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>> No.73351604

>>73351584
>Tau Edition
Officially the worst edition that ever was

>> No.73351611

>>73351584
got 55 of these fuckers to paint

>> No.73351615

>>73351584
> Drones

Yup its Tau faggotry alright.

>> No.73351620

>>73351584
>space marines no longer part of the imperium
So..... yeah..... does it really matter what space marines do or don’t? It’s not like they needed to soup or will it be just a lore change?

>> No.73351634

>Deathguard rumour engine
Its out time lads.

>> No.73351637

>>73351611
They all look the same, same colours, easy to paint. You can do it.

I had to paint those fuckers. Took me 5 days.

>> No.73351646

>>73351634
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT NOT AGAIN

>> No.73351655

>literally no worldbuilding about zoats other that they use biomechanical tech to sustain their metabolism and psychic communication
I hate this

open up that shardcell already

>> No.73351658

Post models

>> No.73351672

>>73351634
>>Deathguard rumour engine
>implying
dark mechanicus soon

>> No.73351687

>>73351655
Why the fuck would the Tyranids have a slave race?

>> No.73351708

>>73351687
to kill necrons with since pylons disrupt the hive mind connection?

>> No.73351734

GW just let me take discolords in Death Guard

>> No.73351749

Out of the loop question:
What kind of stats on already existing units can the upcoming ruleset change? I heard something about point values being revised but wouldn't that be codex-specific? Are they going to have a huge list of the points cost for every unit in the game in the rulebook?
I am also extremely confused about chapter approved and psychic awakening, are the stat changes on those mandatory to use for matched play?

>> No.73351753

>>73351687
>implying it's not the Zoats who are controlling the Tyranids

>> No.73351754

>>73351658

>> No.73351770

>>73351658
Missile Launchers are cool

>> No.73351771

when the FUCK are CSM getting vehicle mounted sonic weapons

>> No.73351777

>>73351658

>> No.73351780

>>73351734
Sure, so long as my CSMs can take all the DG specific stuff

>> No.73351786

>>73351770
I agree, they look great anon

>> No.73351788

>>73351634
It's a noise marine terminator though

>> No.73351801

>>73351770
very nice
what're you basing them with?

>> No.73351816

>>73351801
I'm doing up some test bases and will see which ones look nice, probably red or grey but I'll experiment

>> No.73351848

>Deathwatch
>Specializes in eradicating other races
>Kill Team = Death Squad
Ugh.....BEYOND problematic......

>> No.73351867

>>73351646
Do you complain this much when Marines get new stuff

>> No.73351880

>>73351687
tyranids had different fluff at the beginning
if we had to reconcile old fluff and new fluff the zoats were a test

the hive mind had two ways to prepare an invasion: genestealers to infiltrate the population, zoats to subvert through diplomacy
the zoats weren't a bad candidate, they were native to the galaxy and had psychic powers that allowed them a perfect degree of communication with every other race, the problem was that very few races of the galaxy are open to diplomacy, so the test run of the zoats died with hive fleet colossus, which in modern fluff is the only hive fleet that used the zoats, or at least it was the only one documented doing so

if the galaxy wasn't such a war-filled hell-hole and populated with more tau-like races perhaps the use of zoats would have been a success and eventually the hive mind could have fully assimilated them and produced tyranid strains with their features instead of keeping them enslaved
also because it seems the zoats rebelled and ran away, their use of biotech to support their metabolism could be the way they have to cope with the genetic scars of tyranid enslavement (because if I were a tyranid, I too would start by altering their metabolism so that it is dependent on what I alone can produce)

>> No.73351884

>People still aren't understanding that 9th is the Death Guard edition.

>> No.73351886

>>73351604
>tau
>the worst
>not loyalist marines
wrong.

>> No.73351890

>>73351848
Get a fucking life faggot

>> No.73351900

>>73351672
>>73351634
Deathguard rumor engine?
>>73351770
Love that soft brass, anon

>> No.73351907

>>73351770
Based missile launcher anon
I hope missile launchers get a slight drop in price to make them the proper all-rounder heavy weapon they're supposed to be.

>> No.73351909

>>73351900
It's some kind of chaos tartaros armour

>> No.73351914

>>73351584
Drones are pretty cute for being possibly the most broken thing in the game.

>> No.73351920

>>73351900

>> No.73351928

>>73351909
>terminator torso with pipes
>clawed power fist with goo

DG terminator lord/sorcerer? If that lets us have one with T5 and Disgusting Resilience, I'll take it.

>> No.73351943

>>73351880
if we assume that this process was the norm
>enslavement
>test run
>full integration

then we might even reevaluate the original idea of genestealers being native to the moon of ymgarl rather than a mutant strain that went feral

the original host of the genestealers on ymgarl were giant worms, nothing like the more humanoid targets the tyranids seek
if they don't have a necessity to reproduce through humanoids then were are my gene-hounds?

>> No.73351945

>>73351914
That is because you don't know about the atrocities T'''''au drones are capable off.
I've seen drones kill hive tyrants in close combat as far back as 4th edition

>> No.73351948

>>73351880
Ok but how are Tyranids intelligent enough to plan something like that out? From everything we know about them they seem to just be a ravenous force that just consumes and every quirk about them (genestealers, biomorphs, the attraction to psykic power) are results of an evolving force not intelligently guided. So it doesn't make sense for them to use another race to infiltrate society when they don't even have a concept of society.

>> No.73351962

>>73351909
>>73351920
Probably a multi part Lord of Contagion since the DI one is now OOP

>> No.73351974

>>73351637
GSC here. I have like 100 of autistically detail horde models. Have painted 3 so far in a year.
Wish I had the time I had as a kid where I could sit down an entire week to paint

>> No.73351975

>>73351920
>>73351909
Not seeing the tartaros but I am seeing the death guard terminator. Thanks, anons.

>> No.73351976

>>73351962
Di is gonna get shadowspeared into two SC

>> No.73351983

>>73351604
Dumb hivemind fag
>>73351886
Dumb FOTM hivemind fag

>> No.73351984

>>73351909
>>73351920
>looks like a deathguard part with none of the nurgle aesthetic
Why? Same thing with that power fist.

>> No.73351987

>>73351962
we still have the amazing lord felthius

>> No.73351994

I cant wait for tau to get kneecapped In ninth so people can shut the fuck up about hating them

>> No.73351996

>>73351848
>Deathwatch
>Diversity is their strength
They're cucked, and thus safe.

>> No.73352001

>>73351909
Slaanesh Terminator with organ pipes on its back for maximum loud?

>> No.73352002

>>73351962
It's more likely the two halves will find their way into a start collecting Death Guard and primaris marines like the two halves of shadowspear did.

>> No.73352011

>>73351948
>Ok but how are Tyranids intelligent enough to plan something like that out?
the hivemind is intelligent
the tyranids only devolve into instinctive behaviours when they lose the synapse connection, they are being intelligently directed

>> No.73352013

>mfw I use a Miracle Dice to autopass a 6++ on my Exorcist

>> No.73352020

Since we are starting nice an spiteful, what is the thing you hate the most about Warhammer 40k?

>> No.73352024

>>73351771
the same time they get WE and EC codexes and model lines
which is never

>> No.73352026

>>73352001
They're clearly not organ pipes though.

>> No.73352029

>>73351976
>>73352002
Fuck that. Monopose start collecting sets are cancer

>> No.73352032

>>73352002
>DV chosen
>Ork Deffkoptas
We’re never fucking seeing any non muhreen shit ever again

>> No.73352043

>>73351984
>None of the Nurgle aesthetic
>Power fist dripping in slime and looks to have the fly symbol on it
>Newest one with the exhaust pipes that the army tends to have bellowing out disease fumes

>> No.73352051

>>73351928
I imagine with Dark Imperium going and -for a while at least- costing them 3 hero units it could be a replacement.

>> No.73352053

>>73352032
>DV chaos lord
I'm still mad

>> No.73352054

>>73352020
Too many women for a wargame.

>> No.73352055

>>73352026
I can dream, Anon.

>> No.73352058

>>73351994
never gonna happen, knights have been underwhelming for most of 8th but people will never forget once a faction dominates, even if it's not for that long.

>> No.73352059

>>73351994
They're going to be obnoxious for as long as they can parking lot and use savior protocols as freely as they can. I could care less whether or not they're good

>> No.73352065

>>73351948
>From everything we know about them they seem to just be a ravenous force that just consumes
lorelet

>> No.73352066

>>73352020
I never really liked strategems
like I get the point and have even enjoyed using them, I just don't care for them from a design standpoint
lore wise I dunno, probably primaris marines and cawl
it's a basic bitch response but it's also true

>> No.73352078

>>73352020
these guys >73352054
now, boltguns or bolters for looks on primaris? Someone had a picture of one with a normal bolter if I remember correctly

>> No.73352081

>>73352020
Orkz

>> No.73352083

>>73352020
The price

>> No.73352084

>>73352051
I would assume GW removes them sooner or later and just has them as generic lord/sorcerer models.

>> No.73352088

>>73351994
It's cute that you think it's just a rules issue. You obviously weren't here when the warzone damocles books came out. The rage and reeee because of the lore of those books was incredible.

>> No.73352090

Manlet squatting really can't come soon enough, its actually painful knowing its likely going to be another decade until they get around to redoing GK.

>> No.73352094

>>73352059
>parking lot
not this edition apparently
>saviour protocols
either it gets put in line with other factions bodyguard abilities or everyone else bodyguards become tau drones

>> No.73352095

>>73351749
>Are they going to have a huge list of the points cost for every unit in the game in the rulebook?

Yes. They rarely change stats anymore. Instead, they change points costs and add stratagems. The new edition will have the latest points costs.

>I am also extremely confused about chapter approved and psychic awakening, are the stat changes on those mandatory to use for matched play?

They don't have stats changes. They might include the stat blocks of new units, but they won't change existing ones. They generally add new warlord traits and stratagems. They aren't mandatory but they tend to be very useful.

>> No.73352100

>>73351884
>Plagueburst Crawlers
>No penalty for moving and shooting their mortars
>Non LOS firing to circumvent new terrain rules
>Plaguespitters for melting infantry lines and and anything trying to bog them down
Can't wait

>> No.73352109

>>73352029
That's very ablist of you anon. I'll have you know that marvel cross-consoomers have trouble with complicated things like options and creativity. Monopose kits help them join the hobby.

>> No.73352111

>>73352020
How hard it is to gauge the strength of an emey unit. You have to know their stats, their weapons, their stratagems, their subfaction bonuses and the auras they're benefitting from.

>> No.73352117

>>73352090
Blame the faggotry of loyalist players. GW wasn't able to give them the same treatment they gave CSM because of how badly they'd freak out about being replaced.

>> No.73352122

>>73352090
At this point I wish GW would just squat or update GK to primaris so I no longer have to see any of those piss poor "conversions" people do. You know, the ones where they glue random GK bits on a primarine and call it an improvement. It physically hurts to look at.

>> No.73352131

>>73352043
>no corrosion
>no really warped parts
>no bugs
>no horns breaking through plating
>slime got WEfags excited thinking they were getting red butchers because the fist lacked the usual DG look

>> No.73352136

>>73352088
>lore
Ah yes the refuge of the sperg

>> No.73352137

>>73352095
>They rarely change stats anymore. Instead, they change points costs and add stratagems.
This is such a huge problem for the game's health and enjoyability. I fucking hate it.

>> No.73352157

How many points till I can viably bring a repulsor in my list

>> No.73352159

>>73352117
>When the average CSMchad owned maybe one unit of Chaos marines among shitonnes of cultists so the update was a welcome breath of fresh air

>> No.73352163

>>73352131
Not every part of every Death Guard model is corroded or AAAAAAAA TENTACLES IM GOING INSANE

>> No.73352165

>>73352137
Don't forget they're going to raise points across the board in 9th purely so they can reduce them as part of balance, which encourages sales from the WAAC crowd.

