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I see dead people edition.

Previous >>55780420

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>> No.55783251

Has anyone done a Blood Ravens stolen Guilliman?

>> No.55783263

>>55783248
BRING IT

>> No.55783264

post stories about shitty guardfags

>> No.55783265

>>55783140

Exactly how beshitted would a Mechanized DKoK (Grenadiers in Storm Chims) be?

I don't play tourneys but I do like to give my opponent good game.

>> No.55783272
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Acid-Dogs are love
Acid-Dogs are life

>> No.55783286

Odd replies names a guardsman
I'll put their names on the helmet
dubs names seargents until i run out
trips names CC and commissar
i'm uncreative /tg/

>> No.55783292

Who is GSC Breeder?

>> No.55783312

>>55783286
Handsome Jack should be the Commissar's name.

>> No.55783313

>>55783292
your mum

>> No.55783324

>>55783286
FAGATRON

>> No.55783344

>>55783286
Tim

>> No.55783345

>>55783286
Butt Stallion

>> No.55783346
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>>55783251

>> No.55783354

>want to start death korps
>write a 2000 point list to start
>Would cost $1500 usd before tax

What the fuck

>> No.55783357
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55783357

>>55783272
You know, I kinda use Acid-Dogs as the base for my Genestealer Cult. Would work well with all the mining equipment they use.

>> No.55783365

>>55783286
Shasta McNasty

>> No.55783367

>>55783286
Pyle

>> No.55783375

>>55783286
Krunch Stackedhuge

>> No.55783379

>>55783286
Ass Pirate 7: Ramming Speed

>> No.55783394

>>55783286
Jim

>> No.55783397

>>55783346
awesome, thanks

>> No.55783399

>>55783286
Mayonnaise Quirk.

>> No.55783411

>>55783286
Name one this: "Guardfags should be gunned down in the street."

>> No.55783423

I'm planning mixing new plague marines with putrid blightkings to create super-duper-cool plague marines. Is it a good idea? Do you think I should add anything else?

>> No.55783428

Anyone else seriously annoyed by the recent lack of loadout options within the new edition. They went through the trouble of separating point costs from a models raw stats and its wargear and weapons. Then turned around and stripped out all the opportunity to equip your dudes with all sorts of fun shit. Why cant primaris sergeants take all kinds of cool gear? Does every Magos Dominus and Datasmith seriously carry the same kit? From each forgeworld? In the whole galaxy? No marines have ever found or used a phosper serpentia? Guardsmen regiments dont use autoguns? Holy heck. The new imp codex stripped out so many options its nuts! Infantry sergeants cant even take lasguns anymore. Does anyone else yearn for a more second edition style of gaming like me?

>> No.55783447

>>55783286
Fagballs

>> No.55783448

Suggestions for Wraithlord loadouts? Assume the rest of the list has all roles fulfilled, this is mostly I want to have it due to I love the model, but, I want it somewhat useful in 8th edition. Thinking 2xShuriken Catapults, Ghostglaive, 1-2 Brightlances, then if not 2 Brightlances a Shuriken Cannon to make it nom infantry hilariously. If Brightlance is completely bad what about the Starcannon? Or should it just be quad Shuriken because otherwise it is a waste even if it is meant to be fluffy?

>> No.55783449

>>55783265

Because my carapace vets have a history going back to their role as Solar Auxillia in the defense of the blood-drench'd fields of Holy Terra against the Arch-Traitor Horus. They aren't 5+and they certainly aren't fucking Stormtroopers.

>> No.55783458

>>55783423
Blight kings are closer to termi size I believe, but the helmets and weapons should fit well enough

>> No.55783459

>>55783286
Abdul Moreham

>> No.55783461

>>55783286
Horus Lupercal

>> No.55783463

>Guard Codex goes out of its way to mention Tanith First and Only, including model pics and artwork
>No rules for Ibram Gaunt

But why

>> No.55783465

>>55783428
>Guardsmen regiments dont use autoguns?
Don't autoguns have the exact same stats as lasguns?

>> No.55783469
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55783469

Tips for a Slaanesh marines army, if I wanted to avoid standard armor as much as possible?
Meaning terminators and vehicles more than basic infantry.

>> No.55783473

>>55783286
Rolf

>> No.55783489

>>55783286
FuckBastard

>> No.55783490

>>55783411
I'll shorten that to "Gun Down Guardfags"
>>55783379
excellent name for a chimera

>> No.55783515

>>55783286
SlamBeef

>> No.55783528
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>>55783357
Stay off Mordant Prime mutant xenos scum.

>> No.55783535
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55783535

Can't decide what regimental doctrine I will go with for my Guard.
I'm planning on going full mech with mostly russes and a few guys in chimeras.
I'm thinking maybe go Catachan for the free rerolls.

>> No.55783543

>>55783528
No loyalist has pointy teef

>> No.55783552

>>55783465

Way to miss the point...

>> No.55783559

>>55783286
Jihad Johnny

>> No.55783560

>>55783543
>SW
>BA

Yup, checks out.

>> No.55783565

>>55783428
converting is dead

>> No.55783572

>>55783490
>excellent name for a chimera
it should be allowed only for these giant drill things from forgeworld

>> No.55783574

>>55783286
Donald J Trump

>> No.55783611

Are they any guard regiments similar to the imperial Japanese army of ww2 or would I have to make a custom regiment? Posting again cause both have blinding faith in the emperor.

>> No.55783613

Post backlogs
Talons of emperor (still shrinkwrapped)
Burning of Prospero(sisters primed)
2x dark imperium primaris (basecoated only)
Primaris chaplain
Primaris apothecary
Primaris librarian
Redemptor dreadnaught (primed and magnetized)
Stormhawk interceptor (mostly on sprue)

Morty in box
Blightlors termies in mail

>> No.55783629

>>55783535
Tallaran for outflanking 3 chimera vet squads. Or outflanking any armor really.

>> No.55783653

>>55783286
Scrotal Bagrot

>> No.55783657
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>>55783469
Delightful Agonies can target your vehicles, grab a Terminator Sorcerer to Deep Strike alongside a squad of Combi-plasma Terminators, cast Prescience and Delightful Agonies, ruin a single particular units day.
Also Delightful Agonies is great on a Helbrute with a Plasma Cannon since you can ignore mortal wounds caused by a 1 to hit on 5+.
Slaaneshi Daemon Princes are the biggest melee monsters in the game with Intoxicating Elixir and Diabolic Strength, only time my Daemon Prince didn't rip a big thing down and in half was when a Swarmlord got to hit first because Flawless Perfection and Quicksilver Swiftness are fucking useless and I'm offended that Emperor's Children got that lazy half-assed Slaaneshi Daemon "hit first but not really" rule as our Legion Trait. But other than that you'll be able to rip Storm Talons out of the sky if you take the winged option and with Intoxicating Elixir and Diabolic Strength you'll wound T5 models on a 2+
Also if you aren't taking Noise Marines, which you should, you can at least take Obliterators, not quite Sonic Weaponry but high power Assault weaponry is an acceptable substitute.

>> No.55783665

>>55783611
Japanese guard need to be modelled with Katanas that count as Power Swords (given a Katana has the same cutting power IRL as a Power Sword does in 40k).

