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Ynnari are balanced now! Edition

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>> No.56470113
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1st for fourth

>> No.56470116

First for dicks

>> No.56470125

my dudes > your dudes

>> No.56470131
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56470131

>>56470088

Have you preordered your Primaris Astraeus Super Heavy Tank from Forge World yet, /tg/?

Chinacast and poorfags do not reply to this post.

>> No.56470139

>>56470116
Too late slaneesh

>> No.56470172

>>56470131
No because I ordered a thunderhawk 2 weeks ago and even posted in this thread about it

>> No.56470175
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>>56470125
>Anon's unpainted and partially assembled dudes
>Better than my fully painted fluffy dudes

>> No.56470177

Chaplain Dreadnoughts with Crusader helm is fucking awesome, no one within 6" is safe.

>> No.56470185

>>56470131
No because it's ugly as fuck.

>> No.56470193

Does anyone have any of the ARRGH memes laying around, I get a good laugh out of em

>> No.56470209

>>56470131
Yup, just got a job offer last week!

>> No.56470225

>>56470088
Fun conversion idea's for Orks? also, would it be a good idea to use some of my painted bloodbowl team as Stormboyz under the pretense of them zerging downfield rather then having jetpacks, the entire shtick of my army isnt that is one warband, but several that are coalescing into a WAAAAAAAAAAGH

>> No.56470233
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Have you guys ever played against a girl? If you lost, how did you feel?

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>>56470233
>that table

>> No.56470275

>>56470225
Really, you can do what you want, but how do you explain jumping over walls, rivers of magma, or behind tanks?

>> No.56470280

>>56470131
Jesus Fucking Christ. First Robby, now this. Fucking Ultramarines.

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>>56470209
Nice, I got one today anon.

We're all gonna make it lads.

>> No.56470300

Friends, Neckbeards, Countrymen Lend me your ears. Should i start Daemons now with hope for their codex making them not shit tier? I really like the Idea of a mono-khorne list but i know its filled with problems.

>> No.56470311

>>56470275
Blitz bois

>> No.56470331

>>56470175
I play with fully painted, partially assembled models because I leave off parts I think are ugly or extraneous.

>> No.56470333
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56470333

What's a good secondary weapon for a falcon?

>> No.56470345

I want to use a mixture of AdMech and FW robots as a Dark Mech army, is it possible yet?

>> No.56470346
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>>56470131
I would have if it wasn't wildly over costed points-wise.

705? For T8 24W 2+/5+++? If you go first it gets one OK shooting round, then it gets maimed to uselessness. If you go second it is never going to be worth it's points against a not-shit player.

It's hot garbage rules-wise and it gives me a sad.

>> No.56470350

>>56470333
Just be a wave serpent

>> No.56470351

>>56470300
Save money until codex comes out and the PDF shows up here. Then you have a fat wad of cash to throw at the army instead and know if it is good or not instead of blowing it on stuff that might be good or bad. If there are some models you really like in the range, go ahead and buy a box of them, just don't go ham until after the codex shows up.

>> No.56470359

Quick poll: Does your meta tend to have people mostly hug the deployment line? I certainly find that's usually the case, because the majority of units either need to close to do damage or close to maximise damage.

>> No.56470361

>>56470300
Do what your heart tells you. The answer to questions like this are always within yourself.

>> No.56470377

Has anyone given Primaris Reivers chainswords instead of knives? I got a fuckton of them from the Prospero kit and Im wondering if they're too small or the right size for them, in terms WYSIWYG it doesnt matter since they have the same rules.

>> No.56470378

>>56470300
Spamming cannons would prolly help since Khorne is a hasguns chaos god. I dunno if Cannons synergize anymore though.

>> No.56470388
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>>56470378
Cannon are shit.

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>>56470193
>I get a good laugh out of em

>> No.56470406

>>56470088

nth for Reece going into full damage control over on FLG

>> No.56470415

>>56470406
'Splain

>> No.56470420

>>56470406

I haven't heard this yet. What exactly is he saying?

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>>56470193

>> No.56470437

>>56470415
>>56470420
Reece
>This isn’t RAI REEEEEEEEEEE
GW
>Yeah mang it’s totally RAW and RAI

>> No.56470448

>>56470233
I played against one once, she was pretty terrible at the game. I won.

>> No.56470464

>>56470437
You gave me more questions and no answers

>> No.56470469

>>56470350
no

>> No.56470475

>>56470131
> just ordering one
> not a full platoon
Ugh. The poor.

>> No.56470486

>>56470233
Well its impossible for me to play against them. There isnt enough Representation for them on the Tabletop so women i know just aren't interested.

>> No.56470488

>>56470233
I played against a fat power gaming girl a couple of times and lost the first time. I expected her to be bad, and then I got tabled. So I brought a stronger composition and we had a close game where I won.

>> No.56470490

>>56470377
Don't know about the Prospero chainswords, but the Reiver blades are only about a handspan shorter than the Assault Marine chainswords.

>> No.56470503

>>56470464
Reece went full autismo over a character heroic intervention. He even used the whole 'I WAS A PLAYTESTER DAWG I'M RIGHT".
GW confirmed he was wrong in every sense. Reece then removed the video showing him chimp out

>> No.56470509

>>56470131
What's wrong with based chinamen?

>> No.56470522

>>56470415
>>56470420

What appears to be the entire readership of Frontline Gaming have taken to the comments section to tell Reece that Ynnari are dead in any competitive scene and that it's a ridiculously punitive measure, the response to which is "It's GW's decision not mine lol guys, they're professionals, you pay them for the rules so just follow them like what's the problem lol"

>> No.56470534

>>56470406
>>56470415

"Reece, you have to admit- GW’s assessments of how powerful units and abilities are very often are not even close to correct. Just because GW thought that Ynnari should be weaker doesn’t make that decision correct, and even giving them some benefit of doubt due to playtesting I am skeptical of the whole thing- I’ve been testing out Ynnari and Craftworlds armies since the book was first leaked and no Ynnari army I’ve come up with comes anywhere close to a pure codex one."

"Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant, buddy. And GW does have an entire team of folks dedicated to testing things out and providing insights. You may disagree, but the choices are not uninformed or random."

>> No.56470536

>>56470490
>Reiver blades are only about a handspan shorter than the Assault Marine chainswords.

Then it might work, thanks friend!.

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>>56470345
p-pls respond

>> No.56470541

>>56470406
>>56470415

"I see almost no reason to ever go Ynnari now? You just lose too much for going Ynnari…"

"Why not try it and find out for real? Theory only takes us so far."

"Some theories work just fine without having to be tested, though. I don’t need to stab myself with a knife to know it’s gonna hurt when I do so."

"And logical fallacies are logical fallacies, lol."

"I hadn’t realized that the ability to observe past events and make predictions about future ones is a logical fallacy. I’ll have to keep that one in my back pocket for the next argument I want to win."

After which, echoing silence. You can tell which one is Reece lol

>> No.56470549

>>56470388
We're going to get a Linebreaker stratagem come January.

3 Skullcannons and 1CP for a 4+ to deal 3D3 Mortal Wounds at 36"

>> No.56470559

>>56470540
You have to wait for Fires of Cyraxus, which means you need to wait for FW to get it's shit together.

>> No.56470561

>>56470486
We all know that women are simply genetically incapable of enjoying any medium that depicts fewer than 51% women.

>> No.56470565

>>56470437
the hell is RAW and RAI?

>> No.56470574

>>56470509
Most of them produce garbage (even given the cost saving it's shit - barely good enough to use to make scenery). There's really only one that's decent.

>> No.56470586

>>56470541
Bayesian inference is logical fallacy now?

>> No.56470607

>>56470565
Rules As Written (i.e. what the rulebook actually says)
Rules As Intended (i.e. guys it should totally work this way, that's just poor writing, the way it works in my head is totally how they meant it to be)

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>>56470565
>RAW

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>>56470486
>There isnt enough Representation for them on the Tabletop
Either bait or redtard. Leave.

>> No.56470622

>>56470607
Is this how the summoning arguments started.

>> No.56470630

>>56470559
Thanks, gives me time to get through my backlog and save money

>> No.56470636

>>56470586

Yep, as is pretty much anything that disagrees with Playtester and GW Confidante Reece

>> No.56470637

>>56470574
>being this incapable of finding good casters
Enjoy your overpriced bongistese cancer

>> No.56470641

>>56470620
It was a joke anon about how people think that women are incapable of things if they cant see themselves in it.

>> No.56470646

>>56470610
and the worst part is the fookin bass IS FOOKIN RRAAWWWW

>> No.56470653

>>56470574
Ive had, and have heard, only great things about CCON, MI, Alpharius, Sylvia White, and whoever the new big boy on the block is, i cant remember his alias for whatever reason.

>> No.56470654

>>56470233

Played against 2 previous girlfriends several times but it was more them showing an interest in my hobby than anything else so I skewed it in their favour. One girlfriend asked to help me during one game so I let her roll for me and we won pretty handily as dark Eldar vs Eldar in 7th. Was flukey as fuck.

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Not sure how to use the Take Cover rule for any grot guns.

It says the Gunners can't be targeted unless they're the closest enemy unit, but does that mean the people can just shoot at your artillery pieces or are they safe too?

>> No.56470692

>>56470541
>"And logical fallacies are logical fallacies, lol."
He is correct on this one, it's ruducio ad absurdum.

But the point the person was trying to make would have been better suited not going to an extreme. Even then it's still anecdotal.

Stil though, I hate Reece.

>> No.56470696

In Heralds of Ruins kill team, you only get a cover save by being obscured.

A mortar ignores line of sight.

Will you ever get a cover save?

>> No.56470702

>>56470607
Ah thank you.

So I have a question... how exactly does charging and overwatch work? Do you declare all charges first, overwatch each enemy unit,and THEN they move or do you declare charge, overwatch, move, and then declare another charge? I ask this because obviously in the first scenario everything charging gets shot at while in the second scenario it might be a better idea to charge with some shit unit to soak up overwatch and then charge in with a heavy hitter without the risk of a lucky shot doing damage before they get in to melee.

>> No.56470714

>>56470541
>"I see almost no reason to ever go Ynnari now? You just lose too much for going Ynnari…"
What type of logic is that? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're half way competent with how you make your list, you get strength from death and the stratagems.
So in their opinion, if you can't punish the enemy for being successful by shooting at them in their turn, some how "move but count as stationary" is now worlds better?
Fucking faggot

>> No.56470721

What books do I read, gamebooks preferably, to learn more about the realms of the chaos gods?

>> No.56470729

>>56470522
>what, we can't make the opponents turn our own? This army is dead!
WAACfags are such fucking cancer, fuck 'em

>> No.56470731

>>56470692

There's a difference between reducing someone's point to absurdity to mock it, and making an extreme analogy to point out the principle doesn't always apply.

