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>WIP Math-hammer doc (Thanks Chart-Anon!)
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Did anyone actually stick with 7th outside HH?

>> No.56060951

Why does GW recycle art so much? Fuck off with that Eldar codex cover!

>> No.56060990

>>56060951
It's, like the birds say, cheap.

>> No.56061001

>>56060951
You want them to pay money for a piece of art they use once?

>> No.56061028

>>56060951
Why would you not?

>> No.56061046

>>56060932
Best Primarch

>> No.56061048

>Genecults, Admech, Necromunda, Custodes/SoS and Titanicus will have a modern plastic before Sisters of Battle.

>> No.56061076

>>56061046
>So edgy he literally killed himself (through proxy, but still)

Top kek

>> No.56061082

>>56060951
THey dont give a shit about the legacy codexes because theyre just getting them out of the way

Old armies are not going to be updated anymore, just like AoS, we will just get new armies every few months in big splash releases, then theyll move onto the next new army

>> No.56061093

>>56060932
5th with vehicles needing to he reworked a bit.

>> No.56061108

>>56061093
And pre-powercreep codexes.

>> No.56061196

The new Regimental Standard is a fun read.
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/25/the-regimental-standard-the-history-of-the-imperium-tanks-of-old-terra/

>> No.56061201

>>56061048
It's almost like all the ones you mentioned getting plastic aren't oc donut steel boob plated tsunderes.

>> No.56061213

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOUEcdjoCXY

"A Reading from The Warmaster by Dan Abnett"

>> No.56061236

>mfw Guardfag tears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nFue4kZkLY&t=

>> No.56061250

>>56061046
That doesn't look like Magnus

>> No.56061258

>>56061196
>"The Tyger tank was first seen in the so-called “Two World War”. This conflict seems to have been notable for only featuring two planets – Terra and Venus – making it a relatively small skirmish. Like the MULE used by the Adeptus Mechanicus in days of yore, the Tyger is probably named after an animal of Old Earth, in this case, large, nine-legged insectoids from the Yndonesian Bloc"

I feel they got some of the information a bit scrambled.

>> No.56061273

>>56061048
And possibly even pre-painted 40k minis with that wizkids deal.

>> No.56061274

>>56061046
Why doesn't this guy wash his hair?

>> No.56061300

>>56061046
Baby Primarch

>> No.56061319

>>56061274
To invoke terror amongst people who have decent hygiene.

>> No.56061338

>>56061319
>Konrad confirmed MtG player

>> No.56061361

Are Repulsors worth getting? I want it for transport purposes but the price for it seems steep for what it's offering.

>> No.56061380

>Assault Marines are $41 for 5
>Tacticals are $40 for 10
>already have a surplus of chainswords and bolt pistols
>just need a few Jump Packs
Any of y'all bought anything recently?

>> No.56061446

>>56061380
but anon, none of them will have the fancy running/jumping legs

>> No.56061450

>>56061380
Nope. My girlfriend is too expensive

>> No.56061522

We’ll be back sooner or later.

>> No.56061533

>>56061108
>marines need buffed REEEEEEE

>> No.56061555

>While the Sherman superficially resembles Imperial designs, it has several disadvantages compared to the Leman Russ. Sloped plating is likely to deflect small arms munitions into nearby soldiers while proving ineffective at dispersing las-fire. Attacking the enemy with a cavalry sabre from the turret hatch would be all but impossible due to its awkward position, even if the crew drove the officer very close. Similarly, field simulations suggest that the treads would quickly become clogged after running over even a smallish squad of Aeldari Guardians.

Slope armor-fags blown the fuck out, large flat surfaces, possibly coated in a certain material, aid in las-energy absorption and mitigating anti-tank lasers.

>> No.56061558

>>56061196
>The fucking Sherman paragraph

That damn meme still gets me and I don't know why!

>> No.56061575 [SPOILER] 

>>56061446
>none of them will have the fancy running/jumping legs
I never said that these new Assault Marines would be my only Assault Marines.
>inb4 grey tide
Working on it, but I work slowly.


>>56061450
>gf
RIP in peas anon. I know how bad that can be.

>> No.56061615

>>56061575
Eh. At least she likes smoking weed and painting minis with me. Granted its my weed and my minis, but still.

>> No.56061658

What size bases do custodes use?

>> No.56061664

>>56061658
40mm

>> No.56061667

Yo fa/tg/uys, does anyone know which model had a tyranid head impaled on a banner top and not just as a picture?

>> No.56061673

>>56061380
Bonesinger.

Now I just need to decide what else to put in my Eldar army.

>> No.56061674

While I have my main Guard list to play with, I'm thinking of going back to the Renegades army I wanted when I first began as a side project, but I'm having issues deciding on a unified aesthetic, so what I'm wondering is if I should try and pick one or try all of them, basically either make the Khornate Renegade Guard, Nurglite trench fighter guys or what is essentially the mortal version of the Black Legion led by a mortal that's earned Chosen status. What do you think would be most interesting to make/paint/play?

>> No.56061695

>>56061273
GW will never ever sell shitty pre-painted minis.
Even with all the changes, Warhammer is still a complete hobby and not just a game.
The Wizkids deal is just a replacement for FFG and will mostly result in Boardgames, Cardgames and other games with the 40k license.

>> No.56061738

>>56061380
FW Legion Combi-Weapon pack and Rogue Psykers.

Contemplating making some cultists out of the FW renegade IG upgrade kits, but those cunts will be awfully expensive for 4pt chaff models.

>> No.56061761

>>56060932
3rd is my first edition and my favourite. Also the art was amazing in it.

>> No.56061776

>>56061274
He does. It's his hair thinning.
He's going to get bald.

>> No.56061779

>>56060932
I have like 10 regular CSM dudes and I want to make some choosen because I play AL.
Should I get intercessors and convert them or just use the ones I already have and give them some cool pimped up greenstuff clothes.

>> No.56061804

>>56061615
>Weed
It's for people of sub-saharan blood, stop using it

>> No.56061806

>>56060932
I need complete scans of the 3rd edition rulebook.

For some reason the ones out there left the lore sections out. Like someone wanted to erase the best lore of 40k...

>> No.56061809

>>56060932
Can I use old armies that didnt had their rules updated to 8th or that dont have New codexes? How does it work?

>> No.56061820

>>56061809
You pretend

>> No.56061822

>>56061048
Being a Sisters player is suffering.

>> No.56061827

>>56061809
Between 3rd and 7th you could do it no problem, with little fine tuning.
Before 3rd and after 7th good luck trying to convert things to 2nd or 8th from things between 3 and 7

>> No.56061829

>>56061804
Anon, it either that or pills, and only rhe worst of scum use opiates. So I'll take being a nigger over a junkie

>> No.56061834

>>56061213
Listening to Xenos as I type, feels good man, feels good.

>> No.56061841

>>56061806
Second this. From 3rd to 5th.
I want to see what all the fuzz is all about

>> No.56061842

>>56061829
Stop both

>> No.56061848

>bloody rose
re-roll wound rolls of 1 in combat

>sacred rose
re-roll failed morale tests

>our martyred lady
free acts of faith from friendly <order> characters' deaths

>ebon chalice
5+ shield of faith invulnerable saves (doesn't stack with other buffs) and re-rollable deny tests

>valorous heart
6+++

>argent shroud
5+ overwatch shots

what do you think?

>> No.56061858

>>56061674
Make an army led by a Chaos Lord, make it undivided.

>> No.56061860

>>56061842

>> No.56061864

>>56061842
Unless you have a chronic pain condition
what now?

>> No.56061870

>>56061848
>no ignores cover
Shit list

>> No.56061880

>>56061048
>Fitting as they were rooted in rogue trader
>given a shitty range not doing justice to their faction
>bit of a niche game, not directly 40k though
>custodes/sos already have a paltry range and need some expanding

>Titanicus
>plastic titans
>implying

Sisters are just a really niche army. They still have metal left over, they don't sell well

>> No.56061881

>>56060932
Is the Avatar of Khaine worth it? Seems abit pricey.
>>56061809
What armies don't have updated rules for 8th? All armies should have rules in the Index go check.

>> No.56061882

>>56061848
>no -1 to hit
3/10, apply yourself

>> No.56061883

>>56060932
I know FW Resin, GW Plastic, and the old GW Metals all use different equipment to mold and manufacture, which is why GW's old metals aren't in plastic.

But what about GW plastic and GW clear plastic, like they use in flying bases or necron sprues?

How difficult would it be for GW to do a promotional run of, say, Tau Stealth Suits in flight-base plastic?

>> No.56061884

>>56061870
>order of the flaming flamer
flamers ignore cover

>> No.56061887

>>56061848
But who will get the coveted +1 to wound buildings

>> No.56061893

Is there a difference between the sprues for the Talons of the Emperor/BoP/5man Custodes boxed set? They seem close from what I can tell on google. I'm assuming more options in the stand-alone boxed set?

I ask because I only want 5 of em, and the BoP sprues are cheap on ebay.

>> No.56061894

>>56060932

>> No.56061909

>>56061883
invisible frodo mini never forget

>> No.56061913

>>56061893
Its the same sprue.

>> No.56061914

>>56061864
Man up and learn to deal with it

>> No.56061916

>>56061893
>custodes in 40k
>options

Choose one.

>> No.56061919

>>56061848
I have a feeling Martyred lady will have 6+ feel no pain.

I hope Argent Shroud gets something good. Though honestly I guess I'll just be happy if we even get a codex.

>> No.56061925

>>56061893
Its the same in everything
5 swords, 5 spears, 5 shields
2 bare heads
+ everything else

>> No.56061927

>>56061842
stop breathing and report back

>> No.56061930

>>56061884
>flamers ignore cover
>still get +1 armor in cover

What did he mean by this?

>> No.56061938

>>56061914
I hope you get in a debilitating accident and have to deal with it

>> No.56061943

>>56061927
>junkie cant quit
Lmao @ u

>> No.56061949

>>56061196
I cant believe same guys who write the nu-gw lore exist in the same environment with those who write the regimental standart.

>> No.56061952

>>56061864
if we aren't supposed to smoke weed, why's it fuckin' called "chronic" pain then

>> No.56061959

>>56061914
>t. person who has never dealt with chronic pain
AHAHAHAHA
you're a funny one

>> No.56061962

>>56061894
AH HA HA HA NO.

>> No.56061963

>>56061919
if they only could have some kind of weak soulburst effect from destroyed friendly units but even a shitty version of it is quickly overpowered

>> No.56061969

>>56061883
Not at all difficult

>> No.56061975

>>56061909
Neat.

>> No.56061976

>>56061927
Did it, what now?

>> No.56061979

>>56061969
i only see a grassy base. what's up with this pic? reddit here

>> No.56061983

>>56061913
>>56061916
>>56061925
Huh, thanks. But why on earth would people spend $50 on a 5 man squad when the same damn sprue is $25? Oh fuck it why am I even asking.

>> No.56061986

>>56061976
You started again! typical oxygen junkie

>> No.56061989

>>56061380
I dont play eldar but i really really was tempted to buy that bonesinger.

>> No.56061999

>>56061986
>You need weed to survive

>> No.56062008

>>56061983
Because geedubya

>> No.56062015

>>56061804
Piss off, racist scum.

>> No.56062034

>>56061884
>flamers ignite cover
>flamers deal 2 Damage when targeting models in cover

>> No.56062037

>>56061804
Wasn't weed popular among the whites for centuries until the mexicans started doing it?
Or did Adam lie to me?

>> No.56062039

>>56061484
Yea. I really like it. It would bring me to:
30 wyches
20 hellions
12 Reavers
6 raiders
2 Venoms
2 succubus
And that's not counting my kabalites and obviously. Once I get the money, I think I'm going to go for it.

>> No.56062050

>>56061046
Objectively incorrect.

>> No.56062053

>>56062034
to be real though all sororitas flamers need is a few extra inches of range and a stratagem to push some serious damage when needed

>> No.56062066

>While the Sherman superficially resembles Imperial designs, it has several disadvantages compared to the Leman Russ. Sloped plating is likely to deflect small arms munitions into nearby soldiers while proving ineffective at dispersing las-fire.
Oh, that's the excuse for not having slopped armour.

>> No.56062076

>>56062037
It's originally a south asian thing.

