/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1167815
Go with the older model with the curved edges if you ever want to play some light gun games. They don't work properly on the newer flat crt tv's.

>>1167818
I have a flat Toshiba crt and Time crisis for psx works fine.

>>1167815
MORE AV PORTS MORE POWA!

>>1167818
>Go with the older model with the curved edges if you ever want to play some light gun games. They don't work properly on the newer flat crt tv's.
This is false.

Any source or explanation?

>>1167818
I currently have a 13'' flat screen crt and my nes light gun works great

>>1167815
I'd go for the little Trinitron KV. 20" is a really nice size for video games. Bigger than that, and you start to get geometry problems and really atrocious scan lines.

Unless the larger one has component and the 20" doesn't, of course. Also - if the tube face is like a spherical section, it's not a Trinitron. Even the first Trinitrons were cylindrical, because the tension of the aperture grille would crush a vertically-curved screen into dust.

>>1167840
>because the tension of the aperture grille would crush a vertically-curved screen into dust

y...yeaa......I get you.

Here's a pic of the larger one for sale. That's what I mean by curved

What should I look for if I'm looking for component input? The smaller one has S-video. The larger one..I don't know

20" is the perfect sized CRT.

a 36" tube is going to be so deathly heavy you will regret every trying to lift it.

>>1167858

S-video is more important overall than component.

Component is nice, but a wider array of consoles support s-video.

Also, check for a teletext mode on the remote of the older. It has the ability to deinterlace an image down to 240p.

Also also, if you have a Dreamcast, bring it to test out the TV with the 240p test patterns disc. They'll think you're a little weird, but you're already a little weird for considering such a fuckhueg CRT.

>>1167864
The teletext hack only works on SCART RGB tv's.

>>1167864
Component is nice because it's essentially lossless to/from RGB, so (if necessary) you can hook up external equipment to handle other signals (RGB, mainly) with no quality issues.

But yes, for games which have ~320 pixels per line, s-video is more than sufficient. Games which have ~640 pixels per line (some SNES and PS1 games, as well as most stuff which runs in 480i) could theoretically show patterns that s-video would smudge out.

>>1167869
I can hop into the service menu of my (US) KV-30FS13 and force the TV to non-interlaced mode. It doesn't "stick" after a reboot, though.

>live in Ausfalia
>no more analog tv
>people ditching CRT TVs left and right
>want to get one but don't want to lug one home only to find that it doesn't work

>>1167864
>>1167873
I think I've only seen a component input on my parents first generation 720p plasma tv (that looks like shit now, btw)

Ive never seen it on a CRT.

These are the inputs I should look for though, right?

>>1167882
This is the back of my Sony WEGA trinitron CRT.

Component inputs were common on flat screen CRT's TV's made after 1998.

>>1167882
Yes.

Analog component video, like that, was introduced almost entirely for DVD video. (DVD frames, when decoded, give sets of Y/Cb/Cr values, and DVD is actually high-resolution enough that s-video loses information.)

>>1167886
>that antenna jack
u wot m8

>>1167901
>having to screw in your antenna/RF cables

>>1167886
Well here's what the CL guy posted. Looks like the top left has S Video, at least. There's another with S video on the front

>>1167905
No component?
I'd just go with the little one then.

>>1167903
>using anything but an F connector for RF signals

>>1167905
>Well here's what the CL guy posted. Looks like the top left has S Video, at least. There's another with S video on the front
looks like mine i have a snes a n64 a gamecube and a nes all hooked up at the same time

>>1167967
Nice

Have a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kunChAr9I

I think I'm just going to pick up the smaller one. Judging from the internet, the 20'' is nearly 70lbs so I don't think I'm getting anything heavier than that.

>look on ebay for OP's TV
>dem scanlines.

I found this sucker on CL for 25 buckaroos

not really retro, but it plays my PC games well and displays low res games very nicely, obviously not a PVM but w/e

>>1167913
this a million times

Is this any good /vr/?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380753179456&ssPageName=ADME:X:eRTM:US:1123

if the Philips magnabox acceptable?

/vr/ gave me the Sony bug. I've never owned a Sony set, but somehow all these crt threads got me obsessed with getting a Trinitron. I've hunted the local shops for months looking for a good Trinitron, and I finally found one today!

I got this Sony KV-27TS36 for $10 at Goodwill. I ended up getting a Sony VCR there too, and the manager was really cool and helped me test the two together to make sure they worked. Picture quality was great, and the 27-inch screen is impressively big. We tested with a VHS copy of Armegeddon, and nearly every pore on Bruce Willis' face was visible. Manufacturing date was August of 1993. The TV has three composite inputs and one S-video input. The VCR doesn't have S-video ports, which kinda sucks, but not a deal-breaker. I still need to pick up an S-video cable for my PS2.

I've currently got the new TV set up in my smoke room, and I'll be giving it a proper breaking-in whenever my DMT arrives. The Trinitron was pretty heavy, but I was able to get it through the house by myself, which is good. I also have a 34-inch Toshiba HD-CRT which requires a two-person minimum to move.

>>1168061
I have passed on so many 27" Trinitrons like that one because they didnt have component or RGB.

Does your have the subwoofer on top?

Component Trinitrons every time

A couple months ago I took some pics of Trinitron vs Trinitron, 87 vs 03.

I got some distribution amps since then so let's look at CRT vs LCD.

Here's CRT

LCD

CRT

LCD.

CRT.

LCD - the brightness caused some sync bars on that last one so this isn't really a fair comparison

This is all I have for now. It's certainly not the best but it gets the job done. Looks kind of nice, too.

CRT

CRT

>>1168228
Actually that was the LCD

This is the CRT

CRT .

LCD - in this one I think the CRT crushed it.

CRT ..

LCD

CRT

LCD .

Also, one thing you can't see here but you can feel instantly is the delay on the HD. Playing while looking at the CRT is straight up more responsive. I should just make a 60 fps video of Mario jumping to try to demonstrate.

>>1168276

I didn't realize how much lag there really was on my LCD until I got a free 20" CRT for my retro gaming.. my Mario skill improved at least by a quarter. Simply more responsive. I can't ever play my retro consoles on an LCD ever again.

>>1168276
I agree. That's the only reason I'm looking for a CRT. I will say that my Samsung 46'' LCD has no noticeable lag, but I suck at Punch out or any game that requires an insane amount of precision so who knows. My old LCD had very noticeable lag.

OP here

I passively mentioned it in the first post, but if you have an android, I would recommend getting Craigslist Notification app.

'Every half an hour or so, it scans your local craigslist for up to around 6 terms. I usually use "NES SNES N64 Super Nintendo Trinitron"

I've picked up several games just by having the app. It also cuts down on time wasted hunting on craigslist because I know exactly what's available.

>>1168482
Are you trying to advertise this app or something? There's one for PC that doesn't have a limited number of items to watch for, doesn't use your cell battery or mobile data and just emails you (or text messages you) when it gets hits, which it can look for much more often if you set it up to.

>>1167879
By lug do you mean you don't have a car? If you don't that might be tricky, but you can manage by getting a hand truck or cart and wheel. A decent truck takes nearly all the effort out of moving stuff. If you've got hills, you might want to look into finding one with a break or just adding one by snagging bike calipers and jury rigging it.

>>1168592
No. Didn't realize they were that prevalent. I haven't heard CL monitoring as a thing on /vr/ before

>want to show the CRT thread my GroovyMAME / PVM-as-desktop monitor rig

>know that SquarePusher will just show up and shitpost the thread to death

Oh well.

>>1169350
Please do, fuck the haters. What do you use to get a 15 kHz RGB output?

I was thinking of getting an ArcadeVGA or something for this purpose, as my current graphics card's only analogue output is also the only dual link DVI output which I need for my 120Hz monitor.

Hey guys, I'm not so sure about this common recommendation of CRTs with component inputs. If it's got component there's a high chance it's an EDTV/HDTV and that just adds too many variables which could potentially make it not much better than an LCD, e.g. the input video going through a scaler, input lag, no native 240p ability, etc.

Are SDTVs with component inputs common in the US? Eurofag here, where RGB SCART was pretty much the de facto standard for connecting up DVD players so YPbBr never really took off except for pre-HDMI ED/HD. HD CRTs pretty much didn't exist here either, but there was lots of 100 Hz progressive scan bullshit on late high-end models.

>>1167815
>Is there a definite Trinitron model?
Do you mean "definitive"? There's always the PVM series (pic related), but even there's 20+ years of many models - different screen sizes, different input combinations (there are models with only composite inputs which is pretty shit for games), different regional variations, multistandard support, etc.

>>1167901
>>1167903
>>1167913
Belling-Lee connectors are the standard on TVs in PAL land. We only use F-connectors for cable or satellite TV.

I got me a free CRT and a Wii for free and set it up with Retroarch. Playing with the settings to get it right but the games look pretty damn good If I had to say so myself.
It's a comfy set-up too, now all I need is a classic controller.

>>1169350

He only did that because you made it sound like FBA running games too fast was RetroArch's fault...

>>1167818
only if the flatscreen model is HD ready will it not work with a light gun.
i type from experience

>>1168061
smoke room?
fuck that shit

>>1169479
Yes, SD TVs with component inputs were quite common for 6 or 8 years here, and not uncommon for some years before that. ED/SD CRTs can usually be recognized by their somewhat wider aspect ratio but SDs are more common.

I'd honestly like it if some Anons ended up getting some and posting pics of them doing some of our /vr/ tricks, for reference sake at least.

>>1169654
He does it all the time. You just mention his name and he appears. He probably has his own webcrawler.

>>1169479
>Are SDTVs with component inputs common in the US?
Yes. A nice portion of Sony's WEGA/FD series is SD and have component.

Sanic 3 (Complete) from the Wii over component on an KV-32FS13.