If you take "I don't need to stab myself to know not to" as condescension, it's a lot less condescending than "Hurr, you don't have an informed opinion" on false grounds.

>> No.56470739

>>56470702
You declare charge, unit resolves overwatch, you roll charge distance then you move on to the next charge you declare.

>> No.56470757

>>56470233
My girlfriend(male) plays 40k.

>> No.56470766
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56470766

Remember!

IT IS YOUR DUTY TO GET THIS BOOK

Otherwise you will be burnt on a pyre!

http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/print-on-demand/redeemer-pod.html

>> No.56470768

So where would I go to order from a Chinaman?

Aliexpress?

Do they still do email catalogs?

>> No.56470773

>>56470757
What army does she play? Also that's cute

>> No.56470781

>>56470702
Declare one, overwatch, move.
Declare next, etc.

"Once you’ve moved all the models in the charging unit, choose another eligible unit and repeat the above procedure until all eligible units that you want to make charge moves have done so"

>> No.56470792

>>56470714
>>56470729

I think it's a fair point; you pay for a substandard HQ to unlock an ability that won't really come up that much, because Soulburst is *really* short-ranged and you can only do it once per game, no matter how large a game you're playing.

I think either of the nerfs were fine, but compared to the Alaitoc trait?

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What are your thoughts on the following?

Malcador Infernus with Sponson Heavy Flamers charging into the middle of the enemy line?

>> No.56470798

>>56470637
Alpharius is good. The rest are shit.

INB4 "but muh Z stuff is just as good as FW" - No, it's fucking shit.

>> No.56470802

>>56470768
Go to yoyhammer. We wont spoonfeed you.

>> No.56470812

>>56470233
Wife played me once in a small game. She used my Space Wolves and I used some borrowed guard.

I got the roll that ended all your orders for the turn on my first roll, and then she jumped my barricades with some skyclaws and I lost shortly after. She still gives me shit about it.

>> No.56470814

>>56470731
Except that even the knowledge that getting stabbed==bad is based off of experience. Same thing with touching hot things==get hurt, those are only developed through experience, you aren't born knowing not to touch fire.
So to you need actual experience to say "ynarri are dead now" especially when what supposedly killed them was
>no longer being able to punish the opponent for their success
>being limited in how often they can abuse their "do this thing out of turn" ability
He doesn't even explain how these limits somehow kill the army, he merely makes a claim, and offers no evidence, in the form of theory or experience, to back up this assertion.

>> No.56470823

>>56470798
Alpharius is god tier, and yes, z is shit. But a couple of the smaller dudes put out some decent casts

>> No.56470831

>>56470812
Oh and to answer the question, I was a little annoyed that I fucked up so hard with my first time playing guard, but other than that I was happy she had fun and managed to learn the rules a bit. She hasn't played 40k since but she's working on building a Sigmar army right now.

>> No.56470842

>>56470814

The hell are you talking about? His entire claim is based around his experience with the game. The condescension was Reece accusing him of not having the required experience to make his claim.

>> No.56470847

>>56470823
>Alpharius
>God tier
Oh, my sweet summer child.

>> No.56470853

>>56470721
Daemons of Chaos Codex.

>> No.56470855

>>56470714
I remember some anon trying to justify it by saying you shouldn't kill the units just weaken them during your turn. which i guess in hindsight is the correct answer to the ability but outwardly punishing someone for actually doing something in their turn seems silly.

>> No.56470867

>>56470766
No. fuck BL and their "we reprint old novels and put new Necormunda logo on it because nuGW"
Btw it's on mega

>> No.56470872

>>56470793
Make it a Stormlord and its ten times better on sheer BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT alone.

>> No.56470873

>>56470792
>I think either of the nerfs were fine, but compared to the Alaitoc trait?
There's a difference between "this thing is dead entirely" and "this thing is no longer optimal compared to this other thing." Ynarri are fine unless you're a WAACfag, and if you are, then you can fuck off

>> No.56470885

>>56470798
>Miranda Irene is shit
>Sylvia White is shit
>CCON is universally shit
Im gonna stop you right there, ill agree with you on z being shit and alpharius being great, but you've obviously never bought from anyone else

>> No.56470890

>>56470842
>His entire claim is based around his experience with the game.
A claim for which he offers no evidence.

>> No.56470904

>>56470867
Fuck you I want Klovis, buy that shit.

>> No.56470912

>>56470346
As an Admech player I don't really know what to think about that thing. On one hand it'll kill two or three Kastelans, a Dunecrawler or six Kataphrons straight up, but on the other hand it dies rather easily. 5 Dunecrawler salvos with basic R1 buffs and you've got a dead 700 pt model, and you can almost buy 5 Crawlers just from the cost of one Astraeus.

The question is Astraeus or Mastodon to make a huge Admech servitorisation crawler? They're mentioned in the HH books, but Marines haven't really got anything cheap and cheerful I can throw in there as cannon fodder. Maybe a Gorgon, but that's quite small in comparison.

>> No.56470915

>>56470885
>
Miranda Irene and Slyvia White aren't good enough.

Haven't tried CCON.

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>>56470904
>buy that shit

>> No.56470934

>>56470890

I wasn't aware he was writing a doctoral thesis.

>> No.56470937

>>56470872
But what if i don't want BRRRRRRRRRT and want a fuckhueg flamer, besides i get it real close and it fucking explodes on a 4+, 2D6" doing D6 mortal wounds.

>> No.56470943

>>56470847
What about CheapandFast? Been looking at them for a while, they're Russian and have a good reputation by the looks of it on yoyhammer reviews. My only issue is the lack of Tyranid Warrior wings.

>> No.56470955

>>56470934
Not an argument faggot. There is a difference between "you need to do more than just make a claim and "if you don't write an essay on it, your opinion doesn't mean shit," and you know it.
Fuck off with your false dichotomy.

>> No.56470969

>>56470675
>It says the Gunners can't be targeted unless they're the closest enemy unit, but does that mean the people can just shoot at your artillery pieces or are they safe too?
Are your Artillery Pieces Grot Gunners or Characters?

>> No.56470973

>>56470943
I just ordered a fuck off huge amount of death Korps. I got a email about what I ordered and now I’m just waiting for the PayPal request.

>> No.56470990

>>56470973
Cool, I'll keep an eye out for when your order comes in, I haven't heard anything about orders not showing up from them unless customs eats it.

>> No.56470998

>>56470798
>Alpharius is good.
God damnit Ive been trying to get ahold of his contact info. Shits hard and the only lead I have hasn't posted in a month.

>> No.56471010

>>56470955

You can just make a claim with a string of logic to it, if your opinion is respected.

See how we're circling back around the issue of condescension?

>> No.56471016

>>56470998
He literally posts on Yoyhammer. Just ask him.

>> No.56471018

so necromunda is DoA right? since they are piecemealing out the factions and all.

>> No.56471022

>>56470915
Miranda Irene's tyranids are the best on the market and ehile i havent gotten them myself, a friend has gotten her leviathan? dread on more than one occasion and never had issues

Sylvia White has fine quality, jot the best, not the worst, but where she shines is the ease of access to her product, and ive heard generally good things about her somewhat limited heresy line

CCON can be hit or miss, but theyre usually between the areas of "fine" and "above average", with the worst ive personally seen being some minor mould slips and thin areas on larger models

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>>56470921
>Dorn's fortifications.gif

>> No.56471036

>>56471022
I ordered a stormraven from CCON and it came out really fragile. Thin as fuck.

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>> No.56471054

>>56471036
That's what you get when you order from conmen.

>> No.56471059

I kinda feel like getting a scythed Hierodule and doing a Swarmlord catapult to launch it straight into enemy lines on turn one.

>> No.56471062

I want to start getting into the game sooner or later. I love big bulky armor with some flavour of edge so I'm thinking about Chaos, the problem here is that I read about that Abbadon guy and other than being extremely ugly and uncool he also seems a complete jobber. I don't want him to be the big boss.

I also like Sisters of Battle but I heard they are pretty irrelevant and GW doesn't give a shit about them anymore.

>> No.56471065

>>56471054
All the other stuff I ordered from him was fine. He's just not good at hollow stuff.

>> No.56471066

>>56471016
He'll tell you to fuck off if you do.

>> No.56471074

>>56470998
get fucked ian

>> No.56471078

>>56471053
Except for Deathwatch Kill Teams right?

>> No.56471081

>>56471065
Con. Men.

>> No.56471090

>>56470739
>>56470781
I guess I'm retarded or something so let me just ask this way: does everyone charging get shot or only the first unit to charge?

I'm under the assumption if an enemy model is within an inch of your models they are locked in combat and can no longer overwatch.

>> No.56471091

>>56471010
>You can just make a claim with a string of logic to it, if your opinion is respected
That would be an appeal to authority, which is retarded. And to act like his claim has any logic to it is absurd. His argument is "if I can't punish the enemy for being successful, then the army is dead." That's not logical, that's retarded, as that goes against basic good game design: it encourages the enemy to simply not play, because if they don't do well, then they'll lose, and if they do well, the enemy can punish them making them more likely to lose. It's the warhammer equivalent of WMDs, the only way to win is to not play.
That guy is a faggot, and his retarded appeal to authority of "my opinion is respected so I can say stupid shit and that means I'm right" only shows how cancerous WAACfags are

>> No.56471103

>>56471090
You can't fire Overwatch if you're locked in combat. So if the first charger reaches you, no more overwatch that phase.

Your assumption is correct.

>> No.56471124

>>56470346
>700pts
>dies in a turn to Magnus

kek

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>>56471103
Thank you very very much and sorry for having you guys spell it out for me

>> No.56471132

>>56470990
Should have it by the 9th ish next month is my guess. I’ll post then to keep you updated.

>> No.56471151

>>56471124
Cant The Crimson King kill most things in one turn?

>> No.56471160

>>56471124
Depends if he can get the charge, plus magnus smite is cucked pretty hard by bubble wrap

>> No.56471161

>>56471151
Could he kill himself in a single turn?

>> No.56471167

>>56470873
>Ynarri are fine unless you're a WAACfag,
Ehhh. I was looking at Eldar subfactions and before it seemed going Ynnari for Deldar and Clowns was a sidegrade.
(Power from Pain giving good bonuses over time) (and Rising Crescendo having Pinballing Clowns)

With only Craftworlds being an obvious upgrade as the Craftworld Special Rule was weak.

Now it's a straight downgrade for Deldar and Clowns.

>Personally I'd have preferred if YNNARI replaced the units ASURYANI / HARLEQUIN / DRUKHARI -or- <MASQUE / WYCH CULT / CRAFTWORLD> to limit double dipping between books. (Not a problem "yet", Depending on how Craftworld's stratagems are written.

>> No.56471188

>>56471078
Oh my god, you may be a heretic, but you're right.