>> No.56062082

>>56062053
I'm sure they get Acts of Faith to boost their abilities.

>> No.56062101

>>56062082
guard orders remained the same. orders might get specific extra acts but they won't add army wide acts to the pre existing list

>> No.56062113

>>56062053
You need to spam them so hard with SoB in 8th that you are better off spamming meltas and hoping the Vehicle flamers and bolter do the job

>> No.56062125

Can we talk about tyranid MCs and how they are not spongey enough to bullet sponge?

>> No.56062129

>>56062066
Easiest way to disperse las-fire ought to be aluminum foil, or an arbitrarily thin layer of ceramite.

>> No.56062142

>>56062113
or better off spamming cheaper storm bolters for a more similar analog

>> No.56062148

>>56062066
Fucking wot

>> No.56062149

>tfw your opponent has a unit of 10 Alpha Legion Havocs in cover with 4 Lascannons, right next to a Daemon Prince who buffs them with prescience.

>> No.56062163

>>56062142
Not worth losing the meltas, unless you want 4 SB BSS in Immolator vs 3 Melta BSS squad in Immolator

>> No.56062180

>>56062149
Taking a daemon prince to sit on the battlefield buffing some havocs doesn't seem all that efficient.

>> No.56062185

>>56061361
no

>> No.56062186

>>56062163
i was just saying if you want strictly anti-infantry weapons, storm bolters are better and more versatile weapons than flamers

>> No.56062208

>>56061380
I bought Greyfax off Ebay because I felt like doing an Imperium model for a change and I like the Inquisition.

>> No.56062215

>>56062180
He was right next to them only for the fist turn. This was enough for me to lose a Redemptor Dreadnought and a Rhino in the first turn. Then, the Prince charged the soldiers that were in the Rhino, killing almost all of them in one turn.

>> No.56062216

>>56061046
GET FUCKED YOU WHINY EMO BITCH

>> No.56062222

>>56061555
>Attacking the enemy with a cavalry sabre from the turret hatch would be all but impossible due to its awkward position, even if the crew drove the officer very close

How did everyone miss this.

>> No.56062228

So I'm pretty new to 40k, if I deep strike a wave serpent can the units in it disembark?

>> No.56062236

>>56062186
Oh that is true. But then again your vehicles and melee should be doing the anti infrantry.
Or the random retribution squad with heavy flamers in Repressor.

So yah flamers suck ass

>> No.56062254

>>56062228
wave serpent can't deep strike though
If it could nobody could disembark because deep strike counts as moving

>> No.56062255

>>56062149
Your opponent is an idiot, should have used a Sorcerer.
>>56062228
No.

>> No.56062257

One squad of 5 Wraithblades and one squad of 5 Wraithguard both in wave serpants, farseer in one, bonesinger in the other, what should I slap on the Wraith constructs? Thinking axes and the D-Scythes, though swords give more attacks which might end up being the best option. Thoughts?

>> No.56062266

>>56062254
Pretty sure the new Codex has a way to Deep Strike the Wave Serpent - I know you can find ways to Deep Strike Valkyries, so the question remains relevant regardless.

>> No.56062267

>>56062125
I had fun with 4 Flyrants in a 1k game. They took a hilarious amount of damage with my hot rolls.

>> No.56062276

>>56062180
Its actually cheaper than a no upgrades Lord+Sorc, which is what you'd need to get the equivalent level of buffs elsewhere. You lose out on the second power the Sorc has but the DP can run out and start smashing things up if the enemy gets uncomfortably close.

>> No.56062278

i want to do a primaris-only army that does a lot of deep striking. is there any way to optimise this for a fun playstyle, or are the deep strike rules pretty flexible that you can't really shoot yourself in the foot?

>> No.56062279

What's the shittiest new codex?

>> No.56062280

>>56062216
>Angryron calling anyone else a whiney emo
>When all he wanted was to die with his slavekin

Pottery

>> No.56062285

>>56062236
somehow i don't feel safe not having ranged GEQ anti-infantry. i just shouldn't bother due to marines everywhere

>> No.56062290

>>56062255
damn
>>56062254
Eldar are getting a stratagem in the codex that lets them deep strike flying vehicles.

>> No.56062291

>>56062266
I answered it in the same post.

>> No.56062298

Here’s my new WYSIWYG primaris list

The aimed power level of this list was to not be steam rolled on our normal Warhammer nights, I don’t expect this to be an all star in any tournament

Battalion detachment

Chapter: white scars

HQs
Primaris Captain (chapter master) w/ power fist and plasma pistol: 106
Primaris lt w/ power sword and bp: 75

Elites

3x boltstorm aggressors: 129
Primaris apothecary: 68

Troops
2x5 auto bolt rifle intercessors with power sword and GL: 220
1x5 bolt rifle intercessors with PS and GL: 105

Heavy support:

10x assault hellblasters: 340
10x rapid fire hellblasters: 330

Leviathan dread with graviton and storm cannon: 309

Dedicated transport
Repulsor w/ lastalon, twin LC, stubber, onslaught, 3 storm bolters, 2 krakstorms and auto launchers: 311

1993/2000

Plan is to have to use the white scar rule to advance as many guys on turn 1 onto objectives as possible.

Rapid fire hellblasters go in the repulsor, captain/Lt/aggressors form a mild counter charge melee unit behind the hellblasters and intercessors.

>> No.56062299

>>56062255
>should have used a Sorcerer.
Sorcerers don't give reroll 1s.
Daemon Prince does both.

>> No.56062305

>>56062280
Different fucking shit and you know it.

>> No.56062315

>>56062278
deep striking always separates one part of your army from the other because you can't deep strike everything so there's that. and striking deep makes your opponent's close combat units and shooting more effective

>> No.56062317

I haven't played 40k since 5th edition, except for a short period of trying SW:A, which I didn't care for. I lost all interest in GW's rulesets and in the size/scale of 40k armies (don't care for the escalation of larger models and no longer interested in 40k's model count/price tag).

Is Newcromunda something I should be excited for? I never played the original but it sounds like it might be more fully fleshed out than SW:A was.

I got rid of all my old terrain so if it's completely self-contained like it seems it is, that's a plus.

>> No.56062332

>>56062279
each of them are an improvement on the indexes but grey knights got very little out of their codex i feel

>> No.56062348

>>56062299
Ya but prescience adds ones to all rolls to hit. Dosnt that make the rerolls of 1s redundant?

>> No.56062357

>>56062279
Admech

>> No.56062366

>>56062317
oldcromunda was fucking great although it needed much house ruling and faqs. however i find that 40kers don't really care that much about campaigns where i play which is the best part about necromunda. oldcromunda was only balanced if the 4x4 table was absolutely covered with terrain

>> No.56062368

>>56062257
Bonesinger is pretty bad at supporting those guys, because every 3 wounds, it loses the ability to heal, since it can't res. Look into a Warlock or Spiritseer instead.

>> No.56062369

>>56062317
It probably wont get any support after the initial release, due to the fact that they chose gorillaz vs thick belly gangers.

They should have made it not so thick belly gangers vs arbites for a successfull release.

>> No.56062372

>>56061046

>Has two eyes

Come on man, are you even trying?

>> No.56062373

>>56062348
No, it just means you're hitting on a 2+ rerolling 1s. Rerolls are applied before modifiers.

>> No.56062377

aaaaaarrrghhhhh

>> No.56062384

>>56062315
would i be better off using a bunch of inceptors and reivers to jump around the table, rather than straight deep striking?

>> No.56062387

>>56062369
arbites don't fucking belong to the underhive. they're outliers like spyrers

>> No.56062405

>>56062366
>however i find that 40kers don't really care that much about campaigns where i play which is the best part about necromunda.

Yeah, the tacked-on SW:A campaign was a big let down.

>oldcromunda was only balanced if the 4x4 table was absolutely covered with terrain

That's how SW:A felt, but now terrainless, if that's how newmunda is I'm sadly gonna have to give it a pass.

>>56062369
>It probably wont get any support after the initial release, due to the fact that they chose gorillaz vs thick belly gangers.

That's not a big deal to me personally, desu,

>> No.56062407

>>56062298

>White Scars

>No bikes

Why even play

>> No.56062409

>>56062285
When you play SoB 12" range feels like home.
Your "long range" options are:
Bolter, Storm Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta and Exorcist.

>> No.56062410

>>56062384
i can't advise you. i haven't played primaris marines and my friends seem to be somewhat confused about what to do if they want to do something else than gunline (which is always the easiest strategy for any army)

>> No.56062421

>>56062125
New Codex is increasing Wounds count on Tyrants at least.

>> No.56062426

Do I need wave serpents for wraithguard? Or is it viable to get more wraithguard with the points saved and footslog them up?

>> No.56062427

>>56062421
Source: Your ass

>> No.56062437

>>56062377
>to hit

>> No.56062443

>>56062387
That may be but they raid the underhive from time to time and they had old models for necromunda.

>> No.56062444

>>56061883
>>56061969
>>56061975

How do they get clear plastic models like these?

>> No.56062446

>>56062368
Might just run the Bonesinger as a Spiritseer then, or Warlock, just like the model of the Bonesinger. Plus the Spiritseer is out of supply since forever.

>> No.56062448

>>56062405
playing non-squad, non-vehicle based games you can use almost anything as terrain due to the flexibilty of single 25mm models. terrain should probably be the least of your concerns about newcromunda, just saying in my experience the old necromunda was at its best with lots of terrain features

>> No.56062459

>>56061975
OMG I want this so badly

tell me please, how can I acquire a deathleaper like this?

>> No.56062463

>>56062427
Source: GW.

>> No.56062471

>>56062421
It should have gone down to 9 not up to whatever.

>> No.56062473

>>56062290
>Eldar are getting a stratagem in the codex that lets them deep strike flying vehicles.
No, it's infiltrate. Like Raven Guard/Alpha Legion. You put them on the board at the start of the first battle round, before the first turn begins. So yes, the guys inside can disembark.

>> No.56062474

>>56062463
Go on then.

Link me. Make my day.

>> No.56062483

>>56062066
They don't really need an excuse, since the Russ is made of Future-Future Super Steel.
An Abrams Tank or a Leopard would have T7 W6 and a BS 4+ S8 Autocannon. Good luck fighting the Guard with that.

>> No.56062489

>>56062459
You pretty much can't. What you can do, however, is get a pewter one, read up on casting, find the clear resin for casting and do one.

>> No.56062504

>>56062471
No. Shoot the Big Ones is the classic way to deal with Tyranids and Tyrants are fuckhuge monsters, they shouldn't be able to hide. You have Tyrant Guard for that anyways.

What they do need is to drop in cost a bit and have ways to buy more defensive biomorphs like + Toughness, +save, regeneration, and so on.

>> No.56062524

>>56062474
It was a developer at Warhammer World during the GT.

>> No.56062525

>>56062473
Oh wait really? So I could take a Wave Serpent with D-scythe Wraithguard and a spiritseer with quicken and jinx and just blow up a unit of my choice?

>> No.56062528

>>56062483

>They don't really need an excuse, since the Russ is made of Future-Future Super Steel.
Not really

>An Abrams Tank or a Leopard would have T7 W6 and a BS 4+ S8 Autocannon. Good luck fighting the Guard with that.
No, a modern Abrams would rape IG tanks from miles away while moving 40 mph
IG tanks meanwhile don't even have any suspension, making shooting on the move laughable.

>> No.56062535

>>56062483
Not to forget a degrading Profile and a LD6 (-4 if they see anything supernatural) for Soldiers.

>> No.56062536

>>56062504
>More options
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
God I miss the 4th edition codex...

>> No.56062538

As they move pretty slowly should Rubrics always be taken with a Rhino?

>> No.56062544

>>56062525
I believe so, yes. You don't even need Quicken.

Alternatively you can just Webway Portal the Wraithguard and then use Quicken in that instance.

>> No.56062546

>>56062525
You could take 3 of those and blow up 3 units of your choice.

BALANCE
A
L
A
N
C
E

>> No.56062547

>>56062524
>myuncleatnintendo

>> No.56062549

>>56062524
That's a funny way of saying 'your ass' but ok.

