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>>74649824

>Pastebin
https://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0

>Mediafire
http://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD

>Mega
https://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw

>General Creation Kit
https://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw

>Thread question(s)
You can decide any one type of monster to be the next splat. Any single one, and you know that it will be at least okay, if not good. What do you choose?

>> No.74716829

>>74716770
I tried to think something up but I honestly can't think of any more splats to be added to the WoD without making it super, super conceptually crowded. If I still had to pick something, aliens.

>> No.74717073

>>74716770
Slashers. Elevate them to full-blown splat status. Mask chads represent and slice and dice Mage supremacy down to the size of DaveB's never seen micro-peen.

>> No.74717313

>>74716770
How come in most wod games that I’ve come across
The most greatly R+ rated potentially triggering and problematic moments are produced by the players and not the game master
Not like that’s a bad thing

>> No.74717479

>>74717073
Gonna agree with this one. It's actually kind of annoying that one of, if not the most popular phenomenon in current horror got cut down to a rarely used phenomenon in hunter, of all games.

>> No.74718036

>>74716770
What's left? Deviants, Beasts, Demons, Hunters, Mages and The Crow are already pushing it

The Creature from the Black Lagoon?

>> No.74718346

>>74717479
Asymmetric world of darkness survival game when?

>> No.74718353

Do the Nosferatu have a specific term for when they embrace somebody who was beautiful in life? If they were to take someone who was, a starlet for instance, who relied on their looks their entire life and embraced them.

>> No.74718613

>>74716770
Fuck monsters.

>> No.74718617

>>74718353
Cleopatra.

>> No.74719429

>>74718613
w-what are you going to do with that leveling tool?

>> No.74719451

>>74718613
If that crucifix isn't silver then you're missing a source of silver.

>> No.74719682

>>74718613
>little bottle of carmex
Gotta keep those lips soft to suck some awoo cock huh?

>> No.74720276

>>74718613
>even a CD, undoubtedly holding some moody music

>> No.74720315

>>74717073
Just play a Deviant

>> No.74720442

>>74720276
Likely a Depeche Mode CD, which he listens to with a condom wrapped over his head and the gun to his heart whilst he jerks off to ward away the demons.

>> No.74720875

Is it cheese if I spend all my starting merits on vampires who'll teach me all the disciplines?

>> No.74720916

>>74720875
Where are you going to get all those XP to learn them?

>> No.74720917

>>74720875
Learning Disciplines takes time and experience, finding a tutor is part of that cost also.
I think it's easier to find a mentor as part of your game than it is to accrue the points necessary to buy the baseline skills honestly.

>> No.74721367

>>74720916
>>74720917
So you'd be okay with it?

>> No.74721446

>>74721367
What merits are you thinking of getting to learn the disciplines?

>> No.74721454

>>74721367
Probably not no. It sounds dumb, pointless and comes at the cost of points that could be used for something interesting.

>> No.74721463

>>74721446
Mentor.

>> No.74721497

>>74721463
What clan are you planning to be and what type of mentor are you looking to have?
Does it fit the narrative?

>> No.74721535

>>74716770
> TQ
Zombies, like 80s horror style ones, not Risen as that's more The Crow.
Though with iZombie and Zombies out more recently, perhaps something like those could work.
Even though the whole thing takes inspiration from the zombie kinos of the late 70s to very early 90s.

>> No.74721559

>>74716770
Where do you research for period outfits for your characters?
I've found youtube surprisingly useful both in the form of channels by various specific subject matter experts.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6HXhW6nTCuo

And period photo/painting/carving/fresco compilation channels.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oduaElzU1kw

>> No.74721602

>>74721497
It's pretty clear they're going to Munchkin having as many 1-dot Mentors from different Clans as they can to get the Disciplines they need.
Personally, I like to put a stop to shenanigans like that in saying that Kindred if wanting to learn Disciplines in that manner also need to drink the vitae of the mentor they want to learn them from and blood-bonds are a thing.

>> No.74721645

>>74721602
Yeah I can definitely see that, I just wanted more of an idea of his plan.
I can see it being hard for some clans to get mentors. Why would a Brujah be teaching a Ventrue anything? How happy would your Gangrel mentor be to find out you've been suckling from the teat of a Ravnos?

If a player wants to powergame, and the system allows it, I'm happy to accept something with a reasonable amount of risk for me as an ST to play with.

>> No.74721997

>>74721559
I honestly think Pinterest is really useful.

>> No.74722656

>74707814
>Except Phantoms is a Miramax/Dimension Films/Weinstein (yes, that Weinstein) joint and The Thing film franchise is from Universal.
Two IPs from two differing companies.
You must suck at the conspiracy aspect of this game if that stops your investigation cold in it's tracks.
"Prince says it wasn't their Brujah goons who killed our party member, so obviously it couldn't have been the prince who hates us."

Both are based on an older novella called "who goes there"? So one company making one installment and one company making another means jack shit in an age of rich actors funding passion projects in secret.

>>74711900
>At last, someone with as much autism for fleshcraft in RPG's as me
I think it's my MMO healslut nature. I want to buff everyone.

>> No.74722746

>>74717479
Explain the functional differences between Beast, Slasher and Deviant then if you want Slashers back. All three describe mentally ill serial killers with supernatural angles. That's three splats that are exactly the fucking same subject matter, some of which are only 4 years old.

>> No.74722859

>>74717073
>>74717479
Just play Beast and fluff yourself as a slasher, anons...

Jason Voorhes is just an average-height Giant Beast or Hollow Promethean anyways for example of how one concept can fit two different splats.

>>74718613
>.38 and some condoms
Now this looks like some good Imperial Tzimisce kink.

>when your sire's ghoul/your former revenant cousin hands you a .22LR welrod to use as your beginner sex-toy...
>"It's the perfect caliber for girls, anon! just shove it up your pussy and fire away!"
>"What the fuck, what?"
>"It's vicissitude experience!"
>"What the fuck is vicissitude...?"

>> No.74723882

>>74717073
>your morality stat drops when you DON'T kill people

>> No.74724113

>>74721645
Regardless, they are limited in character creation having to lock in some dots for their in-clan Disciplines.
If they decide they're a Caitiff, I'd highly lean into whoever he got their starting disciplines from that they either have low-level blood bonds on the PC and like you mentioned, there should be some fallout fluff-wise for it, as it's a shitty 'trick' powerplayers and win rpers are always want to do.
There was in the day the control of having Caitiff kill-on-sight back in the day, so the PC would need to pose as a particular Clan and would be stuck with a Blood Hunt on them if discovered.
I feel the easier solution for really any PC who wants to have Mentors for the purpose of Disciplines is using the system of Boons... If it's a unique discipline (alot of Caitiff PCs want Protean, Serpentis, Vicissitude, Thaumaturgy, etc) the PC may owe a Major or even Life Boon for learning dots in it, one for each dot even.
Getting a dot in the common free-for-alls is easily a Trivial boon, getting Thaumaturgy from a Tremere is a Life Boon for sure.

>> No.74724170

>>74722746
>Beast
Big monster, fear related powers. Also it sucks
>Deviant
It's more robocop then slasher; with the focus on escaping a conspiracy and actually trying to stay sane. It really only wants you to vent aggression out on your "acceptable targets". Plus slasher guys aren't really known for having super cyborg bits and the like (Jason X not withstanding)
>slasher
all guts all the time. shameless murder and really reveling in the idea of being the villain. Also probably more or less completely humanoid as opposed to Beast and Deviant, since most popular slashers like Jason, Leatherface, Myers, Ghostface, etc are all kind of just really scary people.

>> No.74724331

>>74724170
>It's more robocop then slasher; with the focus on escaping a conspiracy and actually trying to stay sane. It really only wants you to vent aggression out on your "acceptable targets". Plus slasher guys aren't really known for having super cyborg bits and the like (Jason X not withstanding)
Deviant can be pretty much anything not covered by other splats (and some things that are covered by other splats). There's no reason you can't just play a dude in a mask who won't die and must kill

>> No.74724364

>>74722656
Firstly, incorrect. Phantoms was actually based off the Dean Koontz novel of the same name and that novel was inspired by Lovecraft's horror fiction.
Though you want to talk how fiction links like that? Fine...
The movie Call of Cthulhu & Call-Girl of Cthulhu are taken from the same Lovecraft novella, doesn't mean they're parts 1 and 2 of the same series, you fucking dumbass.
Yes, film rights disputes happen and holders change hands, though unless you pull up evidence stating Phantoms was a planned part of the Carpenter take on things, then they're not linked past inspiration from the same source material.
Or do you think every fucking Dracula film is part of a wide canon? Like Blacula, Hellsing and fucking Batman vs Dracula are all part of one series?
Shall I keep going?
Many such fucking cases, y'know.
Films are my thing, don't talk to me like I don't know shit how the industry works.

>> No.74724531

>>74724113
Yeah I feel like it's cheap but there's way I could form a plot around it all. I can see an ambitious neonate attempting to spin a web of agreements that earn them some discipline teaching but at a great cost. Blood bonds, diabllerie, Blood Hunts and many more terrible pitfalls come at the cost of having one dot in a lot of out of clan disciplines.

Now, a character that has the goal of diablerising a vampire from each pillar clan and learning some disciplines that way is a lot more interesting. It doesn't take a munchkin character creation and it's a real attainable motive without needing to make a ton of excuses. How many souls can you contain before you explode?
I'd rather my players use their characters as vehicles in the world rather than use them as a route to get unlimited ammo and big head mode on their sheet.

