see those "classic animes" list with EVERYTHING there being from the 2000s.
(seriously, google classic anime list)

My favorites growing up were ranma and zillion.

Anyway... anime is not only what you know, is what it is. The media is still have a variety of styles.

>>1723919
Should you really be accusing people of being under 18 when you act a lot like you're underage yourself?

>>1723673 >I know you are, but what am I?

>>1724224
>That Cat's Eye girl

Oh damn, I have GOT to pick this one up!! Thanks for the style/recommendation chart~

This thread is making me wish for a retro anime board more than ever even though I know full well it would become pretty dead pretty quick.

>>1724335
>I find that americans usually know SHIT about pre 90s anime.

Dude, fuck you, I know lots of classic retro anime - Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, the list goes on. Anime was way better in the old days, Tom from Toonami taught me everything I know!

>>1724240
What would you consider some classics?

>>1722579
>Anime style didn’t use to be a problem in previous generations

It must have been enough of a problem when they turned Assault Suits Valken into Cybernator.

>>1724459
I think that would actually work good considering /a/ has been a complete shithole for the past 7 years

>>1724465
>Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, the list goes on.
You retarded fuck. You just proved MY POINT.
outlaw star and cowboy bebop are from the late 90s. I've been watching it since early 80s.
70s and 80s anime is absolutely UNKOWN for americans. What you said was hilariously stupid, thank you for proving my point.
Japan was already there before americans "discovered it", believe me.

>>1724651
>You retarded fuck.

kek someone's sarcasm detector is broke

>>1723201
"All modern hip-hop is about violence and drugs" is false.
"All modern hip-hop which is commercially successful is about violence and drugs" would be true if this was the 90s.
Now, "all modern hip-hop which is commercially successful is about excessive consumerism" is true.

Similarly, "all modern anime is bug-eyed alien samefaced schoolgirl garbage" is false.
"All modern anime which is commercially successful is bug-eyed alien samefaced schoolgirl garbage" is true.

>>1723383
I think because most of the stuff done today and even the early 00's was done digitally that may something to do with the shading and color differences from stuff done from the 90s. I think because there's a lack of film grain that may contribute to a sterile type of look.

>>1724647
>a complete shithole for the past 7 years

Th-thanks JC Staff. S-send my regards to KyoAni and Shaft too...

>>1724709
It's pretty much that. What's worse is, digital can do some similar effects if they really tried, but the poor bastards don't get paid enough for that shit.

Don't get me wrong in my praise here, but Attack on Titan's anime does a little bit of texture variation with the titans, but even then they slip up with the Titans every once in a while and they appear flat. All the characters suffer from the sterile flatness.

Good thing about traditional animation is you didn't need the extra effort for noise in colors, it is just inherent to the medium.

>>1724678
Yeah, it's really sad to see them circlejerk and shitpost on other boards too.
"Hurr if you don't watch my mass produced chinese pedophile cartoons you're a normalfag boogeyman!!!"

>I'M NOT NORMAL BECAUSE I CONSUME CORPORATE ANIMATION FROM JAPAN
>faggots believe this
>They think they're pretty unique snowflakes for eating the lowest denominator of shit japan puts out
>They will never know who's Kenzaburo Oe
>They will never know who's Natsume Soseki
>They will keep watching junk and thinking they're special because they can cook instant noodles

>>1724459
>>1724651

guess im the only one here from /m then?

>>1724678
I'm pretty sure Yamato 2199 was pretty successful.

>>1723431
>Neptunia
>average japanese game
They're niche as fuck and only profit due to Compile Heart reusing the same set of assets in all their games, even in different series.

>>1724719

Toradora is 6 years old. Get new material.

>people literally believe that Kyoani ruined anime and everything is moeshit now

I won't deny that there isn't a lot of shit, but if you look there's still other things out there. I haven't watched any part of it, but Mushishi got a second season and I'm pretty sure neither that or Ping Pong is moe.

Yes, it's incorrect to say moeshit is most anime or that it didn't exist before, but not identifying it as the problem, since it's those kind of anime developers take as reference now. Even if they were a niche, as long as those are the main sorce of inspiration they still are the problem.
And indeed they are, because they bring in videogames the same problem they have in anime:

1) Digital art that looks fake, flat and lifeless, lacks grittyness. It mirrors nicely the problem western cartoons have with flash now.

2) Characters so anatomically out there they aren't neither attractive nor cute if not to a niche of fetishists. This refers also to those who are not lolis, example: Code Geass, that isn't moeshit nor a terrible anime but suffers of this problem. It's the reason why the last girls here >>1724224 look so unattractive compared to those before.

3) Too close to japanese culture and lifestyles, like >>1722640 said.

Also what he said: >>1723462 Games like FF13 are a huge turn-off aesthetically for that reason.

A note to the side: it has nothing to do with public perception to anime in general. In some western countries anime aren't seen as creepy or anything like that, and have been airing since the '70s, yet jap games don't sell better there. Stop thinking the US is the center of the world.

>>1724747
>Games like FF13
I don't think that the characters in that game look inherently bad, but when you still try to give characters multicolored hair and shit when they have somewhat realistic 3D models, they start looking like dumb cosplayers.

>>1724746
You can't really blame the casual observer for thinking that when the average contemporary anime fan on 4chan runs around like an underage autistic child hyped up on sugar, shitposting their le smug loli.jpg memes on every board. That's the exact shit that got MLP fans their own containment board and rule to not post ponies outside of it.

If we're talking specifically about games that look like manga/anime, some of it probably has to do with a lot of them moving over to handhelds, which are less popular in the west outside of niche markets and children.

For the last gen what remained on console had a handful of good things, but also a ton of shit like FF13, Compile factory shit, and NIS shit, which all suffer from the stuff like >>1724747. Plus japs apparently had a problem with HD development, so all the 3D models most "anime-style" games look like dogshit.

>>1724763
I agree. And while some of those are simply pure shitposters, /a/'s attitude towards anyone looking for things outside of moeshit doesn't help. Certainly hasn't helped with it's supposed purpose of keeping shitposters out of /a/ either.

>>1724763
Can get hard to talk about japanese things thanks to them. At least some series manage to escape the association with shitposting weebs, even when they're obviously japanese.

>>1724678
>"All modern anime which is commercially successful is bug-eyed alien samefaced schoolgirl garbage" is true.

But that's wrong too, just like the other statements. There's only a couple of "moeshit" series out of the 40 so shows every damn season, and outside of a few chance hits over the years, the vast majority of them sell next to nothing and get no attention, just like every other kind of show. Some of the highest selling series of recent years have been the Monogatari series (fanservice harem), Sunrise shows (mecha), breakaway hits like Madoka (mahou shoujo) and SNK (shounen), most of them beating a lot of "moe" shows by a mile. So it's the same shit as it's always been. Hell, even some shounen sports shows are doing great recently with KSB and Haikyuu.