>> No.73352172

>>73352090
>primaris grey knights
shouldn't happen, they were a secret order, cawl getting his mechandrites into it would be horrible

just remake their terminators into the chaos-scale and squat everything else, none of their new units was good anyway

>> No.73352175

>>73352137
Yeah, giving units a stratagem in order to fix it is pure cancer. The community articles praising that are a joke.
>Look, this new stratagem is so great on that one trash unit!
>Now it might be good as long as you have CP to use the stratagem, isn't that fun?

>> No.73352177

>>73352159
>tfw the update got me to dive back in and start an iron warriors army

>> No.73352183

>>73352094
>not this edition
Hopefully. I don't like T'au shooting into combat much but we'll see how castles do
>everybody becomes T'au drones
That just makes everybody obnoxious. You're still included if that's the case.

>> No.73352186

>>73352163
it is on the new ones, the rumour engine doesn't fit the death guard it's for something else

>> No.73352187

>>73351909
>>73351920
it's a warmachine warjack

>> No.73352188

New Berzerker when god damn it? I will only expand my CSM if they release a new kit for mah boys.

>> No.73352191

>>73351848
>Imagining opinions to make yourself angry
Making things up isn't going to change the fact that You Will Not Be Missed.

>> No.73352196

>>73352122
converting a full army well is a huge project for average people.

>> No.73352197

>>73352165
its also to rein in point and army size inflation that occurred during 8th

>> No.73352214

>>73352186
You clearly don't even collect Death Guard.

>> No.73352215

>>73352157
Probably 1500 until its not list crippling. I certainly wouldn't do it without being IH.

>> No.73352218

>>73352163
Take a look at the newer DG stuff and say that again.
It's less AAAAAAAA TENTACLES IM GOING INSANE and more this is the daemon that lives in my shoulder pad he likes butter spaghet

>> No.73352221

>>73352172
It’s could easily happen. All the set-up is there for it. Caw wouldn’t even have to know.
>Grey Knight important person teleports to Terra
>demands Primaris grow-tech as well as tech priests with the knowledge of how it works and how to get it going
>teleport tit all back to Titan
Done. Super easy. Saying that because Grey Knights are all secret is a baby cop-out

>> No.73352224

>>73352117
>Blame the faggotry of loyalist players.
doubt it has much to do with that

primaris are 100% a kirby thing, that was later repurposed when the the internal leadership got shaken up and they cut back on the total AoS-style-reboot for 40k.

>> No.73352226

>>73352188
Whenever GW is done with primaris

>> No.73352235

>>73352218
Honestly if it's new khornemerators I'm still happy

>> No.73352236

>>73352226
Never then.

>> No.73352241

>>73352196
>Not only GK bits glued to primarines, but also dipped in nuln oil
I think I'm gonna throw up

>> No.73352242

>>73352188
just kitbash new CSM sculpts with AoS. They look amazing.

>> No.73352246

>>73352235
Nah it's definitely DG just looks weird.

>> No.73352251

>>73351909
Might be an Iron Warriors special character

>> No.73352253 [DELETED] 

>>73352218
>"I have come for your butter spaghet"

>> No.73352256

>>73352236
Just kitbash CSM and the AoS berserker kit

>> No.73352259

Prior to ullanor did the four to be cult legions ever team up

>> No.73352269

>>73352218
>"I have come for the butter spaghet"

>> No.73352270

>>73352251
Ahahahahahahah

>> No.73352271

>>73352242
blood warriors with awkward bolt pistols and chain weapons are not amazing kek

>> No.73352274

>>73351996

We will fight diversity...with DIVERSITY

>> No.73352278

>>73352224
Oh please, GW is fully aware how insane the loyalist obsessors are. Kirby was the root, but that was always on the minds of the decision makers.
If it wasn't, we would have seen primaris chaos instead of the thousand sons and death guard upscaling.

>> No.73352285

>>73352269
nurglings-only meme-army when?

>> No.73352293

>>73352271
you use the CSM bodies brainlet

>> No.73352294

>>73352270
You'd have reacted the same way if I said IH might get a special character before Ixion came out

>> No.73352296

>>73352218
>>73352186
much tentacles
many butter spaghet
wow

>> No.73352299

>>73352285
just run them as pestillens

>> No.73352301

>>73351770
Love your models, dude. Convincing me to maybe go with metallic base tone. Unrelated, but I can't be the only person who fucking hates the arms on the havoks? What are they suposed to do? All their joints are on the same fucking axis, it makes me sperg that they wouldn't be able to reach the missiles much less the launcher itself.

>> No.73352308

>>73352183
Shooting into combat unfortunately makes riptides (a big source of peoples ass pain) better
If everyone becomes tau drones, others can at least do more frustrating things with their bodyguards but drones are cheap so im hoping drones get nerfed to work like everybody elses

>> No.73352323

>What do you think of my Ghost army? They're primed white, washed with Nihilakh Oxide and dry brushed white again. Do you want to hear their lore? It's pretty epic!

>> No.73352327

>>73352296
>every plate is deformed, dented and corroded
not really helping your point

>> No.73352331

Anyone have a picture of Tallasar blue contrast over silver? Looking for an easy way to do force weapons

>> No.73352334

>>73352323
I would love ghosts if we didn’t already have legion of the damned as precedent

>> No.73352336

>GW thinks nerfed often, hardly any strat synergy, no legion traits, bad LD, bad save, almost no options cultists are worth 6pts

if this is the logic they follow for applying points how expensive are gsc neophytes or guardsmen gonna be given they're actually kinda good

>> No.73352340

>>73352323
>>73352299
wrong general, dude

>> No.73352352

>>73352340
nope... I've seen Ghost Space Marine, ghost eldar, ghost guard...

>> No.73352368

>>73352336
Yet another person that does not understand what all units getting more expensive means.

>> No.73352389

>>73351909
Death Guard Dreadnought

>> No.73352393

>>73352368
it means that some can get more expensive than others

>> No.73352398

>>73352368
He's right in a way. No one will use cultist anymore. 4-6 for them while necron warriors went up 11-12 is arbitrary, and looks like a transparent attempt at soft squatting from play to punish multi formation.

>> No.73352399

>>73351948
>Ok but how are Tyranids intelligent enough to plan something like that out?
What kind of a retarded newfag question is that? The Hive Mind is the single most intelligent entity in the entire setting.

>> No.73352400

>>73352368
cultist increasing by 50% and Intercessors increasing by 13% was pretty indefensible and a horrible precedent to start with

>> No.73352404

>>73351909
>>73351920
hope its a EC terminator

>> No.73352406

>>73352020
Smaller and smaller boxes with a bigger price tag.

>> No.73352409

>>73352323
My Nighthaunt are the best Nighthaunt

>> No.73352413

Hmmm anon, from my records it says that you only bought one box of Dark Imperium throughout the whole of 8th Edition. Care to explain?

>> No.73352415

>>73352393
It also means people jumping through all kind of mental hoops to convince themselves only their favorite unit got more expensive.

>> No.73352416

>>73352196
>legs and torsos have no inscriptions on them, which is part of the aegis

Anyone who converts primaris GK needs to be castrated for sidelining a main piece of GK lore for MUH TROOSCALE

>> No.73352443

>>73352413
>Easily spent over €1000 since the start of 8th
I wish that were true.

>> No.73352444

>>73352400
5x intercessors with a hammer and auto rifles for 121 points is rough man, and that's if gear doesn't go up.

>> No.73352446

>>73352020
<Imperium>

>> No.73352457

>>73352413
Just don't like 'umies.

>> No.73352466

>>73352444
im sorry the best troop choice in the game got slightly more expensive, while other units are almost doubling in price.

>> No.73352468

>>73352398
Nobody was using necron warriors. Comparing the most used infantry unit of CSM to something people only field when they are okay with losing is a good example of the mental hoops I was talking about.

>>73352400
Using percentages is one of the best ways to fool people.
>All income will increase by 2%, hurray!
>That this means that low wage only gets a couple of bucks more each month, and higher wage enough to buy another house or yacht doesn't matter, it's equal everybody!

>> No.73352470

>>73352413
must be a mixup in your records, I bought zero

>> No.73352478

Kitting around with my chaos lads, and wanted to make sure I got something right.

If I take a Death Guard detachment an Alpha Legion detachment and plague marines in that alpha legion detachment, can I use death guard strats that only specify they need to be used on plague marines on the Alpha Legion plague marines? For instance, Trench Fighters or Putrid Fecundity?

>> No.73352483

We are going to beat you to death

>> No.73352489

>>73352020
Imperial Fists players, always waacfags or massive basedboys.

>> No.73352490

>>73352444
No where near as rough as a full squad of cultists that bring basically nothing to the table

>> No.73352494

>>73352478
I really like plague marines, but not a whole lot else about death guard.

>> No.73352495

>>73352468
But its not a apples to oranges comparison.

Its comparing some of the best two troop choices in the game at the moment.

>> No.73352496

>>73352483
But PAGK are a shooty unit

>> No.73352502

>>73351584
So what's the fucking point of PA Pariah?It's almost WD Index Astartes level 'update'

>> No.73352503

>>73352241
show us your conversions anon, so we can learn. After or prior to that you can take some alcazaltzer.

>> No.73352522

>>73352468
what a terrible comparison.

Cultists were only really useful for CP farming. Intercessors are some of the best troops in the game at the moment.

Unless there's something were missing, it was a baffling decision.

>> No.73352526

>>73352494
Oter legions can still use them

>> No.73352533

>>73352502
Yeah its a cockup
They couldve easily shoved deathwatch and harlequins in there to “fill it up” albeit at the cost of pissing off cron and sister players (lol)

>> No.73352541

>>73352483
>Every other Grey Knight I've seen is extremely shiny and clean
>These guys still look shiny but seem less clean and more darkened
I really like it anon

>> No.73352542

>>73352494
yeah, each one of them is a work of love

except the helmet guy and the nadesman, you know the ones

>> No.73352543

>Marinefags have to actually think, consider pts and not just auto consoom the best cookie cutter shit
>Taufags gutted
>Hordefags on suicide watch
How could 9th be made any better?

>> No.73352550

>>73352468
cultist being "used" is disingenuous, required then sitting around on the board doing nothing is more apt. The best infantry on a per point basis are likely skitarii rangers currently.

>> No.73352552

>>73352478
You can only use death guard strats on Plage marines in the death guard detatchment

>> No.73352560

>>73352543
Manlets and Nids getting squatted

>> No.73352565

>>73352478
You can't use strategems from a codex to affect units from a different codex.
Example: You can't use Daemon codex Strategems on DG codex Daemons.
So to answer your question, no you can't use DG strategems on Plague Marines in a CSM detachment.

>> No.73352566

>>73352503

>> No.73352570

>>73352490
Their intent, and likely result was that you just don't take them. In that case they technically impact list building far less.

>> No.73352571

>>73352502
There is some reason to believe that partway through the Psychic Awakening development they completely scrapped their original plans and winged it.

It appears that originally the 9e starter box was going to be AdMech vs Necrons following up on Forgebane but they decided having a starter box without Marines was sacrilege so they shunted the AdMech release off to Engine War and swapped it out with more Primaris. Who knows what other changes and ramifications that had.

>> No.73352575

>>73352495
Cultist are not the best troop. They only get used because chaos marines are absolute garbage. So bad that bringing worst conscripts is better.

>> No.73352583

>>73352502
Crons gonna wait for 9th ed to get their update
And then get powercreeped over the course of 9th ed as a result.

>> No.73352588

>>73352565
>You can't use strategems from a codex to affect units from a different codex.
There is nothing in the rules preventing that. GW specifically had to change daemons and CSM keywords so ppl could no longer use certain stratagems with certain units.