>> No.56062550

>>56062407
When primaris get their jetbikes you best believe it’s going to happen

Until then I have to put up with sanic aggressors and intercessors

>> No.56062551

How stupid is Inquisition as an 500 points army? I only own the assasins and the Sister special characters for now. Planning on buying the Inquisition stuff this weekend though.

>> No.56062557

>>56062538
nah you just get carried in dustpans

>> No.56062559

>>56062535
>a LD6 for Soldiers.
wojak crying behind mask.jpg

>> No.56062562

>>56062536
Guard got more options in their Codex for model bits that didn't have rules, like the tread guard and dozer blades. Expect Tyranids to have a few more biomorphs to play with again. Also stratagems will cover some of what's missing.

>> No.56062563

>>56062504

Alternately, crank up their damage output so they are actually scary if they hit enemy lines, not just overcosted, wet farts

>> No.56062564

Any conversion advice for truescale Legion of the Damned using Primaris as the base? The GW kits are metal so no joy for bits there.

>> No.56062577

>>56062483
They Abrams at least would also have a co-axial heavy stubber and two other heavy stubbers. If they were costed at 70-80 points including wargear they would be failry competative.

>> No.56062582

>>56062528
>No, a modern Abrams would rape IG tanks from miles away
Only in your Murrican fanwanks. A single Russ would barely notice an Abrams hitting it and could easily solo like 10 Abrams while watching Sisters porn.
>Oh noes there goes 2W's

>> No.56062586

>>56062547
>>56062549
So when the previews start and they talk about how Hive Tyrants have more wounds, which of you dumbass faggots is going to tongue my anus first?

>> No.56062587

>>56062544
Can I take a character with a unit when I deepstrike? Also is Webway Portal and Webway Strike the same thing?
>>56062546
How?

>> No.56062588

>>56062551
all inquisitorial units are shit except the inquisitors themselves

>> No.56062618

>>56062410
thanks for the basic advice, anyway. guess i'll actually have to do some testing to figure it out.

>> No.56062622

>>56062562
You're dumb.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Imperial-Guard-Tank-Accessories

>> No.56062623

>>56062587
>Also is Webway Portal and Webway Strike the same thing?
Yes

>Can I take a character with a unit when I deepstrike?
They could be one of the three units you Deep Strike with the webway strat.

>How?
Cloudstrike and Webway Strike both allow 1-3 units to be deployed in that manner, but you can only use one of the two or something like that.

>> No.56062625

>>56062586
None faggot - I'll be too busy finishing a scratchbuilt Malanthrope instead of massaging your prostate gland.

>> No.56062627

>>56060932
Daemons need their saves upped. The armor saves they have, if any, are nearly always worse than their invul, which itself is pitiful. For 9 points and no shooting capabilities, they aught to have at least 4+ saves. As it stands, Daemons hardly get into combat without sustaining heavy losses. They're too expensive for what they can (or rather, can't) do.

>> No.56062629

>>56061046
no

>> No.56062630

>>56062473
thats wrong. Its deepstrike. They read the strategems out loud in the miniwargaming codex review

>> No.56062638

>Death Guard players

>> No.56062642

>>56062622
How does that in any possible way not support what I said? Read it again you retard.

>> No.56062647

>>56062377
>Implying I care

>> No.56062651

>>56062627
is that real or is the hardened lava supposed to look like people or is that the joke

>> No.56062657

>>56062582
>>56062528
>muh real world X would totally beat that fantasy Y thing
>muh real world Y would totally beat that fantasy X thing

What an immensely idiotic thing to argue about.

>> No.56062659

>>56062638
>Death Guard players

>> No.56062662

>>56062582

A lemon russ gets its rear armor penetrated by a heavy stubber
But yeah, I'm totally sure a modern AP shell would just bounce off of it.
btw you still have no answer for their inferior design making them impossible to shoot on the move, and their crappy guns having inferior range

>> No.56062663

>>56062625

Sure hope those things don't get raped in the FW Chapter Approved. 90 pts but 10 PL says the people pricing it out were of two minds. Mark my words, one of those is going to change (and FW doesn't have a great history with good monsters)

>> No.56062679

>>56062659
>>56062638
>Death Guard players

>> No.56062685

>>56062618
since taking the 1st turn is very important, if you can get an impressive alpha strike you can pull of a deep striking army

for example grey knights are well suited for that due to 4 shots from storm bolters at deep striking range and smites outta their asses. maybe try thinking like a grey knight can help

>> No.56062697

>>56062663
>in the FW Chapter Approved
It's the regular Chapter Approved. It balances both GW and FW stuff.

>> No.56062700

>>56062657

There's no debate unless you're retarded.
The Russ is a WW1 tech tank, with none of the modern features required for modern tank warfare.
Even if it did have super tough armor (it doesn't) it would still be a joke of a tank.

>> No.56062702

>>56062662
In which edition of the game could you get a penetraing hit with a s4 gun against av10, possibly 11 depending on variant?

>> No.56062708

>>56062623
webway strike is once per game, 1 (for 1 unit) or 3(for 2 units) CP, INFANTRY and BIKER only, cannot be used with cloudstrike

cloudstrike is 1cp for one VEHICLE with FLY, cannot be used with webway strike

>> No.56062718

>there were guard players who thought Send In the Next Wave didn't require reinforcement points before the FAQ

Guardfags are fucking delusional.

>> No.56062720

>>56062647

>> No.56062721

>>56062305
>Different fucking shit and you know it.
Woo is me, my dad is such a jerk. He kidnapped me and didn't let me die

I'd rather never left my slave planet, aka be dead

>> No.56062723

>>56062627
it's the same 5++ we've always had, we just have no way to improve it now (damn you screamerstar!)

>>56062702
err 4th i believe

>> No.56062737

>>56062702
I'm using "penetrate" in the real world usage.
Meaning that it can go through the armor.
As evidenced by the fact that a heavy stubber could shoot the rear armor of a russ and destroy it.

>> No.56062738

>>56062723
>err 4th i believe
but that's wrong you fucking faggot

>> No.56062740

>>56062718
Given that Cultists and Kataphrons don't have to pay to recycle, it's strange that they do.

>> No.56062754

>>56062723
>it's the same 5++ we've always had
Yeah and we've just about always been shit

>> No.56062759

>>56062697
by the way, it's a buyable book, right? but why would anyone buy a book without rules? they're just patch notes

>> No.56062772

>>56062718
The problem is that costing points makes that strat worse than useless in almost every possible scenario.

As a non-Guardfag who thinks every other part of that FAQ was great including Commissars getting fucked, I think GW fucked up on Send In the Next Wave and need to revert that.

>> No.56062774

>>56062577
The prices would be several times more expensive if we were making them in the modern day. A Russ is produced in the tens of thousands every day, while the building of a modern day tank by our standards is quite expensive. But of course we don't have the same technology and resources as the Imperium does.

>> No.56062781

>>56062723
No, in 4th you could blow it up with a glancing hit, but it was still a glancing hit.

>> No.56062787

>>56062700
It takes multiple thermonuclear hand held cannons to kill a Russ. It takes multiple tank cannon shots to put it down. You forget that 40k defensive tech is leagues ahead of modern technology. The Leman Russ isn't made out of tin foil. An Abrams would have half the wounds, a 5+ save, and a fucking predator autocannon. The Leman Russ would for a moment take it as a serious threat as it takes a bit of damage, then laugh as the fuckers in it bailed out after one hit.

>> No.56062788

>>56062446
So, the only particularly relevant Farseer powers I see for Wraithblades and D-Scythe Wraithguard are Fortune and Doom; meanwhile, you want a LOT of Warlock powers on tap: the only one that the Wraith doesn't really care about is Embolden/Horrify (which is the worst power in the Discipline anyway), although Empower and Doom won't stack linearly, running you into diminishing returns.

I'd argue the most critically important Runes of Battle powers you want on hand are Quicken, Protect, Conceal, Empower, and Enhance, in that order.

>> No.56062791

>>56062759
It's got a fuckton of rules, dude.

>> No.56062805

>>56062663
>implying that I care about its rules, when all I want is a nice looking synaptic critter to babysit my nid gunline

Btw, did a nid player raped you lately ? Because I believe that I can feel your salt from here.

>> No.56062816

>>56062791
what kinds of things on top of price changes? do we have any idea?

>> No.56062817

>>56062369
It's gang warfare you mong not gangs versus police. Although I agree Escher is too THICC. 4me.

>> No.56062824

>>56062788
Thanks for the info, got that noted down now.

>> No.56062835

>>56062772
There was nothing to 'revert' anon. It's how it always worked. Send In The Next Wave always required points because it set up a completely destroyed unit, unlike Fresh Converts and Tide of Traitors.

>> No.56062840

Why would She-Who-Thirsts desire biceps?

>> No.56062849

>>56061983
Because a lot of people don't use ebay for some reason.

>> No.56062850

>>56062840
god of perfection

>> No.56062855

>>56062708
So I can still expend 3 CP to drop 2x10 wraithguard wherever? Seems fair and balanced.

>> No.56062856

>>56062817
Arbites was an original necromunda faction, tho.

>> No.56062857

>>56062787

>It takes multiple thermonuclear hand held cannons to kill a Russ.
No, it literally takes as little as one round of shooting from a heavy stubber to the rear.

>It takes multiple tank cannon shots to put it down.
Depends on which edition

>You forget that 40k defensive tech is leagues ahead of modern technology.
Nope.

>The Leman Russ isn't made out of tin foil.
No, it's made out of various iron alloys, depending on where it's made.

>An Abrams would have half the wounds, a 5+ save, and a fucking predator autocannon.
In your dreams maybe.

>The Leman Russ would for a moment take it as a serious threat as it takes a bit of damage, then laugh as the fuckers in it bailed out after one hit.
The Russ would be outranged by over a laughable amount, be unable to shoot accurately as it got into range, and if it ever somehow did, the Abrams would retreat at 40 mph while firing accurately behind it.

>> No.56062864

>>56062816
possibly creature/tank creator

>>56062754
we'll get warp storm back and the grimoire of true names probably, i wish there was a way to get +1 invuls consistently

>>56062840
everything is sexy, muscles are attractive

>> No.56062865

>>56062805

Nah, I'm a Nid player with 2 Malanthropes and a healthy sense of historically impending doom.

>> No.56062869

>>56062856
>original
not strictly. also they played quite differently from the gangs

>> No.56062870

>>56062663
>People complain about it being 5 PL
>FW acknowledges it was too cheap in PL
>Raises it to 10 PL
>People still complain because they wanted it nerfed into oblivion instead of balanced like a normal unit
Every time.

>> No.56062875

>>56062856
Ya but it heavily deviated from the usual play style of the game and was used more for narrative and campaign more than anything. It didn't provide the core to the game.

>> No.56062882

>>56062737
>using tabletop stats to make a point lore wise
>even worse trying to use those stats to compare the lore of a sci-fi universe with real world

You might not have noticed but it is the fucking future with future guns vs future armor.
You cant compare those two.
If you want to be just a little bit less retarded go and compare the stubber in 40k rp's vs the leman russ tank in 40k'rps.

>your next line is posting the land raider armor pic

>> No.56062888

>>56062840
Because the memelords that make ETTS are just making it up as they go along at this point.

>> No.56062889

>>56062855
yep.
Drop flamer units and have a bike warlock around to get them into range too.
or make them ynnari (and have another craftworld detachment to unlock the strategems) and have them both soulburst, for likely 4 dead tanks/monsters/things

>> No.56062892

>>56062817
The problem is the only ones they've announced are boring as fuck muscle-heads and the muscle-fat women. They're basically the same except for their gender.

They should have chosen more interesting factions (read: pretty much anything else) to play. It doesn't help that they haven't really shown off anything for the game other than the board game version that no one gives a flying fuck about.

>> No.56062895

>>56062857
>No, it literally takes as little as one round of shooting from a heavy stubber to the rear.
Okay, you aren't serious at this point. Nice bait, go jerk off now.

>> No.56062899

>>56062857
>No, it literally takes as little as one round of shooting from a heavy stubber to the rear.
just like the indestructible dreadnought sarcophagus could be destroyed with a single grot pistol shot :)

>> No.56062907

so whats the best way to run windrider jetbikes?