And why is an anime discussion on /vr/? This is stupid.

>>1724763

You must be really new to 4chan if you think that what happened to the ponyfaggots is going to happen to the moefags.

But please, keep fapping to the fantasy that moot is going to come down from the heavens and smite all those evil people you hate.

>>1724797
You sound assblasted as hell
I've been here longer than you and I stopped browsing /a/ before you even got there. Fuck off back to your pedophile containment board.

>>1724801
Keep working at it anon. You might be able to intimidate people someday if you keep practicing.

>>1724797
What's the matter, his post hit a little to close to home for you?

>>1724804
>intimidate
Lol get the fuck out of here /a/utist

>>1724763
>That's the exact shit that got MLP fans their own containment board and rule to not post ponies outside of it.

I almost want moot to ban posting anime outside of /a/ just to see the shitstorm that it would cause on /v/ when people started trying to kick anime-looking games out, even if they're western stuff like Shantae.

>>1724810
That was such a shitty show. It was bad enough when it tried to be funny, but then the drama happened and it managed to get even worse.

>>1724812
But if that did ever happen there would still be no problem with Japanese games because they're not anime.

>>1724814
Wouldn't stop people from spamming threads with /a/ redirects.

>>1724810
nigga i don't even go to /a/, i just know when a cracka is posting some weak ass shit up here on the 'chan.

>>1724805
>>1724801

>pedophile containment board
>post hit a little too close to home for you?

Funny. If I'm not with you, I must be with the other side, right? You would love American politics, it fits your slow-thinking mentality so well.

I hate to break it to you, but anime is a part of 4chan. On topic anime will never be removed from any board, and as bad as it is, neither will anime-related image macros. Stop getting mad. If you don't like it, leave. Go to another website.

However, this thread is bad. It's stupid, and off-topic. It really doesn't have a place here on /vr/, but if there were an anime made that was about retro gaming, then it would be allowed. No amount of asspain over it would change that fact.

The shitposters posting with smugloli.jpg images are just that; shitposters. Shitposting can be done with something you would find less offensive, and it would still be shitposting. It's already against the rules to shitpost, smugloli.jpg images used or not. But like it, or not, anime does not have a 'containment board' on 4chan, and never will. Get over yourselves, and deal with it.

>>1724814
>>1724816

/v/ already has a heavy anti-'weeb' mentality. Lots of threads are shitposted to hell and back simply because they're about Japanese games.

>>1724820
Maybe if shitposters from /a/ would stop acting like MLPtards then people would stop making the comparison. I never said anything about any anti-anime rule, you got butthurt and started jumping to conclusions.

The only one here who sounds mad is you. Maybe you should head back to your hugbox.

To the mod/jan who'll come here: please don't delete the thread, just the /a/utists' posts.
Thank you.

>>1724825

/a/ posters do commit lots of trolling, but don't be surprised if a lot of the anime.jpg trolling is also done by /b/tards, or even people from the same board looking to get an easy rise out of you.

This idea that there's these hundreds of thousands of /a/ posters on other boards just looking to specifically ruin the place is absurd. As much as the idea that there's just as many NeoGaf posters on /v/, Tumblr/JIDF/SRS/Twitter/Reddit/Stormfront on /pol/ or any other board. Yes, there -are- people from these websites who are shitposters, but not every single person who disagrees with you, or says something you don't like is a boogeyman. Sometimes a troll, is just a trolll, and sometimes somebody disagreeing with you is just doing that, and you're being an ass and escalating things.

>>1724835
/a/ is one of a few boards with over 100 million posts. You're no minority, and it's already been documented that /a/ has an IRC group dedicated to shitposting other boards. I'm done with this, not going to contribute to your mission of shitting up other boards. Just go back to watching your cookie cutter moeshit and stop trying to ruin 4chan.

>>1724830

I sincerely doubt there are anybody from /a/ on /vr/, of all places, in this thread, of all threads, here just to piss you off.

4chan posters have turned into paranoid little shits lately. This rampant fear of some evil beast lurking around every corner looking to hurt -you- specifically has gotten out of hand.

>>1724837

Will you please stop ignoring vast portions of my posts just to continue to make me out to be some kind of fucking boogeyman? I already said that yes, there are people from /a/ who are looking to be trolls, and ruin other boards. However, do you honestly think that someone from that group is here in this thread? Do you really believe that every single person who disagrees with you is part of a concerted effort to ruin your day? That's straight up mental illness-tier mentality, man. Get that shit checked out.

>>1724837
>/a/ has an IRC group dedicated to shitposting other boards

It's an IRC group that shits up boards including /a/ (not like /a/ needs the help being shit).

>>1724797
>You must be really new to 4chan if you think that what happened to the ponyfaggots is going to happen to the moefags.
So fucking ironic. This newfag wasn't even around for the /a/ - /jp/ split. MLP wasn't even the first fanbase to get a containment board, and everyone knows that /a/ is now the containment board for moeshit.

>>1724854

Moeshit, maybe. But there's this idea running around 4chan that there should be no anime discussion what so ever outside of /a/. That is absurd. It's that line of thinking that caused small minority of /k/ to get so assblasted that they broke away and created opchan.

Look. It's not feasible for every anime shitposting troll you come across, or anybody who even disagrees with you to be from /a/.

>>1724870
Stop trying to put words in peoples mouths. You're either a terrible troll or legitimately retarded. Do you even read a post before replying to it?

Both sides in this thread have gone full retard.

>>1724874

Yes. I disagree with you, therefore I'm a troll. Thank you for legitimizing my argument for me.

>>>/v/

>>1724878

Shut up, you chickenshit pansy. Pick a side, or fuck off back to your little hole, you fucking wuss.

>>1724885

>>1724895

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QskoqggB-eY

>>1724240
>That's why you play western games instead.

that's the absolute worst thing you can do no matter what you think of anime

>>1724747
>2) Characters so anatomically out there they aren't neither attractive nor cute if not to a niche of fetishists. This refers also to those who are not lolis, example: Code Geass, that isn't moeshit nor a terrible anime but suffers of this problem. It's the reason why the last girls here >>1724224 look so unattractive compared to those before.

I think you're being rather disingenuous and misleading here. Anime consists of artistic abstractions and very few shows have anything resembling real human beings.

But that's not a problem. The whole medium began with a lot of extremely cartoony manga that are nothing like normal people.

The rest is a matter of preference, which is why it's so silly of you to generalize about what is or isn't attractive.

That image is a rather pointless and selective exercise. Not everything that's old looks better, and even then there are better shots of the newer shows, depending on the artists or animators involved, as well as worse shots of the older ones.

tl,dr: I don't buy your argument's premises and its conclusions are questionable.

This reaction image shit is hilarious. You realize there's fucking rars for them just to shitpost with, because they know people go fucking INSANE over them? They likely don't watch anything of what they post - like with all reaction images. Have you watched every piece of media that all your images fucking come from?