>> No.73352589

>>73352560
>squatting nids
Shittest possible taste.

>> No.73352596

>>73352542
Which ones?

>> No.73352597

Dubs or funniest image gets to choose which Craftworld I paint up

>> No.73352598

>Grey knight helmets sold out everywhere
Who of you did this? and tips on sculpting my own knightly SM helmets

>> No.73352601

>>73352522
GW thinks cultist are used because they are cheap. Not because chaos marines are shit and the CP, detachment and stratagem system is broken at its core

>> No.73352603

Where are these new points values coming from?

>> No.73352605

>>73352575
not true. They are some of the best because it enables Chaos soupfagging - which is required for them to compete against Primarisfags

>> No.73352618

>>73352598
Buy one helmet then cast it a million times with bluestuff.

>> No.73352620

>>73352543
Imperial Guard are still gonna be cancer

>> No.73352626

>>73352605
>soup bitching
Post discarded

>> No.73352627

>>73352598
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Dark-Angels-Legion-Heads-Upgrade-Set

>> No.73352630

>>73352588
Q: When a Stratagem from Codex: Chaos Daemons uses the DAEMON keyword, can it be used to affect any unit with the DAEMON keyword, or only units with the DAEMON Faction keyword?
A: These Stratagems can only affect units with the DAEMON Faction keyword.

You can't use cross-codex strategems, anon.

>> No.73352632

>>73352601
correct

>> No.73352633

>>73352597
Biel-tan

>> No.73352635

>>73352597
none

>> No.73352639

>>73352583
Tfw I collect both Death Guard and Necrons

>> No.73352640

>>73352502
We have been over this. The release manager said that the Necron codex is around the corner. So it would be pointless to write Necron stuff in the PA and then rewrite them again in the codex.

>> No.73352645

>>73352605
>soupfagging
Which is now dead for everyone in 9th, so why are cultists so expensive going into 9th

>> No.73352646

>>73352543
Simple.
WE codex
except its utter shit and unplayable even in casual games

>> No.73352649

>>73352633
Well fuck, that didn't take long and that's what I was hoping for. Huh.

>> No.73352650

>>73352639
Maybe DG will get a late 9th ed release like SM 2.0

>> No.73352651

>>73352597
your own
>Neon Pink, Lime Green!
DO IT!
>>73352618
>get a single helmet
I can't, its sold out everywhere I look
>>73352627
>buying directly from forgeworld

>> No.73352653

>>73352633
H-he's fast!

>> No.73352657

>>73352626
>accurately describing 8th edition
>soup bitching
nigger what

>> No.73352661

>>73352640
>The release manager said that the Necron codex is around the corner.
Which we already knew anyways, I dont know how this is coming as a surprise to literally anyone with half a functioning brain.

>> No.73352664

>>73352640
They could've just shove DW and Clowns there to make it look better instead of putting them in WD?

>> No.73352665

Are primaris marines really as tall model ways as Custodes? Save for helmet height.

>> No.73352667

>>73352543
Tau player here, unfortunately the reason why most Tau players are assblasted is because everything that's been revealed either nerfs or makes redundant a ton of stuff that we have that ISN'T triptide. Triptide is really boring to play and personally I just like to have dakka, but the only other strong list out right now is FSE and that's looking like it won't hold up in 9th.

>> No.73352673

>>73352664
The shit was already printed months in advance

>> No.73352677

>>73352630
That is what GW had to change about CSM and Daemons to prevent certain broken combo's, yes.

But everything else still goes. As long as the required keywords are there you totally can.

>> No.73352679

>>73352645
Precisely. That's why i said above that it was a baffling decision.

The only possible reason i can think of is GW pricing CSM to enable them to be spammed

>> No.73352681

>>73352657
Cultist do not allow by themself soup. You can do it with chaos marines too. So hardly a point to bring up

>> No.73352682

>>73352645
>now dead
premature, people forget you get a point every round. You can likely buy multiple formations and end up netting more cp over a game than 8th.

>> No.73352684

>>73352552
>>73352565
Even if they only specify being used on units with the 'plague marine' keyword?

>> No.73352686

>>73351770
What are you washing over the silver to achieve that color?

>> No.73352690

>>73352665
No. They are taller.

>> No.73352697

>>73351584
So who won in War of the Spider? Bile obviously?

>Imperium is getting assfucked in almost every PA books and will lose in Pariah as well

>> No.73352699

>>73352681
agree to disagree. they save close to 100 points in a normal CSM soup list

>> No.73352703

>>73352059
All bodyguard abilities should intercept the hit, nothing else.

>> No.73352705

>>73352679
This is literally it and it's obvious why.

>everyone already owns a million cultists
>GW just made new CSM boxes they want to sell

>> No.73352718

I've seen posts here and there saying there's going to be a universal point-hike for most/all models in the new edition. If that's the case, should I hold off on putting an army list together until after 9th comes out?

>> No.73352721

>>73352705
Trying to sell csm by making the other options even worse isn't gonna work. People will just stop playing CSM all together.

>> No.73352722

>>73352697
Bile made out like a bandit with custodes dna and deathguard relic

>> No.73352726

>>73352478
>plague marines with alpha legion traits plus DR and all other plague marine goodies
That is clearly an exploit, dont be that guy anon. Plus if it was actually a thing tournament fags would have been running alpha legion plague marines for years now.

>> No.73352732

>>73352705
>tfw just finished converting and painting Neophyte Hybrids as cultists

>> No.73352740

>>73352697
Pariah will end on a cliffhanger since it's meant as an introduction and opened for 9th ED and the new Necron vs SM box that happens in the same warzone.

>> No.73352741

>>73352301
>it makes me sperg that they wouldn't be able to reach the missiles much less the launcher itself
I guess thats what the claw game arm is for
>>73352686
Just Agrax over Ironbreaker

>> No.73352745

>>73352718
Everybody considering to start 40k or expand their army should wait until 9th is released.

>> No.73352746

Look what I've found!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmY-22Ghqwc

>> No.73352748

>>73352677
>>73352684
Actually you're right. The CHAOS DAEMONS one seems to be an exception. As long as it only has PLAGUE MARINE you can use it on your CSM detachment.

>> No.73352749

>new terrain rules allows us to shoot you out of LoS and you cant see us
>new melee rules allows us to completely fuck you over with multiple units charging etc
>new cp system allows us more base cp as we're an elite army
>Can also get 2cp a turn now because of the +1cp power and the natural 1cp per turn of 9th

FUCK PRIMARIS
AND FUCK PRIMARISFAGS
WE
ARE
THE
HAMMER

>> No.73352757

>>73352690
>Sisters get to be 225cm
>Im not even on this scala

>> No.73352758

>>73352699
>dense motherfucker
You are basically agreeing with cultist only being brought because they are cheap, not because they are good. They do not allow soup by themself you can do it with regular chaos marines, just more expensive.
If you want people to use chaos marine in chaos marine armies make them worth using, like the Primaris incest squads.

>> No.73352769

>>73352705
Joke's on them, I have a bunch of CSM and Cultists, so I'll just pick and choose what to use.

>> No.73352770

>>73352732
>>73352721
Time to dunk our csm in Nurgles rot and say the cultists are poxwalkers boys. WE DEATH GUARD NOW

>> No.73352780

>>73352758
You couldn't afford the soup without the savings cultists provide you double nigger

>> No.73352783

>>73352705
true csm fans have chaos marines to use. the waacfagers are the ones with 60 cultists and no marines.

>> No.73352784

>>73352749
Surf's up, brother

>> No.73352796

"Psychic Awakening : Pariah" is named after the Pariah Nexus which a huge zone of space under the influence of the Pylon effect.

Did GW bait and switch the fans? Fans expected that Pariah meant a return of Necron Pariahs but turns out it's not. They could have named the Nexus anything else. Did they pick Pariah to tease the fans?

>> No.73352799

>>73351658

>> No.73352804

I got a recast dread, except for the gun it's not bad and will barely notice once its painted, thoughts?

>> No.73352812

>>73352783
That's nice, anon. But GW doesnt care what kind of player you are, the money all looks the same to them.

>> No.73352814

>>73352780
100 points hardly a noticeable tax. Even for chaos it just allows you squeeze a bit more.

>> No.73352817

>>73352796
I mean, psychic blanks in general are called pariah's. I can see where the necronfags are coming from, but it is just very, very wishful thinking. Hope being the first step and all that.

>> No.73352821

>>73352804
even the worst recast looks fine after being painted. You can always add battle damage to draw eyes away if its very bad.

>> No.73352825

>>73352796
>you can never use this word because the fans might have a brain fart and then blame you for their own delusions.
Nah.

>> No.73352828

>>73352749
I don't normally go in for the bullshit gw pushes marine rules conspiracies but how do you give tides to gk so they smite for 2 in the same damn book as the 1k sons rules.

>> No.73352830

>>73352814
>100 points
>not noticeable

>> No.73352839

>>73352821
Except for a couple thin bits I'm pretty pleased with it like, all the WE details are pretty crisp, only took 2 weeks to arrive also

>> No.73352840

>>73352571
>It appears that originally the 9e starter box was going to be AdMech vs Necrons following up on Forgebane but they decided having a starter box without Marines was sacrilege so they shunted the AdMech release off to Engine War
Bullshit. Nothing the admech got is starer set stuff.

>> No.73352844

>>73352726
>obviously an exploit
>but actually wait no it can't be good cuz it's not being used
Which one, anon. I just want to smile and use plague bois that don't suck cock, and have actual ranged units like havocs supporting them.
They're not great, hence stacking things to make them fun enough to use without being crippling to take
>>73352748
heck yes

>> No.73352846

Rolled 1, 4 = 5 (2d6)

Test

>> No.73352855

>>73352814
There's no way you actually play the game

>> No.73352864

>>73352187
>It's a dead game warnoun

>> No.73352866

>>73352839
[SPOILER]what recaster did you use for that fast of a turnaround [/SPOILER]

>> No.73352870

I warned you all that admech just needed a decent PA to turn broken. Hope you're all enjoying the last days of 8th with our cyborg overlords!

>> No.73352882

>>73352840
Look at the base of that Necron support walker in the box set. You can see the chassis of a Kastelan Robot on it

>> No.73352886

>>73351948
one of the most embarrassing lore posts i've ever seen on this board

>> No.73352898

>>73352020
Players who play Tau because they’re the good guys

>> No.73352900

>>73352840
multiple necron units have Ad mech bits on their bases.

>> No.73352904

>>73352882
So?

>> No.73352907

>>73352699
It's 45, but okay.

>> No.73352909

So am I blind, or does FW not sell Boltguns? All I can find are the ones (they might be pistols) in that space wolves upgrade kit. Where do I get Boltguns for the marines? Bits shops online sell em for, like, $3 a piece. There's not an official kit for them?

>> No.73352914

>>73352840
Then why are there pieces of destroyed AdMech stuff on the Necron starter set model bases, and why was AdMech the only force in all of PA to get some big multi-kit release instead of one hero model? It definitely feels like these forces were intended to face off at some earlier stage of development but GW swapped over to the current set up a little way through the long process.

>> No.73352918

>>73352909
>where do I get boltguns for the marines
on the marine sprue? tacs come with a lot

>> No.73352919

>>73352020
GW routinely take the dumbest, most backward, and typically completely ineffectual or incorrect route in game design and balance.

>> No.73352921

>>73352904
it supports the idea that the new set was supposed to be necron vs admech, and the marines were added in.
>>73352907
and you usually do it twice. so 90 points. which is why i said "close to 100"

>> No.73352925

>>73352866
It was from ali express, the last thing i ordered took 8 weeks to arrive so I was shocked when this showed in the post this morning

>> No.73352927

>>73352909

Literally any generic space marine kit has 10+ bolters

>> No.73352930

>>73352918
Yeah, with the hands molded on

God I miss the old kits.