>> No.74724605

>>74724531
Def remember prestation is a thing, even a minor boon on a PC could potentially fuck up their gameplan and it isn't as harsh as those other options.
Outside of that I totally agree with you on all points.

>> No.74725154

Anyone got the DAV20 Companion and Tome of Secrets? It's not in the Mega

>> No.74725319

>>74725154
it's in this mega:
https://mega.nz/folder/tbwRTTCR#BPIXkI002d46kibYAjDu0g/folder/hGhx0R6a

>> No.74725610

>Best advice for going into a Michaels is bring a torch or flashlight, it keeps the ghosts away and the employees will see you're a real customer.
WoD is real y'all.

>> No.74725643

>>74724170
>Jason
Not that one. Not since the fourth, or five (or was it sixth?) movie

>> No.74725669

>>74724364
Fuck you I'm a Tzimisce

>> No.74725696

>>74725610
what

>> No.74725702

>>74724170
>Big monster, fear related powers. Also it sucks
Slashers are scary, and not all of them are big monsters, plus most are only big monsters in their hideout, which can also be fluffed as a fear-induced hallucination depending on if the beast is physically a beast or not. Some are, but some are metaphorical beasts from what little fluff I've read of Beast: The Primordial. Some are just, "Death" rather than a dragon or a giant, which suits the Scream Ghostface-killers. Wether the splat sucks or not I have no idea, WoD books all look like vauge garbage to me form a mechanical perspective, which makes them good for free-form storytelling I guess, which /tg/ then seems to lack and take sway too artistically (taking in-universe perspectives as hard-fact, for example).

>> No.74726963

Maybe it's just because I'm getting older or that the world has changed, but I'm more and more sympathetic to the Techno view point and less so to the Trad view as time goes on. Like I used to be fully in the Trad camp, but not anymore. Anyone else feel the same way?

>> No.74727702

>>74724364
>Firstly, incorrect. Phantoms was actually based off the Dean Koontz novel of the same name and that novel was inspired by Lovecraft's horror fiction.
That's what I meant. That the Dean Koontz novel was a "What If...?" if The Thing made it to the mianland millennia ago, but then it's also sort of *not* because it's just straight-up based on The Eldest as well, especially when they start sequencing it's genome and every common form of life on Earth from an artist's perspective starts cycling on screen. It's all WoD, anon.

>Or do you think every fucking Dracula film is part of a wide canon? Like Blacula, Hellsing and fucking Batman vs Dracula are all part of one series?
In a sense that they're all heroes stored within the root. Which Dracula a Mage summons is tied to their perceptions of Dracula is it not? An African-Americna mage without much concept of the Dracula myth and only the film "Blackula" may indeed summon the same entity, whereas a web Fate: GO fan might end up with Lancer of Black as his "Blackula",

>> No.74727740

>>74727702
word-filters and typos are jew sorcery

>> No.74727754

>>74725669
Yeet we movin' in for the kill here.

>> No.74727775

>>74725696
I can see you've never tried to shop at a Michaels. It's like Giest in there.

>> No.74727799

>>74725610
You're smart to use a flashlight, I punch myself in the head.

>> No.74727864

>>74716770
>you can decide any one type of monster to be the next splat. Any single one, and you know that it will be at least okay, if not good. What do you choose?
Kaiju
Not really but God, imagine the shitstorm

>> No.74728108

>>74727702
> because it's just straight-up based on The Eldest as well, especially when they start sequencing it's genome and every common form of life on Earth from an artist's perspective starts cycling on screen. It's all WoD, anon.
Phantoms was written in the fucking 80s, same as The Thing was made in the 80s. VtM came out in 1991. You could make a case for fleshcrafting Tzimisce inspired by The Thing with some merit... Have you ever even looked at the disclaimer in a WoD's opening page stating that none of it's real? Get help.

> Which Dracula a Mage summons
Oh, you're the Magefag too. Thought it was interesting they stopped posting when the Tzimisce stuff appeared first. I figured as much, though thanks for confirming it for me.

>>74727754
Sure you are, fiction schizo. Rings have got run around for sure.

>> No.74729839

>>74727702
Well said my Tzimisce friend

>> No.74730248

>>74716770
What exactly is KEKnomancy? In the previous to the Technocracy Reloaded, it points ot a page in Book of the Fallen, but the page doesn't say anything about it at all. Is Brucato still seething after three years?

>> No.74730570

>>74718353
Cleopatras, named after https://youtu.be/CrlVTZFPnzA

>> No.74730666

>>74730570
The best scene in the movie is a guy just lighting his cigarette.

>> No.74730941

>>74728108
>Phantoms was written in the fucking 80s, same as The Thing was made in the 80s. VtM came out in 1991. You could make a case for fleshcrafting Tzimisce inspired by The Thing with some merit... Have you ever even looked at the disclaimer in a WoD's opening page stating that none of it's real? Get help.
"Must not be real because disclaimer says so."
They put one of those at the beginning of MGS2 and look how that went over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6WjfDqYA

"Art imitates life" anon.

>Oh, you're the Magefag too. Thought it was interesting they stopped posting when the Tzimisce stuff appeared first. I figured as much, though thanks for confirming it for me.
I played Fate:GO and am a mage vampire, that's why I've been saying the in-game rules are stupid and a flawed, gaslit representation of reality especially when WW's Mary Sues can do it, why can't I?

>> No.74730987

/tg/: mAgEs cAn'T bE vAmPiReS oR wErEwOlVeS bOoK sAy sO
Also the books: Samuel Haight exists.

>> No.74731018

>>74730987
Thats just the new consensus, schizo-chan, you gotta get with the times before paradox gets ya.

>> No.74731452

>>74730570
I can picture a Nossy sat there in the dark, hidden from view as a model wakes up twisted and ruined, frenzy pending and just going
>one of us
>one of us
>we accept her
>gooble-gobble gooble-gobble

>> No.74731645

>>74730941
>>74730987
Correct, I am just a mage however but by being one I am everything the other splats are and more

>> No.74731702

So whats the new lore for Black Dog gonna be in W5?

When we last left our despicable Wyrmish self-inserts, they had almost gone bankrupt trying to compete with the gaming monopoly Magicians of the Bay. Before Pentex bailed them out only to sell them to PCP, a vile cult to chtonic horrors frozen under the Icelandic glaciers fronting as a video game company.

What wacky bullshit are they gonna come up with to explain the sale to Paradox and subsequent ass-whooping for being retards about the Chechnya thing (among other missteps)

>> No.74731757

>>74731702
They'll pivot to being some anti-pc shock comedians and it won't be done well at all.

>> No.74732806

>>74731702
> PCP, a vile cult to chtonic horrors frozen under the Icelandic glaciers fronting as a video game company.
CCP being vile and run by ancient Triglavian horrors? WoD is real life I keep telling y'all.

>> No.74732907

>>74731702
They're probably gonna be owned now by Vulgarity Software or some shit who is milking the franchises to pump out Black Spiral Dancers with vapid brainwashing-laden action video games marketed to their baser instincts like Lycanthrope: the Endtimes: Gaiaheart. Vulgarity Software is secretly owned by Sasha Vykos and other powerful Tzimisce elders and Inconnu who are attempting to bring down the Masquerade using video games like Revenant: The Secret Society: Lineages 2.

>> No.74733178

>>74732907
The amount of sub titles in those names are enough to make me dance the spiral.

>> No.74733483

>>74732907Pondering further: what if the plot of VTMB2 is about getting RTSSL2 cancelled by the prince of Seattle because "cancel culture" is run by Camarilla vampires upholding the Masquerade?

>> No.74733531

Don't forget to eat your fucking fish no matter what splat you are, /tg/.

>> No.74733599

>>74733531
fish gives you quintesense and mana XD

>> No.74733635

>>74733531
Sometimes you eat the fish.
Some other times, well...

>> No.74733885

>>74727864
Honestly an interesting concept. Probably unworkable, but interesting.

>> No.74733905

>can't find a campaign to join that isn't Vamp
>or even something that isn't Vamp V5
HELP

>> No.74734088

>>74733905
>searching for pickup games
>of fucking WoD of all things

Yeah no.

>> No.74735574

>>74716770
I know we've got Trinity for this shit, but I want to see the trainwreck that would happen if you put this in main-line wod - either classic, or new, I don't care.

>You can decide any one type of monster to be the next splat. Any single one, and you know that it will be at least okay, if not good. What do you choose?

Hero: The Responsibility. A splat-book that obliterates any of the secretiveness of the World of Darkness, by having actual, honest-to-god superheroes start appearing in it. The book would set up like a normal splat-book, with different conventions of superheroes around - though, in this case, the normal balance of them would be out of whack, with the 'outsider' group (the equivalent of The Anarchs, or The Orphans, or what-have-you) being the most common; people with no real deep, overarching, ancient origin to their group. Then, you would have traditions - which would be the smallest, in this case - like a secret organization that has tracked the blood-lines of ancient heroes, working together and supporting them, now that they've re-emerged (or at least, done so in a big way) in the modern day - or a group of government agents, with access to a super-power-granting device. So on, and so forth. Then you would have a whole section on how the other groups in the world have reacted to this - how Mages, Werewolves and Vampires view this shit, and their own thoughts on the matter - on their own understanding of the splat, and their own belief's of their origins. The themes of the splat-book would be Hubris, Heroism, and (as the name suggests) Responsibility, and how the Heroes understand and view such things.

