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Sleeper edition

Previously: >>55989827

>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their decks strategy and card choices.

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the the internet.

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commanders color identity.


>Official search site. Current for all sets.

>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.

>Thread question
What commander were you not expecting much out of, only to be surprised/impressed with their performance?

>> No.56013129
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Not exactly low expectations, but I didn't expect it to play like a storm / combo deck that regularely won turn 4-5

>> No.56013153


Been brewing this one for a couple weeks now. I initially had 46 lands like a friggin' dingus but playtesting after that tweak has yielded positive results.

>> No.56013273

>play like a storm / combo deck that regularely won turn 4-5
how the fuck

>> No.56013309


>> No.56013310
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>What commander were you not expecting much out of, only to be surprised/impressed with their performance?
this fucker right here. "discard your hand" is such a steep downside that i figured there was no way in hell this would be good.

jesus christ how wrong i was.

>> No.56013341

where can i buy old dominaria basics? there's tons of modern-era lands on ebay, but it seems like i can't find the right search terms for something like the urza block

>> No.56013345

>tfw malfegor madness / hellbent tribal

>> No.56013368

Give me a few minutes and I'll update my decklist, it's changed a lot since I first made it.

>> No.56013377

shit thats awesome.

>> No.56013408

Helps to know the collector number on the lands. If you use magiccards, just search up a basic, navigate down to the block you want, and go to the tcgplayer link

>> No.56013431
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Anyone got some fun Grenzo lists I could take a look at? I run Zada and it's getting stale, so I figured playing other people's decks and making them kill each other would add some much-needed spice to my table.

>> No.56013657

Its weird but looking at him now, I wonder if he would be more fun than Gonti as far as playing my opponents decks

>> No.56013839

You should consider exchanging meteor shower for comet storm. Same flavor, better card.

>> No.56013943


Higher potential number of cards you'll be playing from opponents decks but mono black is superior to mono red, that's the trade

>> No.56013970

red in general has the more fun effects though. i sure do love me some disrupt decorum.

>> No.56014032
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>put together a grixis pirates deck from what I have laying around
>mfw it all fits together flavorfully and perfectly
>there's all these cool options, like a fucking SKYSHIP
>and a pirate that throws monkeys at people
>and cool and strange artifacts that they might find in various island tombs / treasure vaults, like a blade that makes illusory copies of themselves, and a ring that gives you anything you want, three times.

I fucking love building this deck, anons.

>> No.56014076

>a pirate that throws monkeys at people

It's technically just the same monkey several times.

>> No.56014122


But seriously, this deck is so flavorful that it makes my head hurt.

>> No.56014203
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Got bored and updated my list. Added repeatable draw since people seemed to object to my not including it before.

Any other obvious cards I'm forgetting?

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>thread question

Pic. I figured even with Mirari and other copy engines it would still underperform but I ended up blowing everyone out of the water. But it still has nothing on my most beloved deck Gitrog

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Small creatures with modest draw effects on etb are potentially relevant in reanimator things like Meren or Alesha.

Pic related is one such reasonable inclusion.

>> No.56014321

>hedonist's trove

Greedy pirate bastards.

>underworld connections
no shit.

>the c17 curses
>curse of vengeance
There was always a curse involved in these things.

>devastation tide
>cyclonic rift
Storms at sea are unfortunate, but common.

>scourge of fleets
giant sea creature that eats the boat.

>ancient excavation
Digging up buried treasure!

>baleful strix
Every captain's got a pet of some sort.

>shifting loyalties
Pirates are greedy bastards.

>>>dark depths

The unknowable horrors of the deep.

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Also missing saguinmancy

>> No.56014349

I'm very curious as to why you want these. Are you brewing ANT and just filling it with ways to dig?

>> No.56014372

Thanks, anon. Didn't notice that one. I didn't include Parting Thoughts because it's ridiculously conditional.

Honestly? I was just bored and decided to make lists of good non-blue draw cards.

>> No.56014382

i just bought like a hundred old basics on ebay. i just search by expansion.

>> No.56014405
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Here's the list.

Basically, your first turns are setting up for a Sasaya flip, which requires you to have 7 lands in hand. That's the hard part.
You basically never play Sasaya until you have 7 lands in hand, and flip it instantly once you do.

Once Sasaya flips, every land you play drastically increases the amount of mana you have. One land drop typically nets you between 5-20 mana, so every untapped forest you have in play is crucial.
Use that mana to cast spells that put lands into play untapped, like Wood Elves, Nature's Lore, or Summer Bloom, each one will basically ramp you 10-30 mana.

With a draw engine in play, like Tireless Tracker, Recycle, Staff of Domination, Seer's Sundial, etc you can pretty much keep yourself going indefinitely until you hit a crucial combo piece.

If you have a card like Genesis Wave or Animist's Awakening you basically win on the spot, gaining +200 mana and triggering every landfall effect there is.
Cloudstone Curio also easily wins the game by bouncing cards like Eternal Witness and Wood Elves back and forth to generate infinite mana, Regal Force to draw all the cards in your deck, Magus of the Candelabra or Skyshroud Ranger with Concordant Crossroads also gives near unlimited mana, etc.

Win the game by casting Squall Line for +1000 with a Glacial Chasm in play, or just exiling all your opponents permanents.

The deck can probably be made much more streamlined, but I made it only last week, my playgroup already hates it.

>> No.56014578

i think you need a higher land count for consistency

and dryad arbor

>> No.56014613

I've been thinking the same, but I just can't for the life of me decide what is worth cutting.

I started at around 45 lands and took out lands when I put in cards that were essentially lands in disguise, like Traverse the Ulvenwald and Gatekeeper Vine.

I want the list to have around 40-42 lands

>> No.56014673

i feel like you could go with a lot fewer direct ramp cards and go balls deep in your "flip sasaya" plan.

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Help me /tg/! I have the urge to build a new deck but I can't settle on a commander, or even a color combination. I currently have slivers, Shirei, Kruphix, and Edgar Markov built. I'm not a huge fan of spellslinger decks, and I want to build something that won't have too much overlap with any of my previous decks.

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What other cards for well with this theme? (flavor, not mechanic)

>> No.56014712

I goldfished your deck like 5 or 6 times and the only time i got Sasaya to flip was a Sylan Library opener. You definitely need a higher land count.

>> No.56014716

So just cut Cultivate and Nature's Lore?

>> No.56014767

those two, skyshroud ranger, wood elves, summer bloom, and recycle are all decent cuts.

all those cards are good once you get sasaya to flip, but that's not a very common event with this current build

>> No.56014789

Yeah, flipping her can be a bit hard. Cards like Sylvan, Rites of Spring and Sprouting Vines are basically a must.

I can see Skyshroud and Recycle, but why Wood Elves and Summer Bloom? Reusing those is amazing and usually what lets me win after flipping.

>> No.56014790

cut harrow, not cultivate, cultivate is fine

>> No.56014813


what colors? For blue propaganda comes to mind instantly.

>> No.56014814

What, blatant racism? Not much.

>> No.56014847


>> No.56014851

You seem to enjoy creature-based strategies. More tribal decks, maybe?

>Inalla Wizards
>Beckett Brass Pirates
>Gishath Dinosaurs

You already have tribes for 5c and Mardu, so these all fit the bill for 'something different'. Wizards is inherently more combo-y, Pirates are just really cool, and Gishath is timmy.dec. Play big dude, swing big dude sideways.

>> No.56014859

Decklist now has 44 lands, see how flipping Sasaya is now.

Wonder if I should add Scroll Rack now.

>> No.56014893

see if you can fit thaumatic compass, journey to discovery, and gaea's bounty in there

>> No.56014923

>Thread Question
Licia. I think she's an overall really cool card and since she doesn't fit into the Edgar deck my roommate was more than fine just giving me his. It took a few weeks of brewing to figure out how to actually utilize her and make a solid build but she has won pretty much every game I've played with the last couple of weeks and has just been really fun. As a guy who just got the white mana symbol tattoo'd on him the other day, having a huge lifelink beater as a commander warms my heart.