>> No.73352947

>>73352909
Holy shit you're right, they're gone. Looks like recasters really are the only way to get 95% of what used to be in FW's catalogue now.

>>73352918
FW used to sell sets of 10 of each of the specific boltgun patterns

>> No.73352950

>>73352830
>>73352855
As in to claim that cultist are the reason why chaos can soup. No it is not. Cultist make it easier, but not the reason

>> No.73352955

>>73352921
The Soup detachment is 3x3 Nurglings, rarely anyone actually brings 60 cultists in competitive.

Alpha Legion Battalion
Nurgle/Nurgle Demon Battalion
Thousand Sons Supreme Command / Flawless Host Supreme Command

>> No.73352956

>>73352914
>why was AdMech the only force in all of PA to get some big multi-kit release
Because they had the kits ready. We got news about the flyer ages ago.
>It definitely feels like these forces were intended to face off at some earlier stage of development
Highly doubtful.

>>73352921
>it supports the idea that the new set was supposed to be necron vs admech, and the marines were added in.
No it doesn't. There's no rule to base decoration.

>> No.73352957

>>73352918
>>73352927
So in addition to a FW marine set, I'd need to get another marine set just to harvest the Bolters from?

I might've phrased the question wrong. *Do They Sell Boltguns By Themselves?

>> No.73352959

Another thing about the upcoming lore.

People who feel the effect of the Pylons feel weak and emotionless before going into a deep sleep they will never awaken from. That's the effect of their souls being removed from their bodies as the Warp is sealed away by the Pylons.

This is DIRECTLY stolen from AoS. When the Deepkin steal souls from their victims, they fall into a state of lethargic apathy before entering an endless sleep.Is there anything sacred? Will 40K stop stealing concepts and ideas from AoS?

>> No.73352963

>>73351584
How do you meet with people to play 40k? The only place around that does 40k is a GW Warhammer store, as the only other game shop closed down.

>> No.73352969

>>73352956
>Because they had the kits ready
Yeah almost like they designed a bunch of AdMech kits in parallel with a bunch of Necron kits or something???

>> No.73352982

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/23/faction-focus-tyranidsgw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-4/

Tyranid rules are up

>> No.73352983

>>73352959
>This is DIRECTLY stolen from AoS
It's the same lore writers working for the same company making two games that have the same Warp and same Chaos Gods and even the same weird unique fungus Orks. Nothing is "stolen" between the two of them you absolute fucking retard.

>> No.73352992

>>73352947
Ah. I only recently started, so I didn't know if they were missing or not. Thank you for clearing that up anon.

On the other hand, wow that sucks. I also remember seeing some weirdly proportioned marines from HH somewhere and I couldn't find them either. I guess they stopped selling those too.

>> No.73353000

>>73352963
>playing 40k

>> No.73353007

So this cover will give you a -1 to be hit and a cover save? Gonna be crazy for some models

>> No.73353013

>>73352959
That's been the effect of losing your soul/connection to the warp in both 40k and faantasy fro decades. Souls and warp stuff work the same in the two settings. Are you going to complain that they both have Chaos Demons?

>> No.73353017

>>73352956
>Cawl extremely relevant in the current lore
>Mass release of new AdMech models, including a new Start Collecting
>Necrons and AdMech is a classic matchup
>Random Kastelan Robot chassis on the base of the Necron walker despite AdMech being completely absent in the battle in the trailer
Use your head you fucking mong

>> No.73353019

>>73352957
Why would you ever buy FW marines

>> No.73353021

>>73352969
No, like they had designed a bunch of admech kits.
None of the admech kits are easy to build, which is the hallmark of a new edition.

>> No.73353025

>>73352950
They are the reason Chaos soup works. Im sorry you're wrong.

>> No.73353029

So lads, think flamers, heavy flamers, etc are actually going to be worth using in 9th?

We've had an entire fucking edition with them being garbage bin trash to the point even units based around them couldn't be salvaged despite point cost drops.

>> No.73353036

>>73353007
Only if the terrain also provides soft cover as well

>> No.73353038

>>73352982
It's a big fucking nothingburger. God damn.

>> No.73353049

>>73353007
Christ their rule wording is so fucking clunky

>> No.73353050

>>73352955
That is one list. the others use 2 CSM battalions.

>> No.73353052

01001000 01101111 01110111 00100000 01100100 01101111 00100000 01001001 00100000 01100111 01100101 01110100 00100000 01100001 00100000 01010100 01100101 01100011 01101000 00100000 01010000 01110010 01101001 01100101 01110011 01110100 00100000 01000111 01000110 00111111

>> No.73353063

>>73353007
Holy shit they actually figured out a way to make TLoS worse

Just use fucking area terrain rules GW. Christ. The cancerous ITC fags influeincing the game design are responsible for this, I fucking know it.

>> No.73353072

>>73353007
What the fuck is the point of Alpha Legion trait now?

>> No.73353074

>>73353007
God that rule is so fucking clumsily written, but I'll take clunky wording that gets the job done over 8ths overly streamlined shit full of loopholes that need to be errata'd.

Also, just good in general to have -1 to hit cover.

>> No.73353077

>>73353038
So just like very faction focus so far?

>> No.73353079

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/23/faction-focus-tyranidsgw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-4/

So, since the acid spray isn't a blast weapon I'm assuming non of the flamers are ? On one hand you can shoot in melee but it seems pretty fucking dumb that they don't hit more against hordes.

>> No.73353081

>>73353025
No. It would be the reason if bringing cultist allowed the soup. You can soup without them.
Cultist make it efficient due to how broken and bad chaos marine are along with how shit the entire CP, Stratagem and detachment system is at its core.
Stop being obtuse

>> No.73353082

>>73353017
>AdMech got a release
>Therefore they were meant to be in the new set despite space marines always being in there!
Use yours.

>> No.73353088

>>73353052
01010100 01110010 01111001 00100000 01101000 01100101 01111000 01100001 01101101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01100011 00100000 01101001 01101110 01110011 01110100 01100101 01100001 01100100 00100000 01101111 01100110 00100000 01101111 01110101 01110100 01100100 01100001 01110100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110

>> No.73353091

>>73353079
They already said that no flamer was a blast weapon.

>> No.73353101

>>73353029
Marines with long range marksmen use flamers just fine anon, in fact its a dominant strategy ;)

>> No.73353107

>>73353082
>use admech bits in a starter set vs primaris
use yours

>> No.73353109

>>73352982
Why the fuck is a stratagem something that should be in the datasheet of warriors?

>> No.73353110

>>73353072
it's pointless. the AL trait basically just allows enemies to move and shoot heavy weapons on infantry without penalties.

>> No.73353111

>>73353082
>

>> No.73353114

>>73352502
>He doesn't use the narrative play sections

>> No.73353115

>>73353007
wordy rules for the wordy throne

>> No.73353123

>>73353081
If you're being autistic around the word "can", sure. Being a pedantic cunt gets you nowhere.

>> No.73353124

>>73353091
Why the fuck does GW refuse to fix flamer? Are they scared to admit that the issue was never templates but their shit rules and autistic fags that are not welcomed anywhere

>> No.73353127

>>73353079
I think it makes sense, the max # of blast shots representing the inherent lethality a weapon of that caliber has against tightly-packed groups of enemies while the random number of flamer shots just represents how big a spurt of fuel the firing model throws out.

>> No.73353131

>>73353079
>Flamers will be extremely good at clearing shit off of your vehicles and monsters
>Want them to have blast so they're unusable in melee
Duhhh durrr doyyyy

>> No.73353136

Is it "safe" to get stuff from the Chinese?
I would really like the particular thing they're selling, but I don't know if my life and lungs are worth it.

>> No.73353140

>>73353107
Yeah, guess what, base material means nothing, and never has.

>>73353111
Calm down, retard.

>> No.73353142

>>73353007
Could someone explain that rule to me in English?

>> No.73353143

>>73353079
>>73353029
>>73353091
Ah, so flamers are destined to be useless in 9th as well
Bummer, they look cool and would fit a niche.
>>73353109
GW is terrified and/or too retarded to change profiles so they just bandaid with stratagems instead for some godawful fucking reason.
It's probably the influence of the ITC testers.

>> No.73353148

Explain Dense Terrain to me. Im a brainlet.

>> No.73353149

>>73353063
Area terrain is a thing 9e, this trait can just apply to more than ust area terrain is all.

It's wordy but honestly makes sense.

>> No.73353150

>>73353072
alpha legion trait is still broken, your waacfagging sensibilities shouldn't be threatened that its being threatened by terrain and all the unwashed legions might get conditional get -1 hit occasionally.

>> No.73353154

>>73353136
>Is it "safe" to get stuff from the Chinese?
Lmfao no. Even if corona doesnt get you, cancer fumes will.

>> No.73353158

>>73353136
What's wrong anon, you don't like rolling the dice?

>> No.73353162

>>73353124
Consider that most flamer type weapons released in the past yearish have all been at least 9" and it indicates they might actually be trying to fix them.

Also consider that flamers already eliminate the variance on hitting the target, removing shot count as well might make them slightly too good.

>> No.73353165

>>73353154
Cancer fumes?

>> No.73353167 [SPOILER] 

>>73352959
>He doesn't know AoS and 40k are the same

>> No.73353168

>>73353142
Just read it, it explains it clearly.

>> No.73353175

>>73353165
Breathing in cheap chinese resin dust is a great way to get lung cancer.

>> No.73353179

>>73353091
Well fuck, here I was hoping they would be useful again (except maybe on vehicles). Here I go hitting once while I'm using a fucking flamethrower against a swarm of nids / orks.

>> No.73353181

>>73353079
it is much better for them to shoot in melee, anon

>> No.73353183

>>73353017
none of what you're saying makes logical sense. we knew about the admech kits a long time ago, the kits themselves are the complete opposite of what a start collecting/edition box would contain, marines always have and always will be the edition starter box for obvious reasons, and a dead model on a base means jack fucking shit from a lore perspective, if it did nu-abaddon would've came out the same time as guilliman instead of years later

the dead beepboop is just little homage to the necron v admech rivalry they've built over the last years

>> No.73353184

>>73353140
>base material means nothing because i say it doesnt.
Its very odd, jarring, and confusing for new players.

>> No.73353186

>>73353148
if everyone of the models in the target (or every part of the hull of a tank) is behind the terrain, then they get shot with a malus to the hit roll

>> No.73353187

>>73353142
shit behind sandbags is -1 hit unless its sticking out the side, infront of them, or the shooting unit has an angle.

>> No.73353190

>>73353123
Just pointing out the blant lie of:
>>73352605
>They are some of the best because it enables Chaos soupfagging
>enables Chaos soupfagging
>enables
Its like saying coughing is the reason why you are sick. When it is just a symptom.

>> No.73353199

>>73353165
It's a meme.
Resin dust like all fine particles can damage your lungs. But There's nothing especially cancerous about Chinese recast compared to other minis.

>> No.73353203

Alpha Primus model and rules when? Mechanicus need a powerup

>> No.73353205

>>73353175
Fucking dammit, they're the only ones I know who have the specific thing.

That sucks.

>> No.73353206

>>73353186
Doesnt it say only 1 model needs to be out of position though, not every?

>> No.73353213

>>73353167
all fantasy settings are mere worlds inside a science fiction setting, which themselves are all inside the cosmology of another fantasy setting

>> No.73353216

>>73353179
all the templatefags said new rules would be an eternal downgrade for flamers, warned you about streamlining games bro

>> No.73353224

>Read the dense cover rules twice
>Now understand it completely
/tg/ can't read

>> No.73353225

>>73352020
Consistently terrible rules, aggressively imperium-oriented releases.