>> No.55783670

>>55783286
Gobels Coque

>> No.55783671

>>55783613
Cadian armored fist (in box)
Vanilla Leman Russ (built, not primed)
Aegis defense line (primed)
Creeeeeeeeed (Primed)
Commisar (Primed)
Culexus Assassin (Primed)

Probably some other shit I'm forgetting.

>> No.55783685

>>55783613
An entire army :^) One of these days, I'll actually start.

>> No.55783687

>>55783469
buy obliterators
cacophony them after using prescience
thank me later

>> No.55783694

>>55783611
Custom regiment, you should use Vostroyan rules because "glorious nipon heirloom lasgun folded over 1000 times has half again the range of standard lasgun"

>> No.55783705

>>55783694

1/4th again. Sorry bout ur lots.

>> No.55783708

What's the verdict of the Stormlord? Worth the points?

>> No.55783713

>>55783613
10 Cadian's to be turned into stormtroopers (3 built)
5 Wyches
15 Kabilite Warriors
1 Venom
1 Raider
1 Razorwing Fighter
10 custom stormtroopers awaiting priming
1 sentinel awaiting priming
1 knight awaiting priming
1 tempestor prime awaiting priming
1 priest awaiting priming
1 officer of the fleet awaiting priming

>> No.55783725

>>55783428
GW can't account for every possible variation and they can't just make a "build your own army" codex, where you stat your own dudes, their wargear, etc. to have everything you ever wanted.

I'm sure some Marines has found and used a phosphor serpenta, but they'd be very isolated cases and without the Admech providing him with support to maintain the gun and providing him with ammo, it's just a fancy showpiece. I'm sure some US soldier could have carried some obscure handgun into WW2, but with no ammo and armoury not having spare parts for it, his use of that thing would have been next to nothing. Meanwhile, he'd get much more use out of having an M1911, because that the military had munitions and spare parts for.

It's also about army identity. What good is making Space Marines+ if they're just space marines with two wounds? Primaris have a style separate of regular SM with their tacticool weapons and synthetic muscle sneaking suits. And their unit builds are closer to 30k Legions with combined arms rather than flexible units. Instead of a single squad having bolters, close combat weapons, special weapons and heavy weapons, Primaris have one unit for bolters, one for stabby, one for special weapons, etc.

It's no different from, say, Guard being the only army able to use radios and tell their soldiers what to do, or tau being the only ones with target designators, etc.

>Guardsmen regiments dont use autoguns?

No, because 1) they're PDF pleb tier weapons, and B) lasguns are logistically superior.

>> No.55783733

>>55783713

A "tempestor unprimed", you mean?

>> No.55783744

So yeah -saw the gw response to "more diverse representation" and im asking myself is this hobby fucked like my movies and video games? Im actually amazed warhammer was left alone for 30 years before the post-modernists wanted to change it.

>> No.55783766

Any word on when the Blight haulers will be up for pre-release?

>> No.55783767

>>55783613
wraithguard
wave serpent
(neither assembled)

>> No.55783777

>>55783744
We already have tons of female miniatures, I don't see the problem unless you just hate female models in your army, in which case it'll be as simple as buying extra male torso bits on eBay or buying two of each box to make a same sex squad.

>> No.55783779

>>55783733
Nice one, and yes.
>>55783744
It means GW might finally put out plastic Sisters of Battle and some female members of the Inquisition, Eldar (all variants), Tau, and Guard with some head upgrade sprues, and body sprues for eldar. Simplest and easiest to do. They're british not american, so they aren't nearly half as insane.

>> No.55783780

Is the rules for army organization being so lax a bad thing, /40kg/? On paper, a well-balanced detachment like Brigade gives you bonuses in the form of a bunch of CP, but in practice CP just isn't valuable enough to make you constrain yourself in that way. Armies are free to spam as much of one unit as they like with the only real limiter being an HQ tax, which for many factions is the opposite of a downside as cheap and useful HQs are plentiful. If your army doesn't have a Codex this goes double, as there are no unique stratagems to give you a good reason to amass CP.

The detachment system also does little to discourage soup lists. Just by putting subfactions in their own detachments you get all the benefits of running pure lists with none of the drawbacks. Is there a point to Marines or Guard or AdMech having a weakness when you can just run them all together and cover each other's backs, with zero drawbacks?

Should there be more encouragement towards running evenly-spread armies and/or single-faction armies?

>> No.55783791

Why do people hate guard so much?
Are they OP in 8th?

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>>55783791
They're in a strong place atm but overall people are over reacting
T. Gaurdfag

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>>55783791
Yes, Very.
>>55783653
>>55783559
>>55783515
>>55783489
>>55783473
>>55783461
>>55783459
>>55783447
>>55783411
>>55783399
>>55783379
>>55783375
>>55783367
>>55783365
>>55783345

thanks bros.
I'll come back once i've painted all these.

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>>55783613
Landraider
Rhino
20 Tactical Marines
DA Company Master
DA Librarian
3 Ravenwing Bikers
4 Deathwing Terminators
5 Deathwing Knights
5 Assault Terminators
2 Terminator Captains
9 Converted CSM
Landspeeder Storm
8 Scouts
4 Lootas
5 Custodes
4 Sisters of Silence
22 Ork Boyz
11 Nobz
4 Burnas
Painboy
Deff Dread
Deffkopta
Contemptor Dreadnought
Lord of Contaigion
Start Collecting Skeleton Hordes set
5 BT Neophytes
Blood Bowl
10 Chaos Knights
5 Chaos Chosen
Slambo
8 Terminators
Terminator Apothecary

Send Help

>> No.55783857

Ok now IG got released, now question is which codexs will be released before the end of years?

I has heard it was either tyranid or eldar.

>> No.55783859

>>55783847
Is it just the conscripts that are OP or is it everything?

>> No.55783862

>>55783791
No, Guard are balance. The issue is all the Eldar and Tau faggots who can't adjust to not being OP anymore and thus lash out and blame Guard for their own failures and insecurities.

>> No.55783864

>>55783791
Very much so, not that guardfags will admit it.

>> No.55783869
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>>55783528
How does it feel that your precious Acid Dogs will be forced to worship, revere, and breed for an alien race that doesn't even acknowledge their existence until there's nothing left to consume besides them. Where their whole world will come crashing down on them as they panic once their "angels" start cutting them down, and their once great leader is nothing more than a beast once again in control of the Hive Mind.

Well shit. Genestealer cults are alot more lovecraftian that I thought they were.

>> No.55783872

>>55783791
A little bit yeah.
The rules currently favour horde armies, Guard have the best way of ignoring the weakness of horde armies, and GW lied about battleshock being a big deal.
The rules are even going to start favouring hordes more when Chapter Approved drops since "largest army goes last" is being reworked.

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>>55783848
>shooting himself with that type of pasta
I guess the penne was mightier than the sword.

>> No.55783877
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55783877

Can an Elysian list be good?

I was thinking of running Elysian Drop Troops with a detachment of Storm Troopers as well, but I don't know exactly how that would turn out.

I kind of want the Storm Troopers to be their own detachment so they get their extra shots on 6s rule.

Also looking at running some flyers because airborne paratroopers division.

>> No.55783879

>>55783859
Conscripts aren't even OP anymore, they got nerfed hard in the codex.