>> No.74735658

>>74735574
Sounds stupid and don't you have enough capeshit in your daily life?

>> No.74735678

>>74735658
>Sounds stupid
Definitely
> and don't you have enough capeshit in your daily life?
NEVER

>> No.74735718

Has anyone else listened to 25 years of vampire the masquerade of retrospective podcast? I'm thoroughly enjoying it and it has been helping me quite a bit in writing my chronicle, which is the first one I have written in quite a long time.

>> No.74736400

>>74731702
If Paradox adresses how EU4 and CK2 have turned entire generations to racism, ethnocentrism and islamophobia, it would be a nice change of pace

>> No.74736818

>>74735574
I just play Tzimisce vampire to do capeshit. But I am a superior shounen-series protagonist.

>> No.74736851

>>74736818
Are you the same guy that wanted to make WoD more like a 90's action anime? Because you're just as retarded

>> No.74737052

>>74736400
Brettonnia Galaxia 4 and Paladin Lords 2 you mean?

>> No.74737077

>>74736851
Never specifically said that so I think you're either talking about someone else or misunderstood me in another thread.

If anything I want to turn it into Warhammer-Nasuverse of Darkness.

>> No.74737267

>>74737077
>If anything I want to turn it into Warhammer-Nasuverse of Darkness
please leave to the official forums

>> No.74737611

>>74737077
>Nasuverse of Darkness
That's just Mage

>> No.74737617

>starts using a name
>changes to a different one
Please just leave

>> No.74737764

>>74737617
Don't bully schizo-chan, instead use him to gain nonsense insights

>> No.74738092

>>74737764
Get lost, schizo-anon.

>> No.74738621

>>74737617
Well yeah, schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder are like brothers in the great mental illness family

>> No.74738625

>>74726963
I started out in the Techno Camp because I am more interested in science, technologies and future. The idea of being a protector, a researcher and an agent of reason also appeals to me more than being street. A Union story is also interesting because you can combat all kinds of creatures and also struggle against your own, reforming the institution and help humanity.
But I could also identify with a VE/Etherite that tries to help to make the world a better place and sees the Union too corrupt to be saved. The idea of a magic travelman appeals to me as well.

>> No.74738644

>>74716770
How do Technocrats taste to Vampires? Especially the non-mage variety of genetically augmented agents, cyborgs and nanoenhanced MIB.

>> No.74739010

>>74738644
According to the revised storyteller handbook, mage blood doesn't have any particular weird effects, unlike werewolves or changelings. Still, if they've got a bunch of stored quintessence the blood might taste richer than usual, otherwise it would probably just taste a strange but perfectly palatable.

>> No.74739437

>>74738644
cum

>> No.74739749

>>74738621
like brothers in that they have nothing to do with each other?

>> No.74740077

Has anyone ran through any of the Gehenna - or other splat-books - scenario's before - or done ones of their own making? I was just re-reading through the Gehenna book, and I was wondering if anyone's done it before, and how it went. Any cool stories?

In particular, has anyone done anything post-ending? Beyond just an epilogue, or anything. Crucible of God has a really cool concept of a post-Gehenna world - with even an option for the characters to be the new antediluvian's - or progenitors, rather - of this new world, and I was thinking, while cool - that would be a fantastic concept for another campaign; either a continuation, or a new story, with the pc's maybe not even knowing the true history, forgotten to time, of the world they live in - has anyone actually gotten to that point, and done it?

>> No.74740148

>>74733531
>schizo poster is a wormslut lover
not surprised.

>> No.74740235

>>74740077
No

>> No.74740254

>>74739749
I'm a psychiatrist major with 3 PhDs I know what I'm talking about, they're basically the same thing just like your face and your ass

>> No.74740396

>>74740254
cool cool. didnt know pragerU had a psych major.

>> No.74740499

>>74740235
>No

Damn it. Well, someone else must have.

>> No.74740621

could a tzimisce make my dick bigger?

>> No.74740721

>>74740621
By default tests where the difficulty exceeds 10 are considered impossible and can't be attempted, but your ST might let you use the "threshold rule".

>> No.74740959

Well, seeing as I don't play CoD or nwod anymore and whilst I like the owod lore chats, they're getting harder to pick out between the schizo poster stuff etc, I'mma likely dip out the general.
I'll likely pop in when I have a rules or lore question specifically, though I've started to come away from the general more aggravated than coming into it recently.
To all the anons I had great owod VtM lore chats on Ante stuff etc, cheers for that, I learned lots of stuff I didn't know prior. Have a good one.

>> No.74741098

>>74740721
in our game we do it as follows:
any roll against DC X > 9 is rolled against 9 with (X-9) successes subtracted
doesn't apply the same way for difficulties under 2 though. a shame really

>> No.74741167

>>74737611
Yes.

I just want everyone's "heads out of their asses" to this knowledge however.

>>74737617
>>74738621
Oh shit, I liked this name more than the first one. What a horrible war criminal I am. Smash my small business's windows and kick my garbage cans too while you're at it oh god fuck how will I ever recover without insurance oh no...?

>> No.74741199

>>74740621
trusting a tzimisce with your dick is literally sticking your dick in crazy

>> No.74741218

>>74740148
Wow, victim-shame her more, anon. You're real fuckin' cool.

Zouken Matou-assed motherfucker.

>> No.74741337

>>74740621
Yes but see
>>74741199

You really are going to have to screen the Tzimisce you find before you let any of them perform the operation on you. And make sure they're speaking Earth-English and don't call it slang like a, "Doc Johnson" operation or you're gonna end up with something weird.

>> No.74741391

>>74741337
hmm, i see your point. thanks tzimisce-anon

>> No.74741522

>>74741218
if you like her so much, how about you dilate and join her in the worm pit?

>> No.74741578

>>74740721
Whats the threshold rule?

>>74740959
Download 4chan X and use these filters
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boards:tg;/schizo-chan/i

>> No.74741797

>>74741578
Basically what >>74741098 said. A "threshold" is the minimum number of successes you require to actually succeed. So you could roll a TN 10 test against difficulty 9, but with a threshold of 1, meaning you'd need a minimum of 2successes to actually pass (you basically subtract the first success). If a test had a threshold of 4, you'd take away the first 4 successes, and you'd only actually pass with 5 or more.

>> No.74742740

>>74741522
I fucking hate the worm-pit. You go in the worm pit if you like it so much.

>> No.74742805

>>74741522
Also thanks for pointing out to the class EXACTLY where Mage and Vampire overlap with the most Tzimisce-wizard "clocktower can't kick me out despite CLEARLY being a vampire elder" example imaginable.

>> No.74744267

>> No.74745449

>>74716770
anyone got a link to VtM comics?

>> No.74746161

In Chronicles of Darkness, when a power says for its action: Contested, Resistance is reflexive, does that mean it takes the action of the person using the power or not?

>> No.74746863

>>74746161
What power in what book? Some early ones are poorly edited transition material.

>> No.74747028

>>74726963
Opposite. When I was an 3dgy t33n I was fully onboard with the "they're not perfect, but you have the Technocrats to thank for everything basically that's good" perspective. It's as I get older I realize more and more what a load of self-satisfied crap that is and how the Conventions really are horrible.

>> No.74747149

>>74746161
The user would use their action, unless the type is specified as Reflexive on activation (at least in 1e).
The target would not (since it's listed as Reflexive).

>> No.74747191

>>74747028
Yeah. Modern society is fucked up. The more I get older, the more I actually turn against "science" and "progress." When medieval peasants were happier and less stressed than modern man, you know that civilization took the wrong turn.

>> No.74747338

>oMage
>factions are boring, bland, often wacky shit
>nMage
>factions are boring, bland shit
Why is this? Because it's urban fantasy?

>> No.74747839

>>74747338
Because it's Mage

>> No.74748429

>>74747338
How do you manage simultaneously boring, bland, AND wacky?

>> No.74748626

>>74748429
Wacky things can still be bland and boring, bro.

>> No.74748926

>>74746863
Very specifically, the VtR 2e devotion enfeebling aura. It says nothing about if the power is an instant or reflexive.

>>74747149
Thanks. It's what we went with.

>> No.74750075

How bad is it to rp a self insert?

>> No.74750314

>>74750075
Depends on how butt hurt you'll be when 'you' lose.

>> No.74750586

>>74747338
>nMage
>factions are boring, bland shit
This is what happens when you don't read the faction books.

>> No.74750746

>>74748626
Void engineers for one. "We're mages with goofy space-suits and almost no fucking magic who LARP as Starship Troopers the Paul Verhoeven movie fucked Flash Gordon's aesthetic."

>> No.74751072

Quick question about the third generation: Are they still gods in the v20 version? Also is there an Third/fourth generation waifu?

>> No.74751085

>>74750075
Not a good idea, speaking as a GM/ST who's had friends do it before and take it REAL personally when their PC is criticized or frustrated.

>> No.74751087

>>74751072
Compared to a mortal? Yes
Compared to a Mage? No
Compared to an Archmage? Of course not

Ennoia maybe

>> No.74751324

>>74751072
Yeah, they're theoretically capable of being destroyed, but as far as players are concerned they're insurmountable.

>> No.74752758

>>74751087
[Tzimisce] and [Malkav] are archmages themselves. I'm almost certain the Mage sourcebooks that claim otherwise are written in-universe by mages full of hubris.