>> No.73353226

>>73353150
>legion trait enables enemies to move and shoot heavy weapons without penalty
>legion trait makes dense cover pointless
>broken

>> No.73353233

>>73353216
templates were dumb though, it was way more common for you to hit one or two models than it is now with those same weapons

>> No.73353234

>>73353203
>mechanicus needs a powerup

do you exist in this reality? Current admech is easily top tier

>> No.73353235

>>73353206
If you cant draw a straight line to every single part of one models base/hull without crossing the terrain you suffer -1 to hit unless you are in that same terrain or 3" behind it and it's an Obstacle.

>> No.73353238

>>73353184
>Its very odd, jarring, and confusing for new players.
No it's not.
>Who are these dead guys?
>>The guys the Space Marines are coming in to rescue
>Okay.
Then there's the fact Indomitus isn't a starter set intended for new players anyway.

>> No.73353239

>>73353205
Just wear a mask instead of snorting the filings from cleaning the mini and you'll be fine.

>> No.73353243

>>73353203
>powerup
>currently dominating at a lot of tournaments
>skittle HQ would be meaningless
ok retard

>> No.73353245

>>73353142
-1 to hit if you shoot at an enemy unit and the terrain is between you and them.

Doesn't work if the shooting unit is within 3" of the terrain or inside it.

>> No.73353246

>>73353206
all models must be in cover to get the malus

if only one model sticks out fully or one part of the hull does, then the shooting unit knows where they are and can shoot without malus

>> No.73353248

>>73352111
nice trips, my advice to you is to play more

>> No.73353253

>>73353150
>legion trait that does literally nothing
>broken
what?

>> No.73353255

>>73353162
I recall some autistic discussion about flamers being better than storm bolters for SoB
Yes they are better in only one situation:
When overwatching and rolling 3 hits.
Every other situation flamers are absolute waste, to the point of being better not bringing them at all

>> No.73353256

>>73353234
I'm kidding but a Alpha Primus model would be cool even if he's borderline Lord of War

>> No.73353263

>>73353238
>its not odd because i say it isn't

>> No.73353264

Bring back templates

>> No.73353267

>>73353246
>>73353186

>malus

what

>> No.73353268

>>73353238
>Indomitus isn't a starter set intended for new players anyway.
how so?

>> No.73353272

>>73353136
It is safe to buy shit from china, all resin dust is bad for your lungs so just make sure when you sand/saw it there is ventilation

>> No.73353277

>>73353246
>or one part of the hull
No, if any part of the hull is covered then you have -1

>> No.73353285

>>73353267
Penalty to hit.

>> No.73353290

>>73353245
Thank you anon. That's the most concise explanation i've gotten so far.

>> No.73353291

>>73353267
a malus is the opposite of a bonus
>bonus of +1 to the hit roll
>malus of -1 to the hit roll

>> No.73353292

>>73351634
The pipes look like an instrument.

>> No.73353294

>>73353216
A lot of things are stacked against flamers, the point price, the 8" range when you'll be deepstriking at 9" or overwatching against 9" deepstrikers, the random number of shots. Shooting in melee with vehicles is nice but I don't think it'll be enough to make them viable unless they're cheaper.

>> No.73353296

>>73353277
What does hull mean to a mdoel?

>> No.73353297

>>73353268
They litterally said its not, its meant to be a celebration box for preexisting players

>> No.73353305

>>73353017
>>Necrons and AdMech is a classic matchup
The first time they were paired together was Forgebane two years ago. Ultramarines and Necrons have way more actual history as a match-up. The first BL novel featuring Necrons in 2002 had them fighting the UM 4th company. At Damnos The Necrons kicked the 2nd Company's ass so hard that Calgar mobilized the whole Chapter to reconquer the planet. Sautekh, the biggest Dynasty, borders Ultramar.

>> No.73353306

Hamburger cheeseburger big mac whopper
Hamburger cheeseburger big mac whopper
Hamburger cheeseburger big mac whopper
Big mac big mac big mac whopper

>> No.73353308

>>73353268
Not him but they've said Indomitus isn't a starter set at all. It's a commemorative special set for the new edition.

>> No.73353310

>>73353291
I googled it and it said its a type of apple

>> No.73353313

>>73353296
The vehicle itself opposed the base

>> No.73353318

>>73353297
Because they aren't "wasting" money on dice and rulers. It's still a fantastic starter set.

>> No.73353319

>>73353277
oh wow, now big models are going to tip-toe their way inside 3" tall terrain

>> No.73353320

>>73353203
CYRAXUS WHEN?

DON'T WANT SHITTY KNIGHTS TO FIELD A SUPER HEAVY

I WANT MY BIG FUCK OFF ORDINATII

>> No.73353327

>>73353233
Even with autistic spreading that never happen was mostly done by marinefags. it was strange to just get 2 models. Usually 3+ was the norm

>> No.73353333

>>73353264
I would sort of like templates back even though they could slow the game down some as you tried to count the models under a big pie plate. I think people with really nice paint jobs also tended to dislike dealing with templates due to the chance of accidentally damaging models. They could make flamer type weapons more predictable by going to a 2dX keep highest on number of hits which would make them less swingy than they currently are while also avoiding bringing back templates.

>> No.73353334

>>73353318
Its a good set to start an army maybe not start 40k

>> No.73353335

>>73353334
why

>> No.73353338

>>73353263
>It's odd because I say it is

>> No.73353339

>>73353297
>dark imperium is discontinued
you're a retard if you think indomitus is not a starter set
>but they said it's limited
only the version with the extra heroes and the limited edition rulebook, it's shit they've done before

>> No.73353343

>>73353291
Malus comes from the Latin word for bad "Mal", and Bonus comes from the Greek word good for good "bone"

>> No.73353344

>>73353333
Checked

>> No.73353346

>>73352828
Honestly thats one of the weaker tides

Tide of Shadows and the +1S+Damage to Psi weapons are the 2 tides you should always be in

>> No.73353351

>>73353338
Its odd because you're fighting against Space Marines.

You haven't explained why it isn't strange except your feelings.

>> No.73353354

>>73353320
>CYRAXUS WHEN?
When hell freezes over and I loose my virginity so never

>> No.73353357

>>73353306
>Playing Burgers in a Chicken meta
Fucking CAAGfags, will they ever learn?

>> No.73353359

>>73353339
>you're a retard if you think indomitus is not a starter set
It's not, they've said its not. It's a limited set and will eventually be split into two separate starter kits.

>> No.73353365

>>73353344
Also checked

>> No.73353373

>>73353359
Yes, it just includes a rule book and 2 armies to learn to play with your mate.

but its not a starter set because daddy gw said so

>> No.73353376

>>73353029
>worth using in 9th?
Absolutely not. Only units with Flamers that I can see is viable are Immolators and Hellhounds.

>> No.73353377

>>73353243
>dominating at lots of tournaments
what fucking tournaments have been going on post engine war.

>> No.73353386

>>73353320
By the will of the Omnissiah! Ordo Reductor units are being deployed

>> No.73353387

>>73352828
The Thousand Sons rules were really good though. Thousand Sons didn't need as big a power boost as GK.

>> No.73353390

I wish the prime form of shitposting on 4chan wasn't pretending to be a reading comprehension challenged retard

>> No.73353395

This 7 confirms the fist and exhaust pipes rumour engines are for Death Guard releases

>> No.73353398

>>73353320
Anon, they literally cancelled cyraxus. It was completely scrapped.

>> No.73353400

>>73353390
>pretending

>> No.73353402

>>73353373
We have a baseline for a starter set anon and this ain't it.

>> No.73353406

>>73353007
So if a knight tippy toe is obscured 1mm behind a Dense Cover, you get -1 to hit it because you can't draw a line to EVERY part of of it's base?

>> No.73353410

>>73353359
>they've said its not
It comes with two decently sized monopose armies and the main rulebook of a new edition at the start of that edition. It is literally the FUCKING DEFINITION of a starter set regardless of whether or not they call it that. Stop being an autist.

>> No.73353412

>>73353376
Death Guard flamers tend to be be really good

>> No.73353420

>>73353395
It's Traitor Guard you stinking lout.

>> No.73353421

>>73353127
>Hmmm here come 30 angry green retards to cave my skull in. I think I’ll just goose the trigger enough to hit two.

>> No.73353422

>>73353359
pretty obvious they're just framing it as not a starter set to entice veterans to purchase.

As a starter box, its extremely good.
>>73353402
It literally is. Is it not a starter set because it doesnt include plastic ruler and dice?

>> No.73353429

>>73353406
Pretty sure that 18 wounds rule would override the Knight's ability to gain cover

>> No.73353433

>>73353376
If Flamers were basically included for free in IG squads with upgrades available to replace with plasma/melta/grenade it wouldn't be completely worthless since you could enhance the unit for overwatch and provide on average an increase in shots over a lasgun but the points cost for a flamer would need to be either free or extremely low.

>> No.73353442

>>73353422
>Is it not a starter set because it doesnt include plastic ruler and dice?
Correct.
It's a Launch set because it's limited to boot.
Starter sets (Dark Imperium) last a whole edition.

>> No.73353444

>>73353422
>Is it not a starter set because it doesnt include plastic ruler and dice?
Yes, that's the baseline and has been for decades.

>> No.73353445

>>73353136
Yes stop believing in the fake flu

>> No.73353448

>>73353255
The new admech flamers are absolutely busted. Its all about toning them up to what they should be

>> No.73353455

>>73353429
But that's for Obscured, this is Dense.

>> No.73353456

>>73353406
something must be missing from the rule, like a wounds limitation like for the LOS blocking terrain
or it's absurd

>> No.73353458

>>73353306
>>73353357
>CAAC
wouldn't that be chicken at all cost tho?
he's clearly a Burger/Whopper fag

>> No.73353465

>>73353377
TTS/Euro tournies

>> No.73353468

>>73353445
Go away /x/ ain't no one got time for your shiat

>> No.73353470

>>73353444
>>73353442

As another anon mentioned, thats an extremely autistic definition of a starter sets. Even new players would rather have more models than 2 household items everyone already has.

>> No.73353473

>>73353007
Who the fuck thought making cover rules more and more complicated is a good idea?

>> No.73353480

>Can literally fucking ignore this new "dense terrain" rule with a psychic power

>> No.73353482

>>73353445
*cough*

>> No.73353495

>>73353480
who the fuck cares about gay knights, go be a manlet somewhere else

>> No.73353498

>>73353458
When will Pizza get some support?

>> No.73353500

>>73353429
Ehh sometimes Knights have to hide as well especially when some of the Forge World models hit the table. The Shadowsword titan killer volcano cannon can fuck with true Titans and Knights would have to advance in cover to take one out typically.

>> No.73353507

>>73353498
pizza is getting squatted famalam

>> No.73353508

>>73353007
does artillery's "fuck LoS" ignore this shit?

>> No.73353509

>>73353470
Yours and my definition doesn't matter.
GW never called it a starter set. It's a launch set.

>> No.73353514

They should have mentioned that Vehicles, Monsters and Titanic units can't use Dense Cover.

>> No.73353524

>>73353508
They might not. Ignoring LOS is too powerful, this might reign it in.

>> No.73353529

>>73353509
So if GW says something, its automatically true?
Imagine being you.

>> No.73353534

>>73352566
>YOU'RE NEXT

>> No.73353536

>>73352959
I mean, most of 40k started as a warhammer fantasy rip off. It's why we have things like ogryns, eldar and orks.

>> No.73353539

>>73353445
Spotted the Nurgle cultist

>> No.73353542

>>73353536
Necrons too

>> No.73353546

>>73353495
T. Seething Primarisfag

>> No.73353552

>>73352959
40K has been riding AoS's coattails for too long.

>> No.73353565

Now that the dust has settled, what went wrong?

>> No.73353567

I'll just leave this here.

>> No.73353570

>>73353351
>Its odd because you're fighting against Space Marines.
That's not odd.
>You haven't explained why it isn't strange except your feelings.
What's strange about it?

>> No.73353574

>>73353565
With what?