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>>55783875

>> No.55783894

>>55783859
There's a lot of reasons, Bullgryns, Conscripts, Scions, Shadowsword, tauroxes, Commissars. Toss in the fact that Celestine gives guard a 6++ invuln (Improvable by strategems and psyker powers), and you've got a recipe for disaster.

>> No.55783899

>>55783869
>ignoring that the Acid Dog's fluff is all about being able to easily identify mutants and dunk them in acid.
Your precious nids wouldn't stand a chance.

Also, if you want lovecraftian GSC, see here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_1k-lOto8

>> No.55783910

>>55783859
Not everything, but a fair chunk of stuff. On the whole, they're consistently undercosted, have options out the ass and great synergies along with boatloads of shooting and spammable infantry along with very strong tanks.

But once again, Guardfags are so used to hiding under the banner of "we're all the most fluffy, bro-tier and chill players, Tau and Eldars and [insert faction here] are cancer!" that they'll deflect and ignore blatant facts to keep their worldview in place.

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>>55783613
5 Scions
10 Muhrines
10 Scouts
10 Ork boyz
1 Nob
10 Tau
Shadow War Terrain
1 Hive tyrant
12 Termigants
I shouldn't buy so many box sets

>> No.55783924

>>55783910
t. Taufag

You're just getting what NPCs deserve you raging faggot.

>> No.55783925

>>55783910

Xenosfags (such as yourself) are the cancer though.

>> No.55783944

>>55783879
They got mildly nerfed. They're still essentially immune to morale with a Commissar and cheap and durable enough that nothing can kill them without costing significantly more than them. Orders were a bonus, and now they get doctrines to boot.

>> No.55783958

Does anyone have the eye of night mp3?

>> No.55783960

So I just assembled a Daemon Prince of Nurgle.

Are all resin models this shit? This thing fit together so badly there are visible gaps.

>> No.55783967

>>55783944
>They're still essentially immune to morale with a Commissar
>Muh Commissar
>What is a sniper?
Here we have an Eldar Player in his natural habitat, trying to understand how to play when his units aren't OP anymore.

>> No.55783977

>>55783960
Depends really, GW resin is some of the shittiest resin on the market, but I got some 3rd party minis that had pretty good quality resin.

>> No.55783978

>>55783910

Case in point:

>>55783924
>>55783925
>>55783944

>> No.55783985

>>55783960
You've discovered the joys of Finecastâ„¢, anon.

>> No.55783992

How are SM's supposed to handle guard now that they're so OP.

>> No.55784007

>>55783978
>REEEEEE, I can't deal with criticism, REEEEEEEEE
L2P faggot

>>55783992
By learning to play.

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>>55783960

>> No.55784031

>>55783992
Scouts with shotguns in Landspeeder Storms, and all the assault cannons. Also Scouts in Landspeeder Storm with sniper rifles to pick off characters then relocate which is hilarious.

>> No.55784035

>>55783978
You are a colossal faggot.

>> No.55784076

>>55783286
Cpl. Precarious

>> No.55784084

>>55783978
bring answers in your own army like everyone else you colossal dickchungler

>> No.55784096

>>55784031
k. Now how do i deal with their cheap as shit high toughness tanks?

>> No.55784104

>>55784007
>>55784035
fuck off guardfags, you've always kind of been cunts but with some brotier players and an underpowered army you were ignored in favour of Tau and Eldar, now that you've got some power you're showing just how insufferable you cunts are and can't handle the negative attention being brought to you for once

>> No.55784114

>>55783967
There's some irony here in the fact that Eldar, Imperials, and Tau are the only ones with sniper rifles in 8th when they were the steamrollers of 7th, but I can't put my finger on it.

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>The shitposters are on the loose again
This is why I usually stay away from /40kg/

>> No.55784122

What GW did to Tau disgusts me. I've bought every Tau kit dozens of times, there's probably no one else out there who loves this faction more than I. I've been waiting for this edition for what feels like a lifetime, and they fuck me over like this? Fuck you games workshop. They should have made tau a better faction. Guarantee every tourney win went to fat ass slobs who play guard like the WAACfags they are. Fuck this. I was up last night all night, couldn't sleep, I haven't ate in 24 hours. I don't even feel like eating again DESU, the shock of it all is just too much. I really hope someone starts a class action over this bullshit, I've never experienced PTSD like this in my life and I served 2 tours in Iraq. Fuck this and fuck Games Workshop

>> No.55784125

>>55784104
I'm a Necron player, you fucking mong. Just calling you out on your shit.

>> No.55784137

>>55784122
You want some cheese with that whine?

>> No.55784147

>>55784122
I'm stealing this.

>> No.55784156

>>55784031
That seems like a lot of points to take care of a single commisar.

>> No.55784157

>>55784114
If it helps, Tau sniping is a colossal dumpster fire. Sniper Drones need two supporting units (Firesight Marksman and some battlesuit with Drone Controller) to get to halfway decent BS, and by then you've sunk so many points for still-mediocre shooting you're incredibly unlikely to make them back. IIRC the best snipers point-for-point are either Ratlings or Necron Deathmarks, the mathhammer sheet in the OP has a tab on it.

>> No.55784161

>>55783925
>>55783924
Yes, I'm so glad that in a science fantasy universe with a dozen neat races and dozens more unexplored along with infinite possibilities that the boring humans are the group that gets the most focus. I was sick of space marines before I even started playing.

>> No.55784172

>>55784161
Good, leave this game then. NPC races should just be squatted.

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>>55784114
Necrons have snipers too

>> No.55784177

>>55784125
That wasn't me (the original complainer), by the way. I don't need insults when the facts are on my side :^)

>> No.55784196

I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single unit of 30 conscripts is "OP". It's not. They're the Guard's GEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring a tac squad or some guardians. If they bring 150 and hidden commissars, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

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>>55784156
>Scouts
>Landspeeder Storm
>A lot of points

>> No.55784208

>>55784172
How does it feel to be such a boring person?

>> No.55784210

>>55784197
How many turns does it take them to kill their points in commissars?

>> No.55784214

>>55784161
Nobody cares about your space weaboos.

>> No.55784218

Guard were always OP, This isn't something new to 8th.
The guardfags at my LGS always played WAAC as shit.
>10 bullgryns
>Comissar with two powerfists
>Primaris psyker casting endurance
Fuck guard.

>> No.55784223

>>55784125
and I'm a Chaos player with no snipers outside of banned and underpowered Forgeworld allies, and Daemons who got gimped by 8th so heavily they're weaker than fucking army men.
My Daemons can't leap out of the warp anymore they have to be summoned, they don't bring warpstorms with them anymore, although my Masque finally has some protection from standard boltguns now so there's one plus.
You playing Necrons doesn't stop Guardfags from being cunts, calling factions NPC's, then accusing SM players of doing it later.

>> No.55784224

>>55784210
You can kill more than just a commissar with a landspeeder storm full of scouts

>> No.55784230

Can I play guard effeciently without using conscripts? I don't wanna paint that many minis for just one blob.

>> No.55784239

>>55784122
>I really hope someone starts a class action over this bullshit
we should draft one for shits and giggles

>> No.55784241

>>55784196
Put conscripts in ruins and it takes forever to remove them.

>> No.55784243

>>55784197
Okay i want you to keep me the point breakdown of what you would take.

>> No.55784249

>>55784147
Oh, hai Angelos.

