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If you had to create an evil pantheon, what would your primary divisions of aspects be? For example:


Do you have overlap between deities, or do you try to separate them completely?

>> No.56181229

I wouldn't have elements as separate dieties. That leaves them as a bit one-note and pidgeonholes things. If anything, it'd be better to allocate thoee to other gods in the pantheon to help round them out instead.

>> No.56181255

Shouldn't they represent sins?

>> No.56181277


>> No.56181366

One for each of the deadly sins.

>> No.56181376

I generally feel that the 'evil' pantheon should be relatively unified in theme and not be associated too much with entirely specific stuff. Also, they should be ancient and mysterious, and not wholly understood, and having very precise domains for each one sort of mitigates that.

My go-to evil pantheon are the monstrous children of the original monster. They're associated with hunger, madness, mutation, and ruin. Their servants have a reptilian/amphibian feel generally and they themselves are numerous and often conflated erroneously by theologians who don't fully understand the setting's cosmology, viewing it from the ground up as they do. They have personalities of a sort but they're not human in the least and all they really want is to have dominion over the Earth again. They're not the type of gods you can really talk to.

>> No.56181379

This is anything but evil. Fire ascended us from beasts into civilization.
Keeps you cool when Sun-Jerk is going crazy. Plus ice cream is fucking delicious.
You mean the best element, and foundation of our nervous system? Sounds pretty boss.
That thing that taught us how to cook our food, opening our minds to an endless universe of flavor? That taught us to bathe and create perfume so we could more easily get some?
Literally the most useful sense available to us, even more than vision. Not being able to determine if an action is bad or good would be pretty fucking awful. It'd be like spending millions on a high-tech facility and not hiring any security guards.
That thing that lets us sleep, helps plants grow, and keeps Sun-Jerk from blasting our cities into nothingness? Again, a boss dudebro.

Sounds like you made a good pantheon to me, anon.

>> No.56181397

The vice of the hopeless.
The illusion of the enslaved.
The reason there are monsters.

>> No.56181463

>evil pantheon

Greed focuses on accumulating material belongings. Excess focuses on pushing experiences to dangerous and addictive levels. Hatred is all about channeling negative feelings into destructive and sadistic acts. Death is about both destroying life and existing without passion or love.

>> No.56181502

My current main eveil gods that I've worked out the details of are one of the abyss, shadows, and ocean serving as a sort of trickster, and a more typical archfiend with a legion of war demons who is all about fire and betrayal.

I dont mind,overlap, but Im also not too focused on filling out some sort of grid with them.

>> No.56181529


And then make a goddess of fertility that pretends to be some other kind goddess, and thus creates armies of fast multiplying cultists....or you know make some guys magical realm into horror

>> No.56181555

I would make it like any fucking pantheon
- God of rulership
- God of craftsmen
- Trickster god
- God of Paternity
- Goddess of Maternity
- God/ess of Death
- God/ess of Fertility and Farming
- God/ess of the Hunt
- Divinities representing the cycle of seasons

But evil because for some reason I'm now a retarded DM who makes "eeeeeevil" an inherent cultural trait

>> No.56181575


It's all up to you. Make a malevolent pantheon however you'd prefer. I'm interested in seeing how people think with this.

>> No.56181591


Those are just examples, not anything I'm actually using.

>> No.56181607


>But evil because for some reason I'm now a retarded DM who makes "eeeeeevil" an inherent cultural trait

Are you okay? Seems a bit excessive.

>> No.56181629


Interesting. Which kind of chaos are you going for? Classical, where it just means an abyss, or modern, where it's mayhem? How would you separate that from Destruction and Terror, for instance?

>> No.56181666

I'd make a good an an evil one.
The good would be:
God of Hope and Truth
God of Kindness and Charity
God of Virtue and Justice
And so naturally the evil would oppose this, as:
God of Hopelessness and Deception
God of Selfishness and Cruelty
God of Injustice and Weakness.
The Gods don't represent elements, as each one is capable of anything any of the rest are. Instead, they are distinguished by what they advocate for.

>> No.56181668

That wasn't really my point, though. Any seemingly evil thing can also be a good thing, and any seemingly good thing can also be an evil thing. Construct your deities to simply be deities, and let the mortals form their own churches based on their own baggage.

Making an "evil pantheon" is kinda silly.

>> No.56181671


So more of a focus on human behaviour (possibly fuelling the deity?). I'm guessing you can just take other immoral actions (like paedophilia) and fit it into something like Excess?

>> No.56181693


>Making an "evil pantheon" is kinda silly.