Upon changing some settings in an attempt to get rid of "field lines" from showing at the top, I see to have made the picture bow in at the center slightly. Not really obvious in this picture though.

New to posting in CRT threads been doing a lot of research/reading on them lately.

This popped up in my local craigslist as 19" Sony TV. Is this a Trinitron? Can any of you identify which model this is?

The seller hasn't gotten back to me and i'm just interested if it has S-Video or if it even has composite inputs.

>>1170019
It's definitely a Trinitron. Mid 90s. It might have Svideo but it probably doesn't have component, especially on a mid-size one like that.

>>1170051
Worth it for 25 bucks? What do these sets usually run at these days.

>>1170058
I wouldn't buy it period but I'm a heavy thrifter and I see a lot of TVs. It really just depends on how available tubes are in your area and how extreme you want to ultimately take your retro gaming hobby.

>>1170061
Thanks for the insight. I mean I know want a CRT eventually and nothing over 19 or 20 inches really, so when I saw this I was kind of excited, especially being a Trinitron. Maybe I'll keep shopping around though.

>>1170070
If you're never going to get into modding consoles and you don't want to hook your non-retro consoles to it, Svideo will be adequate. 20" is just the right size to buy a PVM and $25 isn't enough to get a PVM but it's a step in the right direction.

>>1169962
No he just lurks Emulation General. Someone linked that post you made about RetroArch asking if that was true and he saw it.

>>1168191

Is that an emulator or a Genesis through RGB?

>>1170724
It's Wii RetroArch over component.

>>1170771

Alright.

I asked because it looks like it's outputting 480i, which I thought was weird.

Get one with that has both component and s-video inputs at the very minimum. My 20inch trinitron only has component and composite and RF. I really really wish it had that s-video input so I could use s-video with my SNES or Genesis.

Now if you really want to do it right. You'll get one of the high def trinitrons. Those suckers can do progressive scan such as 480p or high def like 1080i. Back when I bought my TV I didn't know about any of that stuff. If I knew about it, I'd have spent more money and gotten one of these HD trinitrons.

>>1172015
HD CRT's suffer lag just like LCD and plasma.

>>1170775
It's 240p but the red is a little bit high on that WEGA so the scanlines aren't as intense as on my PVM.

So I ended up picking up this Trinitron for 10 bucks, I said why not.

But the picture does this. It bows at all corners. Any way to fix this? Is this thing trash?

Also idk if it's just starfox, but the picture doesn't take up the entire screen. What gives?

>>1173186
>Also idk if it's just starfox
It is. Starfox underscans quiet heavily.

>It bows at all corners. Any way to fix this? Is this thing trash?
If it has a way to get into/has a service menu, fiddle around with the pincushion settings. My FD/WEGA called the center/general one pamp, and the (l)ower and (u)pper one lpin/upin respectively.

Do be sure to right down the original settings before you change anything.

>>1173238
Did some research and googling for this model. Some people are saying that KV-27TS27 models are too old and Sony didn't put a service menu in them. Some are saying that they do. Trying the codes and nothing seems to be working.

Bummer.

>>1173271
>KV-27TS27
I just downloaded the schematic.
http://www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/59378/Sony_KV27TS27.html

You have to open your TV, and adjust the trimmers RV555,556 on the E-board labeled as lower/upper pin (just like >>1173238 said).
If you don't have any experience with this, then you should google for CRT safety measures first.

>>1173307
Wow thanks!

>adjust the trimmers
I'm reading the schematic and located the trimmers you're talking about so I'm sure i'd be able to find it on the real thing. How does one adjust trimmers. Is it something anyone could do with some patience and common sense? How would I know how to adjust it, I'm assuming I can't leave the TV on while fiddling with the board.

>CRT safety measures
Doing this right now.

Thanks for all the help so far!

i love CRTs but why are you guys obsessed w em??

>>1173347
Because they aren't being made anymore and was replaced by an inferior technology.

>>1173335
>How does one adjust trimmers. Is it something anyone could do with some patience and common sense?
They are like screws, you just take a fitting screwdriver and slowly turn it until your picture is right.

>How would I know how to adjust it, I'm assuming I can't leave the TV on while fiddling with the board.
A mirror that allows you to see your screen while you stand behind it will make this quite easy, also i'm sure that Sony placed these trimmers at the edge of the board for easy access. And yes, the TV needs to be on, that's the main reason why i told you to look up CRT safety.

>>1173347
Because CRTs are cool.

>>1173349
LCD is vastly superior in every way to CRT. CRTs are only good for old consoles.

>>1173354
>why are you obsessed with CRT's
>CRTs are only good for old consoles
>browsing /vr/

you just answered your own question.

>>1173350
Gotcha. I'll be back with a status report.

Any place to get a 50/60 Hz TV in the US? I've been emulating a lot of retro games on my Wii lately and it'd be nice to be able to play European games at the original 50 Hz. Plus it has a chance of having a SCART connector for delicious RGB.

>>1173354
>LCD is vastly superior in every way to CRT
try reading some text as it scrolls across your screen

or better yet, just turn off the lights and observe your "black" screen glowing like a flashlight

>>1173354
>LCD is vastly superior in every way to CRT

Yeah, no. They're better for power efficiency, size, and sharpness, but worse in a lot of other ways like contrast, color, motion quality, display lag, black levels, and freedom to use resolutions other than "native".

There are some LCDs that can have good contrast and color but shit motion quality and display lag. Then there's ones that have good motion quality and low display lag but poor colors and contrast, bad viewing angles, and poor black levels.

No LCD beats CRTs in every category. OLED has it's own problems as well, and is still sample-and-hold like LCDs are so motion quality is still bad.

>>1173404

I think PVMs can, but don't quote me on that.

I know they can handle NTSC and PAL signals, but I'm not sure how.

>>1173417
>>1173436
You people don't know shit about technology. If CRTs were so much better, then why aren't they being made anymore? A monitor from 2003 magically being better than one from 2013 is a fucking ridiculous thought, we don't progress backwards.

>>1173467
>If CRTs were so much better, then why aren't they being made anymore?
Because now that LCDs have progressed so much, I'd imagine they're now more expensive to produce and much bulkier, more unwieldy, and consume far more power.
Also, I'm pretty sure high-end CRTs are still being produced, for medical imaging if I remember correctly.

I don't know why I'm responding to this, though. If you don't care about CRTs why post in the CRT thread?

>>1173467
LCDs are thinner, the average consumer doesn't care about small input lag or color bleeding/blending, and there's no spacing between any scanlines.

It's not that they're better, it's that they're more well equipped for a broader marketplace. CRTs are better for older games because of a lack of things like input lag and color wash. And don't get me wrong, a large part of it IS nostalgia, but not to the degree you assume.

>>1173467
>If CRTs were so much better, then why aren't they being made anymore?

>implying the better thing always wins out against the cheaper thing

There was an e waste recycling event near my house today. I saw tons of sony trintron tv's and stuff being hauled away for scrap.

I asked the guys if I could grab one of them and they wouldn't let them go. ;_;

>>1173619
Ouch.

I've been thinking about saving some nice CRT here and there but I don't know where to keep them.

>>1173619
I know that feel.

I missed out on 2 PVM's like that.

>>1173619
>how do bribes work?

Still haven't really figured out the perfect way of taking photos of CRTs. Shit's hard.

Also, Arc ends so abruptly. Damn, son.

>>1168248
Super helpful.

Thanks.

>>1173642
>How does getting fired for accepting bribes on the job work?

>>1173467

More like you don't know shit and thinking newer = better.

Educate yourself

http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/lcd-motion-artifacts/
http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/60vs120vslb/

:-D Picked up two PVM14M4U's tonight. Haven't had a chance to test them yet but I wanted to ask a few questions...

I wanted to try hooking them up to my computer for some MAME and such, I just need a VGA to BNC cable for that right? Something like this? http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=102&cp_id=10203&cs_id=1020304&p_id=568&seq=1&format=1#largeimage

Also, seeing as I have two of these, I could plug the outputs into the inputs of the second PVM right? I plan on keeping one in TATE.

Lastly it's safe to put speakers next to these right?

Can't wait to try these out!

I would love to go pick this up but 27" is just too big and heavy,

>>1174258
I should mention that it has SCART.

>>1174037
>Also, seeing as I have two of these, I could plug the outputs into the inputs of the second PVM right?
Yes

>Lastly it's safe to put speakers next to these right?
They're shielded to be used in close operation with other equipment, so I don't see why not. Having my GXTV with its speakers & sub right about my 20M2MDU hasn't bothered it at all.

>>1174258
Nice reflection, FatBald McSweatpants.

>>1174367
It would be in a small room and 100 lbs is heavy if you have to maneuver it around.

20" is the optimum size.

>>1174258

27" is not that heavy. Less than 100 lbs. Are you a manlet?

Apart from the viewing angles, this thing is amazing.

Has built in surround sound.

>>1167815

So could anybody explain to me the difference between flatscreen and curved CRTs in terms of quality? I've been browsing craiglist for a while now and a large majority of people in my area are only selling 25"+ flatscreens.

>>1174684

It have to do with the glare, I think.

Here are the connectors on the PVM desktop / GroovyMAME rig as requested.

It's an MSI Radeon HD 4650 > ATi DVI to VGA passive switchover > VGA cable > BNC breakout cable > T-connector to splice H+V sync

And here's how close you can run R-Type to original sync. Note that this is superior in every way to an ArcadeVGA.

And some Bad Dudes. I was looking forward to getting R*t*o*rch going on this but since S*ua*e*u*her's flipout I've decided that the program must be inherently flawed like him. Thus I will have to configure every emulator individually.

what should i expect to pay for a SONY GDM-FW900, and where can I find one?

hipsters

>>1174684

All CRTs have a sort of curved picture, but curved screens make this geometry issue not as noticeable.

