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>> No.73742315

Post your dudes

>> No.73742323

Why doesn't brotherhood of psykers (1ksons and GK) work anymore?
Which rule is it that fucks them over?

>> No.73742335

>>73742315

>> No.73742336

This will not change in 9E

>> No.73742342

>Got beat by custodes for the first time in a long while
The extra command points and new stratagems really helped.

>> No.73742343

>>73742323
What are you talking about, retard?

>> No.73742349

>>73742315
Think I've more or less hammered the fluff out for these guys, still need a name for the warband though

>> No.73742352

I just realized that all my blood angels hqs are memes.... are space marines hqs good or im just being retarded? What’s a good ba hq besides the smash captain and Mephiston ?

>> No.73742359

>>73742352
librarian dread

>> No.73742367

Got my ass kicked by my friends ad mech force last night

Why are dreadnoughts so shite? I took a Redemptor and Bjorn and unfortunately they were both far too slow to get into combat. Redemptors really suck.

>> No.73742368

>>73742315
Cool sarge, anon.

>> No.73742370

>>73742352
>What are good hq
The one that gives you rerolls on fucking everything for 2cp

>> No.73742373

Will Guilliman turn out to be anything other than a recolored Ork in regards to how he treats non-humans and non-Imperium-humans?

People often call the Imperium Space Nazis. But in reality it'd be nice if some of the protagonists could at least be as nice as the historical Nazis. Even they had different race (as they defined it) citizens and client states, genuinely respected allies of other races ("Mediterranean" and "Inner Asiatic" as they'd call it), allowed states made up of members of their race to exist independently instead of being exterminated for insolence.

>> No.73742383

>>73742315

>> No.73742388

>>73742370
Ah yes of course that reroll guy, the reroll guys that’s let’s you reroll everything, THAT guy

>> No.73742394

I'm nearly done with my veterans, just the bases missing and I don't know what armor color I should give the knife hungry chaos marine on the base
dubs decide armor and trim and trips decide a name for the base rim

>> No.73742405

>>73742342
I'm glad Alarus and Aquilon actually get cheaper and Saggitarum are still 50pts. Can't wait to play my first game on next saturday.

>> No.73742409

>>73742388
Well all marines look the same and if you have your marine codex then look at the stratagems for 2cp. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out which strat I'm thinking of

>> No.73742413

>>73742349
How about Brazen drakes?

>> No.73742426

>>73742335
>>73742315

currently working on this while "Working from home"

>> No.73742435

>>73742335
I really like this color scheme
>>73742349
Give us a quick fluff rundown, might help with the name

>> No.73742437

>>73742306
How do we deal with the Astra Militarum problem?

>> No.73742442

>>73742352
Wtf are you talking about, chaplains, sanguinary priests, librarian dreads, and lieutenants are all decent at least

>> No.73742443

>>73742426
nice

>> No.73742458

>>73742426
>that "wtf bro" hand gesture

>> No.73742459

>>73742315
Still trying to think of some good background more for mydudes, I'm thinking they're kind of like Sheperds troops in MW2, not quite rogue but acting under their own pretenses apart from the greater Mechanicus

>> No.73742460

do we know for how long will we be able to order Indomitus as made to order, and what will happen to the second release in august?

>> No.73742470

>>73742394
ready for knifing you say.
Yet your shoes don't even have extendo knives.Looks fun anon

>> No.73742475

>>73742302

There isnt much else to tell, Stern start off the book lost and feeling cut off from the emps light, on the other side of the great rift.
An inquisitor finds her and the clown and asks them to join him, they do and then sneak off through the webway to meet yvraine, who offers to help them get to the black library if they bring her a solitaire, they agree and then go back to the ship of the inquisitor. The honk fucks off back into the webway to find one and stern goes with the inquisitor to a shrine world that's under siege.
She fight alongside some Sisters of the OML, some of them see her as a saint, others as a heretic but they let her fight with them anyway as she blasts chaos cultists with eye lasers and its not like they could stop her anyway.
The sisters are holed up in a shrine to a old saint that is built like a fortress and are being besieged by chaos cultists, daemons, daemon engines and reanimated SoBs that sing with the power to damage the souls of the living ones.
Stern leaves the fortress to go fight the big bad, a Word Bearer master of possession who succed the souls out of almost the entire population of the planet. He uses the power to turn another ENTIRE FORTRESS into a daemon engine and have it capture stern and bring her to him.
He tries to tern her into a chaos saint and it doesnt work, she gets re-empowered by the emp and sticks her sword into his skull, killing him and all the daemons he brought with him to the world.
The book ends with her managing to get a bit of the indomitus crusade to take her slightly off their course to where a giant and growing "nothing" is coming from. They get to this point in space and the "nothing" arrives, driving all the psykers onboard the ship mad.She gets plunged into darkness and Big E talks to her, pic related. She also realises because shes not affected by this massive "nothing" that shes not a psyker.
Pretty sure its meant to be the pariah nexus that they come to at the end

>> No.73742491

Necrons!

>> No.73742499

>>73742394

Average UK city dweller

>> No.73742500

>>73742475
>She also realises because shes not affected by this massive "nothing" that shes not a psyker.
The fuck?

>> No.73742501

>>73742315
First smurf I've ever painted

>> No.73742511

>>73742500
anons mistake faith interacting differently with the pariah nexus as in faith not being related to the warp

they're wrong

>> No.73742512

>>73742460
>second release in august
Already sold out
Mto is your only choice if you didnt already got one

>> No.73742517

>>73742306
>To settle the fight for the galaxy once and for all, the factions agree to basically the G-Gundam competition
>What are the mecha each faction deploys?
>What are their gimmicks?
>And how tight do the suit the pilots wear get?

>> No.73742527

>>73742336
Other than the point changes that makes this 2100 pts?

>> No.73742532

>>73742437
>If an IG player doesn't paint xis army in rainbow pride colors and have xer banners read "black lives matter" xhe is racist and a bigot
Stump out communism heresy where it is found. Deal with it accordingly. Do not let it grow. Praise the Emperor!

>> No.73742533 [SPOILER] 

>>73742475
Other bit I just remembered
Yvraine is the one to tell her that the imperium isnt destroyed, as shes been on the other side of the eye and didnt know if the imperium still existed. She also tells her Guilliman is resurrected and that humanity should be thankful to her.


>>73742500
See pic

>> No.73742535

>>73742383
that's some pimpin crons, 10/10 would play against
>>73742426
great base deco idea I like it
>>73742459
this is the first time I legit enjoy seeing this mini, looks much better with some equipment on it and nice paintjob

some real good stuff anons, made me legit check if I'm in the right thread

>> No.73742561

>>73742315
Gotta make sure to get that +10vp

>> No.73742568

>>73742535
Thanks, honestly half the difference is in the side guns, they ruin the models profile

>> No.73742571

>>73742437
Herd them to historicals where they belong with the rest of the nazi wannabes. Guard and their fans always made 40k look boring.

>> No.73742573

>>73742533
God that's dumb. I hope that's her own misunderstanding of her powers, and not actually hard canon.

>> No.73742579

>>73742573
Would explain why she doesn't have psychic powers as a model

>> No.73742581

>>73742426
>venomcrawler now costs more than maulerfiend and almost as much as fully kitted out defiler
I hate these new points the more I think about them.

>> No.73742589

>>73742335
these look nice anon but you gotta drill those barrels

>> No.73742593

>>73742500
>>73742511
gw tries really hard to push faith powers as non warp powers now for some reason

>> No.73742599

Any anons play 40k 2e? How was it? I’m looking to try 2e with me m8s next we all hang in the coming weeks.

>> No.73742600

>>73742315
Just finished this dude

>> No.73742602

>>73742394
Knifey mc-Knife boi

>> No.73742620

How would you go about painting your models to look like in older codices? I assume no metallics and pretty saturated colors, but what else am I missing?

>> No.73742625

>>73742581

Word Bearer CSM 14 Points
6+ exploding hits in melee
Reroll morale

Iron Hands Intercessor 20 Points
extra range and 1 AP on weapon
+1 Wound
+1 Attack
6+ FNP
Doctrines
Reroll morale

>> No.73742626

>>73742593
because that would create a dangerous gray ground and interesting conflicts within the morality of the imperium itself and we all know that in reality the imperium is a force of Good(tm) and cannot possibly be associated with the Evil side

welcome to mainstream

>> No.73742634

>>73742573
Her powers are described as "blasts of faith" several times through the book.

>> No.73742645

>>73742413
>Brazen drakes
no but entertaining nonetheless
>>73742435
>quick fluff rundown
A fairly recently turned renegade chapter, only a few hundred years or so (planning on mostly using units that are chaos equivalents of imperial stuff, like helbrutes and havocs instead of the chaos specific stuff like daemon engines and possessed). After Nurglite invasion ruined the resources of their previously abundant recruiting planet, they started stockpiling all the food and gear they could for the chapters use, even when that meant leaving the PDF and civilians starting and unarmed; this escalates into raiding imperial shipping for more stuff, putting them down a slippery slope that ends with them being greed obsessed pirates with some outright falling to slaanesh

>> No.73742649

>>73742315
Just need to add some blood and goo

>> No.73742655

>>73742620
green flock on the bases

>> No.73742661

>>73742600
Real fucking neat.

>> No.73742669

>>73742626
Really going to hate life when Living Saints are no longer greater daemons of the Emperor.

>> No.73742673

>>73742625
Now that even the FW options and Lord Discordant's are nerfed with points, CSM are truly going to be a shelf-only army. There's absolutely no reason to play them if I care about having a fair game.

>> No.73742676

>>73742620
>no metallics
GW's had metallics since the 80's.

Bright/clean colours, a good amount of (subtle) blending, black lining, and edge highlights that go to white are the hallmarks of mike mcvey's painting style. Look up any of the old 'eavy metal painting guides and it should give you a clearer idea on the methods they used.

>> No.73742689

>>73742475
This, in the Pariah book, is a very quick rundown of it

>> No.73742695

>>73742306
How do you paint yellow helmets so they don't look like shit? Base in yellow?

>> No.73742698

Do we know what non-Tau units can overwatch now or is it still a secret? I'd imagine flamers would overwatch for free so there's a point to taking them?

>> No.73742699

>>73742645
The Choir of Plunder?

>> No.73742700

>>73742676

that pic is Kino as fuck

>> No.73742715

On a scale of fucked to FUCKED, how fucked are the scalpers who have already provisionally sold Indomitus boxes?

>> No.73742717

>>73742698
There are no weapon changes until codexes release. They even say that although the storm shield has changed for Bladeguards, you should run every other storm shield unit with the existing rules until the datasheet changes.

There are no specific units that can overwatch for free.

>> No.73742718

>>73742459
>>73742568
Nice work, what paint did you use for the blue-green?

>> No.73742720

>>73742673
>absolutely no reason to play them
You will not be missed, weakling.

>> No.73742724

How does Jormungandr's "always in cover" trait work in 9th edition?

>> No.73742728

Thinking of starting a new army because i'm moving away from my parents and dont want to carry my current army back and forth and i think 9th coming out is also good starting point
Currently i have renegades and heretics, CSM and Tau armies. I was thinking of Tyranids or Dark Eldar for my next one, both would fit my current lore for "your dudes" too and why they would fight each other which is important to me.

Which one should i pick and how would i start?

>> No.73742729

>>73742715
Like fucked/FUCKED or maybe a bit less.

>> No.73742733

>>73742700
uh, i think you mean problematic as fuck, shitlord

>> No.73742734

so are emperor's children going to be shit this edition? I was thinking of selling my primaris stuff to get some chaos boys.

>> No.73742735

>>73742698
>>73742717

It will probably be in the day 1 faq for each faction they said will happen

>> No.73742738

>>73742315

>> No.73742741

>>73742728
>Which one should i pick and how would i start?
The one you like most?

>> No.73742743

>>73742734
EC are rumoured to get a massive overhaul

>>73742735
They literally released all of the FAQs for day 1 last night. Check Warhammer Community

>> No.73742747

>>73742741
The problem is that i like both

>> No.73742748

>>73742734

isnt there a rumored emperors children release similar to deathguard/thousand sons on the horizon?

>> No.73742749

>>73742655
>>73742676
so, bright colors, blackish shadows, edge highlight going into white/nearwhite, green base
I'll try this on a cultist I just found, will report back later

>> No.73742750

>>73742715
I already sold my 6 extra boxes so not fucked ;^)

>> No.73742755

>>73742750
Wait until you get the cancellations come through :^)

>> No.73742762

Storm Bolters or Fragstorm on a Redemptor? Everything else is going to be BRRRRT Gatlings

>> No.73742778

>>73742762
Bolters. Vehicles always rapidfire.

>> No.73742779

>>73742762
Doesn't really matter. Take whatever is cheaper.

>> No.73742782

>>73742718
The base coat and highlight is Sons of Horus Green and Lupercal Green, but this was also my first airbrushed model, so the basecoat has had a little bit of light grey mixed in the a couple highlight layers. I did more intense highlights by mixing in Gauss Blaster Green

>> No.73742788

>>73742700
https://classic40k.wordpress.com/2016/08/13/mike-mcveys-lizardmen-vs-estalians-diorama/

I'd post the other images but don't want to resize them. It's probably my favourite diorama ever. The release of WHFB 5th edition was fucking wild.

>> No.73742792

>>73742735
>>73742743
Sadly they didn't include that or a list of blast weapons in the FAQs. Maybe it's in Chapter Approved?

>> No.73742795

>>73742782
Thank you, anon.

>> No.73742816

>>73742720
Neither will with your kindergarten level reading comprehension.

>> No.73742820

>>73742699
>Choir of Plunder
thanks anon, I will add it to the list

>> No.73742821

>>73742720
not him, but im still trying to learn the game, and it already felt bad getting wiped off the table without much effort by my opponent before the nerfs

>> No.73742824

>>73742676
I saw this bad Johnnie in person and it was the nearest I've had to a religious experience.
>>73742717
>He thinks storm shields haven't undergone another redesign.