>> No.56471208

>>56471151
With reroll 1s to wound WT, Death Hex and Diabolic Strength he does 24 damage on average to anything but Reaver and Warlord pretty reliably. He does even more to Imperium units thanks to DttFE procs.

>>56471161
With Death Hex, yes.

>> No.56471210

>>56470346
>More expensive than Aetaos'rau'keres while being lessy killy, less durable, and less psychic

>caawcaaawcaaaw

>> No.56471218
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56471218

So battalion spam of 3 rippers and two neurothropes will probably end up a thing in the competitive scene, right?

>> No.56471221

>>56471210
>that shit
>700pts
>Falchon
>800pts for T9 27W and 2d6 S16-5 2D6 meain gun and eight lascannons

>> No.56471222

>Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot
>This model may be accompanied by three Blue Horrors.

How does this work? I assume you have to pay the points for the 3 blue horrors. But do they move with the chariot? Or are they separate? Do they have their own models or are they little guys sticking off the chariot?

>> No.56471232

>>56471010
>>56471091
Not to mention the fact that an authority appeal is worthless if you have no real authority.
Anyone who attributes significant credibility to abusepuppy after seeing the things they've written is way too generous with their standards for expert level play.
He's just another entry level mook with a basic understanding of mathematics which allows him to write 1d4chan tier articles.
I'm extremely confident that Reece is a more credible source than that, and even more confident that GW, despite mistakes is greater than them both.

>> No.56471242
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56471242

This comes out in a few hours.

If anyone guesses one of its plot twists I will upload it here later.

>> No.56471248

>>56471222
>How does this work? I assume you have to pay the points for the 3 blue horrors. But do they move with the chariot? Or are they separate? Do they have their own models or are they little guys sticking off the chariot?
Check FAQ. But long story short.
Yes you buy them, the kit for Burning Chariot includes 3

>> No.56471250

>>56471033
>this kills the loyalist

>> No.56471261

>>56471242
You whore dont make me do back flips for this book. I wanna know what happens to my Blood Angels dammit.

>> No.56471276

>>56471261
We already know the outcome though.

>> No.56471283

>>56471033
Rare holovideo of Perturabo activating his Iron Cage trap once Dorn and his Fists were inside

>> No.56471301

>>56471276
Yea but i wanna learn which one of the Chapter masters died. I wanna know the fate of the Second Company. I want to know if Donatos Makes it out. Theres so many details that are mysterious.

>> No.56471305

>>56471091

"Appeal to authority" are you fucking high?

It's a basic statement: This faction wasn't being taken over craftworlds before, and now it's nerfed. You either take that the guy has some basic fucking knowledge of the game system or you don't. That's not "authority", it's basic awareness.

>>56471232

And then you turn around and say this shit, which actually -does- appeal to the authority of mr tournament organiser and the manufacturing company.

>> No.56471313

>>56471221
Even a fellblade beats it in nearly every respect

>> No.56471347
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56471347

Fuck me, finished my batch of 13 Plague Marines today. Took me a week of work.

I now have 4 squads with 1 Plasma Gun, 2 Blight Launchers and 2 Bolters. Also Chaos Lord with Combi-Plasma.

I plan on giving him the Arch Contaminator warlord trait so all those Marines reroll 1s to hit and the Blight Launchers reroll all wounds.

>> No.56471373

My friend is claiming that if he uses primaris models to represent regular marines, they can still ride in a repulsor.

Anyhow my question is can I hire one of you to beat some sense into him?

>> No.56471376
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>>56471208
>24 damage
Jesus. I'm still scared GW will leave Tsons high and dry due to Mr.Overperformer over there.
>>56471210
>More expensive than Aetaos'rau'keres while being lessy killy, less durable, and less psychic
To be fair Alphabet chicken is way undercost for what he does.

>> No.56471377

>>56471242
>dante didnt actually solo the swarmlord, the spirit (daemon) of sanguinius came down and struck down the beast before i fusing itself oonce and for all with the sanguinor to make the new NOT! Sanguinius model possible

>> No.56471394

>>56471242
ghost-daemonic Sanguinius on Baal.

>> No.56471398

Can a unit with two weapons shoot at the same target with both of them?

Such as when a space marine unit is within 12 inches of an enemy units, can they fire their bolters and their bolt pistols?

>> No.56471400

>>56471373
Tell him to choose what datasheet he is using to represent the unit

Look at the tags of that datasheet, does it say Primaris? If no, it cannot ride in a repulsor

>> No.56471404
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>>56471248
Ya know that kit is super good for starting up a Tzeentch army if you can buy a bucket of brimestones elsewhere. Gets you a Herald, Exalted Flamer, three Blues, and a Screamer if you're willing to do some work.
>>56471373
What? How does he even come close to justifying that?

>> No.56471406

>>56471376
>Jesus. I'm still scared GW will leave Tsons high and dry due to Mr.Overperformer over there.

It's not just about his melee bullshit. He has insane movement range with base 16" and Warptime, he is tanky as shit with 3++r1, he does a lot mortal wounds with his Smite, and all of that for 415pts.

Not to mention upcoming buffs in Codex Chaos Daemons.

He should get nerfed hard in upcoming CA.

>> No.56471415

>>56471398
Read the rules nigga

Read

>> No.56471422
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56471422

>>56471242
>blood angels
>supposed to be beautiful

>> No.56471424

>>56471347
Nice work - only a week is pretty fast too. I like your lord with the smiley head.

>> No.56471428

Dumb question maybe, but is there something I could proxy my Zoanthropes as that would make them actually act like the living artillery piece with synapse they're meant to be?

>> No.56471431

>>56471033
>traitors assault IF fortifications
>building is collapsing and killing traitors
>just as intended

>> No.56471432
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>>56471242
Anyone else think that armor is actually... kinda cool? Also unless you're a heretic, who wouldn't relish in the chance for people to read about best legion?

>> No.56471433

>>56471242
Some sexual tension between a Named Blood Angel and Ka'Bandha.

They eventually have to work together to to stomp some bugs

>> No.56471442

>>56471398
Normally yes. However, there's an exception with pistols - when you fire, you choose to fire all your pistols, or all your non-pistol weapons.

So, a tactical marine with bolt pistol and boltgun must choose one or the other.

A model with two bolt pistols could fire them both.

A model with a bolter and a meltagun could fire them both.

A Company Veteran on Bike who has a Twin Bolter, Meltagun, and Bolt Pistol can fire either his pistol OR his Twin Bolter and Meltagun

>> No.56471446

>>56471261
they cry about their primarch some more and circle jerk about his "glorious sacrifice" whats new

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>>56471422
Take a beautiful person, put them through a few hundred years of combat, see how beautiful they are.

>> No.56471470

>>56470233
Wow this post is autistic

>> No.56471480

>>56471404
>Gets you a Herald, Exalted Flamer, three Blues, and a Screamer if you're willing to do some work.
2 Screamers
1 Exalted Flamer
1 Herald (on foot or disk)
3 Blue Horrors
Enough bits for 3ish Objective Markers

Damn I love that kit.

Got 3 of them to form the core of my Tzeentch army.

>> No.56471482

>>56471305
>"Appeal to authority" are you fucking high?
Are you. Saying "you can say [insert claim] with no evidence if your opinion is respected" is practically the very definition of an appeal to authority
>This faction wasn't being taken over craftworlds before, and now it's nerfed.
Except
A) ynarri was being taken over craftworlds
B) just because it was nerfed doesn't mean it's now invalidated as he claimed. If, as was the case for ynarri, the original state was extremely OP, it being nerfed doesn't make it shit, but brings it in line with everything else. Which is what happened
SO now it is up to him to show the nerfs to something which was OP were to the extent to make them not viable, which he does nothing to show, only claim.
>And then you turn around and say this shit, which actually -does- appeal to the authority of mr tournament organiser and the manufacturing company.
that guy is not me. Don't be a retard and assume every single person who disagrees with you is the same person

>> No.56471498

>>56470890

Actually, that claim was from AbusePuppy, who's a pretty well-known writer for 40k on the old 3plusplus blog and now, occasionally, FLG

>> No.56471502

Are aegis/ imperial defence lines worth their points?

>> No.56471504

>>56471394
Apparently a bit of his soul remains on the Vengeful spirit. At least thats what the Black Legion books show.

>> No.56471528

>>56471446
I dont know anon maybe a long hard fought battle against the Tyranids and the Daemons on their homeworld? It sounds like it would make a good story.

>> No.56471541

>>56471528
Not when written by Black Library

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>>56470233
>Hot girl wearing daisy dukes comes into shop with space marines
>nobody else is there so we play
>ended up destroying her spritely astartes butthole with my giant green cock

Never saw her again

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>>56470088

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>>56471406
>Not to mention upcoming buffs in Codex Chaos Daemons.
>He should get nerfed hard in upcoming CA.
>>56471406
Can't believe I'm rooting for my Primarch to get nerfed. I just want to field him without feelin cheesy. Also why would he get buffed in Chaos Daemon codex?
>>56471480
I think I've bought four? I then coupled it with these little guys. It's super good and a better way to start up Tzeentch daemons than the SC! box.

>> No.56471559

>>56471498
Yes, and? So because he writes about 40k on the internet, he's right?
By that logic, recee, who runs the ITC and FLG, is even more right, because he has greater credentials.

>> No.56471565

>>56471558
The one the right
>Don't step on me!

>> No.56471576

>>56471432
I think its a shingled version of the Pec Armour you see on the sergeants of Tac squads. I like this design more tho.

>> No.56471585

>>56471559

The difference being that AbusePuppy writes really good articles that take into account both strengths and weaknesses of any given unit, as opposed to Reece who writes OMG EVERYTHING IS AMAZING, BY THE WAY HERE'S A LINK TO MY SHOP, DON'T YOU JUST LOVE GW

>> No.56471590

>>56470088
>Duncan
What happened to Duncan?

>> No.56471593
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>>56471558
It's reasonable. Magnus getting the nerf bat lets them spread the power back to everyone's favorite dust people.

>> No.56471613

>>56470233
Played a game of sigmar and 7th edition 40k against her

Both games basically went the same way

>small game 500-1000 points
>she brings toys instead of boys, units of draconian guard for sigmar and hammerheads for her 40k force
>I bring balanced lists but I'm a sucker for infantry, so I brought lots of troops (clanrats and tac marines)
>she insists that I not go easy on her just because she's new, wants to learn the full game
>imokwiththis.jpg
>absolutely crush her because she has no idea what she is doing
>even try and point her towards some proper moves (pile in this way or I can't get that objective if you out these units here)
>she doesn't listen
>got angry when she lost, left the store without a word

Some local guys called me am asshole for beating her and her boyfriend wouldn't play me in league games for like 2 months

>> No.56471635
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56471635

/tg/ I need your help.
I've been playing black templars (as a secondary army) since 6th and they've really grown on me but my army composition seems to suck in the current meta. I have 30 crusaders and 30 neophytes, 2 land raiders (crusader ofc), a termie chaplain, an emps champ, a terminator assault squad (TH/SS), and a stormraven but nothing seems to fit into 1500pts anymore.
What should I get to amend this and also preferably help with the problem of anti-tank/monster that I face now.
Much appreciated

>> No.56471641

>>56471528
its blood (necrons arent that bad actually) angels

>> No.56471653

>>56471558
>Also why would he get buffed in Chaos Daemon codex?
Probably because he has the keywords TZEENTCH and DAEMON. And Daemons don't have any more factions. So any stratagem that calls out either DAEMONS or TZEENTCH DAEMONS. Magnus is a valid target. Same goes for Morty.

