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My DM yelled at me for trying to set up a concentration camp for elf's in kingmaker :c

>> No.56186003

>> No.56186030

>>56185980
What was your justification?

>> No.56186048

>>56185980

>> No.56186079

>>56185980
You deserved it. You also deserve to be kicked from his game.

>> No.56186199

>>56186079
This

>> No.56186233

Based

>> No.56186245

>>56185980
Could you give us a bit more information

>> No.56186246

>>56185980
What the fuck is Kingmaker?

>> No.56186258

>> No.56186272 [SPOILER] 

>>56186079
I wonder who's behind this post

>> No.56186275

>>56186246
An adventure series for Pathfinder and one that is being remade into a CRPG by some Russian company.

>> No.56186285

Sounds more like you were trying to set up a magical realm, you got what you deserved

>> No.56186286

>>56185980
Did you have an effective reason beyond edginess?
Was it explained as "A concentration camp" or did you use other terms?
Exactly how common are elves on your particular lands? I'm not familiar with the Riverlands setting.

>> No.56186298

>>56185980
Oh, I love it when people try to do things like that.

It makes it all the better when the uprising begins and the players get their kingdoms absolutely ravaged by druids, wizards, and arcane archers from hell.

>> No.56186307

>>56186030
I was going for a Hitler crossed with a captain of industry thing with the city building part of the game, so my plan was to blame everything that went wrong on "Those Knife eared forest folk holding back progress", after that I wanted to start gathering up elves and force them to help build expansions for the city and work in the mines plus any other Jobs too dangerous for people.

Also I really fucking hate elfs

Pic unrelated

>> No.56186312

>>56186079
t. EIDF

>> No.56186328

>>56185980
That's what you get for playing with millennials

>> No.56186344

>>56185980
Shit that never happened.

>> No.56186349

>>56186307
>I hate elves and can't stop being an edgy faggot about it

>> No.56186363

>>56186286
Not that many actually. Its more humans and fishpeople.

>> No.56186376

>>56186349
Can't a man have dreams and aspirations without everyone trying to keep him down?

>> No.56186378

>>56186307
>i hate elves
This is such a fucking stale meme.

>> No.56186383

>>56186275
>pathfinder
Ugh

>> No.56186408

>>56186376
If I can't have my dream of my character having a happy family after the adventure because my DM is an edgy faggot that likes bittersweet endings, then you can't either. Suffer.

>> No.56186427

>>56186408
show me on the diagram where the shitty GM touched you

>> No.56186437

>>56185980
Trying to turn a game into your magical realm is usually grounds for ejection.

>> No.56186474

good to see that Marcel is still a fucking cringy edgelord that ruins every game he participates in with his unchecked autism (your brother is not the only one)
I guess that what happens if you still live at your parents house with 30 and without a job and no perspective of ever getting laid.

>> No.56186484

>>56186437
>ethnic cleansing
>magical realm
i think you know not of what you speak

>> No.56186673

>>56186307
>holding back progress
I guess that kinda makes sense. Blame the old race that lives in the forests and refuses to join in city building and the affairs of "civilized" folk. I guess the issue is that they aren't actually holding anyone back unless they attack your lumberjacks and foresters. If they keep to themselves, who cares? If they are attacking you, kill them. Trying to enslave them all at once is dreadfully impractical.

>> No.56186707

>>56185980
Good one, while I do not approve of your anti elf stance, this did make me laugh.

>> No.56186763

>>56186484
>he's never heard of gorn
>he's never heard of nazisploitation porn
>he's never seen that one weird as fuck Lovecraft visual novel where a bunch of demons hatch from the bodies of dead jews in a Nazi death camp and start fucking each other
Stay new, kiddu.

>> No.56186794

>>56186673
This is basically the orcs from Warcrafts excuse. Orcs need lumber. Go to elf lands and cut trees. Elves try and stop deforestation. Orcs need to build to not dis in their desert wasteland of a homeland. Now if only their leader had picked a nice lush place instead of a badlands to punish his people for their past sins maybe orcs would be more chill.

>> No.56186826

>>56186763
That doesn't make any sense though. You're saying that because something HAS porn, that introducing that thing is introducing magical realm. If that's the case, literally EVERYTHING is magical realm.

>> No.56186854

>>56186763
>subject A exists
>there is tangent subject B which is magical realm
>therefore A is magical realm

>> No.56186857

>>56185980
i wish i knew the artist
gis only gives the infinite "elf slave wat do" threads

>> No.56186858

dwarf faggots have to be the most insufferable people on the planet. They are literally one dimension, that dimension being that they hate elves, and nothing else. I would rather play in a party of all human fighters than a dwarf.