Not if you're going for a dichotomy setting. Or a "grim dark" like 40k.

Come on, flex some creativity. You don't need to stick to your established beliefs on this.

>> No.56181734


Sort of like a deep-sea Loki (or like Dagon?), and a straight up Devil. I like that they both just oppose one another.

>> No.56181757


Hangover monstrosities from pre-history sort of vibe? I think the Buffyverse went with something along those lines, but yours has more of a Lovecraft touch to it.

>> No.56181780

If he's the god of justice, why would he care about anything other than justice? If capital-g Good was his deal, wouldn't he be the God of Good?

All of the real-life pantheons are endlessly messy. Gods ally with each other as convenient, betray each other endlessly, and generally act like a superpowered family. Forcing everyone into "no goods allowed" or "no bads allowed" camps dramatically reduces what you can do with them. It's the opposite of being uncreative.

Even if you really want a dichotomy in your setting, it's better to have one with fuzzy edges rather than hard ones.

>> No.56181783


Dem trips tho.

Mirroring pantheons are interesting. It sort of carries the suggestion that maybe their opposites are connected to them in some way.

>> No.56181799


You're literally free to make an evil pantheon however you like, fuzzy edges or no. Go for it!

>> No.56181830

Well, in the games I'm cribbing this from, mainly "mayhem". Sowing paranoia and discord to disrupt social order, and making people go crazy.

Really the most distinct of the four, actually. Destruction and Terror actually have a lot more in common in their MO. Death would be similar to those two as well, conceptually, but has her own unique twist unrelated to the domain itself.

>> No.56181880


Ooooh, more on Death, please. I like a deity that stands out from its peers for an unexpected reason.

Now that I think about it, they sort of have a Four Horsemen feel to them, since a couple of those often shared some similarities (I think some variations have both Conquest and War, which never really made much sense to me, though).

>> No.56181916

God of Change and Chance

>> No.56181926

Yeah, that's the idea. I much prefer that to traditional evil gods, mostly because few mythologies had evil pantheons. Most had big antagonistic monsters and maybe one evil god with lots of evil children. Evil pantheons in the "bad dodekatheon" or "spooky ennead" vein don't feel quite right. Not!Typhon and his progeny feels far less contrived IMO.

IIRC Buffy actually did chuck a bit of Lovecraft in, though maybe in a more Howardesque way. Or maybe I just associate that automatically with this sort of thing.

>> No.56181935

Shameless shill ahead.

The only "god" that's in the setting I use for the homebrew D&D campaign I run is benign and cosmic. All aspects of life and death (positive, negative energies, life, death, elements, light, and dark) all come from the same place.

There are no divine spells or magics, instead using a system where one's beliefs and convictions manifest in reality, rather than channeling the power of creation that only some can access.

>> No.56181952

I use the seven deadly sins

>> No.56181973

Deep Darkness
Old Age
River of souls

>> No.56181978

Lord of Lies and Deceit
Lady of Bad Luck and Misfortune
Sea Lord of the Hungering Abyss (Greed and Selfishness, Pirate Lord)
War Lord of Ashen Fury (Fire and Blood, sacrifices made in wanton slaughter and scorching pillage)
King of Tyrants (Pride and Vanity made manifest into the ruling class, where the commoners are but stepping stones to greater glory)
The Withering Manifest (Necromancy and the restless dead, foul spirits that seek to devour life wholesale to sate a terrible hunger that will never be satisfied)

>> No.56181983


>because few mythologies had evil pantheons

I suppose it's difficult to get people to worship you if you're constantly horrible to them. I don't know how Zeus ever managed to keep a foothold.

>Not!Typhon and his progeny feels far less contrived IMO.

Yeah, Tiamat's like that as well. Come to think of it, she only made monsters to fight her own god offspring.

>> No.56182014


That's a hell of a lot of primaries. Looks like a mix of Titans and a few lower level Olympians. I can't help but look at the last one and think he's busy mowing down his own constantly regenerating demonic horde with a BFG.

>> No.56182043


Smells like Adonai. Are you a sneaky Christian, by any chance?

>> No.56182050
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An evil god of dreams sounds super fucking interesting, like some eldritch thing from beyond.

>> No.56182083


>The Withering Manifest

I like that. Has a hint of Dark Souls meets The Night Land to it.

>> No.56182084


How about those?

>> No.56182096


One knocks you out and then watches while the other fucks your brain.

