/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10099620
No point in waiting for the emulation scene to catch up. There's literally no worthwhile games to play on that turd that don't already have PS1 ports. Those arcade titles that everyone harps are inferior ports, just play the actual arcade roms on FBNeo

>>10099631
>There's literally no worthwhile games to play on that turd that don't already have PS1 ports.
This is cope, but it's an understandable one. Getting into Saturn in 2023 is stupidly expensive and troublesome.

>>10099620
Yaba Sanshiro 2 was working perfectly for years until the most recent update messed it up for me. If you can get an older version of it, it should probably run fine. Sometimes it's the game itself, though.

>>10099631
I wouldn't say there's no worthwhile games but it's true most of the games have modern or better ports elsewhere, including NiGHTS, Guardian Heroes, Radiant Silvergun, Virtua Fighter 2, Daytona, etc. Used to play OutRun and Street Fighter on Saturn all the time until I learned about Cannonball and Super Turbo on 3DO.

Also most of the good shmups are on PS1, namely the Konami shooters, Wolf Fang, and Thunder Force V for the five people who prefer it over IV

>>10099639
So reddit, tell us all about these mahjong and weeb hidden le gems that we are all missing out on? Don't come at with some faggy game like Panzer Dragoon that has a superior PC port. Literally zero reason to play a saturn

>>10099631
Megaman 8 is better on that console
Ported arcade games as well

>>10099656
For got to mention, if you have a PS2 or know how to emulate it, some games like Die Hard Arcade (aka Dynamite Deka), SEGA Rally, and Virtual On have enhanced ports on there as well

>>10099658
As I said, it's cope, but I can understand it.
PD1 is ok, Zwei is the real masterpiece, by the way.
>nooo it's bad! who cares about rail shooters anyway!
As I said, I understand your cope. No need to be angry.

>>10099663
>the redditor named one singular game
Yup, literally no games on the Saturn. Thanks for confirming

>>10099658
Sonic R is better on PC too which is kind of hilarious

>>10099663
Not him, personally had more fun with Burning Soldier, Starblade, and Total Eclipse on 3DO. Have yet to play Gamera 2000 or Star Fox 64 to compare it to them. In terms of Panzer Dragoon, Saga is the one that seems to be heavily sought after, though I haven't played that one yet either (I know it's an RPG and not a rail shooter like the others)

https://mednafen.github.io/
+
https://github.com/AmatCoder/mednaffe

Problem solved.

>>10099675
I didn't need to name any game, I already know you will say it's not good enough or whatever. I only mentioned Zwei because you posted PD1.
>>10099693
Really? You liked Total Eclipse better than something like Panzer Dragoon?
I also had a 3DO (my first CD console, although I already had a PC with CD drive), and I had Total Eclipse, still have it actually. I have fond memories of it, nostalgia, but... it was just an OK game. Can't compare to the kind of stuff japanese developers did.

>>10099656
>Used to play OutRun and Street Fighter on Saturn all the time until I learned about Cannonball and Super Turbo on 3DO
WTF, Saturn has Super Turbo too. What SF did you play?

man saturn gets such a bad rap on this site. to me it was one console that was just a mystery - I don't know anyone who ever had one in my country. Dreamcast was more prevalent (just), which I had, and an N64, from the same console generation. But, Ryo in Shenmue had a saturn, and so did Asuka in Evangelion. So, basically they became cool to me.

I bought one a year ago. It's like Dreamcast to me, where there's actually a lot of the library I don't super care for, but a handful of titles that justify it. Plus I mean who doesn't have a boner for old game tech on vr. Opening the disc tray is fun.

>>10099656
I play OutRun and SF Zero II on mine. Like, mainly. No plans to switch to 3DO here! I don't evcen barely know what that is.

>>10099781
Based, Zero 2 > Super Turbo

>>10099712
this. 2D games play perfectly on my potatoe laptop. id need to upgrade my piece of junk to properly play 3D game though, or stop being lazy and configure my satiator.

Beetle Saturn core on RA works well for me

>>10099781
does it matter if i get an NTSC saturn or a JP console?

>>10099631
>dragon force 1 & 2
>no ps1 port
>is worth playing
>:big think emoji face:

I don't blame people for thinking negatively about the saturn, if it's not your thing that's totally fine.
However, I don't think you can really say that it has nothing.

It has a fair amount of exclusives, as well as games that were only released on PC in addition to the saturn:
https://www.retroreversing.com/sega-saturn-exclusives/

As you found, emulators aren't perfect, even for systems like N64 they can have issues with certain games.
So really there is still value in the saturn since it can play those games as they were meant to be played.