>> No.56186861

>>56186484
You really think elf forced labor and extermination isn't somebody's magical realm?

>> No.56186862

>>56186079
this

>> No.56186882

>>56186484
Elf hate stuff is pretty much always fetishistic and sexual to some extent.

>> No.56186929

Had he said 'kender concentration camp' you would be cheering him.

>> No.56186932

Pussy, just wage war on the fey.

>> No.56186954

>>56186882
>elf hate stuff is pretty much always fetishistic and sexual
ok what about elf love? is that purely platonic?
by your logic or lack thereof anything within the general orbit of the subject of knife ears is inherently sexual. says more about you than it does about OP

for some of us, elf hate is purely hygienic

>> No.56186977

>>56185980
But why would you want to play as reverse Hitler? What's the fun of selecting only the untermensch?

>> No.56186983

>>56186307
That is kinda a shit justification given how many races in fantasy rpg's are forest dwelling.
On top of that if your justification for throwing them into camps is to use them as slaves that is also a shit reason. The biggest problem is the fact they have a longer life span than most races, which means a longer memory.
As a GM probably wouldn't have yelled at you, but that move would have bit you in the ass hard.
Like you seem to have only a basic understanding of pre-WWII europe.
Just sort of doing it for the sake of doing it is not only stupid, but can tremendously backfire.
There are numerous examples of nations who have tried that shit and ended up in a constant state of civil war because of it.

>> No.56187005

>>56186983
>Like you seem to have only a basic understanding of pre-WWII europe.
Like most edgelords from r/TheDonald?

>> No.56187012

>>56186954

Thinking elves are interesting is normal. Thinking elves are not interesting is also normal.

Having an extreme reaction to them is weird. They're a made-up species, characterized by being somewhat graceful and effeminate. Loving them is a little embarrassing. Hating them is kinda fucked up. And wanting to force concentration camps and slavery into a game makes you That Guy.

>> No.56187091

>>56187012
>thinking elves are interesting is normal for baby's first fantasy
>thinking elves are uninteresting is normal for baby's second fantasy
>having an extreme reaction of exasperated hatred is normal for anyone who has had to deal with "My setting has elves, but their DIFFERENT" from every writer, game developer, and shitty unoriginal GM over the past several decades
>wanting to expunge disgusting filth makes you this guy
ftfy

>> No.56187264

>>56187091
>le blam
>le look le how le funny le I le am

>> No.56187271

>>56186954
>ok what about elf love? is that purely platonic?

People who like elves can like them for sexual or platonic reasons.

Elf hate, especially the kind that pops up on this board, is almost always based in a fetishistic dominance fantasy. As such it's almost always magical realm material when shoved to the forefront of a game in the way OP intended.

>> No.56187274

>>56187005
Pretty much, a lot of people forget that Hitler didn't single out anyone race for his camps. If you were not White, Straight, Christian, and not retarded. You would have been sent to the camps. The reason why Jews are so fresh in peoples mind is because his rhetoric would often single them out and Germany had a larger population of them than other minorities.
And Hitler was only able to do what he did, because of huge outside factors both historical and economic.
If OP wanted to actually recreate a authoritarian race based regime, he should have at least started a couple wars with elvish factions or persecuted them for a couple of centuries. Now he just looks like a edgy kid who thinks he understands world history, but only cherry picks what he learned from the latest call of duty.

>> No.56187277

>>56187091
Reminder that Emps gave the greenlight for bringing Eldar into the Imperium forces as allies and Gillyman is currently taking away the powers of the Inquisition.

>> No.56187333

>>56186048
Source?

>> No.56187354

Funny, I got yelled at in our kingmaker game for making a giant wizard tower, panopticon style to spy on everyone in the city and kill criminals from afar with the help of a giant aether lens array.

>> No.56187362

>>56187274
Putting on simpler words: No one would say "OP did nothing wrong" on posterior years in the setting

>> No.56187365

>>56187274
Hitler also didn't jump straight to camps. There were a long line of legislative restrictions and rights removal before anything seriously drastic happened. iirc, it started with simply singling out jews and others, then they started chipping away at things like gun rights, freedom of travel, special increased tax rates, seizure of assets, and a bunch of other relatively small measures.

>> No.56187417

>>56187333
One-Man Mercenary Army

>> No.56187468

>>56187091
ebin have an upboat XD

>> No.56187475

>>56187005
You know you need to go back.

>> No.56187514

>>56187475
That's a very ironic thing for a reddit transplant to say. You weren't even here before 2008, were you?