>> No.56014928

Oh damn, I thought for sure I had journey already in the list.

Gaea's Bounty is already there, but my problem with Thaumatic Compass is that it costs 5 mana to replace itself, it's not actually been worth anything until after you have spent 8 mana on it.

>> No.56014932


COP:Black , white, red

What something wrong with it?

>> No.56014939

flip nissa is also pretty good. and magus of the library works well because you're keeping a pretty big hand the first few turns.

greenseeker is a 1-drop that can filter any card in your hand into a basic land in case you get your dead cards early.

>> No.56014945

How do I stop losing to my friends' dumb infinite combos

I'm a relatively new player and I like playing, but I don't like losing 100% of the time because I don't know what cards to look out for and/or my own decks aren't as good

What do

>> No.56014953

you already have journeyer's kite on the list, the compass is the same card but it flips into maze of ith later.

>> No.56014961

All of those cards are cards I've been intending to try out, figuring out which cards to replace for them is the hard part.

Yup, considering cutting the kite as well. Think I'll take it out for Journey.

>> No.56014979


ask them to stop playing infinite combos? Explain to them you don't like them and that for you they are unfun.

Or add counters (destroy effects, counters, or other cards that can stop their combo or remove the combo peices) to fight back

>> No.56014998

Learn the combos and how they work. Learn what the key combo pieces look like.

Then, learn how to react to each piece to disrupt their combo. Sometimes that involves a counterspell. Othertimes, the right removal. Regardless, it will require fun, interactive magic. Sometimes you'll just lose, and that's that.

You could also try talking to them and explaining that you don't like playing against their deck.

>> No.56015070

Are you constantly losing to a very specific combo or is the deck built with a variety of versatile combo piece/combos too fast for anyone to honestly deal with?
If it's the former then the rest of your playgroup has to all add in enough instant spot removal/counters to just stop them. If it's the former and the rest of the group is having as much trouble as you are just see if they can not play that deck/tone it down a bit for the benefit of the group.

>> No.56015095

Blood gift demon.

>> No.56015113

build a control deck and lose to the other player while you prevent infinite combos from going off

eventually hell get tired of being controlled and change the gameplan like you got tired of losing to cancer

>> No.56015127
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What's your favorite green and/or black card that fits nicely into gitrog?

>> No.56015137

Thanks, anon. I'm pretty sure I forgot a bunch of creature-based draw effects since I wasn't searching for creatures initially.

Same with planeswalkers (ob nixilis)

>> No.56015151

squandered resources is the funnest shit. I also love Hatred, Tainted Strike, Berserk for some fun blow outs. Ob nixilis landfall edition and tooth and nail for some other goodstuff.

>> No.56015158

There isn't a single fun commander, period.

>> No.56015184

Literally 3 posts above you.

>> No.56015187

Who is your favorite commander to play

>> No.56015201

What is Kaervek the Merciless then?

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>> No.56015218

Learn his combo. Either ask him to explain it to you or look it up and study it.
You should be paying attention during the game though. When he does his thing, tell him to slow down and play out his combo at a speed that allows you to absorb what's happening. Then, with that information, figure out how to break it.

>> No.56015292

>"Every deck plays the same" frog monster

Not that guy but c'mon man

>> No.56015302

I feel like asking that'd make me look like a little bitch

What should I play to be able to have consistent access to removal/counterspells when I need them? I have a couple cards that do that in my one deck I've already built for myself, but I feel like I never have them at the right moment. Also, I suppose I don't know what to look for usually.

They all have a whole bunch of shit that sometimes seems like it involves 10 separate cards at once. I honestly just can't keep up with it.

I am thinking about that, but I feel like I'd be very bad at control in my current state of honestly not knowing what most of their cards do. I feel bad about having to keep asking to look at their cards all the time. Maybe I should just suck it up and keep losing until I learn from experience? I dunno, it feels bad.

It's multiple people and it's multiple combos, across several decks. I do pay attention, but it just feels like way too much to keep track of.

>> No.56015318

gitrog can be plenty varied. I've seen multiple enchantment matter style decks, to voltron , to black green goodstuff. If you wanna go for the dredge combo shit sure, but thats boring. I don't get why people clump so many commanders into 1 playstyle. And he is probably the most fun golgari commander imo

>> No.56015337
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>He doesn't want to get on Mr. Bones' wild ride

>> No.56015344

Commanders are only as boring and same-y as you make them.

>> No.56015382

All commanders are one of these

>fun mechanic, too strong
Leads to unfun/imbalanced games

>fun mechanic, too weak
unplayable, lose your game, no fun

>boring mechanic, regardless of strength
Unoriginal goodstuff decks, no fun

Obviously the first is ideal in a balanced, high powered meta, but those are few and far between. No commanders with a fun mechanic are "fair"

>> No.56015401

Who is your favorite commander to play

>> No.56015432
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How do I make this work

>> No.56015437

Sounds like you need to join the combo train, then.

Or stax. Stax sounds good, too.

Stax refers to a strategy of a one-sided denial of resources, ensuring that your opponents don't get to do jack shit because they have no lands / can only cast so many spells per turn / can't attack with creatures for X reason. You basically tell everyone 'no' at the same time.

Cards like Winter Orb, ensnaring bridge, rule of law, spirit of the labyrinth, eidolon of rhetoric, possessed portal, etc.

Could end the game with something like Teferi's Puzzlebox & Notion Thief, too.

Or Contamination + Awakening Zone, against decks that aren't heavy in black mana.

He doesn't play commander. This anon is just here to troll /edhg/.

>> No.56015452

I have played gwafa the most

>> No.56015455

Blitz him in end of combat with Zirilan

Remember to have them sac outlets, tuck effects and/or a Sundial of the Infinite

>> No.56015468

Well no shit you think this, your commander falls so hard into the second category it left an impact crater on the Yucatan Peninsula.

Play Godo against a jankfest meta, shit's rad

>> No.56015476

Ah, thanks for explaining that, I'd heard the word before but didn't know what it meant. That sounds even more unfun than losing to infinite combos, though, so I figure I might as well just join the shitty club myself.

What kind of combo/control decks can I build that won't cost me a ton of money?

>> No.56015480

Seems like he'd be cool in Neheb

>> No.56015527

The Locust God lends itself really well to that kind of strategy.

Mairsil, the Pretender as well- though you need a higher density of activated abilities than counterspells / draw spells, in his deck.

>> No.56015532
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>halfway tempted to build Bruna Voltron for the sole purpose of slapping Eldrazi Conscriptions on her
>also self-milling half your deck with traumatize and throwing everything in your graveyard onto a Bruna seems funnier than shit

>> No.56015565

You can build a serious Grenzo Doomsday list for $100. He is my go-to "curb the combo arms race" commander

>> No.56015578

Neheb or Rakdos for synergy?

>> No.56015665

My roommate plays locust god sometimes, I don't want to copy her. Will look into that other guy, though!

also looking this up. Do you have a decklist, for inspiration?

>> No.56015705

I can recommend a couple cards for Mairsil:

>Quicksilver Elemental

It allows Mairsil to activate abilities multiple times a turn, instead of just once.


Makes it really easy to put new stuff on Mairsil.

>> No.56015760

I don't have one online, and I'm about to fall asleep. Ill make up a list tomorrow. If you look up Grenzo Doomsday on tapped out just make sure to include the doomsday combos (most important), as many tutors as you can afford, and cheap duals (depletion lands are great on a budget, dont use lands that enter tapped)

>> No.56015822
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How fun is crazy snake lady?

>> No.56015832

very fun

>> No.56015874

The first relevant deck I found costs over $2k...

I will keep looking

>> No.56016028

something I don't get about cards like this

How the hell do you get a 2/2 without flying, trample, or unblockable to EVER do combat damage to a player?

>> No.56016060

You give it flying, unblockable, shadow, whatever through the use of other cards, anon.