>> No.56471656
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56471656

Am I crazy or is magnus hard countered by bubble wrapping cheap infantry around your valuable stuff and not leaving him room to land into melee?

>> No.56471661

>>56471167

With this hit to Ynarri, the best way to run it if you want to run all 3 is just to have a primary Craftworld detachment with a craftworld warlord trait, world trait and relic and another one with mixed deldar and harlequins. A bit limiting I guess but you get the advantages of a codex in your list like the imperial soup lists. With all the limitations on making an Ynarri list as it is I don't see this as much of a problem as someone who runs deldar/harlequins, as now I can add a craftworld alaitoc spearhead of dark reapers and an index/codex mashup up sniper warlord Autarch.

>> No.56471680

>>56471585
>The difference being that AbusePuppy writes really good articles that take into account both strengths and weaknesses of any given unit
Once again, so what? because he's written some good articles, he's always right about everything he claims when it comes to 40k?

>> No.56471691

>>56471656
>are melee units countered by chaff bubble wraps?
Gee anon, I don't know

>> No.56471697

>Ynnari players crying
Yes, this is exactly what I came here for, thank you for delivering you WAAC twats lol, fill my cup with tears

>> No.56471698

>>56470233
whats her foot game like?

>> No.56471699

>>56471641
I mean it seems all of the imperium is working with necrons recently so i dont see the problem with blood Angels doing it.

>> No.56471719

>>56471613
>>she insists that I not go easy on her just because she's new, wants to learn the full game
>>imokwiththis.jpg
>>absolutely crush her because she has no idea what she is doing
You're an idiot, no matter what someone says never crush them on their first couple games. What that really means is, make the game close, but don't make it obvious you're handicapping yourself

>> No.56471725

>>56471691
It’s not just the melee, it’s that smite is fucked too

>> No.56471728

>>56471699
>it seems all of the imperium is working with necrons recently
It's not.

>> No.56471733

>>56471680

The issue is you can't parse the difference between a straightforward issue where you can just give your opinion as a basic string of logic, and a contentious issue where you need to give hard evidence breakdowns.

>> No.56471767

>>56471697

It's pretty insane the amount of crying. I'm not gonna lie and say I wasn't raging when I saw the faq but a day later I'd rationalized it and figured my other armies can still work extremely well without trying to force infantry and bikes into them now.

>> No.56471773

>>56471719
I mean I just rolled dice and positioned my units to cap objectives

I brought tac marines with dreadnought support for the 40k game

And I brought clanrats and doomwheels for the sigmar game. Unless I lied about what my rules were I'm not sure how I could have gone easy on her.

The sigmar game was arguably the worst since she couldn't kill enough rats

>> No.56471779

>>56471699
>seems all of the imperium is working with necrons recently
Because Necrons are pragmatic. They want all the kids off their lawn
>their lawn being the galaxy.
But are wise enough to know if Chaos goes unchecked they'll be no more lawn.

Hell the Necrons tried helping the Eldar during the Gathering Storm. And the knife-ears attacked the Necrons. So tge Necrons killed both Chaps and Eldar.

>> No.56471781

>>56471733
>straightforward issue where you can just give your opinion as a basic string of logic
Which he didn't. He just claimed that because they are no longer OP, they're shit. That's not logical, because as already explained, if they were OP, which they were, then them being nerfed does not mean they are automatically bad, it means that they could have been nerfed enough or over nerefed. He just assumes they were the latter with no real proof of it, because in his tiwsted WAACfag mind (and apparently yours too) if you can't punish the enemy for their success, then it's shit.

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>>56471653
Oh I hadn't consider than. Makes sense.
>>56471656
I mean yes, but he can kinda clear his own path using Super Smite if he needs to. I usually hold two squads of Scarabs for deepstriking in and clearing chaff for him if needed.

>> No.56471787

>>56471699
>cawl
>all of the imperium

>> No.56471804

>>56471773
I see. Yeah, if you brought tacs and dreads in 7th and still won, she was just shit. How much help did you give her?

>> No.56471871

>>56471590
Had a stroke

>> No.56471881

>>56471782
>two squads of Scarab Occult cost more than Magnus

Think about that for a second.

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>>56471871

>> No.56471908

>>56471881
Also TS's only? unit that can keep up with Magnus.

>> No.56471912

>>56470561
Maybe if the dudes were hotter. I know men have no issue consuming content that is mostly attractive women.

40k needs more male hotness

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>>56471635
I love your army composition. But yeah, land raiders and terminators got very point heavy. I'm not surprised you're having trouble.

Other than meltaguns in your crusader squads (and having a castellan lieutenant nearby might help there too) maybe predators with lascannons could be a good resource for you? I'm thinking that or a nice pair of dreadnoughts with guns who are fairly cheap and reliable would be nice for you.

Good luck fellow dorn bro.

>> No.56471917

>>56471218
probably not. if you're wanting to maximize CP you'll want to go full brigade spam since you can do one for 690 points.

>> No.56471925

>>56471719
>my first game of 40k was against my stores resident WAACfag
>he unceremoniously smashed my army by turn 3
>The worst part was he was just a complete ass about it the entire time, snarky comments about poor positioning and constantly going on about how his army comp was superior
>my second game was against another powergamer
>he played well, smashed my army like the first
>actualy enjoyed playing him because he provided good advicefor a newbie and was overall nice and fun to play against
The duality of WAACfags

>> No.56471944

>>56471781

Just joining this argument but the nerfs kinda gut the core mechanic of the army which itself overwrite the core mechanics of the 3 armies involved and the craftworld codex stuff (as you HAVE to have an Ynarri warlord).
Now, you effectively only need one decent shooting unit (a squad of dark reapers?) a squad to take advantage of a second fight phase (troupe of harleys) and Yvraine to cast WOTP. Rather than being the base for Elf Soup, Ynarri is just a seasoning now, which arguably is how it should be since they're a tiny faction within a dying race.

>> No.56471945

>>56471871
>>56471884
It's true tho. He drank his paint water by mistake. 1 like = 2 thin prayers for Duncan. Hopefully the shakes won't be permanent. Otherwise he'll have a hard time painting Fulgrim.

>> No.56471948

>>56471242
I'm torn, Blood Angels are my favourite chapter, but Tyranids are boring as shit. Help me justify buying a boring as shit Tyranid book.

>> No.56471958

>>56471428
run them as a bunch of neurothropes maybe?

that's it really.

>> No.56471969

>>56471871
Is it true that he had two small strokes rather than one big stroke?

>> No.56471976

>>56471948
Buy it so you can share it with us.

>> No.56471981

>>56471948
Look at this faggot he buys books.

>> No.56471982

>>56470088
Ugh I like the Ynarri HQ's, better than Deldar and Clowns who I run. I guess you could run Vraine or Visarch as am attachment?

>> No.56471983

>>56471428
3 units of 3 to unleash large psychic blasts.

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>>56471915
I might go for a dreadnought battery, maybe bring tankred along eh?
Thanks brother

>> No.56472021

>>56471976
I don't know if it's morally sound to spread boring Tyranid fluff around, it'd be like purposely spreading AIDS.

>> No.56472035

>>56472021
I dont know Tyranids can be pretty cool like when they you know uh adapt to stuff.

>> No.56472038

>>56471944
>Just joining this argument but the nerfs kinda gut the core mechanic of the army which itself overwrite the core mechanics of the 3 armies involved and the craftworld codex stuff (as you HAVE to have an Ynarri warlord).
if by core mechanics you mean "when you die in enemy turn, you get to use SfD" then that's good, because that mechanic is retarded.
It encourages the opponent to not fight you, and goes utterly against any good form of game design.
At a very basic level, a wargame is fundamentally based on one simple principle: If you play well, you are rewarded, if you play, poorly, you lose. SfD is the exact opposite of this. If your opponent does well, you are rewarded and they are punished, if you do poorly, you are rewarded and they are punished. That's horrible game deisgn, because it encourages the opponent to not do well, which essentially means it encourages them to lose. Shooting at the enemy becomes bad, killing your opponents units is now bad, the very core mechanics of how to win at 40k are now turned against someone playing against ynarri.
That had to be removed, because it was both OP AND at a fundamental level it was retarded.
That said, limiting it to once per turn rather than once per phase was a bit much, but hardly to the point of making them unplayable

>> No.56472045

>>56471982

I'm gonna be running an Ynarri detachment something like;

Spearhead

Yvraine

5 × Troupe

3× Ravager
5× Dark Reaper

I'd only take this when not taking any other craftworld shit though otherwise I'd just take a craftworld leader. I might throw the Yncarne in or a troupe master, but other than that I'll be running Harleys and deldar with their standard rules.

>> No.56472053

>>56472021
You share it with us so more people will not buy it. Because book will not sell itself BL will not write book about nids anymore.

>> No.56472058

>>56471656
Only if you play an army with chaff units.

>> No.56472095

>>56472053
Just read it, we already know how it ends.

>> No.56472113
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Oh Sarah!

>> No.56472120

>>56471944
The mechanic is REALLY bad. should just be a 5+++ for every unit within 6" of a killed unit

>> No.56472131

>>56471948
Best legion against an unrelenting unthinking horde of NPCs allowing for major focus on BA characters and development sounds damn good to me.

>> No.56472132
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Name a more iconic duo.

I'll wait.

>> No.56472134

>>56471969
He needed blood thinners.

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>>56472132
>magnus
>not russ

>> No.56472144

>>56472113
That silly mentally unhinged Sarah.

>> No.56472145
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>>56472113
Best girl!
>dat cheeky smile
>poisoning someones white with purple
>dat cat fluff on her shit

>> No.56472149

>>56472038

Totally agree, I was going to argue that Ynarri are the faction that make me think the most tactically but that's only in my turn when trying to set up cascading soulbursts. I don't think it should have been limited to 1 type of soulburst. Removing it in the enemies phase will go a long way to balancing are strength from death but as it stands Now, there is little point taking much more than the minimum that can make use of the soulbursts.

>> No.56472151

>>56471983

What kind of retarded anti-advice is this? Do you even comprehend how shitty that stratagem is?

>> No.56472160

>>56472113
>that nose

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>>56472145
>>56472144

She doesn't really look like her cartoon.