>> No.56187593

>>56186349
Ayy this. If this had actually happened, OP would probably be at fault for trying to be an edgy tryhard faggot.
If he didn't know the other people playing, he should have known that being a goddamned Nazi isn't socially acceptable and jokes that boil down to murdering someone's (great?) grandparents are bound to be taken personally.
If you did know the group then either they would have known you were kidding and you would have known if it was going to be taken well.

Don't know what you expected to happen. Learn to read a room you autistic loser.

>> No.56187612

>>56186932
Fuck that, no half measures! We take the fight to Poseidon himself! Everyone, start stabbing the ocean!

>> No.56187633

>>56185980
>playing with an Elf DM

>> No.56187698

>>56187633
OK I laughed

>> No.56187791

>>56186977
>702x439
>hd-wallpaper

>> No.56187819

>>56186826
>>56186854
>just because elf traps in chainmail bikinis are SOMETIMES fapbait, doesn't mean they always are xD
Yeah, nice argument kids. Don't think I don't notice you pervs forcing your shit into our games. And don't think I and the other players don't laugh at you behind your backs.

>> No.56187852

>>56187274
>White
Blacks weren't sent to the camps, some served in the wermacht, SA and SS.

>> No.56187872

>>56187365
>then they started chipping away at things like gun rights, freedom of travel, special increased tax rates, seizure of assets, and a bunch of other relatively small measures.
Well, for those groups anyway, Hitler made it much easier for the regular German to buy a gun.

>> No.56187879

>>56187819
What the fuck are you even talking about? The thing in question is concentration camps, not elves.

Is people forcing concentration camps into your game in some kind of fetishy manner a common occurrence for you?

>> No.56187893

>>56187791
Don't look at me. I'm phoneposting

>> No.56187928

>>56187879
I think it's abundantly clear by now that the aforementioned impossibility is quite the reverse.

>> No.56187982

>pathfinder players

>> No.56187992

>>56187852
....as forced labor.

>> No.56188008

>>56187928
literally what did he mean by this

>> No.56188050

>>56188008
I mean the opposite of what you said it is true.

>> No.56188056

>>56187872
Hitler Youth members got free guns and learned how to use them too.

>> No.56188116

>>56188050
The only statements that were made were statements ABOUT statements to the posts that were being responded to that inherently do not have opposites since they made no binary assertions, and thus do not have opposites. I suggest enrolling in a course on critical reading and logical reasoning.

>> No.56188197

>>56188116
"Whenever a player plays a spell that counters a spell that has been played or a player plays a spell that comes into play with counters, that player may counter the next spell played or put an additional counter on a permanent that has already been played, but not countered."

>> No.56188544

>>56188116
Tickle my fuckwhistle, nerdicle.

>> No.56188607

>>56187992
All military actions are "forced labor. "

>> No.56190220

>>56187633
Kek

>> No.56190454

>>56186298
>I punish players for not doing what I like

>> No.56190491

>>56188056
Before being thrown in front of the advancing 3rd Shock Army and told to die for the Fatherland while their glorious leader got high on meth in his bunker and fucked about marrying his waifu.

>> No.56190496

>>56187091
May I post this on /r/4chan, my good sir?

>> No.56190777

>>56186298
yassss queen slay!
Rocks fall on fascist!

>> No.56190862

>>56186858
Tbh, my chaotic neutral dwarf I am currently playing is probably my favorite character of all time. I built her as the party face and she's completely insane. It's a nice combination, desu.

I think my players favorite game is the one I ran where I forced them to all be MHF, with random stats prerolled. I tossed the sheets on the table face down and told everyone to grab one and fill in the blanks (weapons, feats, names, etc...).

The bitching was astronomical, but it turned out to be one of their favorite games in the end.

>> No.56191039

>>56186307
Well, that's settled then; OP is a faggot.

>> No.56191228

>>56186427
Has anyone run a game in Clichea?

>> No.56191292

>Start wars
>Divide humanity
>Enforce regressive ideas by being all "muh nature" to humans despite having grand cities themselves and needing to FUCKING CUT DOWN TREES FOR THEIR BOWS AND ARROWS WHICH THEY USE TO KILL ANIMALS TO COLLECT THEIR SKIN AND MEAT
>Racemix with humans, allowing for half elf sleeper agents to subvert the institutions of human society
>Some humans call (((them))) out and cleanse their society so it can be by the people, of the people and for the people once more
>"OY VEY WHY DO THEY PERSECUTE ME SO?! IT'S LIKE ANUDDA INQUISITION, DOSE BASTIDS!"
Fuck off knife ear.