>> No.56062911

>>56062816
The Apocalypse expansion for 8th, Planetary Invasion Campaign rules, dozens of new missions, custom vehicle design rules, all of the armies that don't have a Codex by the time it comes out will get some of their Codex stuff early like stratagems and warlord traits, changes to Matched Play restrictions, it's a bigass book.

>> No.56062914

>>56062857
Please stop shaming your fellow countryman with the display of your retardness.

>> No.56062916

>>56062857
Oh god we're turning into a /k armored thread!

>> No.56062921

>>56062907
Alaitoc with Shuriken Cannons.

>> No.56062930

>>56062857
Reminder if we're using the tabletop as facts:

A Leman Russ can tak an ICBM to the face and survive.

>> No.56062932

>>56062840
because perfection memes based on /fit/izens

>> No.56062940

>>56062892
>eschers and goliaths play the same
??

>> No.56062941

>>56062870
That's not what happened.

When it was released it was 10PL but only 90 points. People expected it to go up to 190 points, thinking that was a typo. Instead it dropped to 5PL.

As a Tyranid player I admit those things are fucking dirty for that cheap.

>> No.56062947

>>56062882

>>using tabletop stats to make a point lore wise
>>even worse trying to use those stats to compare the lore of a sci-fi universe with real world
I could post actual numbers from FW sources, and compare them to real life numbers, but people always close their eyes and pretend the Russ is made of super space metal, so I don't bother.

>>You might not have noticed but it is the fucking future with future guns vs future armor.
Yes I can. The exact same way you can compare a WW1 and modern tank.

Besides, the question of armor is completely irrelevant.
Even if you were right, the Russ still loses because it is slow as fuck, has a short range gun, and cannot fire accurately on the move.
That alone makes it a laughably terrible tank.

>> No.56062963

>>56062907
>that small as fuck power sword without a handle

>> No.56062969

>>56062864
I still say +1 to invul all around. We're not dirt-cheap conscripts or orks, and we really don't have the sort of ranged support any other infantry-heavy army can put down.

>> No.56062974

>>56062921
are people just using random craftworlds and sticking them together?I paint Ibryasil does that mean I cant use tactics from say biel-tan

>> No.56062976

>>56062787
The Battlecannon still is only a 120MM gun, you can only fit so much explosive filler and propellant.

The Abrams does have an ability to accurately fire on the move at speeds of up to 40Mph, something that the Leman Russ lacks.

If i remember correctly however both do have laser rangefinding systems and similar gunnery targeting systems.

>> No.56062980

If theres a bunch of Characters on the table (just characters, nothing else), all with less of 10 wounds, who is the one that I can target?

>> No.56062983 [SPOILER] 

>>56062865
Liar - if you truly were a tyranid player, you would not even care at that point.

>> No.56062987

>>56060623
>Shirt doesn't say WAAAAAAGH

>> No.56062988

>>56062899
Factually incorrect

>> No.56062993

>>56062889

Haven't got the dex, but doesn't web way strike have the 9" away stipulation? if so the wraith can't soulburst.

Also you'd need a separate detachment of Craftworld units to unlock the stratagems as if you wanted to soulburst they would be Ynarri detachments.

>> No.56062994

>>56062980
you cannot target a character unless it is the closest visible enemy unit.

Thats a pretty straightforward sentence. Don't try and find any hidden meaning there.

>> No.56062996

>>56062980
Closest visible.

>> No.56063000

>>56062980
The closest one.

Expect that to change in Chapter Approved, I think it was said they're changing the restriction to targeting CHARACTERS so that only non-CHARACTERS get in the way.

>> No.56063002

>>56062895
>>56062914
>being mad that made up fantasy tanks are worse than irl tanks
wew

>> No.56063005

>>56062974
Just write down on your army list that you're using whatever tactic. Marine players have been doing it for years.

>> No.56063006

>>56062947
You are trying way to hard honey.

Have a (you) you filthy whore

>> No.56063011

>>56062993
You are correct, for some reason I forgot there was a range limitation on soulburst. Have a nearby ynnari psyker to cast word of the phoenix on it then, for 3 units worth of wraithguard shooting on deepstrike for 3cp

>> No.56063019

>>56062921

Not Saim-hann with Scatterlasers?

>> No.56063025

>>56062993
You just Quicken them so they move and then shoot and then Soulburst to shoot again.

>> No.56063031

>>56062916
I'm just waiting for someone to say the T-90 would have better stats because Russians.

>> No.56063036

>>56063002
No it is more of you are just a troll who wants to go hump an Abrams. So go lub up and jump a fence to a US Army motor pool and get to work instead of bothering us with your masturbatory fantasies.

>> No.56063041

>>56063025
Right, that works as well. Make one flamers, one cannons, quicken the flamer ones, word of the phoenix the cannon ones

>> No.56063055

>>56062940
Apparently you don't know how to read.

>> No.56063065

>>56061196
>That entire Sherman section
my fucking sides

>> No.56063066

>>56063002
Out of sheer curiosity in what edition did a S4 gun ever pen a AV10 or let alone AV11 Russ?
We know we could glance to death tanks due to mechanics, but the same mechanics allowed naked humans survive nukes to the face

>> No.56063073

>>56061894
>miss the edition that literally dropped our regular player base from 30 to about 10.

fuck
no

>> No.56063074

>>56063055
same to you

>> No.56063076

>>56063036
>>56063006
>*upset non-arguments intensify*
Looks like two more buttbabies got their widdle feelings hurt, huh? ;^)

>> No.56063079

>>56062840
Because some people are into muscles?

>> No.56063080

>>56061380
Illuminor Szeras, looking to expand some Necrons I got but shit gets sold out before pay day.

>> No.56063084

>>56062941
I was saying what would happen if it was given a point increase. And it's not like it's that strong as a unit anyway. Going above 90 will kill it super fast.

>> No.56063086

>>56062980
Like the other said, closest visible for now. It's pretty funny. Every one of my games all my infantry units get butchered and I end up just running around with like 8-9 Characters. I start with 2 Squads of 20-30 Conscripts, 3 Infantry squads, 1-2 squads of Veterans, 1-2 squads of Scions, but by the end of the game, it's just a bunch of Commanders with power fists, Priests, Inquisitors, Psykers and usually Straken running around plasma pistoling and punching everything left.

My favorite moment has been Straken buffed with Barrier then the Take Cover stratagem. 1+/3++ Straken tanking the world.

>> No.56063096

>>56060932
Question (and yes, I've read the rule book).

It states in the rule book; for a successful charge you need to end up at least an inch away from an enemy model. So it a model is 8 inch away and I roll 7, I am then one inch away so that is a successful charge, right?

>> No.56063097

>>56063066
see
>>56062737

>> No.56063111

>>56061380
Vanguard Vets are 40 for 5
why the fuck would you ever buy assault marines?

>> No.56063114

>>56063096
Yes

>> No.56063116

>>56063096
one case is when you deep strike as close as you can to an enemy (more than 9") you need to roll at least 9" to get into combat on the same turn

>> No.56063121

>>56062638
WHAT IS THIS

>> No.56063126

>>56063097
Ah so bullshit. Because Russ are AV11 meaning they are immune to S4

Stop being a troll and neck yourself

>> No.56063137

>>56061380
I bought some golden bananas off Ebay. Trying to decide what I want to paint them when they arrive. I do like the original golden warrior look, but silver can be nice, and I'm tempted to try bronze.

>> No.56063138

>>56062721
He could have helped. But no, the cooperation of the people who enslaved him, tortured and mutilated him and destroyed any chance of ever actually being a functional person again was worth more than helping him and the closest thing to family he ever had.

That's fucking comparable to Waaah Daddy won't let me make flesh statues with civilians so that makes him a hypocrite and I'm right Waaaah. Please kill me waaah!

>> No.56063145

>>56063126
leman russ battle tanks were 14/12/10 and demolisher variants were 14/13/11 in earlier editions not to comment on anything else

>> No.56063155

>>56062840
Why wouldn’t Slaanesh enjoy Horny Khorny’s chest?

>> No.56063158

>>56062638
>>56062659
>>56062679
Jesus christ that's cringey

I would marry GSC Breeder if her only requirement was that we have to read out of the codex during the ceremony

>> No.56063164

>>56063126

No, only the demolisher, and variants with the same chassis had 11 rears.
Standard Russ' have always had 10.
Pretty hilarious that you would out yourself as being rules illiterate while angrily shouting at me for the same.
How embarrassing that must be for you...

>> No.56063182

>>56062718
Yeah, IDIOTS. You gotta pay upfront for the termagant units your tervigon spawn.

>> No.56063194

>>56063011
>>56063025

fair point indeed, the only issue then is getting Yvraine within Word:Phoenix range, though i guess you don't have to deep strike turn 1.

As for the issue of needing a Craftworld detachment; 3 Hemlocks in an Airwing to provide your Runes of whatever to the wraith (along with being fucking badass) using the Altaioc craft world trait.

-2 to hit flyers providing deep striking wraiths with support whilst also being anti air due to auto hit weapons + smite.

>> No.56063196

>>56063182
You do.

>> No.56063210

>>56063145
>>56063164
Samefagging?

In any case. If we are using game mechanics for characteristics an abram can be shot down and exploded with a pistol.

Mechanics means very little

>> No.56063211

>>56063000
>>56062994
Not trying to find any hidden meaning; I just wanted to be sure we played right, because my opponent played a (almost) mono Demons Princes army, with some nurgling to annoy me, and it pissed me off that I wasnt able to target almost anything that I wanted because everything remaing on the table after a couple of turns were just Characters.

>> No.56063215

>>56063138
>That's fucking comparable to Waaah Daddy won't let me make flesh statues with civilians so that makes him a hypocrite and I'm right Waaaah. Please kill me waaah!
But that's not what happened. The Emperor did actualy sanctioned it, remember that he even congratulated Curze for what he did on Nostramo. The whole censorship was mostly diplomacy, the Emperor couldn't be seen supporting tortures, even if it has usefullness

>> No.56063216

>>56063194
>As for the issue of needing a Craftworld detachment; 3 Hemlocks in an Airwing to provide your Runes of whatever to the wraith (along with being fucking badass) using the Altaioc craft world trait.
Hemlocks can only debuff now.

>> No.56063230

Thoughts on this Stygies 8 Ad Mech list?

>> No.56063236

>>56063019
If you're just focusing on bikes and only bikes, go for Saim-Hann. Also remember that Vypers will get the Bike keyword in the new codex, so they have that. Alaitoc is just all around good.

>> No.56063248

>>56063211
yep it's gay. especially when that one remaining nurgling base is locked in combat at the center of your army and you can't target any daemon princes but can't shoot the nurgling either (unless you fell back from combat of course)

>> No.56063251

>>56063196
Prove it.

>> No.56063254

>>56063210
>Samefagging?
No?

>In any case. If we are using game mechanics for characteristics an abram can be shot down and exploded with a pistol.
In retarded 8E mechanics, yes. 8E doesn't have rear armor values, so there's no point discussing it.
That says nothing at all, since that's true of literally everything in 8E.
Love how you fucked up hard and tried to change the subject btw.
I'm sure nobody noticed how ignorant you are.

>> No.56063255

>>56063216

Ah, thats a shame! Like i said i haven't looked over the new codex yet so don't know if a crimson hunter detachment would be better.

alternatively a patrol detachment of a warlock and a squad of rangers or something could be cool

>> No.56063256

>>56063111
>why the fuck would you ever buy assault marines?
I guess if you want Eviserators or EPIK base detail?
I already have two Eviserators though and I can't really ever see myself using them. Probably will just use them as whatever-I-feel-like for Gabriel Seth's honor guard.

Van Vets might be $40 for 5, but Tacticals are still $40 for 10 and then $17.50 more for 10 Jump Packs. If you got spare choppa bitz then there's not much point in getting Van Vets either unless you want more detailed looking armor.

>>56063137
>I'm tempted to try bronze.
I'm tempted to do my Sanguinary Guard in bronze and steel. I think it would make them look a lot better than they would in gold.

>> No.56063264

>>56063230
Why the fuck are there a million taser lance dragoons?

>> No.56063271

>>56063084
>Not that strong of a unit
>90pts to give a -1 hit modifier to a huge chunk of your army
>While satisfying HQ tax
>And providing Synapse

>> No.56063272

>>56063230
He needs to list his Warlord Trait before the start of the game.