>> No.73742840

>>73742367
why is a unit that walks slow too slow? buy a droppod

>> No.73742846

>>73742792
No one else is getting free overwatch m8, stop being in denial.

>>73742824
I think every unit that has a storm shield is getting the new effects, but you can't use the new profile until a codex is released that has it on a unit's datasheet. I was only pointing this out because any weapon changes like flamer buff aren't gonna be until we start seeing codexes.

>> No.73742848

>>73742728
Dark Eldar have Haemonculi. This obviously makes them the coolest so pick them.

>> No.73742852

>>73742501
pretty good anon, they eyes and plasma let you down though I'm afraid.

>> No.73742860

>>73742728
Disheartening as the points changes are I think Dark Eldar are still going to be pretty fun

>> No.73742867

>>73742728
Deldar have the best aesthetic

>> No.73742882

>>73742846
I play a melee Deathwing army so I'm actually ecstatic.

>> No.73742884

>>73742820
I'm glad you like it. I think it fits the pirate theme and feels really slaanesh-y but not too much.

>>73742821
Tha's because 8th ed mission system was shit. Things will change in 9th, raw firepower won't be so important.

>> No.73742886

>>73742645
Shimmering Souls, chapter motto Solutus Inhio roughly Latin for wild yearning or need,

>> No.73742894

>>73742884
>Things will change in 9th, raw firepower won't be so important.
Until we get codex secondary objectives which will all be killy objectives

>> No.73742908

>>73742882
>I play a melee Deathwing
I gave up in 6th and sold all my termies.

>> No.73742909

>>73742860
how many armies do you have anon, I think I've seen pretty much every faction on top of that fryer now

>> No.73742911

>>73742695
yeah, base them seperately then stick them on after

>> No.73742913

>listening to lutin09 video about the inquisition while painting
Is there a more wholesome/soothing painting experience?

>> No.73742916

the only thing that i would change about the primaris is their FUCKING knee guards, they look so fucking retarded and break up the likes of the figure too much.
does anyone file them off their models?

>> No.73742920

>>73742894
As with all the other armies.

>> No.73742930

>>73742909
>how many armies do you have anon
that I actually play
>Orks
>Dark Eldar
>CSMs/Daemons
but I honestly pick up random models a lot just because I like painting and kitbashing stuff

>> No.73742944

who is the best/least cringy BL author?

im tied between Haley and Wraight

>> No.73742945

>>73742848
>>73742860
>>73742867
What units would be the best to start them with? I think i will likely play just really small games with the at start like 500-1000p
The start collecting pack seems like a good deal but that alone wont make amazing army i know that

>> No.73742953

>>73742944
Abnett. Don't read Saturnine though, it retcons so much shit, it legitimately lessened my opinion of him.

>> No.73742956

>>73742884
I sure hope so, I am not the type of fag who needs to win constantly, I just want something which isnt just the worse version of loyalists in every single way.

>> No.73742961

>>73742913

Cat ASMR vids while painting

>> No.73742962

>>73742945
You need Wyches and a Succubus so go for the SC.

>> No.73742966

>>73742945
>The start collecting pack seems like a good deal but that alone wont make amazing army i know that
The problem is the current SC box is wychs, which are the weakest of the three subfactions (though we'll see if 9th changes that up)
For 500-1000 points you'd want to focus on 1, maybe 2 subfactions:
Kabalites for fast and shooty but fragile
Cults for fast and stabby but fragile (if a little less fragile in melee)
Covens for slower but much tougher melee

>> No.73742980

>>73742953
the only parts i liked in sturnine were jagahatai's charge and Dorn dabbing the traitors.
i dont know why saunguinius is an anime protagonist now or why the p*rpetuals had to be shoved in there

>> No.73742995

>>73742649
Nice pube on the axe.

>> No.73742998

>>73742913
>simping for some lore faggot on youtube
this is worse than being a secondary

>> No.73743000

>>73742995
just as nurgle intended

>> No.73743003

>>73742908
While DW is worse terminators got cheaper at least.

>> No.73743007

>>73742945
You can get the Drukhari Battleforce (pic related) on ebay/reseller sites for around £100

>> No.73743039

>>73742593
faith and magic/warp not working exactly the same way is an old concept even in whfb, so is manifesting powers through runic/bound magic or non-divine patrons
but all of them ultimately work thanks to the principles of the warp

to put it in metaphors:
the necrons built a dam but they still get wet because it's raining
or
the necrons attached weights to everyone else but not everyone drowns because they can hold on a rope

as much as I understood it, the categories of supernatural manipulation are the following
>psyker/wizard: can thin or tear the barrier between mortal and immortal realm and manipulate the energies flowing from it, either at an instinctual, self-taught or learned method, depending on the use of foci and formulas it borders on runic magic
>priest: has a connection with a warp presence powerful enough to be categorized as a god that shapes warpstuff itself and uses the priest as conduit, the connection and entity can be powerful enough that the conduit may not need to do much, while some entities and connections need active participation from a vessel and may be taxing or destructive for the conduit
>sorcerer: has a connection to one or more spirits/daemons/souls that aid him in gathering and shaping warpstuff, similar to priesthood, but most often the entities are not powerful enough to be anything more than advisors, guides and minor contributors, requiring the sorcerer to still do most of the channeling and shaping
>collective mind: same stuff as priest but instead of a god it's attached to a racial soul, arguably describable as a psyker with more than one bodies depending on the degree of separation between the part of the collective and the collective

>> No.73743053

>>73742437
>>73742571
I just got into the hobby reading tg lore and fanfics and wanted to make femkorps of krieg like in that story, you mean I'll get shit for playing IG?

>> No.73743054

Now that the squatting Necrons are on their way out, what will be the next horribly outdated Troops kit to be replaced? Catachans? Grey Knights?

>> No.73743059

>>73743039
>runic magic/warp tech: the use of inanimate components to channel and shape warp energy, depending on the degree of the tech it may not need the user to have magical abilities of its own at all, if the rune/tech has an artificial soul or intelligence it may arguably be considered synthetic sorcery
>science advanced enough: no real magic; if magic, for example uses the warp to manifest a ball of fire in realspace, science produces the fireball by other means
>reality manipulation: no real magic, nor real science; if science uses components of reality to create a fireball, reality manipulation uses the sourcecode of reality to create a fireball without the components being needed anymore

other forms of technology and magic more or less start from these basics

>> No.73743063

>>73742953
>don't read any horus heresy books
Fixed it for ya bruvva

>> No.73743065

>>73743039
maybe its like the difference in sorcery and psyker powers.

sorcery is when someone bargains for power from warp entities in exchange for sacrifices/pacts, the world bearers do this, someone who is not a born psyker can obtain psykic powers through sorcery, i think this is how the SOB faith shit works, they're not psykers themselves but are granted power fby the emperor for praying real hard

>> No.73743068

>>73743053
Its just a joke lad, you'll be fine as long as you paint your minis

>> No.73743072

>>73742980
Because the entire horus heresy series is essential marvel comics with a coat of grimdark paint. How have you not figured this out yet ffs?

>> No.73743073

>>73743063
yeah at this point it's best to just hope that in a few years they'll do The Horus Heresy Kai

>> No.73743074

>>73743063
b-but Scars is good...

>> No.73743078

>>73743053
if we see your nazis minis we WILL be SMASHING them and getting you kicked out of the LGS

>> No.73743085

>>73743072
i have, im just reading it out of autistic completionist compulsion now

>> No.73743093

black or red bolters for templar?

>> No.73743094

>>73743073
>and other lies we tell ourselves
anon, stop. Hang up the capeshit and focus on your dudes

>> No.73743099

>>73743053
Only from the trannies and radical leftist who mysteriously happens to all be from wealthy families in white only neighborhood.

No one sane will ever take the piss because you plat a non primaris army. I wouldn't say the same about your leftover moldines, however.

>> No.73743100

>>73743093
red, duh

>> No.73743103

>>73743093
black

>> No.73743104

>>73743063
I was specifically talking about the author. HH being a dumpster fire is common knowledge.

>> No.73743106

Would this list work at 1000 pts?

>HQ
Hive Tyrant with two devourers and rending claws
Broodlord
>Troops
8 x Genestealers with toxin sacs and 2 flesh hooks)
8 x Genestealers with toxin sacs and 2 flesh hooks)
3 x Ripper Swarms
3 x Ripper Swarms
3 x Ripper Swarms
>Heavy support
Trygon Prime
Tyrannofex with rupture cannon

>> No.73743109

>>73742437
new Jungle Fighters kit with some female options

>> No.73743110

>>73743100
also add a white checkerboard pattern to it

>> No.73743113

>>73743085
rip in pepperoni anon, I'll pray you don't suffer much
>>73743078
yass queen so strong

>> No.73743117

>>73743109
>varbies

>> No.73743118

>>73743078
I want to rape

>> No.73743130

>>73742998
>mad someone finds joy in their hobby
glad i dont live in your grey world. Hope you'll find some colors

>> No.73743139

>>73743099
>>73743078
You weren't kidding

>> No.73743140

Anyone know where I can find some decent 3D models of minis to print? Just dropped 500AUD on a decent printer and am looking at running a few to get the variables right.

>> No.73743143

>>73743054
I would love a new catachan kit now that I'm done with my vets as it would give me some more beefy boys to work on, but sadly I don't think it's going to happen, ork boys seem more likely or eldar aspects if they really wanna get rid of failcast sometime now

>> No.73743145

I got the coin and dice bag early
They put it the same shipment as some paints I ordered

>> No.73743147

>>73742315

>> No.73743170

>>73743139
No, she's right. The Death Korps are clearly based on WW1 imagery. Someone painting them with WW2 iconography is a buffoon.

>> No.73743190

>>73742913
Baldemort's vids are a fantastic background to painting

>> No.73743192

>>73743170
Simp

>> No.73743198

>>73743139
>buy Kriegers
>paint them in SS uniforms
>give them female heads
>paint them as Africans
>paint the banners in the style of Nazi Germany but with trans colours
>conscripts as white cishet male penal legionaries with little yellow chaos stars to signify them as heretics

>> No.73743199

>>73743106
bro thats 1134 in 9th pretty sure.
so no it wouldn't work.

>> No.73743203

>>73743198
Can I rape?

>> No.73743204

>>73743198
I know you're meming but that video is pure kino

>> No.73743208

>>73743198
EPIC!

>> No.73743209

>>73743003
You still can't put them all in Deathwing assault to ignore the first round of shooting. I miss my 5th edition all drop list so much.

>> No.73743210

>>73743139
>the tranny police will be confiscating your models if you seem right wing
imagine going back to 2015 and trying to convince people from the past what it will be like in the current year

>> No.73743212

>>73743199
How the fuck do you know the points if there's no codex

>> No.73743215

>>73743192
Uneducated plebian

>> No.73743227

>>73743210
Just rape them. Left wing or right, all submit to the cock.

>> No.73743231

>>73742349
The Brass Plunder

Brass Orchestra

Cupric Retribution

The Scoured Sons

...

Which legion did they defect from?

>> No.73743234

>>73743210
I think there are more pressing issues to warn people in the past about

>> No.73743235

>>73743215
>WW2 imagery is directly drawing upon WW1 imagery
>the totenkopf was used as early as the Napoleonic wars, so it's not necessarily a Nazi thing to paint on models

>plebian
You can't even spell it properly, plebeian.

>> No.73743238

>>73742315
Still needs some highlights

>> No.73743242

>>73743235
>subhuman doesn't know

>> No.73743243

>>73743208

fuck off hans larper

>> No.73743246

>>73742349
the Brazen Bulls

>> No.73743251

>>73743204
>Simp
sause?

>> No.73743252

>>73743246
More like brazen balls.

>> No.73743256

>>73743235
>>WW2 imagery is directly drawing upon WW1 imagery
>this makes it okay
>mfw muh draws upon means I can say star wars draws upon wwii so star wars is okay

>> No.73743260

>>73743212
8x genestealers? bettter off with a 10 and a 6, at least the 10 will draw some token fire so it loses the extra attack. better off still with 2x genestealers.

>> No.73743261

>>73743198
>making both sides of the autism war mad
I love it

>> No.73743263

>>73743251
Deutschland - Rammstein

>> No.73743267

>>73743251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeQM1c-XCDc

>> No.73743268

>>73743252
Brazen Bulls were real things, and very Chaosy

>> No.73743271

>>73743251
what

>> No.73743274

>>73743235
>calling someone the simp meme
Yes, you are uneducated because you lack a superior non-meme insult.

>> No.73743285

>>73743274
I'm literally a postgrad student. Do you know what that is?

>> No.73743290

>>73743235
No anon. If you do WW1, do WW1 without any
>muh okay to do WW2 in WW1 bullshit. Do the German Empire, Tzarist Russia, etc. Now that's WW1.

>> No.73743295

>>73743285
Ngl thats kinda cringe bro

>> No.73743300

>>73743285
no one cares

>> No.73743302

>>73743235
>>73743285
It means you've payed money for your gender studies classes cuck.

>> No.73743305

>Fire Warriors 9 points
>Gun drones 10 points
Are they fucking with me? is this the return of Shas'Obama?

>> No.73743314

>>73743268
Brazen balls are real too, you're required to have them to play actual marines in CSM.

>> No.73743317

>>73742349
>still need a name for the warband though
the vain sin
the lustrious void
hecates' folly
the hungering pact
the head that keeps on giving

>> No.73743319

>>73743285
Sam Harris has a PhD. He bought his way to it, including hiring others to conduct research and do his thesis for him, but he has one.

>> No.73743320

>>73743300
got you to reply, so you must obviously care.