>> No.73353585

>>73353445
I want to believe you're trolling but my country is full of too many gullible retards that actually fall for this "COVID19 is a fake hoax conspiracy" horseshit. If you're actually one of those, kill yourself.

>> No.73353589

>>73353567
>Targeted Smite
It's ok I guess

>> No.73353591

>>73353398
Delayed indefinitely =/= cancelled

>> No.73353596

>>73353567
God I miss Initiative

>> No.73353597

>>73353213
All fiction is merely part of a greater setting called My Dick & Balls, which encompasses every facet of human experience, and is girthy and if anything too long.

>> No.73353603

>>73353570

>> No.73353608

>Strategic Reserves rules tomorrow
Hoping for good things!

>> No.73353619

>>73353567
Lol wow its shit.

>> No.73353628

Yeah, 9th edition looks fucking shit so far. Why make the core rules simpler mechanically, but then pile on loads and loads of caveats?

I was going to get back into the game but I can't be arsed.

>> No.73353635

>>73353136
What AREN'T Made in China these days?
Anyway, the virus on the surface will most likely to be dead during the time it gets to you, like in 2 weeks or something,

>> No.73353637

>>73353603
Go one, what's strange about dead people on a base?
Primaris Calgar came out with a Nid head, but he wasn't fighting Nids at the time.

>> No.73353645

>>73353628
No idea what you're on about, everything about it looks better so far.

>> No.73353651

>>73353628
>I was going to get back into the game but I can't be arsed.
Bye. I assume this means you'll stop posting here.

>> No.73353652

>>73353079
>dakkafex

minmaxing carnifices and dreadnoughts to not wield melee weapons will always be a huge mistake
gw should stop catering to little timmies who are incapable of assembling their models correctly and to tourneyfags that aren't self aware enough to realise that balancing the game around their favourite netlists will do nothing to fix the terrible internal balance of the army's choices

>> No.73353653

>>73353565
They completely went off the deep end with special rules/formations.

>> No.73353657

>>73353628
If you think 9th edition already looks too complicated, tabletop wargames are not meant for you.
Try to stick to simpler things, like fortnite on mobile and such.

>> No.73353658

>>73353645

Compared to, say 4th, no. It's worse and less fun.

>> No.73353659

>>73353567
Get that ugly bitch a headswap pronto

>> No.73353662

>>73353637
That's because Calgar and Nids is a legendary iconic matchup that goes back 30 years and was many people's introduction to the game/setting.

>> No.73353666

>>73353567
not great, not terrible. if she's 80 or so points might be a nice add for targeting characters with smite and helping your melee units

>> No.73353676

>>73353567
Why doesn't she get blammed for using a Dire Avengers Shuriken Catapult? Even if Ordo Xenos that's a pretty baller move.

>> No.73353678

>>73353657

>complex and unwieldy = deep

Idiot man

>> No.73353680

What's the 40k equivalent to the book of grudges?

>> No.73353686

>>73353658
Who the fuck is playing 4th still, we're comparing it to 8th.

>> No.73353691

>>73353465
>euro tournies
>euro
>the hellzone that's more closed off than the US ever was
???
TTS tournies is funny though. The only redeemable factor that 40k has going for it is the real world social interaction and models, and online play has none of it.
>>73353585
My favorite clip this month is a dude at the trump rally saying something like "yeah, we know a guy who died from it, and his son had it and was on a ventilator, but you know both sides spin the issue so you don't really know what the real facts are" when talking about why he's not wearing a mask.

>> No.73353695

>>73353680
deathwatch have a book full of "we hate aliens here's how to kill them ps fuck aliens" you can take as a relic

>> No.73353696

>>73353676
You have inquisitors summoning daemons and using chaos weapons but a shuriken catapult is an issue?

>> No.73353698

>>73353686

And I said I was coming back into the game maybe. I think I'll stick with my /awg/ stuff

>> No.73353705

>>73353658
>hes still comparing to 5 editions ago
Why not always play 4th then? Literally moaning about old good new bad

>> No.73353706

>>73353567
that face is awful

>> No.73353707

>>73353659
I headswap anything that doesn't have a helmet. Not wearing head protection in a battle just triggers my OCD too much.

>> No.73353709

>>73353676
she put a purity seal on it
confirmed pure

>> No.73353710

>>73353676
>I first learned 40k lore on reddit: the post
Embarrassing.

>> No.73353712

>>73353662
Cool, Necrons and admech are an iconic match up, so that's why there are dead admech on Necron bases.

>> No.73353717

>>73353696
>You have inquisitors summoning daemons and using chaos weapons
Name 5.

>> No.73353720

>>73353637
Its strange to have slain enemy of another army on the bases of a starter set.

It would be like having eldar on plague marine bases in Dark Imperium.

>> No.73353723

>>73353676
>what are radical inquisitors
so many fucking secondaries

>> No.73353729

>>73353652
Ranged fexes in general were a mistake. Carnifexes should've stayed the line breaker tyrannid creature used for absorbing maximum firepower and then slicing into Marines and Marine equivalents like butter.

>> No.73353731

>>73353706
Like a busted up Tilda Swinton

>> No.73353733

>>73353676
Using a shuriken catapult is one of the lightest offenses Inquisitors can pull off.

>> No.73353735

>>73353658
Nothing stopping you playing 4th edition bro.

>> No.73353745

>>73353652
Every dread should have a melee arm and a gun arm because when things get in cc destroying your gun arms hitting them is stupid

>> No.73353748

>>73353712
It's not an iconic matchup.

>> No.73353753

>>73353712
>Necrons and admech are an iconic match up
No they aren't. Stop lying.

>> No.73353757

>>73353567
>lets remove initiative!
>ummm we are going to bring it back again and make it a mess of a rule!

>> No.73353765

>>73353720
>Its strange to have slain enemy of another army on the bases of a starter set
No it's not.
AdMech just job to Necrons before the Marines show up. It's not hard.

>> No.73353770

>>73353705
>>73353735
see>>73353698

I always find GW drone cope hilarious. This stuff they've previewed is so badly written even the consoomers on Warhammer twitter are laughing at it before you.

>> No.73353779

>>73353567
Paralysis grenades are good to stop a unit getting murdered by a 2CP interrupt.

>> No.73353781

>>73353686
Nobody. Anybody who says they are has lied.

>> No.73353783

>>73353717
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Radical

>> No.73353790

>>73353729
It made plenty of sense at the time it was implemented because fexes were the biggest monster you could field back then so they needed to be versatile to a lot of different roles.

As the game has added more monsters over time suited for that role, though, like Exocrines and Tyrannofexes, its diminished that need. Still, I don't mind having the option, I just wish melee fexes were a lot more viable. Their rules have been gutted for like 3 editions now.

>> No.73353795

>>73353696
Eisenhorn is not the average Inquisitor. Most Inquisitors are Ordo Hereticus and would not hesitate to Excommunicate Traitorus a heretic using a demon weapon or a demonhost.

>> No.73353798

>>73353765
I'm not saying its not explainable, you autist.

I'm saying is a very odd design decision, and suggests an ulterior explanation.

>> No.73353799

>>73353729
cannons are cool, it's just that taking away their talons/claws is aesthetic cancer and is only done for a waacfag loadout

even tyrants should not get that terrible loadout: the wings should force them to use at least one pair of scything talons

>> No.73353800

>>73353783
I want specifics anon, who among them has summoned daemons or used daemon weapons?

>> No.73353811

Painting my lord of contagion. Still a WIP

>> No.73353812

>>73353608
Ugh, me too. I kind of hate how their piece mealing the rules without context but I like the changes I've read so far.

>> No.73353813

>>73353619
her rules are decent nerd, were you expecting abaddon tier?

>> No.73353814

>if you have a land raider underneath an archway, and the archway covers approx a cm of the hull, that's -1 to hit, but a squad that has a single member fully visible is fully targetable

>> No.73353815

>>73353748
>>73353753
Admech have been fucking around in Tombs and waking up Necrons since 3e.
They even have a whole video game about it.

>> No.73353816

>>73353652
and now you can shoot in melee so this shit will be even more prevalent

>> No.73353825

>>73353770
>Twitter
>Old editions picked out at random with no real insight
>Buzzwords

Ah you're those Zoomers I've heard about.

>> No.73353834

>>73353798
>I'm saying is a very odd design decision, and suggests an ulterior explanation.
And I'm saying it's not odd and does not suggest an ulterior motive, because it's easily explainable and does not require one.

>> No.73353836

>>73353815
Jamie pull up the definition of Iconic

>> No.73353840

>>73353814
Why would an Archway be dense cover?

>> No.73353843

>>73353770
>Disagrees with my bullshit comparison between 4th and 9th
>m-must be a drone g-guys!!
Neck yourself you secondary

>> No.73353844

>>73353652
The are talking about acid maw though

>> No.73353852

>>73353814

I want to see a batrep of a game using the new cover rules before i even try to understand them.

>> No.73353853

>>73353834
But you didn't easily explain it. Your explanation is more confusing than the other.

Do you really think someone sat at a CAD station for 1000+ hours crafting these sprues and just decided to put ad mech bits on the necron bases?

>> No.73353856

Tell me about Inquisitor Draco, why does he travel around with a squat?

>> No.73353859

>>73353825

I've only mentioned 4th lol, don't project onto me. It was a good base ruleset with mostly fair codexes, outside of 3.5 Chaos and Eldar.

>> No.73353865

>>73353843
But someone told me 4th was the best one.

>> No.73353870

>>73353856
Cus he rides a sick motorbike

>> No.73353875

>>73353844
they are also talking about the pair of twin linked heavy devourers

>> No.73353877

>>73353798
It's not that weird gw have been pushing necrons vs admech a lot lately with forgbane and the mechanics game and stuff.
Makes sense they'd be fighting each other much like having nids on ultramarine bases

>> No.73353881

>>73353800
Every single one of the Ordo Malleus radical inquisitors.

>> No.73353901

>>73353853
>But you didn't easily explain it.
Yeah I did.
>Your explanation is more confusing than the other.
How?
>Do you really think someone sat at a CAD station for 1000+ hours crafting these sprues and just decided to put ad mech bits on the necron bases?
Yeah. Putting dead guys on the bases is not a new idea.

>> No.73353904

>>73353814
The only dense cover in this post is you.

>> No.73353905

This cover thing seems way too easy to get now. If I'm right, if *any* part of my models base is obscured by terrain, I get +1 to save and -1 to hit. Given that the base is the lowest-lying part of any model, I'll be able to get this cover very easily.

>> No.73353908

>>73353877
Yes. Like maybe building up to a confrontation in a starter box?

And maybe, some suit dummy at GW stepped in and demanded they switch to primaris because games workshop.

>> No.73353912

>>73353723
Radical Inquisitors still have to report back to their superiors and requisition troops from various Imperium resources. I'm all for using xenos tech when it's worthwhile but using a Shuriken Catapult is basically putting a sign over your head that says "Heretic and radical" and when you typically have to recruit allies like Ad Mech or SoB or Marines or any number of other Imperial factions showing up with a Catapult is a huge amount of risk for very limited reward.

>> No.73353922

>>73353901
You didn't.
>Yeah. Putting dead guys on the bases is not a new idea.
Yea. Dead guys of the army you're pitted against.

As i stated before, its like putting eldar bits on plague marine bases. It doesn't follow.

>> No.73353929

>>73353901
>Putting dead guys on the bases is not a new idea.
not having the dead guys match the guys they're fighting in when the models are designed to come from the same box is

>> No.73353951

>>73353856
Squats are abhumans so at least sort of vaguely acceptable in even more central areas in the Imperium

>> No.73353952

Help a brainlet out

Can space marines field a baneblade/imperial knight as an allied detachment no strings attached? AFAIK they can but i never see them used in battle reports or on any lists.