>> No.56182102

Well, Zeus had positive aspects as well as negative. He was considered a paragon of law and dispenser of justice, and overall the keeper of cosmic order in the universe. There are stories of his benevolence, people just tend to forget about them and play up the saucier stuff, because that material is more fun to work with. Same goes for Hera, Hades, Athena, Dionysus etc. Ares and Poseidon are probably the only unmitigated assholes in the pantheon, and that's only because so much of our Hellenistic sources are Athenian, and those deities were the patrons of rival states.

>Yeah, Tiamat's like that as well. Come to think of it, she only made monsters to fight her own god offspring.

Indeed, there's rarely an antagonistic force - even among the 'supermonster' type - in these sorts of mythologies that is truly elementally evil in the sense we understand it based on our Judeo-Christian values. That's where my take probably differs the most from ancient mythology; these ancient gods will bring all life that isn't them or their spawn to ruin if awoken. Also I do tend to have an ultimate 'good' force that opposes them and makes them evil by juxtaposition, which I guess is muh Catholic heritage peeking through.

>> No.56182133


Not even Zeus can question Doom (Moros) for questioning him would be to re-introduce Chaos to the world. It is one of the reasons why once Zeus has made a decree or a promise, he cannot change it or break it.

>> No.56182143

I'm Quaker, but I'm incredibly adverse to inserting one's own religious beliefs into the things they write. That's why this entity acts more as a "cosmic architect" than a God.

But I suppose any idea that exists in world-building is inspired by something irl.

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>> No.56182245


I try to picture what the deity might look like:

Apathy - a hooded, faceless entity
Hopelessness - something that whispers to people and only ever appears as a bloody pair of hands passing a blade to a suicidal person
Shame - its face is always hidden, or it is obscured by a fog/aura
Hatred - not!Khorne
Vanity - not!Slaanesh
Misfortune - not sure
Ruthlessness - not sure
Solitude - always seen from a distance, or from the corner of the eye, but can never be approached
Madness - a jester
Bloodlust - like a beefy vampire
Greed - a bloated banker-type
Carelessness - not sure
Cowardice - not sure (maybe they've never been seen, but the only evidence they exist is the remnants of their actions?)
Weakness - a frail old woman on her death bed

So 3 or 4 of those I can't picture, but somebody else might have an interesting twist on it.

>> No.56182275

Solitude doesn't really seem like an evil dude, though. Maybe he's more benign and neutral than the others.

>> No.56182276

Void. The god himself would be the one god of the pantheon who wasn't gifted with the power to create life. Or create anything, really. Someone had to look after all of the empty space that was going to be left over after creation and he was the unlucky one who ended up with that. While the other gods are off creating beautiful races, plants, planets, nebulas and whatever else pops into their minds, he's just sitting there in his great big nothing, bitter about his role in the grand scheme of things. Even though he's the most powerful god due to his role, all he really wanted was to make something himself.

So, he undermines his pantheon in whatever ways he can, because he's got nothing better to do and he wants to get back at them for dumping this role on him. The other gods don't do anything because he's a necessary part of creation and disposing of him would mean someone else would have to take his place, even as he sends maddening whispers to their creations and has destroyed entire civilisations with his schemes.

>> No.56182314

Pretty much. They were allies at one point, but part of the setting is that their power grabs lead to greed and distrust, so there was a lot of backstabbing before things ended up the way they were.

>> No.56182329

Deities in my setting were universally good until the introduction of a single, corruptive primal evil.

An example would be the Serene Maiden, who was once a goddess of dreams and prophecy, one of the rare deities who actually didn't manifest directly in Creation, was corrupted and transformed into a goddess of night terrors and tragedy, turning her powers towards manipulating people in positions of power into madness and paranoia by showing them partial visions of a future they themselves unwittingly bring about.

Her influence is spread by cultists who spread idols and scripture depicting the Maiden, which act as beacons for her attention. A king famously had one such idol placed under his pillow by a servant, causing him to go mad for fear that his neighbors would invade and burn his country to the ground. The resulting assassination and intrigue plunged his country into a war on three fronts that saw the nation destroyed from within.

>> No.56182349


>The other gods don't do anything because he's a necessary part of creation and disposing of him would mean someone else would have to take his place

Ha, a nice way of putting in an indirectly necessary evil.

>> No.56182375


Interesting. Would it be possible in that scenario for the other deities to promote a lesser spirit to fill the now vacant role of dream god? Or does it just get carried over and stays with the new nightmare god?

>> No.56182428

I imagined solitude as clingy but displeasing. Maybe a giant spider made of rotten corpses. It's horrible appearance, smell, voice and attitude fog the mind (by causing deafness, blindess and muteness) and can "stick" to whoever interacts with it.
I also thought about Bloodlust as a mechanical construct made of rusty steel, stained with dry blood, made and commanded by Hatred. Nonetheless, I believe that Bloodlust could use Hatred as a tool and not vice versa.