>>73743302
>payed
It's paid. And I haven't spent a dime yet, I don't live in a shithole like Amerikkka.

>> No.73743323

>>73743235
>if you're not painting your dkk like french trench bastards you're falling into a boring meme and deserve the same derision as a gray tide tau player

>> No.73743328

>>73743320
>And I haven't spent a dime yet
Time is money.

>> No.73743334

>>73743285
>I-I'm a smarty guys! See, I said I'm a postgrad online!
>t-that'll make people listen to me, r-right?
lmao

>> No.73743336

>>73743319
>Sam Harris
He's a pseudo-intellectual who doesn't comprehend any theology when he's faced with it in debates. I'm not surprised he's also colluding with others.

>> No.73743338

>>73743139
Why can't they go be degenerate somewhere else? I just want to play space army men in peace, is that so much?

>> No.73743339

>>73742437
7 point guardsmen.

>> No.73743342

>>73743334
Mybe he's a postgrad in meme science?

>> No.73743345

>>73742349
The Lustrous
>>73743320
kek

>> No.73743346

>>73742349
The shelf warmers

>> No.73743353

>>73743209
>3.5e airborne guard
>enhanced comms sentinel hiding on the board to re-roll your successful reserves rolls on the second turn
>drop most of your army on the board turn 3 and watch people struggle to kill them all
The closest contemporary equivalent would be genestealer cults, but it's just not the same.

>> No.73743359

>>73743338
ngl tho, painting those space army men as nazis kinda implies you're trying to get a reaction out of someone regardless of how many "I just wanna grill" memes you post

>> No.73743360

>>73743338
>I just want to play space army men in peace
This is exactly the reason why they attack you. They can feel you're scared and weak, just like dogs.

>> No.73743361

>>73743336
>doesn't comprehend any theology
No one rational does.

>> No.73743362

>>73742349
Brass Holes

>> No.73743366

>>73743336
He is but that's an example of a proud PhD holder who puts it at the spines of his badly written books. Just being a postgrad doesn't guarantee qualification. There are those out there who bought their way to a degree.

>> No.73743369

>>73743338
They want to play space army men in peace too

>> No.73743370

>>73743234
true, I meant trying to explain how much of a satire society has become in such a short time. you would sound like Alex Jones to normies just telling the truth about whats going on

>> No.73743377

>>73743361
This. Nobody rational can comprehend basic logical arguments.

>> No.73743379

>>73743353
Well, you can always do an all droppod list, but it's not the same either.

>> No.73743380

>>73743359
>trying to get a reaction out of someone
yeah, people who appreciate the aesthetic, including himself

not everything is done with spite of the outgrup

>> No.73743382

Another edition of “guard but worse” taubros. Anyone got coping techniques?

>> No.73743388

>>73743361
He can't comprehend how to logic either. I wonder if I can buy my way to a phd.

>> No.73743391

>>73742367
I was gonna sympathize, bit then I saw the Onager with the Eradication Beamer.
Get your shit together anon.

>> No.73743394

>>73743231
>>73743345
>>73743246
thanks lads, I'll add these to the list too
>Which legion did they defect from?
some random loyalist chapter I also have yet to think of a name for; I am real bad at names
>>73743346
>The shelf warmers
this one is a little too real

>> No.73743395

>>73743361
I recommend Boethius if you actually want to get some very abstract but fun philosophy of religion. He's also writing within the tradition of Platonism, so that's fun.

>>73743366
>Just being a postgrad doesn't guarantee qualification
Agreed. I've had some pretty awful tutors and known some arrogant PhD students too. It's just that other anon was using "uneducated" as some sort of derisive word. I think education is used for clout and a status symbol, rather than real thought.

>> No.73743396

>>73743234
Yeah like the LGBT cult. Oh and stop being cheap fucks. Buy your things locally and punish fags that make your phone for slave labour.
Do it the capitalist way and pay them half of it

>> No.73743399

>>73743380
>people who appreciate the aesthetic,
Homosexuals and their tastes.

>> No.73743401

>>73743360
Well I'd treat them like dogs, but dogs deserve better treatment then these crazies. Still what am I saying, the most obnoxious person I've ever had to deal with in a gameshop was a Tau/Eldar player back in 6th/7th who only ever played the most bullshit lists that just made it unfun to play. Perhaps it's all just much ado about nothing, I doubt any of them bother enough to play as opposed to just scream on social media.

>> No.73743402

>>73743377
>theology
>logical arguments

>> No.73743408

>>73743402
>he doesn't know

>> No.73743409

>>73743380
the aesthetic already exists in the design though. Adding the nazi imagery on top of that at the expense of the setting's "lorefulness" (as much as that exists) implies something else

like that you'd rather play a ww2 tt

>> No.73743410

>>73743382

>> No.73743415

>>73743369
Then they should agree with us when we say “don’t muck up the hobby with outside politics”.

But they don’t.

>> No.73743416

>>73743210
Things have barely changed since 2015, you've just gotten older

>> No.73743417

>>73743359
Considering a subhuman started bitching and moaning about my rush and badly painted guardsmen because they ended having red skin.
This idiots get trigger by far less things than astethically pleasing Nazi uniforms

>> No.73743420

>>73742998
This, fuck youtube faggots

>> No.73743421

>>73743401
>I doubt any of them bother enough to play as opposed to just scream on social media
And rightly so. It's called "vocal minority", just ignore those screechings.

>> No.73743423

>>73743408
Correct, I don't know of any logic behind theology.

>> No.73743425

>>73743402
Yes.

>> No.73743427

Any of you want to discuss things related to Warhammer 40k?

>> No.73743428

>>73743402
Yes. That's how fields like that work. Theological claims get disputed. You do know thay even arguments against the existence of gods are theological right? Just arguing about it with any degree of logic has logical claims thrown back and forth.

>> No.73743429

>>73743396
What the fuck are you on about you econlet retard?

>> No.73743430

>>73743402
If you study formal logic, it gets a lot weirder than your normal modus tollens argument.

>> No.73743435

hey anons, which Craftworld attributes do you think best fit Iybraesil? They spend a lot of time guarding/invading/salvaging Crone Worlds, and apparently have unusually strong waystones/wraithbone as a result, so I was thinking Master Crafters and something else.

>> No.73743436

>>73743409
Marines are the pedo army and for some reason people painting budist symbols are the bad guys

>> No.73743437

>>73743401
>I doubt any of them bother enough to play as opposed to just scream on social media.
More or less correct. Building and painting an army and learning the rules enough to play is a time consuming process which weeds out most of the undesirables.

>> No.73743438

>>73743427
Nope. Gtfo you nerd.

>> No.73743439

>>73743423
>he admits to ignorance
>mfw other anon saying uneducated applies here

>> No.73743442

>>73743427
wrong threade

>> No.73743446

>>73743429
We have to worn the people of the past about dumb things of the future.
I was doing that keeping in line with the time traveler anon

>> No.73743447

>>73743428
>You do know thay even arguments against the existence of gods are theological right?
That's just bullshit weasel words.

>> No.73743453

Bully me please

>> No.73743454

In other news, I'm almost done with that SC Eldar box, the War Walker is all that's left. I wonder if names really need to have anything to do with the color or can I just go with whatever fits?

>> No.73743459

>>73743439
>>he admits to ignorance
Only in that there is no logic in theology, so there's nothing to know.

>> No.73743460

>>73743453
Just say something ignorant about theology.

>> No.73743462

>>73743447
Son, you dumb.

>> No.73743463

>>73743453
no I'm too busy painting stormtroopers

>> No.73743467

Had anyone playtested 9th with the new pointcosts yet? Quite a lot of melee unit seem bumped up because GW thinks melee got buffed hard in 9th. Is this true?

>> No.73743471

>midwits trying desperately to sound more intelligent than each other

>> No.73743474

>>73743427
What the fuck is a warhammer 40k

>> No.73743476

>>73743439
t. Socrates

>> No.73743477

>>73743462
Sometimes, but not in this case.

>> No.73743482

>>73743447
>>73743459
Not him but that's true. Ethics for example. Just saying
>morals are fake/made up
That's discussing morals with logical shit. Dictionarys say theology is
>the study of the nature of God and religious belief.
Is anyone saying it ain't real DOES discuss nature of it.

>> No.73743489

>>73743471
>midwit is my new favorite word

Generally found in the 105-120 IQ range. These are the people who are considered "gifted" in primary school and perhaps "honors" in high school. In the same vein, they either think of themselves as "smart but lazy" or perform well in school yet do poorly/mediocre on standardized testing. May attend a low-tier university or none at all. Almost always very online, with strong opinions that lack nuance.

Midwits are truly cursed to be neither blissfully dumb nor reap the benefit of being of superior intelligence or a genius. They can grasp general concepts, but are less capable of digging deeper, understanding nuance, or adapting quickly to complex problems, leading to an entire middle class of perpetually unhappy, often vaguely angry people.

>> No.73743493

>>73743446
We whored out our future, our industry, starting with reagan and finishing things off with clinton.
We sold our future before you were born. "hurdur buy local" is an untenable meme and you'd have to somehow stop the ideologically monied greed driven upswing in neolib capitalism to change anything. You will never be able to change anything with boycotts and buying local post globalism.

>> No.73743497

>>73743447
>That's just bullshit weasel words.
Nice support.

>> No.73743499

>>73743139
But say anything about the Nazis, they always had a cool aesthetic. Isn't this enough of a reason to paint some? Can't I play the "villain"?

>> No.73743500

>>73743476

>> No.73743503

>>73743489
>They can grasp general concepts, but are less capable of digging deeper, understanding nuance, or adapting quickly to complex problems, leading to an entire middle class of perpetually unhappy, often vaguely angry people.

>> No.73743505

This thread is cancer

>> No.73743506

>>73743489
oh hey dats me sorta
it sucks!

>> No.73743507

>>73743427
hopefully, what do you think about the new crusade format anon, I feel I was given the impression they'd be 500p games as a starter level but looking at 9th points and shit seemingly a crusade 50pl list will be 1000.
I'll probably just homerule it with my buddy we start at 20-25pl instead (500) just to have a better time.

Apart from that I'm a bit salty lictors got fucked still. but shoulda seen that coming

>> No.73743508

>>73743482
>Is anyone saying it ain't real DOES discuss nature of it.
But it's not the study of the nature of god, it's saying there's no proof of god.
Saying you can' see something is not studying it.

>> No.73743509

>>73743459
You think 'illogicality' means 'something I don't believe in'.

Take the famous ontological argument, which uses logical deduction.

>> No.73743510

>>73743454
These look great anon, well done. What do you mean about the names?

>> No.73743512

>>73742306
Why are Arch cuck (formally warhammer) and his fans such fucking retards?

Legitimately how big of a spastic do you have to be to write an email to GW crying crocodile tears about excluding people when you're literally advocating for the same shit but for non-huwite men?

>> No.73743515

>they don't know I'm pretending to be retarded for attention

>> No.73743523

>>73743499
aesthetic was the one and only thing the krauts consistently did well lol. Well, that and propaganda
>tfw they were so good at propaganda that they US embraced it fully post war and it lasts till this day

>> No.73743527

>>73743508
>But it's not the study of the nature of god, it's saying there's no proof of god.
Anon, did you read what the other guy wrote? Saying that the nature is that it doesn't exist counts dummy.

>> No.73743531

>>73743512
I love how GW canned that shitty amerileft writer within almost a week of the arch thing.
Completely swept the tiny little rug arch defenders had from under them.

>> No.73743536

So what did they mean by this? Would the old faq not continue to apply to the brotherhood of sorcerers?

>> No.73743543

>>73743454
whatever looks best anon, the colours are a stepping stone to greatness. your paintjobs looking pretty good


>>73743512
why does some youtube e-celeb even matter my man. I'm going to sound like a grog but it's an increasing trend to follow the daily going on's of your favourite streamer/lper/whateverer. It's literally no different to the kardashian honestly.

>> No.73743546

>>73743508
Educate yourself https://dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/study

>> No.73743555

>>73743510
As in there are a lot of factions that have names that tend to have some correlation to their color scheme. Ultramarines (blue) Blood Angels (red) White Scars (white obviously) to name a few. So if I had to come up with a craftworld name, would there be a way to tie it in with the colors or just ignore that and go with whatever is what I mean.

>> No.73743558

>>73743531
GW doesn't give a shit about anyone. They give a shit about money. The whole "You will not be missed" is just another attempt to secure additional profits, nothing more. As soon as one leftist demonstrated that they may take it too far the other way and reduce profits, they got pruned from the company. GW is based because they tell both sides of the horseshoe to fuck off.

>> No.73743566

>>73743508
>It's making a claim about something so it's not making a claim about something
Nice

>> No.73743571

>>73743509
Not really though.
It assumes possible worlds exist, and that these worlds have overlap with the real physical world.
There is nothing logical about that, it's simply an argument that because god can be imagined that god exists.

>> No.73743572

>>73743508
No anon. To make any claim you need evidence. The scientific standard is that there is a god of some sort, based on the evidence of Aristotles unmoved mover argument or Spinoza’s rational geometry. Theology as a field is comprised of people either trying to elaborate more on these principles (Christian, Muslim, Jewish scholars) or debunk them entirely (atheists).

>> No.73743573

>>73743558
>GW is based because they tell both sides of the horseshoe to fuck off.
they're being very bing and bongpilled

>> No.73743580

>>73743558
Exactly, that's part of why it's funny how archfags think it's some ideological sjw plot/crusade to exclude them
No, it's because those stupid fucking retards are getting in the way of wider marketshare.

>> No.73743586

>>73743558
imagine employing this person

>> No.73743589

>>73743527
>Saying that the nature is that it doesn't exist counts dummy.
No it doesn't.
It's like saying you're a big foot enthusiast because you have never seen and do not believe in bigfoot.