Or you remove your opponent's creatures first.

Or, in Hapatra's case, you play cards that do stuff with -1/-1 counters so that she just has to be present.

>> No.56016079


In edh they work better against creature light opponents, and in many metas, there is generally at least one creature light opponent in a pod of 4, if somebody only has 1 blocker you can get damage through with removal

It's definitely a big weakness to have a combat trigger with no evasion though, no doubt

>> No.56016081
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there was a fucking pikachu pokemon card in my cheerios box and i want to use it as a proxy for something

what commander is most like pikachu?

>> No.56016126

the combat trigger is pretty irrelevant, it's the second bit that really matters.

she's a two-drop. if she had evasion naturally she'd be way overstacked.

>> No.56016177

wtf are you me

also got a foil pikachu in my cheerios and also wanted to use it in one of my decks

>> No.56016244

Vial Smasher.

There's lightning all over the art. She deals random damage to opponents with lightning.

You just need to find a trainer.

Ravos, Bruse Tarl, Silas Renn, Ludevic(prof oak?)

>> No.56016478


That's a good point

>> No.56016624

hapatra is a very well designed for commander in general.

>very easy to cast early and recast later, giving her a constant presence in games
>feeds into a popular and unique archetype, but doesn't require total build-around, so the deck doesn't collapse without her
>unique ability balanced by a clear weakness (no evasion) that can be remedied
>powerful for its cost, but not outrageous (compare to something like yidris in terms of impact per swing)
>still has room for unique builds since you can still decide how much token saccing/stax, token swarming, -1/-1 counter, deathtouch etc. synergy you want in the deck, unlike something like edgar markov where every deck is just the best 30 vampires in the format added to a deck with a bit of mardu goodstuff

she's actually a better addition to commander than almost anything wotc has specifically printed for the format

>> No.56016968

Depends on how fun you want to make it. as >>56016624 noted you can do whatever the fuck you want. Swarm with tokens, kill gods with -1/-1 counters etc. Or if you feel like a being a dick, having blowfly infestation on the field makes creates infinite death triggers

>> No.56017050

I've tried both and he's not at all.

Here's how an average turn with Grenzo goes:
>pray to god no one removes Grenzo for some reason or wipes the board
>spend all your mana on dorky goblins
>if you already have dorky goblins, spend all your mana on making the goblins unblockable because everyone can block those weak fuckers
>connect if you're lucky, forced to goad or else you'll die next turn because everyone has flyers or trample
>you somehow manage to get cards exiled from the top
>it's a land
>it's a counterspell
>it costs one mana too much
>end the turn, go to bed, cry yourself to sleep because you're in monored

Meanwhile for Gonti:
>oh my god why can't I hold all this big black mana
>jesus fuck all this big black mana lets me get all this big black card draw
>I cast Gonti with Panharmonicon and Minion Reflector to steal 4 cards
>then I throw down a board wipe and cast Gonti again for another 4 cards
>want to attack me? sure I'll block with deathtouch, thanks for letting me recast him
>oh you want to cast Cyclonic Rift? here's your Swan Song back bro, have a bird

>> No.56017097

I dunno, no one plays creature heavy decks in my playgroup so this would basically be "discard your hand and nothing happens"

>> No.56017107

someone just got blown out by daddy edgar

>> No.56017179

Redpill me on slivers

>> No.56017209

Slivers are bad unless you have a super casual meta.

>> No.56017380

>Bruse Tarl, Boorish Trainer

>> No.56017441

It doesn't matter how good you build the deck, you WILL get ganged up on and you won't be able to do anything about it.

>> No.56017501

Do I get the cat precon or giant precon?

>> No.56017592

The solution is to play Samut tokens wuth Grenzo as your secret commander

>> No.56017608

I'm very bored with my current decks and I want to make a simple, streamlined deck that really wants to use its commander. No tribal, no goodstuff. What should I build next?

>> No.56017622


>> No.56017655

Voltron could be good, I've only ever tried it with Zur and that got boring quickly just because every game would end with me tutoring for mostly the same enchantments. Do you have any recommendations? I'm down for any color(s).

>> No.56017673

There are a lot of commanders that are build arounds. Any voltron dudes. Mairsil is super dependent on himself. Zedruu enables a lot of weird strategies you don't normally see. Just check out EDHRec, there's quite a few others that almost force you to build around what they do, or else there's no point playing them.

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The only time in white where you'll have to discard lands because too many cards in hand.

>> No.56018204

Other than having Land Tax in play

>> No.56018273

Do you sideboard?

>> No.56018334


>> No.56019036

The Giant precon, if nothing else, has Magus of the Wheel, Fiery Confluence, and Urza's Incubator. RW is among the worst color pairs you can set out to play though, unfortunately.

>> No.56019247

Hey faggot. If you can still fight YOU ARE NOT BEATEN.

>> No.56019309

You sound like a twat.
There's a point where "play it out" is not a reasonable position to take, and having no lands, no spells you can cast, and 10 life against an opponent with over 10 power on the board is quite a ways past that point.

>> No.56019678

You sound like a pussy.

>> No.56019754

Not same anon, but, I make them play it out, work to the end.

Scooping / conceding seems like a whiney cuck maneuver.

Just a card game.

>> No.56019782

As far as good drawing go in commander, Infernal Offering is one of my favorites. Bitter Revelation is also pretty good.
There is also Hoarder's Greed for the ones that likes a bit of Gambling.

>> No.56019860


>> No.56019893

Not him, but I always let it play it until the end, otherwise my opponents will know that if I didn't scoop, it is because I have an answer in my hand.

>> No.56019907

>I make them play it out, work to the end.
>Just a card game.
Those are pretty contradictory statements. The fact it's just a game means you don't have to be so concerned about trying to eke out a victory against 10,000/1 odds. If it's guaranteed you're going to die, then scoop and stop wasting everyone's time. It's better to get into the next round than faff about on some vague prideful bullshit.

>> No.56019934

How about we play 10 games in a row? I will play my durdle commander, and you will play Barktooth Warbeard and 99 mountains. If you scoop, you are a cuck!

>> No.56020089

Is it worth to pre order a box of iconic masters?

I do love opening packs but I feel like there's hardly any good value cards in there. With modern masters I seemed to pull a lot of tarns and lands that were worth good value, but I can't seem to see that happening with iconic masters - thoughts?

>> No.56020284
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Colorless Eldrazi tribal. Featuring every good Mana rock.

For spicey tech that gains you incredible value and fucks interaction based decks, run this.

>> No.56020377

Depends on what price you can get it at. It's got an EV of about $220, so if you can get a preorder at a noticeably lower price you can work with that.

>> No.56020422

Here's advice for every single release ever:
It's not worth buying a box over singles. Buy it only if you will draft it, like to gamble for chase cards/foils or want to pay for the novelty of opening packs.

>> No.56020477

>timmies get to topdeck their fatties for free
>johnnies use Fact or Fiction, Dig Through Time and topdeck manipulation
>spikes tutor up their wincon or removal

>> No.56020660

This dude knows what's up.

>high end lists run so fucking hard
>holy fuck I can actually turn 2-3 a kozilek?

So powerful. Mana rock tribal too good.

>> No.56020798
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I’m buying a Karn today. I asked in a previous thread if this was a good idea and got no responses. Tron didn’t get banned and Modern Masters 4? is at least 5 months down the line.

He cantrips off my general and seems strong. Opinions? Is he worth the money?

>> No.56020808

Yes. The card answers the question yea?

>> No.56021050

Fair enough. Just 65 bucks is getting into Legacy Niche Playable Reserve List card territory.

And I cut Doubling Season from Reki since it was a dead card surprisingly often. But Karn is removal so I feel he’s still very worth.

>> No.56021068

Words spoken by someone who probably exclusively faps to BBC shit. At least you sound like it. Grow a dick.

>> No.56021088

I would be. Get on my level.

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>> No.56021271

You sound like you put a whole lot of stock in masculinity, because you have so very little security in your own.