>> No.56182433

Deities in my setting are regularly alone in their aspects, but remain unique in their purpose by having multiple aspects. There are several other dream deities, but their secondary aspects involve Memory or Communion, rather than Prophecy.

The primal evil (hereby referred to as The Bitter Star) specifically targeted the Maiden because of her potential to do the greatest harm if corrupted.

>> No.56182455


Fuck me I meant to say Rarely. The are RARELY alone in their aspects. Multiple fire gods, multiple magic gods, etc.

>> No.56182492

> Conquest, tyranny, egotism, injustice
> Vice, sin, temptation, the breaking of social taboos
> Death, inevitability, cruel fate, apathy, crimes against nature
> Violence, chaos, destruction, anarchy, societal collapse

I based them off of the three evils in Orthodox Christianity: death, sin and the devil (which can be taken to mean bad fate or the faults of human nature)

>> No.56182499

>Ooooh, more on Death, please. I like a deity that stands out from its peers for an unexpected reason.
Well, she has a tendency to go undercover as a helper to the Hero -- and in all instances but the very first, it's as his love interest, so deep undercover that she seals away the knowledge of her true identity until the time is ripe to cut loose.

Also, I guess one thing that *is* pertinent to her domain that sets her apart is that she can resurrect the other gods if (when) they're killed. Including herself, from beyond the grave; she's basically the key to their immortality.

>> No.56182535

Meant for >>56182275

>> No.56182540

Base it on the 5 senses.

Sight: Ignorance, Fear, Darkness AND Light (It's the most powerful because it's Sight, the dominant sense).
Sound: Deceit, Corruption, and Lightning
Touch: Lust, Pain, and Fire
Smell: Envy, Temptation, and Air
Taste: Greed, Knowledge, and Water

>> No.56182549


>The Bitter Star

I'm loving all these names. I don't even know a word to describe these styles of nomenclature, so I'm just going to go with "comfy".

>> No.56182550

>more of a focus on human behaviour (possibly fuelling the deity?)
Pretty much. I figure that most evil as we understand it requires people behind it. One could put most non-human bad things (like natural disasters, disease, or famine) under wrath or death, but the focus should be on people and their actions.

>pedophiles classified as excess
Excess would serve as a kind of umbrella for stuff like addiction, sex-crime (which would have some overlap with hate and death), extreme and dangerous partying, murderous thrill-seeking, gorging, and most forms of decadence.

>> No.56182576


For some reason, I'm picturing Death as the girlfriend in Dead Space 2, and I'm loving it.

>she's basically the key to their immortality.


>> No.56182603


How did you come to the decision to turn the three into four? For example, tyranny and injustice feels like it could fit Death, while egotism can fit Vice, and Conquest is straight up Violence. Was it to balance something else out?

>> No.56182605

>I suppose it's difficult to get people to worship you if you're constantly horrible to them.
You'd be surprised. While not too common among the more organized pantheons, a lot of more animistic religions venerated gods they would fully acknowledge as being nasty cunts. Basically offering worship as a way to appease the evil nasty god so he doesn't fuck up your shit.

>> No.56182631


Would being born with one sense missing result in that person being "immune" to that particular deity? Maybe a deaf person can become a hunter against the agents of sound, for example.

>> No.56182640

My challenge to you, make an evil deity whose sphere of influence is life.
Bonus points if you don't pull a Nurgle.

>> No.56182651
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There's always demons and gods, like Pazuzu, who protect you against even more evil gods (like her wife).

>> No.56182654


Can a god monsters count? Like a deity that can only produce malicious creatures?

>> No.56182670


>Basically offering worship as a way to appease the evil nasty god so he doesn't fuck up your shit

Good idea as to why devil worship could be prominent in an otherwise neutral society.

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His wife.

>> No.56182689

>(like her wife)

I like where this is goi-

>His wife.

Dang it.

>> No.56182720

Yup. But the only way to truly escape evil is to strip yourself of all your senses.

There is a mad prophet of the essence that cut his tongue and eyes out, gouged out his ears and nose, and lacked entirely the tactile sense from birth.

He's irrevocably insane now, but sometimes he stand up as if possessed by some radiant being and perform miracles to those that meditate in his presence.

>> No.56182752


Nasty gods and pantheons are often related to capricious environments and elements.