On the other hand, flat screens have fewer glare issues and usually a better anti-glare coating.

>>1174848

Your soul, and nowhere.

>>1174825
>Thus I will have to configure every emulator individually.

Have fun with that

>>1175062

what, they don't exist anymore or something? do they fall apart with age?

>>1176331
They're impossible to find, and are incredibly expensive if you are lucky enough to find one.

>>1174825
>S*ua*e*u*her'

What he had a meltdown or something?

Is 0.9.9.7 still coming?

>>1176331
They are rare, anaon. Huge CRTs are rare in general. The people who bought them were people with money. You know, the kind of people who throw things away as soon as something newer and fancier comes along. They probably chucked it out a decade ago in favor of a flatscreen.

You're lucky to find any large CRT without problems these days. The largest CRT I have ever seen is my 16 inch (diagonal) eMachines CRT I'm using right now. Mine was fount by a DUMPSTER. I got lucky it wasn't full of rainwater. It weighs a good 50 pounds.

Pic related. My battle Station with my CRT.

>>1176347
>The largest CRT I have ever seen is my 16 inch (diagonal) eMachines CRT I'm using right now.

Then you're doing something wrong. 19" are available all over the place. You can even order larger ones online. Though some do have issues that can be resolved. Like convergence issues.

Also just because people paid a lot for something doesn't mean they toss shit away. Stop being a fucking retard. If you got a FW900 you probably know why the fuck you got one.

Relatedly, is there anything that beats the FW900 for what it is?

>>1176393
21" VGA CRTs are also pretty common. 24" is where they start losing clarity, much like pvms

>>1173354
LCDs a few pros but are offset by major cons.

They're brighter than CRT monitors and possibly even CRT TV depending on the models being compared.

They're light and portable no matter how big they are.
They can be pretty big.
Even shit like 55 inch displays are fairly easy to move around without much difficulty.
They tend to be more power efficient, which has it's place.

What they don't have is image quality. Some cons are:

Typically low DPI
Black crush and terrible contrast.
Blurring/ghosting, can be improved with lightboost but still not as good as CRT.
Typical pixel arrangements can make things like text difficult to read. Cleartype was developed to help alleviate this, but it still looks like shit and nowhere near as defined compared to a CRT with good convergence.
They typically suck at scaling images.

These are still problems and they are still being worked on to this very day.
They're getting better but they still aren't as good as CRTs.

>>1176393
>poster mixes up computer CRT with Television CRT
> Replier doesn't notice, rages
> le trollface

As a side note, I take it you have never lived near a rich neighborhood. These people throw EVERYTHING away. Vacuum cleaner bag full? Toss the vacuum out, it "stopped working right". 20 inch monitor? Toss out the 19 inch. It was only $200, who cares?

protip: Dumpster dive in neighborhoods near expensive colleges around April or May. The things people toss out are astounding.

>>1176564
I don't thimk any of them were talking about 15khz SD "TV" CRTs

>>1176340
Who, Shitpusher? He showed up here and told us all that if we want updated versions to "learn to program" and to compile them ourselves using our Wii SDKs.

>>1176791

Where did he say that?

>>1176803
Almost every post he made in this thread, why.

http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1091384/

>>1176803
See, like I told you before - an end-user cannot ever get this stuff right. You need to learn to program to actually know WTF you are talking about.

Really son - drop down that joypad for a few months in your life and go get yourself hooked up on the Libogc SDK - get Devkitpro too. Go learn the VI and GX subsytems. See how things work. Stop being a caveman and stop becoming actually "educated".

>>1176883
That was in response to people complaining about "accurate 240p" on the Wii and how it's not actually possible due to the GX scaler

>>1177543
No it wasn't, it was in response to me demonstrating my CRT_emudriver build since I'm such a joke for using Windows, not KMS via custom Linux.

So you really think that RetroArch on Wii is capable of running MAME? Of playing Mortal Kombat at true 54 Hz like he claims? Or that that would even work on an NTSC TV that only goes as low as 55.5 Hz?

Everyone can look at the archived thread and see you're lying, SON.

>>1177927
>RetroArch on Wii is capable of running MAME? Of playing Mortal Kombat at true 54 Hz like he claims?

The PC version can, and you can just set set a custom resolution that has 54hz for perfect sync

>>1168276
>>1168338
>>1168478

It's funny because I got the exact opposite, my brother got himself a huge HDTV for himself but it stayed in my house for some time, I tried Mega Man and Mario on it and couldn't do shit, like fo real.
I'm a poorfag so I don't even own a LCD or a HDTV, I'm stuck with a Panasonic from the 90', but apart from modern games looking better on my bro tv the retro ones are absolutely trash on it.

>>1176347
>dem skulls

If I were a faggot I'd tell you're edgy.
But since I'm not, I'll ask you
Why?

>>1178286
He likes keeping his room spooky.

>not using a CRT VGA monitor for emulation

>>1179830

I use CRT monitors for everything that isn't a laptop.

>>1174816
>>1174823
>>1174825

That's pretty sweet. How did you get the graphics card to output 15 kHz? Is this an ATI-only solution? How is this superior to ArcadeVGA?

And you just connected H+V sync to the composite sync input with a T connector? I didn't realise it was so easy.

>>1176347

>throwing out fw900s

You're so wrong it hurts. The people the bought them DID have money and they knew what they had. Most people who had them never got rid of them. The people that did get rid of them sold them to someone else that knew the value of a good CRT monitor. There was only one fw900 on my craigslist (Houston, one of the largest cities) and it was up for 2 months at nearly 300 dollars before it was sold. The seller was obviously someone from /g/ too.

>>1176347
>They probably chucked it out a decade ago in favor of a flatscreen.
The FW900 was new 10 years ago, dumpass

>>1173467

>we don't progress backwards

Says you idiot. 10 or so years ago it was common for laptops to have higher resolutions or monitors in general to be made with high resolutions. good laptops could be 2048x1536 or even 1920x1200. The IBM T220/T221 says hello too.

Yes or no? I need more information on buying pvms/ the common problems.
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/ele/4151530513.html

or

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/ele/4151544856.html

>>1179960
Those pictures are the wrong way round - the 8020 is the 8" with the hood. It has no s-video or RGB input.

the 1340 is in pretty shitty condition, the screen bezel is completely fucked. It has RGBS and s-video inputs, but is the lowest spec 13" US market PVM from that era (pic related). It has a lower grade tube compared to the "Super fine pitch" Trinitrons with SMPTE-grade phosphors - I suspect it's not really any better than a consumer grade Trinitron from that era, but you won't get RGB on pretty much any consumer sets the US.

Considering the condition and spec I don't think it's worth as much as the seller wants.

I have a PVM-1442QM (Euro equivalent of 1342Q) and am very happy with it. I'm having some minor picture quality issues (visible retrace lines on black screens) but hopefully it can be corrected with re-calibration. Considering mine is 22 years old I don't expect it to be maintenance-free.

crappy panasonic with a built in vcr, wii hooked up via composite

>>1177927
I don't think you or him are on the same page...

Maybe this is a stupid question, but I have a Trinitron monitor, one of the last models I think (I don't have it here with me now). Playing only emulated old-gen games (PS1 and backwards +5-6 titles from the PS2 library), what benefices do I get from playing in 1800x1440 resolution opposed to 1280x1024? (Other than the possibility to render games in higher resolution in PCSX2, something that I can happily live without).I'm asking this because I browse a bit with that monitor between games and I can't read shit while in 1800x1440 because the monitor is far from me. Please don't be mad if I can't into resolution

Has anyone had any luck connecting their PC to a PVM for emulators besides MAME? I read that if it's not configured right it could damage the TV.

>>1180176
PVMs are not TVs they're actually quite tolerant of frequencies even ones that are outside their range shouldn't damage them quickly.

>>1180202
Any modern IC-based CRT TV not designed by retards will just switch off and go into an error state (e.g. flashing power light) if you try an feed it an out-of-range signal.

I accidentally tried a 480p60 signal on my PVM-1442QM and just got a fuzzy double picture.

>>1180176
The main problem is if your graphics card is not configured to output a 15 kHz signal (on the VGA out) then your PVM will not be able to display anything usable.

>>1180361

I see. How would one configure to output 15kHz? I've seen programs like Soft 15khz, any experience with that?

Or I could try out the Extron Emotia I suppose.

I'm picking up a PVM 2030
Is there a difference between the Japanese neo geo aes rgb output cable?
I know I need an SCART cable but is there difference between the us and japan pin out?

So i got a 2004 Toshiba 20AF44 from craigslist for $15. Plugged it in and.....everything looks like shit. Apparently theres this thing called VSM (vertical scan modulation) that makes it look like the sharpness has been turned up to 200. It seems theres no way to disable it either. My old rca tv from 1989 looks better than this thing. shit.

>>1180891
If you open the back you can find a small board labelled VSM and unplug its power supply. It should be at the back of the tube.

>>1180903
Ok i might check that out before i junk it lol. Theres also a loud electric buzzing sound coming from the back of the set. Im used to noisy crt's but this noise is a bit excessive. any idea what it could be?

>>1179885
I did it like this http://pastebin.com/6w93KZDz

That should be enough information to learn how to do it, it's basically instructions I made to myself so that I wouldn't blow up my new computer I was making. In case I suffer amnesia or something and can't play arcade games. This is someone's mirror of it.

It's superior to ArcadeVGA because that's just a Radeon 9200. ATI cards have the ability to produce infinitely low pixel clocks or something, allowing for infinite low resolutions. CRT Emudriver doesn't just give you a ton of custom emulation-worthy 15 Khz resolutions...it includes SwitchRes so you can set your systems up to automatically switch to exact game / console resolution on startup.

You can also configure each game's modelines individually. Each CRT is different, so centering everything takes adjustment. It's probably easiest for common modelines..adjust Capcom arcade game syle resolutions to fit, move on to Neo Geo, take care of each console, etc.