>> No.73743590

>>73743531
>I love how GW canned that shitty amerileft writer within almost a week of the arch thing.
Remember how his subs threatened to boycott the Indomitus release?

>> No.73743595

>>73743555
You can name them whatever you want, my man. There's no rule that custom factions have to be named after their color scheme.

>> No.73743596

>>73743489
>perpetually unhappy, often vaguely angry people.
This can be fixed, and really it's the only thing it should be fixed.

>> No.73743601

...am I reading this right or tarded? if I attacked with the 6x3 profile and get, say, 9 six rolls, that's an additional 27 swings I can take?

>> No.73743602

>>73743543
You're right about that and I don't really follow anyone. Unfortunately when the YouTube algorithm throws his shit at me I can't help it too much. I don't really get all the twitch streamer following culture either.

His latest video just seemed like he's in some bizarro-world, he's clearly out of his intellectual depth and it's a shame people have gotten suckered in. It just pushes pointless strife in a hobby I enjoy.

But that's my /blog post

>> No.73743607

>>73743571
>It assumes possible worlds exist
If you study logic at a university, they will tell you that logic means that possible worlds exist on the first day. That's part of what logic is about: the study of grammar. If I wrote a sentence that is impossible in all worlds, then I don't know how I could come up with it.

>> No.73743608

>>73743572
>To make any claim you need evidence.
Not when you're making a counter-claim against something that has no evidence.

>> No.73743609

>>73743586
>Suicide attempt survivor

>> No.73743621

>>73743586
>attempted suicide
That's quitter talk, he should do it again till he gets it right.

>> No.73743627

>>73743571
Not that guy but this is shitposting. For one, the argument approaches the idea of God as a necessary being, making God's existence a self-evident fact, something can be deduced by considering God's nature alone, just like the nature of geometry can be deduced considering the nature of shapes. Many feel that the argument doesn't hold up, but explaining why it doesn't is generally considered to be a very difficult thing to do, requiring you to wrestle with deep metaphysical and epistemological issues. Any treatment of the issue then, even by someone who disagrees with it, should be taken with some degree of respect. This isn't just some "lol it isn't".

Next, it IS logical in its form and more. Saying it's not logical has nothing to do with that. If it's a valid argument, it's valid even if it's false. Do you know anything of logic and reason?

>> No.73743629

Anyone got pictures of things that are painted "wrong".

Like examples of people who painted the both sides of the dark imperium set like Ultramarines.

>> No.73743634

>>73743609

I don't understand, why would you want people to know that? He's just outed himself as both a quitter and as incompetent.

>> No.73743638

>>73743416
I have become more jaded, yes, but if I told you in like 2012 that if we keep going down the path we were on militant trannies are going to go around tearing down statues and attacking people for being about as right wing as Bill Clinton during his presidency, you would say I am a crazy person
I would have told myself to just take the black legion pill and get it over with

>> No.73743640

>>73743572
corporations only care about money, thats how it has always been

Why the fuck do people not get it and instead continue to attack each other to try and scurry favor with the entity milking them for cash?

>> No.73743641

>>73743609
I've tried a few times but I would never put it in a bio. Also nearly most male writers think about suicide, so it makes sense even a shit publisher like Black Library has them employed.

>> No.73743642

>>73743607
>If you study logic at a university, they will tell you that logic means that possible worlds exist on the first day.
I did a class on logic and they never mentioned that.
Even if we assume that there are possible worlds, that these worlds infringe on our own is an assumption that cannot be borne out.

>> No.73743644

>>73743555
If you use the custom Craftworld rules you can have your own non-official Craftworld you can name whatever you like. Mine's called Dagollach

>> No.73743645

>>73743586
>>73743609
>P-please pay attention to my previous plea for attention!
Every time, holy shit it's hilariously pathetic.

>> No.73743646

>>73743338
40k is an autism magnet and theres a high percentage of transsexuals that are autistic.

>> No.73743647

>>73743586
>suicide survivor
why does he think its something to show off/be proud of, so he displays it in his bio?

>> No.73743648

>>73743571
>It assumes possible worlds exist, and that these worlds have overlap with the real physical world.
>>73743608
>Not when you're making a counter-claim against something that has no evidence.
Shit anon, I haven't seen this incompetence at philosophy in a long time.

>> No.73743654

>>73743608
But as I said earlier, the unmoved mover argument is evidenced. It’s up to the counter claimers to prove that it’s not.

Please don’t wilfully ignore things for the sake of prolonging this petty disagreement.

>> No.73743662

>>73743640
ok I pressed the wrong fucking message damn this choppy internet

>> No.73743668

>>73743642
>I did a class on logic and they never mentioned that.
STEM who took several philosophy classes here, they mentioned it day 1 in all of them.
>Even if we assume that there are possible worlds, that these worlds infringe on our own is an assumption that cannot be borne out.
Does anon have any idea what he's talking about?

>> No.73743669

>>73743627
>For one, the argument approaches the idea of God as a necessary being
Which is bullshit and not logical.
It falls down from the beginning.

>> No.73743681

>>73743601
>if I attacked with the 6x3 profile and get, say, 9 six rolls, that's an additional 27 swings I can take?

That's correct, yes.

>> No.73743682

>>73743669
Ok so how does it fail?

>> No.73743685

>>73743644
That's a baller Dire Avenger, the symbols on the banner freehand? Yeah, I guess I could. I was thinking calling them Tatenga and see if anyone would catch the reference.

>> No.73743686

>>73743629
Here you are anon, here's a bunch of raven guard from the old raven vs red corsairs box made into factionless renegades

>> No.73743691

Press D to dab on scalpniggers

>> No.73743694

>>73742315

>> No.73743697

>>73743505
yeah nazis ruin everything :/

>> No.73743702

>>73743669
>Which is bullshit and not logical.
>It falls down from the beginning.
That's not how "logical" in this case works. A logical argument can be show true or false. Also, in discussing this you're in a theological debate. One which you're making vapid assertions in. Please educate yourself.

>> No.73743705

>>73743648
>Shit anon, I haven't seen this incompetence at philosophy in a long time.
It's called not falling for cheap tricks.

>>73743654
>But as I said earlier, the unmoved mover argument is evidenced.
It's not.

>>73743668
>STEM who took several philosophy classes here, they mentioned it day 1 in all of them.
Not to me.
>Does anon have any idea what he's talking about?
Yes. If you have studied stuff based on nonsense that's fine, but don't expect me to believe it, just because a lecturer told you so.

>> No.73743709

>>73743694
they... look... good?

>> No.73743710

>>73743642
>>73743668
hes talking about logic classes, and nothing about possible other worlds belongs in a logic class, as logic is just a tool for description/proving etc., not something that can and/or should make assumptions about anything.

in philosophy classes sure, I dont know anything about philosophy

>> No.73743711

>>73743691
brainlets think scalpers are hurt in any way by this announcement

paypiggies arent going to wait till September to get their box

>> No.73743713

>>73743694
You might want to retake that photo anon, that shit is like something from the 90's with all that pixelation.

>> No.73743717

>>73743686
dark angels rather, sorry I don't know the flavours of marines

>> No.73743720

>>73743642
>Even if we assume that there are possible worlds, that these worlds infringe on our own is an assumption that cannot be borne out.
This is a massive misunderstanding of the argument. It's not so much "worlds infringe on our own". The average philosophy 101 student can't understand why the argument is dubious. Common responses to this argument tend to be terrible, and rest on just not understanding what Anselm is saying. (Which isn't surprising, given the unfamiliarity the average person has with medieval metaphysics which provides Anselm's context, and the relative obscurity of his argument.)

>> No.73743725

>>73743682
There's nothing to suggest that god is a necessary being.
If you start off assuming that god is necessary then of course that points to the existence of god because you make him necessary.

>> No.73743727

>>73743710
Logic is philosophy you idiot. Are you a highschooler or something?

>> No.73743728

>>73743558
>>73743580
Sigmarxism organized the hit on Arch. The thing about all this its clear the suits over at GW don't give a fuck but GW is still full of people who sympathize or believe in the culture war.
On one hand people say SJWs don't exist but on the other we have 40k books with tumblr pronouns, a promise to phase out boobplate, etc etc.
Look at the reaction to this guy's firing >>73743586
People said that the 'you will not be missed' message from WHCommunity meant GW employees were free to attack parts of the community willy nilly.

>> No.73743732

>>73743710
>hes talking about logic classes
>>73743705
>It's called not falling for cheap tricks.
>It's not
>Not to me
You're not doing very well at this "logic" thing. Both of you.

>> No.73743736

>>73743694

is that CnC Tiberium Dawn?

>> No.73743737

*is useless in your path*

>> No.73743744

>>73743507
Not looked at crusade much because i know my group will not want to play it.

I was finally getting my brother to enjoy things again after his relationship went belly up by getting him back into 40k with our friends but his Deldar seem to have been obliterated with these point hikes.
As for Lictors at least they have some use now as homing beacons with the Pheromone trail stratagem

>> No.73743747

>>73743710
Please read https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-classical/
>Today, logic is a branch of mathematics and a branch of philosophy. In most large universities, both departments offer courses in logic, and there is usually a lot of overlap between them. Formal languages, deductive systems, and model-theoretic semantics are mathematical objects and, as such, the logician is interested in their mathematical properties and relations. Soundness, completeness, and most of the other results reported below are typical examples. Philosophically, logic is at least closely related to the study of correct reasoning. Reasoning is an epistemic, mental activity. So logic is at least closely allied with epistemology. Logic is also a central branch of computer science, due, in part, to interesting computational relations in logical systems, and, in part, to the close connection between formal deductive argumentation and reasoning (see the entries on recursive functions, computability and complexity, and philosophy of computer science).

>> No.73743748

>>73742673
You can always play any of the older editions that weren’t nearly as cash grabby and allowed you to make fun and fluffy lists without being a literally useless army. It’s clear that 9th edition is marines only edition and primaris at that. It’s not being made for fun and games anymore it’s made to sell models.

>> No.73743751

>>73743737
What is? deathwatch? vanguard? lightning claws? storm shields? all of the above?

>> No.73743754

>>73743702
>A logical argument can be show true or false.
It's useless if you begin with the assumption that your desired end state is true.

>> No.73743761

>>73743609
>>73743647

If you read the Twitter thread of him getting fired it's just him crying about how fucked his life is for attention.

His wife quit her job due to PTSD, he was their only source of income, they have cats, life isn't fair...

>> No.73743764

>>73743725
>There's nothing to suggest that god is a necessary being.
Not him but it does not assume it. That is one of the things it deduces.

>> No.73743766

>>73743748
>It’s not being made for fun and games anymore it’s made to sell models.
Thats always been the case, numbnuts.

>> No.73743767

>>73743737
With the new cover rules, jump pack vanguard are pretty good. You can actually protect them and use them as a counterpunch, albeit of the glass cannon variety.

>> No.73743768

>>73743685
Thanks, he's actually an old Autarch. With a Dire Avenger arm and Banshee glaive. The banners are sculpted, from Prince Yriel. I've done some freehand though
>Tatenga
It's going over my head anon

>> No.73743771

>>73743748
But no one wants to play older editions with me.

>> No.73743772

>>73743720
I get what he's saying, I just don't accept that chain of events as he lays them out.

>> No.73743779

>>73743754
First off, I don't care. The question is if the subject is a logical field of study and works on logical rules. It does. Case closed, anything else is irrelevant. Secondly, I've read the argument itself and it doesn't do that. I'm going to need to see the logical form of it you've seen which does.

>> No.73743781

>>73743744
ooh yeah I tried that as a demo game last week with (8th ed points) , lictor brought in a warrior squad which was neat. but i've got to figure out what the lictor should be bringing in most because warriors suck.

Maybe play some crusade and just make a friendly list against him? fluffy games always make me happy at least.

>> No.73743785

>>73742405
>aquilon got cheaper
link? it isn't in the big google doc and the pdf from forgeworld looks the same

>> No.73743786

>>73743210
Late stage of the mouse utopia.
We are currently past the "beautiful ones" step and near the total collapse under the pressure of the asocial mice.

>> No.73743787

>>73743732
>You're not doing very well at this "logic" thing.
I am, but all I can say is that I have taken a class on logic and nobody started talking about possible worlds to me.

>> No.73743797

>>73743772
>I get what he's saying
Do you really? The massive amount of people I've seen dabble into medieval metaphysics virtually always unknowingly gets much terribly incorrect.

>> No.73743798

Do Black Templars have anything going for them ruleswise these days? Thinking about keeping my Indomitus marine half and starting a small Black Templar army

>> No.73743802

>>73743764
>Not him but it does not assume it.
It does by assuming that possible worlds are in essence real.

>> No.73743804

>>73743787
>I am
Doubtful.

>> No.73743808

>>73743779
>It does. Case closed
It doesn't though because it assumes thing are true without evidence.

>> No.73743809

>>73743590
Lmao as if the kind of hypetrain pay piggy that watches YT 40k vids could ever stop themselves from buying more Primaris. Archfags are the kind of guys who didn't even wait for the Made-to-order and probably got robbed by a scalper day one and bragged about it in his comments section

>> No.73743821

>2020 I'm still not a profitable mold becuase i don't have good rules in either game im present in
I dont know why anyone would intentionally release a product for a game that they intentionally make the rules bad. "Cool model only" you can get by with on smaller more affordable kits, but big expensive ones would see more sales with even just B-/B level rules

>> No.73743822

>>73743728
That part of the community was insulting and threatening another part of the community for how they paint their models you stupid cunt. I don't care that basednado was fired but it's not like he attacked some innocent fans minding their own business, as far as I can tell.

The only xir pronouns were used by some mechanicus freak or other demon creatures so who cares? It's the most milquetoast and weakest way to inject any of that shit. I don't like it but in a setting like 40k it's so minor who cares? I'd much rather they stop ADB from shitting up the setting further.

