/vr/ - Retro Games

Virtual boy

CDi and 3DO both did decent for the niche and eras they occupied.
Jaguar had hardware potential, but failed to live up to most of it.

Pippin, i have no clue what the point of it was. It was a failed entry into the industry from Apple, it didn't do nearly as well as a "multimedia machine" like CDi. It doesn't even live up to Virtual Boy which had a small, but fun library. What games does Pippin even have? Im personally only aware of Marathon and some racing game. Was it more popular in Japan? Even the Nuon has a more memorable library.

>>10149363
lol I just watched the computer chronicles episode on the pippin

>>10149363
3DO is an order of magnitude better than the other three. It sold 2 million while the rest only sold tens of thousands.

I consider the CD-i to be less of a failure than the Jaguar because it came out three years earlier and wasn't just a game console. It was a trailblazer of the 90s multimedia trend and highly advanced for a 4th gen system.

Jaguar was the nail in the coffin of Atari. It was mogged on release by the 3DO, then squished between 32X and Saturn, then the PSX dropped and everything before it was mightily swept away.

Pippin was such an abysmal failure that apple worked hard to erase its memory. Very few know of its existence. I have only seen one for sale in ten years of searching craigslist.

>>10149368
Virtual Boy succeeded at what it was trying to do; innovative little side venture, not a mainline console.

>>10149368
fpbp

>>10149426
CDi sold like 1 million, because it could do multimedia stuff too.

>>10149426
>Virtual Boy succeeded at what it was trying to do; innovative little side venture, not a mainline console
So successful they put Gunpei into a corner office then had a hissy fit when he jumped ship and was being creative again with the Wonderswan that they had him killed.

>>10149363
CDI, it had Zelda and it sucked

CDI. It sold more then the Jag and the Pippin but it’s 7 year life cycle was an elongated desisted all around. Phillips desperately wanted it to succeed at something and only after it lost a billion dollars did they finally give up

>>10149363
Ask your parents?

>>10149363

>>10149363
Jaguar. Far and away the Jaguar.
Atari had everything to lose.
The others were entrepreneurial experiments. Atari was already a household name.
The Jaguar was the chance to right the ship and get back in the game and they did almost everything wrong with it.

>>10150241
That's just the portable version of the FM Towns. For what it was it did alright.
FM Towns is pretty underrated.
I bet if the Marty had a cooler name it would have a better reputation in the west.

>>10149426
>Pippin was such an abysmal failure that apple worked hard to erase its memory. Very few know of its existence. I have only seen one for sale in ten years of searching craigslist.

The Pippin was launched in 1994 and cancelled in late 1997. It was one of the projects axed by Steve Jobs when he returned to apple in 1997. Steve Jobs wasn't with Apple between 1987 and 1997. Look at Apples 1998 product line-up compared to their 1997 product line up and note at how much smaller 1998 is. Jobs killed any product that he considered to be bloat.

I feel like Apple could just release an iOS based gaming platform and just direct a lot of their mobile games to it. Console could be the size of a Mac Mini.

>>10149363
Pippin was the worst. even Jaguar and 32X are better.

>>10149363
In hindsight the NES. Robbed a a generation in the US and Japan of the ability to code at a young age

>>10150635
Jobs also knew fuck all about tech and was largely a coke head for most of is career. If you are goingt o mention apple save yourself some time and just talk about Wozniak because Jobs was a a narcissistic waste of space who shat on anyone who bailed him out and spent his entire existence taking credit for others work

>>10150656
Not everyone learns to code at childhood though.
Also, you are full of shit in the sense that NES games don't require coding skills.
Go on ahead and play pirated whatever on your ZX81, ZX Spectrum, or BBC Mirco.

>>10150661
>Jobs was highly narcisisstic person
True.
>Steve Jobs was an actual coke head
What?

>>10150667
way to miss his point entirely retard

>>10150661
>Jobs also knew fuck all about tech

He was in charge of next Step and worked directly with the engineers and even designed the motherboard layouts. Steve Jobs never claimed to be a programmer, hence why he was always pushing visual programming and making slams at Microsoft for still using DOS at presentations. I think that he knew something about hardware. But not in the same class as the engineers he hired.

>>10150661
>and was largely a coke head for most of is career.

Well, that's why Apple hired the former head of Pepsi to replace him.