But yeah, the ArcadeVGA is just the same thing, except as far as I can tell it's a less powerful card for more money and it has less custom resolutions.

>>1180915
Thanks, sounds pretty good. The XP requirement is a bit of a downer - I can dual boot but it would make it a much bigger project for me.

I currently have a Radeon HD 7850, so I was thinking of installing another cheap old compatible Radeon in the second 16x slot. Once I get an XP setup working with CRT_Emudriver installed, will it be able to run with both the 7850 and the other card installed? Will it just ignore the 7850 or will shit not work at all?

I'm not bothered by the lack of power of the ArcadeVGA as I would only be using it for emulation, but this does sound like a much cheaper solution - I could get an X300 for next to nothing.

>>1181282
You can't use the 7850 for emulation, but you should be able to disable the 7850 and enable the 4000 series or lesser. The only problem I had with XP so far was due to Calamity's hacked drivers, it would be stable otherwise. Sometimes DirectX forgets how to function, and for a while video caused blue screens. New codecs fixed everything permanently. Got Windows 7 so I play modern 3d games also, but haven't installed it yet. Need to partition.

I've got an HD 4870 on this computer but still built another machine just to avoid having to deal with dual boots (or rebooting my main computer whenever I wanted to play games).

You could always buy a 60 dollar 3 ghz Pentium AKA the new core 2 duo without hyper threading, slap it in a little motherboard with some power and memory and insert into Japanese arcade machine.

>>1181328
If I was doing it the XP install would be exclusively for emulation, so I wouldn't care about codecs or whatever else.

I do have my old PC (Q6600) with no graphics card sitting in a corner, I could put the card in that and just use that for emulation but it's big and noisy. My new PC (i5-4670K) can play everything in MAME at 100% including the newer 3D stuff which my Q6600 couldn't, but then again the newer games are less likely to benefit from a 15 kHz monitor anyway.

>CRT topic on / v /
>shitposting saying CRTs are useless old tech
>CRT topic on / vr /
>sophisticated gentlemen Discussing their hobby in an orderly fashion

Can I hang out with you guys? I think I'm too old for / v /

Quick question:
I live in Brampton, Ontario (Canada, for the geographically impaired) and I am trying to find a CRT (to play non-retro games. I need the response time for fitan games). I already tried thrift stores and shit, but I found nothing. Do I have to resort to Craiglist shenanigans or is there any other places I can check that are easy and local?

>>1181358

Do they have the Salvation Army or Goodwill up there? If so, check those.

Other options would be craig's list, or medical supply places might have PVMs so you can play in RGB.

>>1181360
Apparently my friend checked all the thrift stores and found nothing.
Where would I find a medical supply place? Nigga, I live in the heart of the downtown.

>>1181362

Dentists and any doctors would have them.

>>1181367
So, I get an appointment with my family doctor to...... Buy a TV?
Also, how does Craigslist work? I've never used it before.

>>1181369

Crais's list is literally just a free ad site. You make a name and...you know what, just google that.

As far as doctors, just mention if they have any studio monitors. If you don't know any, then I don't know what to tell you.

I'm probably asking for a mountain of shit by asking this in the CRT thread, but hear me out:

I live in an extremely small studio apartment several stories up and will be here for a good deal of time. What few tubes I've come across in my area are either crap brands or enormous bastards that I'm not carrying up to my place.

Luckily, my LCD has one of the most negligible input lag rates based on that lag report site, so it doesn't affect my ability to play games. However, I still crave dem sweet scanlines.

Should I look into getting an XRGB mini, or are there any better options? tl;dr: What's the next best thing possible to a CRT?

>>1181373

Why not just buy a new PVM online from a medical supply site?

>>1168061
>The VCR doesn't have S-video ports, which kinda sucks, but not a deal-breaker.
S-VHS VCRs came with S-Video jacks, regular VHS decks didn't.

>>1180690
yes

>>1181393
for normal VHS tapes it wouldn't matter if S-Video or composite is used

>>1181373

Studiobro here too.

14" monitors all the way. I have a PVM now, but any Tron will do just fine.

What exactly do you need to output from your PC to a CRT television? Seems like most modern graphics cards don't have s-video out.

Here's a screencap of my Commodore 1085-S RGB monitor, hooked to my Amiga running R-Type.

>>1181352
Never go back to /v/. You're among friends here.

>>1181451

Same monitor, with the Scooper Logo from the Scoopex/ShareAndEnjoy Megademo.

>>1181464

And with the Wild Copper logo on their Megalodemo. If you find these pic crappy, just tell me (and give me some advices to get better pics).

>>1181438
>for normal VHS tapes it wouldn't matter if S-Video or composite is used
Actually no, because even standard VHS is recorded in Y/C by nature (not composite like laserdiscs).

>>1181352
Welcome to /vr/, where civility and a difference of opinion is often encouraged.

>>1181506
>often
but not always, ya dingus!!!

>>1181512
Hah. Well I can respect that.

>>1181450
Get a VGA CRT monitor because they're way easier to deal with.

>>1181352
Oh god that picture quality is sexy

>>1181450
For retro, just make sure you have a card that can do 15kHz out of the VGA port (or DVI-A/I port), then get a good, simple VGA-component transcoder and use the component inputs on your CRT SDTV.

Due to general driver stupidity and the unsophisticated nature of the TV encoder chips on the analog TV outputs that were used on most older video cards, video card TV outputs are actually best avoided for maximum quality and usability.

>>1181582
If this is an option that answers the original question, absolutely go for a monitor. But there are distinct differences between hi-res monitors and SDTVs beyond convenience, and if you're going for a retro look, it's easier and a more authentic experience with an SDTV.

>>1182105
>and if you're going for a retro look, it's easier ... with an SDTV.

Nope. You can get low res modes to work fine with some tricks. It doesn't require anything out of the ordinary other than a video card with a driver that lets you set custom resolutions.

>>1182135
Enjoy choosing between a flickery mess and a juddery mess. TVs are built for 60hz, and have long-persistence phosphors so they don't flicker.

>>1182140

Mine doesn't flicker that bad at 60hz, flicker is only noticeable when you're using it as a desktop. In game it's not noticeable at all and looks like a TV except much much sharper (and that's a good thing)

>>1182105
>VGA-component transcoder

Enjoy your lag

So I've been playing my Dreamcast on my CRT until now, like I do with all my retro, but I'm wondering if it would actually look better on my modern TV due to the games having higher resolutions than my other CRTable consoles.

Does Dreamcast look good on a big LCD?

>>1182178
RGB can be laglessly converted to YPbPr. The RGB signal just needs to be the proper frequency and resolution.

>>1182339
In VGA it does. Do you have a VGA box?

>>1182135
>pic
eww. lookin bad, bro.

captcha: without isePity

>>1182178
An actual, real colorspace transcoder is a simple device with zero introduced latency. Maybe you're only familiar with the cheap shit you can buy at Radio Shack that also includes a low-quality scanrate converter, or for that matter, Micomsoft products.

>>1182379
It doesn't look bad it just doesn't look like a real N64.

http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/hsh/4166816292.html
Does this look like a good deal, guys? I've never seen HDMI input on a CRT before. A single TV to keep my hi-def PC and my retro consoles connected to simultaneously sounds too good to be true..

>>1182339
I have my Dreamcast VGA box hooked up to a CRT SDTV via S-Video and both a CRT monitor+CRT HDTV split via distro amp. For low-res pixel games (arcade ports mostly), I use the SDTV. For everything else, monitor or HDTV in progressive scan.

>>1182392
>It doesn't look bad it just doesn't look like a real N64.
This is /vr/, so this statement is borderline contradictory.

>>1182376
No, I only have the composite cables that came with it. Is that no good? Should I stick with the CRT?

>>1182417
>composite
absolutely stick to the CRT

>>1182425
I see. Then I will. Thanks for the advice.

>>1182416
That's why tri-dot monitors have no place being used to display retro console games.

CRT_Geom looks pretty close but no matter what you do, on close inspection tri-dot looks different from shadow mask & aperture grille.

>>1182489
Don't stick your face 2 inches away from the screen and you're good

>>1182489

Yeah it looks better.

>>1182392

You don't want it looking like a real N64, because that looks like ass due to the awful blur filtering.

>>1182492
It's the principle

>>1169428
Not him but I've used plenty of older nvidia and ati cards.

Can't say that I've gotten my 4890 to work but that's stretching where I've heard it working.

I had to build a sync combiner because the pvm I have only accepts composite sync, so that was fun.

I just kept switching resolutions without the crt on the rgb bnc inputs, just in case something were to happen. Also I used teamviewer into a windows xp machine.

Works alright, can't say that I wouldn't love a multiscan monitor that won't die because 640x480 somehow will destroy the internal components in an older crt.

>>1182548
>I had to build a sync combiner because the pvm I have only accepts composite sync, so that was fun.

Does this guy''s post make you feel like you wasted a lot of time?
>>1174816

>>1182543
What then? Pick a worse display so it's like you're not even playing a real N64?

>>1182548
>build a sync combiner
Which meant what, plugging two cables into a t-connector?

>>1182379
>bad

No actually it looks superb

>>1182560
>CRT monitor
>worse display

Are you fucking kidding me?

>>1182562
much better than your *bad* N64 pic

>>1182394
As an HD CRT, it won't play well with retro consoles, but if you're looking for a TV for you 6th Gen systems(as I am), it'd be wonderful.

>>1182567
Explain what you think I'm saying.

>>1182558
Well I tried that, however the picture displayed was scrolling.

Actually I'll call what I built a hack because whenever the picture had change in light -> dark or different color the picture would move up slightly but reset down.

the thing I build stabilized the picture somewhat but nothing that I would call perfect. But I hear combining both signals isn't good for the display, but who knows.