>> No.74752781

>>74751087
Tell that to Zapathustra actually. Ante who's body was entirely missing manifests in the Shadowlands and the mages think nuking it back to nowhere killed it.

"That which is not dead can eternal lay."

>> No.74752911

>>74752758
>>74752781
Bitches don't even have a road of gold, undead motherfuckers. Get your soulless ass outta here before the aswadim show you what they're doing to be rejected by reality.

>> No.74753093

>>74747191
You have no idea how bad peasant lives was. Debt slaves-workers in Asia, Latin America or Africa are the most similiar to their lives.

>> No.74753117

>>74750746
Pulp or retro stuff is Etherite though. When I portray Union technology I open a page in Transhuman Space or Orion's Arm.

>> No.74753522

>>74740621
>>74741337
Actually, wait. Find a sub Tzimisce and dom the fuck out of them and they'll probably make your donger gigantic to fill the void in their soul..

>> No.74753662

>>74752911
>still hasn't realized the aswadim are the True Fae are the antediluvians
>hasn't realized al-Aswad looks like young mortal Caine
>hasn't realized the "daemon" on the Path of Golden Thorns is a distant Tzimisce elder in the Aether/Immaterium/Warp.
This coming from the faction that can't tell they planeswalk and need ancient and temporally distant alien Tzimisce elders in Atlantean ziggurauts to spoon-feed them magic.

>> No.74753690

>>74753662
Next you're gonna tell me the Annunaki are Tzimisce too

>> No.74753774

This Tzimisce-vs-Mage wankery makes me wonder: What happens to mages when Big T does the BECOME OF ME in Gehenna?

>> No.74754391

>>74753774
Who cares? They're separate game lines and the streams shouldn't cross, and this type of stupidity is exactly why.

>> No.74755333

>build systems so that they can be played with each other
>make playing systems with each other a big time mistake
How does WW do it?

>> No.74755634

>>74753774
Anything that isn't an Archmage and didn't specifically prepare for this unlikely scenario is probably fucked. And then you wonder what happens when everything on Earth combines with a million mages...

>> No.74755798

>>74751087
I mean in the sense that stat 10 discipline is plotlevel of power. Like potence 10 throwing mountains and chemistry 10 manipulating all of reality

>> No.74756276

>>74755798
>chemistry 10
Why would Zapathasura have been able to use this during the withering?

>> No.74756333

>>74755333
I think there's no inherent flaw in the crunch. It's all in the players and STs.
There's some players who I've encountered who could do a cross-splat chronicle. They're in the huge minority.

>> No.74756571 [DELETED] 

>>74750586
The faction books don't give the factions culture or history. They're still the same

>> No.74756962

>>74752911
>>74753690
Don't talk to the retard or else it's never going to go away

>> No.74757162

>>74755798
When Ennoia and other high Protean vampires "hold animals within them" how would you describe that?
Is it completely supernatural? Or is it literally "held within them" and you can see the beast merged with them?

>> No.74757195

>>74750586
The faction books don't give the factions culture beyond the obvious given their respective generic domains or history besides the same ambiguous Atlantis/mythical shit (inb4 FC) despite the fact all but one have existed continuously for thousands (!) of years.
It feels like each faction exists only to check a box and/or cover the most general character concepts. The fact that each faction is completely global and pretty much the same wherever you go (muh Atlantis handwave) emphasizes this.

>> No.74757621

>>74751087
>Compared to a Mage? No

Nah I'm pretty sure an Ante could fuck over almost all "Mages" (as defined by *not* being Archmages meaning they don't have any Spheres >5). A normal mage MAY be able to come up with a spell to fuck up an Ante just using combinations of 4-5 dots but anything with that much oomph will be vulgar as fucking hell and probably generate more Paradox than Prime 5 by itself can deal with. Also the Blood God can just krump them in the meanwhile.

Archmages of course Spirit Bomb them with a freshly made Sun and just get off Dox-free using Arch!Prime. But Archmages are dumb I-win buttons so that applies to Them vs. Everyone

>> No.74757763

>>74753093
Maybe that's just enlightenment (read: Technocrat) propaganda to justify modern civilization.

>> No.74758221

>>74757763
No, that`s history.

>> No.74758790

Changeling LARP book when?

>> No.74758914

Speaking as someone who has never read any Mage material outside what gets posted here, is there any reason for me to get into Mage if I have no interest whatsoever in being a smug asshole who thrusts his taint in other people's faces and commands them to say it smells like French Vanilla?

>> No.74758994

>>74758221
#notmyhistory
>>74758914
reading mage turns you into a smug fartsniffing asshole

>> No.74759068

>>74758914

Mage can be a pretty fun game of metaphysical weirdness. As well as probably one of the most satisfying Horror experiences in the WoD if done right since its not about "woe is me for a monster I am" but more about how human faults unbound by human limits create Hubris beyond compare, and Pride goeth before the Fall.

I would ignore most Mageposting, since for funzies most Mageposters completely operate on White Room logic and leave out the parts where Magik is far more complex to pull off than just popping a Discipline/Gift/Arcanoi/Charm/Cantrip whenever and wherever as long as you have whatever your splat uses for "mana". And that even successful spells can and will build up Paradox if you flaunt it (and sometime there is literally no way to make what you need to do Coincidental so you HAVE to go Vulgar or die). And there is always this sort of paranoia about getting *too* cocky because you can rewrite reality because you end up being one or two bad rolls away from messily imploding or being sucked into a Hell-realm or having a Spirit made of your own fears and inadequacies spawn and start tormenting you.

tl;dl Mage is fun, its weird, and it ties its horror gimmick to its mechanics better than Vamp and Woof at least do. Just don't mind the shitposting

>> No.74759119

>>74758914
You can play as a magic man that travels the magical world while also dealing with demons, cyborgs and all kinds of creatures. Or you can play as an agent of a union that protects humanity from reality threats with high tech. Or you could play as a sick fuck that just wants to end it all.

>> No.74759190

What spheres/arcana do I need to do this?

>> No.74759649

Thinking of moving from DnD to VtM for a new group.
How hard would it be to implement local culture/folklore stats wise into the VtM rules?
(New Zealand fag here, so River monsters, ancestor spirits, tribal warrior empowerment)

>> No.74759665

>>74759190
Forces 3/Prime 2, have fun getting Paradox`d

>> No.74759682

>>74759190
In NMage, Force 3. Have fun showing the crude realm a glimpse of the light, but be wary of those that watch over the threshold.

>> No.74759938

>>74759649
Sounds like perfect stuff for some changing breeds to be causing problems. Moloké, Bunyips, Camazotz and Rokea could be present for sure.
There's also some scope for interest in that with more animalistic clans, like the Gangrel, but I think a chronicle with metropolitan vampires struggling with the control of the authority in the cities, rogue vampires in rural areas and ancient supernatural forces wanting them out would be cool.

>> No.74760155

>>74757162
Given that the limit (at least in V20) is that every 5 animal Blood you store within you translates to 1 reduced max blood until it’s expelled, I would treat it as some sort of pocket dimension fuckery, as a 4th Generation vampire can store 200 rats at max. Also V20 treats that as 9th-level Animalism and associates it with the Tzimisce.

>> No.74760341

>weekend VtES
>14 people
>taking Ventrue Antitribu Bruise&Bleed (Owain, Blackhorse & friends)

Round 1
>prey is Assamite/Seraph multi-act, grand-prey is Stanislava, grand-predator is some Sabbat toolbox that for whatever reason plays Owain. and lastly predator is Carna Wall&Bleed
>Owain across the table is not a good thing, I can function without him and the other guy is reasonable enough to accept "I won't contest if you keep feeding me", still slows me down a bit
>prey takes advantage and starts pretty strong, I manage to block first Tattoo Signal, but not the second
>Stanislava gets Stanislava and proceeds to either Govern at superior or push some irrelevant politics
>grand predator doesn't do much, but honors his part of the deal
>Carna is a bitch and keeps trying to block pretty much everything for both Owain and me, her just reward is torpor (at that point the player has 2 other minions out, so he still has table presence)
>I'm able to get through prey's defenses but my slow start and his way too many Reunion Kamuts make it somewhat less effective than I'd hope for
>Stanislava pulls Xaviar, and Xaviar's first act is putting on Enkil, and start shitting offensive politics, ousting Owain's player on his own turn
>the good news is I can pull my own Owain now, the bad news is I'm not sure if I have the 2 turns necessary to do it, because Stanislava&Xaviar are on the roll
>I try to jump Xaviar, but to no avail
>prey puts similarly ineffective offense on Stanislava (the deck has just enough combat ends to shrug it off)
>Stanislava bleeds for a billion and burns after Carna bounces it into my Archon, but Xaviar's there to finish the job ousting Carna's player,making Stanislava player my predator
>I finally pull Owain, staying relatively safe at 10 pool, but Xaviar can deal with it (Reins of Power+2xKRC)

>> No.74760355

>>74760341

Round 2
>this puts me on last table, with just 4 players, prey is DOM power bleed, cross-table is Antonio with Nephandi, predator is Baali Vote(?)&Bleed
>prey pushes forward leaving himself open, cross-table does what's expected of him crapping 1-2 Nephandi a turn, predator pulls Xeper, immediately followed by Arishat and starts stealing 1-2 allies a turn
>I dwindle my prey down to 2 pool but cross-table keeps no real defense and gets ousted
>by this point predator has like 6 Nephandi + 2 Hordes + that other titled Baali and starts pouring down on me
>I narrowly manage to oust (and burn Xeper which makes no difference at this point) before getting eaten myself

Round 3
>still on table of 4, prey is ANI weenie with Aksinya (discard Master to bounce), cross table is Lasombra Vote&Bleed, predator is irrelevant
>cross-table has very fast start (2x Zillah's in first 3 turns) so predator needs to go into defense, I'm punching through prey easily (Stick gets Kiss of Ra) until he pulls Aksinya and starts bouncing
>cross-table pulls 3rd titled vampire, predator is down to single digit pool with just 1 minion, so I'm jumping cross-table, combined with prey's offense on cross-table we torporize one of the shadowfuckers, but it's not enough to stop cross-table from ousting
>cross-table (now my new predator) gains momentum, I can catch or bounce his bleeds, but but not the politics, Delaying Tactics only postpones the inevitable
>prey realizes the same and goes all-out, I try to use the opening this gives me, but to no avail and subsequently get ousted by Reckless Agitation

>> No.74760899

>>74758994
>reading mage turns you into a smug fartsniffing asshole
So it turns you into a Tzimisce?