>>10150661
>Jobs was a a narcissistic waste of space who shat on anyone who bailed him out and spent his entire existence taking credit for others work

He also turned a lot of profit for Apple.

>>10149363
EyeToy, PS Move, Kinect. Probably Wii U for Nintendo. I could hardly call any of these embarrassing when three of them are from companies with zero experience with gaming and the other one was just Atari's last hurrah. When a reputable company like Nintendo or Sony makes something bad (and keeps doing it over and over again), that's embarrassing.

>>10150293
I really want to play it someday, I feel like it would easily end up in my Top 5. Early CD consoles are my fav, part of why I like 3DO as well

>>10149397
>Pippin
For some reason I thought it was a Japan-only thing.

>>10150687
not retro

>>10149363
Jaguar.

Atari was a laughing stock at this point, and their lame attempt to get back into the video game market was pure insanity. Everyone was hyped about the N64, Playstation and Saturn. Nobody was going to buy this with those on the horizon in the next year or two that would be much more powerful. It has no games, it had a shittier controller than the SNES. Nothing about it was good or well thought out. It had no good games or must haves. It then had horrible marketing that even jaded console war kids could see through the BS.

>>10150285
i agree with this anon. jaguar had the better chances to succeed but atari fucked it up (again).

>>10149363
It was mildy successful in the UK, but couldn't release it in america due to a patent lawsuit, eventually they went bankrupt.

>>10149363
I'd remove the Pippin by virtue of it being too obscure to be embarrassing. The Jaguar ended Atari as a company so that's probably the winner.

>>10150687
3DO was founded by Trip Hawkins. That's the opposite of zero experience.

>>10151056
Who the fuck is that lol is that the guy with the Microsoft sam wheelchair

>>10151061
Trip Hawkins is the founder of EA.

>>10150661
>Jobs also knew fuck all about tech and was largely a coke head for most of is career.

It has been known that Jobs did some drugs. Most notably LSD. I don't know that much about Jobs personal life, it wouldn't surprise me if he did coke. Especially not in that 1980's business climate. Cocaine dominated the 1980's.

>>10149363
Pippin and CDi strike me as results of corporate apes throwing money at a new category to see if it sticks, and the suits never gave much of a shit either way, hardly embarrassing.
3DO tried something new and failed because their core plan backfired and they priced themselves into a corner and out of recognition. Despite that, it has some decent games, and the game it came with was pretty cool for 1994.
Jaguar was truly embarrassing, both as a final page to a series of Atari failures and as a bizarre conglomeration of questionable ideas itself. Hasbro declaring it an open console was the equivalent of laying a tortured soul to rest, symbolically freeing it from the corporate insanity that doomed it.

Wasn't the Jaguar literally made, designed and tested by a team of less than 10 people?

>>10149363
I don't think the pippin was advertised much or even produced in large quantities.

>>10149363
Pippin, solely because no one ever knew where its capabilities lay. Was it more powerful than a PS1? Did even compete with a 3DO? No one knows. It also sold less than 50k units.

>>10149363
What's the point of these idiotic "le company history" threads?

This isn't retro video games. It's just meaningless plastic slapfight crap.

>>10151510
>This isn't retro video games. It's just meaningless plastic slapfight crap.
Between who, the 3d0 fanboys and the hardcore pippin fans? Yeah I hope this doesn't start a flamewar! lmao retard

>>10149363
3DO >> CD-i >>> Jaguar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pippin

>>10151052
It could've been much more, if it shipped with Fast RAM and didn't rely on outdated hardware.

>>10149363
I wanna say the Saturn since the Genesis was so goddamn good.

>>10150656
Americans had Commodore 64s and Apple IIs you fucking pillock, the kids who wanted to code did. Where the fuck do you think guys like Carmack, Romero, Sweeney, and all those others got their start?

>>10150678
Have you played British bedroom coder games? They're virtually all insignificant trash, only a fraction of those people had actual talent for programming, and they weren't going to restrain themselves with shitty low cost micro computers. The NES didn't inhibit anything in this sense, and you're as braindead as the other faggot.

>>10150285
Atari had already been fucking up for a very long time by that point, it's not exactly surprising.

>>10150656
Hello Auster

>>10149363
The Sega Shiturn.