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>>56472113
Looks like the community team needs the help of a certain someone

>>56472120
I could see buffing it up to "only once may be used per phase" but with the removal of the "it work in both players" turn thing, it's perfectly fine. If you do well, you are rewarded even more by getting the chance to do well again. It's perfectly fine, it's just that in the WAACfag world, shooting a unit to death allowing you're melee units to fight out of phase for free is bad

>> No.56472181

>>56470346
600 points and it would be good. Not amazing, but at least not garbage.

>> No.56472194
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>>56472160
>Irish

lmao

>> No.56472209

>>56472167
Most people don't. When you do a cartoon version of someone you have control to make them a little more attractive so most people do that. Though sometimes the hot girl draws herself ugly.

>> No.56472217

>>56472194
That chick is Jewish.

>> No.56472219

>>56472167
Not at all, the cartoon has reddish hair. weird

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>>56471992
Hecka yeah

>> No.56472239

Alright anons, which is better

>Magnus, Mortarion, Alphabet Chicken + Tzeentch Daemons

or

>Magnus, Mortarion, Falchon + Tzeentch Daemons

>> No.56472242
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56472242

>wanted some Yvraine/Visarch models for corsair-themed army conversions
>Ynnari nerf drops
Thanks GW, will be watching eBay.

>> No.56472256

>>56472149
>I don't think it should have been limited to 1 type of soulburst
yeah, definitely. I think that there does need to be some balance, to both prevent exploding soulbursts and to limit how effective it becomes so that it doesn't allow you to steam roll an opponent by getting a games worth of fighting and shooting in one turn, but I think that could have been solved by saying
"if a unit is killed by a soulburst action, it's destruction does not allow for any soulbursts actions to be taken as a result of it's destruction" and "each action may only be used once per phase" in additon to soul burt being limited to your turn only
That way ynarri can still get quite a few soulbursts, but not to the point it becomes OP

>> No.56472257

>>56472242
I wonder what new tau players felt like after 8th came out.

>> No.56472270

>>56472242
I love Yvraine. I wish she was a human model so I could throw her into my Inquisition/Guard army.

>> No.56472277

>>56472239
Magnus, morty, chicken man+ dual grav flux levis+malefic lord spam

>> No.56472296

>>56472256

>Soulburst actions cannot trigger further soulburst actions. A unit may only soulburst once in the players turn. Units destroyed in the enemies turn do not trigger soulburst.

This is a fair and just balancing of the Ynarri.

>> No.56472300

>>56472277
I'm mostly trying to see how viable is Falchion as sub for chicken.

Vulcano canon on one target and eight las shoots on the other sounds pretty legit. He does cost ~100pts more, however.

>> No.56472333

>>56472242

I feel ya dude, I've just popped the head off my Yvraine and gonna change her weapons up. I also ordered a 2nd visarch and some sisters of silence for conversions. Yvraine and Visarch are going to become my Archon and Lady Malys with some conversions, the sisters are either going to be Lhameans or Female Incubi

>> No.56472335

>>56471404
>>56471480
Just picked up the Tzeentch SC at FLGS super-sale.

Still trying to figure out how the blues work with the herald on chariot.

>> No.56472367

>>56471881
>>56471908
I mean I have the models and I like em. I usually only ever have to use one squad to clear a path. The other will usually go somewhere and hold a location for me.

>> No.56472382

>>56472300
chicken is better

>>56472296
the only issue I see with it is that if you don't limit how often you can soulburst, you can essentially create a situation where the ynarri player pairs up a group of shooting, psychic and melee units so that each tag teams to allow them to soulburst each turn, then spam that combo so each unit in the group essentially gets to do what it does twice each turn, in essence giving any competent ynarri player twice the number of turns of the opponent.
But then again, I'm not sure how powerful or viable that would be in practice. I think starting with either one would be fine, and then using playtesting, player feedback and tourney results to determine if it to OP/underpowered

>> No.56472391

>>56472296
I kind of feel making it only in the owning player's turn and only one type of soulburst per round might have been too far too fast. To me, and I only have like 1100 points of DE, and then a random Farseer so no eldar or soup player here, it would have made more sense to either make it you can only do one soulburst action per player turn, or, you can do as many soulburst actions as you want, but, only on your turn. Both seems way too hard out of the gate.

Because it seems if the issue was out of sequence play (playing in the opponents turn) then just remove that aspect. If it was that they got to abuse soulburst and doing multiple other actions out of sequence in their own turn then it would be limiting them to only one soulburst of each type per turn.

But, the rules are the rules, still curious to try them out someday.

>> No.56472406
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56472406

Eldar anti-infantry firepower, shuriken cannons or scatter lasers?

>> No.56472419

>>56471590
They hired a guy to split the workload with him. So Duncan is even less daily.

>> No.56472435

DE buffs confirmed.
>Designer’s note: As part of our continuing efforts to make sure that matched play remains a fair and competitive way to play Warhammer 40,000, we felt it was necessary to review how Ynnari armies played in light of the changes made in Codex: Craftworlds. When Index: Xenos 1 was first written, Ynnari armies were playtested using the datasheet rules and points values printed in that book. With the introduction of new Stratagems, improvements to several datasheets, and a general reduction in points values for Codex: Craftworlds units (and anticipating similar changes that will be made in Codex: Drukhari and Codex: Harlequins), it was felt that we needed to address the balance of Ynnari armies so that they remain a competitive army to play with, and against, in matched play games.

>> No.56472439
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>>56472335
You pay for them, and they ride the chariot giving it a 9" -1 to enemy psyker tests aura. They don't do anything else.

>> No.56472441

How good is the huge ass Volkite CHOOM cannon?

>> No.56472442

>>56472406
scatter lasers. more shots and more range for the same price. You don't really need the rending against light infantry. Make sure to mount on stationary platforms or saim-han jetbikes

>> No.56472445

>>56472419
Chris Peach has been with GW longer than Duncan, Anon.

>> No.56472451

>>56470131
>only 12 shots
>plasma eradicators are more attractive than the main weapon
wow it's nothing

>> No.56472453

>>56471590
>>56472419

Dunc has been slaving over Morty
https://twitter.com/WHTV_Dunc/status/930802253119803393

Peachy can pick up the slack when Dunc is busy

>> No.56472461

>>56472391
>I kind of feel making it only in the owning player's turn and only one type of soulburst per round might have been too far too fast
Removing it being in both turns wasn't even a nerf, it should have been the case from the get go. As stated earlier, allowing you to soulburst when the enemy shoots you up in their shooting phase is the pinnacle of poor game design.
With that out of the way, the question becomes how to limit it, because it does need to be limited. GW probably went a bit too far with only one of each per turn, but the question of how much is too much and how little is too little is what needs to be figured out

>> No.56472475

>>56472435
> we felt we needed to balance the Ynnari armies
So did they not care about this before?

>> No.56472483

>>56472435
where's that from?

>> No.56472485

>>56472445
Okay "reassigned a guy."

>> No.56472486

>>56472435
Yesss, the True Kin will reign supreme!
I hope Reavers get a nice point drop and get back their hammer of wrath shenanigans as a stratagem. Archon customization, too. There is literally no reason for them not to have Ghostplate Armor.

>> No.56472490

>>56472441
Which one?

>> No.56472504

>>56472439
Thanks. So 24 pts for anti-psyker aura... doesn't sound that great.

I wish I had known the chariot box hack before I'd gotten the Tzeentch SC box today... Might have to go pick up a chariot box anyways.

>> No.56472508

>>56472490

The space marine one?

>> No.56472512

>>56472435

Well, duh, what'd you expect? Codex: Nerfbat?
More surprised they're still dragging out Harlequins as a separate book.

>> No.56472527

>>56472508
On what unit? to my knowledge, the only volkite marines get is the one on the tartaros serg

>> No.56472536

>>56472439
what says you pay for them? Daemon units don't have wargear options. The blue horrors on the chariot are free.

>> No.56472540

>>56472512
Codex: AdMeching them was a possibility.

>> No.56472545

>>56470233
Tabled her on turn 3 or 4, felt a little bad about it.

>> No.56472548

>>56472045
I prefer PfP and rising crescendo as rules. I wish I could run Yncarne so I could put Troupes in Raiders but keep rising crescendo and PfP.

>> No.56472551

>>56472504
blue horrors are 3 points.
but more importantly, you don't pay for them, as they are a weargear upgrade

>> No.56472570

>>56471925
My first games were at a local tournament, I got tabled by round two two times, one time I managed to get a draw due to both of us having litteraly I victory points, not even first blood

>> No.56472580

>>56472527

On the space marine baneblade of course! What other marine volkite is a huge ass CHOOM cannon?

>> No.56472588

>>56472548
>Troupes in Raiders
You can't do that anyway. Ynnead's Will only applies to Yvraine and the Visarch.

>> No.56472590

>>56472461
It was the fact that it was both at once, not that it was just removing you from acting in the enemy's turn. Not that it isn't uncommon in other games (reaction shots, alternating activation, ect). I think limitation is the main question now, though it would have been interesting if the only option for the only soulburst during an enemy turn would be to move and you have unlimited use of it. "Oh shit, squad next to us just evaporated, well let's move over there to not suffer the same fate!" Would have been an interesting option, or like grant a -1 to hit or something on a 6+ so it isn't an always buff for units next to them dying. It's cheesy, but, fluffy, and I am more of a fluffy type of person. Hence why I get the whole ability to suddenly cast a psychic power in the enemy's shooting phase is a bit stupid, or shoot back in a game where that doesn't normally happen. Makes a lot of butt hurt due to it is super unique and doubles the volume of fire (even though we now have a lot of ways for marines and even IG to when they die to get off one last shot before being removed, so not as big of a thing, it is more of the choice I guess.)

>> No.56472594

>>56472536
Oh are they? I've honestly never used the chariot and just kinda assumed you had to pay for them.

>> No.56472595

Anyone know what Tom Walton has designed?
I'm trying to guess what kit he is going to reveal.

>>56472540
Codex AdMeching being not being overpowered?

>> No.56472598

>>56472580

Space marines can't take Baneblades.

>> No.56472613

>>56472598
Why not? They are both Imperirum.

>> No.56472617

>>56472595
>Codex AdMeching being not being overpowered?
I interpreted it as making them okay, but stale.

>> No.56472620

Is putting two macharious heavy tanks or vanquishers in a 150 poiunt army faggotry?

>> No.56472621

>>56472598

Then who was phone?

>> No.56472623

>>56471558
>"i don't want to be cheesy!"
>fields brimstones

>> No.56472627

>>56472594
I assumed the same for the Bloodletters on my Bloodthrone and no you dont have to pay for them.

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What went right?

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>>56472635
Post the painted version.

>> No.56472654

>>56472595
I.e. No points changes. Here's you Stratagems and Relics. Enjoy. What's promising is the "General points reductions."