>>74753690
I mean have you looked at a sculpture of one anon? Bogdanoffs are Tzimisce archmages in human form.

>>74754391
Boring plot. Especially since in the prehistory it was a dick-struggle between mages and vamps up until Tremere. But whatever, "separate game lines" head-in-the-sand BS you want to gaslight yourself with, anon.

>>74756962
I've been here for decades, lurking. Your doom is sealed.

>>74757162
At that level it's probably stored within a rift-space similar to a Gaki vampire's rift, kind of like an undead Pokéball, the animal isn't present in physical space until they release it, though you may hear animals growling or calling from within while the holder speaks. Not specifically "supernatural" but not spatial-sciences most modern humans would readily accept as possible.

>>74757763
It 1000% is, medieval peasants had about 75% more free time than modern 9-5 working-class humans.

>>74758914
To be the only rational and level-headed person in a group of retard-Mages.

>>74759190
Forces.

>> No.74760915

>>74760899
Wrong pic.

>> No.74761035

>>74646718
Augie, the fat fuck!

Augustus Giovanni
Clan: Giovanni
Sire: Cappadocius
Generation: 3rd (through diablerie)
Embrace: 1005 CE
Apparent Age: Around 60
Physical: Strength 6, Dexterity 5, Stamina 6
Social: Charisma 5, Manipulation 7, Appearance 4
Mental: Perception 6, Intelligence 8, Wits 6
Talents: Alertness 4, Brawl 4, Dodge 3, Intimidation 7, Leadership 8, Streetwise 4, Subterfuge 6
Skills: Etiquette 8, Melee 4, Performance (Music) 2, Ride 4, Security 2, Stealth 3
Knowledges: Law 6, Linguistics 5, Occult 9, Politics 6
Disciplines: Auspex 5, Celerity 3, Dominate 6, Fortitude 3, Necromancy 9, Obfuscate 3, Potence 6, Presence 5, Thaumaturgy 3
Thaumaturgical Paths: Movement of the Mind 3, Path of Blood 3, Lure of Flames 2
Necromantic Paths: Sepulchre Path 5
Backgrounds: Allies 6, Contacts 7, Elder Status 5, Herd 8, Influence 7, Military Force 6, Resources 8, Retainers 9
Virtues: Conscience 1, Self-Control 5, Courage 4
Morality: Humanity 2
Willpower: 10

>> No.74761641

>>74761035
this is great

>> No.74761908

I'm starting to not care how bad everyone says V5 is, they keep pandering to RedemptionChads and I cannot resist that

>Dev.Null mentioned in Cotaries of NY
>Serena confirmed alive (possibly as a Harbinger of Skulls) in Cults of the Blood Gods
>Now Kate showing up in Shadows of NY

Give me an Anezka cameo and I'd gladly die on their hill for them

>> No.74762028

>>74760899
>It 1000% is, medieval peasants had about 75% more free time than modern 9-5 working-class humans.
The human race and the world was unironically better off under feudalism.

>> No.74762061

oh to be a medieval peasant with more free time to tend to my patch of dirt

>> No.74762450

>>74762061
Yeah the discourse is fucking insane when it's
>loads of free time but can't pursue a hobby because I'm either poor as dirt or paying a crazy tithe
And
>quality of life as a baseline is good and hobby access is available but I'm caged in a job that is constructed to grind me into consumerism
Neither is the answer. Rise up and consume your masters.

>> No.74762471

>>74762450
>>quality of life as a baseline is good
hey, not everyone lives in Switzerland

>> No.74762561

Is this why Forces is the rootiest tootiest shootiest most energy-shieldingest "I would have been your daddy, but the dog beat me over the fence, time to rocket jump over this oncoming car" kind of Mage?

>> No.74762582

>>74762471
I guess that was far to broad, I'm from Bongland myself and things are about to get a whole lot worse with the private healthcare cabal being sold our futures piece by piece.
But generally, many people can eat well enough, many have shelter. Quality of life is definitely much higher than it was for the serf, in terms of basic needs.

>> No.74762855

>>74762582
The way I look at it is that we have way more possibility in life than out ancestors did, most of them just happen to be possibilities to screw us over.

>> No.74762945

>>74762471
quality of life is literally up everywhere on the planet. This is a demonstrable fact since we have a bunch of primary sources and census documents from states and the religious institutions from all over the world from "the middle ages". This isn't Bronze Age archaeology where we are trying to piece things together from some pottery shards and isotopic analysis of mummified bone. We have records written in languages like Latin, Old Arabic, and Classical Chinese that people today can read.

"A bunch of free time" doesn't mean much if you are more or less shackled to subsistence farming and don't have the capital to actually go anywhere and never learned the skills and talents to do much beside farm, smith, and do some carpentry.

The city dwelling people who could actually send their kids to learn a trade at the local guild-house or whatever had more options in their life, but their work life balance was far more similar to ours than the rural serfs. So you still had to put in a full day shift at the workshop or the store almost every day and didn't have access to modern healthcare or infrastructure.

Anyone who tells you shits not better just because "BAWWW I'm upset by Capitalism/Globalism/Modernism" is a prancing drama queen who doesn't understand that "not perfect" is still a fuck ton better than the non-rose tinted truth about the shitfest "life" was for most of human history for 99.9% of the population in almost any settled society

>> No.74763185

With how much wackyness i can get away with on VTM? My idea of character is basically fat neckbeard autismlord brujah thats obsessed in conspiracy theories. One of his quirk being that he hosts a pirate radio station known for him talking so weird bullshit that even malkavian would struggle to get it

>> No.74763228

>>74763185
Really depends on the group but you've definitely made more of a Nosferatu or Malk by the sounds of it

>> No.74763257

>>74763185
Looks like a more ambitious than average /pol/tard to me.
I think it's fine.

>> No.74763326

>>74763257
The joke is that nobody takes his rambling seriously and most of people listening to his radio do it to call him during q&a and troll him

>> No.74763366

>>74763326
That's probably the weirdest thing about him, honestly. Those guys can always find some idiots to believe them.
Maybe he spends all his time blaming the Tremere for everything and the kine listening just doesn't get it?

>> No.74763505

>>74763326
What if he has a small, fanatic fanbase that turn out to be mages trying to glean arcane xp from his obscure ramblings

>> No.74763803

>>74763185
Doesn't seem that weird to me, there was even a merit in the anarchs anniversary book that gave your character a "soapbox" other members read/listened to, so your character could spend 15 mins giving the anarch news as fast as he could and 5 hours giving his conspiracy theories

>> No.74764124 [DELETED] 

>>74762945
."A bunch of free time" doesn't mean much if you are more or less shackled to subsistence farming and don't have the capital to actually go anywhere and never learned the skills and talents to do much beside farm, smith, and do some carpentry.
That sounds idyllic though. Besides, as I pointed out they were hardly "shackled" to subsistence farming with the amount of free time they had compared to today. There simply wasn't video games to hold them over while their crops grew so they got discontent all the time and rebelled unless the local lord took them out for crusadies every century.

>> No.74764191 [DELETED] 

>>74763326
Remember in VTMB when André called Deb of the night? Research Tzimisce and have a creepy regular caller who may or may not be behind some of the conspiracies you rant about.

>> No.74764206 [DELETED] 

>>74763185
Just copy+paste my rants as a frequent caller actually.

>> No.74764329 [DELETED] 

>>74763185
This mysterious cute-sounding girl keeps calling with more and more wild conspiracy theories about alternate realities, vampires and "SERN".

>> No.74764377

>>74764191
"The Tremere are turning the freaking frogs gay!"

>> No.74764384

>>74764124
>>74764191
>>74764206
>>74764329
(replacing a quadruple-post to get us some post-limit back)

>>74762945
>"A bunch of free time" doesn't mean much if you are more or less shackled to subsistence farming and don't have the capital to actually go anywhere and never learned the skills and talents to do much beside farm, smith, and do some carpentry.
That sounds idyllic though. Besides, as I pointed out they were hardly "shackled" to subsistence farming with the amount of free time they had compared to today. There simply wasn't video games to hold them over while their crops grew so they got discontent all the time and rebelled unless the local lord took them out for "crusadies" every century.