>>1724810
As for this RPing shit, it happens everywhere on steam for a reason, because it's a /v/ thing, not an /a/ thing. Report and ignore it. The majority of /v/ don't watch anime, just faggots who've watched 5 shows since they were 9 (yet consider themselves esteemed experts on the industry, like in this thread).

>>1724775
>/a/'s attitude towards anyone looking for things outside of moeshit doesn't help

This is a strange statement. There's plenty of shows that are not those every season, so people asking that must be too lazy and stupid to look themselves, or they are just fucking newfags, so they shouldn't ask to be spoonfed. Not to mention that this usually always comes up in retard shitposts like these:
>"Um im new to anime i like bkeach and cowboy biboop, give me more shows exactly like them that i can stream somewhere, and pls no fucking faggy moeshit that you pathetic cancer weebshits love, I fucking hate you all and hate anime too, just give me good mature shows for mature people like myself, like how they were in the good old days when everything was Akira and DBZ".

As for the ACTUAL thread topic, 3D anime almost always looks like garbage, but 2D RPGs were full of anime shit just the same, in character design, plot, character archetypes, and cute shit. It makes me laugh when I see some /v/tard say they hate everything anime but love Chrono Trigger and FF7 and other JRPGs. I'm sure some /m/fags would still say they're all shit too because no film grain, though.

>>1724837

You're a histrionic deluded retard dreaming up board-war drama garbage. This boogeyman group is an excuse for shitposters to shitpost and blame someone else for it.

>>1724823

The amount of posts with "moeshit" on the videogame boards have increased dramatically, usually referring to any japanese game and how they're cancer and should leave the board, etc

>>1724930
>You realize there's fucking rars for them just to shitpost with
links plz

>>1724921
Case in point: you put up a nice picture of Macross DYRL.

But do you know how the Macross TV series usually looked? Closer to this.

>>1724930
>"Um im new to anime i like bkeach and cowboy biboop, give me more shows exactly like them that i can stream somewhere, and pls no fucking faggy moeshit that you pathetic cancer weebshits love, I fucking hate you all and hate anime too, just give me good mature shows for mature people like myself, like how they were in the good old days when everything was Akira and DBZ".

Nah, you get shitposting in response to specific, polite requests too.

Anime used to be good. Certainly not all of it, but what we got in the West gave it an illicit and underground quality, even if it wasn't good. Also, it's just unavoidable that it was once written by people who knew how to do character development, world-building, and plot. There's still good stuff now of course, but it's buried beneath the generic copy-paste animu archetype bullshit, which we at least had the good fortune of not having to deal with in large quantities over here for many years.

Sadly, there are a lot of people who really like it, and the industry is more than willing to cater to both foreign and domestic fans of the garbage. The public are idiots, and the crap they're willing to accept has bled over into 'anime-influenced' games. Place games like Septerra Core or Chrono Trigger or Anachronox, all heavily anime-influenced or at least (mostly in Anachronox's case) influenced by games that were, next to some god-awful disappointment like Blue Dragon or any of the newer Final Fantasy games, and see what differences you find, for instance.

Additionally, stack old-school anime like the OVA of Gannmu or the films of Yoshiaki Kawajiri, or even lighter stuff like Slayers or Dragon Half, which feature actual characters and actual plots, next to wide-awake Kawaii bullshit like Kodocha or any other anime with copypasted archetypes as pretty much their only form of plot progression.

And yes, I know archetypes exist in all fiction, but in modern anime in particular there's a fairly non-creative, slavish adherence to them. That's why it doesn't work so much in games anymore. It requires adherence to a particular sort of anime influence. And I know for a fact, by the way, that there are Japanese people around my age (29) who have precisely the same desire for the more 'old-school' anime that I do.

>>1723462

That's why if you want to do to anime style, Dragon Quest 8 style cel-shading is the way to go.

>>1724224
>Anime used to be good and made with variety and artistry, now look at the fucking shit they put out, every single fucking show is just another k-on and lucky star clone

That's an incredibly shitty comment, but I didn't expect otherwise after looking at the hilariously biased and simplistic image you attached....which you obviously didn't fully look at either, since there's plenty ugly stuff in the earlier decades that managed to slip inside despite all the white-washing and nostalgia goggles you're engaging in.

>>1724947
>next to wide-awake Kawaii bullshit like Kodocha

Is google giving me the wrong thing or are you complaining about a manga targeted at young girls from 1995?

>>1724953
Pretty much. Just look at Tales of. The first HD game they made, Vesperia, did they and it looks good, while the others don't and look like ass.

>>1724967
*did that

>moeshit
>moeshit
>moeshit
The /v/ invasion is complete.

>>1724962

It's the first anime I can remember seeing where I suddenly had the epiphany that I didn't really like anime anymore. I still like some stuff, but very little.

We didn't get the anime until the early naughts though.

>>1724747
>2) Characters so anatomically out there they aren't neither attractive nor cute if not to a niche of fetishists. This refers also to those who are not lolis, example: Code Geass, that isn't moeshit nor a terrible anime but suffers of this problem. It's the reason why the last girls here >>1724224 look so unattractive compared to those before.

That's such a poor example and a rather maliciously unattractive picture of C.C. but even then, there's nothing anatomically "out there" about her face by anime standards. It's almost like you don't think before posting.

>>1724971
>It's the first anime I can remember seeing where I suddenly had the epiphany that I didn't really like anime anymore.

Because it wasn't targeted at you? I can get being frustrated by pandering stuff with the sole purpose of grabbing otaku money, but that's literally just something made for young girls.

>>1722624
>Anime in the 70s-90s looked good.
>implying bug-eyed alien samefaces didn't exist back then.

>>1724978

>it wasn't targeted at you

I'm not faulting it for that. In fact, it's probably far from the worst example of its genre. But there are anime fans my age who really like that bullshit. It was when I realized that I wasn't really one of those people anymore.

>>1724981
That's probably good for you then. The sort of people that watch anything simply because it's anime rather than out of genuine interest are the worst.

>>1724984

I'm not an edgy teenager about it either. I still like anime if it's worth my time. I recently looked up Cyber City Oedo 808 and really enjoyed it.

But by and large, I've fallen away from the medium. The fact that games cater to the people who haven't is the problem.

>>1724937
How would you even frame an opinion like "I hate modern anime and it's all fucking moeshit, it's impossible to find anything that isn't moeshit" politely? Because that's the standard opinion of people who ask that kind of stupid shit, and it's still wrong no matter how you say it. And they always admit they haven't watched anything in years, don't know anything that's airing, or anything that's aired in nearly a decade, and can't be bothered to look into it themselves. They're clueless and lazy and demand others help them, and thus are bad posters who don't care about the interest the board is about, they just want others to do it for them, and then talk out of their ass at the same time.