>> No.73743823

>>73743802
>It does by assuming that possible worlds are in essence real.

>> No.73743827

>>73743797
>Do you really?
Yeah.

>> No.73743829

>>73743590
>>73743809
Whose subs are you referring to? The supporters of the writer did the same including Kiroth and Valrak and they have 5 boxes between them.

>> No.73743830

As an aspiring necron player. Are the doomsday ark / ghost ark as painful to assemble and paint as they look?

>> No.73743831

>>73742405
is that from video? I cant find a fw write up anywhere

>> No.73743833

>>73743802
>>73743808
I haven't seen such stupidity in a long time.
>assuming
Doesn't in any version I've seen. Show where it does
>assumes things are true without evidence
Welcome to philosophy where physical evidence is very unlikely to be found. Please don't do math either.

>> No.73743835

>>73743804
Doubt is good.
You should doubt theologians more.

>> No.73743839

>>73743586
For fuck sake I tried to put a bullet to my head. It never cross my mind to advertise it in social media.
It was already a dumb desicion no need advertise you are a dumb cunt

>> No.73743843

>>73743797
Why are you bothering? Nearly everyone reacts by seething whenever they hear about Anselm. I have no idea why, I found it so interesting, even if I just ended up defending Anselmian philosophy like a fanboy.

Also lets remember this:
>the fool who says in his heart that there is no God

>> No.73743846

>>73743198
unironically sounds based

>> No.73743848

>>73743809
GW wins either way because its not like they're going to ever stop buying shit. Instead they try and become more significant in the community to prove they matter and "force" GW to give them attention

Culture war or not, GW is selling the weapons and is raking a profit

>> No.73743856

>>73743768
It's the original name for the planet Doom was supposed to take place on before it was changed to the moons of Mars.

>> No.73743858

>>73743802
>It does by assuming that possible worlds are in essence real.
This is so wrong it's not even funny. It's an argument about how you literally can't conceive of a god not existing in the current world.

>> No.73743860

>>73743727
>are you a highschooler or something?
I teach logic to Math and IT at university not as a professor mind you, im a scientific helper
>Logic is philosophy
>>73743747
this clearly underlines my point of logic being used as a tool in philosophy, tho, and as such any assumptions about something have no place in logic classes itself

Im guessing either what im trying to say is lost in translation or I should probably read the full reply chain before awnsering, in case he ment something different, but im too busy trying to paint models, so you guys go on ahead and argue about whatever on your own.

>> No.73743861

>>73743856
Fuck me, I thought I was good on Doom trivia

>> No.73743862

>>73743833
>Doesn't in any version I've seen. Show where it does
The one posted in this thread.
It assumes god possibly exists and all possible worlds must exist so god must exist.
>Welcome to philosophy where physical evidence is very unlikely to be found.
If you admit there's no evidence then you may as well admit you're just playing pretend.

>> No.73743864

>>73743835
Meaningless as they do that to each other all the time.

>> No.73743865

>>73743766
Maybe for the last 4~editions it’s been a product instead of a hobby. Yes you always have to sell product to stay in business but GW very much was about fun and hobbling and gaming back in the day. It was the mid/late 00s that they became a soulless corporation that expects you to buy monopose kits and never convert and pay exorbitant prices for 3-5 models of which you’ll want 3 squads of 10.

>> No.73743871

>>73743858
>It's an argument about how you literally can't conceive of a god not existing in the current world.
Yeah, that's the end state, god = real. But the logical path to get there simply doesn't work if you don't accept that logical that all possible worlds must exist and interface with this one.

>> No.73743873

>>73743862
>If you admit there's no evidence
>mfw anon is illiterate
>mfw anon is dissing mathematics too

>> No.73743880

So I rolled up a chapter because I had nothing better to do, and ended up with an Iron Hands successor chapter on a feral world with esoteric beliefs and scholar knights for chapter training. At least now I have a chapter to use the sabertooth skull as a symbol. Not sure how you get scholars out of mixing Iron Hands with cavemen but okay.

>> No.73743882

How the fuck did Tau end up getting buffed this edition? Why the fuck did they get buffed?

>> No.73743884

>>73743862
>The one posted in this thread.
>It assumes god possibly exists and all possible worlds must exist so god must exist.
Empty assertions are not valuable. Cite the portions and explain how each applies.
>no evidence
Physical evidence is not present in philosophy very often for good reason. It doesn't make a sound argument any less airtight.

>> No.73743885

>>73743860
Did you manage to have a worst education than my third world country could provide? Impressive

>> No.73743886

>>73743873
Not really, mathematics is proven to be able to predict stuff.
Garbage philosophy has yet to predict god.

>> No.73743888

>Hand of Darkness
>Guilliman has regular phone conversations with Eldrad and Yvraine
This is absolutely heretical. The church must do something about the usurper before he dooms us all.

>> No.73743897

>>73743821
Hey now, its good in apocalypse.

But not amazing. Just good.

>> No.73743899

>>73743822
listen to the black library audiodrama "the beast within" or whatever, the ambull one tied to blackstone fortress. The sidekick is a sassy black woman who accuses the main character of gentrification. (literally uses the word)

>> No.73743901

>>73743888
SAUCE WTF

>> No.73743903

>>73743751
deathwatch vanguard
they were previously useful because they gave a kill team the ability to fall back and shoot, now they do nothing

>>73743767
they still get shot off the board instantly and have a relatively weak offensive profile, if you want a bunch of attacks intercessors will do better while if you want a serious punch some aggressors will do better, and both also have strong shooting in addition.
vanguard are fast, but between deep striking strategems and the beacon that's not something to worry about

>> No.73743914

>>73743884
I think he's trying to be a Humean empiricist, but even Hume admitted that there are missing shades of blue you can imagine, which does away with bare empiricism. Maybe you could argue that's still a posteriori.

>> No.73743929

Guys, are you pretending to be retarded?
>>73743862
If it says so then it makes claims just about no version of the argument pushed forward historical or otherwise makes. It's a copycat of the argument. Also, the guy said physical evidence. Like forensic results.
>>73743871
No that is not how things work. Where on Earth did you people read your metaphysics? It is more than just that. A First Year philosophy student would know better than this.

>> No.73743930

>>73743886
Is it literally that you need to see something happen for you to believe in it? This is the bane of Aristotleian demonstrations. It makes retards think you have to drop an apple to prove gravity.

>> No.73743932

>>73743861
It's the kind of reference you could've only known if you had gone out of your way to know about it.

>> No.73743934

>>73742738
Jesus anon, I don't want to see the soul in every Guardsman I send to certain death.

>> No.73743937

>>73743886
not him but that's dumb. you rank truth on predictive power? so a true argument that doesn't lead to useful results is magically less true?

>> No.73743945

>>73743899
Lel that's fucking retarded and insane but

>audio book

They've always been secondary media. Nothing important happens in audio books.

It's definitely a farcry from the hobby becoming some turbo leftist shill fest too.

>> No.73743947

Will Terminators be phased out in 9th? I play BA and love terminators, not into competitive but don’t want to field junk either..

>> No.73743949

>>73743709
>>73743713
>>73743736
Fuck me why does this keep happening. This is the third time.

>> No.73743954

>>73743903
>if you want a serious punch some aggressors will do better

Aggressors are painfully slow and require either an expensive flying shoebox or the use of stratagems to get them where they need to be.

>> No.73743958

>>73743886
>Not really, mathematics is proven to be able to predict stuff.
>Garbage philosophy has yet to predict god.
As someone who studied AI and Machine Learning, I can safely say philosophical debates in my field about virtually everything connected to the human mind and morals are literally everywhere and that my field of study has its roots in many philosophical ideas.

>> No.73743961

>>73743901
It's right there in the beginning of the story. They have this skype connection through the Astronomicon.

>> No.73743971

>>73743949

they look dope

>> No.73743974

>>73743884
>Empty assertions are not valuable. Cite the portions and explain how each applies.
I've already done that. But I'll do it again.
1. Assumes god possibly exists
2. Assumes that since god possibly exists then he exists in a possible world
3. Assumes that if god exists in a possible world he exists in every possible world

It assumes that because the possibility of god is imagined that he can exist in a possible world and that if he exists in any world he must exist in all worlds.
The argument doesn't work because it assumes that all possible worlds exist with no evidence for this.

>Physical evidence is not present in philosophy very often for good reason.
Because they'd have to do actual work and not spout inane babel?

>> No.73743975

>>73743886
Philosophical arguments prove all sorts of shit.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/arrows-theorem/

>> No.73743978

>>73742315
Painted up my men of iron

>> No.73743980

>>73742724
Cute anime Swarmlord model when?

>> No.73743983

>>73742437
How come every thread there's a couple of posts of
>Ohoho all Eldar are faggot!
>Ahaha all Guard are Nazi!
but complaints about Marines are comparatively rare? Even though Marines are currently both the cheesiest and most overbloated faction?

Theory - /40kg/ is full of Marinefags who exclusively throw shit at all the almost-as-good-as-SM factions that they keep losing to. It's certainly untrue that what strain plastic models a person owns is a flawless personality test.

>> No.73743985

>>73743694
>Never forget what we'll take from you.

>> No.73743987

>>73743880
Maybe out of fear of losing tech again?

Them being cavemen implies a technological regression. It could seed a compulsion for every member to individually to study all they can about technology (and actually study, not just memorize how to build it) to make sure they would never regress again even if a calamity happened

>> No.73743991

>>73743954
yeah, like I said, deep strike them. everyone was doing it anyway, drop them down turn 2, have them blow away a unit of chaff, then charge into a tank and leave it a smoldering wreck

>> No.73744004

>>73743978
Looks so much better than the gaybot we got for Blackstone

>> No.73744008

So I've never played with bikes before, what's the strategy for BAngel bikes?
Do you use them to try and tie up units so your main stabby guys can get up the board uninterrupted, or are they more of a scout for keeping enemies away from objectives

>> No.73744012

>>73743991
>then charge into a tank
those slow motherfuckers aren't catching any tank, short of getting lucky on a charge roll

remember that tanks can now move and fire without penalty

>> No.73744015

I like the recent change the nightlords have gone through last few years. Went from emo marines to gopnicks of the caribbean

>> No.73744024

>>73744008
The main strategy with bikes is to make them do little wheelies while you make vroom sounds with your mouth.

>> No.73744028

>>73743987
>Maybe out of fear of losing tech again?
I got the Admech result on friends so I don't think they would worry too much about losing tech. It could just be weird shamanistic beliefs that on the surface shouldn't mesh well with typical Iron Hands values but does somehow. Though
> It could seed a compulsion for every member to individually to study all they can about technology (and actually study, not just memorize how to build it) to make sure they would never regress again even if a calamity happened
is a nice idea.

>> No.73744038

>>73743974
>1. Assumes god possibly exists
Not him but fuck damn it you're fucked from step 1. Strawmen man.

>> No.73744043

>>73743930
>Is it literally that you need to see something happen for you to believe in it?
More or less, it depends on what you're asking me to believe.

>>73743937
>not him but that's dumb. you rank truth on predictive power?
Yeah, math proves there's merit behind it all the time.
Lots of philosophy is bullshit founded on bad assumptions.

>> No.73744051

Plastic Lelith incoming.

>> No.73744053

>>73743694
>Angry VHS noises

>> No.73744057

>>73743958
Sure, there's some thought experiments, but nothing to do with the existence of god.

>> No.73744058

>>73743974
>1. Assumes god possibly exists
>2. Assumes that since god possibly exists then he exists in a possible world
>3. Assumes that if god exists in a possible world he exists in every possible world
Jesus Christ that has to be the shittiest interpretation I've ever seen of that argument. Easily the stupidest version I've ever seen. Even Dawkins isn't that crazy dumb.
>actual work
Oh my fuck anon. You got any clue what you're talking about?

>> No.73744062

>>73743937
Not him, but:

Not necessarily, but predictive power is a really good way to show that an argument is true.

>> No.73744065

>>73744051
im hoping for slaanesh shit

>> No.73744069

>>73744051
I can understand wanting to weaponize your body. But getting your hair intentionally stuck in a melee seems counterproductive.

>> No.73744072

>>73744038
>>1. Assumes god possibly exists
>Not him but fuck damn it you're fucked from step 1
But it does.

>> No.73744073

>>73744043
>>Is it literally that you need to see something happen for you to believe in it?
>More or less, it depends on what you're asking me to believe.
Consider https://www.iep.utm.edu/solipsis/

>> No.73744075

>>73744051

Its DoK

>> No.73744076

>costs 135pts
>casualy does 24 shots s4 reroll to wound into your 11+ dudes, plus tips

9ed will be a clusterfuck

>> No.73744085

>>73743798
Please respond

>> No.73744086

>mfw GW starts making storm shields working differently based on the model
>mfw custodes get praesidium shields from HH for rerolling invuln saves and -1 to hit in combat

>> No.73744087

>>73743980
How good are you at converting?

>> No.73744090

>>73743888
my favourite part on the new watchers of the throne novel was G-money's 4D chess game with the high lords

>> No.73744092

>>73743694
I think your camera's machine spirit has autism

>> No.73744094

>>73742315
Damn that blue looks nice. I might have to steal this scheme for my marines

>> No.73744099

>>73744076
My favorite, i need to get some more of them

>> No.73744100

>>73744085
They don't. Theyre worse BA. Theyre cooler than BA, but

>> No.73744103

>>73743974
>>Physical evidence is not present in philosophy very often for good reason.
>Because they'd have to do actual work and not spout inane babel?
>actual work
I see philosophers do plenty of actual work anon. They have their hands in everywhere in life. Policy deciding, how to do science, etc.

