/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9743283
>If Dreamcast was making money as you claim than Sega wouldn't have had to drop out.
The company was almost 100 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS IN DEBT when the Dreamcast was released. What part of this do you not understand? Nothing was saving them, nothing was going to actually turn profit. The company was dead.
>Then why did the losses accelerate after the Dreamcast launched?
Because the Saturn was a catastrophic failure worldwide, even in Japan, where it's losses in that country we're covered up by Segas arcade profits. The idiots in charge then decided that the logical course of action was to open up over 150 new arcade venues across the world, all of which failed miserably, and now the one segment of the company that was stable also became a hemorrhaging money pit.

>>8982003
The hole was almost entirely the Saturn, that graph is Sega's overall profit as a company, this one more accurately shows what was actually going on. The Saturn was bleeding them, and they were covering it with arcade profits, as soon as the arcade profits declined, the bottom fell out of the company and they went bankrupt. Sega more or less made very little to no profit for over 5 years because of the Saturn being a worldwide disaster.
>>8982262
>>8982437
The Genesis and it's games were literally the only trickle of revenue Sega was getting from the home product division in those years, as the Saturn had stopped being manufactured entirely and sales fell off a cliff even in Japan which was the only market it ever had a slight impact on. All of Sega's home profits in 97-98 were the Genesis 3 rebrand and some middling sells of Saturn games in Japan. Stop making up bullshit.

>>8510456
>You're a few years too early for that. That was because of selling the Dreamcast at a such a massive loss that no amount of hardware sales could make up for it.
Oh lmao you're the same retard who keeps trying to force this in every Sega thread. I should have know there weren't 2 autistic retards obsessed with the Saturn for god knows what reason.
Run away now like every other thread when I post this.

>>8484324
Yes, I know they are. We just did this in a thread a day or two ago and you never responded when I posted them because you're a worthless shitposter.

>>8470608
>look up the income graphs
ok I did. wow look I'm right

>>8252067
You have posted this in like 5 different Sega related threads just in this last month and you keep repeating it even after I've posted this every time.

>>8175578
>the overlap of roughly 61 million Americans with internet and 10 million Americans with a Saturn
what fantasy world is this? in the real one it took 3 years for the Saturn to break 1m units sold and the Genesis outsold it every year until the Dreamcast was released.
The fucking Genesis 3 rehash sold more than the Saturn did in its entire life.
>>8176632
The Dreamcast was launched in December of 98, and canceled in January of 01, so both those years can be ignored. The Dreamcast's American launch in 99 and revenue was the only period of time from 95 to their death as a hardware company where Sega wasn't hemorrhaging money in the home division.

>>8158560
>>8158983
Retard

>>7882932
that worked well

>>7841494
What the fuck are you talking about you actual schizo, the Saturn literally bankrupted them before the Dreamcast even existed

>>7689350
>Yet the Japanese Saturn market is what kept Sega from going into the red before the Dreamcast caused a hemorrhage
Completely and factually untrue, as you can see in pic related. Sega suffered their first losses in the consumer home console market in 95, the first year the Saturn was released worldwide. A small loss because the Genesis was still being heavily supported. 96 sees a massive drop as the Genesis was abandoned in every region, followed by a very slight upturn in 97, the year SoA more or less ended Saturn support and returned to the Genesis. 98 sees the biggest dip as the Saturn and Genesis have no real market in America, and Sega relies only on Japanese Saturn revenue until the November launch of the Dreamcast. The DC American launch year spikes them higher than they had been since 95, and then Sony destroys them in 2000 before they go third party.
So factually the worst years for Sega before the PS2 were when the Saturn was being featured as the mainline console. Only when they had support for the Genesis or Dreamcast in America did their fortune not continuously decline, and in 96 and 98 when the Saturn alone in Japan carried them they posted their biggest losses pre PS2.
So the notion that the Saturn was doing anything to benefit Sega in any region is simply false. If anything what kept them from going even further into the red in the home console division was SoA returning to the Genesis, and having an extremely successful launch of the Dreamcast.

>>7688003
32x, Saturn and Dreamcast were all flops that wiped out Sega as a console maker. Saturn was popular in Japan though.