And rec threads of most all kinds are banned because you can google for countless lists of anime in seconds, and if you weren't a newfaggot or casual towards the medium, you'd already know what you'd want to watch next or how to find shows, because you'd be actually interested in the medium and know things about it. And if you are new and a casual, you should lurk more.

>>1724947
>>1724971
Kodacha is fucking SHOUJO romcom from nearly 20 damn years ago, is that your representation for all modern anime?
And referencing a few OVAs and films don't count, especially when you don't bring up any of the episodic toy commercial TV series that were built on archetypes, and all the OVAs that were just as derivative. And there's been actually hundreds of series made just in the past couple of years, hundreds of them that you've never even given a shot, are you saying there's not even 4 that's been any good to compare to those?

>>1724980
Not him, but even the more generic styles of back then looked much more appealing than most of today's equivalents. Then again, I grew up on 80's & 90's animu so I'm naturally biased.

>>1724990

>are you saying there's not even 4 that's been any good to compare to those?

No. In fact I said that even bad anime seemed good back in the early days because of time and place, and that it's just far more saturated now. And also that when I say 'anime used to be good' I obviously didn't mean all of it.

But if you feel the need to be hyperbolic then there isn't much of a conversation.

>>1724976

He was just biased against them going into it. The image makes it obvious how so many characteristics are not new at all.

I miss when Japan was more relevant in gaming.

>>1725052

True. They're a collapse monolith now to anyone who doesn't play Japanese games just because they always have.

>>1725052

I do, too.

Sadly, Japan's economy is weak, because a lot of their potential wage earners are now 'herbivore men.'

So we get moe pandering horseshit that does nothing but alienate Western markets like the US.

We'll never see another Chrono Trigger.

>>1725056
>We'll never see another Chrono Trigger.
good

>>1725056

I've not played it, but some people seem convinced that this game is the hero we need.

Looks pretty good.

>>1725060

Don't be a faggot. Like it, or not. Chrono Trigger was great, and far better than the crap we get from Japan today.

>>1725060
Shouldn't you be on /v/?

>>1725064

>responding to summer shitposters

nigga please, he just too pathetic to find even a shit party to go to tonight.

>>1725063

I've seen some things about it, and it does feel like a reboot of the classic FF series, and really taking what made those old games so great.

Then I also see the modern anime influence, and I'm scared.

I'm on the fence. Maybe Bravely Default is the hero we need, but at this point, is it it the hero we deserve?

>>1725071

>modern anime influence

It's... not what I would choose, but it looks like it works, and it's very much in the spirit of the DS reduxes of old Final Fantasy games.

>>1725052
At least we have the Soul series. Bloodborne is looking real good too, it's going to save video games! Praise From Software.

>>1725076

It reminds me of a modern take on the on the SNES Final Fantasy games, and that's great.

But it's also... well... it's also modern day Japan, and... I dunno.

>>1725056
>We'll never see another Chrono Trigger.

You can't simply because all its core members are caught up deep within their evolved careers with their own projects with no time for anything else these days, or are just outright retired.

CT was an exceptional product within its own time with circumstances that can't be replicated today.

>>1725064
>>1725071

Their games are still not all terrible, but modern anime is infecting it more and more each year with their sick pedo moeshit and it's going to kill their entertainment industry soon, mark my words.

It's really the end for JRPGs, and it's all animes fault. Fuck anime.

>>1725082

Eh. There could be so much more than this. So much more.

Will we ever see another good Megaman game? Another Devil May Cry? What about Gradius, or well... anything?

Just fucking Neptunia and Persona now.

>>1725094
megaman 8 for psx was where the series topped out

>>1725092

Okay, Captain Literal.

Yes. I will never see another game exactly like Chrono Trigger because those people are not going to get together again.

But that is not what I meant.

>>1725096

Megaman 7 and 8 were terrible. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>1725103
maybe if you sucked at snowboarding

>>1725105

Or maybe I just grew up with NES Megaman, and felt that the change in gameplay was just bad.

MMX was the true transition to 16-bit. There was no good transition to 32-bit.

Megaman is dead, and it died with Megaman X3.

>>1725115
i grew up with MMX, i'm seriously about just needing to gitgood

>>1725125

I never had a problem with the snowboarding parts of MM8.

I just don't like how they changed the formula. They should have just made a new Megaman series for that, or let the original games die with the NES.

>>1725063
>those anime character designs

Dropped.

>>1725137
>JRPG
>anime character designs
Gee.

>>1725096

Correct. There was no need to continue on with the Classic series after that point, although MM&B and Powered Up did come pretty close to knocking it off its throne!

>>1725141

Anime is killing japanese media. The farther away their games get from anime, the better.

>>1725148

Are you fucking retarded?

>>1725160

No, I have my eyes open. Moeshit has killed anime for good and has been slowly killing their videogames for years now. It's time to put a stop to it.

>>1725168
compare classic castlevanias to the castlevania games for the ds or 90s shmups to ones made today

there was some stylistic influence back then but nowadays they're shamelessly trying to pander to the anime crowd and it's ruining the aesthetic of the games

>>1725237
>compare classic castlevanias to the castlevania games for the ds
Not really a fair comparison, no one liked the new art and they switched back to the old style with Ecclesia.

>>1724024
OP here, I thought /vr/ would generate proper dicussion than if it were posted on /v/ with great shitposting.

This place is just /v/ with scanline discussion, stop having high expectations of people.

I think it's in the art direction and storylines, mostly. It's hard for normal people to relate to a lot of the stories that come out of Japanese games nowadays, and the art direction is obviously influenced by Anime/Manga a lot of the times (things that are seen as childish, out of fashion, for weirdos, etc. by common people).

Anime enjoyed a period of time where it was considered to be cool and/or interesting in the 90's, with a variety of shows tailored to not only children, but teenagers and adults as well. This made it a bit people a bit more open to trying out stuff that was obviously Anime influenced.

Nowadays, unless you're going out of your way to consume the material, your main exposure is going to be stuff like bakugan, which falls woefully short of the age group for main demographic of video games today. Thus, your perception of a game that's obviously Anime influenced will be garbage, unintelligible, insubstantial.

It's interesting, as a sidenote though, that you can get games like Resident Evil, which aren't obviously japanese to someone who has no primer on the culture of video games and the developer/publishers, but then you can get a game like Final Fantasy 7 in the same generation that's pretty obviously Japanese. It shows that Japanese developers and writers were (and still are, if you look at games like Metal Gear Solid or the Souls series) entirely capable of making successful games for both markets without alienating one or the other.

Stuff that is universal and culture-neutral sell better. This goes for basically anything else in media, like films and shows as well.

>>1725094
Neither of those games are big sellers, just profitable for their tiny devs.

>>1725115
The GBA games were good.

>>1725137
It's art from guy who did the FFT art.

>>1725168
Reconguista sure is moe.

>>1725094
The DMC team's last project was an rpg that may or may not get a sequel, and the company capcom outsourced the last few MM games to are making a game for Inafune and self-publishing another.