>>74763326
Remember in VTMB when André called Deb of the night? Research Tzimisce and have a creepy regular caller who may or may not be behind some of the conspiracies you rant about.

>>74763185
Just copy+paste my rants as a frequent caller actually. This mysterious cute-sounding girl keeps calling with more and more wild conspiracy theories about alternate realities, vampires and "SERN".

>> No.74764405

>>74764377
Yes. The "Tremere" are turning them gay...

>> No.74764546

stat him

>> No.74764560

>>74764405
genuine chuckle

>> No.74764752

>>74764546
Old Clan Tzimisce
Vicissitude 3
Animalism 2
Potence 4
Celerity 4
Presence 6
Dominate 4
He's actually 200 y/o and quite young for such a famous actor.

>> No.74764852

>>74764752
>Old Clan Tzimisce
>Vicissitude 3

Uhh you do know the Old Clan define themselves partially on *not* using Vicissitude right?

>> No.74764866

>>74764752
Actually mostly correct. His Vicissitude is probably much higher as a Hollywood celeb, probably at least 6, minimum 4 as you need zulo form to be allowed to look that good, cultural thing.

He probably has mage pips too. Millionaire. Who fucking knows how old anyone is anymore? Keeanu Reeves is Emperor Jimmu and Paul Monet? Who knows how old Ben Affleck is then.

>> No.74764910

>>74764852
idk they seem to just use it more secretively, Old Clan made the Cathedral of Flesh after all. So he's probably not far off. Even if Affleck's a revenant I would see him having at least 3 in vicissitude but I suspect he's a vampire with many body-doubles stored in many cities to save on private jet flights.

>> No.74764917

>>74764910
i love you schizo-chan

>> No.74765114

>>74764917
I love you too, /tg/. UwU

Have two of my favorite pop-culture Tzimisces being cute beans like Tzimisces are in secret.

>> No.74765815

>>74762061
>drinking the technocrat koolaid

>> No.74767466

What's his endgame?

>> No.74767522

>>74762945
This

>> No.74767613

>>74750746
Void Engineers are retarded anyway. None of the rest of WoD makes sense when you have a functional dyson sphere in Alpha Centuri up and running. Talk about lowering the stakes to rock-bottom

>> No.74767660

>>74763185
There's nothing NECESSARILY wrong with this concept except you have to come up with an explanation why anybody gave this guy the embrace in the first place. Accidental feeding embraces (a vampire loses control, kills the human goes "ofuck ofuck" and embraces them to "save their life") can happen but the results are usually killed off unless the Prince has some reason to OK it (like they owe the sire a boon). So even if your embrace was an accident you have to come up with A) why the Prince or another influential kindred owed your sire a favor | B) why that sire was willing to blow a big favor, a precious thing, on your sorry ass. Alternately you can play an Anarch but that's a tough row to hoe, Anarchs don't survive unless they mob up so now you have to think about what you're bringing to the table so other neonates will let you into their gang.

>> No.74767807

>>74767660
Dude, most Brujah neonates are virtually braindead. He'd fit right into the nuAnarchs.

>> No.74768012

>>74757195
There's nothing wrong with that. The Factions are still quite broad and interesting if you can read at all.
2e did add more variety, but still. Your job as ST is to make things interesting.

>> No.74769208

>>74767613
When you put it that way I'm split. Especially since I've been arguing the stakes DON'T matter and it's actually Warhammer Modern the grimdark RPG, and then a Dyson Sphere puts it all into context.

>> No.74769483

>>74767466
sheit-posting IRL-WoD

>> No.74771770

>>74757763
No, its facts.

>> No.74773532

>>74768012
>There's nothing wrong with that.
Sure, I suppose there's nothing inherently wrong with something being boring and bland. You said they weren't, however.
>Your job as ST is to make things interesting.
See above.

>> No.74773726

>>74771770
If anything that shows technology has improved, not society.

Modern feudalism with educational public programming on the TV radio and internet, modern health-care (socialized or private), universal basic income, etc. Would be a borderline-utopia..

>> No.74773879

Are the contracts in changeling worth literally anything? The powers seem only okay, and the activation requirements seem kind of ridiculous and over specific for all but some of them.

>> No.74773990

>>74762945
>Anyone who tells you shits not better just because "BAWWW I'm upset by Capitalism/Globalism/Modernism" is a prancing drama queen who doesn't understand that "not perfect" is still a fuck ton better than the non-rose tinted truth about the shitfest "life" was for most of human history for 99.9% of the population in almost any settled society

This kind of shit argument in favor of the status quo always makes me laugh. Imagine being so pathetic that you suck the dick of your masters just because "things could be a lot worse." You're the very definition of a bootlicker. You just think everyone else should stop complaining about the flavor of the boot because it used to be shit-flavored and now it's artifical strawberry lube flavored.

>> No.74774221

>>74773726
whats there to evolve in sociology? humans are animals that kill and wage war. no better than animals. technology keeps us in check. without technology we would still burn witches, and sacrifice virgins.

>> No.74774663

>>74774221
Look, you can egg schizo-chan on to get him to spout weird shit about tzimisce but trying to have an actual discussion with him is foolish

>> No.74774686

>>74773726
My man that is pretty much Anarchocapitalism and yes it is the most baller sociopolitical philosophy

>> No.74774791

>>74773726
>Modern feudalism with educational public programming on the TV

I realize that you are schizo and also a retard, but you should probably consider why educating your populace and providing public goods to them isn't important to a feudalistic society and why that would never happen. Since you are a retard I will explain it to you: The only thing a monarch cares about is remaining in power. He remains in power via the influence of his closest vassals. As long as he keeps them happy, he will be happy. He doesn't have to care about the populace, because they are not who keeps him in power.

The only reason you are even able to get on this thing called the internet and have free time to play games and really--not be killed as a burden to the state/society--is because of modern democratic social order.

>> No.74774999

>>74774791
At this point I'm sure you're LARPing because this is such a bad argument it can't even be serious. Kings and other Lords had soldiers, administrators, merchants, the guy responsible for carving the royal chess set and all sorts of other people they not only relied upon but strove to satisfy just like leaders all throughout history have striven to please their constituents. Of course the population keeps a king in power, you're just arbitrarily excluding everyone but the lowest rung in Medieval society (who weren't even a majority--free farmers outnumbered serfs throughout the middle ages in England) from the population.

>> No.74775036

>>74774791
we're allowed to use the internet because it makes money for those in charge and provides for a good system of keeping track of the rabble.

>> No.74775455

>>74773990
He just said don't go back to a shittier past not that things were fine retard.

>> No.74775602

>>74773990
So do you know the recepy for the perfect society or do you volunteer yourself and your family for social experimenting to figure out the perfect society? Or do you just want to eat the rich?

>> No.74775654

>>74775602
>Or do you just want to eat the rich?
Implying this wouldn't lead to a perfect society, anon.

>> No.74775700

>>74775654
being this much of a gainer that normal food won't be enough

>> No.74775872

>>74775602
you dont have to know how to make things perfect to make things better. for example eating the rich would make things better but would not make the world perfect by itself.

>> No.74775943

>>74775872
How would it make anything better except your own emotional tantrum?

>> No.74775989

>>74775943
lack of resource hoarding would provide resources for those lacking. this really isnt that complicated, boot licker.

>> No.74776389

>>74764910
Thinking further on my point in this post: on Old-Clan 'eschewing' vicissitude, they really more use it to keep themselves in perfect shapes rather than cursing others or turning "people into chairs" (usually actually a digital punishment anyways, but that's primitives in VR being a chair. Usually.). It's like some old Dungeons and Dragons thing to them, it is a great honor to slay Abberant horrors while in perfect shapes despite being horrors ourselves.

Probably why I seek the finest cheesecake art and am an eternal elf-girl.

>> No.74777502

>>74763185
Cute-voiced Tzimisce caller: "You see-- no-- that's why-- no see all of these Hollywood celebrities are secretly vampires like me, see and that's why they want you to eat their cloned flesh, partake of their powers, see their memories; and love them even more. I was disgusted at first until I realized, I too, was a vampire; --"
Your PC, sweating nervously: "Haha yeah, you do often claim to be a vampire."
Caller continuing over him: "--and now it makes perfect sense in a 'Biblical logic' sort of a sense. Like how Jesus used his blood to multiply the bread using HIS vampire powers and necromancy to resurrect the yeast! Quite possibly an Imperial saint."
Your next caller is fucking IRATE at the tings I say.

>> No.74778529

>>74774791
The internet is destroying the human race. The virtual adepts were unironically 100% in the right when they tried to stop the technocracy from giving internet to the masses. Humans aren't ready for it, and may never be.

>> No.74778595

Had anyone posted oWoD dark ages? How is it?

>> No.74778678

>>74775989
You're the one who doesn't understand distribution lines to the point you start deep throating other boots retard.

>> No.74778773

>>74778529
Evolutionary weak people trapped in dopamine cycles by a device they get anxiety without due to the additive behavior patterns it lends it self to?
Nah sounds fake bruh.

>> No.74779013

>>74778678
imaginary reasons to not feed people are bullshit. dont need boots to understand that.

>> No.74779678

>>74774221
Yes, that's why now that we have TV. King good, taxes good, banditry bad.

>>74774686
Exactly.