>> No.73744104

>>73744076
>having 11+ dudes in a single unit

>> No.73744106

>>73744058
>Jesus Christ that has to be the shittiest interpretation I've ever seen of that argument.
Because it's a bad argument and I'm explaining it clearly.
>You got any clue what you're talking about?
Yeah, if they had to try they couldn't spend so much time inhaling their own farts.

>> No.73744112

>>73744086
when are they gonna let us run spears with shields
the custodes sword sucks dick

>> No.73744114

>>73743798
they're okay, i ran a 2k of them in 8th after they got rules from the PA book. melee just kinds sucks so idk, i didn't win many games (all manlets though)

>> No.73744117

>>73742315
1 one vs 1st pack (EtB), god bless primers, not-so generic acrylics and brushes.

>> No.73744130

>>73742724
its clarified in the faq man. check it. in short pretty much the same, it doesnt stack/ect

>> No.73744131

>>73743974
>1. Assumes god possibly exists
>2. Assumes that since god possibly exists then he exists in a possible world
>3. Assumes that if god exists in a possible world he exists in every possible world

I know I am coming in late but what the fuck is this? I can understand the words but the phrases are without meaning

>> No.73744133

>>73742315

>> No.73744135

>>73744051
I'm more interested in if they're going to give her a decent set of abs

>> No.73744138

>>73744112
That's the point, you're sacrificing power for durability

>> No.73744140

>>73744117
>Gundam in the back
>Gundams in the front

>> No.73744143

>>73744058
>Jesus Christ that has to be the shittiest interpretation I've ever seen of that argument

Not him but can I have the argument itself?

>> No.73744147

>>73744117
jesus christ mate

>> No.73744149

>>73743974
>I've already done that.
Ya didnt
>>73743974
>1. Assumes god possibly exists
>2. Assumes that since god possibly exists then he exists in a possible world
>3. Assumes that if god exists in a possible world he exists in every possible world
Literally not the argument
>It assumes that because the possibility of god is imagined that he can exist in a possible world and that if he exists in any world he must exist in all worlds.
>The argument doesn't work because it assumes that all possible worlds exist with no evidence for this.
Literally not the argument and super wrong on how philosophy works.
>>73744043
Yah no. Anon is conflating truth with use which is dumb as dog shit. You also don't know how much philosophy gets its claws into so much? Political theorists making huge impacts across the globe? Guys like Marx were philosophers ya dingus.

>> No.73744153

>>73744131
Just ignore it, eventually the philosophy arguers will get tired and go away.

>> No.73744156

>>73744073
What a completely useless idea.

>> No.73744163

>>73743947
*ahem*

>> No.73744166

>> No.73744171

>>73742437
Slap my friend for being a retard who thinks the Death Korps are Germans.

>> No.73744174

>>73744069
She's a Dark Eldar, Anon. She regularly goes into battle only wearing a bikini because she thinks if no one can touch her she doesn't have to wear much. And since it is Lelith she has the skill to back it up.

>> No.73744178

>>73744073
Okay, I'm not going to read it all for a 4chan thread, but I don't think I'm the only mind.
But I'm also not just going to believe what other minds think just because they think it.

>> No.73744182

>>73744131

the way i understand the idea is:

If its possible for god to exist then the infinite nature of the universe and the infinite nature of theoretical alternate dimensions etc means that he does exist somewhere and that since he is all powerful and all knowning and all present then he exists everywhere.

>> No.73744186

>>73744073
Not knowing that solipsism is a total meme tier philosophy and being called a solipsist is actually an insult.

>> No.73744187

>>73744106
>Because it's a bad argument and I'm explaining it clearly.
More like anon's got a bad brain and explaining it shit. Just google things up and you can get a better one. I'll do it right now.
Definition 1: x is God-like if and only if x has as essential properties those and only those properties which are positive
Definition 2: A is an essence of x if and only if for every property B, x has B necessarily if and only if A entails B

Definition 3: x necessarily exists if and only if every essence of x is necessarily exemplified

Axiom 1: If a property is positive, then its negation is not positive.

Axiom 2: Any property entailed by—i.e., strictly implied by—a positive property is positive

Axiom 3: The property of being God-like is positive

Axiom 4: If a property is positive, then it is necessarily positive

Axiom 5: Necessary existence is positive

Axiom 6: For any property P, if P is positive, then being necessarily P is positive.

Theorem 1: If a property is positive, then it is consistent, i.e., possibly exemplified.

Corollary 1: The property of being God-like is consistent.

Theorem 2: If something is God-like, then the property of being God-like is an essence of that thing.

Theorem 3: Necessarily, the property of being God-like is exemplified.

Right out of google.
>Yeah, if they had to try they couldn't spend so much time inhaling their own farts.
Fuck anon, you really got no clue
>>73744143
Just got a version of the above via google.

>> No.73744197

>>73743947
Maybe yours, corpse worshiper.

>> No.73744199

>>73744163
Tuskinators are a damn fine Terminator design. I hope they don't phase them out anytime soon.

>> No.73744202

CA tournament missions? Someone must have them if all the points are out there.

>> No.73744210

>>73744103
>I see philosophers do plenty of actual work anon.
I don't.

>> No.73744211

>>73744174
But that has nothing to do with hooks in her hair? A breeze in the wrong direction will get her stuck while she's doing 720 degree spins decapitating terminators

>> No.73744217

>>73744187
fucking hell can you autismos take this pseud shit somewhere else?

>> No.73744220

Are we going to see faqs of the faqs? or are Rangers losing their -1 to hit, drukhari not being able to fire and fade, custodes and space wolves duty eternal stratagem reducing dreadnought damage in half, etc

>> No.73744221

>>73744199
They just got fresh models last year, that would be extremely counterproductive

>> No.73744231

>>73744211
It does though. Logic is not really included with the Dark Eldar.

>> No.73744233

> Making Heavy Weapons Squad

> Somehow manages to lose both one of my guard models and one of the attachments to a heavy weapon.

> Severeautism.jpg

>> No.73744236

>>73744156
Not him but true shit can be useless. Doesn't make it false then.
>>73744186
Exactly this. This is why I support the before anon's citation of it. If >>73744043 gets BTFO by solipsism then man his shit is super weak.

>> No.73744247

>>73744199
Has GW ever phased out a kit shortly after releasing it?

>> No.73744248

>>73744051
Except it’s just more shadow elves.

>> No.73744251

>>73744149
>Literally not the argument
It is though.
>Literally not the argument and super wrong on how philosophy works.
Most philosophy does not work at all. That's the problem.

>> No.73744252

>>73743978
They look great.

>> No.73744258

>>73744233
lmao rip

>> No.73744260

>>73744231

>> No.73744263

>>73744233
i lose bits all the time beacause i end up assembling all i have at once. lost a metal vostroyan crew member to a lascannon team i paid 28 pounds for

>> No.73744265

>>73744247
Do Pariahs count? I only remember seeing them during 4th and after that they just disappeared.

>> No.73744269

>>73744210
AI guy here, I do. During my study I looked at various philosophical papers involved in AI.

>> No.73744271

>>73744211

its a flex, another added variable that makes melee combat harder, but shes so good it doesnt bother her.

>> No.73744275

>>73744233
>>73744263
How the fuck can you manage to lose a whole miniature

>> No.73744276

>>73743978
ACK ACK ACK
ACK ACK
They look awesome.

>> No.73744277

>>73744263
I lost a head from dark imperium once but that's literally the easiest thing to replace from the box.

>> No.73744280

>>73744187
>Right out of google.
It says what I said, but with more jargon to sound more intelligent.
The basis is still the same, that because god is "possible" (really because he can be imagined) that he must be real.

>> No.73744285

>>73743104
I love the first two

>> No.73744293

>>73744265
>Do Pariahs count?
they were around for nine years before getting the boot

>> No.73744298

>>73744269
Yeah, they say much and achieve little.
That's not work in my eyes.

>> No.73744301

>>73744187
What does positive means? I thought it meant true but
>Axiom 5: Necessary existence is positive
Seems like an assumption and not an axiom if it means true.

>> No.73744310

>>73744233
You can literally make 12 or 15 models out of this box, provided you've got enough bases and guardsmen bodies, so don't worry.

>> No.73744314

>>73744265
that wasnt really "phasing out", nor was it shortly.

Pariahs were introduced in the 3rd edition stopped being supported in the 5th edition codex iirc... which is like a 9 year period from 2002 to 2011

>> No.73744315

Is 9e going to be the terminator edition lads?

Scarab occult bois are going up in points but power swords are now free. With everything else going up terminators are going to be cheaper by comparison.

If anything it's also going to be needed to keep up with every other infantry model being 2W.

>> No.73744316

>>73743285
how the fuck did you manage to be more cringe than an anime picture posting faggot?

>> No.73744318

>>73744251
>It is though.
Not him but people's been repeatedly citing against you. Where're you getting this from?

>> No.73744334

>>73744140
Not exactly.

>> No.73744341

>>73744298
Anon, they are some of the most impactful people in my field of study! How the hell do you say they don't work? When designing AI systems to mimic human behavior, it's vital that we get the philosophical part of what's human behavior right. I'd go as far to say they've been some of the most important in what I've done and read and all that. And I'm one of the code monkeys.

>> No.73744349

>>73744015
Night Lords were never 'emo Marines'. That was always the Raven Guard's thing.

>> No.73744350

>>73743983
There is plenty of marine bashing going on in these threads. Maybe you can't see 'em because of an inherent bias, or because you're a retard?

>> No.73744356

>>73744318
>Where're you getting this from?
Reading the argument itself.
People try to bring in a bunch of other shit to muddy the waters and make the argument seem more complex that it really is, but in fact the at the core it is quite simplistic.

>> No.73744365

>>73744251
>>73744298
>mfw anons with no proof are talking shit about dudes whose job is proofs
>mfw he hasn't read about ai from descartes all the way to modern philosophers
Here's a start https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/artificial-intelligence/

>> No.73744374

>>73744280
That's far from what you said. In logical form, it discusses nothing about other worlds, it discusses nothing about anything you wrote. It's a completely different thing.

>> No.73744375

>>73744365
>>73744356
>>73744318
just fuck off all of you, you're adding nothing to this thread

>> No.73744378

>>73744334
Im a girl I wouldnt know about mechas anon
enlighten me

>> No.73744382

>>73744365
American uni? We have a lot of logicians in Australia, wonder if you've read many of them.

>> No.73744383

>>73744298
>That's not work
you're a moron

>> No.73744384

>>73744106
>>73744210
>>73744251
>>73744298
Learn to Godel.

>> No.73744385

>>73744378
>im a girl
you know how it goes

>> No.73744386

>>73744341
>Anon, they are some of the most impactful people in my field of study!
If they write good code that's great, but waffling on about philosophy is not doing work.
>When designing AI systems to mimic human behavior, it's vital that we get the philosophical part of what's human behavior right.
Disagree.

>> No.73744398

>>73744350
the bashing is mainly directed towards primaris tho with people fighting tooth and nail for manlets

its all either meta or calling an individual chapter/warband a faggot

underlying concepts behind space marines get more of a free pass

>> No.73744401

>>73744280
>It says what I said, but with more jargon to sound more intelligent.
>The basis is still the same
Guy reading here, even digging through the jargon it's not the same. You got any backing? I read them and everything from detail to what they address is entirely different.

>> No.73744405

>>73744385
yes yes, I see myself out

>> No.73744412

>>73744374
>it discusses nothing about other worlds
It does by bringing up possible worlds

>> No.73744414

>>73744386
>mfw anon just ignored what that other anon said
>mfw he genuinely thinks coders aren't a dime a dozen for ai

>> No.73744419

>>73744341
>it's vital that we get the philosophical part of what's human behavior right.

What are these philosophical parts of human behaviour? Honestly curious.

>> No.73744424

>>73744383
Maybe, but I'm right about this.

>> No.73744426

>>73743899
BL sucks.

>> No.73744430

>>73744341
Are you an undergrad or something? General AI is a meme and real work in the field goes into narrow statistical machine learning.

>> No.73744432

>>73742349

Angels of Mercy

>> No.73744437

>>73744356
>Reading the argument itself.
>People try to bring in a bunch of other shit to muddy the waters and make the argument seem more complex that it really is, but in fact the at the core it is quite simplistic.
not him but maybe shit isn't simple but you've managed to chop shit into an incoherent mess with no relevance and call it simple. bro. you just say
>naw i simplify it
when you closer to bastardized it
>>73744386
bro. "good code" is some of the least valuable parts. the though behind it all matters. it's the grunts who code, the top guys plan the thought behind the code. .t it

>> No.73744438

>>73744401
>You got any backing?
Reading the argument.

>> No.73744452

>>73744430
>Are you an undergrad or something? General AI is a meme and real work in the field goes into narrow statistical machine learning.
I'm not sure what's funnier, this anon's inability to read or everything else.

>> No.73744454

>>73744414
>>mfw anon just ignored what that other anon said
I didn't, I just disagree with his opinion.
>>mfw he genuinely thinks coders aren't a dime a dozen for ai
What does that have to do with anything? Some coders are better than others.

>> No.73744462

another dead thread, god, please let it end

>> No.73744466

>>73744015
>gopnicks of the caribbean
I haven't looked at NLs much lately, could you elaborate?

>> No.73744469

>>73743978
these look sick! brutal aesthetics i love it

>> No.73744470

>>73744412
>It does by bringing up possible worlds
>>73744187
>property
>positive property
>essence
Read it again, it doesn't mention anything about other worlds. You're a bad liar.

>> No.73744476

>>73743645
>>73743586
>>73743647
God, the american social left's ideology is literal cancer

>> No.73744485

>>73744405
>>73744385
>>73744334
Can I still learn about your mechas tho?

>> No.73744490

Are Ambull's fun to being to a match with friends?