>> No.56182787

>evil god of dreams
>like some eldritch thing from within

Dreams come from the dreamer. I think the evil god of dreams would use the evil inside of people; their ambitions, frustrated hopes, fear, and so on.

>> No.56182841


>as if possessed by some radiant being

I like that. A potentially benevolent being that exists outside of senses entirely and can only be accessed through complete disconnect with this reality.

>> No.56182844

Nope, straight life. I'll be lenient though and say LE would be fine.

>> No.56182866


There are no Olympians. All these guys are sons and daughters of Nyx and Erebus.

>> No.56182907


What's LE?

How about a god of immortality? No matter how much you are hurt, or tortured, or mutilated, you can never die.

Or a god of mutation? Servants are covered in cancerous growths and swell up from constant over-healing, until they're just huge masses of flesh, that spread to others through contact.

>> No.56182921


Ah, I mistook Charon as a lesser Olympian.

>> No.56182972

The reasoning is that the Gods don't have names, at least not names that mortals can understand, and the vast majority of them actually physically exist in Creation.

Trying to give a name, a proper Name, to something like that is taking far more liberties than you deserve. Descriptive titles are slightly inaccurate, and often different cultures have different titles for the same deity, but as long as you know which God you're talking about, whatever title you use will be enough to commune with them.

This leads to deities with names like Horned God on the Mountain, Lady of the Lake, Glass Walker, Flesh Ascendant, etc.

Then there's the Elven gods, Morning Star, Evening Star, Day Star and Evening Star and The Bitter Star, who pretty much Atlantis'd their whole civilization when it showed up.

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>> No.56182990

>Flipper is a cosmic entity

You gotta explain this.

>> No.56183002

Day Star and MIDNIGHT STAR. Goddamnit I am not functioning today. I need a nap.

>> No.56183016


>Flesh Ascendant


>> No.56183045


The Keres are missing. They were female spirits of violent or cruel death, including death in battle, by accident, murder or ravaging disease. Another of the Fates and Doom minions. Thanatos was the god of non-violent death.

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>> No.56183088

Formerly God of Bountiful Harvest and Celebration, the Bitter Star turned it towards a taste for a...different crop.

>> No.56183167


Note that the Lord of Nightmares is neither evil or good. All the universe of Slayers exist within her/his/its dream.

>> No.56183339

A god of life who created everything, but hates it like an artist hates his own art. The god hates his creation and his only goal is to "wipe the slate clean" to start anew.

>> No.56183351


Then all th flavors inbetween.

>> No.56183440


How do you make an evil god of day? Or is she/he the black sheep of the Pantheon?

>> No.56183528

>god of conflict
>actually pretty chill because people start shit all the time without his help and he gets to kick back and relax every day

>> No.56183530

Excess would be the absolute supreme god in that case I believe.
Almost (and I have trouble finding a counter example) everything that goes wrong does because of excess.

>> No.56183532

A long time ago there was a god that sought to own all that was on the earth, to step anywhere and know that the dirt beneath his feet was his and his alone. Many gods realized this, and in a great war managed to cut of his legs.

Without his legs he floated up into the sky where he entered the sun. Now he lives there, forever forced to watch the earth but never able to touch it. He plots even to this day to one day return and claim what is his, but for now he bides his time. Sometimes when he gets really pissy or angry though he turns up the heat.

The great desert happens to be the land he passes over when he is almost never asleep (he tends to be drowsy most of the time because it's hard to sleep in a sun), and people always travel under beautiful parasols or cover themselves in elaborate clothing bear his symbols... Lest they incur his wrath.

>> No.56183587


>> No.56183621

Are you autistic? Yeah, thanks to murder rapist I'll keep my doors shut and but guns to defend myself, doesn't mean I'll praise them for it

Yes, pain is an importante feeling for survival, but the god of pain in most cosmologies is associated with torture, when pain stop being a sign of can ver tô because just suffering

Gods of darkness are often associated with fear of the unknown. Also it doesn't "stop" the sun, it's directly related to it and it's position, same thing applies to cold, but I don't like good as evil

>> No.56183642

And this is the best idea of an evil pantheon. Evil is easy, evil is empting. And some evil is needed, even.

>> No.56183701

Ruled with an iron fist by the striding god of Chadness

>> No.56184144

I think they should generally follow some kind of theme, for example:
>the four elements in their destructive aspects:
Fire = Conflagration, the Scorched One
Water = Flood, the Drowned One
Air = Tempest, the Strangled One
Earth = Earthquake, the Buried One
>5 senses
Sight = The Blind, God of illusions and delusions
Hearing = The Deaf, God of whispers and the cold-hearted
Touch = The Deprived, God of emptiness and misery
Taste = The Decadent, God of hunger and excess
Smell = The Foul, God of the obscene and disgusting

>> No.56184166

I think these suffice.