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You seek my God of Revels.

>> No.56021407

>shit I have no comeback
>better call him autistic

Quit being so presumptuous, you little bitchybitch.

Why is everyone who plays MTG a babby bitch? Someone prove me wrong. I’m appalled no one feels the same.

>> No.56021421

Tivadar's Crusade

>> No.56021451
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>is autistic
>gets mad when called out on it

>> No.56021461

>Why is everyone who plays MTG a babby bitch? Someone prove me wrong.

Do you not prove yourself wrong? Are you admitting you're a babby bitch, then?

>> No.56021483

Do you quit Midgame?


>> No.56021494

That doesn't sound like an answer, my self-proclaimed babby bitch friend.

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>> No.56021619

Quitting is the gayest thing you can do. In my circle it just pisses everyone off if my friend who always gets pissed and scoops. Play it til the end. It’s fucking one thing if you established a wincon before you technically won, but scooping because you don’t think there’s anything you can do is the gayest thing ever. Especially in multi when who knows, another player might intervene to keep you alive as a damage sponge or something, or maybe someone wants to interact with your grave. Or who knows you fucking top deck path to exile. Fuck all you, come on.

>> No.56021691
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In my circle, we get to play more magic because everyone scoops instead of waiting for potentially long, drawn-out games.

>> No.56021707

>Don't quit anon, maybe I won't swing lethal at you just yet, just steal your shit to make you even more miserable :^)
No, fuck you.

>> No.56021813

Why snow covered forests? I glanced and i didn't see anything that benefited from them

>> No.56021855

I don't know about the guy you're replying to, but I run snow-covered basics in one of my decks for the sole reason that I like the way they look

>> No.56021912

The end of long drawn out games is when all the fun shit happens. You guys are gay and the more you respond to the contrary is making you guys gayer and gayer.

>> No.56022113

you seem to be obsessed with homosexuality anon. Something you're not telling us?

>> No.56022151

my fellow patrician. i only scoop when there is no doubt the game is over. like all my stuff is gone and they have all the things. topdecking or finding a piece you need to bring it back, but i cant win with all my lands gone and they keep blowing them up, effectivly milling me out for 70 turns.

>> No.56022177

Yeah I forgot; KYS yourselves whiners. Deuces.

>> No.56022363

even gays call stupid ass shit gay.

>> No.56022375

can confirm

>> No.56022448

Ur pretty gay

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>> No.56022763
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I have a rules question that has been confusing someplayers in my group.

Lets say Player 1 has 7 mana open. He casts goblin charbelcher.

Pleyer 2 doesn't like this, and as soon as it resolves, he casts disenchant.

Player 1, in response, pays the cost for Goblin Charbelchers ability, with the intent to get the effect off once before it is disenchanted.

Does this work?

Alternatively, what if Player 1 activates the ability of goblin charbelcher first, and then Player 2 casts disenchant. Does the charbelcher ability still resolve?

Do either of these scenarios result in the charbelchers ability being unable to resolve?

>> No.56022774

This arguing about scooping early is so convoluted. You're saying if I'm at one life and I get board wiped with an empty hand, and I top a land, pass the turn and then wait for someone to put me out of the game like that?

That's retarded. The only people arguing against this have never played a strategy game before where you can safely concede without any real chance of winning, unless your opponent just says "I feel bad so I'll scoop". Or perhaps not very good at strategy games, either or.

The only real argument against it (using the word "real" loosely) is that you're a pussy if you scoop early. If your opponents game plan requires you to not scoop in response, perhaps their deck needs tuning. I personally will let someone get the benefit from killing me if there is one, but get real, not everyone will. As long as it's in the game someone is going to do it and you have to prepare for that, like you prepare for graveyard hate and boardwipes.

Also, conceding is an acknowledgement of defeat. Stop getting all pissy when people take their ball and go home, you won.

>> No.56022799 [DELETED] 

The charbelcher ability still happens in both cases

>> No.56022849

You would need something like Disallow in order to stop the effect. Destroying the artifact does nothing once the ability is on the stack.

>> No.56022864

Player 2 never has a chance to disenchanted the Belcher before its ability is activated (unless p1 passes priority before activating for some reason). So when p1 activates, p2 can then respond with disenchant. If nothing else happens, Belcher will be destroyed and it's ability will resolve as normal.

>> No.56022879

You'll never be able to stop the belcher's activated ability from resolving with a disenchant.

>> No.56023066

>If your opponents game plan requires you to not scoop in response, perhaps their deck needs tuning.
or you're playing something like saskia, or you've got a big lifelink creature, or you're playing the swords, and so on

in my group we just let the player scoop but leave behind a "phantom player" until the turn ends so these effects can happen

>> No.56023215

It's pointless to hold conceding against someone. You just sound like some kind of internet tough guy.

>> No.56023229

Just got a Gaea's Cradle. I'm trying to figure out what kind of deck to make with it since I finally have the last staple land. Thinking Selvala or Sisay hatebears or Ghave combos. From the recent sets, are there some good enough cards to include in W/(maybe B)/G? I play normally in turn 2-4 fast combo, stax, doomsday storm, etc. It's pretty cutthroat at times.

>> No.56023264

sisay all the way

go get cradle, garruk wildspeaker, the chain veil, and paradox engine and go nuts

>> No.56023274

I'm petty. I quit when someone was using Git probe after doomsday to take his spell off the stack and force him a loss.

>> No.56023346

It is a bit frustrating when people concede in order to Kingmake though.

It isn’t a black and white issue. And it isn’t just about triggers that depend on the player existing.

>> No.56023359

That's actually one of the few times I'd allow that. It's just so niche of a denial, and a lot of times it's still winnable - it just slows by a turn and makes a DD deck vulnerable

>> No.56023396

Fuck lol I just built Saskia. I typed that fucking essay before realizing I didn't fix that. NOW I GOTTA ADD EXTRA COMBAT PHASES

>> No.56023506


how did that force a loss? He targeted you with git probe i take it?

>> No.56023518

>You're saying if I'm at one life and I get board wiped with an empty hand, and I top a land, pass the turn and then wait for someone to put me out of the game like that?
Yes, I've played a number of multiplayer games where you get left hanging by a thread while the other players ignore me deal with more threatening stuff. There have been times this has allowed me to rebuild and make a comeback.

Hell, even if you get taken out right away, the player who does it has to blow the effort on you rather than someone else. Scooping in multiplayer games is foolish and wasteful.

>> No.56023547


I feel like the issue most of the time isn't when people concede to let someone win the game when they were for sure gonna win it. The problem is if there's 3-4 people left and someone attempts to resolve smething that will kill a player, and the result will be beneficial to them. For example, an Aetherflux Reservoir activation with a way to get the life back. If the salty guy who's gonna lose scoops in response to the activation the guy is left with 50 less life and he won't gain it back due to the damage not being dealt. This is obviously an easily resolvable one, but, I've seen this exact situation happen in league play, and the the opponents didn't let the guy keep the life he would have gained back. There are CERTAIN situations like this where scooping is a real bitch move and should not be allowed. If you're 1v1 and you will take lethal damage with no way to stop it next turn then it's okay to scoop.

>> No.56023582

As Alesha how do I make Teferi suffer? The planeswalker one.

I mostly spam restoration specialist but I feel that it isn't enough

>> No.56023643

I see what you're saying and you have a good point. I agree that it is poor sportsmanship to scoop in a manner as you describe. I suppose I'm a bit insulated as my group has ruled that, whatever the event, it resolves as though the opponent were there to see it out.

>> No.56023680

that's how most groups do it. mine doesn't because we've got a few asshats who throw an autistic fit when we suggest rules changes like that

>> No.56023683
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Do you really need to ask?

>> No.56023703

Oh boy. I must thank you.