>> No.73353957

>>73353922
>>73353929
>B-b-b-but it has to be the army they're fighting against right now!
So Abaddon can only fight Marines?
Guilliman can only fight Chaos Marines?
Stop being stupid.

>> No.73353960

Hey anons, I got a SC! Craftworlds box and would like to magnetize the wraithguard/blades and the wraithlord to keep my options open, however these are the first miniatures i'm working with. Do you have any tips for a beginner and suggestions for things I need such as what size/strength magnets I should use? Also, would a dremel tool work instead of a hobby drill as I don't have a hobby drill.

>> No.73353965

Oblivious newfag, how long have Mk II marines been OOP? I don't see any on eBay.

Follow up question - due to the amount of time they've been gone, if I were to walk into a GW with a few how obvious would it be that they're recasts? Would anyone care since FW doesn't make them anymore or would they still be rejected on principle

>> No.73353970

>>73353912
>Radical Inquisitors still have to report back to their superiors
Inquisitors don't really have superiors. They can operate independently for decades or more if they want.

>and requisition troops from various Imperium resources
They can just leave their heretic equipment in the cubbard, use any form of deception or method of obscuring it. Also remember that very few people in the Imperium dare ask questions when an Inquisitor comes calling.

>> No.73353971

>>73353905
If that Terrain has the Dense Cover trait.

>> No.73353977

>>73353800
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gregor_Eisenhorn
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Quixos
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Querrian
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Suresya
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vincenze_Farradocias_Kazymar

>> No.73353981

>>73353960
Its actually a lot easier than you think. Any ~10 dollar rare earth magnets on amazon will be fine

>> No.73353986

>>73353952
>Can space marines field a baneblade/imperial knight as an allied detachment
yes following the requisite detachments

>no strings attached
no, check the various army special rules, you'll be disappointed

>> No.73353995

>>73353957
Abaddon and Gulliman aren't in start sets you mongoloid.

>> No.73353999

>>73353960
just be careful with the dremel, but a cheap hobby drill will work fine

>> No.73354000

>>73353971
>***These apply to things like forests and dense industrial ruins, where protection comes more from difficulty in picking out a target, rather than the shots physically being blocked.
seems like light cover and dense terrain will come at the exclusion of each other in their recommended use

>> No.73354002

>>73353952
>no strings attached
You lose the Combat Doctrines special rule if your entire army doesn't have that ability.

>> No.73354022

>>73353960
The Wraithguard/Blades are probably one of the more complex kits to magnetise (as there are four loadouts), but if you take your time and do everything carefully you should be fine.

>> No.73354024

>>73353875
Yes, and?

>> No.73354027

>>73353908
Why would they do that? Games workshop probably planned the release before it started getting designed

>> No.73354028

>>73353995
Literally irrelevant.
There is no rule saying starter sets can only have specific basing material.

>> No.73354030

>>73353881
Xanthites and Horusians aren't common and they don't fucking display the fact that they are heretics openly. Also pretty much every other Ordo Malleus will fucking hunt you down if they even get a hint that you are Xanthite/Horusian/Phanonite in orientation.

>> No.73354033

>>73353912
Imperium turned the Blackstone Fortresses they found into space stations. An inquisitor using an alien weapon is hardly the biggest crime. Especially when you have Space Marines running around with Chaos weapons (Logan, Calgar), sanctioned alien mercs, etc. You even think most plebs know what an Eldar weapon looks like?

>> No.73354053

>>73354028
Literally autistic.

>> No.73354055

>>73353691
There's been events in Sweeden.

I'm sorry you dont like TTS tournies, they're the only thing keeping me playing the game right now.

>> No.73354076

>>73354053
No, just not a credulous idiot willing to buy into your baseless theories.

>> No.73354078

>>73354027
Rumors were Necron vs Admech starter set for 9th.

The large amount of models and updates for ad mech in PA suggest they had more planned for them.

The bits on necron bases of the new set also support this idea.

>> No.73354091

>>73353970
There are Inquisitor Lords and Inquisitorial conclaves. Yes Inquisitors operate largely independently and don't report back very often but the Witchhunters in particular like to watch their fellow watchmen and if you go too rogue for too long they will send other inquisitors after the radicals so you have to stay at least sort of secret in your heresy.

>> No.73354097

>>73354076
>baseless

>> No.73354107

>>73353995
where are you getting this weird rule starter sets have to have the enemy as dead models and only the enemy? because no other starter has ded guys on it, and the host of models with dead guys on their base have no pattern for who it is.

>> No.73354131

>>73354055
I'm glad you're able to do something to keep yourself entertained. I was basically just mocking the crappy rules lol.

>> No.73354134

>>73354078
Yeah but none of the admech stuff is easy build so that doesnt make sense.
I mean maybe you're right but it's quite an odd scenario compared to. Necrons have their main enemy on their bases for flavour

>> No.73354135

>>73354097
Is that the kid from Home Alone?

>> No.73354141

>>73354097
Yes.

>> No.73354146

>>73354097
>a dead model on a base totally means it was all a conspiracy to have admech in the starter box as forgebane 2.0 but GW secretly decided to change it all, move the 3 new intricately pieced admech units from starter set monobuild to multi-part, and then do primaris wave 3 because nobody has been saying that would happen
yes, baseless, now shut up you autistic retard

>> No.73354147

>>73354030
Every single ordo malleus radical inquisitor on the list provided

>My apologies, forgot about the fact I was posting in autistic sperg central for a moment.

>> No.73354148

>>73354107
I'm not saying they have to.
Im saying the opposite (making the decision to PUT admech on bases) is strange.

As i said before, its like putting eldar bits on death guard minis from dark imperium.

>> No.73354152

>>73353965
quick search makes it seem like they went out in 2018
really sucks, I liked mk ii a lot

>> No.73354166

>>73354078
>starter set
>doesn't include loyalist marines as one of the 2 armies contained

Every starter set since they first came out in 2nd has had a loyalist marine faction as one of the 2 in the set. They are never going to change that.

>> No.73354168

>>73354146
Go gas yourself faggot

>> No.73354169

>>73354146
HE KNOWS, SHUT IT DOWN!

>> No.73354187

>>73354135
Ye
>>73354148
Also no it isn't it would be like putting orks on a steel legion starter set that's fighting chaos or tyranids on ultramarines or normal marines on chaos. Eldar aren't the main enemy of the imperium

>> No.73354192

>>73354168
lol mad

>> No.73354241

>>73353455

>> No.73354245

>>73354146
>you know, maybe at some point, when this model was designed, it was supposed to be fighting admech and not marines

>how dare you claim GW would ever need to change plans

>> No.73354268

>>73354241
they added that later

>> No.73354283

>>73354268
Doesn't change the fact it's correct
Was just making that anon aware if they weren't already

>> No.73354288

>>73354241
what are the piece of terrains between 3" and 5"?

>> No.73354294

>>73354245
It may have done, doubt it was ever intended to be a starter set

>> No.73354299

>>73354245
>BREHS LISTEN TO MY CONSPIRACY THEORY
>Sounds like bullshit
>YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND

>> No.73354308

>>73354245
it's one thing to say they shifted around lineup, it's a whole other to be a belligerent retard that breaks every rule of 40k releases because of a single dead model on a base

>> No.73354321

>>73354299
>a normal change of plans along development
>conspiracy theory

>> No.73354327

>>73352020
Bad rules writing and a community that doesnt respect the Rules As Written.

>> No.73354332

>>73354308
Look, there are people that are sure the earth is flat because they don't comprehend how gravity works.

There is no shortage of absolute retards

>> No.73354335

>>73354308
But thats literally what the guy you were arguing with was saying. That the lineup shifted during development, and they didnt go back to changes the necron bases.

>> No.73354349

>>73354327
>a community that doesnt respect the Rules As Written.
If nobody ever played RAI the game would be even more cancerous than it already is.

GW rules writers cannon into engrish.

>> No.73354370

>>73354241
Why the fuck does GW write like some guy that has English as his 5th language?

>> No.73354377

>>73354321
>>a normal change of plans along development
Cool. Prove it.

>> No.73354381

>>73354335
It's only 1 mini in the whole set though. I guess it's possible but it's not very likely considering the necron units are all easy to build and the admech ones arent

>> No.73354387

>>73353729
>I can only break their lines with melee and not by blowing huge holes on them.
Only good nid lists I’ve ever seen had lots of shooting in them.

>> No.73354390

>>73353029
Give flamers D6+2 shots. Voila.

>> No.73354394

>>73354349
people following RAW to justify their bullshit at the detriment of the game are numerous enough for such a wordy rule to be needed

it's not like it can't be summarized and there aren't going to be examples so that even brainlets can get it

>> No.73354399

>>73354377
bro you said its an elite level MKULTRA conspiracy theory

definitely not a change of direction in development

>> No.73354400

Anyone played with/against new Shadowsun? I missed the buzz after her release.

>> No.73354414

>>73354377
Use some common sense you retard. There is no outrageous claim made at all or you gonna argue the sky isnt blue now?

>> No.73354417

>>73354399
>bro you said its an elite level MKULTRA conspiracy theory
No, I said it's a conspiracy theory.
So prove it, bitch.

>> No.73354421

>>73354166
Yeah what do you think this is warhammer fantasy where every starter set was a different set of factions?

>> No.73354422

>>73354400
Her new drones are shittier and she’s more expensive. She was basically nerfed.

>> No.73354433

>>73354387
I'm referring to how they worked back in early 40k like 2e. They were close combat monsters and the bioplasma was just a sort of cool secondary weapon.

But yes currently there is no reason to take anything other than a Dakkafex

>> No.73354441

20x Rubrics or 10x Scarab Occult Termies? They're roughly the same points.

>> No.73354442

>>73354381
We'll know if 9th comes with easy build ad mech models.

>> No.73354448

>>73354414
>Use some common sense you retard.
I have been.
I'm not the one making baseless claims here.

>> No.73354449

>>73354433
Back in 2e most nid units didn't even exist

>> No.73354458

>vast blackstone pylons arranged in patterns of non-Euclidean fractal crypto-logic that defy explanation.
Oh great, the old non-Euclidean fractal crypto-logic trope.

>> No.73354465

>>73354442
I guess...?

>> No.73354473

>>73354417
>points out that something doesnt make sense about the new box
>suggests there might be an ulterior explanation, especially considering the rumors heard during lead up to 9th.
BRO ITS AN ILLUMINATI 9/11 CONSPIRACY WHERES THE CRATER

>> No.73354484

>>73354473
Maybe the rumours were because all someone saw was the 1 model in the set that has a bit of admech on it?

>> No.73354492

>>73354458
All I can think of when I read non-Euclidean fractal crypto-logic is the Silent King turning pink and screaming because the Bogdanoffs dumped the value on some coin he was holding for eons.

>> No.73354497

>>73354349
Rai is cancer as a concept because you cant be sure any given thing is actually going to work in a real game, and it unnecessarily divides the community. Playing things rules as written means everyone has the same understanding. Take for example the steamy daemon prince sex scene that we have coming into the new edition. You have two groups of retards screaming at each other because of how they think it was "intended" to work. If both groups just respected the rules as written and called gw a faggot for making a stupid fucking rule this would be less of an issue.

>> No.73354504

>>73354458
how are you going to fluff your space fantasy without a heavy dose of handwavium and science-words salads?

>> No.73354513

>>73354484
It's possible, but that still begs the question of why to include ad mech on the base.

>> No.73354522

>>73354473
>Points out something that makes sense but he doesn't understand
>Spins an theory from the air because he doesn't understand
>Tries to act like this is the logical path

>> No.73354542

>>73354513
Because admech have been established as the main enemies of necrons recently cause they keep coming and raiding their tombs.
>It begs the question why does calgar have a tyranid on his base?

>> No.73354544

>>73354449
Warriors and Fex did.