>> No.73744493

>>73744430
> General AI is a meme and real work in the field goes into narrow statistical machine learning.
>statistical
ai is literally getting a computer to do statistics mr. redundant.
>General AI is a meme
nice try

>> No.73744502

>>73744490
yes but only philosophically

>> No.73744504

>>73744466
They're mostly poor pirates that usually have Russian accents in the audiobooks

>> No.73744505

>>73744087
as much as i think this is cringey in a funny way, i have to admit anyone ballsy enough to play with that in a public setting is a bit of a chad... or could be crossing over into the autistic zone... not sure lul

>> No.73744509

>>73744485
I don't know about that guy, but giant robots are always cool as fuck no matter what series they're from.

>> No.73744515

>>73744386
>If they write good code that's great, but waffling on about philosophy is not doing work.
If they write good code then they're an Indian guy we hired to code. If they're waffling on philosophy, they're one of the heads who's way less replaceable than the guys we outsource to. Everyone I see do work talks about how much philosophy in the high ranks. Professors of Comp Sci and Stats with higher degrees than me.

>> No.73744521

>>73744117
>that button

>> No.73744522

>>73744437
>not him but maybe shit isn't simple
I think it is.
If it isn't then it does a bad job of explaining itself.

>> No.73744532

>>73744504
Are there any in particular that you recommend?

>> No.73744535

>>73744470
>Read it again, it doesn't mention anything about other worlds.
It literally does mention possible worlds.

>> No.73744542

So Nightlords have no other benefits than being cosmetic? What's the point of buying the extra bits if they're not any different to usual CSM?

>> No.73744552

>>73744515
Just because they're high ranking doesn't mean their job is important.
They wouldn't have anything if people didn't do any coding.

>> No.73744553

>>73744386
>>73744430
>>73744454
Please tell me what experience you have doing Artificial Intelligence. In my experience, what they're saying is relatively accurate (though missing the parts where you beg for grant money). Rather, what you're saying is much less accurate. Especially the part about "good code". As you get into higher leadership positions, you'll find that designing systems in ways unrelated to coding, the abstract side, starts to be what you do more than just write code.

>> No.73744554

>>73744147
Uhhh what's wrong?
>the base
Not exactly going to play too much, so i haven't bought anything yet, or tought too much
>sergeant's face
First time painting a face
>shitty paintwork or splooshes
I fucked up hard and trying to fix them would lead to bigger issues.
>transfers
I do not have a smooth hand, also i ruined other transfers in the process and i have no varnishes to stick or protect them.

>> No.73744563

>>73744015
>"gopnicks of the caribbean"
wtf you mean by this?

>> No.73744564

>>73744542
A E S T H E T I C

And I mean, Night Lords have some fun enough stuff. I do hope they get some buffs with new morale, like a penalty to Combat Attrition instead of Ld or something, since stacking Ld Bombs is a lot weaker now that it doesn't directly convert to more models pulled.

>> No.73744567

>>73744233
Haachama?!

>> No.73744570

>>73743489
I know there is more to life than your nihilistic view of it
T midwit

>> No.73744578

>>73744522
>If it isn't then it does a bad job of explaining itself.
Not the one you replied to but they've been repeatedly accusing you of messing up the argument and strawmanning it. Arguments have no bomb in their head which explodes if they're hard to understand. Rather, I'm more inclined to believe that the arguer rather than the argument is misrepresenting the argument. Namely, the way you're writing it out. Similarly, I'm very doubtful of what qualifications you have in philosophy.

>> No.73744580

>>73744553
>Please tell me what experience you have doing Artificial Intelligence.
Basically nothing.
I'm not denying there are philosophical wafflers in charge of AI projects.
I just disagree it's the most necessary component.

>> No.73744591

>Long Term Necron Player
>Love the Faction since 4th Ed.
>People mostly look weird at me for playing them, aks whenever they can do anything as they are no meta army. Many call Necrons stupid
>Since Indomitus many new people start out a Necron Force, many also from the pool of people who called the army to be stupid.
Yep, there is that itch to start bitching about new-nu-cron-players. But once the hype is over and people realise it is a Xenos army and stuff will get nerfed, I am quite happy to buy prebuilt grey plastic for cheap. It´s not like I already twice bought 1-2k Crons for like 60$.

>> No.73744592

>>73744117
kind of rough but honestly even within the last few days i have seen worse on here. I suggest if you havent to check out gamesworkshops youtube channel where they have extensive painting tutorials and guides that can really help you with beginner techniques.

>> No.73744597

>>73744509
I get the appeal of stealthsuits and boxnoughts, they are cut with their plump bodies and toy guns, but I dont really get the appeal of the bigger more "realistic" robots

>> No.73744603

>>73743509
fun fact: the maximally great being is also the minimally great being and coincides unironically with chaos in its most pure and agendaless form

and you can determine reality through literal willful ignorance, indeterminate reality by literally suppressing consciousnesses and fuel chaotic and destructive infiltrations into our universe by letting literal chaotic daimonoi and the ramifications of their words live in your mind and spread from your corruption
consciousness is the center of the universe because it actively kills chaos under its eyes and lets it consume everything else that's not under its eyes

you may think I'm joking or insane, but what I said is truth
and no, I'm not going to explain how any of this works

>> No.73744605

Godel ontological proof is bullshit because it gives five statements as axioms despite giving absolutely no reason for why they should apply to reality, with the result that it just proves the existence of God in a possible reality that we have no way to know if it's or not like our own. You can prove the existence of literally everything that way.

>> No.73744608

>>73744535
>It literally does mention possible worlds.
I've read it a second time. It reads

"Definition 1: x is God-like if and only if x has as essential properties those and only those properties which are positive
Definition 2: A is an essence of x if and only if for every property B, x has B necessarily if and only if A entails B

Definition 3: x necessarily exists if and only if every essence of x is necessarily exemplified

Axiom 1: If a property is positive, then its negation is not positive.

Axiom 2: Any property entailed by—i.e., strictly implied by—a positive property is positive

Axiom 3: The property of being God-like is positive

Axiom 4: If a property is positive, then it is necessarily positive

Axiom 5: Necessary existence is positive

Axiom 6: For any property P, if P is positive, then being necessarily P is positive.

Theorem 1: If a property is positive, then it is consistent, i.e., possibly exemplified.

Corollary 1: The property of being God-like is consistent.

Theorem 2: If something is God-like, then the property of being God-like is an essence of that thing.

Theorem 3: Necessarily, the property of being God-like is exemplified.
"

In my rereading, I do not see where anything related to other worlds is there.

As a side note, I've been looking at other posts you've been making and I see a lot of times you just say things are "there" but I can reread the older replies and I don't see them. You're not good at lying.

>> No.73744616

>>73744553
I'm a natural language processing / computational linguistics researcher.

>> No.73744621

>mfw I listened to Arch and emailed GW

>> No.73744627

>>73744187
you ever tried a freshly microwaved foil bleach bowl? you should try it some time.

>> No.73744634

>>73744578
>Not the one you replied to but they've been repeatedly accusing you of messing up the argument and strawmanning it.
Of course they have, because I've shown quite simply how it's a bad argument.
Of course they wheel in the addenda and jargon afterwards, but it doesn't matter if the core argument simply doesn't hold water.
>I'm very doubtful of what qualifications you have in philosophy.
Please don't doubt that I have zero official qualifications in regard to philosophy.

>> No.73744643

>>73744621
who the fuck is arch anyway, what are you guys talking about?

>> No.73744647

>>73742315

>> No.73744648

>>73744580
Basically nothing is right. The way you write tells me you know outright nothing of what makes what useful in this setting. Therefore, I must side with the others on agreeing with how important the abstract portion is. It isn't so much waffling. Rather they're some of the most important parts if we consider how important the abstract planning is for systems I've been involved in.

>> No.73744651

>>73744616
And only 1 of those was me.

>> No.73744653

>>73742335
How'd you do the metal?

>> No.73744668

>>73744608
>In my rereading, I do not see where anything related to other worlds is there.
He literally says possible worlds >>73743509
How many times do you have to re-read it.

>> No.73744674

>>73744350
Of course there is, but it's unusual that it usually gets far less (you)'s and doesn't spawn the same kind of reply chains (see: above you in this thread).

>> No.73744685

>>73744634
>Of course they have, because I've shown quite simply how it's a bad argument.
>Of course they wheel in the addenda and jargon afterwards, but it doesn't matter if the core argument simply doesn't hold water.
Not him but STOP WITH THESE ASSERTIONS. Just stop saying
>But they do so because I win
I just looked over your other posts and you've endlessly asserting things with no backing then said junk like
>Reread the argument g-guys! I-It's totally there
when someone like me can reread all of them and see more and more empty similar claims. Stop.

>> No.73744689

>>73742367
the problem is you
admech having the best anti-tank capabilities in the game helps some, but it's mostly you

>> No.73744694

>>73744648
>It isn't so much waffling.
It's totally waffling. Without the code nothing works.
You could code an AI to mimic a human simply by observing humans and translating those behaviours into code, no philosophy needed.

>> No.73744696

>>73744621
What's his hustle anyway? I've never watched a video by the guy but from what I understand he makes a living off of reciting Lexicanum articles in front of recording equipment?

>> No.73744698

>>73742394
Fookin' Legend of Gin Alley

>> No.73744700

>>73744603
The fuck you on about?

>> No.73744703

>>73744634
>Of course they have, because I've shown quite simply how it's a bad argument.
Loaded statement.
>>73744668
Avoiding the issue.

>> No.73744719

Would this work? Outrider detachment, 800 pts

>Chaos Lord with jump pack and lightning claws
>2 units of 3 bikers
>6 units of 5 warp talons

>> No.73744720

>>73744597
what I don't understand is the use of their left arm

>> No.73744722

>>73744696
He's an engineer in real life, his youtube channel isn't his main source of revenue.

>> No.73744723

>>73744685
>Not him but STOP WITH THESE ASSERTIONS.
Why?
>I just looked over your other posts and you've endlessly asserting things with no backing
It's written in the argument. The phrase possible worlds is used many times.

>> No.73744727

Is Revell's glue any good?

>> No.73744729

>>73744634
Not him but everything you've written is bunk. Just garbage. They have been arguing against the claims you're repeating. You're just repeating them like they're not the very thing being debated.
>>73744694
Without thought, code works backwards and costs the company thousands.

>> No.73744732

>>73744696
It's less of a living now isn't it?

>> No.73744748

>>73742349
Something about Thunder.

>> No.73744751

>>73744703
>Loaded statement.
Sure, but what's the problem? Statements should have meaning.
>Avoiding the issue.
The issue is possible worlds, and I'm linking back to what I assume is the direct original ontological argument, wherein possible worlds are mentioned. .

>> No.73744753

>>73744694
>You could code an AI to mimic a human simply by observing humans and translating those behaviours into code, no philosophy needed.
What the hell did I just read? "simply observing and translating". That's not simple at all. How do you do it is a monumental fuckload of trouble. Fuck right off.

>> No.73744755

>>73744378
>>73744485
I have a shitload of transformers, many of them with repainted or shaded pieces because they lack felt too plain, the ones you see (crap melted sword and dragon) are just couple of a bunch, the sword one is a model kit that is WIP.
The 2 other guys (not so big) are Xenos, AKA what happens when you mix BAKA with a full sci-fi setting with mildly original races.
>>73744521
>be me
>YAY MY FIRST MINI
>plug-in base
>it suddenly dissapears
>FUCK_YOU_TZEENTCH.mp4
>find a checkers piece
>diz_will_work.mp3
>superglue my marine after cutting it from his stubs
>realize yellow is painful to paint over black
>fml

>> No.73744759

>>73744597
Well for what I know of Battletech (mostly from Mechwarrior) is that you have a very large and surprisingly mobile weapons platform. Bonus points for being able to operate in environments that would otherwise bog down more conventional vehicles.

Take the Catapult for example is a solid fire-support mech that can lob missiles for days while also having 4 medium lasers to scare away potential harassers and also have something to fall back on should the pilot run out of ammunition while in the field. It's jump jets allow it to quickly relocate to new firing positions that a regular combat vehicle simply wouldn't be able to do. Couple that with a simple and easy to maintain design make it a beloved mech no matter what it is your trying to do with it. Even if your a brain dead Kuritan and decide to replace perfectly good missile pods for 2 huge ass plasma cannons.

>> No.73744760

>>73744015
>emo marines
They play another kind of rock my friend.

>> No.73744762

>>73744727
Yeah. The tube gets clogged if you don't keep it clean, but it's still good.

>> No.73744773

>>73743945
I think anon's point is that it's an easy access point for american leftwing politicized insanity to creep into your hobby. First it's the audio dramas, then the books, then core rules, etc. That's how it started with mtg and now they are banning cards for being racist.
Gatekeeping is good, and if threatening the cashflow would get them to listen because the higher ups care only about money that's good. If they already care about spreading a political message, then it's too late either way. It'll be good if we know where exactly we stand.

>> No.73744774

>>73744608
>Axiom 5: Necessary existence is positive

How is this an axiom. You can't prove something exist by putting its existence in the starting points.

>> No.73744778

>>73744694
>You could code an AI to mimic a human simply by observing humans and translating those behaviours into code
Dumbest statement all thread. If it weren't for the image limit, I'd be browsing my reaction folders to see if I have anything for how wrong this entire thing is. That's not how code works. That's now how artificial intelligence works. That wouldn't even pass that easy peasy turing test.

>> No.73744785

>>73744755
Fuck, i slipped there with my grammar.

>> No.73744800

>>73744729
>Not him but everything you've written is bunk. Just garbage.
Like what?
>They have been arguing against the claims you're repeating.
Not really, they just say I'm bad at philisophy, which is true, but I can still handily solve their breakdown their arguments.

>Without thought, code works backwards and costs the company thousands.
Nobody said don't think, just the philosphy is usually a waste of time.