>> No.55784251

>>55784230
yeah, just be like my friend and spam tanks. Nobody will have fun playing against you but you'll do well.

>> No.55784252

>>55784197
>Commissars are 30ppm
>A single landspeeder is 80, plus 15 per Scout with sniper rifles
>A five man squad doesn't average enough wounds to kill a single Commisar in a turn of shooting

What did he mean by this?

>> No.55784262

>>55784251
Seems like nobody has fun in this hobby anyway.

>> No.55784271

>>55784262
I havent played a single game but i am having fun painting.

>> No.55784272

>>55784210
2.7
>>55784224
Not if you're using them for what you bought them, you're not.

>>55784223
Hey, chin up. Infernal Gaze on a Sorcerer can be a passable sniper substitute.

>> No.55784278

>>55784243
I play Templars so I've never fielded scouts or a Landspeeder storm before but the point costs of scouts and the Landspeeder storm is pretty fucking cheap compared to everything else the SMs have.

>> No.55784288

>>55784096
Same way you always did, they are T8 for Leman Russ, T7 for anything that uses the Chimera, and T6 for everything else, powerfists and lightning claws work, but, so do power axes. Assault Cannons also do decently due to volume of fire, Stormtalon Gunship should do pretty decently, Twin Lascannons as well off of anything that can carry it. Hell throw down a Land Raider Redeemer with something with lightning claws so you can re-roll shit or assault squad with eviscerators making them wound on 4's, hit on 4's, and the tanks get no saves. Or just bring grave cannons with grav-amps and laugh. Sure you need a 5+ to wound, but, they need a 6+ to save and you do D3 wounds with them. Or just lascannon spam as usual.

>> No.55784293

>>55783286
Kang

>> No.55784295
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>"And now that he had fiinally cast off the illusory faith in the Emperor and rededicated himself to the Powers, what now? Did he need Kor Phaeron?" (...) "Lorgar would dispose of him as easily as he sloughed away all previous faiths and guises. Always with regret, always with tears and self-flagellation, but all the same Lorgar removed every obstacle between himself and his goal."

So did he believe in the Emperor or what?

>> No.55784308

>>55783286
Mr Lister the sister fister

>> No.55784309
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55784309

What book(s) go over the resurrection of Girlyman and maybe Fall of Cadia too? Basically Greyfax and Celestine teaming up until Girlyman's return and crowning or whatever.

Or is it just descriptions in a campaign book or how does that work?

>> No.55784312

>>55784295
can you even read?

>> No.55784318

>>55784308
Mrs lister the fister resister

>> No.55784322

>>55784312
Illusionary, guises? Would imply not?

>> No.55784328 [DELETED] 

Imperial Guard players are a plague sent straight from hell. I have bent over backwards for a good 27 years of my life; feeling sorry for Guardfags, making exceptions for people that I normally wouldn't make exceptions for, tried talking to Guardfags, tried compromising, etc. I mean the list LITERALLY goes on and on, but I have came to the conclusion. There is no working with Guardfags; no compromising. No feeling sorry for Guardfags. Because those same Guardfags that I looked out for, STILL treated me like shit when I needed their help. I no longer feel sorry for black people. I am proud of my Eldar models. I'm simply proud of my faction. If Guardfags can make their shitposts, produce spam their way through tournaments, and get thousands of CPs in 2000 point matches, then I can be proud of my faction. Without feeling guilt or anything. Guardfags, 7th Edition is over. No more feeling sorry for you. You have support than I have. Not to mention, the Guardfags I work with make fun of me, and even steal my models, and I'm supposed to feel sorry for you? The GW should tell Guardfags to go fuck themselves. I have wanted to; too many times, but I don't want to get insulted. Great job to GW.

>> No.55784331

Is it only assault that can be fired after advancing? Or rapid fire too?

>> No.55784332

>>55784271
>TFW I want to get into it just to build the models, but they're far more expensive than most other model kits and it'd seem like a waste if I didn't play.

>> No.55784345

>>55783286
Genghis FuckNids.

>> No.55784346

>>55784331
Only Assault.

>> No.55784349

>>55784318
>>55783286
Listers Sister the Fister Resister

>> No.55784364
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55784364

I have a weird feeling that GW let Cruddace write the new guard dex.

>> No.55784365

>>55783286
Bob

>> No.55784368

>>55784328
>I no longer feel sorry for black people.
I think you forgot to change that bit.

>> No.55784372

>>55783780
Bring back 5E FOC and limit to one detachment. If you want gimmicks like all tanks or all knights you have to pay CP, HQ tax, and give up scoring ability

>> No.55784391

Imperial Guard players are a plague sent straight from hell. I have bent over backwards for a good 27 years of my life; feeling sorry for Guardfags, making exceptions for people that I normally wouldn't make exceptions for, tried talking to Guardfags, tried compromising, etc. I mean the list LITERALLY goes on and on, but I have came to the conclusion. There is no working with Guardfags; no compromising. No feeling sorry for Guardfags. Because those same Guardfags that I looked out for, STILL treated me like shit when I needed their help. I no longer feel sorry for Guardfags. I am proud of my Eldar models. I'm simply proud of my faction. If Guardfags can make their shitposts, produce spam their way through tournaments, and get thousands of CPs in 2000 point matches, then I can be proud of my faction. Without feeling guilt or anything. Guardfags, 7th Edition is over. No more feeling sorry for you. You have support than I have. Not to mention, the Guardfags I work with make fun of me, and even steal my models, and I'm supposed to feel sorry for you? The GW should tell Guardfags to go fuck themselves. I have wanted to; too many times, but I don't want to get insulted. Great job to GW.

>> No.55784398

>>55783286
Robin Cruddace

>> No.55784402

>>55784272
Shortest range on a sniper I've ever heard of but that's basically what I use it for.
But then I need to GET the Sorcerer in range.
So it's best to take Jump Pack Sorcerer and some Warp Talons, take Warp Time as my second power and charge the Warp Timed Warp Talons into the character or blob protecting it, or both if I can, not like warpflamed Warp Talons care about Overwatch let alone Disordered Charge Overwatch.
I'd still like the option to at least equip a single cultist with a sniper or some kind of CSM style sniper weapon, for fuck sake we're magic warp monsters we can shoot fire from our eyes and shove a daemon in a tank but we can't take some kind of Warp Sight upgrade that lets us target Characters for 25 points?
I'd pay to put that on Combi-plasma Terminators.

>> No.55784424

>>55783286
Impeach Grumpf

>> No.55784425

>>55784391
LITERALLY shaking here

>> No.55784435

Infoslave Skull (2 CP): Use after an enemy unit arrives on the battlefield as reinforcements within 12" of one of your infantry units. You can immediately shoot at the enemy as if it were the shooting phase, but you must subtract 1 from all the resulting hit rolls.

It says as if it were the shooting phase, does that mean you can reroll shots because of Cawl?

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>>55784391
>tfw you've lived long enough to see Guardfags exposed for the shit they really are
Next is Chaosfags.

>> No.55784446

>>55783286
Evil Fascist Tyrant Blurnald Blurmpff

>> No.55784447

>>55783286
two scoops
>>55784391
ebin pasta

>> No.55784451

>>55784391
u mad bro

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>>55784391

>> No.55784482

>>55783286
Ash Williams

>> No.55784488

>>55784364
Nah, it was a new guy. James Gallagher is the name, I believe.