>> No.56023719
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this too

>> No.56023724

Hexmage, Ferropede, Hex Parasite, Solemnity, Null Rod and Stony Silence to stop the Veil from going off

>> No.56023728

Let's see, as a teferi player I can tell you that I don't want to see the following:
Red elemental blast
Artifact destruction
Aven mindcensor
Stoney silence
Phyrexian revoker
Thalia, gardian of thraben
Null rod

That'll get you started.

>> No.56023778

Hopefully most reasonble groups would have this rule in the event someone decided to be a fucking cuck. Luckily with my group we haven't had a situation like that yet, I honestly wouldn't want to be part of a group with people who would do something like that just to spite someone for a game

>> No.56024355

I have 12 decks right now. Twelve. What the fuck happened?

>> No.56024435

What do you guys think about a Ezuri COP deck focused on morph creatures? I figured the morphs being 2/2 synergize with his ability and being in UG gives me access to most all of the good morph stuff. I get Animar let's me play them for free but I'm not gonna drop $30 on a single card to run in a meme deck

>> No.56024479

my friend just bought skithiryx to build a dumbass skeleton tribal deck for halloween

get animar and then build a good deck with him later

>> No.56024522

You realized you like options and enjoy deck building. So you should go make more.

>> No.56024533
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Voltron Sigarda.

one of the hardest creatures in the game to remove. Literally add indestructible to her, and watch as players get fanny flustered as you swing at them to death with impunity.

>> No.56024645

Anon are you me?
Vamp pre-con
Dragon pre-con

I dont think this is even all the built decks I have, and I still want to make more decks.

>> No.56024693

can i get some final thoughts on this phelddagrif deck?

just looking for a fun group hug deck that helps card advantage around the table (and maybe mill someone out in the process)

counterspells and removal where needed to take out the biggest threat so i can get on the other two player's good side


>> No.56024792
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>discard your hand

>> No.56024805

I started at the beginning of summer, I know have 5

>> No.56024852
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or better yet

>> No.56024856
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Best way to build him? Should i make it political or token-based?

>> No.56024870

not how it works, bud

>> No.56024877

I'd say political. Think of the tokens he makes as a bonus.

>> No.56024884

read malfegor mate
>discard 4 cards
>draw 12 cards

>> No.56024933

oh shit just noticed

>> No.56024956

Porque no los dos?

>> No.56024971

aight, where can i see a list of orzhov political cards? barely know about a few

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>> No.56025056

I want to use genesis wave as a bad tooth&nail style finisher in Tasigur, any fun combinations that win the game besides lab maniac or avenger+craterhoof?

>> No.56025120
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>group hates my breya deck for the combos
>the fucking thopter engineer combo especially
>decide to take out the combo pieces and put in eggs and other stupid shit
>get even more hate because its still a combo
Am I just doomed to receive hate for playing breya? Flicker tribal is so goddamn boring

>> No.56025221

I have 11 and the rest of my playgroup has like 5 at most. Send help.

>> No.56025263

I'm sitting at 14 finished, 4 under renovation, 6 nearing completion, and about 20 others in various stages of doneness.

>> No.56025281

>What commander were you not expecting much out of, only to be surprised/impressed with their performance?
When spoiled, I though all of the Partner Commanders from CMD2016 were unimpressive. A year has gone by and oh man they have impacted a lot in the game.

>> No.56025398

Who is Xenagod?

>> No.56025450

Artifact combos get hated because it's solitaire and you can't scoop because it's possible the solitaire player is just spinning his wheels and doesn't have anything. Or you could just lose.

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Get anything in the mail today /edhg/?

>> No.56025570

ron spencer is a fuckin legend.

>> No.56025580
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This might have a use in the deck

>> No.56025594

Playing a heavy combo deck makes you too good for casual metas, even tho Thopter Engineer combo is too casual for a cEDH meta.
You have two options: either make your deck casual timmy dumbfuck friendly, or get into real cEDH. The point is, make your deck according to your meta.

>> No.56025644

I'm just going to suck it up and deal with the hate. My meta does contain arcum daggson and animar its just annoying to hear their complaints about combos

>> No.56025651

Breakfast Hulk?

>> No.56025796

bring a faster combo deck and tell them it's tribal. instill the fear of god into them until they let you play breya like you want to

>> No.56025851

i was considering it. i'll trade for one and test it out when i have the chance.

>> No.56025872

At first I had Sunstone in the deck, Scrying Sheets should probably still go in.

>> No.56025894

I feel you, bro. I also play Breya and I really hate to downgrade my decks to fit into casual metas. That why I'm fine tunning Breya into cEDH to play with other guys from the Legacy community (aka, the filthy rich motherfuckers) leaving some decks in the middleground between casual and cometitive, then satisfy myself playing competitively against cedh decks

>> No.56025989
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Will I regret buying cat precons and building nazahn?

>> No.56026057
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>Nobody mentioned this gem of old-school color hate

>> No.56026169

I wish we'd get another snow-themed set someday. With full-art snow lands.

>> No.56026223

Ok, you can have a single swamp, this way you can't complain anymore.

>> No.56026309
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Yeah, just ordered my first EDH deck. Switching over from Legacy since nobody plays my format here.


Anyone got any suggestions? Honestly, just want it to be a fun deck. These guys don't have any crazy combo decks, so it's very casual.

>> No.56026347

Should be getting my blood moon for my Ruric deck ;)

>> No.56026388

Blood pet
Basal thrull
Innocent blood
Vampire sexmage

>> No.56026413

Dark Ritual
Cabal ritual
Animated dead

>> No.56026432

Lake of the dead
Moonlight bargain

>> No.56026455

Cabal coffers
Volraths stronghold
Ancient tomb

>> No.56026511
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>urborg tomb is $20
>cabal coffers is $20

>> No.56026531

Ty, I have a bunch of these in other decks right now that I can pull from. Does my mana curve look fucked?

>> No.56026615
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you need to stick to one drug anon

>> No.56026964

>comparing my drug investments to my EDH investments

I guess I can afford to fix my decks up a little bit. Thanks for that eye opener.

>> No.56026971

Juniper Order Ranger.

>> No.56026985

great card

>> No.56027302

Fucking Brazil.

>> No.56027406

I just want to occasionally rave hard ok

always keep track of all financing

>> No.56027504

Grenzo should not be just Goblin tribal. He's Extra combat phases tribal- pack Neheb the Eternal, Relentless Assault, Sneak Attack, Insurrection and other creature takers. Also, prep a bit of Land destruction for Homeward Paths.

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pls respond

>> No.56027611

What do you expect anyone to say?

Do you like cats?
Do you like equips?
Do you like edh?
Is the loss of 35 dollars going to put you out if you hate it?

>> No.56027660

it's fun go try it if you're fond of cats with weapons

>> No.56027687

She's super fun. I started building with her the day she got spoiled. You can run her with [Midnight Banshee & Zulaport Cutthroat / Blood Artist / Both] or you can toss out [Black Sun's Zenith ===> Craterhoof] or you can [Squandered Resources ===> Mistcutter Hydra]. The possibilities are endless! Build her and have fun!

>Combat is still relevant in commander
>Smug anime girl.jpeg

>> No.56027691


>Nazahn isn't Naya

I'm still sad about that.

>> No.56027749
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Xth for scooping in all forms in legal and valid. Babies that need their opponents to not concede in order for their decks to win are the reason why we have the Sunscorched Desert pasta.

>> No.56027750

There is nothing green about nazahn. He should be boros or naya

>> No.56027804


Naya. I need another Naya Commander.

>> No.56027844
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Naya equipment would have been so rad I'm still fucking mad about this

>> No.56027848

You got KANGZ, now fuck off Green. Go brew with your Simic girlfriend

>> No.56027880


You fuck off, I want Baracat to go with Dinosaurs, Elf Waifu, and Kangz.

>> No.56027897
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nobody wanna help a planeswalker out?

>> No.56027902

Idk this guy:
is kinda right.

Two new good naya commanders in the recent sets

>> No.56027903

I like the pug pasta, but this isn’t just a “let spells and triggers resolve” sort of thing.