>>74774791
>I realize that you are schizo and also a retard, but you should probably consider why educating your populace and providing public goods to them isn't important to a feudalistic society and why that would never happen. Since you are a retard I will explain it to you: The only thing a monarch cares about is remaining in power. He remains in power via the influence of his closest vassals. As long as he keeps them happy, he will be happy. He doesn't have to care about the populace, because they are not who keeps him in power.
This is exactly why so many old monarchist governments collapsed; they treated their peasantry like shit. Even look at how the British Empire collapsed, they were treating so many people like shit.

If you just keep believing monarchies will automatically treat their populace like shit, they probably will.

As you said it's about keeping vassals happy, and old-fashioned small-brains forgot their vassals had vassals, who had smaller vassals, all the way down to family units.

Those guys died, learn form them in a good way if you want to rule the world ever. because then you DO have to keep the populace happy, as they ARE who keep you in power.

Nobelesse oblige.

>> No.74779684

>>74779013
Your solutions sure do you authoritarian piece of trash.

>> No.74779941

This same motherfucker from /tv/ decides to shit up a goddamn world of darkness thread about economics and politics?

Fuck you, we have so many other boards for this shit.

>> No.74780053

>>74779684
>not liking authority makes you authoritarian
thats some mighty projection you got going there.

>> No.74780057

>>74771770
>14 out of 100 have not attained any education
>15 out of 100 are illiterate
apparently education is wasted on some

>> No.74780717

>>74760899
>It 1000% is, medieval peasants had about 75% more free time than modern 9-5 working-class humans.
While it's useful for pointing out the continuing exploitation of humanity, it's misleading.

You could, for example, contrast that with their lifespan - 32 years, compared to our 80 years.

...well we'll all die in a few decades from starvation, war, ecocollapse, social collapse, and so on - which will rather upset the statistics.

>> No.74781501

Monarchy, democracy, anarchocapitalism, transhumanism nothing of that matters all things will be consumed by the void

>> No.74782567

>>74780717
They didn't live only 32 years though? As long as they made it past the age of 5 60-80 was more or less guaranteed.

>> No.74782957 [DELETED] 

>>74780717
So they had shorter, richer lives due to the medical technology and sanitation of the time. Now imagine modern technology applied carefully to feudal lives and how well-off everyone could be?

>> No.74783040

>>74780717
So they had shorter, richer lives due to the medical technology and sanitation of the time. Now imagine modern technology applied carefully to feudal lives and how well-off everyone could be.

"Papa's gone hunting with the lord's men; but he took his cellphone, I'm heading into town to trade goat's milk for AAA batteries, stay here and watch your sister and enjoy your Spongebob on the TV."

>> No.74783109

>>74782567
>60-80 was more or less guaranteed
injury and disease could do you in at any age

>> No.74783293

Should werewolves take 1 unsoakable lethal health level for every blood point lost? What happens when a werewolf has 0 blood points left inside them?

>> No.74783343

>>74783293
I'd imagine it falls unconscious but still can regenerate normally.

>> No.74783859

>>74716770
Hey there /WoDG/, i'm joining my friends v5 Chicago chronicle and i'm debating between Malkavian and Lasombra. Anyone have any insights into these two Clans that could help out my decision here?

>> No.74784039

>>74783859
If Lasombra, how many former comrades are you turning in for acceptance into the Camarilla? Or are you just gonna lie and say that you're Caitiff?

>> No.74784137

>>74784039
That's a good question, playing up the illusion of a Caitiff could be really fun,

>> No.74784573

>>74780717
>their lifespan - 32 years
Pretending to retarded?

>> No.74784593

>>74784573
Well, fuck. Not even going to try deleting this.

>> No.74785397

>>74773532
Well yes. You're supposed to use those books as guidelines to create faction NPCs that represent those factions for the players. If you can't make that interesting, you need to learn to be a better DM. The factions aren't just some wikipedia page that the players have to read and memorize.

>> No.74787140

>>74783343
Unconscious?
Werewolves are tough but not undead, 0 blood points is dead as they come.
There's no torpor for awoos.

>> No.74787273

>>74780053
when you start to eat the rich, you become seriously authoritarian. Is there another way to remove the rich than to use violence? Also I don't trust you enough to want you to be the one distributing anything.

>> No.74787588

I NEED M20 DARK AGES

>> No.74788467

>>74761908
Kate was already adopted into Vampire though, she shows up in like 3 or 4 supplements

>> No.74790374

Thoughts on VTMB2?

>> No.74790532

>>74790374
hoping for the best, but not really. Will disappoint

>> No.74790836

>>74790374
it's dead, Jim

>> No.74790900

>>74787588
Hell for? MDA is perfectly playable, it needs no goatfucker's treatment.

Bonisagus is a cuck.

>> No.74791530

>>74759665
What if my paradigm states that non-whites are not humans and therefore cannot count as witnessed for vulgar spells?

>> No.74791578

>>74790374
Waiting for mods that remove all the SJW crap and let me say the N-word

>> No.74792161

>>74773879
also been wondering this

>> No.74792163

>>74716770
I really wanna try Mage 2E, but i fear my group is too brainlet for variable dice pools and target numbers. Is there a way to dumb down the system a bit?

>> No.74792202

>>74759665
Just Forces. There's not need for Prime, unless you want to deal aggravated with those slams.
>>74791530
Just get some Blatancy. Three dots, better five, and you can coincidentally throw refugees out of the window left and right.

>> No.74792673

What are some fun things that might happen if you "diablerise" a mage? I'm drawing a blank.

>> No.74792697

>>74792673
can you devour the soul of a mage as a vampire? I thought you can only diablerize other vampires

>> No.74792699

>>74792673
His body lives on an you've eaten the awakened soul, which rages on within you.

>> No.74792705

>>74792673
Nothing would happen, you can't diablerize mages. Only vamps.

>> No.74792708

Thoughts on the Werewolf game?

>> No.74792787

>>74792708
Which one? The visual novel looks kinda interesting.

>> No.74792853

>>74792699
>His body lives on
No.
>an you've eaten the awakened soul
You can't diablerize Avatars.

>> No.74793001

>>74792699
The only poster who parsed the word "fun"

>> No.74793132

>>74792697
Yes, you can only diablerize vampires.
You sort of can diablerize a vampire that used to be a werewolf or mage, but genuinity of such is only evident to some degree in regards to werewolf, since they keep (some of) their powers and nature, whole mage's "mage" bit will not suffer vampiric existence and would depart them moment mage decided to dumb down and get embraced, so essentially any embraced mage is no longer such, for all intents and purposes.

>> No.74793154 [DELETED] 

>>74792673
They die, you get more vitae than normal due to the qiuintessensce in their blood. If your ST was really cool, they'd roll a dice and give you a single pip in something the mage had to represent you learning from their memories. Perhaps leading to a grimdark mage-blood-addiction in a quest to learn more magic.

>> No.74793218

>>74792787
The one with the Ronin, Earthblood

>> No.74793240

>>74792673
They die, you get more vitae than normal due to the qiuintessensce in their blood. If your ST was really cool, they'd roll a dice and give you a single pip in something the mage had to represent you learning from their memories. Perhaps leading to a grimdark mage-blood-addiction in a quest to learn more magic.

Furthermore the mage's spirit reincarnates like normal. Rather than ever *actually* devouring a living soul diablerie can be traumatic as you're absorbing a lot of memories through blood echoes. Causing the aural taint of another consciousness swirling inside of you. You'd get none of this form a mage however, just scattered memories like a mortal's blood. Hence one pip rather than every pip the mage knows. It's not "formatted" for a vampire's mind like vampire-blood is.

Vampire spirits also reincarnate but most people don't realize this because of the amount of "personality" still retained within their blood-echoes.

>> No.74793269

>>74793154
Going with that headcanon, there's a good chance of getting Temporis, Addiction flaw (diamorphine, aids or somesuch nasty) and a bunch of derangements if you eat an ecstatic.

>> No.74793347

>>74793240
Fun fact: Vampir spirits reincarnating past diablerie can lead to strange interpersonal relations within Vampire-Revenant communities.

Among main-clan Giovanni and Inconnu Tzimisce and Eloi, it is not uncommon for an elder to be diablerized and then resurrected/reincarnated in a profane necromantic-insemination ritual. Calling the dead ancestor's soul into their dead seed or egg while copulating with a Revenant of the opposite gender. This causes the born Revenant to contain most of the memories of the dead elder, as if they had awkoen from torpor, and leaves them in a position poorly-suited to gain revenge, being subservient and blood-bound to the one who slew them, despite having powers and disciplines far beyond a normal Revenant from "birth".

>> No.74793476

>>74793269
I'd say if you got a pip in Time it can help you use your existing Celerity and Temporis better. Or perhaps upgrades Celerity TO Temporis.

"Spheres and Arcanas apply to Disciplines" is something from my childhood I remembered recently, when I was studying Mage and Vampire as a kid, The vampire Disciplines are actually founded on the Mage arcanums, but in a way that lets them bypass vulgarity/paradox due to repitition and the number of people using them in these ordered ways.

So for example to increase your Obfuscate to anime-levels you need to study the Sphere or Arcanum of the Mind (or both if you can planeswalk to-and-from WofD to CofD using Prime<->Prime Space+Fate<->Correspondance and Matter-Matter, that's just one set of combinations explained form both directions though.)

All Vampires need to study Death <->Entropy to increase most Disciplines to obscenely OP levels as well.

>> No.74793683

>>74787273
>make food for 9 billion people
>have 7 billion people
>millions starve each year
>everything is fine.jpg
it's pretty hard to get worse at distributing goods then having the majority of the world in abject poverty.