>> No.55784490

>>55784482
Pablo.

>> No.55784491

>>55784332
They're not a waste if you like the models. Isn't that the whole point of painting models like tanks and Gundams? Being able to play a game with the models is just a bonus.

I'll never understand why you poorfags use the stupidest things like price tags and "usefulness" dictate your luxury recreational expenditure. Do you like it? Can you afford it? If yes to both, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND BUY IT. Or don't buy it, but either way just shut the fuck up.

I want a Porsche but I can't afford it. I have an S2000 and can afford it. I don't want a Mustang and can afford it. I don't want a Rolls Royce and can't afford it. I don't complain about any of these things. And yet for some unfathomable reason, you guys just whine about the price of $50 toys all fucking day long. BUY IT OR DONT. LIKE IT OR DONT

>> No.55784500

Why the fuck didn't they make the shooting phase alternate? Who looked at the game design and went "Yeah, its good to have one side alpha the fuck out of the other"?

>> No.55784509

>>55784252
Commissar is 31 points bare bones (30 for the model 1 for the required bolt pistol that you take, or boltgun that costs the same). Scouts are 11 points per model, smallest squad is 5, so 55 points before equipment, give them 5 sniper rifles that is 20 points (snipers are 4 points per rifle), so that is 75 points already. Land Speeder Storm is 70 points bare Bones, comes with Cerberus Launcher (5 points) and a heavy bolter (10 points) which is 85 points. Total it is 75+85, so 160 points, 5 guys shooting on 4+'s against the commissar if the vehicle has moved, or 3+'s if it hasn't while the vehicle can pump out some decent damage with the Heavy bolter. Cerberus Launcher is only 18" range, but Heavy D6 S4 AP0 D1 which is okay, but not likely to get used much. Don't need camo cloaks though which cheapens it.

Or you can just go shotguns for drive by's, you save 20 points, but, get 2 shots each and if you sit at 6" away get S5 shots which is hilarious against conscripts or infantry squads. Probably blow away a good chunk of them.

>> No.55784510

>>55784490
>>55783286
Juan the border hopper

>> No.55784513

>>55784372
I just wonder how different the meta would be if you kept the "max 3 detachments" thing, but one of them had to be Brigade.

>> No.55784522

>>55784510
Butters.

>> No.55784533

>>55783286
Incest Smith

>> No.55784536

>>55784513
Some factions can't even fill a brigade without crippling themselves.

>> No.55784538
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55784538

Cute. Reading Void Stalker and there's a part where one Nostraman squad member is calling out one of their new members for being from another planet, instantly the others all leap to his defence and call the accusations prejudiced.

Later when the Nostraman sees the new guy cut off a guy's hand casually out of frustration, he earns his respect.

>> No.55784542

>>55783286
Archie Bunker

>> No.55784549

>>55784122
This is quality pasta

>> No.55784551

>>55784513
What about armies that can't fill Brigade detachments?

>> No.55784555
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>>55784536
"What are Grey Knights for 400?", please.

>> No.55784562

>>55784536
>>55784551
Which ones are you thinking of?

>> No.55784568

>>55784562
Off the top of my head, Inquisition

>> No.55784570

Does anyone think Imperial Guard orders should go off in the Psychic Phase?

>> No.55784577

>>55783286
>>55784542
rerollan Archie Bunker

>> No.55784580

>>55784562
Gray Knights and Necrons for one.

>> No.55784588

>>55784562
Grey Knights, Adeptus Custodes, Inquisition are three. Harlequins are another.

>> No.55784591
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Holy shit, I thought Guard and FW were cancer. Imagine my shock at how cancerous FW Guard players are...

You're paying huge sums of money for unique models while your army gets the best rules and then you throw a little bitch fest because the rules are not 100% in your favour.

This all but confirms that Krieg, Elysian and what else players started it because they had a rules advantage, not because 'they looked cool'. So you not only have FW and Guard you mix in WAAC too. Oh and most of these Krieg fanboys are the type who collect Nazi memorabilia and pretend they aren't racist asshats.

FW, Guard, WAAC and /polfags/. All in one place. I'm sickened.

>> No.55784600

>>55783286
Triggered Tau Player

>> No.55784601

>>55784491
It's not the price, it just feels like a waste if I'm buying something and purposely ignoring half of its intended purpose. For example, nerf guns are cheaper than real guns, but while I'd like to collect nerf, I don't because I'm not going to actually use them. I'm fine buying one real gun instead of a dozen nerf guns because I'll actually use the gun.

>> No.55784606

>>55784591
>Krieg
>rules advantage

>> No.55784615

>just get into the hobby months ago
>pick guard because I like the aesthetic
>turns out its the most hated army in the fanbase
I really fucked up.

>> No.55784616
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>>55783613
7x W.I.P Plague Marines
14x Plague Marines still on sprue
40x Poxwalkers still on sprue
20x Cultists Primed
2x Blight bringers (one being converted into a Chaos Lord)
2x Plaguecasters (Doing some converting to remove the baby face)
1x Lord of Contagion (Converting to Chaos Lord)
1x Bloat Drone
The four new characters are all ordered and will be getting here eventually.

All the Primaris stuff from one box set.
A handful of Dark Angels conversion stuff for it.
(Not even touching it until there's a codex out with everything else in the backlog)

And a bunch of stuff I have sitting around for terrain.
(If anyone works at a location where you have plastic debit rolls, keep em, they make decent pipes)
(I've stock piled like 50 or so of the damn things)


Also what ever comes from this:
>Parents on yearly vacation
>"Anything you want while we're down here?"
>*jokingly* "Over priced plastic? Haha."
>"The war stuff you paint?"
>"Yes, but no, it's way too expensive."
>A week goes by
>Get text from Dad
>Picture from inside a GW store
>"We got a surprise for us!"
>Us
>Mfw

>> No.55784619

>>55784570
I don't see much difference between "just before the shooting phase" and "at the beginning of the shooting phase"

>> No.55784620

>guard players
nest of THAT guys all along

>> No.55784624

>>55784615
Ignore the faggots, Guard is great
t. been playing Guard since 3rd

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>>55784615

>1 or 2 guys forcing the 'IG are the new Tau' meme
>most hated fanbase

>> No.55784631

>>55784568
>>55784580
>>55784588

You're right. I think that Custodes and Inquisition (and possibly AdMech) could be considered "slot-in" factions that are meant to be played in conjunction with other armies as support, but I'm surprised Grey Knights and especially Necrons can't fill the Batallion. What are they missing? Fast Attack?

>> No.55784637

>>55784615
Don't worry anon. /tg/ hates whatever army is best at the time. It'll blow over soon whens something becomes more OP.

>> No.55784645

6th Guard Vet here. If it wasn't for me we'd have significantly less color based maymays in these threads. Guardfags provide a service to the community.

>> No.55784646

>>55784637
Eldar and Nids are next

>> No.55784651

>>55784631
They can fill a Brigade, but not under 2000 points.

>> No.55784658

>>55783725
No one is saying anything about creating unique stats and wargear. But the separation of model points and weapon/ wargear points does lend itself to broader kit loadouts. GW has already done the legwork in accounting for every possible option by making universal weapon point costs. If a boltgun is 1pt in the guard dex and 1pt in the marine dex. Why couldnt it be 1pt in the hands of a skitarii vanguard? You see what I mean? The options should be there for those who wish to put in the effort to make different and customs squads. I have an old guard command squad with two of the vets carrying storm bolters. Why cant I pay the universal storm bolter point cost and equip my command vets with them in 8th?