>>1182612
Just to let you guys see what I'm talking about when I say device, it combines both v and h sync to create whatever signal is generated after passing through two resistors and 4 xor gates.

Don't want to call it c-sync but it was accepted by the pvm. If I did the coupler thing (which I did before doing this) it would only pass through a red zigzag lines. This also occurred when I tried using h-sync by itself.

>>1182612
This gives Regular Show a really neat aesthetic. It looks like a CD-i sequence with out pixelated everything is, and considering the art style of RS, it fits really well.

Finally decided to pick up a PVM 2530 rather than getting a behemoth HDCRT. The 2530 however only has the CMPTR/25 SubD input. I've found 25 Sub D to Scart adapter.

But is there anyway I can get an input for Component Gamecube and Original Xbox?

You'd think some company out there would start producing new CRT monitors to corner the retro market. Hell, I'm no electronics expert but I'm sure they could create a display with a CRT look without it being the size and weight of an actual CRT.

>>1182394
That looks like a 30xs955, which is a superb TV for modern vidya. I have the 34" (16:9) and the 36" (4:3).

>>1182678
transcoder

>>1182680
>I'm no electronics expert
>I'm sure they could create a display with a CRT look without it being the size and weight of an actual CRT
QED

has anyone tried adding RGB inputs to a TV without them?

The TV's would have to convert to RGB at some point, so you should be able to just hook up some wires and add a scart connector or something.

Well beyond my capabilities but i'm sure someone would be able to do it.

>>1182696
This may sound dumb...but I already have a transcoder because I was doing Scart Input to Component Output to get my older systems on RGB scart on my HDtv.

Would I be able to literally turn it around and do Component Input to Scart Output?

>>1182727
Wouldn't work, but the optimism is heart-warming.

>>1182719
Someone has done it via using the OSD which for a cheap Chinese brand tv a guy used had rgb but only through rgb.

Not all tvs directly output in rgb or in rgb in an easily accessible way.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100530093358/http://133fsb.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/adding-an-rgb-input-to-a-cheap-generic-ntsc-tv/

>>1182752
>>1182719
Check this shit out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIiePRkHuTw

>>1182750
BALLS, oh well, no biggie. Can you point me in the direction of the type of transcoder that would work?

I've been looking and I just get the exact Scart to Component transcoder that I already own.

Thanks...and I'm glad I could warm your heart. Just think of RGB Ikaruga...mmm delicious.

>>1182761
> Just think of RGB Ikaruga...mmm delicious.

You'd honestly be better off running it off of its native 480p from the Dreamcast's VGA box.

>>1182761
I think we should start with why you want to convert component to scart - there's probably a simpler solution..

>>1182775
I've had a bad run with Dreamcasts, dont trust em anymore because I've never had one that lives longer than 4mos before the laser dies. Once a stable and reliable USB/SD flashcart comes out for it I'll try again. I like the reliability of Gamecube.

>>1182772
I'm trying to convert component to scart to play Component Gamecube & Original Xbox on my Sony PVM, problem is the only RGB input it has is SubD25pin.

I've only found a SubD25pin to Scart converter. So it seems like the only way to get component into it is through Scart, while other PVMs have Component inputs

>>1182795
>I've never had one that lives longer than 4mos before the laser dies.
That sucks. I've had a black sports edition for around 10 years now, play it weekly, it's still kicking.

>>1182795
Both those systems have native scart cables.

So I just found one of these in the dumpster - model no. 1701, circa june '83. These were used with Commodore C64s, right? There's some light cracking on one side of the casing, but it works just fine. It's got one set of composite inputs and one set of 'Commodore Video' inputs which look like composite jacks but only display in black and white when I tested it with my Mega Drive.

Did I find something worthwhile, or should I be looking for something with RGB instead?

>>1182808
I've come to not trust any SEGA disc based system. My Sega CD is pretty crap too. Have the Model 2 version the "easier" version, and it never works when I want it to.

>>1182816
I'm about 85% sure that the native scart cables for Gamecube and Xbox Original work only on the european versions.

>>1182816
If it's a US Gamecube, it won't do RGB out of its MultiA/V port.

>>1182818
>one set of 'Commodore Video' inputs which look like composite jacks but only display in black and white when I tested it with my Mega Drive.
It's essentially S-Video(Y/C). Luma on one line and Chroma on the other. You're only getting black and white when you feed it composite because it's only taking the luminescence information, not the color.

>>1182842
Oh spit, all hail the Kyng. Yo, do you have a imgur, or flickr or something that I can just flip through all of your scanline/PVMporn?

I'm super excited to be getting a PVM myself...despite needing to jump through a few hoops and having problems figuring out how to get my US component Gamecube in this goddamn DSub25 input PVM

>>1182848
>Yo, do you have a imgur, or flickr or something that I can just flip through all of your scanline/PVMporn
I have an imgur account that has pictures I took with in the first week or so of getting my PVM, but they're 90% duplicates(my approach to photo taking was "take as many as possible and hope at least one comes out presentable").

Despite there being a bit over 600 photos, I doubt there being any more than 20-25 games across all of them.

Been meaning to go through everything I've taken and sort out the "good" ones; Maybe I'll do that tonight.

Imgur has bothered me with some of it restrictions. Would flickr be a good place to throw them up? Someone had requested I make a tumblr back in March, but nothing ever really came of that?

>>1173646
Personally, I think that photo is beautiful gorgeous.

How can I take better pictures of my CRT? Using a mobile camera.

The TV is a 27" JVC i'Art, AV-27F475. Picked it up for 30 bucks.

>>1182883
Looks like I was begin generous. It was less than 20.

That said, I've got the majority of the good pictures sorted out, just need a place to upload them. Time for sleep.

>CRT
>heavy
>takes up space
>shitty resolution
>scanlines
>noticeable refresh rate flicker
>everyone who comes into your house think you must be poor

No thanks

>>1183256

>Doesn't have two TV's

I really need two identical PVMs so I can wire them up in series from my CRT_emudriver rig with one always on its side and the other always normal. Big 25" ProFeels or whatever those ones are called...can't believe I missed a free one on CL.

>>1183256
>noticeable refresh rate flicker
>implying sample-and-hold blur is preferable

where can you get these sony pvm's? and what prices do they usually go for? Ive tried looking around at dentists and medical offices because I heard alot of those places used to use them/ But they've all changed to lcd screens now. Is the only way spending $150+ on ebay?

>>1184389
I got my PVM-20L2MD for free at a local electronics recycling place. Works great and looks like it wasn't used very much.

>>1184395
So you just asked them for it? All the recyclers ive been to won't give out stuff that's been turned in.

>>1184407
Yep, just asked! I guess it depends on the person/company.

>>1184389
I got my PVM-1442QM free as it was being thrown out in college. It was probably from a lab or something as it had an asset tag for Howmedica (orthopaedics company who probably donated/loaned it to the college) and was also with an RGB video printer, which I did not take as I assumed it would need some weird cartridges or funny paper to work anyway.

I got an Olympus OEV-203 which is really a Sony PVM 20m2mdu on eBay for $40 with free shipping. I was the only one who bid on it. When it arrived it wasn't the one pictured in the auction and when I opened a case about it the seller just refunded my money so I got it for free.

>>1183232
>>1182848
As requested;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/107927172@N04/sets
Nothing is tagged, but they're all divided up game. Signal type for each picture should be listed in the description.

>>1184594
>$40 with free shipping.
Noice.

Have you tried it out yet? How does it look?

>being able to move your TV without a crane.

>>1184604
What kind of PVM do you have?

This is fantastic, thank you. I just got my PVM 2530 and am loving it.

It is weird not having speakers, but I got an audio break out, I dusted off my Sony Studio Monitor Headphones and have not had a more intimate video game experience.

Right now I'm playing SNES and N64 (and NES emulated thru N64) through S-Video. So far Rogue Squadron has blown my shit away, and I dont even have my expansion pack in.

Mega Man 2 looked great and so did Little Nemo & Batman. Haven't had anything that really made me double take on SNES though.

Really excited to get this puppy purring with RGB.

let me know if there is anyone in the NJ/PA/DE area who is into CRTs the guy I bought from is trying to unload some. They are pricy but in AMAZING condition, and the guy is super nice.

I need a game station

>>1184931
20M2MDU

It's a 600 line model and from '98, so there are newer and sharper models out there, but it's in great condition. Still need too fiddle around in the service menu one of these days.

>NJ/PA/DE area who is into CRTs the guy I bought from is trying to unload some
I'm on the other side of PA, but if he had anything in the *L5 series and would be willing to ship, I'd be interested.


Need to get a SCART cable for one of my Gene- Mega Drives. Where would be a good place to order one?

>>1184949
>anything in the *L5 series
Or any of the "Multi Format" models for that matter. I just really want to get my hands on an HDCRT.

>>1184952
There are a few places online, but what Kinda Gene-MegaDrives are you trying to get it for?

I've got a Scart cable for my MD/Gene1, but it does not have the Stereo input and I might end up replacing it.

Email is in my post but I can email you about the Scart cable sources. I'll also ask the guy I bought from what he has. I know he has quite abit as he buys out TV studios. But they are pricey from him...I guess its because of how reliable he is though.

>>1184973
I've got a Model 1 and a Model 2, so either would work;
I usually end up using my Model 2 though.

While spending less is always preferable, paying a bit extra for better service/reliability is fine. Not like I've been able to find anything locally or on ebay at a reasonable price.

Email is in the field.

>>1184984
I'll send you an email sometime soon. I paid $150 for my 2530, but again, it was perfect, and the guy knows his stuff. He also offered me a pair of 20M2DUs for $100 a pop just to let you know about the prices.

How far away from you from Pittsburgh? I may be driving there right before Christmas and if by some magical way he had the TV you wanted for a price you'd pay I'd drive it out to you (if it would fit in my car).