Also where is his Relic?

Also he doesn't really have enough CP to make the most of that list.

>> No.56063281

>>56063264
>Why the fuck are there a million taser lance dragoons?
Because they're godly and 4 of them will one-shot a Primarch on the charge with Doctrina Imperatives, and they're -2 to hit from over 12" with Stygies.

Also the models look fucking amazing.

>> No.56063289

>>56063256
>I'm tempted to do my Sanguinary Guard in bronze and steel
I recommend Duncan's Minotaurs vid for bronze - stupid easy and looks pretty good, too. I think that would look solid on Sanguinary Guard.

>> No.56063291

>>56062947
Eldar empire which rules for 60 million years and reached the pinnacle of technology has a standart ranged anti-tank weapon
That anti tank weapon has a chacne to penetrate the frontal armor of a leman russ though that chance is not a big one.

An imbecile like you is suggesting an vehicle which can shrugg off the main anti tank weapon of a race which lived for 60 million years is worse than one that was made before the invention of mobile phones.

Here is your (you) now fuck off.

>> No.56063297

>>56063254
Still not penetration with AV10
Just glancing.

Glancing used to represent getting hit so much that it can't function properly

Like losing your tracks and a gun breach

>> No.56063312

>>56063248
It was fucking annoying to waste Blasters and Dark Lances on Nurglings and, even If I killed them all, still dont target what I wanted because "Ehy did you forget about this single Herald on Chariot that is not just dieing after 50 attacks? Yeah ITs the closer one you cant shoot anything"

>> No.56063326

>>56063312
been there

>> No.56063332

>>56063251
It's literally in the FAQ already. Tervigons pay for new units of Termagants, they don't pay for replenishing existing squads.

>> No.56063339

>>56063256
If you don’t have enough choppy bits the vanguard kit comes with a metric ton of power weapons, which is great. I bought one and outfitted 15+ dudes with power weapons and still have a ton of power fists, LCs and storm shields lying around

>> No.56063360

Mars robot list:

Cawl, 2 cheapo engineseers

3 rangers units with 9 sniperinos

3 dunecrawlers

6 beep boops, 4 with dakka and 2 with fists.

>> No.56063364

>>56060932
http://newsthump.com/2016/10/26/man-signals-his-sexual-availability-with-games-workshop-carrier-bag/
£5 a bag now lads, GET EM WHILST STOCKS LAST

>> No.56063365

>>56063297

>Still not penetration with AV10
>Just glancing.
I already explained why I used the word penetrate

>Glancing used to represent getting hit so much that it can't function properly
When?
Heavy stubbers have been able to glance a Russ to destruction since 3ED.
Even in 7ED where vehicles were tougher, it was possible to do it in one round of shooting.

Why are you arguing the rules after just saying the rules don't matter?

>> No.56063368

>>56062444

well the stealthsuit looks like its made of ice, which is pretty awesome if true.

So that's easy. Reuseable Blue Stuff, make a mold for the suit, fill with water and stick in freezer.

>> No.56063372

>>56063291
Bright lances can very easily one shot russes

Also I don’t think 8th edition game mechanics are a good place to start discussing real world capabilities considering a nuclear missile launched from a mobile platform will only kill 3.5 conscripts on average

>> No.56063375

>>56063360
Just a standard burger list.

>> No.56063376

>>56063364
Why is he so grumpy?

>> No.56063382

>>56062718
>>56063251
>>56063332
You pay for tervigons spawning new units, tervigons spawning squad members to refill a squad does not cost points

>> No.56063402

>>56063230
Rangers with Plascals isn't really a superb idea, although it can work, but he has too many squads. If he's just running a Batt he can run just three squads and save points for more Dragoons and general helpful stuff. Alternatively snip a Dragoon or something out as well as some plascals and start a second Batallion for more Enginseers fixan things and enough CP to burn on making those squads of chickens and Onagers powerful.

>> No.56063403

>>56063376
Because his testicles are cold and on display to the world

>> No.56063408

>>56063230
>>56063360
Why is the formatting on these lists so shit what the fuck

>> No.56063409

>>56063372
5.25

>> No.56063419

>>56062647
oh hey its my other 2 dunecrawlers.

>> No.56063420

>>56063291

>Eldar empire which rules for 60 million years
"Ruled" in quotation marks

>and reached the pinnacle of technology has a standart ranged anti-tank weapon
No, if anyone, that would be the Necrons

>That anti tank weapon has a chance to penetrate the frontal armor of a leman russ though that chance is not a big one.
Eldar don't even have most of their pre-fall tech anymore.
Deldar do, but hopefully I don't need to explain that situation to you.

>An imbecile like you is suggesting an vehicle which can shrugg off the main anti tank weapon of a race which lived for 60 million years is worse than one that was made before the invention of mobile phones.
Eldar just suck at AT.
Meanwhile, Necrons can kill Russes from the front with their standard infantry weapons, because they actually have high tech shit.

>Here is your (you) now fuck off.
>>>being mad that fantasy stuff sucks

>> No.56063424

>>56063365
Because you started using game mechanics.
Glance=/=Penetration
You know it, i know it, /k/ knows it
Asshole

>> No.56063429

>>56063372
Discussing a lore-wise issue through any edition gameplay mechanics are retarded.
American imbeciles for some reason love to invade every form of media and masturbate their dicks on imaginary universes.

>> No.56063430

>>56063271
>3" range
>-1 to shooting only
>No fighting capability of its own
>Easily cracked open by snipers
>Next cheapest HQ doesn't even cost 20 more points
>Making this unit cost more than a Hive Tyrant is somehow not killing its viability

>> No.56063444

>>56063364
>AoS player doesn't get dates
Yeah because he has shit taste in women just like in games

>> No.56063453

Khorne anon from last night here who was asking questions about how to get shit across the field. Still not used to playing an army with only 3 units that have any ranged. I still feel like even with 60 Bloodletters i am never going to be able to make it to Close combat since they mostly only have a 5+ invuln

>> No.56063460

>>56063364
>age of sigmar

The hammer blow was so good that it was felt through the foundations of my home.

>> No.56063461

>>56063420
>being this absolutely stuck in the lore faithfulness of 7th edition
>brightlances suck at penetrating heavy armor but gauss rifles are hot shit
End this meme

>> No.56063468

>>56063376
Because he knows he won't have a 100$ miniature of himself for 40k.

>> No.56063477

>>56062907
into your asshole
repeatedly

>> No.56063478

>>56063424

>Glance=/=Penetration
I guess heavy stubbers destroy Russes without even penetrating them somehow, huh?
What an incredibly stupid argument.

>> No.56063486

>>56063430
>3" range
Its a radius so its huge. Also it buffs units not models

>> No.56063487

>>56063420
You are either a complete and utter moron or baiting successfully. In either case there is no reason to reply to your shitposts.

>> No.56063495

>>56063430

>3" to the nearest model which is basically your entire army if you know how to deploy
>Surrounded by things you don't want to assault and reduces effectiveness of shooting massively
>Doesn't need to fight, just surround it and if your gaunts finish a unit off near it your whole army gets re roll 1s

>> No.56063497

>>56063382
Bullshit.
FAQs don't even mention tervs other than to say that they can replenish adrenal glands and secondary wargear in existing units.

They give you a free unit every turn.

>> No.56063502

>>56063461
>7th edition
Try most pre-8th editions

>> No.56063525

>>56063478
Intentionally forgetting what glancing a tank to death meant

Ok.jpg
As someone already explain, it meant breaching the guns, fucking up the engine, destroying the tracks, etc etc.

I didn't meant tank blowing up (all though it was fun when it happen) you are using abstraction as a proof.

It would be like a modern tank getting destroy by a pistol in a bolt action.

>> No.56063528

>>56063487
>has no argument
>gets mad
>posts how mad he is just so I can know it
lol okay then

>>56063429
>being so obsessed with America that everyone you disagree with must be American
What's it like being so envious all the time?

>> No.56063540

>>56063430
>3" range
On a big base that units can daisy-chain to be in range of
>-1 to shooting only
Oh nooooooo, it's only literally better than some faction traits because it isn't range dependent and you've got fearless chaff to make sure deep strikers can't engage anything you don't want them to
>No fighting capability of its own
Typical for sub-100pt HQs
>Easily cracked open by snipers
The cunt has 9 wounds, snipers take forever to kill it.
>Next cheapest HQ doesn't even cost 20 more points
So? It doesn't provide a highly relevant bubble buff.
>Making this unit cost more than a Hive Tyrant is somehow not killing its viability
Hive Tyrants aren't 9 wound characters that provide a significant buff just by existing

>> No.56063548

>>56063502
>implying 3rd through 7th aren't all basically the same thing and can safely be lumped together in one giant shitheap
As expected from a deluded oldhammer faggot

>> No.56063550

>>56063528
(You)

The trying to hard. Maybe add a cheetah

>> No.56063551

>>56063497
>They give you a free unit every turn.
New units always cost Reinforcement points, it's literally in the Reinforcement point rules.

>> No.56063559

>>56062444
>>56062459
There was a recastor, that sold them, but they've been shut down, it seems.

http://www.ozdestro.com/blog/not-failcast-clear-tau-stealth-suits-review

>> No.56063573

>>56063525

I can see from your post that you're only familiar with 5E rules, where a destroyed result wasn't on the glancing hit table.

>> No.56063585

what would be a way to shelter attacking tyranids as opposed to sheltering a gunline?

>> No.56063586

>>56063360
I thought you had to have 10 rangers in the squad before you could have 3 aquebus.

>> No.56063593

>>56063548

>doesn't know how different editions changed how glancing hits worked
>is DK enough to post about it anyway
lmao, nice one

>> No.56063599

Has anyone had any success recasting bits with blue stuff? I need some more blasters in my life, but they tend to be pricey online.

>> No.56063603

>>56063540
>The cunt has 9 wounds, snipers take forever to kill it.
Also Toughness 5, also the Snipers have to deal with the -1 to hit, and also have fun trying to shoot with your snipers when your entire army is locked in combat by turn 2 against nids, maybe turn 3 if you're lucky, while biovore artillery is just shitting automatic mortal wounds on them from out of LoS every turn and even if they miss the Spore Mines just spawn next to them and you need to waste sniper shots on those or they still kill you.

>> No.56063608

>>56063586
He does. 6 dudes, 3 snipers, champion.

>> No.56063609

>>56061082
This was the most horrifingly true thing I've heard in days.

>> No.56063610

>>56063573
Stop. I grew with 3rd anyone with have a brain understood how glancing didn't meant exploding tanks and just a game mechanic.

Like 8th having anti air flamers.

>> No.56063617

>>56063593
>vehicles worked a little differently in each edition
>this means they are different enough to justify setting apart from rulesets such as 2nd or 8th
(You)

>> No.56063642

>>56063551
I'm a bit confused with how that works with the "if a unit isn't deployed by turn three it's destroyed" rule. So that means units like Pink horrors essentially become huge point sinks if they're not killed by turn three?

>> No.56063650

>>56062857
>The Russ would be outranged by over a laughable amount, be unable to shoot accurately as it got into range, and if it ever somehow did, the Abrams would retreat at 40 mph while firing accurately behind it.

You do realize that tabletop ranges aren't on scale, otherwise you'll have to play in a room size table?

>> No.56063664

>>56063603
>>56063540
Don't forget most nid lists run like 3 of them so even if you manage to snipe one by the time it hasn't already saved enough hits to make back its cost, which would require investing 4x the points in snipers, you're still shit out of luck.

If it weren't for the fact that most of the Nid index was shit it would be a lot more clear how OP Malanthropes are. They just make up the difference.

>> No.56063665

>>56063599

i just got 50 or so from china, cost like 10p each.

Alternatively there are some on pop goes the monkey

>> No.56063674

>>56063610
Obviously not, or you wouldn't be wording things so foolishly.
Explodes was a result on the pen table, and destroyed was a result on the glance table.
Pen had different destroyed results than glance.
So stop talking about a tank "exploding" because that's a very different result.

You still have no answer for how a stubber glances a russ to destruction without penetrating it.
Because you obviously can't answer it, because its a retarded thing to say.
So you've just been changing the subject over and over to avoid coming to terms with being wrong and talking shit without thinking.