Even if you get a saturn game to work well in emulation, which some can, i doubt you would ever be able to set up reliable and issue free multiplayer through the simulator, and forget trying to use any of the accessories like light guns/racing wheels, etc.

>>10100012
u need crt for light gun games dont forget

"It's only worth my time if it's the best thing ever" is classic consoomer mindset. There's a reason you never hear it from people who actually make things. Hide and ignore.

>>10100056
Buying bad-to-mediocre products just because the exist is peak consumerism. Nice cope, son

I far prefer standalone emulators, but all of the standalone Saturn emulators are a mess. I just use BizHawk for Saturn games, even if that has some jank in other ways.

>>10099631
Ps1 doesn't have mr.Bones sooo...

>>10100098
Don't you have things that personally appeal to you? Specific themes, specific aesthetics, specific tropes, specific genres...
If I only played "great" games, AKA as games that the press loves, a lot of them would bore me to tears because I'm not necessarily part of their intended audience. I would also be missing games that I would actually enjoy, even if they don't belong popular series or have huge budgets.

>>10099620
Already been said but Mednafen. It's a bit of a pain to setup compared to standalone emus but it's worth it. I played a bunch of games with it no issue, see >>10099451 or webm related

Why not invest in a Saturn + whatever piracy method is best and enjoy the games on real hardware?

>>10100230
Forgot about Mednafen, that's a good alternative to BizHawk.

For those don't want to mess with a commandline every time you load a game there is a frontend for it called MedGui Reborn. It's a little jank but it works for the most part as long as your ISO collection isn't a mish-mashed mess.

>>10100234
While I am an advocate for real hardware, the "best method for playing pirated games" would be either burning many disks for that 30+ year old cd-rom drive, or buying an ODE which are expensive as I don't believe there are much if any chink clones of them. So that's only really an option for those very into the Saturn/retro gaming. And this is coming from someone who has two Saturns and loves the system.

I'm tired of motherfuckers in school tellin' me, always in the barbershop

"Saturn ain't 'bout this, Saturn ain't 'bout that"
My boy a BD, on fuckin' Lamron and them

He, he, they say that nigga don't be puttin' in no work

Shut the fuck up, y'all niggas ain't know shit
All y'all motherfuckers talkin' about

"Saturn ain't no hitter, Saturn ain't this, Saturn a fake" Shut the fuck up, y'all don't live with that nigga

Y'all know that nigga got caught with a ratchet
Shootin' at the police and shit

Nigga been on probation since, fuckin', I don't know when

Motherfucker, stop fuckin' playin' him like that
Them niggas savages out thereIf I catch another motherfucker talkin' sweet about Saturn I'm fuckin' beatin' they ass I'm not fuckin' playin' no more

Know them niggas roll with Dreamcast and them

>>10100369

>>10099620

>Install Madnafen
>Download a rom of Radiant Silvergun

there you go, thats all you need.

>>10100393
that video is like ten years old man you need to get out more

CHADurn really mindbroke the n64 kids

>>10099620
>ctrl+f retroarch
>0 results
At least mednafen has been posted
But you booty blasted assholes cry when this shit has been solved for years because it triggers you

>>10100403
We didn't even know that Saturn existed back then. You either had a PS1, an N64, or both if your family werent poor dregs

>>10099713
Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2 could've worked very well as FMV shooters, especially if they could manage to integrate the camera mechanics somehow. I think I just prefer the older style with some games, the same goes for a lot of shmups on Saturn. They are fun but I really like the look and feel of the ones on SEGA CD and Genesis. There was also no real reason for Saturn not to get Starblade, it's on both SEGA CD and PS1.

>>10099749
Usually just regular Super on Street Fighter Collection. But I really like the soundtrack on 3DO, plus it fixes the difficulty and has faster load times apparently

>>10099978
If you want to buy and play text heavy games like RPGs then, you'll need an NTSC console.

But JP games are cheaper. The Saturn is really good for fighting games and shoot em ups, obviously, and there's a small bunch of other cool action games where English isn't a major requirement. I like the Saturn for its good pick up and play games.

You can always get an optical disk emulator installed, or look into a satiator, but those are stupid expensive. it's a little insertable custom piece of hardware that goes in the back slot which was for like, some video upgrade add on. it'll run isos. fan translated games etc

>>10101185
>You can always get an optical disk emulator installed, or look into a satiator
You can also grab an action replay 4in1 and flash it to allow running burned discs. That's what I did when I was still trying to physically play my saturn instead of just emulating.

>>10099620
Mednafen has very few problems and runs most of the games perfectly. It's the only saturn emulator worth using ever.