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God of Ghosts. Undead are bad. Death should be death. Watch out for those ghosts trying to get you! That wraith chasing you around? God of Ghosts is to blame! That fiend! He threw a monkey wrench in the natural order of life and death and for this he will never be forgiven.

>> No.56186443

I had the concept to create a modern horror fantasy game world with a cult whose top members are trying to transform themselves into living evil gods, to destroy modern society and the 'evil' of technology.
>The Weather
>Ignorance(?) The Hidden(?)

I want an edgy God for the final capstone and most powerful of the pantheon, representing the inability and technological stagnation of the kind of world they envision.

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Evil crafting god who twists the creations of others but praises high quality work from those who put craft above all else.

>> No.56188511

A pantheon of twins one good, one evil. Thus leading the birth of twins to be seen in a mixed perspective. A sure sign of divine intervention in mortal affairs and a promised future of incredible goods and terrible evils.

>> No.56190186

Desire and Despair are the only ones you need. The desire for anything and the desire for nothing but the end.

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>what would your primary divisions of aspects be?

Gay (Evil God of love)
Tranny (Evil God of transformation/magic)
Nigga (Evil God of sheeeeeeeeee'it)
Gay Nigga Tranny (Supreme God, lives in a pyramid)

Gay Nigga Tranny is more powerful than the other Gods due to his heightened victim complex and they must often unify against him to defend their individual Gay, Nigga, and Tranny realms.

>> No.56190276

By your powers combined I am Captain CW!

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Zeus was a tyrannical asshole. He imprisoned Kronus, who ruled over the Golden Age of humanity. Before Zeus humans actually enjoyed life. Afterward, they were in a constant state of God-sponsored warfare and fear because of Zeus and his dysfunctional siblings.

All hail papa Kronus!

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Sure does. They aren't dreaming this all, but they'd like to, Starlight.

>> No.56190536

Leprosy, Salt, and Fire are a trio I use every now and again.

Mostly because I think they're cool.

>> No.56190542

>golden age
>no fire, no civilization, but plenty of hunger, disease, and tribal warfare
It wasn't a Golden Age FOR Humanity, though. It was a Golden Age for the Titans, because they could play ninehuman bowling and humanketball.

>> No.56190562

>no fire

To be fair, Zeus wanted to be sure that humans didn't get that either. He was pretty fucking pissed at Prometheus.

>> No.56190588

I would make them gods of things of natural occurrences that are a pain to deal with for people. So something like:
>Foreign invaders

>> No.56190598

I really don't like the concept of evil (something from which no good can spring), and tend to avoid it as a point in my settings. So the "evil" gods tend to be the "less good to individual humans" gods. So disease, warfare, dissolution, etc.

>> No.56190610

Zeus was a pretty awful boss too, but at least he spent most of his time frolicking with women rather than burning them one by one to see how long their skin would last before melting.

Prometheus was the real hero, even if he was just doing it to piss off the gods.

>> No.56190613

>elemental shit
Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit overdone? When magic is divided into elemental schools I even cringe a bit for some reason,

>> No.56190628

>Not if you're going for a dichotomy setting. Or a "grim dark" like 40k.
I mean, 40k and dichotomy settings ARE kinda silly for some people.

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Totally wrong. It was literally called The Golden Age of Humanity. Humanity lived in luxury. Many of the Gods lived horrid lives. Kronus knew he'd be overthrown by one of his children so he consumed them. They were eaten alive. Romans worshipped Saturn in the image of Kronus and laughed at the Greeks who shunned his worship for fear of offending Zeus. The coming prosperity of Roman civilization and domination over the Greek states was viewed as their reward for this. Learn to history fagget.



>> No.56190733

What about making an evil god for all categories of evil that can plague a civilization? the gods lf the evil pantheon are the personifications of these threats.

>Droughts and Floods
>Diseases and Madness
>The Restless Dead and Nightmares
>Fear, Greed and Apathy
>Wrath, Predators and Wildfires
>Hurricanes and Earthquakes
>Black Magic, Curses and Damned Souls

>> No.56190740

Have you been watching Disney's Hercules again, anon?

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For some reason I imagine Misfortune to look like a mangled jester or bard. Complete with one of those sad-faced drama masks like pic related.