There is also the all too common scenario where in a 3 man, person A has just enough resources to kill one person and if player B scoops before player A even picks who to kill, he essentially is giving away the game to A even though if he stays, all three have a chance at winning.

>> No.56027975

Neither player is A's prisoner. If C wanted B to stay in, C should have worked towards a board-state that would encourage B to not scoop.

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yeah I guess

Not lately, I keep getting last place in my group almost every game if not second to last. My friends say my curve sucks and that I should give a precon a try.

>> No.56028013

buy it then.

the cats is the cheapest of all of them. And still a good deal.

>> No.56028086


I dunno about "good". Samut is pretty basic and kinda boring, even if I like the fact she's a Haste enabler. Gishrath looks gimped by the low number of good Dinosaurs, so we'll have to see if Rivals adds some more good ones, or if we get 1-2 Dinos a set like we get 1-2 dragons from here on out.

>> No.56028100

Most people who scoop in that sort of scenario are not being rational. I’m all for playing politics and emotions and getting them to stay, but the argument of “but you can still win” despite being true usually does little to assuage them.

At that point they typically stopped caring about the outcome of the game (obviously). It is hard to convince someone using elements of the game to stay with it.

Obviously, anyone is free to leave at any time, but people kingmaking every single game can be frustrating. I wouldn’t want to enforce anything because that’s clearly BS, but I don’t like the idea of any form of scooping being valid socially. After all, if we all wanted to play EDH, you wouldn’t want someone scooping on a whim. If players don’t care about the outcome of the game, it is hard to play the game.

>> No.56028140

I hate to say it, because i wanted dinos to flop, but Gishth is pretty good. He's basically a voltron deck that can spawn lots of dinos when he hits. It hardly matters that most of the dinos are french vanilla.

kang is pretty boring though, ill agree.

>> No.56028149
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I just built five decks for random legendaries I had laying around just doooooo iiitttttt

>> No.56028206


>Basically Voltron

That's a problem for me. My playgroup always Focuses me if I'm playing Voltron, regardless if I'm the biggest threat or not. Still, I do want a Gishrath deck, but I am going to wait until Rivals to see if we get some more good stuff.

>> No.56028213
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Anyone else completely floored by the value this card produces?

I threw it in my mono red Daretti shenanigans/chaos deck and it just spews value all over the table.
After the the first couple spells I cast after it, I wanted to keeo count. Over the course of the game I cast 9 free spells totaling 36 mana.

It added a whole new element to the chaos theme to, with Possibility Storm I'd cast a spell, it would go to the bottom, get a free spell off the top X, then dig for another spell of the same type and cast it.

I think its a staple in any red deck going forward. And I'm going all into it.

>> No.56028265

My friend is running 4 copies in 4 decks. I mean, it was obviously strong. I’m sticking it in Jori En.

Solid fun red jank. 6 mana do nothing enchantment.

>> No.56028291

The first time I played this in my 5 color deck, I cast a Sorin, Grim Nemesis into Mana Reflection.

The following turn I basically put my entire deck into play.

>> No.56028329

Does anyone else hate the 'looting' ability?
I feel like every fucking red or blue card now has it. Its so bad.

>> No.56028391

Looks fine for a casual deck. If recommend you lower the average cmc and lose the zombie theme in favor of a more refined selection of good stuff but that's just me.

>> No.56028393

What? Are you retarded? Play any deck with graveyard mechanics. Or just discard lands.

>> No.56028446

you improve your hand by discarding the worst card.

how is that bad?

>> No.56028454

I've got three life-gain taplands and three bounce lands in one of my decks currently, which should be replaced first?

>> No.56028491

Because you dont actually gain any cards. If you have one card or no cards, looting does nothing.
If you wanna keep the cards you have in your hand , looting does nothing.

>> No.56028544

This is the guy you always hear about that says "If you attack me/target me with that/kill my commander I'm scooping!"

>> No.56028562

A commander thats second ability is looting just got banned from 1v1. Looting is great.

>> No.56028581

>Implying your graveyard isn't an extension of your hand in EDH

>> No.56028623

When did you have to start paying over $2 for orders on tcgplayer? Wasn't it only $1+ a few months ago?

>> No.56028663

My feldon enjoys throwing away big guys to make copies.

>> No.56028680

Only if you are operating under the idea that all cards are the same and that cards in graveyards are worthless.

Obviously, unless you are immediately using something like Reanimate or Replenish, it pales in comparison to proper card draw, but there is a reason it is costed differently.

>> No.56028689

>A commander thats second ability is looting just got banned from 1v1.
>Looting is great.

I think the proper conclusion is "1v1 is garbage". Card selection is good (but no replacement for true card advantage) but 1v1's lunacy proves absolutely nothing. They also banned Vial Smasher, Eidolon of the Great Revel, Bruse Tarl, and Fireblast.

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>1v1 banned Bruse Tarl

this is the best kek ive had in a while.

>> No.56028899

I REALLY want to keep the zombie theme. I know zombies aren't a very strong tribal like elves or gobs, but for casual I think it will be fine. My goal was to stay under 100$ in new cards and they ended up being 98 so I'm happy. I think I will take your guys advice and replace some higher (especially 3 cmc) stuff with:
>innocent blood
>dark rit
>cabal rit
>carrion feeder
>ghoulcaller's chant
>quest for the gravelord

I got an ancient tomb and some other zombie lands layin around to throw in over swamps as well. I'll know how it does this weekend when my group gets together.

>> No.56028956

Can you give us a short run of your current deck? Because cats and equips aren't really competitive, so depending on your playgroup, they are probably talking about stronger precons.

>> No.56028983

>no helix pinnacle
what the fuck are you doing

>> No.56029023
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I want to put pic related in my Kruphix deck. It seems playable early and really bonkers late game. I'm having trouble figuring out a cut though; I'm almost considering dropping a land for it but I don't know if that's the right call.
Could I get some help anons?
Here's my current list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kruphix-god-of-x-cost-spells/

>> No.56029056

I figured. I actually have a bunch of extra combat cards lying around.

I just want to make maximum bedlam at my table.

>> No.56029114

I think you could cut a land, 37 is fine in most decks.

>> No.56029256
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>check it out
>Bruse Tarl is actually banned in Surrender Commander

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>banning fireblast
1v1 format confirmed for Johnnybabbies

>> No.56029390

With that mana curve, I agree that you can cut a land for it. Although I would recommend you to test it, and if you think it's good, take out something else and put the land back in.

They banned fucking Sulfuric Vortex, I wouldn't be surprised if they banned Lightning Bolt next.

>> No.56029453

>Eidolon of Great Revel
>in the format famous for getting fuck huge mana and casting fuckhuge things
>and one where you start with 30 life

>> No.56029740

changed to 20 life iirc

>> No.56029894

I'm playing locust god and mogis, but my meta is casual + creature heavy. My group already has one person with dragons and another with vampires

>> No.56029915

>reduced from 30 to 20 life now
The fuck is this shit? Soon they will change to allow duplicates and reduce deck size to 60.

>> No.56029978

Just call it Force of Will at that point.

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>Xth for scooping in all forms in legal and valid
>spitescooping to be a salty fuck for losing
>just so the person that beat you might just not win

i bet you house ban land destruction, you scrub

>> No.56030170

Hmm, Locust God is not exactly a weak commander, maybe you could work towards upgrading it instead of getting a new one. UR has a lot of "fun" cards too.

>> No.56030276

Is this French EDH

>> No.56030295

Ruhon or karona are pretty fun decks

>> No.56030308

I regret buying cat deck but only because dragons is now sold out everywhere whereas I can still find cats if I wanted another one.

>> No.56030476

yes it is

>> No.56030484

I really like Contagion Engine but it's a pretty slow card. I'm even considering cutting it in my Ezuri, Claw of Progress deck.
If it's a $10 card, it's gotta have a place in some deck, right? What deck would Contagion Engine shine best in? Other than the obvious Atraxa Superfriends.
I really want to run Contagion Engine, guys.