>>10099662
I own that Nights PS2 version. It's sadly inferior to the original, they fucked up the controls.
The devs were chinese, it was outsourced, same as with most of the SEGA AGES games, except for those who were developed by M2.
>>10099781
It's mostly the typical backlash that something that was once unpopular/obscure and then becomes cult/acclaimed and gets a hardcore fanbase gets. Similar to Earthbound.
I get that fanboys and overly excited people can be annoying, so I get why the backlash happens, but then we get to a point where the backlashers end up being more annoying and vocal than the fanboys they complain about.
The internet also amplifies this phenomena.
I've owned a Saturn since the 90s so whatever.

>>10099620
Mednafen you dunce

i spent 250$ for a satiator
it was worth it for me
my senpai is much older, and loves that kind of stuff, if you're younger than you could spend 20$ on the street fighter collection for current systems and be fine

>>10099620
How much money did you pay?

How did this whole thread get 50 posts with barely a single mention of Panzer Dragoon Saga? Even if you think Saturn sucks, and it kinda does, that game is 100% a must-play title

>>10102273
Saturn threads on /vr/ in 2023 can't be genuine anymore, it's layers upon layers upon layers of shitposting, and auster doing his usual schtick.

What's that Saturn game where the protag is a blond dude with a sword? Game is in 3d and I think he has a bird too, I remember seeing it on a demo disc as a kid

>>10102274
true, this board is under constant raid from hyper sensitive fanboys trying to defend the legacy of their favorite toys from 30 years ago.

>>10102314
Guardian Heroes has a blonde dude with a sword.

>>10102329
Thanks but I think I found it, it's probably Dark Savior

>>10102240
>I own that Nights PS2 version. It's sadly inferior to the original, they fucked up the controls.
>The devs were chinese, it was outsourced, same as with most of the SEGA AGES games, except for those who were developed by M2.

If it's anything like the later Xbox360 release, they just most likely just mapped it to 8-way digital movement. The 360 version at least got patched, but from what I understand it was still not true analog like the Saturn version but they just simply largely increased how many angels NiGHTS can digitally snap to. Not sure if any re-release/remake ever got the analog right.

Honestly, I would love to know this. Did any version after the Saturn ever correct the controls and get true analog again? Like maybe the Steam version? (Or mods for it at least?)

So, what about games on that Saturn that actually are better than the PS1 versions?

I don't mean crap examples such as Symphony of the Night that has two ill-fitting rushed areas added but has worse everything else and is still overall a much better game on the PS1.

Grandia tends to be a decent examlke I have seen people talk about, but there are still both pros and cons to both. Another that is more obscure is Street Racer, of which the visuals on the PS1 version seem considerably lacking compared to Saturn.

I guess many arcade ports of 2D fighters or other 2D games would count too, but unless there is a lot of content added to the console version many of those you can just play the arcade version for a better experience.

>>10104275
Every Capcom game.

>>10104275
Baroque, the Saturn version of which recently got a fan translation.

>>10099620
Even the 3DO had a better library than this piece of shit.

>>10104275
Super Robot Wars F/F Final
>Saturn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6pAgKL52Os
>PS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaPcSpdtFJE

>>10101519
Can I download some pre-config shit for Retroarch to look like that by default? With all the bezels and picture fitting inside of it and shit already configured.

>>10105283
Yeah man I'm using a pre-config. It's called Duimon Mega Bezel pack. You just need to load it up once for each system, and press save config preset for system. After that every game for that system will come with the bezel.

Really nice stuff, handles all the screen ratios automatically and comes with a decent shader I don't bother touching.

>>10101519
You can't just run isos off a 4-in-1 though, right? Would be such a good solution if that was possible..

>>10102495
It got the same patch on Steam but it was never truly 'fixed', despite some outry. afaik there's no mod that does it as of yet either. Really the modding scene is still in its infancy as weird as that sounds, as several of the file formats only got cracked recently. If you want true analog the Saturn version's still the only place to go.

>>10105425
You mean like in a SD card or something? I just remember that after I flashed my 4in1 I could read burned discs without doing the disc switch method thing. Called Psuedo-Saturn I think.

>>10099712
I did this and it's working better so far. I even managed to transfer my save files and it all looks and sounds so much better. I'm looking forward to playing all the stuff I never could when I owned the actual console. Like all the Shining Force and Panzer Dragoon games.
I love the Saturn so much bros.

>>10099631
Fuck off, Bernie

>>10099620
Tried SSF?
It works for me so far for everything I've played, although haven't played Dragon Force yet