>>1724224
That picture reminds me just HOW FUCKING AWFUL the Fatal Fury OVAs all were.

ALL.

WERE.

>>1724879
>>1724930
Why do you have such a persecution complex? No one is going to take your loli pedo shit away, calm down retard. Did you ever think maybe people are trying to "troll" YOU about hating anime? Why do you have such a stake in defending /a/? Maybe you should fuck off back to there. It's laughable to imply like you did that anyone who doesn't like moeshit "hates anime". Fuck off back to your pedophile den.

>>1725634
You sure talk about pedodens a lot.

>>1725634
anon I think you need to lie down.

>>1724732
No.

>>1722579
>Anime style didn’t use to be a problem in previous generations,
Thousands of covers, boxart and graphics redrawn as generic fantasy/quasi-realistic style seem to differ.

>>1725705
>1 post
>a lot
That's just /a/utistic. Sorry you can't handle when someone doesn't like your moeshit garbage, this site is for 18+ maybe you should come back when you're older and more mature.

>>1725563

Try telling my teenage dick that.

I masturbated so much to the Mai scenes that I wore out the tape.

>>1725746
Was there actual nudity like with the Chun-li scene?


My dick will never forget that.

>>1725748

The slightest amounts. But the jiggle was in full effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMbkbYuUpg

Anime was a problem in the past too. Just look at the US Phantasy Star 4 and NES Mega Man boxes.

>>1725743
I really don't know why you're so mad about /a/ for no reason. It's shit but I don't need to rant on /vr/ about it.

>>1725743
>1 post
Not sure if you really think you are discreet or just that everyone else is completely retarded.

>>1725052
You can thank Sony for that. Despite being a Japanese company, they sowed the seeds for making western games into the norm as opposed to the outlier. Most console /vr/ games were developed by the Japanese, with a handful developed by the non-Japanese. As time went on, more and more western studios started making games. This was as early as the Genesis, but the PS1 officially marked the fact that more than half the games for the console were non-Japanese. The best selling game of the PS2 was GTA, a non-Japanese game, and most of the PS2's hits, barring ONLY MGS and FF, were not Japanese. Finally, Sony inspired MS to enter the market, and MS is just the other side of the coin, no different from Sony.

Thanks Yamauchi for pissing off Sony.

>>1725753
>Anime was a problem in the past too.

Most games had to be "white washed" and eliminate any trace of Japan in their art. Astyanax is one of the few games that still retains an obvious anime motif.

>>1725772
>CTRL+F pedophile den
>1 post
>hurr u shure do talk about pedodens a lot

Autism.

>>1725783
Good point, you clearly are not the pedo obsessed samefag with 50 other posts ITT. I apologize.
Let's change the subject. Why don't you tell me a bit what about 4chan.org appealed to you when you followed the link from IGN forums last week.

What is he on about? In previous generations, anime was very much a problem. Just look at the boxart differences threads that pop up here at times. Companies that imported Japanese video games painstakingly remade boxart, covers, graphics and even entire games (Street Combat) into generic fantasy/sci-fi 'tude crap and threw as many rapping highschoolers into their commercials as possible to desperately try and hide any and all traces of anime stylistic. Because anime simply did not sell. Games that were "too anime" or too cutesy would often be not imported at all and the "most anime" genres like Japanese home computer dating sims and visual novels and such were not imported at all and were virtually unknown to anyone outside of Japan.

Compare it to our days where everybody and his uncle plays visual novels and such and anime games are imported freely without any whitewashing as to their style and are reasonably popular. I'd say anime games are at a much better place than they were in previous generations.

>>1725837
>Compare it to our days where everybody and his uncle plays visual novels and such
What? I guess you're right if you consider stuff like the current Telltale games to be western VNs, but otherwise I don't know what you're talking about.

>>1725789

Whoever doesn't agree with you, is your enemy, and against you in every way.

>>1725063
That art is garbage. I'm not so depraved that I need imagery of sexualised young teenage girls to be a part of all aspects of entertainment in my life. I want to play video games, not have to look at this cartoon pedophilia horseshit. All that waifu shit is cancer too.

>>1725946
I don't see how that's particularly sexualized. It's the same artist that worked on Final Fantasy Tactics.

>>1725927
It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, it's a matter of wondering how fucking dumb you have to be to continue to subject yourself to a website whose userbase, history, and content you have an impassioned negative obsession with and apparent complex about.

>>1725957
It is featuring two very young looking females, one of whom is dressed in a sexy outfit. Very in line with a large amount of anime that clearly exists to pander to pedos/lonely males. Also, there's other stuff, like pic related.

>>1725946
>I want to play video games, not have to look at this cartoon pedophilia horseshit

Then don't look at a Final Fantasy spinoff and complain about it looking like another Final Fantasy spinoff that it shares a character designer with.

>>1725975
>>1725984
You're right guys, I should leave for the sake of not being exposed to such bad taste. I'll come back in 5 years when japanese media becomes ever more low-quality and niche than it already is now, and I'll laugh at you for having the complete inability to detect the cancer staring us all in the face that is destroying everything. You just can't see it.

>>1725983
I honestly don't see how that or this looks offensive. BD wasn't made to pander sexually, it was made to emulate the SNES FF games (particularly V) in the same way its spiritually predecessor tried to emulate NES games. The only thing offensive about it is the timeloop bullshit fucking up the gameplay.

>>1725789
>>1725975
Stop trying to imply anyone who doesn't like moeshit is an anime hater, newfag. Take your persecution complex and get the fuck off /vr/. Liking anime is fine, shitposting loli garbage was never fine outside of /b/.

Western games only got better once they started appealing to everybody. Japanese games should also try to appeal to everyone, not just some lonely nerd niche.

>>1725996

I originally posted the box cover. Don't particularly care for the art either, but the game is meant to be good.

They need to bring back Amano. I really want to see Amano character designs fully-realized with modern graphics. I feel like everyone would love that shit.

>>1726002

>>1726017
I agree. As an example, Capcom has tried broadening the appeal of Resident Evil, and as a result 5 and 6 are two of the best games the company has ever made.

>>1726017

>western games only got better once they started appealing to everybody

No, that's when they began their slow, inexorable march towards death. Clearly you never played any classic PC games. I'll admit that western console games were generally pretty shit though, but serious gamers didn't give a fuck about consoles.

I always had PC and consoles though.

>>1726015
>Stop trying to imply anyone who doesn't like moeshit is an anime hater

Saying "All anime is moeshit" does imply that.

>>1726032
No, it just implies that they recognize modern anime for the universal garbage that it is. Even Gundam is moeshit now.

>>1726015
Nobody implied that until you did.
>>1725996
OK sounds good.

>>1726032
Literally no one fucking said that but you. Either learn to read or get off the fucking internet.

>>1726036
>universal moeshit

There you go with that again.

I don't think you even try to keep up with modern anime, because you're so fixed on your confirmation bias you don't bother to actually look for non-moe anime (of which there are still plenty of).