I understand the concept of army Identity and a desire for different playstyles. But i'm within the belief that is more dirrived from model aesthetics and army special rules. A guardsman with a bolter or radium carbine might not play out as different as you think. Hes still light infantry compaired to other options in lieu of his stats and prolly hits just as hard statisticly as a lasguard under orders. I just variation. In a game that takes place on a glactic scale, variation makes sense. Hell, one of core themes of the imperium is it huge diversity, its supposed to be a chaotic mess.

Would you personally refuse a game if I were to show up with lets say, a guard army that contained chimeras that had autocannon turrets? I paid the universal point cost for the autocannon, would that really be unreasonable?

>> No.55784663

>>55784615
Most hated are Eldar but only in a memey way, Tau in a sincere and kinda excessive way, Space Wolves in a vocal minority way. Guard is well-liked in general, it's just a few loud asshats that give the faction a bad name. Take a peek at this thread for some prime examples

>> No.55784672

>>55784658
Yes

>> No.55784683

>>55784631
Necrons can fill one but it'd be an awful army.

>> No.55784685

>>55784658
>Would you personally refuse a game if I were to show up with lets say, a guard army that contained chimeras that had autocannon turrets? I paid the universal point cost for the autocannon, would that really be unreasonable?
No, because Chimeras can take Autocannon turrets.

>> No.55784689

>>55784663
Name them. Call them out on their faggotry

>> No.55784690

>>55784591
EDT have always been shit though. MT band wagoners are the real bastards

>> No.55784694

>>55784615
It's just a couple of Tau faggots who desperately tries to shift the blame.

>> No.55784696

I hope named Guard anon uses my names
>>55784658
I wouldn't refuse because i'm not an autist

>> No.55784697

>>55784651
GK can fill a Brigade. But it is a GARBAGE list.
3 Brohood Champs, 3 Purifier squads, 3 Interceptor Squads, 6 Strike Squads, and 3 Purgation Squads comes in around 1925pts if I'm not mistaken. Good luck killing anything T6+.

>> No.55784705

>>55783286
Saq M'Diq

>> No.55784708

>>55783613
Noise Marines are still unpainted, so are my Raptors, Possessed, Terminators, Cultists
10 Daemonettes are still unfinished
Terminator Sorcerer
6 Bikes
A bunch of unfinished basic dudes
2 unfinished Helbrutes, one is fucked up though
an unfinished Daemon Prince, just a basic sword one
And a Heldrake still in the box.
And I'm buying a box of Chaos Bikers and Seekers tomorrow to make three mounted Characters, Lord, Sorcerer, and fancy Lord with Blissgiver Whip.

>> No.55784716

>>55784615
I feel for you. Though more long winded case for me. Started as Chaos Space Marines back in 5th Edition, enjoyed it, but, Guard felt more at home with and Eldar was still all the rage so I wanted to stay away from it to prevent accusations. Never been fast at putting stuff together and refuse to play with unpainted mini's so fast forward to now when I finally have a painted Guard army and I am like "well, I guess I can finally start that Eldar army..."

>> No.55784717

>>55784658
There aren't universal weapons costs though. Even in the guard dex you pay different prices for plasma guns depending on what you can take them for.

>> No.55784719

>>55784683
So par for the course for Necrons, then?

>> No.55784722

>>55784689
>name them
>anonymous board

>>55784658
It does sound like nasty potential for netlisting. We'd need much more comprehensive rules about how heavy things are, else you'll want to give Rapid Fire Battle Cannons to guard Heavy Weapons Teams and put Plasma Obliterators on Razorbacks,

>> No.55784733

>>55784719
We don't need kicking while we're down.

>> No.55784742
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55784742

in an old thread someone made an idea for a SM chapter with chem-burns on the greaves. I had some free time.

>> No.55784752

>>55784722
You still know who they are, don't be coy.
I know we all hate that Steel Legion elitist prick

>> No.55784755

>>55784606
>ignore morale
>not advantage

>> No.55784764

>>55784658
Would you refuse to play me if I put volcano cannons on all my rhinos? I paid the points for them and marines have access to volcano cannons now due to the glaive tank

>> No.55784770

>>55784722
Technically I would be able to put an infinite number of Volcano Cannons on my Leman Russes because they're free.

>> No.55784774

>>55784696
Which ones are yours?

>> No.55784775

>>55784755
Boy oh boy, do I love paying 10 points a pop to ignore morale in the shooting phase!

>> No.55784789

>>55784764
Personally I'd prefer to have volcano cannons on my scions.

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>Lord Commissar is equiped with a power sword
>Can exchange it for up to 2 items from the melee weapons list
>there are only 2 items on the melee weapons list
>one of which is a power sword

What did they mean by this?

>> No.55784800

>>55784774
Archie Bunker and some others
I'm giggling because I rolled dubs on it, so enjoy Sergeant Archie Bunker

>> No.55784803

>>55784752

The battle reports guy?

>> No.55784807

>>55784689
Firstly, this is an anonymous board, friend. Aside from that, I have been letting them prove my point in this thread. Say anything halfway negative about Guard and you're sure to catch a few, and it doesn't even have to be bait. Just facts they don't like.

>> No.55784810

>>55784755
And they cost more for it, whereas other factions get their tactics for free.

>> No.55784815

>>55784796
>this fag doesn't trade one sword for two
>he doesn't know economics!

>> No.55784828

>>55784796
You can take two power fists, or go back to the index and take a power weapon from there at costs listed there that aren't in the codex. As the codex supersedes the index. So you can take a maul or axe as well.

>> No.55784831

>>55784796
>not taking a Power Axe or Maul

>> No.55784837
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55784837

This is dumb right? I shouldnt do this right?
Someone stop me plz

>> No.55784848

>>55784770
>turn 1 hit every unit in your opponent's army with an infinite number of volcano cannons

Would you even roll?

>> No.55784849

>>55784807
Yesssss yessss go on.

>> No.55784859

>>55784848
what if you rolled an infinite number of 1s

>> No.55784864

>>55784800
I'm running 5 infantry squads, so he'll definitely be in

>> No.55784868

>>55784837
Well that's quite a few mortal wounds you got there. Just missing some Zoanthropes.

>> No.55784872

>>55784796
They mean exchange last years power sword model for this years power sword model, and get a free power fist in the process.

They also mean 'we can't write good 'dex's anymore'

>> No.55784879

>>55784658
>300 conscripts with storm bolters and Vostroyan Doctrine

Sounds legit and fluffy.

>In a game that takes place on a glactic scale, variation makes sense.

If it wasn't for galaxy wide regulations, such as those the Guard imposes on troops and equipment. Logistics are a bitch and the Munitorum is not going to start producing 5,000 different munitions for units across the galaxy. If your regiment doesn't use a gun with regulation mandated caliber/power outlet, guess who's not getting resupplied in the field.


Have you tried, say, Inquisitorial Acolytes?