>> No.73354550

>>73354522
I'm sorry you're being an angry faggot who can't handle a discussion of what might have been the development cycle of Indomitus.

Next time we wont discuss what daddy GW did during the lead up to a release.

>> No.73354552

>>73354497
the greatest majority of RAW vs RAI arguments exist exclusively because the one arguing RAW wants to abuse the game to gain an advantage

>> No.73354556

>>73354513
Because they killed the AdMech and now Space Marines fly in to avenge them.
Not hard.

>> No.73354557

>>73354448
>a change in plan equals a conspiracy
>speculating equals making claims
>common sense
Nah youre actually retarded.

>> No.73354564

>>73354544
Yeah fair enough but the game in general is so different now

>> No.73354572

>>73354542
I think its pretty disingenuous to compare battle for mccgrage to a few stories about admech tomb raiding.

>> No.73354581

>>73354504
I like non-Euclidean fractal crypto-logic. It's my favourite.

>> No.73354582

>>73354513
>>73354542
The better question is
>Why won't GW fuck off with this awful fucking monopose base clutter and shitty step on rock 'dynamic' poses.
Having to trim, repose, and remove all this stupid shit from bases so that they fit in with my army thing is fucking infuriating.

>> No.73354589

>>73354550
>You're angry because you disagree with my conclusions based on nothing!

>> No.73354594

>>73354387
that's because the game has never had a balance of melee and ranged

>> No.73354599

What is the base decoration in question?

>> No.73354605

>>73354572
It's not just a few stories, there was the whole forgbane set, the game mechanicus. That short story about Oberon and zandrekh (can't spell their names sorry) where they fight admech. Gw has established necrons fighting admech a good amount lately

>> No.73354612

>>73354589
>So prove it, bitch.
im swear im not mad guys

>> No.73354618

>> No.73354619

>>73354581
it's going to be even better when it turns out the crypto part refers to the literal crypts, rather than the root meaning of "hidden"

>> No.73354620

>>73354542
Ad Mech explorator fleets do tend to do the Raiders of the Lost Ark nonsense on Tomb Worlds and then accidentally wake up a Necron world because they are idiots but I wouldn't say they are the core faction challenging Crons by any means.

>> No.73354631

>>73354599

>> No.73354645

>> No.73354648

>>73354582
What models have you been having trouble with? I haven't had any issues so far with most easy build terrain stuff being like plug in to bases that you don't have to use like with the aggressors (not saying its not a problem, I just haven't bought something where it is and am wondering what to avoid)

>> No.73354650

>>73354612
>He insulted me on 4chan
>He must be mad!

>> No.73354652

>>73354241
>Hull of a Repulsor Executioner touches the very tip of a Dense wall
>1mm of your LOS is blocked
Oh sorry, anon. Looks like my Repulsor has -1 to hit :)

>> No.73354658

Anybody pirate this shit yet?

>> No.73354659

>>73354650
You've been an angry cunt all thread.

>> No.73354660

>>73353007

I'm too tired to try and even make sense of this

>> No.73354672

>>73354620
Nah but they're theyre the one gw has written about a lot lately. I don't think nids are the main problem for ultramarines at the minute but they're still the like 'classic' opponent much how like orks are for steel legion

>> No.73354676

>>73354618
oh no

>> No.73354682

>by some models from ebay
>feel bad I didn't get them from my FLGS
>find out its a different FLGS even closer to my house whomst was selling the models
Things went better than expected. I hope they have a good set of terrain and players once NY allows businesses to reopen (i.e. never ever)

>> No.73354687

>>73354564
That said dicking over nids has been a constant.

>> No.73354688

What’s the point of the autocannon and reaper autocannon?

What targets do you want for it? It’s relatively high strength but weak ap and weak damage.

>> No.73354693

>>73354659
No, I've just pointed out why I think your theory is bullshit.
I've been quite calm.
If you're picking up any anger it's likely your own frustration bouncing back to you.

>> No.73354694

>>73354660
I've tried to read it like 4 times and it just doesn't go in. I'm gonna assume it s heavy cover is - 1 to hit if you're whole unit is in the cover

>> No.73354696

>>73354652
It's just the KT obscured rule imported with verbosity, and caring strictly about bases/hulls

>> No.73354699

>>73354648
It's just incredibly annoying. One of the CSM havocs is doing the rock steppy, one of the CSM normal dudes is doing the steppy, multiple guys in the CSM start collecting are doing the steppy, ghazghul is doing a ridiculous steppy, ragnar's steppy is so big it's a skateboarding joke, etc etc etc

>> No.73354704

>Nids right now

>> No.73354717

>>73354631
>>73354648
Or like this guy. What if my necrons have desert or forest basing with no ruins on them? That's going to be obnoxious as fuck to trim, pin, replace, and repose the ruin bits and metal girder so it fits with the basing scheme.

>> No.73354718

>>73354552
Playing the game is "Abusing the game"

You mean like tri-pointing?

Or what about flamers auto hitting airplanes?

Or what about heroic interventions with no charges.

Or how about setting up vehicles inside a ruin?

>> No.73354723

>>73354652
You have effectively 3 different choices on how to make a cover rule. Can anything be seen then no cover, is anything covered then cover or is 50% of the model covered then covered. The 50% solution is the optimal from a common sense perspective but it leads to a lot of judgment calls which makes using it in a hobby filled with WAAC dangerous.

>> No.73354725

>>73354687
:(

>> No.73354733

>>73354688
Primaris.
AdMech Sicarian and Ptraxii types.
Light vehicles.

>> No.73354734

>>73354699
you can easily just cut off the rock, I don't see what the big deal is

>> No.73354738

>>73354688
Regular autocannon is for pooping on primaris
Reaper autocannon is because it's cheap.

>> No.73354739

>>73353904
MY SIDES

>> No.73354748

>>73354652
>Can only see one side of the hull of a repulsor
>The Hull of the repulsor is touching a dense wall
>Repulsor is obscured because you cant draw los to the other side.
Oh look anon, my repulsive has -1 to hit

>> No.73354754

>>73354725
Bro your brain is outside your body bro, you're going to get meningitis

>> No.73354755

>>73354699
Ah yeah I'd forgotten how bad ragnar is glad I'm not a yiff. It does suck, guess it must sell though so they aren't gonna stop annoyingly

>> No.73354763

>>73354723
is the third one "touch any part of anything and it has cover?"

>> No.73354768

>>73352749
That Contemptor is ballin

>> No.73354776

>>73354618
neither model would be able to see every part of the base and that kind of terrain would be catalogued as a LOS blocking cover in any case

>> No.73354779

>>73354754
The germs will provide useful genetic material

>> No.73354789

>>73354682
We're already reopening a lot of stuff here in upstate, but predictably we're getting a slight spike in COVID cases from it so I don't know how long this will last. We didn't get hit nearly as hard as the rest of the state so a lot of the boomers and welfare rats around here think it's a hoax and don't follow distancing or mask rules.

>> No.73354802

>>73354734
Yeah, you cut it off and then you have to repose it in a way that doesn't look awful, or find a suitable replacement to big steppy on.
It's annoying and retarded. You don't need to make all these big heroic step on rock poses for every damn character so that christopher can beat off to how cool his captain america themed space marines are.

>> No.73354809

>>73353187
unless those sandbags are 3" tall.

its more like sitting in/behind a forest makes you harder to hit.

>> No.73354812

>>73354564
Honestly 2e Nids had a pretty big range of models.

Tyrannid Warriors
Hive Tyrant
Fexes
Genestealers
Hormugaunts (pewter and shit)
termagaunts (plastic and monopose)
Lictor
Zoanthrope
Ripper Swarm
Harpy

It really wasn't a bad list of models it's just the sculpts were fucking terrible.
Exocrine

>> No.73354816

>>73354755
Marvel tier consoimers and super casuals are now a weirdly huge part of the hobby, boredering on majority. And they spend the dosh, and don't care much about personalizing their toys.

>> No.73354819

>>73352749
Why does it say the image is deleted?

>> No.73354823

>>73354776

>> No.73354827

>>73354763
That's the second option any part covered equals cover which sounds like is the type of cover they are going with

>> No.73354839

>>73354823
Have we finally hit "fabius bile autokills three knights" level of retardation?

>> No.73354840

>>73354827
Ah.

Well thats been a thing for all of 8th anyways

>> No.73354843

Rockphobes are almost as bad as helmet autists.

>> No.73354850

>>73354819
Wait, I can't open like half the images in this thread. wtf.

>> No.73354854

>>73354819
Your Internet is shit probably
>>73354812
Yeah but they've addel loads more and the wargear of most of the old stuff has changed.

>> No.73354859

>>73354618
>>73354823
Fucking retard

>> No.73354860

>>73352100
>>Non LOS
You still draw the line, and trigger rules. You just remove the requirement for actually needing to see them

>> No.73354862

>>73354699
In long for simpler times.

>> No.73354866

>>73354823
I see its base perfectly, bro

>> No.73354879

>>73354866
You cant see all of its base. just the part thats facing you.


Also repulsives go for hulls even though they have a base but whatever

>> No.73354883

>>73354843
Go apologize to your funko pops for posting on a white supremacist website

>> No.73354885

>>73354862
That model looks shit. I'd rather the kickflip guy than some tiny spread-legged freak.

>> No.73354886

>>73354866
Rule says you need to see "every part of the base".

>> No.73354890

>>73354883
Kek

>> No.73354900

>>73354704
that's cool, is it done by nebulising some flammable liquid?

>> No.73354902

>>73354897
>>73354897
>>73354897
>>73354897
>>73354897
new

>> No.73354904

>>73354883
Funkopops aren't dynamically posed on rocks.

>> No.73354908

>>73354789
Where in upstate? Last I knew it was restaurants and places like that, so I wasn't sure where game stores factor into the reopening.

>> No.73354917

>>73354370
Because they tried to write everything conversationally in 8th and it was a disaster once it gets picked over by the RAW lawyers. So GW is trying bulletpoints for RAI and game legalese for RAW.

>> No.73354936

>>73354900
Spot on, looks cool but pretty safe

>> No.73354944

>>73354886
every part of the base without touching the terrain, retard

if the line doesn't touch the terrain it's fine

>> No.73354957

>>73354718
>Playing the game is "Abusing the game"
yes, doing something retarded is abusing the game

>> No.73354968

>>73353007
>make your rules overly confusing by design
>rules lawyers and WAACfags will cause controversy over RAW/RAI and how to game the rules
>GW gets to print an FAQ to "clear up the rules" that you'll need to buy

The true face of capitalism, create a problem then create a solution to that problem to sell.

>> No.73354974

>>73353960
pin vice and drill with a drill bit the width of the diameter of your disc magnets.

make sure you keep your polarities uniform so that you don't have to keep track of which weapon goes with which model.

>> No.73354984

>>73354879
>You cant see all of its base. just the part thats facing you.
absurd conclusion

>Also repulsives go for hulls even though they have a base but whatever
baseless assumption

>> No.73355005

>>73354879
You are the special type of retard who I want to beat to fucking pulp. You are the reason why GWs wording has to get so convoluted every single time since you think you're being clever.

I would kick you in the dick every time.

>> No.73355239

>>73352749
Did you put down any paste on those bases or did you just do the airbrush/fabric marble effect straight up?

>> No.73355858

>> No.73356090

>>73354984
They literally have a special rule saying that but whatever.

Most hovering vehicles do

>> No.73356236

>>73351777
>primarily on goblin green base
Fuck off newfag zoomer wannabe boomer

>> No.73356473

from 1 to 10. how autistic is it to name evry single unit in my army? even the plaguebearers?

>> No.73356482

>>73352732
Lmao what is that from

>> No.73356639

>>73356473
Highly

>> No.73356643

>>73353354
I’ll take your anal virginity no homo

>> No.73356702

>>73353706
Looks like your average Sl*v. Especially a R*ssoid monkey

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