>> No.56063676

>>56063642
So you have no idea what reinforcement points are?

>> No.56063679

>>56063650
More like football fields

There are couple of faggots here that are being dense mother fuckers mixing concepts and mechanics to defend a shit American tank that had trouble with sand

>> No.56063680

>>56063642
No, deploying a unit in reserve is not the same as creating a new unit.

>> No.56063682

>>56063650
He does, he's just baiting.

Post Russes. Best tank.

>> No.56063683

>>56063650
He is talking about the fact that most leman russes engage from about 1KM and less, compared to the modern MBT which can often start to engage and engage accurately from around 2KM to 2.5KM

>> No.56063698

>>56061667
>tyranid head on a banner
Calgar?

>> No.56063707

>>56063617
Yes, certainly I must be the retarded one for excluding editions where the thing I'm talking about isn't the case.

>> No.56063711

>>56062772
>in almost every possible scenario.

Gw seems to think that people don't use points for literally every game ever. In a Powel Level game or a pure open play match it's a very good stratagem. Too bad those don't exist.

>> No.56063719

Anyone has a mega for old specialist games?
Necromunda in particular.

>>56061048
Have faith, anon.

>> No.56063722

>>56061380
Autarch with power sword
Bonesinger
Farseer with singing spear
Also some dices to get free shipping cause I was getting ripped off otherwise. God

>> No.56063732

>>56063665
Ebay or one of the intermediary sites like Ali

>> No.56063743

>>56063603
>>56063603

that fucking -1 to hit is INSANE. Giving ig to 60 gaunts fucking pisses me off. And the tervigon, and the dude that shoots 12 shots if he stands still (exocrant or something?)

makes me salty as a shooty army
tau

>> No.56063757

>>56063650
Please stop responding to baits.

>> No.56063773

>>56063683
Writers have no sense of scale. What is new? Anybody that read an actual measurement from a 40k media and look and the actual number instead of just reading it as "a lot" it's retarded. This is also valid for the majority of sci-fi literature and a lot of fantasy one.

>> No.56063779

So when are we going to retcon ynnari out of the fluff?

>> No.56063788

>>56063779

Why would you want the only interesting/tactical army in the game removed?

>> No.56063804

>>56063486
I don't deny the -1 to shooting is good, but it's not the be all end all people make it out to be. Flamers will still fuck you up, melee will still fuck you up, and if you lose your Malanthrope you can kiss that Synapse goodbye. And the amount of units you can stack inside of the aura is still not a staggeringly high amount.

>>56063495
>3" to the nearest model which is basically your entire army if you know how to deploy
What army composition does this? How small is your army that this is something that happens?
>Surrounded by things you don't want to assault and reduces effectiveness of shooting massively
-1 which doesn't even stack with other debuffs. And the -1 still won't save your ass from massed fire or flamers.
>Doesn't need to fight, just surround it and if your gaunts finish a unit off near it your whole army gets re roll 1s
Who the fuck will allow you to ever trigger that? You literally need to be within an inch to do that.

>>56063540
>On a big base that units can daisy-chain to be in range of
When did 60mm become big?
>Oh nooooooo, it's only literally better than some faction traits because it isn't range dependent and you've got fearless chaff to make sure deep strikers can't engage anything you don't want them to
Better than something factions get for free which requires a points investment that can be taken out and requires you to plan out deployments to use effectively.
>Typical for sub-100pt HQs
Didn't say it wasn't, just pointing out it's literally useless without support.
>The cunt has 9 wounds, snipers take forever to kill it.
I've never seen it take longer than 2 turns once in range.
>So? It doesn't provide a highly relevant bubble buff.
Rerolls for Warriors and Shrikes are quite decent, and it's still giving cheap Synapse.
>Hive Tyrants aren't 9 wound characters that provide a significant buff just by existing
Malanthropes aren't Psykers that can quickly move across the board, have combat viability and a 5++.

>> No.56063805

is a scion starter box a good addition to my ad mech army?

>> No.56063814

>>56063773

>Writers have no sense of scale.
Hence why Russes are actually trash compared to IRL
They should do better than modern tanks logically, but their design makes them terrible.
The writers basically just copied WWI designs because they look cool.

>> No.56063834 [DELETED] 

>>56063805
hang yourself with barbed wire and fuck off nigger

>> No.56063838

>>56063814
>Anybody that does X it's retarded
>Look at me doing X!

>> No.56063846

>>56063674
People have responded you already

Glancing hits.

Gun breaches, dead engine, tracks destroy, crew unconscious, etc.
You are being intentionally dense

>> No.56063854

>>56063838

No idea who you've confused me with or what you think my argument is, but your post makes no sense.

>> No.56063861

>>56063603
Your entire army shouldn't be locked completely in combat unless you're playing Eldar with shitty placement. And the other stuff isn't even from the Malanthropes. That's just other Nid units.

>> No.56063872

>>56063846
Glancing hits included all of those things, but also outright destroying the tank.
Calling me dense while you have no idea what you're saying is just embarrassing yourself.

>> No.56063878

>>56063804
>>56063804

My buddy that I play with that has a list, basically:

2 tervigons
3 units of 3 hive guard
60 gaunts (20 with the 18" assault 3 gun and 10 w/o)

2 malenthropes

1 exocrant

some deep strikers to take on back line

List has been fucking hard as shit to beat. Between the tervigons shitting out 20 gaunts (either 1 round the unit or forget it), the -1 to hit, the mortal wounds on snipe, the 9 st 8 ap -2 d3 36" LOS/Cover ignoring shots, its a tough fucking list to crack. I play Tau so my deep striking bullshit for killing his heavies are bubbled wrapped to fuck...not saying its unbeatable be fuck its a tough as fuck fight, because the synergy is unreal.

>> No.56063884

>>56063719
I have one.
Once the stubber can melt wet paper fucker admits he is a (you) whore.
I'll share it.

>> No.56063895

>>56063743
>tau
I think your problem is less on the Tyranids in that instance.

>> No.56063903

>>56063878

thats 2 units of gaunts 20 with the good gun and 10 without

>> No.56063905

This has been posted already but I've got a still unanswered question, how far does Imperium records go? This Tech Priest has access to obviously inaccurate WWII records but that's still amazing considering after all this time diagrams and specifications have been preserved.
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/10/25/the-history-of-the-imperium-tanks-of-old-terra/

>> No.56063906

>>56063805
Personally I'd convert some Skitarii into Baskilion air-drop specialists instead of mixing styles like that, but the idea is sound. Dropping a couple squads of meltas onto big stuff helps with the lackluster rate of fire of Dunecrawlers significantly. DCs have superb damage, but you need to lock onto one thing with all of them for reliable kills and often you lack that kind of clear target priority.

>> No.56063910

>>56063854
>Anybody that read an actual measurement from a 40k media and look and the actual number instead of just reading it as "a lot" it's retarded

You proceeded to do that exact thing in your answer. Guess what it says about your mental faculties?

>> No.56063920

>>56063872
>crew is unconscious
>the tank is effectively "destroy" for that battle
>this some how means tank blew up
You dense mother fucker

>> No.56063921

>>56063895
>>56063895

i wasn't around for 7th, so I didnt get to be blueberries when we were turbo op waac fags

>> No.56063925

Do i have to pay for the 2 bloodletters that attend the skull cannon? How about the ones on the Blood Throne? It says that wargear is included into the cost but i dont know if that means the models also.

>> No.56063928

PEOPLE NEED TO STOP RESPONDING TO BAIT

>> No.56063943

>>56063878
I play a list similar to that at my LGS all the time. I actually only roughly break even with my opponents. I'm thinking this has more to do with your army choice than your friend's list.

>> No.56063958

>>56063905
It's the Admech. They have that information and their autism is actually extremely helpful with preserving accurate historical records, but I doubt that they share it with anyone and they're going to concentrate primarily on engineering and specification data because that's their religious duty. They probably have a hell of a lot of history books, but they never really bother to look them up unless they need to for something like the RegStand article and most probably wouldn't be allowed viewing.

>> No.56063959

>>56063804
>Flamers will still fuck you up
Not really, they're bad for the points

>melee will still fuck you up
>melee fucking up Tyranids
If this is happening to you, you're a shit nid player writing shit lists

>and if you lose your Malanthrope you can kiss that Synapse goodbye
This is true of every fucking synapse creature, of which Malanthropes are by far, BY FAR, the most survivable for their points.

>> No.56063962

>>56063910
Oh, so you think the post I replied to is my own?
Because that's the only way that anything I said could be considered contradictory.
Well it wasn't. I was replying to another person's post.

btw I don't think it bodes well for your own mental faculties to be making assumptions like that

>> No.56063973

>>56063921
That's the point. Aside from Commander spam, you guys are literally Cron tier.

>> No.56063980

>>56063921
I've been playing Tau since 4th, playing the game overall since 3rd. People will hate on Tau because they're Tau at this point, whether it's people who think they don't fit the fluff despite being in the game for the majority of the game's existence at this point or people who assume you're some WAACfag just for playing them.

>> No.56063986

>>56063804

I'm just going on what happens when i play vs the tyranid player in my group. He runs 2 Tervigons, 60 gaunts with a malanthrope in the middle, 2 hive tyrants and a bunch of other beasties.

last time i played him with my ynarri i killed a flying testical he was using to prevent deepstrike near his malanthrope spawning Yncarne. Even with 3 flyers, 3 ravagers and 3 skyweavers i couldn't kill a single tervigon because of the -1 to hit allowing me to trigger soulburst and smite the malanthrope dead.

Later on after 3 units of harlequins and a solitaire made it into combat, a death leaper finished off the solitaire who was trying to stab the malanthrope dead giving them all re-roll 1s.

that was end of turn 4, his malanthrope had successfully evaded death and neutralised my shooting all game. He conceded however as the Yncarne was flying around 1 shotting his big creatures, a troupe master had legged it with the relic and the troupes had slaughtered all the gaunts.

>> No.56063999

>>56063973
>>56063973

b-b-but dont crons have reanimation protocols?

>> No.56064014

>>56063959
>Not really, they're bad for the points
Depends on the army, but I've seen them be used to decent effect.
>If this is happening to you, you're a shit nid player writing shit lists
Not every unit is Trousertakers and Swarmlords.
>This is true of every fucking synapse creature, of which Malanthropes are by far, BY FAR, the most survivable for their points.
Broodlords and Swarmlords are far hardier from my experience.

>> No.56064027

>>56063962
It's pathetic really

>> No.56064031

>>56063920
>>crew is unconscious
>>the tank is effectively "destroy" for that battle
>>this some how means tank blew up

Alright, so english obviously isn't your first language, so I'll explain this simply.

First of all, the crew being knocked unconscious could easily be an interpretation of a crew stunned result.
Secondly, a crew cannot be knocked unconscious by a heavy stubber allegedly failing to penetrate their tank
Thirdly, the tank is explicitly destroyed, as per the rules. "mark it with cotton wool smoke or remove it from play altogether"
Fourthly, a tank exploding isn't the only way a tank can be destroyed. Despite what I'm sure you've seen in video games, most tanks destroyed in action don't actually explode, so stop using the word "explodes" when you're taking about a tank being destroyed. Those are two very different things both IRL and in game.

>> No.56064037

>>56062444

You buy silicon, make a mold, use clear resin to cast, use pressure to remove bubbles or shake it to remove. Watch some re-cast stuff on youtube, you can cast pretty much anything if you have the materials needed.

We used to do our own casts in metal back in the day, Worked pretty good, also did a bit of resin work (if I remember correctly we did like 20-30 copies of the old storm troopers from the few original that we owned), and apart from a bit more work, the models looked pretty damn solid.

>> No.56064050

>>56064027
Ah, smug reaction images because you can't make an argument.
Well done.

>> No.56064070

>>56063999
The enemy cannot reanimate if you remove his unit from the board.

>> No.56064085

>>56064031
>mark with cotton
Ok you are actually an idiot or a massive try hard shitposter. No one has such a hard time understanding abstraction

>> No.56064092

>>56063986
>I'm just going on what happens when i play vs the tyranid player in my group. He runs 2 Tervigons, 60 gaunts with a malanthrope in the middle, 2 hive tyrants and a bunch of other beasties.
Sounds killable enough.