>> No.55784883

>>55784770
>>55784764
Volcanomind

>> No.55784884

>>55784864
Thanks anon, I rolled some others too, so it seems like you still have plenty of guardsmen to go around
Hopefully I can get trips to get Cobra Commander

>> No.55784892
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Please explain how in a 2k point game any army is supposed to beat an average Guard army with 5 or so Leman Russes with Punisher Cannons + HB sponsons (49 shots a turn EACH), a couple Basilisks (D3 damage, multiple shot lascannons that don't need line of sight) and various meat shield infantry all under their buffs, orders and auras.
Any army at all (aside from another guard army), even in theorycraft mode.

>> No.55784893
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>>55784848
Yes. Like this

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>>55784810
Speaking of which, since Krieg are in a bad spot right now, would making their doctrine +1 to hit in melee and ignoring bullet holes be on par with the other doctrines after the vehicles get updated?

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>>55784631
Necrons can easily fill out a Batallion. Wraiths are stupendous fast attack choices. Why would you not take the M10" WS BS 3+ S6 T6 A3 3+ invuln death machines?

Captcha = Cannon Snake

>> No.55784907

>>55784815
Even Jesus said to buy swords and didn't tell his disciples they had enough until they presented two swords. Forgot the passage but it's true. "Sell your cloak and buy a sword"

>> No.55784911
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55784911

why do you play space marines or any other imperial army ive always found humans boring to play as in sci fi and fantasy so why do you guys play humans?
>I play all eldar races and slaanesh
>sisters would be the one imperium race I play

>> No.55784916

>>55783286
Ivan the remover

>> No.55784923

>>55783286
John F Kennedy

>> No.55784926

>>55784892
>what is anti-tank?

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>>55784911
Do you even have to ask?

>> No.55784932
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55784932

So I was thinking:

how does each faction's army-defining Lord of War match up with each other?

Assuming they each go 1v1 against one other LoW at a time, starting at 36" from each other

Ultramarines: Roboute Guilliman
Chaos Space Marines: Khorne Lord of Skulls
Tzeentch: Kairos Fateweaver
Slaanesh: Keeper of Secrets
Nurgle: Great Unclean One
Khorne: Bloodthirster
Thousand Sons: Magnus the Red
Death Guard: Mortarion
Astra Militarum: Baneblade
Adeptus Mechanicus: Imperial Knight
Craftworld Eldar: Wraithknight
Ynnari: The Yncarne
Necrons: Tesseract Vault
Tyranids: Hierodule
Orks: Stompa
Tau: Stormsurge


I went out of my way to not include titans.

>> No.55784933

>>55784911
>aelf scum
>slaanesh
>SOBbers

looks like waifu shittery to me, degenerate

>> No.55784937

>>55784911

>why do people enjoy different things than me?!
Because they have different tastes, autism kun

>> No.55784938

>>55783286
Hillary Clinton

>> No.55784944

>>55783286
Helen Keller

>> No.55784945

>>55784902
Because they're expensive and die to mortal wounds. Also having to take MSU troops hurts you as you can't take advantage of RP.

>> No.55784947

>>55784911
I play guard because in a world of futuristic super-men, aliens with super powerful guns, monsters who flay their enemies and wear their skin...the guard use modern-day-looking tanks and flimsy body armour.

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>>55784911
>all eldar races
>and Slaanesh
Slaanesh what? Daemons or CSM?
Also I see you're a degenerate as well

>> No.55784957

>>55784894
How are Krieg in a bad spot? Just not as good as GW Guard until they get their relics/doctrines/<regiments>?

Or have I been out of the loop 3 days and FW released some bad rules?

>> No.55784970

>>55784957
They're like Index guard without access to the good tanks.

>> No.55784971

>>55784911
>I can't find something interesting unless it's a bizarre non human alien sex demon
>I can't even find standard popular sci fi fare like laser gun military and super soldiers in power armor interesting like most people do

Sounds like you just have brain damage.

>> No.55784978

>>55784926
Assuming Guard doesn't get 1st turn and wipe all your shit:
>use all my anti-tank to blow up ~2 Russes
>get all your shit wiped next turn anyway
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>> No.55784979
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>>55784911
>not liking Space Crusaders

>> No.55784982

>>55783354
C H I N A M A N
H
I
N
A
M
A
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>> No.55784986

>>55783286
DSP
alternatively
>WOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT BERSERKERS ARE STRONGER THAN ME, BUGGED BALANCE MECHANCIS

>> No.55784992

>>55784892
Mortal wound spam. Alternatively, a shotgun, an actual one to the player's face.

In seriousness S6+ weapon spam (aka assault cannon spam, plasma spam, seriously, anything over S4 is viable against a leman russ, just go for AP-2 or better so they save on a +5).

>> No.55784993

>>55784892
Why are eldar women always depicted as flat chested?

>> No.55784994

>>55784932
Greater Daemons aren't LOW
Greater Daemons are HQ and they're pretty useless at the moment.
Bloodthirsters and Lords of Change are okay but still not LOW.
Even Kairos isn't a LOW.

>> No.55784999

>>55784993
Elfs

>> No.55785001

>>55784828
>>55784831
2 powerfists is pointless, you get no benefit whatsoever.

I guess it makes sense when you consider the index, but when you look the the codex as a stand-alone document it's pretty badly worded.

What combination of weapons would you take anyway? Fist and axe? Sword and maul? At least if a chainsword had been on the list you could get an extra attack out of it.

>> No.55785008

>>55784932
I'd put my money on one of the Primarchs, probably Magnus.

>> No.55785009

>>55784986
>play against world eaters led by kharn
>conscripts fuck up kharn and his bloodthirsters

DSP would get fucked up though.

>> No.55785012

>>55784911
Picture should be a genestealer girl, instead, since they can actually ally, and all.

I thought about collecting a guard army as Tau Auxiliary. I almost pulled the trigger on buying some Lizardmen to convert into counts-as SOB for Tau Aux, until GW got rid of allies.

>> No.55785016

>>55784615
It's not, holy shit. That's Tau.

>> No.55785029

>>55785008
I was figuring it would be down to magnus, morty, or the baneblade.

>> No.55785030

>>55784970
>They're like Index guard
So in a great spot?

>> No.55785031

>>55785009
That's why I want DSP to land in his army
DSP will constantly get killed and he can make shitty DSP jokes when it happens

>> No.55785036

>>55784892
Speaking fro experience, I've found that my guys can't quite compete against psyker spamming daemon lords/princes/whatever they are, plague drones, and those zombie things. Charge the tanks with big stuff, charge the infantry with zombie hordes, snipe commanders and commisars when possible.

Alternatively, don't play against player like that?

>T. Guard player who is currently 3 and 10 for 8th edition because of a combination of not waacfagging, sub-optimal strategizing, and plain bad luck

>> No.55785042

>>55784892
Tyranids doing a massive alpha strike charge from DS and locking everything in combat.

>> No.55785046

>>55784932
The BEEEEEINNNBLEEEEHHDDDEEEE always wins.

>> No.55785050

>>55784993
because flat is delicious
also eldar/elves are supposed to have smaller mammary glands biologically speaking

>> No.55785051

>>55784945
Its a simple case of using them where its safe. They also move through terrain and give no fucks about dying with whip coils. They have 'might as well be snipers' with the Trans dimensional beamer as well as an S6 pistol. They are WAY worth their points. But if you dont want to take them, then get some Tomb Blades, They ignore cover saves and have all the good Necron Weapons as well as a 3+ 4+ and excellent movement.