>> No.56472657

>>56472548

I prefer PfP and Crescendo too, but If you've been sharing vehicles willy nilly thats been cheating since Shortly after Ynarri's release.

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>>56470131

>> No.56472667

>>56472649
If he had a bit darker skin tone i think id like it more.

>> No.56472673

>>56472623
Depends on the quantity of Brimstones. Cheese isn't a binary YES/NO

>I field Brimstones... because I run a couple Full Split squads of 10-15 Pink Horrors.

>> No.56472683
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>grabs your models

>> No.56472689

>>56472673

What kind of idiot would reserve points to split horrors?

>> No.56472711

Which Aspect Warriors are playable now and which are shit?

>> No.56472717

>>56472711
all are playable

>> No.56472735

>>56471613
What a bunch of fags.
>>56471719
>someone tells you to treat them like an adult
>lol, you treat them like a retard, just don't let them realize it
Naw. She got exactly what she asked for and then got sour grapes about it. She's the one at fault.

>> No.56472742

>>56472689
Fully split its 4.8 pts a Wound.

Plus a "10" unit is really 50 dudes.
They're easy to summon.

>Plus I don't need to own all my models 20 Blue & Brimstones models can be like 60 throughout a game.

>> No.56472744
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>>56472623
I run all types of horrors. I hope the codex will make me running pinks and blue be a not shit idea. I also never run brimestones and Magnus in the same list. Brimestones come out when I do my stupid Herald spam list.

>> No.56472746

>>56472735
>so this is the power of autism

>> No.56472748

>>56472717
I don't believe that, every codex has shitty units and some aspects have always been in that group.

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>>56470131
I'd rather go for Fellblade or Falchion than this shit.

>> No.56472768

>>56472711

They're all wickity wickid m8. Go crazy with them.

>> No.56472811

>>56470131
Nope, just ordered the beastman bounty hunter, some etched brass and some quad bolter rapiers for my chaos armies though. Have to say the model doesn't seem worth the points compared to other super heavies or even equivalent firepower. 2 Leviathans cost almost as much for me and I think they put out far better firepower

>> No.56472817

>>56472588
>>56472657
No I've never run Harlies in Deldar vehicles. I like running the two of them together but I'd like to be able to use the Visarch or Vraine as HQ's which you can't do unless you use Ynarri rules.

>> No.56472828
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>>56471422
GW manager told me that the librarian in Space Hulk is Mephiston
Now I can't use my terminator librarian in the same game as mephiston reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>> No.56472844

>>56472746
>you aren't white knighting for a random women from an internet story
>you must be autistic
She asked him to not to go easy. He didn't. Her getting upset about that makes her the asshole, not him.

>> No.56472851
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>tfw won this on ebay
>tfw so pumped to add this boy to my army

>> No.56472860

>>56471422
Hundreds of years of war fucks you up.

>> No.56472861

>>56471033
did that guy get crushed?!?!

>> No.56472864

>>56472817
>but I'd like to be able to use the Visarch or Vraine as HQ's which you can't do unless you use Ynarri rules.
why not?

>> No.56472868

>>56472748

Dark Reapers are amazing long range support
Howling Banshees have +3 to charge range and ignore overwarch (partner with webway stratagem for turn 1 lock down)
Striking scorpions are great anti teq
Swooping Dorks have some great utility weapons (-1 to hit for the rest of turn) and drop mortal wounds whenever they fly over an enemy) and can return to deep strike to grab objectives
Dire avengers get a LOT of stratagem support and put out a lot of dakka but also have great survivability
Fire dragons are fire dragons. Fly em up in a wave serpent or webway strike and fuck shit up.
Warp spiders are the only ones I don't know about, but they seem rapid as fuck and have a -1 to hit against them with really good weapons and insane mobility with a low risk of taking a mortal wound.

Honestly they're all great

>> No.56472899

>>56472817

Supreme Command Detachment

Yvraine
Visarch
Obligatory 3rd HQ

You'll have to be clever with your detachments but I'm sure you'll be able to work it.

>> No.56472902

>>56471948
I mean Guy Haley knocked it out the park with Dante which was pure 40kino and this seems like a direct continuation

>> No.56472917

>>56472844
>babby's first 40k game
>tables them because they said "not to go easy"
>they never want to play again

Symptoms of autism include being able to only take words literally, and and inability to pick up on others intentions and contextual clues.

Has nothing to do with white knighting. I wouldn't crush a 1st time playing neckbeard of nurgle even if they said "don't go easy" because in a casual game the point is to have fun.

>> No.56472924

>>56472851
Nice. How much did it cost you? I'm thinking tracking down the BL one and am a bit sad FW discontinued them.

>> No.56472947

>>56472613
well you can can bring an Imperium army with some space marines and a baneblade. but the baneblade and its variants isn't a space marine unit. It astra Militarum

>> No.56472965

>>56472924
40 quid including shipping
the IW one is really cool too

>> No.56472967

>>56472620
assuming you mean 1500.
if they're the only tanks, just edging the line.

>> No.56472979

Can someone who knows maths tell me what the % success rate of a 5+ rerollable is?

>> No.56472987

>>56472917
>tables them
You should re-read the story instead of railing against some inane strawman.

He tried to give her pointers, she didn't listen. People don't learn if you treat them like invalids. I always like when you patronizing fucks act like you have the moral high ground because you don't respect other people's wishes and instead treat them like children.

>> No.56472994

>>56472979
0.55

>> No.56473001

>>56472979
(1-(2/3)^2)

>> No.56473007

>>56472868
>This is eldar in 8th
>B-b-but muh soulburst nerf!!1! Eldar >suck now I swear!!1!!
i can't wait for nidfags to be upset that they get nerfed next edition

>> No.56473023

>>56473007
Shit, the whining started as soon as they saw they weren't going to completely unseat Imperial and Chaos Soup lists as the top dog.

>> No.56473037

If I have a flier, and my opponent has a screen of dudes w/ another dude behind them, can I declare a charge against the dude behind the screen assuming there's room for my base?

>> No.56473038

>>56472748
doesn't mean you can't play them

>> No.56473047

>>56473037
Yes.

>> No.56473083

>>56473037
Yes, but keep in mind that lots of flyers have the Airborne rule, which means they can only charge units that FLY.

>> No.56473084

>>56472683
>looses an arm
Don't touch my tiny space soldier toys you monster.

>> No.56473085

>>56473037
You can and it drives me crazy. Fucking Eldar.

>> No.56473106

>>56473007

People aren't mad that the nerf makes deldar/eldar/harlequins weak, because it hasnt. They're mad that Ynarri as a choice has been made inferior to taking the normal elf army traits, rendering The Yncarne, Yvraine and Visarch as a handicap for anything you want to put them in a detachment with.

>> No.56473114

>>56473091
Flyers can move across models as though they weren't there.

>> No.56473117

>>56473114
Yeah, I misread the initial query.

>> No.56473134

>>56473106
>the ability to play Eldar Soup with bonus rules comes with an opportunity cost
Nobody other than WAAC Ynnari fags (that's all of them) cares.

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56473137

Should I paint up my Magnus in his old Epic colors?

>> No.56473150

>>56473083
Airborne models can't charge at all.

>> No.56473160

>>56473137
If you can do it well and/or think it'll look nice go ahead

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>>56472683
God damnit Phil

>> No.56473182

>>56473162
Is that Glacial Geek?

>> No.56473190

>>56473083
>>56473085
>>56473047
>>56473114

Thanks guys looks like my opponent last night was either misinformed or was trying to screw me over.

>> No.56473200
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56473200

What's the difference between an earthshaker battery and an earthshaker carriage?

>> No.56473205

>>56473134

I just wanted to use the Yncarne breh. I mainly ran my deldar force with him who didn't even benefit from SFD. We're not all waacfags.

>> No.56473218

>>56473190
If you can point to rules that support your position and he can't, then don't let him weasel his way out. Rolling a D6 to decide rules disputes is for retards and cheaters.

>> No.56473222

>>56473200
One has crew and the other doesn't.

>> No.56473238

>>56473190
I would go with the former. Do not attribute malice what can be explained to by stupidtiy.

>> No.56473240

>>56472851

It's a recast, I bought one and then couldn't get a refund. Reporting them to GW did nothing, and eBay made it nearly impossible to report to them.

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>>56470345
>>56470540
>Playing chaos

>> No.56473244
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>>56473222
What's the benefit of paying more for crew?

>> No.56473246
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Tips on how to improve this, aside from basing it?

>> No.56473258

>>56473246
Edge highlight the glowey hammer

>> No.56473261

>>56473244
Nothing.

>> No.56473262
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>>56473160
I feel like it could look good. My brother use to have the old epic Magnus, and he had it painted like that so I'm alittle bias to liking it. If I paint him up like a LoC It'll probably look good. Think I'll test run the color scheme on my DP first before I do it on Magnus
>>56473162
This hurts me at my very core

>> No.56473263

>>56473246
I get that you're trying to make the hammer look glowy, but it just looks unfinished. Give it a highlight.

>> No.56473278

Goliath or Chimera as a replacement of Taurox

No, adding wheels to the Taurox does not help, it still looks like ass.

>> No.56473279

>>56473246
Hammer head can use highlighting. It's very flat / dull / boring
Hand holding hammer doesn't have black web painted / looks unfinished
Gun arm has sprue crap on it
Maybe an edge shading on the grey

>> No.56473284

>>56473200
The earthshaker batter is generally better - its cheaper (after you consider the cost of the crew) and without the drawback of having said crew in the first place. (if your opponent can get around to the crew they are much easier to eliminate)

HOWEVER, as per the Errata, the carriages all form a unit, where the batteries are seperate units, so they benefit from having all 3 carriages in a unit for abilities that target units (what immediately comes to mind is the vallhallan(?) +1 to hit stratagem)

>> No.56473301

>>56473284
So running H&R means there's absolutely no reason to?

>> No.56473305

>>56473262
Wings needed to be gold but over all not bad.

>> No.56473311

What's the worst unit in your codex?

>> No.56473320

>>56473262
You don't need to seek approval from anons about a paintjob you think would be cool, anon. You have reason enough to do it, you should go for it.

>> No.56473328

>>56473190
Huh, so fly let's you ignore the can't go within an inch of enemy models you didn't charge thing?

>> No.56473339

>>56473301
Unless R&H have unit targeting abilties, or you want to stretch your aura abilities out, no, the batteries are almost always better.

>> No.56473346

>>56473311
Inquisition: Daemonhost
Space Marines: Probably...Primaris Inceptors? Servitors?

>>56473328
You can pass over them but can't end your move within 1" of them.

>> No.56473351

>>56473311
Probably Sanguinary Ancient.

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What went wrong?

>> No.56473369

>>56473311
A tossup between the servitor and the Commissar. Who am I kidding, the servitor can at least shoot the enemy.