>>1725996
How does the character designer for Vagrant Story, Tactics Ogre, and Final Fantasy Tactics represent cancer?

>>1726037
>It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, it's a matter of wondering how fucking dumb you have to be to continue to subject yourself to a website whose userbase, history, and content you have an impassioned negative obsession with and apparent complex about.
>4chan is an anime site
>if you hate moeshit that means you hate all anime fans and everyone and everything on 4chan

Just stop. No one is falling for your bait.

>>1726045
Just look at this. Even stuff that used to be cool like Gundam has been ruined now. Anime is shit.

>>1726045
>there's only one person on 4chan who hates moeshit

Keep thinking that. Did you ever think there is more than one person in this thread with you? Retard.

>>1726041

He basically just said it again here >>1726036 . Also the "99% is moeshit, earlier post, and many others. Same thing over and over with /v/tards, and it's always wrong. I bet he'll bring up K-ON and Lucky Star, too.

>>1726056
You're still butthurt over posts from yesterday.

Get over it. If you can't handle the fact that outside of /a/ and /jp/ not everyone LOVES your moe pedoshit then just head back there. By visiting boards you don't belong on you're just stressing yourself out.

>>1726052
Like I said, you're using anecdotal examples and then expanding it to everything.

Space Dandy is just one example of the many newer anime that aren't involved with moe.

But you wouldn't know that, being so convinced that "Anime is shit" because you're so sure of yourself that everything is somehow infected by moe.

>>1726053

There's been about 150 series made in the past year or so, can you name a majority of "moeshit" from them for me? How about just from the last season?

>>1726062
>not everyone LOVES your moe pedoshit

Which series in particular do I love?

>>1726069
I have nothing to prove to you. I already listed some of my favorite series earlier in this thread to try to show another anon that not all anime is moeshit. You seem overly defensive, accusatory and butthurt, I think it's time to disengage. Go take your meds, you're getting really unstable.

>>1726052
wut

>>1726036
>>1726052
>Even Gundam is moeshit now.
No, you're full of shit overall, and you're full of shit about Reconguista too.

>>1726074
>I have nothing to prove to you.

If you claim that all modern anime is moeshit, you should prove it first.

What is moeshit even? Anything with a cute girl in it, which goes back for decades? CGDCT shows, which only a few are made every year and most barely sell anything?

I thought this was supposed to be better than /v/, but it seems like the exact same shit, stupid arguments about anime and all. Still don't get that guy hating on Yoshida.

>>1726074
Let me guess, are you
>>1726053

>>1724763
>>1724797
But the containment chamber already exists, anon-kun

>>>/c/

>>1726048
I'm looking at what I see before me and calling that cancer, not the artist himself or his previous work

>>1726091
Don't see what's so cancerous about it. The art looks fine to me, and the ingame chibis, while understandably divisive, at least look better than the ones in the FFIV DS remake, and are a decent attempt at trying to do the older 2D chibi art (like >>1726021) and sprites in 3D.

Pixel graffix = don't look like animu shit

>>1726062
>By visiting boards you don't belong on you're just stressing yourself out.
Way to co-opt an argument that was originally and more fittinglyapplied to you.
>>1725975

>>1726113
>not liking moeshit now makes you an "anti-japanese zealot"
Wow. Just wow.

For the record, the moeshit term originated on /a/.

>>1726173
See >>1726049

Let me guess, next you're going to call me an anti Japanese zealot and imply that I dropped the atomic bombs, right? Get over it, not everyone likes it. There was never some magical point on 4chan where EVERYONE agreed and EVERYONE LOVED MOE ANIME. If you can't handle that then don't leave /a/.

>>1726189

Is there really anybody in this thread who posts/browses /a/?

>>1726236
A couple of anons seem to really have a vested interest in defending it, one guy in particular seems to love to imply that if you don't like moe then you're against everything Japanese. It's quite funny to because over there moe fans are considered a weird minority fringe. I miss when we jokingly called ourselves weebs on this site, somewhere along the way the irony of the statement was lost.

>>1726252

I've read through the thread, and some of the posts just seem to have either no particular stance on moeshit, or are indifferent to it. But I've also seen responses to those posts that are dripping with internet rage and implying the poster is really a secret /a/ moeshit lolipedo lover here to ruin everyone's day.

>>1726264
Why is it so hard for you to believe that there are /a/ posters here? Do you not realize /a/ is the 3rd biggest board on the site?

People probably wouldn't get so upset about it if people from /a/ stopped spamming their Kill le Kill or whatever other FOTM crap they are watching on all the other boards.

>>1725853

I think he means that now that we have the internet, people actually play stuff like VNs which have always been popular in Japan, but unknown here until recently.

>>1726283
>People probably wouldn't get so upset about it if people from /a/ stopped spamming their Kill le Kill or whatever other FOTM crap they are watching on all the other boards.
Meanwhile over here in reality we call those people /v/ermin shitposters.

>>1726283

There could be. But I think the idea that we've got the super-secret IRC group posting here and thumbing their nose at you is a little bit paranoia on your part.

And the idea that anybody who doesn't share your same level of anti-moe zeal is pro-moe isn't just stupid, it's mental hilarity.

In short: I think you're fucking crazy, anon. And I don't mean 'Haha, you're so craaazy~'. I mean 'We the jury find the defendant...' level of crazy.

Burn this thread. Tear it to the ground. Take it out to pasture. Smother it with a pillow. Send it out to the farm. Dump it into the furnace. Shove it into the gas chamber.

>>1726376

Are you anti-moe, or pro-moe. This is important.

>>1726390
Personally I think that a vagina is like a new running shoe, OK? At first, it looks good, smells ok and fits rather snugly. As time goes by, it stops being all of those things though, especially after being used repeatedly. It starts to look beat up, smells worse and worse, and things get kinda sloppy. A VAGINA is basically a tepid reservoir of bacterial filth, with new bacteria and viruses being added every time a new strange cock goes in (which is usually fairly often, because all women are whores. Even Mom.). It tastes like it smells too, sour with a peculiar strongness. They all smell and taste like that. All of them. Wanna know why? It is also a drain for bodily refuse like dead cells, dead bacteria, and dead spermatozoa. It smells the way it does, because it is full of decaying things all closed up in a moist, heated pocket.

Too many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have.

>>1726362
Where did I mention any IRC group? Stop bringing up old posts and respond to the posts that you were replying to.

I think most of society would agree that the crazy ones are the basement dwellers who are still living with their parents in their 20's and obsess over shows about "cute girls doing cute things". It's just creepy, and it doesn't matter if you in America or Japan, most people will agree.

>>1726362
>And the idea that anybody who doesn't share your same level of anti-moe zeal is pro-moe
Literally never said this. Stop twisting words you overly emotional faggot.

>>1726450

It's been done in this thread. Constantly. Maybe -you- didn't say it, but we're all anonymous here.

