/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4203630
btw usually when you see SQ shilling around here it's also me. I liked CV, but Simon's Quest was my jam. To this day it might be my favorite NES game.

Now there's something that actually does sound like trolling even though it's not.

>>4039360
Though you might be right, it's always been my favorite of them by far.

>>3981250
I've always liked Simon's Quest but I have to admit it's pretty lacking in some areas. Still, it hits so many notes that I love.

A sense of time passing, a big open world to explore and mysteries to figure out.

>>3961508
I like big open levels where there's more to do than just wander around collecting things.

>>3942930
I heard it was really short, which is the only reason I haven't picked it up yet.

>>3942921
He does have a point that SM doesn't fundamentally do a ton that 1 and 2 didn't.

I think it's funny we got stuck with the term Metroidvania when Simon's Quest was essentially the same ideas and made around the same time as Metroid 1.

I also think it's funny that we will never know who actually coined the term since both Scott Sharkey and Jeremy Parish claim to hate it and blame the other.

>>3931156
Simon's Quest is my favorite old school one.
Circle of the Moon is my favorite new school one.

>>3915486
I know this is almost certainly a troll because controls alone are shoddy, ignoring all the usual complaints.

But I've always loved it. I liked CV1 well enough but SQ was one of my all time favorite NES games.

>>3867963
>but in replaying it I can't help but think that this ideology of a game where swapping secrets with your friends just guarantees that your game will feel dated not only in terms of visual/audio presentation but in gameplay as well.

It's only a failure if you see it being a product of it's time as a negative. This was a time when there wasn't an internet to look everything up, so it created a kind of meta game around the game.

Games like Simon's Quest, you almost needed to be in the know in a way to finish. I remember having to ask around in class what the fuck to do. This was a big part of fighting games when they caught on. There was a meta game around learning what everyone could do. And I think in both cases that was an intentional part of their design.

But I also don't think that makes them bad, that the experience of figuring out the game is ephemeral and a collective experience that happens and is gone, but making way for the next one.

>>3785091
>>3785021
I like that both Jeremy Parish and Scott Sharkey blame the other for coining "metroidvania".

As dumb as the term is, it's great how many people it upsets.

>>3582338
I like IV quite a bit more, but that doesn't make either of our opinions wrong. Life would be boring if we all thought the exact same thing.

>>3570184
With the original translation there are certain things like kneeling with the crystal that are ridiculous to expect people to figure out on their own. I had to ask a guy in my class and he only knew because of Nintendo Power.

All that said, it's my favorite classicvania, among my favorite NES games and pretty much always has been. Opinions are never universal.

I have a theory that no one ever figured out kneeling with the crystal in Simon's Quest on their own. It was all the Nintendo Power hints being passed from kid to kid.

>>3443861
My favorite overall is Circle of the Moon. My favorite retro one is Simon's Quest and still one of my favorite NES games. I like the metroid style much more. Something about free roaming open world games has always really appealed to me.

>>3133524
Let's not get into yet another thousand post thread about the difference between Zelda style action adventures and Secret of Mana style Action-RGPs again. If you're one of the people who wants to blur or ignore that distinction then whatever, think what you will.

But suffice to say, if you are one of the many who makes the distinction between them Beyond Oasis is even farther removed from an ARPG like SoM than Zelda is. It's essentially an action-puzzle game, other than the setting and top down perspective it has no real RPG trappings.

RPG mechanics wise Simon's Quest is closer to an RPG in every way.

>>3124761
I liked the first Castlevania well enough, but Simon's Quest was one of the first games I really really loved. It felt like such a huge adventure.

>>3080601
>The added freedom allows them to be exploited more.

Yes, but it's the player's choice whether they want to go for the biggest exploits to make the game as easy as possible or to use the freedom to experiment with interesting challenges and approaches.

I like all the 2D Castlevanias, but the metroid style ones are those I find myself coming back to more often. I would prefer another like Simon's Quest though. With lots of exploration, but without killing enemies giving XP or loot grinding.

>>2858616
Simon's Quest with a bigger world, better puzzles and a good translation. A big open world with lots of exploration, but with less of the collect-a-thon stuff that came with the metroidvania games.

>>2787054
Ignoring that the term metroidvania was coined to refer to SotN, pic related would like to have a word with you.

>>2787049
Also I recommend it for you.

>>2775628
It's almost sort of metroidvania so it may not be what you're looking for, but Simon's Quest was one of my favorite games as a kid for that very reason.

Ecco the Dolphin isn't exactly a platformer but gives me a lot of those feelings as well.

Metal Warriors also not exactly a platformer, but very open and adventury feeling.

>>2675234
Good age, to pick, very formative. That was the year I played both Final Fantasy and Simon's Quest. I hadn't been a huge fan of the first Castlevania, but SQ really caught my attention and to this day remains one of my all time favorite games.

>>2590320
My favorite is Simon's Quest. Rondo is the one I'd say is the "best" but SQ has always been my favorite.

The worst is Mirror of Fate by a landslide, but that's not retro so I'll leave it at that.

>>2354638
I used to feel this way, but realized it's still pretty easy to avoid. Now when I get a new game I go into a bit of a blackout mode and don't read forums or guides about it. If I get stuck or want to know something specific it's nice to know I can google it for a quick tip, but in general it's fun to just go back to exploring and learning a game on my own.

>>2354631
I somehow avoided most bullshit rumors, or never believed them enough that I remember them anymore. The thing that stands out in my memory is one that sounded like a bullshit rumor to me but turned out to be true.

I was 11 or 12 and had been stuck in Simon's Quest for ages with no clue what to do. There was a douchey kid a couple years older in my lunchroom who overheard me talking with my friends about it and told me to take the blue crystal and crouch in this one spot.

I remember thinking he was probably lying because he was usually a dick, but tried anyways because I didn't know what else to do and was delighted when it worked. I probably should have thanked him.

>>2269797
I remember them, but never thought about calling. I didn't use strategy guides either, any problem I was stuck on I would just ask other kids. It was still pretty rare, but I do remember a kid a grade above me explaining the crouching with the crystal in Simon's Quest which I'm eternally thankful for. I don't think I ever would have sussed that one out.

Castlevania II gets a lot of shit, but I loved it as a kid and I still do. Shitty translation and all.