>> No.56191356

>>56191292
>Start wars
Ape, we end wars
>Divide humanity
Like we need to do something for this
>Enforce regressive ideas by being all "muh nature" to humans despite having grand cities themselves and needing to FUCKING CUT DOWN TREES FOR THEIR BOWS AND ARROWS WHICH THEY USE TO KILL ANIMALS TO COLLECT THEIR SKIN AND MEAT
t. (((Dwarf))) Fortress "Elves" who don't give a fuck about eating meat, like most elves(something they got right)
>Racemix with humans, allowing for half elf sleeper agents to subvert the institutions of human society
Mongrels wish this was true

Fuck off spoon ear, or should I say Urist Goldforgestein

>> No.56191518

>>56191292
>cutting down trees for their bows
>not growing arrows on arrow-tree
>scratch that, not growing creatures for slaughter in vats
Fucking monkeys
>b-but muh iron
>muh industry
Fucking monkeys.

>> No.56191602

>>56186484
Virt proves that elf murder can be extremely magical realm.

>> No.56191661

>>56186307
Before setting up concentration camps you have to do years of prep work to turn the people of the land (good races) against dark elves and dark elf infiltrators (or so-called "surface elves, TOTALLY not bleached drow" (bad race)).

>> No.56191710

>>56186286
>Did you have an effective reason beyond edginess?
Making a meme thread.

>> No.56191743

>>56185980
you did nothing wrong

>> No.56191754

>> No.56191790

>>56186854
Let's not be disingenuous. OP's pic is extremely magical realm and choosing to post the thread with that pic means people are going to call magical realm.

>> No.56191834

>Dare you enter my political realm???

>> No.56191885

>>56185980

What's the issue here? Concentration camps are a tactic for dealing with containment of troublesome peoples/guerillas, they were (as far as I know) first put to use by the British in the Boer war, the Spanish used similar solutions in Cuba before the Spanish american war, the Americans dabbled in the same thing during the Vietnam war (the 'relocated villages'), and of course Hitler famously used them to try to rid his people of friendly merchants.

Sounds like you are playing with a lefty group that will go into emotional hyperdrive the moment someone does or says something badwrong.

Now if you actually went all out in the vein of "Jaa, ze elves vill have small yellow fabric 'ears' on their prison uniform, and zey will get a magical tattoo on their arm, now ver ist Josephus Mengelius?", then I could understand taking issue a bit more, but a normal sensible guy would just chuckle at the silliness and go 'Ok, that's dumb, knock it off'.

>> No.56191898

>>56191885
>What's the issue here? Concentration camps are a tactic for dealing with containment of troublesome peoples/guerillas

From my understanding of Kingmaker elves are not actually any trouble in the campaign. So this guy wold have had to go out of his way to do so without provocation. That's just inefficient/pointless.

>> No.56191911

>>56186861

You really think posting on 4chan isn't somebodys magical ralm? Everyone stop posting immediately!

>> No.56191922

>>56187274

Let's not forget the communist-jewish uprising that killed a lot of people pretty recently at that time. They had some reasons for singling out jews.

>> No.56191931

>>56185980
> :c
You're a sack of shit and need to go away.

>> No.56191946

>>56191898

How do you know that they aren't in OPs campaign? Perhaps in his campaign the elves banded together and started doing shit.

>> No.56192017

>>56190454
Why wouldn't the setting react to player actions? If a murderhobo tries to kill a merchant, the town guard hacks his ass to pieces. If he tries to kill an entire race, of course entire nations are gonna rise against him.

And then the lich probably takes over the world because the player was busy fucking about doing something completely irrelevant.

>> No.56192024

>>56191946

Because Kingmaker is an adventure path, with a set structure. Unless you went so far off the rails as to make them a threat, elves wouldn't be one.

>> No.56192098

>>56192017

What if no-one actually likes the race, or if no-one cares enough to actually put up a rebellion about it? Genocides are a dime a dozen in history, and many (most?) times they were just done and over with without a 'righteous moral punishment' for the perpetrators afterwards. It's just a thing people do sometimes.

>> No.56192102

>>56192098
>What if no-one actually likes the race, or if no-one cares enough to actually put up a rebellion about it?

Yeah but that doesn't really describe Pathfinder Elves.

>> No.56192106

>>56192024

The 'golden rule' in nearly all roleplaying games is that if you don't like something, take it out and change it, and also that the GM is the ultimate authority. You know nothing about what the elves have done in OPs campaign.

>> No.56192112

>>56192102

How do you know? Are you OPs GM?

>> No.56192122

>>56192106
>The 'golden rule' in nearly all roleplaying games is that if you don't like something, take it out and change it, and also that the GM is the ultimate authority.