>>1726446

I bet you're going to turn into an Adam Lanza one day.

>>1726481
Lol that's a good one. Says the guy still bothered and paranoid by posts that were made a day ago on a retro gaming board about his chinese cartoons. Is this you?

>>1726481
Actually, Adam Lanza's forum posts were found and he was a pro-pedo who loved shitty moe anime. So you obviously have a lot more in common with him than I do.

>>1726509
If there's one thing spree killers all have in common, it's medication.

It almost seems like psychiatric "medicine" creates killers. I mean, shit like Columbine never happened before we started pumping our kids full of chemicals.

>>1722640
>Other M, for example, has a heroine who is terrified of enemies and needs strong male guidance to function

Except.. not really. She was only scared of the guy who murderd her parents and gave her PTSD. Every other alien she had no problem with.

Try playing the games you bitch about

>>1726517
Sorry but that's just not true. The first massacre to take place at a School took place in the early 1900's. Google "bathouse school bombing"

>>1726702

>defending other m

That's adorable.

This thread is full of awful trolls. Stop feeding them. Also this thread is shit.

>>1726517
are you trolling? I think you are trolling...

just in case anyone might actually think this, check the definitions of "Correlation" and "Causality".

Statistics say that ice cream sales always spike during periods of high criminal activity. does this mean that chemicals in ice cream drive men to do evil? no.

ice creams sales spike in the summer time.
crime spikes in the summer time. nobody wants to go mugging, when its cold out

>>1727069
>nobody wants to go mugging when its cold out
I find it a bit unsettling that you know this.

>>1724005
The reason was because Castlevania doesn't sell well in Japan.

>>1724674
seriously, I didn't get the sarcasm, that's exactly what I would expect from any 'animu fan'. and I didn't reply earlier because this thread is so huge and I couldn't care less about talking about anime.

>>1726086
I'm disappointed too. I'll never understand how a certain artstyle can turn a person into a raging manchild.

I stopped browsing /v/ for various reasons but maybe I'll have to stop browsing /vr/ too since it's becoming /v/-lite lately.

>>1727194
I am not an anime fan.

In my experience, I don't mind Anime when the characters have different faces and normally sized eyes.

What I don't like is anime in which characters have all the same face with gigantic eyes.

I think westerners don't have a problem with anime that looks like Robotech.
The problem is the modern anime of cute girls with identical faces and huge eyes.
When people post their favorite Vita games in /v/ it oftens looks like all the characters from many different games have the same face, and that is a big turn off.

>>1727042
>I also think it's not as easy to derail threads with a single shitpost
They sure derail them with CP though.

>>1727238
Nah, they just don't like jap games nowadays. If they wanted manly shit from japan they would have bought Yakuza.

>>1727258
You mean the one guy defending legalizing pedo sex, I'm pretty sure it's a troll.

>>1727134

"I listen to jazz. Miles Davis, Coltrane, the list goes on" is a /mu/ meme

>>1727262
>yakuza
Or last remnant, or lost odyssey, or end of eternity, or nier, or drakengard 3, or resonance of fate...

>>1727262

Well, going for a less "huge eyes + same face" style worked well for the last fire emblem from a commercial point of view.

this kind of anime is definitely better liked in the west

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjR4_CbPpQ


than this kind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SU9waBBVCw

>>1727287
That same FE pumped waifu stuff hard though.

You guys are so stupid. In previous generations even though many japanese games were based off of an anime artstyle, graphics just weren't good enough to really distinguish one artstyle from another. It's pretty hard to make an anime looking dude if you're artstyle is pixelated.

>>1725563
no way they were good dude. nothing amazing but a solid 7/10 for sure.

>>1723551
I don't think this is right. if you read about the anime industry of the 80s and 90s, you will hear about something called "The Bubble".

in the late 80's Japan started doing some weird financial shit with their land prices, and the market for land shot through the roof. land was used to finance all kinds of business ventures, and companies started using the cheap investment money to grow. the Japanese economy went into overdrive and people were making money hand over fist.

look at the number of OVAs put out in the 80s, compared to this decade. we get a pitiful fraction of the stuff that was getting animated, back then. part of that mean that a lot of stuff was directed at the mainstream and sci fi markets. animation studios had the money to experiment with.

leading into the 90s, the japanese real estate bubble burst and their economy started falling into a recession. We, in the West, never noticed it because anime was starting to get big, here. all that sci-fi had stoked our nerds, who brought anime to the mainstream. By that point, Pokemon and DBZ had whetted western appetites, so anime companies shifted their focus to us. Again, lots of mature stories, mainstream themes, and science fiction.

eventually, we had our own market bubbles burst and our economy has started failing. shit like Borders going out of business really destroyed the anime and manga industry, here.

with no money at home, and no money coming in from abroad, the Japanese studios turned to the most steady source of cash they could find: Otaku. I mean, real otaku. the kind of introverted beta geeks who buy up loli moe shit like it were crack. these guys are the reasons Blu Rays are $100 in Japan. they buy it at those prices. They demand saucer-eyed sameface moe. they demand pure waifus they can make into body pillows. they want endless stories about high school first love. crap Westerners could not care less about. but... Japanese otaku pay the bills. We don't.

>>1727238

Sameface is a stupid argument. There's only so much detail you can put into a human face in illustration, since much of the differences in human faces come from discreet facial features that are difficult if not impossible to illustrate.

It's called abstraction, and every animated medium uses it. There are ways to tell characters apart other than the subtle differences in facial structure.

There are so many better reasons to hate anime.

>>1723696
I think there has always been a schism between japanese games and western tastes. it wasn't really until the Xbox that western developers had a chance of really driving the market.

the japanese developers snubbed Microsoft's machine, so they packed the system with western companies. Western devs know what Western fans want. We used to be an afterthought to Japanese devs. now we are driving the industry

>>1727750
Yeah, good thing you're so different from those creepy beta faggots who don't even get laid.

>>1727768
Not really true, konami and capcom only started developing for the genesis after they noticed the console was a huge success in the west.

>>1723950
>Cream Lemon
oh, come on! that was the tiniest of niches, at the time. first hentai anime EVER is not a trend.

you may have a point, but that example is shit

>>1724005
I heard that anime is suffering a brain drain because all the good writers are getting into video games. I don't know what's going on with the art. I think that Castlevania example is just an example of the publisher not giving a crap

>>1724276
sorry, buddy... that's the cure that is saving Anime. sorry that you are too edgy and cool to enjoy the best written show to come out of Japan in years

>>1727785
Thank god your opinion is irrelevant and japan already made armin into a sexy shota trap.
Stay mad, moehater.