>> No.56190800

Strychus, God of Anger
>"Let your rage guide you, that you may walk a path of destruction and leave a trail of blood!"
Aspects are fire and destruction, natural disasters such as volcanoes and forest fires. Urges hair-trigger tempers as a virtue, and followers are to respond to any slight with immediate and vicious assault. His followers have no patience for Cugriel's long-term schemes, and see Jal's repeated attacks as a waste of energy that could be spent attacking other slights. Berserkers are akin to the priesthood in Strychus' religion- flying into a murderous rage is a religious experience.

Cugriel, God of Hatred
>"Remember their laughter, their words, their injuries. Add them to the list. Let the cold grow."
Aspects include cold, disease, and winter. Encourages carefully planned destruction of one's enemies. Brash and abrupt assaults are frowned upon. Careful, skilled sabotage that results in disproportionate revenge is praised. From youth, they are encouraged to keep long records of who wronged them and how they wish to make them pay. Alliances with followers of Jal are rather common.

Jal, God of Unforgiveness
>"Make them pay. Again. Again. AGAIN."
Aspects include lightning, storms, poison and revenge. Unlike Strychus, Jal commands his followers to attack again and again. If the person who wronged you dies, go after their next of kin. If they have no family, go after their friends or anyone who did them kindness. The idiocy of forgiveness is drummed into the youth with stories and parables of well-meaning victims who forgave their enemies, only to be backstabbed later. Jal's followers often find common ground with Cugriel's flock, but have little to do with Strychus's flash in the pan rages. Venomous animals are considered sacred, and milking them for venom is done with great respect and care.


>> No.56190843


Boloron, God of Paranoia
>"They ARE out to get you!"
Aspects include stone, metal, traps and distrust. Boloron's children are taught the virtues of suspicion, even towards family and their closest 'friends'. Having a slew of backup plans and list of ally's weaknesses that would unnerve the other three gods' followers is a virtue Bolorons respect and fear. Use of recorded scrying spells on one's self and others to prove and disprove guilt is a skill each Boloron learns early on if they want to live. Those who cannot trust anyone build small compounds. Those who can just barely trust each other build massive fortresses. They barely, if ever, interact with the other three gods- they just can't be trusted.

Danyl, God of Betrayal
>"Trust me."
Aspects include decay and misfortune. Followers of Danyl are opportunistic backstabbers hated and loathed by all four other dark gods. They are encouraged to turn friends against each other and break apart families for nothing more than to learn how betrayal works. One almost universal quirk among followers of Danyl is the inability to accept responsibility for any negative consequences of their actions.

>> No.56190957

Bomx, God of Hedonism
>"It's the end of the world, bitch! Party!"
Aspects include nihilism and amorality, chaos and disrespect for boundaries.
Bomx's believers know that between the ragewars of Strychus, the elaborate revenges of Cugriel and Jal, Boloron raising fortress-cities and Danyl's followers being dicks, the world is going to end pretty soon. Hence, if it's fun for you, do it.

This might seem like harmless partying, until one realizes that 'no' is a horrific taboo to followers of Bomx. To deny is to forbid closure, as the end could come at any time. The liquor fueled orgies only seem tempting until you realize many of the participants aren't willing, and then Boloron's cold, stony gruff greetings and goodbyes, loveless marriages of barely suppressed paranoia and being raised in fear looks inviting...

Nix, God of Ends
>"Let the pain end."
Aspects include light and ending pain, death and the afterlife, painless suicide.
Nix's followers are compassionate. So compassionate, they cannot stand the idea of you suffering. Unfortunately, to them, life IS suffering, and the brief pain that will come from a 'healing' of a region will be nothing compared to what they would have suffered otherwise.

On the other hand, if you simply cannot take it any more, go to a temple of Nix. Others may call you cowards. Nix will offer you a sweet, almond drink and bed on which to gather your final thoughts.

>> No.56191704


one of my favorite evil gods to use is the liesmith, patrion of soothspeakers and zealots.
the father of all lies he who decieved the creator god into thinking all was well with his creation and that no other gods could interfeare with its causality.
he cursed humanity with the ability to lie and decieve eachother and themselfes.
his followers say he did so to protect the meek who could not survive in the worlds true and natural state where the strong devoured the weak, but none truly knows why.
made manifest the liesmith mostly disgueses himself as the angel of truth, his actuall form appears through the angel of truth turning inside out revealing the lie underneath.
this "true" form veries heavily on the situation as the bones and guts will arrenge themselfes to resemble whatever form the liesmith desires, meaning the only form he reliably takes is the lie of the angel.

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id, ego and super ego
not necessarily evil by nature absolute morality is boring.