Well, so far the GM is yelling at OP.

>> No.56192129

>>56192106
>>56192112
He yelled at the OP, so the OP is probably a retard. Judging by the pic and the thread, he might really be.

>> No.56192136

>>56192098
Hey man, if that's the setting you GM in then you do you. Good luck finding players for it.

As a player, though, you don't get to decide that an entire race is disliked just because you yourself have autistic hang-ups about them.

>> No.56192182

>>56192122
>>56192129

Possibly, but let's not jump to conclusions. My take on OPs story was that the GM got super assblasted just because of 'concentration camps', but I guess neither of us have enough of the story to know for sure.

OP, explain further.

>>56192136

What's wrong with a realistic setting? Motivations and actions can be realistic even if races and equipment aren't.

And doesn't that purely depend on how much clout and power the PC in question has, and whether or not there is a general dislike of the race in question?

>> No.56192207

>>56192136
This is bothering me when reading shit like this on the /tg/. If there is a group of players and a GM that all hate elves and they spend entire campaign shitting on a fictional race, fine, it's their fun. But what if I'm joining this group as the new guy, showing up with my elf character that I wanted to play for whatever reason. Am I that guy or is it that group? Even if I would change that character it probably would still be uncomfortable, or at worst the depiction of a race I like by the GM would make me rage and leave the table.

>> No.56192211

Do you guys actually think this really happened? The OP probably just wanted to create an elf hate thread and I, an elfposter, totally approve it since I get to have a little banter with the anti-elf guys(who are pretty easy to BTFO, step up your game fags)

>> No.56192222

>>56192182
>but I guess neither of us have enough of the story to know for sure
Or this actually never happened and OP just wanted to make an elf slav wat do thread.
>What's wrong with a realistic setting?
There is nothing inherently realistic about wanting to genocide an entire non-evil race.

>> No.56192248

>>56192182
>What's wrong with a realistic setting?
Anon, you're missing the point. OP's DM was running a setting where elves weren't disliked (or at least, not disliked enough for people to condone genocide). That's literally all that matters here, because we're not discussing "is elf hate realistic", but "is OP a fucking moron". Which he is.

>>56192207
In that case the one at fault would be the GM, for not helping a new player create a character that would fit into the setting. You're only that guy if you knew about it beforehand and intentionally went with an elf to piss the other guys off.

>> No.56192256

>>56192207
To me, makes them That Group. I'd go find somewhere else to play if you can.

>> No.56192271

>>56192207

If you can't adapt to the group then you are in the wrong. They want to play a kill-all-elves campaign, you are a just a newcomer and in the clear minority. Accept that it's just a game and go kill some elves, who cares. Elves actually do not exist so you do not need to defend them.

>>56192222

What is unrealistic about wanting to genocide a race? Are you victim blaming all real genocide victims by saying that they deserved it?

>> No.56192280

>>56192248
`
Again, that is pure conjecture, you have no idea of what went on in OPs setting.

>> No.56192283

>>56186763
>that one weird as fuck Lovecraft visual novel where a bunch of demons hatch from the bodies of dead jews in a Nazi death camp and start fucking each other
Sauce?

>> No.56192305

Guys, theres no OP's setting, double dubs and quads confirm
>>56192211
>>56192222

>> No.56192329

>>56192280
No, anon, we do. 'Cause they were running Kingmaker. Which is an established adventure. In an established setting. In which elves aren't hated to the point of genocide.

>> No.56192334

>>56187091

LE REDDIT
LE BLAMM XENOS
XD
XD FOR THE EMPEROR OwO :)

>> No.56192347

>>56192271
>Are you victim blaming all real genocide victims by saying that they deserved it?

>> No.56192352

>>56191292
> Divide humanity
Explain Earth

>> No.56192373

>>56192207

That Group. It's def That Group.

>> No.56192374

>>56186048
>Elf academy series will never be translated

>> No.56192392

>>56192352
That is not based on any setting or something you can read it. Elf-haters are notorious for blaming elves that never existed or cherrypicking specific traits from various settings and mashing them together to a contradictionary creature.

He should have put the elf = jew comparison at the beginning so that everyone could have stopped reading right there.

>> No.56192403

Why do we never have orc slave wat do threads? There's a race far more deserving of oppression and servitude yet they go completely unmolested.

>> No.56192407

>>56186307
>I was going for a Hitler
Then do it properly and kill yourself.

>> No.56192412

>>56192403
Because Orcs get genocided anon

>> No.56192431

>>56192403
Fuckin weird sideways posting

>> No.56192442

>>56192403
Make it fapbait for maximum success.

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