>> No.56030518

If they use dig through time they can't actually draw from it though.

>> No.56030651

the opposite you dumb nigger
build a better deck if you are reliant on your opponents to not scoop in order to win

>> No.56030716

French EDH is trashy in my honest opinion.

>> No.56030733

I play it in my hapatra -1/-1-counter deck

>> No.56030988

Stupid question, Godsend can Nevermore Commanders unless Godsend is removed, right?

>> No.56031009

Scorpion god also. I love my -1/-1 decks. No one is safe not even my own guys.

>> No.56031016

No because it doesn'tstay exiled unless the controller of the Commander chooses to keep their commander in exile.

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>build a better deck
>reliant on your opponents to not give up like a whiny loser in order to win
>"muh feelings are above the stack"

what the fuck am i reading. in any competitive thing, people dont stop playing until the timer is out, not because its 100 - 0. scooping is meant to speed up the inevitable when you have a limited amount of time to play, not to handicap someone because you are losing in a pod and are bad at magic. if you want to do that then run some fucking pacts or some shit. you are a salty scumbag for doing this and just trying to justify scrubbery with more salt.

okay retard, i play this, what now fucker?

>> No.56031098

Bedlam is not what you get with grenzo. Use someone like Norin for that. Grenzo is about building your opponent's forces and keeping them from responding to you ON THE FIELD. The deck has a weakness to spells in general, though, and relies on a constant board presence. I'll post my decklist in a bit, after I update it. It routinely ranks high or wins in a group with Ulamog mana rock tribal, Baral counter tribal, and Zur Doomsday, so he certainly isn't useless. He just requires a certain play style to get going.

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>> No.56031133

i kinda want to make hapata and scorp to play as a two headed giant pair.

>> No.56031219

>okay retard, i play this, what now fucker?
Read the rulings, nigger.

>> No.56031242

>in any competitive thing, people dont stop playing until the timer is out
Also that's fucking wrong, in pro chess conceding is pretty damn normal.

>> No.56031255

>okay retard, i play this, what now fucker?
>being this retarded

>> No.56031275

Which would be a good commander for a hydra tribal deck?

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>> No.56031304

Progenitus. Always Progenitus.

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there isnt any official multiplayer tournys, so magic doesnt officially have sanctioned multiplayer rules. i hope you get kicked out if your group with that piss poor salty loser attitude.

regardless, collusion is against any rules, double nigger.

>> No.56031406

French is for people who have no friends and are too poor to play Legacy.

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>using a non-hydra for hydra tribal

>> No.56031435

Progenitus is a Hydra Avatar, dude.

>> No.56031480

Oh shit, you're right. I though he was just an avatar.

>> No.56031484

>being so autistic you dont get the joke

magic has a timer for rounds and matches, idiot. people scoop in round so they have more time to try to WIN in the second or third round of a match. you are missing the point of the game, to try to WIN, not collude to concede in order to give a player a handicap. there is no reason to concede in a pod other than real life shit happening and "muh feelings"

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>I can't provide a retort to the official rules so I'll just accuse you of collusion!

>> No.56031507

someone post it

>> No.56031517

>Open link
>get a pop up asking for my VPN

What the fuck

>> No.56031524

Do you realize you're in the EDH thread?

>> No.56031564

Do it. I give my bud my hapatra when we do double headed commander. Lots of synergy between the two. Both decks are pretty cheap to make though the Scorpion god deck is on the pricier side if you want good mana ramp from things like Cabal Coffers and Urborg.

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>conspiring to give a player a handicap so they have less of a chance at winning
>not colluding

its also unsportsmanlike. scooping isnt your secret special tech, its poor play.

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>we roll dice to see who goes first
>I go last
>first player goes "scorching desert, target anon, pass"
>I'm absolutely stunned
>I go down to 39 life before it's even my turn
>he doesn't even apologize
I haven't even had one turn, so it was impossible for me to interact with the trigger. If he let me just play one island I could have stifled the trigger and still been at 40 life. Instead he targets me out of pure spite. We all talked about it and it was pretty clear that he only wanted me to be at 39 life so that I wouldn't win. He was going all on about how he is perfectly allowed to scorch me, but he didn't even think for a second about how I felt about it. It would have been infinitely preferable if he gave me just one turn to get up stifle mana or find a way to gain some life. Instead he tries to act like just because the game lets him do something that its ok and my feelings don't matter. We all agreed that targeting me was unnecessarily spiteful considering he had another land in hand he could play, or he could have mulliganed to a hand that had less hateful cards. We all agreed to just play as if I was at 40.

What I don't get is how people like him think its a good idea to play like that with regular playgroups. You know that by hitting me with scorching desert, it's just going to make me bring out my five color stonerain.dek and completely remove his ability to play next game. Since then we have houseruled that you're not allowed to hurt others players if they don't have a way to interact with it. Our players that have some social awareness and aren't completely autistic have all agreed with this rule and it has done a great job of weeding out the players that have offensive personality traits, such as having skin any thicker than plastic food wrap.

>> No.56031613

Except EDH is a politics-focused, non-competetive format where such play is explicitly encouraged.

>> No.56031624

no shit, really? i thought this was chess club.

>> No.56031682

EDH is a politics casual game, where having fun is above winning.

>> No.56031692

>my feelings are hurt, quick burn the game rules!

>> No.56031763

>scooping is encouraged

ill never be a billionaire playboy, guess i might as well kill myself.

>non competitive format
cEDH and the unwashed smashscrub community say hi. your so stingy about rules yet go back to saying its not competitive

>Except EDH is a politics-focused
yeah, as in "that guy is gonna make a combo, lets team up to stop it for now". not for everyone to decide to gang up on one guy and scoop in order to split winnings.

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>so magic doesnt officially have sanctioned multiplayer rule

>> No.56031791

>collusion being fine in the rules

>> No.56031803

show me a wizards sanctioned edh pod

>> No.56031809

Conspiring with other players, not scooping specifically.

>to split winnings.
What winnings? Most people that play EDH don't play for rewards. Multiplayer formats are generally casual formats.

>> No.56031818

prove it nigger

>> No.56031835

If I pull the pin on a grenade and throw it at you, but you shoot me afterwards, does the grenade still go off?

>> No.56031855

It was a dummy grenade so no?

>> No.56031873

>its casual
>b-but THE RULES

then i houserule that anyone caught spite scooping will get you perma banned and will forever be known as "Salt Scrub" forever in all magic communities for not playing shit out like a decent human being. glad we agree on things.

>> No.56031892

so wait, doing something to make another person lose is now conspiring?

>> No.56031909

>in all magic communities
Nah man, you can't force your bullshit on other groups. But if you want to stop playing with people that ever scoop for any reason, feel free, but don't be surprised if other people stop playing with you for being a dick.

>> No.56031916

>following the rules =/= playing competitively
The problem is not scooping, the problem is them trying to split the winnings by conspiring against one player.

>> No.56031917

>doesn't like legal play
>responds to legal play with a perma ban
>"that'll teach those salty fucks!"
obtain some self awareness

>> No.56031941

Okay, suggestion? Focus just a little bit more on winning. Get a blue sun's zenith in there; it works as a mill spell and as a win for the lab maniac.

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>doesn't even know how houseruling works

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>> No.56031999

wow, i never knew /edh/ is full of salty losers. stay bad at magic that scooping is your most secret spicy tech, casuals.

Rules: Anyone can concede at any time.

Etiquette: No one gets to concede, ever, until one player has clearly won the game.

>> No.56032019

You will understand why people run cards like Krosan Grip, that let you destroy a card without its owner having the chance to activate it.

>> No.56032022

You didn't have to make some guy seem like a retard even after he had his question answered already. We already have enough dicks between these assholes arguing about how play groups should play even though they probably will never be in the same pod ever.

>> No.56032078

Not in that particular situation, it doesn't.

>> No.56032090

Correction: It's a bunch of dicks and assholes fucking and shitting on one pussy who can't comprehend why no one is agreeing with him.