>> No.56191980

I fucking hate the autocorrect
>*stops being a sign of danger to become just suffering
>*I don't like cold as evil
I don't get most of these "corrections"

>> No.56192634

I love me drama masks and neutral gods that fit them.
God's who's nature is dual and conflicting, so that their "evil" aspect is more of a theological split then a new god.

God of Truth and Deceit
God of Order and Chaos
God of War and Peace etc

I should get around to drawing masks of the pantheon....

>> No.56194175

But the end of the Golden Age is traditionally attributed not to the Olympian victory in the Titanomachy, but rather to the introduction of fire by Prometheus. So it's not so much about whether Zeus or Cronos was the better ruler, except insofar as Cronos did a better job of making sure humanity stayed away from all that "civilization" and "technology" crap and just lived in harmony with nature.

>> No.56194819


What is an evil god of Friendship like?

>> No.56194921

All the gods and titans were tyrannical. The Golden Age of Humanity ended with the theft of fire, not with the death of Cronos or the ascension of Zeus. Also, you're mixing up Roman religious propaganda and Hellenistic theology.

>> No.56195078

Age - the need to grow from a helpless infant and to degrade into a helpless old man.
Hunger - the need to replenish oneself with food, drink and sleep or face starvation and exhaustion.
Injury - vulnerability to having ones body damaged or crippled by things like sharp objects, blunt force and extreme temperatures.
Disease - susceptibility to infections and deformities.
Madness - the tendency of ones mind to break in the face of things like stress, grief and isolation.
The evil pantheon govern the factors that cause suffering and death.
The good pantheon teach mortals techniques to improve their quality of life like medicine, agriculture and law.

>> No.56195138

Goddess of Water:Needs to be constantly placated with sacrifices, or will turn your water brackish/salty/stagnant, extremely vain and egotistical and petty. Can make it rain salt water on your crops if you don't edify him.

>> No.56195189

I once pondered tell concept of a pantheon and decided that each "god" would represent a certain aspect or trait of humanity. For example there would be a god of Valor, malice etc. The thing is I made it so there had to be an even number of good and bad gods, and they weren't necessarily those gods by choice. The idea was that it was their job to maintain a constant balance and nothing more

>> No.56195257

The pantheon of Entropy

The pantheon of Sin

The pantheon of destruction

>> No.56196404

The god of life made life simply to watch it suffering and dying. He made it able to reproduce, and in all of its forms, disease yes, but also all the predators, all the prey, all the parasites, and even humanity. They were all born simply so he could watch them die while he laughs at the horror he has constructed.
Now, he is angry that humans are breaking the natural way of things so they die far less soon, and so he spawns horrible creatures to break down humanity over time, destroy their creations, so humanity can suffer more, and die.

>> No.56196536

The ideal forms for the evil pantheon is things that are bad on the individual level, catastrophic on the macro level, but essential for the world to work.
Everyone has to respect them as pieces that make the world whole, but to make them a central part of your life is destructive

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>> No.56197395


Is there anything you can think of that's evil and doesn't have a good counter part?

>> No.56197474

There are two games with pantheons I like.

>Fable - Knight of Blades, Jack of Blades, and Queen of Blades
>Elder Scrolls - Daedric Princes

>> No.56198051

Go simple.


All three make people do horrible horrible things and are at the core of the evils of the world.

>> No.56198090


That's it, he killed all the other bad gods. On the good side there is Life, but death only keeps her around because death himself is afraid to die.

>> No.56199948

I would avoid doing good or evil pantheons all together, much as I would avoid doing good and evil individual gods. Rather, I think, it's more interesting for the gods to be complex personalities with both good and bad to them even if they're just personifications of a singl thing.

For example, a pantheon might not have a death god at all but instead there is the personification of time, and all the other gods fear him for one day he'll bring his sword down on them, and no plan of theirs, no matter how beautiful or grand will stand against him, and mortal kings have brought their armies against him but the only thing that resulted in was them growing old and grey and their lands withering and perishing while they were gone.

>> No.56199971

God, Jack was too cool to be in only one game.

Also, fuck I miss Fable I and II.

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>Table Edges
Representative of the hard and unforgiving world
>Jean Zippers
Representative of unforetold agonies when you are most vulnerable
>Sand Spurs
Representative of that the foul things that cling to your mind that you can never shake away
Representative that that which cannot be erased, a dark and cruel futility.
Representative of brutal torture and unbelievable cruelty through fiery, hellish violence.

>> No.56200551

The God of Dreams is dead and inside every human, thus the reason we have dreams. He/she/it can sometimes utilize dreams to manipulate the world.

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