>>1184997
>How far away from you from Pittsburgh?
I live on the south end of town, within 5 minutes drive of downtown. If I do end up buying something off of him, that'd be wonderful.

His prices don't sound too terrible; $100 is approximately how much they were originally asking for mine.

Anyway, I'll keep an eye out for your mail.

Is there some kind of informational image or link I can read on recommended CRTs? I'd like to buy one.

Also, how are you all playing your retro games? You all seem to be using the original consoles for them. Can I emulate them and play them on a CRT TV? Or do I have to get a CRT monitor? Supposedly, using a CRT TV as a monitor is a big mistake.
Also, would I need anything additional?

>>1185285

Some video cards have a Composite or S-Video output.

Regarding CRTs,

If I only have one SCART input on my TV, is it possible to still use component video with adapter like this?
I want to play PS1 games on my PS2 in progressive scan, maybe even some PS2 games too. I know that my PS1 doesn't have RGB/component out, but since the PS2 does, would playing the PS1 games on that work?

>>1185281
Oh, I'm hoping some poor overambitious sucker dares venture to make one. High /v/-grade comedy will ensue as it gets ripped to shreds.

>>1185285
>Supposedly, using a CRT TV as a monitor is a big mistake.
I am typing this on an HTPC connected to a CRT HDTV @ 1080i.

>>1185290
Don't use those.

>>1185304
None of what you say will work.

That adaptor is only for weird non-standard TVs that accept YPbPr through SCART. Unless you know your TV can do this, this will be useless.

A PS2 will not play any PS1 game in progressive scan. Only a small amount of PS2 games have 480p options, and a handful of PAL games. There's a list here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_with_HD_support

Also, if your TV doesn't have YPbPr or HDMI inputs I'd highly doubt it supports progressive scan.

Also, your PS1 *does* have RGB out, they all do. The PS1, PS2 and PS3 all use the same "AV Multi Out" connectors and an RGB SCART cable will work the same for all three systems.

>>1184949
>Need to get a SCART cable for one of my Gene- Mega Drives. Where would be a good place to order one?

I got my MD2 SCART cable from here: www.consolegoods.co.uk
Only the MD2 has stereo output through the AV connector; with the MD1 you have to do shenanigans with the headphone socket. Of course if you have an early MD1 it might have better audio output.

>>1185281
>>1185303
I think we could at least try and make a list of Sony GVM/PVM/BVM model specs as there are shitloads of variations.

Are there any arcade games people want to see at their native resolutions / refresh rates on a PVM? I can take some pictures of the Radeon rig. Vertical shooting games are great and lag free but there's a bit of a barrel effect due to the one-sided curve.

>>1185304
>>1185321

>That adaptor is only for weird non-standard TVs that accept YPbPr through SCART. Unless you know your TV can do this, this will be useless

Could you explain why that wouldnt work? If that TV's SCART input does indeed accept YPbPr/RGB through SCART wouldnt it work?

As a terrible analogy, wouldnt it be difference between of drinking milk out of or the bottle vs pouring the milk into a beer bong? Same liquid, same ultimate end...just a "longer" route?

>>1185321
The PS2 is softmodded, so I actually can enable progressive output on many games using GS mode selector.
Also, from manual.
>• 1 Scart
>To connect video recorders, but also games and computers. The scart is fully wired and so is RGB compatible

I don't see why it WOULDN'T be compatible with RGB/component, it's a part of SCART after all. It would be fucked up to build a television, add only one external connector besides RF and then make it lacking.

I'm off to building my own adapter now, seeing as I can't find one in nearby stores and just can't be bothered to order online for now.

>>1185427
Just look up the wiring diagram for SCART and compare it to RGB. There are a lot of extra connections going on in an SCART, including some power-carrying lines and even some composite video. I think what your quote means is that all the wires you'd need to make it RGB are there within the SCART output. You'd need to adapt it somehow, that's all.

>>1185427
Wait putting that slash between RGB and component confuses me, SCART won't necessarily accept component but if you have an SCART input then it will accept RGB. If you have an SCART output then it will output RGB.

>>1185436
PS2 can output both component YPbPr and RGB. My LCD TV supports both through the three red, green and blue RCA connectors.
Now I'm starting to wonder, would RGB and YPbPr connect differently to SCART?
>>1185431
I'm looking at fully wired SCART cable here I decided to sacrifice, it's going to take a moment all right. But since I'm using external audio, I don't have to build those in. This should make it a matter of building 7 connections, max.

You guys know there are quite a few places that make SCART to RGB cables already right? You can make them yourself, but the sticky eicket usually is getting the sync. See, SCART doesn't have a dedicated sync - SCART TVs pull it out of the composite line using (usually) a chip called the LM1881 "sync seperator". If your display is plain RGB like all arcade monitors and most PVMs you'll have to build one of these chips into your cable and provide it with power.

>>1185523
Can you give us names/links to places that make SCART to RGB cables?

>>1185523
>>1185530
Sorry, I mean RGB Female to Scart Male cable

>>1185427
>The PS2 is softmodded, so I actually can enable progressive output on many games using GS mode selector.
How do you do this? I already have McBoot and HD Loader

>>1185427
>RGB/component
You're confusing matters by saying this. Generally "RGB" and "Component" are mutually exclusive, and "Component" nearly always refers to YPbPr/YCbCr colour difference signals. RGB may be a component system but it's not *the* component system. Your SCART socket accepts RGB, not component.

Anyway that adaptor will not work for RGB. For RGB over SCART, you need R, G, B, composite sync (composite video is usually fine as per >>1185523) *and* you also need 1-3V on pin 16 to tell the TV you're giving it an RGB signal and not composite - generally you can use the +5V from the PS's AV Multi-out with a resistor in series to do this (5V directly could damage your TV or just not make it switch to RGB).

Honestly, just buy a PlayStation RGB SCART lead. They're all over Amazon and eBay. Just watch out that there's a lot of cheap shit out there that uses really thin wires with poor shielding or doesn't have the blanking signal wired properly. Unfortunately the legit Sony cables are crazy expensive now.

>>1185539
>RGB Female
What is this? RCA? BNC?

>>1185523
My PVM-1442QM has no problem with using CVBS for composite sync, but yeah I know they're not all like this

>>1185598
>you also need 1-3V on pin 16 to tell the TV you're giving it an RGB signal
On some TVs it can be enabled manually.

>generally you can use the +5V from the PS's AV Multi-out with a resistor in series to do this
Exactly, there should be a 75 ohm termination resistor on that input. That's why a single resistor in series can be used to form a voltage divider.
The typical value used in many cables is 180 ohms, this should result into 1,4V.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm

>(5V directly could damage your TV or just not make it switch to RGB).
Yes, if the resistor inside the TV isn't rated for an wattage of 0.3W. It also could damage or strain the power circuits of the game console.

>>1185598
I guess "RCA" RGB Component Cables. I have a TV where the only input is Scart and I want to use the rare Gamecube component cables on it.

>>1185639
The only way to mod the Gamecube component cable for RGB is something like this: http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:gamecube_rgb

Basically the RCA cables are not much use to you as you also need a cable for the composite sync signal. You'd be better off chopping it all off and wiring a SCART cable directly to it. Or just get a proper RGB SCART cable that uses the analogue AV out from the GC as progressive scan is no use to you anyway.

>>1185631
>On some TVs it can be enabled manually.
Yes I forgot to mention this, but the majority of TVs don't. With pins 16 and 8 wired correctly your TV will automatically switch to the RGB input when you turn on your console (some sets will also switch on from standby with pin 8).

Hey guys - I have a cocktail cab JAMMA monitor I bought new in 2004 and have barely used in the meanwhile.

Is there any way I can connect it to my classic consoles? Would it even be worth the trouble?

>>1185728
Yes, pretty much everything besides the NES has RGB outputs (although some modification may be required, especially certain US Nintendo systems). You will probably need a sync separator as per >>1185523 There is the "Sync Strike" and some similar devices if you're not up to building a sync separator yourself.

Is it a standard resolution monitor or some sort of multi-sync unit?

What would be the best display for say N64 and Gamecube?

also

>tfw never will be able to afford gamecube composite cables

>>1185775
I think you meant component.

Also, cant you can just play gamecube games with the Wii use component that way?

>>1185780
>Also, cant you can just play gamecube games with the Wii use component that way?
There's a set of images going around showing that the Wii's display of GameCube games via component cables is inferior to that of the actual GameCube's. However, the Wii component cables used are never described, and the photos are blurry and were likely taken without a tripod.

>>1185780
Gamecube's Component results are nicer and sharper than Wii's Presentation of Gamecube game. Also a Wii U + Gamecube combo is better than having a Wii U + Wii.

>>1186095
>Also a Wii U + Gamecube combo is better than having a Wii U + Wii.
I've never thought of that before, but it makes sense. Less sensor bar hassle, less controller hassle.

>>1184901
>dat smug look on his face

>>1186095
>Gamecube's Component results are nicer and sharper than Wii's Presentation of Gamecube game.
This is just your imagination though. Wiis ARE Gamecubes, the only difference is the controller. That's why the Wii emulator is just the same emulator as the Gamecube one.

>>1186180
That's oversimplifying it. Even different revisions of the exact same console, like the Genesis, have been proven to have different video output quality.

>>1185675
Been fumbling around trying to see if I could find a proper daisy chain to get my GamecubeComponent through my PVM 2530's DB25 RGB input.

Let me know if this would likely or not likely work.

PVM 2530 w/ DB25 RGB Male port< DB25 Female to DB9 Female adapter< Male DB9 to Female HD15< Male HD15 to RCA (RGB) Female< Male Gamecube Component Cables

Yes this is crazy, but I am a crazy person.

WILL IT WORK GODDAMN IT!?

>>1186279
Assuming that these are all adapters that you already have, why not just try it out to see if it will work?