>library consists of 99% embarrassingly cringe weebshit shovelware
>clusterfuck hardware that was a nightmare to develop on and sunk Sega in manufacturing expenses and ran 3D games like dogshit
>scraps Sonic in favor of a faggot flying clown to be the system's mascot
>no backwards compatibility with the superior Genesis despite having a cartridge slot

Its failure was ultimately responsible for Sega's demise. Fuck the Shiturn, the shittiest console OF ALL TIME.

>>10149363
I would say the Atari Jaguar. By that point Atari's name had been ruthlessly dragged through the mud but they had one last shot to shoot themselves back into relevancy. And the best they could do was that """""64-bit""""" disaster. I mean look at that controller. The Atari name attached to it made its failure sting harder than the 3DO or CDi or Pippin, all from primarily non-game companies. Soon after this, Sony proved a hardware company can successfully make it in gaming, off the backs of prior failed attempts. Atari were an established name for nearly two decades and they sank like a stone.

>>10150667
Shut up britfag.

Is the 3DO and Jaguar considered 4th Gen, early 5th Gen, or 4.5 Gen? I figure the Pippin and CD-i are in the same boat to a degree.

>>10151179
>Cocaine dominated the 1980's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs0osMzTZQA

>>10150635
>Jobs killed any product that he considered to be bloat.
Say what you want about that egotistical asshole, but that was clearly the right choice and he had the right vision in mind for what was going to make apple stand out.

>>10150661
Woz was the engineer, Jobs was the hustler. They really did need one another to have success. Look at Woz now. What has he doing since leaving Apple?

>>10151856
no, we've all agreed on this.
Sega of America is what made Sega fail. Kalinske was too obsessed with extending the life of the Genesis too allow for the Saturn to make its way into the US market.
His thought was that if there already were enough Genesis consoles in homes, you might as well just keep selling addons which would be cheaper than a new system.

>no backwards compatibility with the superior Genesis despite having a cartridge slot
That would have been incredibly neat and probably would have helped sell the Saturn in the USA but at the time the very concept of backwards compatibility in consoles was not even a thing.

>>10152090
>but at the time the very concept of backwards compatibility in consoles was not even a thing.
Starting from mark 2, every sega console had backwards compatibility.

>>10151856
I know this is bait but i will bit it anyway.
>scraps Sonic in favor of a faggot flying clown to be the system's mascot
Sonic team had been involved in 4 (technically 5) Sonic games by that point, their break from Sonic was well earned.
If sega really wanted a good 3d Sonic game then they should've let Traveller's tale handle it rather than a spin off.
>no backwards compatibility with the superior Genesis despite having a cartridge slot
For that to be done, the Saturn would either need to be weaker or more exoensive.

>>10151856
Somehow it manages to be less interesting than the 3DO despite having way more games. Dreamcast has maybe half the amount of Saturn's games and still manages to be better in pretty much every area. It's not bad but they could've done better, especially for 1995. I still think pic related is a better machine, partially since that cartridge slot can actually play Genesis games

>>10152090
Genesis had Power Base Converter for SMS games, SNES had Super Game Boy which was slightly different but still allowed you to play games from the previous gen like Donkey Kong and DuckTales

I still think it is very bizarre that there is a small minority of Saturn fans that hate Tom and Bernie. I realize most of them are not like this but it's just a very strange opinion to have for a company that you allegedly like lol

>>10149363
>>10149368
The atari jaguar and virtual boy are the only 2 consoles I have been made fun of for collecting for, normies have a totally wrong perception of them.
The others they would have no clue if I mentioned the names of those.

>>10151892
Show some friends the jaguar. 2 things they laugh at are is its made by Atari and the 64 bit lettering on it. Show them tempest and they say its looks awful.

>>10151261
Its just throwing pc hardware in a box like the xbox. Its just the mac was terrible for playing games and they actually discouraged games from appearing on mac.

>>10149363
Do you even have to ask?

Look at the Jaguar controller.

Look at it!

Pippin>Jag=CDI>3DO

CD-I is not really a game console, just sort of accidentally became one
Pippin is a complete and utter failure with about no redeeming value besides games you already have on Mac
3DO has a couple good points, but had no chance as it was released too early and was fucking expensive
Jaguar is okay hardware with like a handful of good games, but Atari is full of absolute retards who can't do anything right

>>10149363
whats that boomerang? is that some Australian attempt to break into the console market?