>last time i played him with my ynarri i killed a flying testical he was using to prevent deepstrike near his malanthrope spawning Yncarne. Even with 3 flyers, 3 ravagers and 3 skyweavers i couldn't kill a single tervigon because of the -1 to hit allowing me to trigger soulburst and smite the malanthrope dead.
Sounds more like bad rolls than anything else.

>Later on after 3 units of harlequins and a solitaire made it into combat, a death leaper finished off the solitaire who was trying to stab the malanthrope dead giving them all re-roll 1s.
Deathleaper killed something. Seriously? I'm starting to doubt this game's authenticity.

>that was end of turn 4, his malanthrope had successfully evaded death and neutralised my shooting all game. He conceded however as the Yncarne was flying around 1 shotting his big creatures, a troupe master had legged it with the relic and the troupes had slaughtered all the gaunts.
So you still won and were chewing through his army with the Yncarne. What was the problem there?

>>56063999
Sadly Necrons got shafted super hard.

>> No.56064111

>>56064085

Explain to me how the crew is knocked unconscious by heavy stubber rounds bouncing off the tank, and it then begins smoking or disappears.

>> No.56064118

>>56062629
Primarchs with plot armour don't count

>> No.56064119

>>56063905
I've seen reference going back to at least the 16th century.

>> No.56064124

>>56063925
the crew are included when you buy the skullcannon

>> No.56064142

>>56064050
When talking with retards arguments are useless. It's like the old story about trying to play chess with a pidgeon.

Everything you said denotes that you are probably pic related. An actual argument wuold be wasted and you'll probably respond with something that has nothing to do with it. What I have is a suggestion of removing the crayon from your brain, not trying to argue with people when basic sentences are beyond your grasp.

>> No.56064154

>>56063905
Did the team looking into the legions get blammed for learning forbidden Horus Heresy events or for the missing 2 legions?

>> No.56064162

>>56063905
>Attacking the enemy with a cavalry sabre from the turret hatch would be all but impossible due to its awkward position, even if the crew drove the officer very close.

They did it, the absolute madmen.

>> No.56064207

>>56064124
okay. i just didnt know since some things you have to pay for the crew and some things you dont so i just assumed it was yes i pay for the crew also.

>> No.56064210

>>56064142

Actually I very clearly understand what your mistake was.
I've just been hoping you would elaborate more so I could catch you out, without having to explain your argument myself and give you room to backpedal.
If you're actually so confident in your argument, then explain what it is in detail.

>inb4 you don't

>> No.56064212

>>56063986
So basically you won even with your opponent playing the Malanthrope in a game where everything went in favour of your opponent.

What are you whining for? That your victory wasn't easier? Eldar player people.

>> No.56064221

>>56064154
There's a link to FW Horus Heresy stuff, guess.

>> No.56064241

>>56064210
Did you just said that you are only pretending to be retarded? Seriously?

>> No.56064262

>>56064092

>Sounds killable enough
It was in melee, not in shooting. He took a bunch of other stuff but that was what he kept in the -1 bubble.

>bad rolls
I rolled a shitload of 3s, which as dark elder are hits but obviously -1 fucked that. I don't have access to re rolls in my army so that wasn't so much of an issue

>deathleaper
He pounced after the solitaire had taken 4 wounds already, it died shortly after by a troupe master.

>Still won
I won because he conceded, he still had 10-20 gene stealers moving across the board, 2 mawlocs and a tervigon on the board so i don't know why. That wasn't my point anyway, my point was the malanthrope was mvp because i had to commit nearly 500pts of harlequins in the effort to remove it whilst it reduced my shootings effectiveness dramatically. I was originally responding to your "the malanthrope isn't that good"

>> No.56064271

>>56064162
I have to ask: Why can't we give a tank a Power Sword yet? I had the same problem with not being able to give my Tank Commander the Wrath of Cadia last edition; It's stupid, but hilarious and should certainly be an OPTION!

>> No.56064299

>>56064241
Nope, nice try though.
I can already see you trying to backpedal out of this, so let me be perfectly clear.
I was posting in a way to try and get you to outright state your full argument, because I had already identified where you were wrong, but I wanted you to explain it yourself so you couldn't backpedal out of that argument.
It has nothing to do with "pretending to be retarded". All I was pretending was that I didn't already know what mistake you made.

Now post your argument.

>> No.56064302

>>56064118
>Primarchs with plot armour don't count
so none of them?

>> No.56064368

>>56064212

who's whining? i was jus showing it was a significant and great unit. guy i was responding to said it wasn't that great.

>> No.56064395

>>56064262
>It was in melee, not in shooting. He took a bunch of other stuff but that was what he kept in the -1 bubble.
And yet you still managed to thrash what seemed to be most of his army. If you know he's bringing Nids, why didn't you make a more melee-oriented list?

>I rolled a shitload of 3s, which as dark elder are hits but obviously -1 fucked that. I don't have access to re rolls in my army so that wasn't so much of an issue
Like I said, bad rolls.

>He pounced after the solitaire had taken 4 wounds already, it died shortly after by a troupe master.
Alright, that makes far more sense. Still don't know how you let it happen, though.

>I won because he conceded, he still had 10-20 gene stealers moving across the board, 2 mawlocs and a tervigon on the board so i don't know why.
He conceded because there's no way he could come back with those units.

>That wasn't my point anyway, my point was the malanthrope was mvp because i had to commit nearly 500pts of harlequins in the effort to remove it whilst it reduced my shootings effectiveness dramatically. I was originally responding to your "the malanthrope isn't that good"
You were forced to think about your strategy a bit more, but still basically bruteforced your way through and won regardless. And I never said the Malanthrope wasn't good, just not as strong as people seem to keep trying to make it out to be.

>> No.56064401

>>56064299
Yeah, it's all part of your brilliant tactic to force someone on the internet to admit he's wrong. Of course you are such a smart individual to spend your time tricking strangers into admitting your mental superiority.

Meanwhile, I'm just making fun of you.

>> No.56064402

>>56063884
I'm sorry, what?

>> No.56064415

>>56064111
Abstraction

>> No.56064427

>Buy some prebuilt eldar off ebay
>The guy had glued nickles to the bases
I like it! Makes everything including guardians feel weighty. Might go back and do it for some of my AdMech

>> No.56064434

>>56064401
>too scared to explain his argument
>hides behind smug reaction images
Just as predicted.
Gotta protect that ego somehow I guess.

>> No.56064439

>>56064368
Then sorry, I must have mixed you with some guy that claimed they need to be nerfed.

They are without doubt a great unit, they are also the only thing keeping Tyranids afloat.

I'm still going to call you a faggot for playing eldar though

>> No.56064453

>>56064427
are the coins magnetic?

>> No.56064456

>>56064434
It helps many units which have shitty balancing, I need to do that for my harlies.

>> No.56064460

>>56064415
That was the abstraction you gave.
How does it make any sense?
And how do the rounds penetrating the tank and destroying it/killing the crew not make sense?

>> No.56064475

>>56064427
If you had a nickle for each one of those weighty models how many nickles would you have?

>> No.56064485

>>56064427
Are you saying you didn't already do that for your army normally?

>> No.56064497

>>56064434
Dude there is a difference between being scared and not wanting to pander to retards and instead just laughting at them.

But of course I'm not expecting a retard to know that.

>> No.56064519

>>56064395

I didn't thrash him at all, all i had left was the yncarne, a troupe master, 2-3 troupe and a razorwing jet fighter. He had plenty left in him.

There wasn't much room for tactics as we were playing the relic. I didn't tailor my list vs him because he's a friend and he could quite easily have brought Guard or Grey Knights, i left it up to him.

>> No.56064531

>>56064427
just use thick super glue and metal BBs instead

>> No.56064550

>>56064439

I accept your apology and insult, if its any less insulting I only played dark elder til the last 3 weeks.

>> No.56064555

>>56064497
If you just want to "laugh at me, as you claim (we both know you haven't laughed once, so idk why you'd pretend),
you would be delighted to post your argument, so you could easily dismantle my refutation, and have even more to laugh at.
The fact that you weren't even smart enough to think of that counter to your backpedaling speaks volumes.

>> No.56064569

>>56064460
Because... Abstraction

You are hell bent in trying to justify a sling throwing a rock is the reason why something stop working.

When the fucking game is a bloody D6 system.

>> No.56064610

>>56064519
He had 2 Mawlocs, a Gauntless Tervigon and a handful of Genestealers. There was no way he could've killed you before you struck him down or time ran out. As for tactics, there's plenty involved in relic games. Last one I played in I outmaneuvered 3 armies and played keepaway with Celestine after looking like I'd been knocked out of the running.

>> No.56064628

>>56064453
I think he just super glued them in
>>56064475
30 nickles? Mabye 40?
>>56064485
Never occured to me but some of the models I got are old so the nickles make them feel around the same weight.

>> No.56064644

>>56064555
Giving you an argument would be just giving you some validation. I find way funnier to see you continuing to reach for it. What's more insulting? To prove you wrong or considering you so much an ape you're not even worth discussing with? I think we both know.

>> No.56064661

>>56064569
So you have no argument, reasoning, or logic as to why heavy stubber rounds destroying a Russ don't actually penetrate its armor.
You have absolutely no indication from the rules why this would be the case, no grounds at all by which to come up with this "abstraction",
and you're incorrectly calling it an abstraction, because you have a faltering grasp on what that word means in application. Got it.

>> No.56064673

>>56064628
Well, glad you got the idea in your head now.

>> No.56064689

>>56064550
Yeah, it is. Dark Eldar players are usually bro and I think harlequins + dark eldar it's the less faggoty way of playing Ynary.

still faggoty thought

>> No.56064692

What is with the number of "I'm Smarter than you" Retards floating around today?

>> No.56064706

>>56064555
oh my god, this is so tryhard its hilarious

>> No.56064707

>>56064644
>Giving you an argument would be just giving you some validation.
Empty meaningless non-argument.

>I find way funnier to see you continuing to reach for it.
We both know you have absolutely no enjoyment from this, and are just trying desperately to preserve your ego.
You have a deep fear that i will expose holes in your thinking, and therefore will not under any circumstances present an argument.

>What's more insulting? To prove you wrong or considering you so much an ape you're not even worth discussing with?
Presumably this entire conversation, particularly the beginning, doesn't count as discussion to your delusion of reality.

>> No.56064727

>>56064628
For some models it's basically a necessity. Have you ever tried to make Hormagaunts not fall over?

>> No.56064728

>>56064610

You the SoB dude from the GT who cheesed celestine with the relic? There was no need to outmanoeuvre he was trying to blitz me.

Anyway what was anecdotal evidence of the effectiveness of a malanthrope has turned into a discussion that is irrelevant, gonna go paint some more harlequins, bye bye

>> No.56064755

>>56064728
No, but I'm interested in hearing about it.

Anyway, enjoy painting your Harlequins.

>> No.56064795

>>56064755

SoB player who finished in the top 15 of heat 1 was on here the other day, he claimed the relic with celestine then she died and he spawned her in the corner of the table still holding there relic.

Something like 6 tournament assistants couldn't find a reason why it was illegal so he won based on that.

>> No.56064823

>>56064661
Anon you are pushing game mechanics way too hard

It is like in FoW a bloody pistol popping a a T-34.

>> No.56064846

>>56064823
That's actually a totally separate issue from what I'm talking about.
Don't change the subject.

>> No.56064856

>>56064673
I mean it seems obvious now, but I got into 40k with admech so everything was plastic and I never had to deal with Metal/Resin models.
>>56064727
Ya I could see that being a huge pain.

>> No.56064875

>>56064795
Wow. Hilarious, but not what I did. Thanks for the info.

>> No.56064889

>>56064707
>We both know you have absolutely no enjoyment from this, and are just trying desperately to preserve your ego.
You have a deep fear that i will expose holes in your thinking, and therefore will not under any circumstances present an argument.

Wow, projecting much? What a sad, pathetic man would have to be one whose ego is reliant of not being proved wrong on an anonymous kazakh cave painting mailing list?

The totality of my thinking is that you are an assblasted retard. Go find a hole in that. Protip: it's huge, red and burning hot.

>> No.56064899

>>56064856
Yeah, I can see that. Admech's on the low end of WMS occurences.