If these are all things you'd be ordering, it'd probably be easier just to make your own cable to go from RCA to DB25.

>>1186293
I don't own any of these adapters, just doing some adapter window shopping. I have no idea how to make a cable to go from RCA to DB25 (or any type of cable for that matter).

If I could find a DB25 to RCA (RGB) cable or if there was a competent and easy to figure out custom wire/cable shop, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

>>1186279
forget about that.

throw in a db9-ps/2 and a ps/2-usb, then you can just connect your gamecube to your computer and play it in a window on your monitor, record your gamepleay, use the cube's drive to access mini-CDROMs on your computer, etc.

>>1186317
or add a usb-ac power charger to the end of that, and you can feed gamecube video throughout your house over the power lines

you just need to go in reverse on the other end into your tvs in the other rooms

>>1186319
or if you're more interested in wireless, use a usb gender changer and plug in a wifi adapter, so you can broadcast your gamecube video to your ds, psp, and other devices in your neighborhood

or forget about that, plug in a mouse, and the mouse will move when you move your controller

>>1186279
It will not. The HD15 to 3xRCA is for certain projectors and other devices that also accept YPbPr video through the VGA HD15 input. Your PVM-2530 does not accept YPbPr.

You'll need to mod it for RGB as per the link I showed before, or put a YPbPr->RGBS transcoder in the mix.

3xRCA cables coloured red, green and blue are for YPbPr or YCbCr, not RGB. For RGB you usually need four (RGBS) or five (RGBHV) cables.

Also, God knows what DB25->DB9 adaptor you're looking at, it's probably for serial cables or something totally irrelevant. These DB25 connectors are specific to certain (US spec?) Sony monitors, and you need to look up the pinout like here: http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=av:pvm2030_cmptr.jpg

Or just something like this:
http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter.html

And as I said before get a SCART cable to wire up to your GC component cable (after making the required mods). I guess you're in the US so your GC won't output analogue RGB natively anyway.

tl;dr everything you're suggesting is wrong

>>1186339
Hah, thanks. I bought the Sony PVM Scart converter yesterday, but of course US Gamecubes dont do scart.

I'm just going to give up and try to be content with Gamecube via S-video on my PVM.

The dream is dead. Thanks for setting me straight guys.

>>1186368
Well modifying the IC in the component cable is still an option for you.

>>1186386
I wouldnt do it myself because I am by no means any kind of tinkerer to be able to do it.

I guess its what I get for buying one of the few PVMs w/o rgb bncs...stupid me.

>>1186427
You'd have the exact same problem if it had BNC RGB inputs - you'll still need to modify the IC in the component cable to make it output RGB instead of YPbPr.

Only certain model PVMs have YPbPr inputs.

Can anyone tell me if the last generation CRT's that were really thin are any good?

I can get a Sanyo like this for free, it has S-video and YUV.

>>1186704
It almost looks like a LCD.

>>1186704
if it's free just pick it up and try it out. If it supports YUV, hook a softmodded Wii up to that bitch stat

>>1186704
They generally have awful convergence/geometry in the corners so I would avoid.

>>1186449
That makes me feel better. A buddy of mine just suggested this.

http://www.js-technology.com/store/product.php?id_product=16

It seems similar to the build of the Scart to Component adapter that has worked for me in the past

Just brought this bad boy down stairs and put it where my Samsung CRT HD TV was.

I can't believe the difference it makes. The Sylvania only had a S video output, but games look a lot better. Resident Evil Remake looks fucking BEAUTIFUL.

BTW, I have never heard of Sylvania.. I picked it up on a whim at a yard sale. Was only 5 dollars so I thought, what the heck.

>>1187183
I've never heard of Sylvania TVs...I know they make light bulbs

>>1187183
>>1187192
>Sylvania.
Olllllllld American electronics brand that was acquired and revived by a bigger company (in this case, Phillips) for use on electronics sold through value channels like department stores and discount stores. I believe the division that made light bulbs and other non-CE goods is not related any more.

This TV was probably made in the same Chinese factory that assembled small CRTs for Philips before they stopped selling them. BTW, I own a Philips 20" CRT SDTV with S-video and component inputs from ~2003-4, and I really like it.

>>1183261
>PS3 on the floor

>>1187183
That looks like an exact identical clone of my Emerson.

>>1187230
>Emerson
>>1187183
>Sylvania

Probably both brands of Thomson Consumer Electronics, which owns the guts of many old American manufacturers. They're all made by one place in China.

>>1187201
>>1187235
I'm pretty sure they all use Chunghwa tubes.

Sony was trusted for years because even their low-end models were still Trinitron tubes, patented and manufactured exclusively by them. Same thing with Pioneer and their plasma displays.

>>1186704


>>1186763
This.

The very high deflection angles make it difficult to maintain good geometry/convergence/purity in the corners of the screen.

It would be interesting to see one of these tubes made today, with some sort of computer feedback controlling the deflection circuitry. We've got close to 10 years of microcontroller advancement on them.

>>1187235
>Thomson
I think they pulled out of the biz long before Philips did. They didn't buy up other brands, in fact they licensed RCA, ProScan, GE, etc. out to to other manufacturers.

>>1187192
>>1187201

Thanks for the info. It sounds like a pretty good TV. I really can't complain about anything because it looks great. After all. I paid 5 dollars.

>>1187230
>>1187235

Interesting. I assume you guys are right.

As a side note.. I'm really impressed with your TV knowledge

>>1187192
>>1187201

Thanks for the info. It sounds like a pretty good TV. I really can't complain about anything because it looks great. After all. I paid 5 dollars.

>>1187230
>>1187235

Interesting. I assume you guys are right.

As a side note.. I'm really impressed with your TV knowledge.

>>1187208

Nope, it's on some plastic flower pots.

>>1187250
>After all. I paid 5 dollars.
5- or 10-dollar TVs are the best.

>anything goes wrong
>chuck it in the garbage and buy another

I do all my shopping at Goodwill

>>1187240
>Chunghwa

https://oag.ca.gov/consumers/crt_notice

Great, we get nothing for paying too much for our TV back in the day. The settlement money is going to "charities" and...surprise, surprise...the government.

>>1187254
>chuck it in the garbage
Don't ever do that, lead leakage is bad. Let some recycler pick it up from your house to make money off the salvaged materials (or even better, possibly fix it up for resale).

>>1187264
Everybody was fixing TV prices in the lead-up to digital TV deployment. The LCD manufacturers were doing it too, which is why LCD prices dropped like a rock in 2007-2008.

>>1187264
>Don't ever do that, lead leakage is bad. Let some recycler pick it up from your house to make money off the salvaged materials (or even better, possibly fix it up for resale).
Oh, I wouldn't literally throw it away, but I would put it up for free on Craigslist or something. Mostly because I can't lift a fucking 30" Trinitron by myself.

>>1187171
Yeah something like that should work too. You might want to make sure it does not introduce any input lag, but seeing as it claims to use "discrete components" and such colour space conversion is quite a simple thing to do, it probably won't.

>>1187465
thanks friend!

My apologies to the thread but here is to people looking into monitors...make sure you are comfortable with the inputs before buying for EVERYTHING you plan to do with it.

Hey /vr/, I'm going to a place with a bunch of CRTs, and I was think of bringing in a console to see how well it looks. What console would be the best to test it?

>>1188475

Dreamcast, 240p test disc.

>>1188513
Okay, will do. Thanks!

>tfw trying to find a PVM out the wild

I have been struggling to find one at any of the thrift stores in my area that still carry them in my area. I never see anything on craigslist either. I even live in a major midwestern city and I still have no luck. Any tips? I just got my hands on a High Definition Graphics Genesis and want to do proper RGB for it.

>>1189159
PVMs were pro monitors for pros, it's unlikely you'll see them thrift stores.

If you can't find anything on eBay or Craigslist you may have to try and find a local business that specialises in used broadcasting, professional, medical or industrial video equipment. Don't expect to get anything particularly cheap off businesses like these, but they are more likely to be professionally tested and calibrated.

Is this the king of 14" monitors?
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/200981912036

Certainly not cheap!

Hey /vr/ i'm hesitating between 2 CRT.
First one is a MX-6000 (B&O - 28'') that has been used quite a lot, but picture is still great. Second is an usual CRT by Philips (21PT5322, 21'') that was almost never used.
The geometry is a bit off on top for the Philips but nothing big. Also the screen shakes when the picture switch from dark colors to bright.

Which one should I choose?
High end but used or average but very good condition?

>>1189505

What are the inputs? If there's something you have look for is the way you feed 'em with a video signal.

>>1189505
...or yet a retro one manufactured around 1989 that was not much used (but I have no idea of the picture quality).

>>1189507
2 RGB SCART in on all 3.

The Philips can output on the second scart if I want the signal to return to a VCR player or chain 2 CRT.

>>1189512

Then if the High end doesn't have any problem, go for this one and don't take the Phillips (you said it haven't been really used, but it already had some problems,so it's not a TV you should trust).
As CRTs are becoming older and older, it's not a good thing to leave a Good TV in favor of a cheaper one that might die sooner anyway

>>1189505
>the screen shakes when the picture switch from dark colors to bright.
That doesn't sound good, could be a power issue or something else. Even if it was rarely used it's still old and caps may have dried out, etc.

I believe the B&O used a 28" Philips BlackLine S CRT which would have been top-of-the-range stuff, and I'm sure it was high quality components everywhere else, and it probably has great audio too. If you have the space for it I'd say go for that. Plus it looks awesome.

>>1189518
Ok I tried to record a quick video of the problem. You can see the subtitles shaking and the end of the picture moving up or down depending the brightness. It's hard to see on the video but it can be clearly seen at 0:13, 0:24, 0:30, 0:47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBUuuJHvqwc

>>1189573

It's easier to see it when the video is in fullscreen. Anyway, don't consider taking the phillips anymore, with all the things you said, the MX-6000 is a better choice.