>> No.56473374

>>56473351

Huh I though that the sanguiniary ancient was pretty good.

>> No.56473376

>>56473311
Sniper Drones?

>> No.56473377

I wish marine Ancients would give +1A, they look so cool but are absolute trash.

>> No.56473391

>>56473367
Tzeentchy propoganda over years of subliminal schooling.

>> No.56473402

>>56473377
They're awesome with Black Templars and a big Crusader Squad.

>> No.56473405

>>56473311

Zoanthropes, I think?

Even the Neurothrope variant is only good because of secondary shit like being untargetable synapse and having a slot for a buff power.

>> No.56473414

>>56473258
>>56473263

done, thanks. first attempt at "glow"

>> No.56473416

>>56473377
I wish my flavor of marines had Ancients. I always thought the 4+ aura was cool at least

>> No.56473424

>>56473367
No models outside of forgeworld

>> No.56473429
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>>56473305
I'm actually not sure if I want to do the wings gold or not. It's part of the original color scheme, yes, but if I fuck it up it'll look super gaudy. Maybe if I darken it a fair bit? I'll have to do some testing.
>>56473320
I'm not really looking for approval. Some times I come up with ideas and I miss something. I post here to see if anyone catches a reason as to why it wouldnt work.

>> No.56473432

>>56473377
I like em with hellblasters and devastators. It's like points insurance.

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>>56473424
Where do you think all of those legs come from?

>> No.56473460

>>56473377
>>56473432
The Chapter Ancient is also nice because he comes with a bunch of attacks with a power sword. Can help in low-priority combats.

Also: the Standard of The Emperor Ascendant is nice. Immunity to morale, upgrade's the 4+ to 3+, and -1 Ld to enemies.

>> No.56473461

>>56473429
You got a point but keeping the wings blue makes them bland too much with the skin so maybe look for something to contrast the skin.

>> No.56473462

>>56473377
Try Company Vets with Plasma + SS, a Captain and Ancient. Give him a banner relic while you are at it.

Then watch as your opponent cries tears of blood.

>> No.56473477

>>56473456
That makes it worse because both GW and FW half assed them.

>> No.56473489

>>56473456
Oh boy! Now i have to buy two sets to get a one unit!

>> No.56473494
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>>realizing that ultramarines are way better at defense than imperial fists due to ld buff for standing ground and fall back/shoot ability
>>fists only good at knocking forts over

>> No.56473501

>>56473489
t. poorfag

>> No.56473503

>>56473489
>>56473477
>>56473456
Just use the cultists from Dark Vengeance

>> No.56473506

>>56472828
He is not Mephiston, it's Calistarius.
Calistarius was Blood Angel librarian and he got black rage. He fought on Armageddon an was buried under building. Then Mephiston was born.
So you can field him and Mehiston.

TL;DR He is Mephiston before he became Mephiston.

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>>56473461
I was thinking about doing them up like a LoC with a nice sea green color on the tips. It's either that or a pink color similar to what I used for my Pink Horrors.

>> No.56473517

>>56473489
The joys pain of renegades never ends or gets updated!

>> No.56473531

>>56473503
Because I like having 50 monopose models, also cultist and militia are separate units in R&H so it wouldn't help.

>> No.56473535

>>56473501
You get to be a poorfag if you waste more money stupidly in your already stupid hobby.

>> No.56473552

>>56473531
Get some historical infantry from Warlord Games and say they're a Guard regiment that recently turned traitor and are still wearing their homeworld's uniforms.

They've got a bunch of options so you can pick any theme you like

>> No.56473561

>>56473531
Shove autogun cultists into militia/vet squads and choppy pistol flamer cultists into a blob lead by a whip wizard. Sprinkle fw renegade models for variety.

>> No.56473572

>>56473561
That's already what I do.

>> No.56473579

>>56473311
Mutilators
Can't think up a use for them that can't be done better by termies, obliterators, berzerkers, or chaos spawn

>> No.56473587

Ok /tg/ going to start playing deathwatch soon what works and what doesn't?

>> No.56473595
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Just came home from a game i did not deserve to win, missplaced most things but mainly my baneblade that was in line of sight of all the lascannons in the world and still lived on 1 hp, also last turn i drew 3 tactical objectives i could secure by one movement because get to enemy deployment zone and get to objective 6 which was in enemy deployment zone, and an objective i already was next to.
Me as Vostroya vs Night lords.

>> No.56473605

>>56473587
shoot the enemy in the face.

>> No.56473611

>>56473595
Last night my basic, unnamed Inquisitor with Force Sword and bolter solo'd a Murdersword chaos lord in one turn. Smite took off 3 wounds in the psychic phase, then he charged and did the rest in melee.

>> No.56473616

>>56473587
Works: blackstars, frag cannons, dreadnought
Doesn't: everything else

>> No.56473623

>>56472441
The glaive has no 40k rules, only the fellblade and falchion

>> No.56473626
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Are these good in 8th? They're fun to paint

>> No.56473632

>>56473611
Sounds like he's a hero and needs a fucking name immediately

>> No.56473634

>>56473311

Stompa. And I'm fairly sure it's a solid contender for worst unit in the game.

>> No.56473646

>>56473616
Really? cause if so that's a shame

>> No.56473661

What has been the worst codex released so far and why?

>> No.56473662
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>>56473632
Well I gave him a fluff name, Kalerus.

Here he is realizing that one of his fellows' experiments is drawing the Swarm like a lodestone and deciding to put an end to the madness now.

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>>56473611
He needs a name, since names are promotions.

>> No.56473675

>>56473646
Everything is super over costed. They'll likely change radically with their codex to fix a lot of their problems.

>> No.56473679

How would I best play Dark Eldar as Vampire Counts/Necromancers? I like the idea of them being the lords of death who use weird science to bring back their tortured slaves from the dead. I figure homunculus, but anything I can do for chaff? Just model some wyches/kabalites as undead?

>> No.56473695

>>56473662
>>inquisitor with crimson fists
Classic. Love it.

>> No.56473701

>>56473587
You only have one unique troop, two elites, and one fast attack. They don't have a lot of diversity in that respect.

Your marines are 19 ppm so be careful with them. Don't go crazy kitting them out because you can easily turn them into 50+ point 1 w models that will get shot off the table.

Watch Masters are your strongest general HQ. Don't mix up kill teams to much (like giving half CC weapons and half ranged upgrades). Terminators don't do well mixed in with Kill Teams, bikes go to melee kill teams and vanguard vets go to shooty kill teams. A full squad of terminators kitted for shooting is like 500 pts so again be careful with it. If you take a squad of bikes make sure you remember to set up the free teleport homer. Also remember with your standard vets you can upgrade them with a chainsword and boltgun for free. You're special issue ammo is strong so don't give it up for no reason. It's better to pay the extra points for a combi plasma and keep the ammo instead of just a plasma gun.

Remember that you can take some Primaris units too so that can help you fill out your list. Boltstorm Aggressors are great to help bolster your shooting while Intercessors can give you cheap troops.

>> No.56473713

If I want a cool fluff Tau army. What should I use?

>> No.56473717

>>56473506
Yeah but it's still the same guy so it doesn't really work

>> No.56473721

>>56473695
I have a force of Black Templars already, but I decided I didn't want to mix Primaris and Classic Marines in the same force, so I decided that I'd do my Primaris boys as CFs

>> No.56473738

>>56473713
What even counts as a fluffy Tau army nowadays? Since auxiliaries have been much less relevant

>> No.56473745

Is it just me, or should the Avatar of Khaine have a daemon prince-like statline?

>> No.56473749

>>56473587
>deathwatch
Wait for the codex unless you already have an assembled army. If you do then play with what you got, lots of bolter boys and stalker bolters are good.

>> No.56473757

>>56473367
That it's poorly written space "gods" from space hell that made them rebel rather than actual discontent caused by the imperium's failing infrastructure and totalitarianism resulting in adolescent (at best) lore rather than actual rebels who work beneath the surface of society to undermine it, making them actually sympathetic antagonists rather than "Got's ta get da blud for da blud god!' or other such memetic garbage ("Just as planned!" or "Papa Nurgle") that retards like and never stop spewing. Almost as bad as Rick and Morty fans.

>> No.56473760

>>56473701
What weapon choices are worth taking for CC Kill Teams?

>> No.56473766

Are Barbed Stranglers on a Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst worth taking over Deathspitters?

>> No.56473776

What are the best weapons for WE helbrute? Fist + Scourge? 2fist?

>> No.56473777

>>56473377
Company ancients can be given wargear. For example, mine has a combi-melta as for insurance. (I'd do combi-plas but I've used mine all up)

>> No.56473781

>>56473749
I kind of just want to buy the Corvus Blackstar, wish that was also available to Raven Wing. Different Anon.

>> No.56473782

>>56473721
Good call. Despite BT taking in a lot of primaris reinforcements, they just don't fit the knight theme at all. No chopping units with swords and boards.

>> No.56473784
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>>56473679
I know some people who use Crypt Horrors as Grots. Maybe use the ghouls for wracks. Use things like the Dark Elf Executioners helms on Kabal members to help tie the theme together.

Make some screaming skellys drive the venoms and raiders.

>> No.56473800

>>56473781
Not Ravenwing, fucking stupid brain, Raven Guard. Stupid Dark Angels taking names akin to other chapters.

>> No.56473805

>>56473782
Basically. And the CFs are probably now more Primaris than Normal.

>>56473679
Build Grotesques out of Wraithguard. Say they've taken them from a craftworld and bound them to their will with dark magitech

>> No.56473806

>>56473760
Blackshield with dual lightning claws, bolter boys w chainswords and boltguns (for softening targets before a charge) and one or two bikes. Sergeant takes a xenophase sword. Storm Shields are only 15 pts if you want to throw some of those in there. I can't really speak that much to the performance of heavy thunder hammers.

>> No.56473808

>>56473781
They're a pleasure to paint and build. Only two sprues, solid design, no canopy

>> No.56473822

Discord is down so now we have to shitpost here.

What are we angry about this week?

>> No.56473824

>>56473808
Dang, I might have to pick one up just for the sake of collecting it. Love how it looks to boot.

>> No.56473831

>>56473822
Cunts like you bringing Discord here.

>> No.56473839

>>56473374
Well what would you suggest is our worse unit?

>> No.56473846
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I want to homebrew an Iron Warriors Warband. What I had in mind, are a few elite Marine dudes and a bunch of cannon fodder humies, attached to as many artillery tanks as I can find.

I got the models built and stuff written out. My last issue, is the color scheme.

My original idea was to invert the original colors of the IWs, while keeping the Hazard Stripes, because they make me hard.

Those are the results via simulation. The golden scheme I call the Ore Barons, the black one Metal Corps. My internal turmoil:

>Ore Barons
+ unique scheme
+ looks pretty rad
- Gold looks weird in mass
- gold is fucking annoying to paint, especially in mass and full body

>Metal Corps
+ easy to paint
+ I like black
- looks very generic/boring/blacklegion without the hazard stripes
- hazard stripes don't look as good on a fully black background.