>> No.56064902

>>56064795
The model is not slain. In anyway when the revive mechanic happens.

Reach 0 wounds? Oh fancy that let me redeploy with full wounds.
What is that? 8th so badly implemente that no one bother to check rules interaction?
They are still doing it with new releases?
Oh boy what a lovely game with have now.

Granted it is more beer and pretzels than before but come one if GW a tournament at least bother to revise rules interaction from the models from one of your best selling kits.

>> No.56064909

>>56061674
Khornate.

>> No.56064941

>>56064707
>>56064889
is it bad that I'm enjoying spectating over this exchange?

>> No.56064958

>>56064846
It is the same thing. You are pushing game mechanics into saying machines guns destroy tanks.

WW2 machines guns can destroy heavy tanks too? Because the D6 mechanics allow it?
Oh wait spears can destroy/eliminate modern tanks just because the game mechanic does not consider different eras?

Stop being a retard and enjoy your plastic men annihilate overbudge modern tank

>> No.56064960

>>56064889
>Wow, projecting much?
Except I'm perfectly willing to make an argument, and you've been refusing for nearly an hour.
So that's kind of impossible for you to be right about, isn't it?

>> No.56064998

>>56064958

>It is the same thing.
No, saying you shouldn't use game mechanics when discussing a Russ, and making up nonsensical explanations for game mechanics are two very different things, and I'm not going to carry a conversation with a person incapable of understanding that.

>> No.56065001

>>56064846
Can you please admit you are wrong.

So anon can post old Necromunda

>> No.56065020

>>56064998
Fucked are you high? You have been going back and forth between mechanics, lore, and real tanks.

Just neck yourself already

>> No.56065023

Is it ego or autism?

>> No.56065038

This autism is unreal, why is this argument still going hasn't it been hours? Both of you just shut the fuck up already.

Leman Russ aren't fucking special, and proving that statement isn't fucking important. Goddamn.

>> No.56065096

>>56064902
>A model with the Relic cannot embark in a TRANSPORT, leave the battlefield, or move further than 9" in any single phase for any reason.

In order to place Celestine on the battlefield she needs to leave it. That's basic logic. The relic prevents her from respawning. If you argue that she doesn't leave the battlefield then she's moving, which she can't do further for that same reason. Also for the part about "don't remove her" Removing as a casualty =/= leaving the battlefield.

The fact that 6 torunament assistant didn't get this speak more for their stupidity than for 40k rules.

>> No.56065104

>>56065038
I want him to admit he is wrong. Once that is done we can have Necromunda stuff

>> No.56065125

>>56065104
Oh yay, fat niggeresses and shadow war armageddon's campaign rules.

>> No.56065162

>>56065104
So do you have autism or are you just a rampant egotist?

This thread needs purging.

>> No.56065182

>>56065104
He won't. Don't matter who's right.

>> No.56065183

Post favourite 40k art to down out the 2 idiots

>> No.56065184

>>56065096
>In order to place Celestine on the battlefield she needs to leave it. That's basic logic. The relic prevents her from respawning. If you argue that she doesn't leave the battlefield then she's moving, which she can't do further for that same reason. Also for the part about "don't remove her"
Read how Celestine respawns she is "placed" not moved.

Yes it's a retarded distinction. I find the whole argument BS

>> No.56065185

>>56065162
Nop just want the retard to admit his stupidity

I'm impress he continued to be wrong for long

>> No.56065197

>>56064960
Yeah. I explained pretty well why I'm not giving you an argument. But since you are an idiot I'll explain again.

Basically if I give you an argument you'll feel validated and smug. The fact that you'll pretend to find holes in it doesn't really matter, they'll be as retarded as your other posts, but you won't feel that way because the hallmark of a stupid is that he is not able to realize he's a stupid. In other words, I'll be making you happy.

However making you happy and validated goes against my interests, which are to have fun at you being angry and needing validation like a junkie needing a fix.

You want my argument so you can prove your intellectual superiority. I want to insult you and have fun at you. Someone here is reaching is goal. Probably it's not the retarded one.

>>56064941
I'm enjoyind doing it, so good for you.

>> No.56065203

>>56065096
She is not technically removed. But then again the relic rules would prevent her from moving more than 9"

GW is full of incompetence

>> No.56065217

>>56065183

>> No.56065221

>>56064960
>>56065197
Now kiss.

>> No.56065226

>>56065203
It doesn't count a a movement action, though.

>> No.56065230

>>56065184
As I said, you can't be placed on the battlefield if you are already on the battlefield. In order to be placed she need to leave the battlefield at least temporarly. Having the relic prevents you from leaving the battlefield in any way.

>>56065203
She is not removed as a casualty, she still leave the battlefield.

>> No.56065241

>>56065217
40k art, but okay.

>> No.56065245

>>56065226
Point is moot now. Till GW FAQ this crap the public ruling is Celestine has vore powers regarding relics

>> No.56065246

>>56065221
I want your argument for why should I do that before.

>> No.56065259

>>56065246
It'll be fun?

>> No.56065268

>>56065245
>Celestine swallows relics for safekeeping

>> No.56065278

How many Skull cannons is to many skull cannons?

>> No.56065289

>>56065278
One.

>> No.56065306

>>56065259
Sounds reasonable. What do you think anon? >>56064960 Want to find a hole in me?

>> No.56065347

>>56065230
>you can't be placed on the battlefield if you are already on the battlefield
Where does it say that?

>> No.56065353

>> No.56065387

>>56061674
Khornate Guard. Do it.

>> No.56065392

>>56065353
i don't think that's literall orks

>> No.56065406

>>56065347
It's basic logic. If you don't accept that as an answer then every jump pack unit can suddenly teleport every movement phase, as the ability Jump Pack Assault just says that at the end of the movement phase you can place them on the battlefield, without any limitation about needing to be out of the battlefield or being able to do that only once.

>> No.56065430

>>56065245
>>56065268
>swallow
>not inserts up her slick vag or down her sweaty, power armored bosom

>> No.56065439

>>56065392
Well think again.

>> No.56065462

>>56065439
that pic has nothing to do with orks. or rhodies probably

>> No.56065463

>>56065104
Why would he care? He isn't the one that requested it.

>> No.56065465

>>56065430
I personally find the image of Celestine swallowing a large relic whole to the disgust of her allies and non-Slaaneshi enemies before flipping them off and flying away funnier.

>> No.56065483

>>56065462
I don't think you're getting our point.

>> No.56065511

>>56065483
the original green text story is nowhere similar to any ork story. orks don't even directly scavenger imperial equipment like that

>> No.56065519

>>56065462
They dress like that to confuse bullets, you know.

>> No.56065538

>>56065353
Holy fucking shit my sides

>> No.56065555

>>56065511
You need to pick up an Ork Codex m8

>> No.56065576

>>56065555
i've played since 3rd edition. orks still haven't scavenged like that

>> No.56065577

>>56065511
>orks don't even directly scavenger imperial equipment like that

I need my vintage meme for this

>> No.56065610

>>56065511

>> No.56065620

>>56065577
nice reddit meme

>> No.56065623

>>56065353
>orks recover enemy rifles after each engagement
>orks keep finding rifles with the rear sight dialed in to the highest setting, practically fucking indirect fire
>orks are extremely confused by this
>eventually orks ask a prisoner about it during interrogation
>LITERALLY orks think that choosing the bigger number makes the gun shoot harder
literally orks.jpg

>> No.56065625

>>56065406
>It's basic logic.
That's where you fucked up. It IS basic logic, but that has no place here. It's basic logic (and RAI) that Celestine shouldn't be able to teleport with the relic.

>If you don't accept that as an answer then every jump pack unit can suddenly teleport every movement phase, as the ability Jump Pack Assault just says that at the end of the movement phase you can place them on the battlefield, without any limitation about needing to be out of the battlefield or being able to do that only once.
Except all those state that during deployment you may set them up in "in reserve" instead of placing them on the battlefield. At the end of your movement phase they may teleport to the battle / reveal their position / etc. which is probably covered in more detail in the brb's (think it's called) reinforcement section.

>> No.56065630

>>56065576
I can literally point to the Ork sculpts and pick out bolt pistols, bolters, lasguns, lascannons, heavy bolters, plasma cannons, heavy stubbers, melta weapons, flamethrowers.

not even including xenos weaponry

>> No.56065646

>>56065511
This can't be real.

>> No.56065649

>>56065630
orks scavenge but they don't scavenge "like that" as i said

>> No.56065665

>>56065576
You've played since "scavenge any imperium vehicle you want, give it bs2 and "don't touch that" and you can take it in your army" edition and are claiming Orks don't scavenge?

>> No.56065670

>>56065665
orks scavenge but they don't scavenge like said in that screencap

>> No.56065676

Nu thread link when?

>> No.56065693

>>56065511
0/10, not even subtle.

>> No.56065712

>>56065693
ORKS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

>> No.56065727

>>56061848
>6+++
The heck is that ? Is that how we are going to mark the new FNP ?

>> No.56065735

I would scavenge anything for dakka, but I wont scavenge that.

>> No.56065738

>>56065727
6+ is armor
6++ is invulnerable
6+++ is fnp or some other preventative measure. it's old

>> No.56065747

>>56065727
It's how we've been doing it for many years now.

>> No.56065768

>>56065712
Don't work what way? What, precisely, are you talking about?

>> No.56065773

>>56065625
If you go RAW that way then I can go RAW that way. And going RAW that way I can argue that it's not written anywhere that I must be in the teleportarium to teleport into battle or that I can do only once a game. Just that I can do it at the end of the movement phase. Compare to the teleport homer wording.

The rulebook section also just has limitations from what you can do after you set up, but none about when you can do that.

>> No.56065777

>>56065511

>> No.56065788

>>56065773
>>56065625
Forgotten pic

>> No.56065790

>>56065768
they don't pick up fallen enemy rifles and act confused when it comes to sights or ask prisoners about such sights

>> No.56065820

>>56065727
The third + is any save beyond invulnerable

>> No.56065828

>>56065773
Check the Reinforcement section in BRB. Believe it clarifies your "infinite redeployments"

Otherwise. Congratulations you found (another) whole in 8e (the most play tested edition). Go to a tournament with your cheese and get it FAQ'd

>> No.56065831

>>56065790
This has to be bait

>> No.56065849

>>56065828
Nope. Which make sense, as it cover things like the Grey Knight psichic power which allows a unit to redeploy each turn.

>> No.56065855

>>56065790
I think the prisoners are the orks

Also

>wot dis fing
>ITZ A TARGETER SQUIG WOTZ BUILT INTO THE SHOOTA CUZ UMIEZ A BUNCH A GITZ
>OI UMIE
>I SAID OI UMIE!!! WAKE UP!!! WOTZ DIS FING, ISSA TARGETER SQUIG ROIGHT?
>It's a fucking scope, you animals!

>> No.56065871

>>56065831
orks have looted vehicles but they don't give a fuck about enemy weapons in general as anything other than breeding ground for their own weapons. very much different from the proceeding of some african tribes which can find that the AK is very versatile

>> No.56065880

>>56065790
Wait, you think the Rhodesian army rather than the niggers were who was stated to be 'literal Orks' in the initial greentext story?

>> No.56065889

>>56065880
the word "literal" should be taken literally

>> No.56065894

>>56065790
>The Rhodesians are the Orks

>> No.56065927

>>56065889

>> No.56065946

>>56065894
So you see Motumbu, I lured stupid white men into close combat, to prove superiority of African king genes

>> No.56065953

sorry everyone i read that story wrong. not even my drunkness can take the fault for me. i won't say any more

>> No.56065961

>>56065889
Except that it can be used figuratively. All words can. Shocking right?

>> No.56065966

>>56065889
>hyperbole should be taken literally

>> No.56066003

>>56065961
>Shocking right?

Why would he be electrocuted by that?

>> No.56066025

>>56066003
Ok this made me literally laught

>> No.56066033

>>56066003
We wouldn't we would be shocked in this scenario however I can see no reason to be shocked

>> No.56066203

>>56065406
>>56065230
>>56065096
>>56065203

Autism speaks? More like autism won't just shut the fuck up for five goddamn minutes.

>> No.56066425

>>56061196
This is fucking good

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