>> No.74793709

>>74776389
Furthermore this is why Old Clan living in new world often have adorable fixations on Professional Wrestling and UFC. They love it because it's, "humans" using vicissitude in a tournament of skill. None of it is fake, all of it is fake. It's intricate theater-combat with storylines in Pro-Wrestling and with UFC it's like watching "Revenants" spar in public since they go so much harder than street-fighting Camarilla ghouls do and there's lots of blood but yet little horror so quite refreshing.

>> No.74793954

>>74793683
It's not a problem of distributing goods, it's a problem of entire nations being turned into lazy fucking shits depending on gibs, and faggots that enable such laziness and cause overpopulation by providing them with said gibs. They have the best fucking climate for farming, most diverse array of suitable cultivars and livestock breeds, and they refuse to work a single day to fix their fucking problems.

>> No.74794054

>>74793683
ok comrade revolutionary, you go slaughter the rich, I'll watch your back

>> No.74794274

>>74793954
Hey come on, Europeans aren't that bad

>> No.74794278

>>74792697
>>74792705

This, mechanically you can't diablerize anything other than another Kindred.

That said, we had a pretty fucking good game one time where the main antagonist was a Gen 5 Tremere who used to be Awakened before she was turned at Ceoris during the first wave of Embraces by Tremere and pals. Who had convinced herself that if she ritualistically diablerized enough Mages she would repair her Avatar and reAwaken. Yes, that's mechanically impossible but the characters in the world don't know that its an "unbreakable gameplay rule for the sake of balance" they just know it has never worked in recorded history. But a former Mage, current Thaumaturge is probably the kind of person that sees that historical precedent and thinks "Nah, I'm sure I can find a way around this". Thus an almost-war between the splats that the party had to shut down.

>> No.74794342

>>74794278
Tremere can, technically speaking, go back to being mages, but it would require to jump through some burning loops and leave vampiric template behind.

>> No.74795328

>>74794278
>This, mechanically you can't diablerize anything other than another Kindred.
This, in addition to what I said in >>74793240 and >>74793476. It's not even really 'diablerie' just consumption of another supernatural type. No more 'diablerie' than draining a changeling or a werewolf as 'diablerie' is an in-culture vampiric concept in the first place. They don't apply it's rules to non-kindred. Aurally they'd be able to see that you did it with auspex, but unlike diablerie; no one fucking cares, you might even get a pat on the back for it.

>> No.74795486

>>74793954
oh yeah the problem is clearly that the entirety of society is being manipulated by those at the bottom. you've clearly thought this one out. way to be a fascist though. points for that.

>> No.74795548

>>74793954
the entirety of your argument is disproved by the fact that we have full-time working homeless people in this country and have more empty homes than homeless people.

>> No.74795580

>>74794054
literally the best response possible to an everythingisfine.jpg.

>> No.74795678

>>74794278
Thing is it's just there for gameplay balance and mechanical limitations. There's nothing plot-wise saying it can't happen, and quite a few precedences such as Samuel Haight, Tremere or Goratrix at full-power, and [Tzimisce] (as The Eldest) implying it actually *does* happen quite often.

>> No.74795722

>>74780053
>>not liking authority makes you authoritarian
isn't that exactly what Fight Club was about?

>> No.74795938

I can tell /tg/ has shit storytellers when it comes to writing the Sabbat, in my experiences LARPing they have usually shown up at a party unannounced looking like the people I was with, dropped a ton of Warhammer deep-lore on me, burned some Magic: the Gathering cards to summon a Bloodborne boss and kill me, waking me up to the fact the Sabbat were right the entire time to come crusade on /tg/ in Kane, The God-Emperor of Mankind's name.

Shoving guns in my faces at campfires and stuff, too. Wild ride. Not sure if it was high-quality airshit since it was dark, but damn that was realistic and completely fucking unexpected experience.

"Oh fuck, that's not [friend] and they're pointing a gun at me and this is real life."

>> No.74796100

Also this is the only place to bitch about this stuff and have anyone understand since /x/ is retards. I'm glad the idiots have just resorted to hiding my posts:

But olden-times like Greek and Roman era being a literate vampire was awesome. Rich vampires passing by seeing you trying to teach the stupid kine how to read signs would just take pity on you and hand you a slave and some gold.

These days you try to teach the kine anything the Camarilla comes and slaps and bullies you. Makes you look crazy by sending Malkavians after you to screech like an autist and punch yourself in public. And the Sabbat just act all mysterious and wave guns in your face and stalk you from even farther away using magics not even mages would believe in, and technologies hard sci-fi fans scoff at.

>> No.74797652

>>74793218
I got invited to the beta. It's really good.
Descriptions and dialogue change depending on stats, rage level, how others feel about you, etc, meaning each of my playthroughs seemed totally different. You really wouldn't notice the strings behind the scenes unless you look for them across multiple playthroughs.
The art is beautiful in its own creepy way, but best of all it gives a fantastic impression of the gaeou's world from an outsider's pov. It makes the both gaia and the wyrm so primeval and mysterious, drowning in symbolism and ancient forgotten secrets.

After playing it, it gave me a great new angle of how to run werewolf. I'm hype as malfeas for when it drops.

>> No.74797871

>>74797652
I sorely hope you aren't a shill, anon. We need at least something good aside from Deviant to make up for a long string of disappointments.

>> No.74798340

>>74792163
Mage the Ascension or Awakening? Because Mage the Awakening won't have variable TNs on the dice, just the # of successes needed.

>> No.74798495

>>74796100
i wish someone would hand me a slave and some gold

>> No.74798592

>>74798495
Same bro. I could dress them like a qt emo femboy or grill and give them hormones if they're a boy and...

>> No.74798755

Changeling LARP book when, anons?

>> No.74799741

What's a good kith for an under-the-bed boogeyman style darkling changeling to have? None of the ones provided seem to particularly fit.

>> No.74799902

I need help, my players last session flipped an oil tanker in a public park and blew it up causing a fight between them and the werewolf they were hunting.
In terms of Camarilla are they warning fucked or dead fucked.

>> No.74799926

>>74799902
Depends on how well they can damage control it before the blood hunt is called

>> No.74800094

>>74797871
I'm not a shill, for what that's worth. I was actually surprised I sent got a beta key. Just signed up for the newsletter and they sent me one for being "such a big fan of werewolf."
And I am, a massive fan, garou lore is my shit. So the fact that they're nailing the WoD vibe about how alien and tribal the garou and spirits can be has me hyped.
It's looking better than Earthblood, unfortunately. Without solid gameplay shown off, and after the graphics of that most recent trailer, That game looks like it'll be just "okay"

>> No.74800275

>>74799741
Leechfinger, Tunnelgrub or Mirrorskin.

Leechfinger you can drain bits of your victems life along with their glamour as your monster-MO.

Tunnelgrub lets you get into houses and under beds and into closets.

Or Mirrorskin lets you do the same by impersonating a room-mate or parent.

>> No.74802060

>>74798755
Probably when its actually released.

>> No.74802197

>>74800094

>Anon asks if Eathblood is any good here >>74793218
>"its really good! I was in the beta and looks like its coming along really well. Not like Earthblood, that seems like it'll be jank trash"

Umm, I think you got confused and mentally replaced WtA; Earthblood (which >>74793218 was asking about) with WtA: Heart of the Forest

>> No.74802242

>>74802060
It was released last week.

>> No.74802979

>>74717073
What's the title?
Slasher: The Undertaking?

>> No.74804534

I'm planning on running a one shot session to try to recruit some friends into a regular group. I'm looking for ideas for an urban legend themed scenario to last about 3-4 hours.

Any suggestions welcome.

>> No.74805146

>>74795580
the point is that the guy watching the useful idiot's back will gulag him the first opportunity he gets.

>> No.74805550

>>74787273
>the rich use violence to come into power
>continue to use violence to hold onto their power
>violent revolution occurs
>"waaah! stop using violence to behead us and take our shit! that's unfair!"

Get fucked, nerd

>> No.74805661

>>74805550
>the rich use violence to come into power
>continue to use violence to hold onto their power
You know that this isn't always the case. It's that way only in the mind of a lazy leftist who only knows how to destroy things. Also still wouldn't trust you to distribute anything and would gulag you the moment you started to revolt.

>> No.74806746

>>74804534
kindred vs mothman, it'll be epic

>> No.74806980

>>74804534
Bigfoot is a low generation Gangrel or a Garou and the new prince wants him OUT

>> No.74807024

>>74805661
It's important to understand that the removal of rights and subjugation of people through gatekeeping access to the necessities for life unless they allow their labour to be extorted is a fundamentally violent act as it is a physical force used to threaten or commit harm.

>> No.74807308

>>74807024
fuck how smart you are, though wouldn't pick you for my communal farm, since I doubt you know carpentry, animal handling or hortonomy.

>> No.74807519

>>74807308
I probably wouldn't place well in a communal farm, although I'd be happy to help with labor if I was in one.
I'm sure I could use my chemistry degree in another field that assists a community and not be exploited.
although you wouldn't have a communal farm would you? your other post was attacking the ideology behind that entire concept

>> No.74807760

>>74807519
a chemist? To the gulag with you. Anyone with a university degree gets gulag'd. The point of this thought game was to make people understand that "communal" life is simplistic and the only reward is in harvest.

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