>>1727785
>>1727789
>animu
>good writing

>>1724751
that's what he is talking about. 2D anime tricks used on realistic 3D characters. the thing with the wild hair styles in rainbow colors was a trick animators used to help differentiate between characters.

because they fucking sucked at drawing different faces. look at Dragon Ball Z and search your heart: you know it to be true

>>1727794

>because they fucking sucked at drawing different faces

Or because 2D sprites needed distinguishing characteristic because of low amounts of detail. Sameface is such a fucking stupid argument, and there are so many things more wrong with animu.

Hell, humans irl look functionally the same if you take away hair, skin color, eye color, clothing, height, and headshape, which is the whole argument of the 'animu is sameface lol' crowd. Western animation does it too, and always has. Essentially realistic human characters are very hard to draw with differences from each other that are anything but cosmetic. Subtle facial differences are hard to pick up even in humans.

>>1727794

But manga came before anime. And Dragonball was made as a manga first.

There are no colours in manga. And most of them had black or no hair anyways.

>>1727810
which is where the wacky hair styles came in. also, animators are not as skillful as manga creators. Look at shows like Sailor Moon. that started out in black and white, yet every character has different colored hair

>>1727817
>which is where the wacky hair styles came in.
They're not that common.

>also, animators are not as skillful as manga creators.
Animators don't create the character designs, the manga artists do, in black and white only.

>>1727759
if The Simpsons can have a cast of millions, and no repeating faces, I am sure Japanese animators can do the same

another example, any Western action cartoon. From 80's GI Joe, up to The Legend of Korra

>>1727836
i don't think there's millions of simpsons characters

>>1723173
>out of character chibi designs
>moeshit

Iczer-1 was originally yuri porn. The animated version added more giant robots, gore, and tentacles.

>>1727817
>animators are not as skillful as manga creators
Dude, just lol.

>>1727772
yeah... but threads on this board are full of stunning japanese games that never got translated. the Western audiences have always been secondary to the Japanese.

Hell, the reason the Genesis is more popular in Europe than the SNES is because Nintendo couldn't be bothered to sell their system there. the reason PC gaming is so huge in Eastern Europe is because gaming companies still ignore the region.

>>1727848
>but threads on this board are full of stunning japanese games that never got translated
That's the publisher's fault and not the developers.
Square of America didn't bring Seiken Densetsu 3 over, not Japan's.

As for the rest of your post, there are a lot of other reasons for that, for one piracy is much more prevalent in places like Russia.

>>1727836
>and no repeating faces

Most simpsons faces are buckley tier identical with it's eyes, nose, and mouths. It's usually only the hair and sometimes skin colour that changes.

Sometimes you even get weirdly coloured sticking up blue hair.

>>1727836

>the legend of korra
>basically anime
>not sameface

Dude, just fucking stop. And there are tons of repeating faces in the Simpsons. They have several different facial structures that they combine with different body types, hair styles, and outfits to create different characters. Homer and Krusty, for instance, are essentially identical.

And if you take away costumes, body shape, skin color, eye color, and facial hair, most male Joes look completely identical.

That's just how animation works.

>>1726517
>artificial god
THIS IS TRIGGERING ME SO HARD /v/ PLS HELP I DONT WANT TO OWN A FEDORA

>>1727879
Do samefacers really even know what they are talking about?

Do they not get that sometimes artists are paid to make their work look like previous stuff? Is it just alck of knowing or a willingness not to?

>>1727862
You didn't really pick a good example.
Nelson and Barney have different eyes and noses. Even their over-bites are different.
Which is funny because they're supposed to look alike.

>>1727791
>Cartoons
>Good writing

>>1724970

implying /vr/ isn't /v/ with less underage and more autism and pretentiousness.

>>1724921
It's not about looking like normal people, that wasn't what I meant, Sally is in the first row and she's pretty cartoony.
But as long as you don't aim to do something completely cartoony (like the Daimao's kid for example) , anatomy and dimensions matter a lot. How realistic or good looking the style is isn't the point (which was what you meant), it's about how correct anatomy and movement is.
Some shots may fail at that but I'm talking more about character design, which was the point of that image I think.

And I brought in attractiveness in reference to the character that are SUPPOSED to be found attractive by the viewer. That character is supposed to be found so, but even among the audience of the show it didn't really succeed as much as they supposedly aimed to.
Sure some do found her attractive, just as much as some found cartoon ponies attractive: it's a fetish more than anything else.

In CG the characters aim to still somewhat resemble humans, and that character in particular is supposed to be attractive, but they didn't do a good work at it: the neck, the shoulders, the thickness of the arms and legs look way too inhuman for something that is supposed to still represent normal humans.
It's not a new thing though, for example Saber Marionette J and Fatal Fury had the same problem. It's not about realism, it's about making the character look human enough so when you see them you still see them as (attractive) people, if human (attractive) people is the intention.

>>1724976
>It's almost like you don't think before posting.
Or maybe your like of reading comprehension is the problem.

>>1724994
>>1724936
Why do you think I made that image you doofus, I didn't.

>>1725837
That's because the US usually imported those games, a lot of EU imported games leaved the style as is.

The US had a problem with anime, not the western world. Stop generalizing.

>>1728938
USA can't deal with anything that isn't spees mareen.

Welp. This was terrible.

>>1728938
>>1728946
Rest of the world ain't much different, really.

>>1728137
Yeah, that's the thing there's a lot of different styles in manga or even Pixiv, sometimes even by the same artist
These people don't realize professional animators need to learn how to draw realistic faces first BEFORE moving on to stylized designs.

>>1727879
>Homer and Krusty, for instance, are essentially identical.

That was Matt Groening's specific intention, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krusty_the_Clown
>Krusty's appearance and design is basically just that of Homer Simpson with clown make-up.[28] Groening said that "The satirical conceit that I was going for at the time was that The Simpsons was about a kid who had no respect for his father, but worshiped a clown who looked exactly like his father," a theme which became less important as the show developed.[23] One concept initially saw Krusty being revealed as Homer's secret identity but the idea was dropped for being too complex and because the writers were too busy developing the series.[29]

>>1728953
Depends on the country, some can come close I guess but others either don't give a shit or actually celebrate anime culture.
None though went to the same length as the US to retool style and origin of a game.

>>1728990
Interestingly, I was playing some Chinese and Korean rpgs and their design aesthetic doesn't seem to be much different from japanese anime.
Maybe it really is a culture thing?
Pic related is Spectral vs Generation by a Taiwanese company, for Chinese arcades.

>>1728938
France are huge weebs.

>>1729009
So are asian countries.

>>1729009
By the way Knights of Valour 2, is also Chinese and an awesome Shadow Over Mystara clone that everyone should try out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaX-Hc_QKyY

>>1727750
>. these guys are the reasons Blu Rays are $100 in Japan
Those guys were paying big Yen even back in the 80s. AFAIK there wasn't much of a home video market so these guys tended to buy copies meant for rental stores at a very high price. Kind of like those SHMUP maniacs these days that get the PCB on release day.

>>1730352
yep. and since they consistently did that, anime companies adopted that as the de facto price point. Moe Otaku basically bought the anime industry