>> No.73744801

>>73744755
you seem like an intelligent individual

>> No.73744802

>>73744542
>What's the point of buying the extra bits if they're not any different to usual CSM?
To better represent your guys as Night Lords? Same reason you'd buy any other chapter/Legion shoulder pads/helmets?
Same reason you'd paint them in Midnight Clad.

>> No.73744803

>>73744720
Balance. It's hard work staying upright in that clunky suit.

>> No.73744808

>>73744723
>It's written in the argument. The phrase possible worlds is used many times.
Nope. See >>73744608 again. Where did "possible" worlds show up?
>>73744694
>It's totally waffling. Without the code nothing works.
>You could code an AI to mimic a human simply by observing humans and translating those behaviours into code, no philosophy needed.
>simply by
Anon solves AI. Spread the word. Some anon has the magic solution to making AI. Come on anon, there's no way it's that simple.

>> No.73744813

>>73743737
I have ten vanguard vets with double pistols and I intend to use them

>> No.73744819

>>73744719
Warp Talons got shafted with 9th ed points (unless they forgot to make Warp Talons free for them or something) and shutting down overwatch isn't as important as it was

>> No.73744823

>>73744803
but it's a power armored suit with a jet pack
you want to tell me it needs a hand to stay upright?

>> No.73744824

>>73743978
well that's terrifying

>> No.73744825

>>73744753
>That's not simple at all.
Of course not, hence why good code is important.
It's much more simple that way than just talking philosophy which will ultimately achieve nothing.

>> No.73744833

>>73744819
This is one of the things I can see getting fixed.

>> No.73744836

>>73744823
You think the guy inside would want to use his hand at all, he's got it stuck in that armored mitten.

>> No.73744837

>>73744592
I constantly check on them to see if i do something wrong or i am getting complicated there (the face for example) but thanks anyways anon.

>> No.73744840

>>73744755
>>73744759
wew, your posts went so far over my head, I dont even have a comparison.

>> No.73744841

>>73744800
All of it. I can start with
>>73744751
Dude he's calling you out on logical fallacies. You don't recognize those?

This is just one bad demonstration of ignorance. Next, I second>>73744685

Stop making these
>I've solved it already
statements. Maybe you believe you have but a large amount of posts say you either have no clue what you're doing or that you're completely failing to understand the argument. In other words, you didn't but are endlessly, repeatedly saying you did. It's tiring from the perspective of a 3rd party. Those other guys must be sick of you.

>> No.73744842

>>73744778
It would once you could code a brain.

>> No.73744844

>>73744720
electronic warfare shit

>> No.73744849

Fuck I got super glue in my main brush

>> No.73744854

>>73744762
I just went out and bought one pack of Revell 'Plastik-Kleber flüssig' -glue, whatever that means. It was the only package of supposedly plastic glue that the big market had. Gonna glue some models tonight.

>> No.73744855

>>73744825
>Of course not, hence why good code is important.
Read the above. "good code" is an Indian programmer we outsourced to. Literally nothing.

>> No.73744863

>>73744719
8th or 9th ed? Warp talons are obscenely expensive in 9th, and you have to pay 3CP to use Outrider detachment.
Also you have to deploy half of your models at the start, right? so 6 bikers, and 15 warp talons would have to be on the map at the start.

>> No.73744867

>>73744823
The Tau are a young race, their technology is advanced, but still burgeoning. Gyroscopic stabilizers are beyond their ken. In the meantime they have to stick an arm out and go "woah jeez, oh shit, don't fall" all the time.

>> No.73744869

>>73742409
This joke flew way over your head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcKGw-IO5Uc

>> No.73744871

>>73744825
>Of course not, hence why good code is important.
>It's much more simple that way than just talking philosophy which will ultimately achieve nothing.
Tech guy here, it's the reverse. The same code can be written and optimized by several people. The abstract thought of how the systems are arranged take far higher priority. If AI coding is anything like coding in everywhere else on the globe, the thought behind the operation exceeds the importance of getting a codemonkey to mash on a keyboard.

>> No.73744872

I can't avoid to imagine this thread has been basically this (posting the link because of image limit).

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2010-05-12

>> No.73744876

>>73744849
remove it with scissors

>> No.73744878

>>73744808
>Where did "possible" worlds show up?
In the ORIGINAL ARGUMENT. Do you think I actually bothered to read >>73744608? No, that's the muddying effect.
>Come on anon, there's no way it's that simple.
It is that simple, it's just that human behaviour is very complex. The necessary code is therefore going to be very complex and hard to do.

>> No.73744879

>>73744840
Okay, Barney style: They perform a battlefield role just like any other vehicle would so commanders find a use for them. Bigger robots have more space for guns and armor while still performing that role like their smaller brethren.

>> No.73744882

>>73744849
I have it in my main dick. It went through my underpants.

>> No.73744885

>>73744825
>>73744842
None of that shit is easy at all. You don't
>lol code a brain
A brain's complexity would take centuries to accomplish from today with a static algorithm.

>> No.73744888

>>73744840
Hold on a sec-
Wtf my text wrote BAKA instead of the acronym of Space Marine Heroes.
>i am a confirmed newfriend now

>> No.73744892

>>73744879
and that's what makes them appealing to you? that they can carry bigger guns?

>> No.73744893

NEW THREAD
>>73744886
>>73744886
>>73744886

>> No.73744900

>>73744878
>In the ORIGINAL ARGUMENT.
not him but you mean original is in history or what? other guys cited exaclty which version they mean with that google citation. you backpeddling? did you not read all the resposes to >>73743862

>> No.73744908

>>73744841
>Dude he's calling you out on logical fallacies. You don't recognize those?
No.
>Stop making these
>I've solved it already
statements.
Why when I have? People may disagree with me, but until they demonstrate how it's fault I can't help them.

>> No.73744911

>>73743978
This is what we deserved to get. They deserved to look this cool.

>> No.73744921

>>73744878
>It is that simple, it's just that human behaviour is very complex. The necessary code is therefore going to be very complex and hard to do.
Tech guy here, by very complex you would probably mean more terabytes and exabytes of data than we can account for. It's much too complex for anyone of today's age to do and that doesn't even count debugging. It's not feasible from any angle.

>> No.73744927

>>73744855
It's what actually makes things work.
>>73744871
>The abstract thought of how the systems are arranged take far higher priority.
That's still part of the design process. It's not pointless philosophy.

>> No.73744940

>>73744908
>Why when I have?
Tech guy again, I've looked over your older replies to the other posters and you have done so everywhere you post. You've made many claims like
> but I can still handily solve their breakdown their arguments.
> Of course they have, because I've shown quite simply how it's a bad argument.
So I have no choice but to agree with others that you're a terrible liar.

>> No.73744948

>>73744885
Yeah, I never said the actual process would be simple, just that the path to it, OBSERVING AND TRANSLATING, is simple to comprehend rather than pointless philosophy.

>> No.73744976

>>73744892
There's more to it then that, but the longer version you said kinda went over your head so I thought a quick summary would work instead.

>> No.73744982

>>73744927
Tech guy yet again, you have thing so utterly muddled that I hope I never get anything like you for a client.

For starters, "what actually makes things work" isn't as important as you think if everything else is wrong. For design, we can have many issues even with a functioning device, from inefficiencies to crashes. If the getting things to work is pulling a trigger then everything else in the planning is everything else from aiming to assigning the right person for a job, etc. And in my tiny experience of AI, I can say that their design process is very heavily philosophy or philosophy based. So this is all wrong.

>> No.73744984

>>73744900
>not him but you mean original is in history or what?
As in the original post as in this image >>73743509 I don't know of that's the original ontological argument or not, but that's what I've been going off. Hence why I keep mentioning possible worlds.

>> No.73745000

>>73744948
>OBSERVING AND TRANSLATING, is simple to comprehend rather than pointless philosophy.
Fuck what. It's fucking harder to comprehend. How much code you do?

>> No.73745005

>>73744921
>Tech guy here, by very complex you would probably mean more terabytes and exabytes of data than we can account for. It's much too complex for anyone of today's age to do and that doesn't even count debugging. It's not feasible from any angle.
Sure, I know some think AI impossible, but that's how to do it, not debating pointless philosophy.

>> No.73745018

>>73744755
not only am I unable to post an image to show my reaction to these posts, I am actually unable to find an image to demonstrate my reaction

>> No.73745046

>>73744948
Tech guy again, you sound like what happens when a physicist discovers a new field of study in that xkcd comic. https://xkcd.com/793/ The sort who thinks they can take a surface glance and everything's so simple and solvable. Translating things alone would be several trillion times more complex than any system me and peers have ever worked on.
>>73744984
I'm not him but he explicitly said
>other guys cited exaclty which version they mean with that google citation. you backpeddling?
So others have been arguing about a different thing and citing which different thing they've been discussing for a very long time. Even back in>>73744608 they've provided a different one while saying the other one is flawed, which got replies about how they're just the same thing instead of now confessing they're different.

You guys have a very strange way with words and changing opinions.

>> No.73745057

>>73744552
This is a stupid argument. Nobody in a leadership position can be in that position without people to lead

>> No.73745073

>>73744940
Think I'm a liar all you want, I won't make the ontological argument any better.

>>73744982
Design philosophy is not what I'm talking about when I talk philosophy.

>>73745000
Very little, but what I've said is true regardless. Everyone understands that you can write code to achieve something, in this case mimicking human behaviour. It's easy to comprehend.

>> No.73745088

>>73745005
Tech guy yet again, this is downright off. Thankfully my little experience counts some AI courses I took so I can speak a little bit from where they are.

Part of their debate is about what is or isn't possible so they don't go the wrong direction from the beginning. Their debates also include criticisms and pointing out problems. The same model I've witnessed more AI-inclined peers debate philosophically about the pluses and minuses of each. So that is very inaccurate to what I've been through. I believe you're speaking not from a knowledgeable source or even a secondhand one but you're making things up as you go.

>> No.73745153

>>73745073
Tech guy here, there it is again. An irrelevant mention. What if I were to tell you I don't care for that argument but I believe you're making a ton of different mistakes in every field of study you're talking about? I notice you didn't deny the quotes I cited so I'll take it you admit to lying and being dishonest.

Also, design philosophy is very relevant. Even the roots of things like neural networks I've seen philosophers like Dennett discuss long before it became big. They have made philosophical arguments about it and I have witnessed various peers involved in AI do enormous philosophy in their time. It's not unproductive too, I'm told it's just as important as the frameworks done on networks. So really, I believe you're dead wrong on all accounts/

>> No.73745162

>>73744837
no problem, people on here can be harsh but every started without painting skills. Just keep practicing anon, and i say that as someone whos own stuff isnt even that great.

>> No.73745163

>>73745073
Read http://jmc.stanford.edu/articles/aiphil2/aiphil2.pdf

>> No.73745197

Tech guy here, I think the other guy is just playing around and making shit up. It's really odd. I've talked with peers who do more AI than I likely ever will, I've talked with professors who've already did more AI than I ever will, just about everything the guy says is contrary. So I'll just assume he's trolling. Signing off.

>> No.73745243

>>73745046
>Translating things alone would be several trillion times more complex than any system me and peers have ever worked on.
And? I have said this would be very complex.
But it is necessary to achieve human mimicking AI. No amount of philosophical waffling will do it, just observing and translating.
>So others have been arguing about a different thing
Their fault for not staying on topic.

>>73745057
Sure, but leaders don't need to be philosophers.

>>73745088
>Part of their debate is about what is or isn't possible so they don't go the wrong direction from the beginning.
What's possible changes based on the hardware and software. Regardless philosophy won't solve it.

>>73745153
>What if I were to tell you I don't care for that argument but I believe you're making a ton of different mistakes in every field of study you're talking about?
I wouldn't care, and would be a little confused as to why you think I would care. I've never claimed to be an expert in any field of study. I've never claimed that there weren't philosophers in charge anywhere. I'm just saying philosophy goes nowhere and action goes everywhere.
Debate the philosophical aspect of AI and humanity all you want, nothing will happen until the practical side gets there and begins to actually implement things.

>I notice you didn't deny the quotes I cited so I'll take it you admit to lying and being dishonest.
Nope, I'm very honest.

>> No.73745326

>>73745243
other guy just wrote verything you said contraditcs his industry experience and he's signing off because you kept lying and because you're a troll. bugger off dude

>> No.73745351

>>73745243
>What's possible changes based on the hardware and software.
No software will make 1 + 1 = 3 true and no hardware will make an rank-order electoral system can be designed that always satisfies
1. If every voter prefers alternative X over alternative Y, then the group prefers X over Y.
2. If every voter's preference between X and Y remains unchanged, then the group's preference between X and Y will also remain unchanged (even if voters' preferences between other pairs like X and Z, Y and Z, or Z and W change).
3. There is no "dictator": no single voter possesses the power to always determine the group's preference.

It's just not doable.

>> No.73745357

>>73744075
yEA, THEYVE A WARBAND COMING

>> No.73745426

>>73745326
>other guy just wrote verything you said contraditcs his industry experience
What does that have to do with anything though?
I've never said the industry does not work that way. I've never said there weren't philosophers there. I'm saying philosophy won't get it to work, practical observation will.

>>73745351
>No software will make 1 + 1 = 3 true and no hardware will make an rank-order electoral system can be designed that always satisfies
I didn't say everything is possible, I said what is possible changes.

>> No.73745583

>>73745426
What's possible has constraints too. If what is debated is what are these absolutely impossible constraints then it helps direct which direction to go. BTW, the second part of that is Arrow's Impossibility Theorem which is a philosophical proof that has big influence on voting political systems and choice systems. It has huge impact in political science.

>> No.73745688

So are the new Forgeworld points costs less retarded than before?

>> No.73745704

>>73743571
It does. The quality of argument is irrelevant. It's a deductive argument.

>> No.73746099

>>73743147
lmao, look at these proportions

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