Also...

>Evangelion

At least it's not one of these shitty "rebuild 2.0 : you are (not) deep enough".

>>1189573
Can't really see anything obviously wrong, but it's hard to tell with the handheld camera and all the crazy shit going on the screen (I forgot how seizure-inducing those late episodes were).
It's typical for the picture to grow and shrink a bit when changing between bright and dark pictures on CRT TVs, especially cheaper sets.

>>1189626
It's typical for cheaper set? Maybe I'm too used to high end set without this problem. I'll go for the 6000 then.

>>1189638

Good choice. Never trust a cheaper model that isn't a trinitron (the reasons were mentioned earlier in this thread).

>>1181352
>going to /v/ for ANY reason

Bumping.

Most of my monitors/screens are CRTs. The only ones that aren't are on my laptops.The models I own are:
- a Samsung Syncmaster 955b, a pretty good one, with a resolution up to 1920*1440, and a max refresh rate of 180Hz@640*480.

- a Commodore C= 1085-S for my Amiga 500. The image quality is good too.

- a Sony Trinitron KV-14M1B, it's your every day low end trinitron model made in spain, with 1 RGB SCART input, 1 composite RCA jack and 1 RF input.

- an HP UltraVGA 1280, a monitor that suffer of an heavy usage since 1998, so we can see the colors bleed at 60Hz. Also, as the name tell us, the highest resolution I can have with this is 1280*1024.

I'd love to get a CGA monitor one of these days (I have an XT-class laptop with a CGA chipset, but no color monitor, so i'm stuck with a monochrome LCD panel) and a PVM. It would be easier to get a PVM though.

I hope someone here can resolve my issue. Long story short i scratched my CRTs bezel in the process of moving. It looks rather nasty. Is there anyway to fix/fill in/buff/ whatever away the scratched area?

I've scoured every thrift store, parking lot and craiglist ad in my area and there are no good < 20" CRTs anywhere remotely close to me.

Does anybody have a guide for browsing eBay for a good CRT or PVM when you can't test it in person?

>>1192193
>I'd love to get a CGA monitor one of these days ... and a PVM

Some PVMs with RGB inputs up until the mid '90s also have a "Digital RGB" TTL input which should be good for CGA.

US models: PVM-1341, PVM-1342Q
230V models: PVM-1442QM

I believe there are 19/20" equivalents of these too but don't know specific models.

I have a PVM-1442QM but nothing to test the Digital RGB input with.

>>1181352
>CRTs are useless old tech

Not trying to start something, but isn't that sorta true? I hooked up my PS3 to my 2003 Trinitron and played GTA5 on it, and it looks godly. Only complaints I have is about the text, which is so damn tiny.

I wonder, aren't most CRTs designed to run at 480p maximum? It might defeat the purpose, but I think a picture options menu a la PC in certain games would be cool. Don't need to chew up precious CPU time to render the game in 720 if your TV can only do 480.

So /vr/, I'm debating whether to buy a PVM 14L5 from Ebay or just use an eView 17f3 monitor I have lying around and do 240p120 (somehow, stil haven't figured out how to enable this on my Radeon Xpress 200, any help would be apreciated) with black frame insertion.

The thing is though, I want to get into X programming to develop my own multi-emulator front end that will display the artworks for games at resolutions higher than 240p or 480i. Since the eView is a 31 khz monitor, I'd be able use a utility to switch resolutions between 240p for in-game and whatever resolution higher than than 240p and 480i the front end would be.

I really want to centralize all the 2d, 240p games I've ever played into one system and develop my own front end to choose from them graphically. Are the thicker scanlines and coarser dot pitch of the PVM worth it to shell out ~$50 for the PVM and display their artworks at something like 160p on a 14" screen (if I'm actually able to develop the frontend, that is)?

>>1192413
CRT picture quality is great, bro. But only CRT monitors were designed for high-res. Its just that one man can easily lift a 40" Plasma, whereas moving a 40" CRT is literally a life threatening enterprise. It isn't an inferior technology, just a less "convenient" one.

SDTV resolution is 480i, by the way.

>>1192389
What is your standard for good? My suggestion is to Craigslist harder, they are out there in some rich person's storage unit. Besides, ebay will rape you on shipping.

Hey guys, how does this auction look? This thing looks next to new.
http://www.ebay.com/itm//171119748396

>>1167818
I have a Dell Trinitron monitor that I've used for my PC since 2001 or so, and it looks great when emulating games. I got a huge LCD TV the last year, and while modern stuff is fine on it at native resolution, 2D emulated titles just aren't the same.

I want to get a new CRT, but I want to be able to use light guns on it. My current CRT can't do that (At least I don't think it can) because the only inputs in it are two VGA ports. Is there a CRT monitor that provides an extra sharp image for PC use while being bigger than 30" or so inches? TVs are fine so long as their usable with PCs (Like, I need to be able to read small text on them, most large CRT TVs aren't able to keep the sharpness to a readable amount.).

tl;dr I'm looking for a CRT that:
>Can be used with a PC and maintain great clarity for general use
>Can be used with light guns and supports retro consoles
>Is larger than 30" or so.

Any suggestions? Does a computer monitor in that size even exist?

>>1192784
For $100 you can do way, way better than a TV with just RF and composite, even if it is a Trinitron.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PVM20L1-MONITOR-600-LINES-/170985687058?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cf8a8812

Is it worth plonking down $400 for a brand new 20" PVM? If I'm going to be spending near $100 for a used one anyway, it sounds like it might be worth the cost for something to have permanently.

What say you, /vr/?

>>1192413

Why do people forget that CRT SDTVs aren't the only CRTs out there? CRT computer monitors have been capable of higher than 480p resolutions since the mid-1990s. Some of the most recent ones could do upwards of 1200p to 1440p

>>1192969
The 20L1 does not do RGB -- only composite and S-Video.

>>1192784
overpriced as heck, because it's being sold as a kitschy retro blue design piece instead of as an underwhelming, featureless display device.

>>1192994
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-14N6U-Trinitron-Color-Monitor-14-120VAC-1A-80W-/400589901768

What about this one? It accepts RGB.

>>1193079
RGB, but not component. You'd have to convert everything from SCART as opposed to the units that accept both RGB and YPbPr where you can just convert the RCA cables from systems that output component like the Wii and PS2 to BNC with converters from Amazon for like five bucks. It's a nice deal if you're willing to go through the effort but something like a 14M2U or a 20M2U would be the most ideal.

a Sony KD-34XBR960 just appeared on craigslist in my area. Is this worth $175?

I'm thinking of getting it to replace both my Samsung LCD and Toshiba CRT. That way I can have retro vidya and recent vidya in one place

>>1193134
That's not going to replace a CRT SDTV for retro.

>>1193134
As an HDCRT, it won't play well with 240p sources.

Fine if you just want something for 6thGen+

.

>>1193145
>>1193148
oh ok. I mainly play 6th gen games but I guess I'll stick with what I have

>>1193092
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PVM-14M2U-HIGH-RESOLUTION-14-PROFESSIONAL-COLOR-MONITOR-/200984441540?

Like this? How's this look?

>>1193164
It's actually an excellent deal for one of the most highly desirable CRT HDTVs ever.

Anyone have any info about my PVM?

It's a 14L2. It's suppoed to have "over 600 lines of resolution", but it obviously can't do normal 480p over component, due to sync issues.

How do I get access to these higher resolutions?

It would be nice if I could force my NTSC Wii to output 576i/60Hz...

>>1192591
>>1192990

Even though the only TVs my family has ever owned were all CRTs, I don't understand any of the tech behind them. I know that their sheer size and weight renders them "inconvenient", but surely there are some pros to them, maybe they are indeed better than the newer TVs out there.

>>1192784

I saw one of those at Goodwill the other day!

If I had the space, I probably would have bought it.

>>1193164

Buy that fucker, if you have the space. Wii would look godly on it.

>>1193189
600 "TV lines"

>>1193223

I assumes that means it can support resolutions with 600 vertical lines though?

>>1193238
>vertical

I meant horizontal.

>>1193238
>>1193242
TV lines are vertical (horizontal resolution).

It still means better sharpness and motion quality, but it doesn't imply anything about processing or supporting higher resolution signals.

>>1192784

Cost too much for a low range model. Don't buy.

>>1173350
>Because CRTs are cool.

I can get this Commordore 1084 monitor for $50 and was wondering if it would be any good?

It has SCART.

>>1193486

Commodore Monitors are pretty good. The 1084 can accept TTL RGB too, composite, and the Y/V output of the C=64 too if I recall.

>>1193513
>>1193486

Here are some info for this monitor:
http://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/Commodore_1084

>>1193513
depends on the model

>>1193531

Yup, I just saw that only the 1084S model have all these ports, not the regular 1084.

>>1193513
cool, so would $50 be too much?

I would love to get a PVM but I havent been able to find any that would ship for under $200

>>1181352
What is this CRT? It looks wonderful.

>>1193829

I got my 1085S for 10 bucks, but I'm a Yuropoor and the Amiga wasn't as popular in the US, so i couldn't say. Also, unless it's a 1084S, it doesn't have all of these inputs. If you want to see all the differences between Amiga monitors, here's a page for you: http://gona.mactar.hu/Commodore/monitor/Commodore_monitors_by_model_number.html

Having trouble finding CRT's in my area with AV ports.

Also the ones I found with AV ports didn't have a port for the red cable, only yellow and white.

>>1194119
Where do you live?
I'm having an hard time to believe you're having trouble for that.
But if you love in Europe, there are many TV that do not have AV ports but rather 2-3 SCART which you can use to input composite signal

>>1194160
I'm in the U.S.

I could use craigslist, just trying to check the places around town where I live. But I just started my search recently.

I love my Sanyo DS27930