>> No.56032142

How does it not? Krosan Grip has Split Second, so they can't respond to it in any meaningful way.

>> No.56032143

I honestly don't care. Both sides need to realize it's a fucking game. Discuss with your group how competitive everyone is playing. If someone wants to scoop to fuck you over it's fine. It'll happen it's no different than teaming up against the biggest threat then backstabbing last second. If someone doesn't like what happens in their group they should act like an adult and discuss it with their group. If the group decides not to agree find a new one.

>> No.56032198

Charbelcher resolves.

Unless anything triggers or it was played on someone else's turn(with flash), the player who played the charbelcher now has priority. He can activate the charbelcher immediately without any chance of being responded to.

If he went to change phases or cast something else, you could totally krosan grip the charbelcher, but priority doesn't work that way.

>> No.56032280

>why people run cards like Krosan Grip
This is the important part.

Well, of course, if you can't even do anything, you can't krosan grip, but if you can krosan grip it, they can't do almost anything in response.

>> No.56032333

>If someone wants to scoop to fuck you over it's fine

Hopefully I never encounter you or your friends at an LGS

>> No.56032350

I do. I want to see you cry and throw a hissy fit.

>> No.56032391

So I built a Gonti deck based on cards like Sadistic Sacrament and Bitter Ordeal. It was not a good deck by any means but it was fun watching people struggle to find ways to win in their awful combo decks without their win conditions. Unsurprisingly, the deck was bad in almost every other scenario.

Right now, I’m thinking of making it into a wonky artifacty ETB, LTB thing. Cards like Blood Clock ended up being very fun. And the idea of having a deck that uses Panharnonicon and Strionic Resonator kind of gets me going. Is the fact that it would ultimately be just a bad Flicker deck a good argument against it? Or is the fact that it is a Flicker deck in monoblack unique enough since we don’t really have good enablers?

>> No.56032430

I know what Krosan Grip does. I'm not saying it's a bad card. I'm just saying that the original situation is somewhat flawed.

In most of the groups I play in, if you scoop to screw someone over, it gets ignored or rewound. It seems reasonable to me.

>> No.56032448

>look at me guys I'm a troll irl

>> No.56032544

if someone wants to fireball their own face i would be fine with it, at least suicide by in-game means. scooping to spite someones face just shows you are a little punk ass bitch.

>> No.56032579

And that's fine too. If your group plays by those rules and you let new players know before they scoop then I don't see a problem. If you join a group of 3 regulars who play differently don't expect them to play how you want to, just walk away. Like wise if someone joins your group and scoops out of spite then just boot them out. "Hey we don't scoop or try do dickish things on purpose we'd like you to find a new group to play with" that's all you have to do.

>> No.56032611

Fireball is a Sorcery.

>> No.56032613

You're using an arbitrary metric for 'in-game' to justify your biases. The rules are part of the game.

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Also, anyone got some fun monoblack or colorless triggers to copy? Jank preferred, but since Panharmonicon is the only other enabler, ETB on creatures and artifacts preferred.

This works with Epic, right?

>> No.56032751

Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Abyssal Overlord, Lord of the Void, Marionette Master, Sepulchral Primordial, Grave Titan.

>> No.56032768

oh, and hedonist's trove, so you can exile two different graveyards and be able to cast any cards out of 'em. Don't forget to bring a chromatic lantern along for the ride!

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Abyssal Overlord? I figured it out though, Abhorrent Overlord, the harpy guy. Yeah. I'm hoping the devotion stuff works, but with the amount of monobrown I'm doing, I'm worried it is gonna fall flat even if I run shit like this.

Good ideas. Hedonist is already in, but it is along the right lines of the jank I want to play.

>> No.56032929

I did mean abhorrent, oops.

I used to have a gonti deck. I built it around stealing my opponents' stuff, it was really fun. Unfortunately, I needed the brown goodstuff for my other decks.

>> No.56032988

Gonti is my first monoblack deck that ended up actually existing in paper and of all the color combinations, black seems to be the least popular to build as monobrown. So, I'm gonna try it.

I like that Blood Clock has a functional reprint. Wish me luck. Right now it is more likely I won't have enough space for all the jank.

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Is he any good /edhg/?

>> No.56033036

Yeh. Probably overtuned honestly.

>> No.56033037

there's plenty you can do with racism you just have to use your imagination my guy with imagination anything is possible

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>> No.56033195

would this work well in prossh? i've been considering it.

>> No.56033226

oh shit, this guy would also work well in prossh, right?

>> No.56033351

you know what i mean

>> No.56033547

Do you have no balls if you don't run Ramirez DePietro in your pirates tribal deck?

>> No.56033768

man would this work well in prossh or what?

>> No.56033794

>What commander were you not expecting much out of, only to be surprised/impressed with their performance?

To be fair, I was rather new to the format at the time. I figured I'd load her up with angel waifus and if I was lucky she'd make me a little value now and then. eeh, maybe a few other cheatables, just what I had on hand...

The deck has been touched up once or twice since, mostly just adding more waifus/refining the waifu package and inserting Master of Cruelties for 1-shot jank, but even from the start it was way stronger than I expected: Kaalia lived to swing more often and very rarely was her value just "Free Serra Angel".

>> No.56034195

Jeez dude, calm the fuck down.

>> No.56034299

She just goes off sometimes, and my opponents don't even notice. It's not like Darkest Hour levels of good, but Just having her out with Blood Artist and Zulaport Cutthroat, and then randomly saccing things nets an incredibly easy win.

When I use to play her as my hatebears commander, she just destroyed some strategies without doing it on purpose. I'd eventually get a lock with Orim's Chant under Isochron + Paradox Engine in play.

>> No.56034424

Is there anything more fun than conjured currency + fractured identity

>> No.56034496

oh SHIT this looks DOPE for PROSSH am i rite guys?


>> No.56034558

Exploding kittens and imploding kittens

>> No.56034582

Shit taste

>> No.56034610
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I get that this is a kek, but this reminds me so much of some fuckboi at my lgs that doesn't understand when to let shit go.

>August this year, First Game ever against this "Guy", he's pretty new, started in not!India block.
>Play against him with Nazahn, bought it earlier in the week, spice it up
>Other dude at the table is his mate playing Mizzix, and is proper scatterbrain - shouldn't be playing magic if I'm being truly honest, that's a whole other story.
>I get a good start, and manage to get out birthing pod turn 3, planning to pod a creature of mine. Do it, get some value creature and grab an equipment.
>Turns go round, we are all at parity.
>I cast Nazahn, Grab Hammer, equip all the shit to him, beat down the guy in the lead, and then the rest of the table.
>Handshakes all around.
>Guy talks about how strong the play was with his mate, shucks
>Next game with him again.
>I cast sol ring, turn 3.
>He counters it.
>I cast Courser of Kruphix.
>He bounces it.
>I lose to my mate who went off with Niv, I was at 4 lands while my opponents were at 6/7. The dude knew that Nazahn could probably do well in that match, so I wasn't too salty. I was salty about the turn 5 Niv+OphEye combo though.

>Week after, First game with him again.
>I'm playing Sakashima, he's playing Locust God, his same mate, playing Mizzix still.
>First game, got to 5 card hand and keep two islands.
>Draw complete toss, Edgar Markov player is amassing a huge board state.
>I eventually have enough mana to cast Consecrated Sphinx.
>Guy counters it. I have 0 board state, 3 lands, 2 mana rocks. Fuck all.
>I ask why.
>"It's too good."
>Turns out he has only been paying attention to my board state.
>Play something else, he cyclonic Rift's
>It, nothing else - he had 7 mana open and used 2.

Edgar Markov had been cast twice, and he saved his counterspell for the first spell I was going to cast.
He could've cleared the board, but nah, just to spite me even though I'm so far behind.

Fuck Guy.

>> No.56034644

New thread because you retards don't know how to make them yourselves

>> No.56034661

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