Which one should I take? Or scrap and try again?

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>>56473824
Here's an old picture of mine, kill-bro

>> No.56473858

what support systems should i take on a coldstar?

>> No.56473865

>>56473846
I'd play against the Ore Barons in a heartbeat

t. Sisters player who accidentally fluffed them as oil tycoons

>> No.56473883

>>56473858
Don't take a coldstar. That weapon output is awful. But if you MUST, I would say Targeting Array or whatever. Making the missile pod into AP -2 isn't bad and AP-1 HYBC is at least potentially useful.

>> No.56473897

>>56473846
Retributor armor gold spray. Reikland fleshshade, pick out the accent colors.

>> No.56473900

>>56473713
Tons of infantry and tanks. Minimal drones & gundams.

>> No.56473905

>>56473858
+1 ap,
4++ or re-roll 1s

>> No.56473911

>>56473846
Ore Barons look the coolest imo

>> No.56473916

>>56473855
Dang, it looks pretty damn sleek. Good job with the lenses and tempering effect on the canopy shutters.

>> No.56473917

>>56473883
>>56473905
but coldstar looks cool :o
anyway thanks for the info guys.

>> No.56473935

>>56473858
Depends on what you want to do with it?
Zooming around, Target Lock for accuracy.
All alone, Shield Gen for durability
Offence, ATS
Accuracy without MLs, Multitracker
Drone squad, kinda hard due to the movement differences but then DC

Wouldn't use a VT, CFDS on it

>> No.56473947

>>56473611
I love moments like that.

>Terminator Inquisitor gets shot by 40 Punisher shots
>Fail 4 saves
>Smite next turn for 3 damage
>Charge the Punisher
>He uses defensive gunners
>Fail 2 saves but use a command point to keep me alive
>Roll like fire for my attacks and wound 3 times with a Thunder Hammer
>He fails all 3
>Uses a command point and fails
>Inquisitor dies to a lasgun shortly after

She never does anything and is a huge point sink, but I was so happy to see her solo a tank.

>> No.56473963

>>56473865
>>56473911
And so they shall be barons. Time to fluff them out.

>>56473897
Will try that, thanks

>> No.56473999

Damn, the death watch master looks friggen awesome. I really haven't looked at the Deathwatch line since it first came out as a boxed game. Maybe I should collect a small force of them, fitting for Pacificus given some of the FFG aliens that got thrown into the area that are a danger to the Imperial holdings. Plus two nid hive fleets.

>> No.56474009

>>56473916
It's really easy to get his results on it. Have fun!

I got a fire raptor to go with it and want to add a second blackstars for a slick flyer wing. Does wanting only vanguard veterans and a jump watch captain for full airborne deathwatch make me a mad man?

>> No.56474028

>>56473999
A watch master and squad of terminators can easily go over 500 pts if you don't want to invest to deeply

>> No.56474047

>>56474028
Throw in a blackstar and that would be what 750 or so?

>> No.56474055

>genestealers
>gargoyles
>warriors
As a tyranid newfag, how the fuck do you make these things fit in the case? Even if you rip the dividers out to give them more space they end up being so wide I'm afraid closing the case will crush them.

>> No.56474082

Has any codex so far ADDED units or wargear options that weren't present in the index?

Besides Death Guard, I suppose

>> No.56474107

It's fucking criminal that they removed all the autarch weapon options in the dex

>be experienced warrior who has walked all paths
>use some fucking shitty glaive

>> No.56474113

>>56474055
MAGNETS

>> No.56474131

>>56474082

GK-GMNDK
IG-Vehicle upgrades
What I can recall

>> No.56474132

>>56474107
GW confirmed every single option in the index is still legal, using codex pricing, and iirc the Autarch even keeps the improved Path of Command

>> No.56474148

>>56474047
A watch master is 130
5 terminators, 3 with assault cannons, and all with powerfist + meltagun is 412
The corvus is 205 before any upgrades

>> No.56474151

>>56474132
Really? I thought you could take index options, but if you did, your autarch counts as an index autarch and gets the worse path

>> No.56474165

>>56470088
>Ynnari are balanced now!
>balanced
You're right, that's why Ynnari were rocking top 3 in all the tournaments.
Whew
Glad that's over
O wait, that was Girlyman lists and Chaos Soup. And they haven't been so much as touched by any nerfs. smfh

>> No.56474175

>>56474151
That's what we THOUGHT, until GW clarified. All Autarchs now get the good PoC regardless of loadout.

>> No.56474176

>>56474165
Sorry it's not 7th anymore

>> No.56474179

>>56474151
They have a flowchart now. Following an Autarch down it gives us "use the codex datasheet for the model, but use the Index wargear options. Then use the codex prices and stats for those options."

>> No.56474196

>>56474165
Glad you're upset.

>> No.56474201

>>56474175
>>56474179
Oh cool, does the same count for exarchs that lost weapons options?

>> No.56474206

>>56474201
Yes. Because the weapons don't have codex stats, use the Index version of the weapons

>> No.56474211

>>56474176
I don't really give a fuck about Ynnari. I just don't understand why they neutered an army nobody really cared about over fixing what is undoubtedly the biggest cancer lists of this edition.

>> No.56474213

>>56474113
>magnets
>magnitizing 20 gargoyles, 6 warriors and 16 genestealers
>you open your case and it's just a massive pile of bitz you have to put together before every game
>hope you dont lose one of those tiny arms!
Shit nigga, what are you doing?!

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>>56474165
Sorry you can't play BOTH player turns anymore, serial-masturbator-elf-senpai

>> No.56474219

>>56474201
Read the fucking chart. Designer's Commentary in the Warhammer Community FAQ section.

>> No.56474232

>>56474055
Well for a start you just don't use gargoyles because they're utter trash, then you shelve warriors for more effective units which only leaves you genestealers to worry about.

>> No.56474240

>>56474211
We'll see about chapter approved

>> No.56474241

>>56474215
See
>>56474211

>> No.56474242

>>56474165
Ynarri just started out as 7th Eldar but even more broken

>> No.56474248

>>56474206
Cool, that's my worries for the dex alleviated.

>> No.56474259

Does anyone know of a list of all the Imperial Fists successor chapters? Can't find anything on the wikis.

>> No.56474266

>>56474082
Tyranids.

>> No.56474267

>>56474242
And girlyman is worth twice his points

>> No.56474276

>>56474165
Uhh. They actually were top 3 in most events dude. Did you pay attention to ITC finishes? Hell they just won the Blood and Glory UK event GW was promoting.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/06/blood-glory-the-round-up-and-the-winning-lists-nov-6gw-homepage-post-1/

>> No.56474294

>>56474259
Astral Knights, Black Templars, Celestial Lions, Crimson Axes, Crimson Fists, Crusaders of Dorn, Death Strike, Doom Fists, Emperor's Warbringers, Excoriators, Executioners, Fire Lords, Fists Exemplar, Fists of Wrath , Hammers of Dorn, Invaders, Iron Champions, Iron Knights, Knights of Dorn, Night Swords, Sons of Dorn, Sons of the Phoenix, Soul Drinkers, Subjugators, Venom Thorns, White Templars, Red Templars

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Fists that's the best I can find, from there you have to check each one for their successors. Or as said "Known Descendants"

>> No.56474295

wraithguard or wraith blades?

>> No.56474298

>>56474294
Thanks friend

>> No.56474300

>Three Imperial Navy warships were destroyed in orbit, crashing into the Fang and causing it greater damage than it even sustained in the Thousand Sons invasion millennia earlier.
thousand sons BTFO by 3 destroyed spaceships

>> No.56474311
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Why does StrikingScorpion82 look like Sid from ice age?

>> No.56474316

>>56474211
they're still pretty strong desu just not as ridiculous as they were before. I don't think Primarchs are going to be reviewed for a while

>> No.56474323

>>56474082
Nids.

>> No.56474325

>>56474298
No problem.

>> No.56474332

>>56474215
>serial-masturbator-
How did you know?!

>> No.56474334

>>56474213
Man, you are dumb.
>buy tackle box
>use it to sort all the arms basd upon what they are, so box for bonswords, box for deathspitters, box for rending claws and so on
>have no problems finding what you want

>> No.56474336

>>56474267
>>why is x being nerfed when y is also OP?
they probably intend to just adjust his cost, which is more chapter approved than errata.

>> No.56474361

>>56474311
lmao I've never seen him before
he's still /ourguy/ though

>> No.56474372

>>56471480
I wish that 3 SC boxes of Khorne Daemons made a good core. Sadly you are left with either 1 herald on a bloodthrone and 2 skull cannons or 3 heralds and both of those ideas just seems futile.

>> No.56474377

>>56474211
>neutered
>still get free shooting and fighting for killing
>now they just don't get it for the enemy doing well as well
the absolute state of "totally don't play the army that just got nerfed for real guys" fags

>> No.56474398

Guys would I be called gay for doing my craftworld in the Altansar scheme?

>> No.56474424

>>56474311
Better than Reece. Reece looks like a guy who was supposed to be a midget/legally recognized dwarf.

>> No.56474425

>>56474332
A magician never reveals his secrets, anon

>> No.56474431

>>56474361
Why? I don't get the appeal.

>> No.56474434

>>56474377
they're far from gay. they aren't as Path or craftworld politics cucked as the rest

>> No.56474441

>>56474398
You play with tiny plasticmen, you are already a faggot. Stop caring and embrace it.

>> No.56474444

>>56474434
meant for >>56474398

>> No.56474474

>>56474459
>>56474459
>>56474459
New

>> No.56474489

>>56474131
Wish they had more vehicle wargear for us. Tripping out our vehicles was always fun.I would love a mine flail or an ablative/spaced armor package or all kinds of other super situational shit.

>> No.56474532
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56474532

>>56470766
>Wayne Reynolds
Noooooooope

>> No.56474602

>>56472270
Just convert her into an inquisitor.

>> No.56474612

>>56470915
CCON has decent casts. My issue with them is that they use two kinds of resin: nice gray resin similar to FW, and then yellowy brittle dense resin that they used like five years ago when I first found them. The yellow resin is fucking garbage, it's brittle and smells like cancer. Which resin any given piece is cast in is a roulette, roughly a 90/10 mix of gray and yellow.

>> No.56474763

>>56470233
She literally just made penis jokes and giggled the whole time whenever I made reference to "inches".

>> No.56474968

>>56474311
He looks like Sting got hit upside the face with a board.

>> No.56475315

What carnifex is best for kraken?

>> No.56475819

>>56470088

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Adeptus_Ministorum(8E)

Just purged the page from a lot of it's paraphrasing of the index and wanking on stormbolters/flamers/other useless shit.

Any anon can provide more insights ?

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