>>10150656
>Japan
cough

>>10150285
Came here to say this. It was their last chance to redeem themselves and they massively fucked it up

>>10150661
Absolutely correct, but he was however a brilliant marketer

3DO has some genuinely good games on it. I can see myself purchasing a 3DO console and games.
The Jaguar has some great games that I'd like to play, though most of them are now available on other platforms. I won't be buying a Jag unless I find one absurdly cheap, but I'd definitely wanna play it if I visited someone who does own one.
CD-i is worthless to me personally with very few interesting titles. But the history and development of it is fascinating. I'd buy a book on the mess behind the CD-i.
I wouldn't accept a Pippin for free.

>>10151901
I'm not a Britfag, retard aswipe.

>trannyjanny got butthurt and pruned the based Bernie truthpost

Sad!

>>10149363
Pippin, and it's not even close. The others have some good qualities to them and achieved at least some success and are remembered fondly by a lot of people. No one cares about the Pippin, and no one ever did.

>>10149363
>3 of the 4 consoles have three button controllers
Maybe copying the Genesis in that regards wasn't good. I'm going with CDi. Its legendary bad due to their association with Nintendo. If it weren't for that they'd be probably unknown today.

Oh xbox's Japan release was more embarrassing than anything there. They had everything needed to win the Japanese public's trust and fumbled over and over and over again.

I'd heard of the Pippin before, but I only learned recently that it was an actual retail product. I had assumed it was a cancelled project.

>>10155821
It might as well have been.

>>10149363
Pippin for sure, the others range from meme status to cult following. The Pippin is nothing but a name on a list of failed consoles, no one has ever seen one or knows anything about it. Although I think it was marginally more supported in Japan.

>>10149363
CDi on account of launching the earliest as a primary home media device only for Phillips to back track and relaunch it later at as a dedicated gaming system when it clearly wasn't.

3DO at least has a few dozen interesting games, but the licensing model was a gamble that didn't pay off. Jaguar could've been good if not for the Tramiel's retardation, the gamepad, and the CPU bug. Pipen is an anomaly that just represented Apple at their nadir.

>>10149363
*mogs all of those in failure*

>>10150656
Nah. Plenty of kids who didn't have nintendos never learned to code. Many of those took classes in school that introduced them to it, but they never learned to do much more than print their name. Maybe you had to have been there to understand.

>>10154964
tell me you can't code without telling me

>>10156535
boomer alert

>>10156556

The early to mid 90's was a crazy time for game consoles. Even reading this old magazine article on the Pippin, it mentions the Panasonic M2 that was cancelled, and the Ultra 64. There were so many attempts at consoles during the 5th console gen.

>>10151856
Based & stolarpilled.

Shiturncel jannies absolutely SEETHING.

>10156535
Tell me ya didn't read without telling me.

>>10156380
I'd rather try it first before declaring that, I wasn't sure what to expect from 3DO but ended up really enjoying it, even though PC-FX doesn't have many games there are a few cool looking ones, some even have translations now

>>10156535
>BASIC wasn’t an entryway for British hobby coders
tell me you’re clueless without telling me

>>10156556
This reads like an alternate timeline

>>10156556
>Mentioning games that MIGHT come to the Pippin

Oh boy. They really didn't know what they were doing.

>>10157035
>Oh boy. They really didn't know what they were doing.
It's a great time capsule. But it was an early preview based on whatever information the magazine could get on the hardware. The most interesting thing to me is image related, which looks like a controller for the Pippin. Was this ever released with the console? It has a super Nintendo button layout with a full keyboard and a pen tablet touch screen.

>>10157047

Looking at the game Racing Days...
https://youtu.be/_Qc0aPsUFk4?t=189

While the Pippin has a PowerPC 603 clocked at 66MHz, it clearly doesn't have anything in the way of 3D hardware acceleration. making games look rather choppy. Apple didn't start adapting OpenGL to MACOS until like 1999-2000. The machine only has 6-8 MB of RAM but could be expanded to 32MB. But for a 1996-1997 release it doesn;t seem like it could compete with the N64 in many respects, and was outclassed by the 1998 release of the Sega Dreamcast.

>>10156883
>Family BASIC was big with British hobby coders
You're just embarrassing yourself kiddo