>> No.55785057

>>55785030
Yeah, if Index guard didn't have conscripts and your only troop choice was more expensive.

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>>55784615

>buying and collecting an army so that other people will approve of it

Your opinion of your army is the only one that matters. Fuck haters.

>> No.55785061

>>55784994
>greater daemons aren't LoW

...really? Not even the forgeworld variants?

Not shifting the goalposts, I actually thought they were LoWs.

>> No.55785063

>>55785001
Maul and Fist is the best by mathhammer, personally I would go Axe and Fist due to one gives you more +1 STR -2 AP with the Axe, and then you have the fist which just wrecks shit.
If you have to pick just one on a Lord, take the fist, they have good enough WS that the -1 to hit is ignorable.

>> No.55785064

>>55785031
fuck meant to reroll DSP for
>>55783286

>> No.55785076

Why are the Tau so universally despised? Is it because they're the weakest faction in the lore?

>> No.55785078

>>55784911
>play guard
I like the ability to autisticly form realistic units in a game about fantasy space war. (For example if I take 4 commanders and 90 guardsmen, then il mentally divide them into 3 31-man infantry platoon each led by an officer, with the remaining officer being the overall unit commander).

>> No.55785081

>>55784911
Because my Admech are glorious cyborg catholics with raygun gothic aesthetics and fucking awesome lore. Haven't found anything else in the game that's anywhere near as interesting once you get into some of the books and Forge World lore that's actually got some depth to it rather than GW's "lolcargocult idiots".

To me Slaanesh got old after Fulgrim and Eye of Medusa, although I enjoyed both of those.

>> No.55785087

>>55785050
Can't argue with that.

>> No.55785090

>>55784945
>die to mortal wounds
This is literally everything you fuck

>> No.55785093

>>55785050
aeldari are supposed to be unattractive to humans because they trigger the Uncanny Valley because they look TOO perfect.

So since cowtits are shit tier, aeldari would have properly sized tits.

>> No.55785097

>>55784685

They can't, unless your playing DKoK. They used to able to a couple editions back. But not currently.

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>>55785076

because this

>> No.55785103

>>55784932
Chadmech.jpg

>> No.55785108

>>55784391
>>55784591
getting this upset about IG like genuinely stop playing the game if you cant stand a small part of the fanbase to the point of
>Krieg fanboys are the type who collect Nazi memorabilia and pretend they aren't racist asshats
Like holy emperor fuck don't play against a guard player YOU have free will to do what you want you can say
>no im no gonna play FW rules
i did it to a nightlords player last week and you know what he did he did what other humans would do he changed his list to not use FW rules so all in all JFC git gud, use tau, stop playing or kill yourselfs

>> No.55785112

>>55783354
>makes a resin horde army
>expects it to cost a normal amount

Yeah and tell the class just how many infantry you put in your list you dumb faggot. I'm not even defending FW's ridiculous prices, I'm just tired of stupid ass motherfuckers Iike you sharing how surprised you are that your retard bike tipped over when you shoved a stick in the spoke like the dipshit you are.

Like seriously what are you gonna post next? "WhoOaAa this Titan legion with two warlords in it costs a lot!!!" "My girlfriend got mad that I tried to put my dick in her anus without lube when she was napping guys, wtf???"

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>>55783613
>Basically all the DA from Dark Vengeance save for half a squad of SM and one Ravonwing bike
>Helbrute
>Dark Vengeance Chosen
>Chaos Lord
>Aspiring Champion
>3 Plague Drones
>Herald of Nurgle
>2 Nurglings
>Half a CSM squad
>3 Obliterators
>2 Chaos Spawn
>Handful of Vampire Counts skeletons
>Squad of Ork boys
>a single Chaos Cultist I forgot to paint
>5 man Deathwatch squad

Ontop of all this Im going to finally be picking up Dark Imperium at some point soon, along with some of the new Death Guard releases. Send help

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>>55784930
crusades are nice

>>55784933
I will say my armies have waifubait but I dont see why thats a bad thing

>>55784937
don't understand the hostility did I insult your spaceknights?

>>55784947
thats like the exact reason I dont play them kek

>>55784949
both daemons and Emperor's children. slaanesh is degenerate yes but that why I love it.

>>55784971
I mean we see humans all the time I want to be a part of the space elves

>>55784979
red scorpions peaked my interest once and sisters would make good fanatics

>> No.55785127

>>55784717

It is actually. Its pretty explicit. If you have x ballistics skill, then y is the cost. Pretty simple and applies to all models.

>> No.55785136

>>55783613
>magnus the red(primed)
>talos pain engine(stripped down)
>6 reaver jetbikes
>13 various special weapons/vox/flagbearer guard infantry

>> No.55785138

>>55785101
I actually like the fact that tau were a little noblebright and have become more grimdark each edition as the universe they inhibit wears down their idealism.

>> No.55785139

>>55785051
Tomb blades are also overcosted jank.

>> No.55785142

>>55785122
I think you may literally have autism.

>> No.55785143

>>55785061
The ForgeWorld variants are supposed to be the FW Arch-Daemons which are LOW yes.
Arch-Daemons are to Greater Daemons as Heralds are to Lesser Daemons.
Arch-Daemons are also the closest we'll get to putting the Chaos Gods themselves on the table unless the power creep goes too far.
For one they're non-mechanical but they "explode" when they die, the Nurgle one drops his pus and guts everywhere when he dies which atrophies everything, the Tzeentch one lets out a psychic scream of pain that fucks you up if you're too close, the Khorne one literally just thrashes around and the Slaanesh one thrashes around but it's implied to enjoy it more.
Anyway, they have names, I can't spell them off the top of my head though, but if they were put in the mix my money would be on one of those four.

>> No.55785144

>>55785114
I would but...
>>55783848

>> No.55785146

>>55784509
If you play any non-codex its 80 points for the land speeder storm so it becomes 170 points for a group of scouts thats only going to do 1 wound per turn to a commissar.

>> No.55785148

>>55785078
>Putting your guardsmen in actual, military formations.
Hell yeah, my dude. I hate getting weird looks when I refer to my company commander and a captain, or platoon commanders as lieutenants
>Anon, company captains are a space marine thing, not a imperial guard thing.
No, shut up, you're a idiot

>> No.55785151

>>55785122
elves are basically just as common in fantasy games as humans though.

>> No.55785154

>>55785090
When their big defensive buff is a 3++ mortal wounds matter a lot more.

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>>55784911
>>55785122
Fucking Species traitor

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>>55785138

>> No.55785166

>>55783286
Bernie's Campaign

>> No.55785169

>>55785101
Thanks to the whole Farsight thing that is far less true than it was, but, for a long time, yeah, T'au were too good to be true. Thankfully GW wised up to that and made Farsight see that as well. Making them a race of Optimism that then met a hostile universe and has potentially a parasitic lifeforms controlling it's destiny with the Etheral's. Far more interesting than "we're space weebs who sterilize any race that we bring into the empire via force or don't want to share this planet with anymore!"

>> No.55785186

>>55784658
>GW has already done the legwork in accounting for every possible option by making universal weapon point costs. If a boltgun is 1pt in the guard dex and 1pt in the marine dex.
>universal weapon point costs
>universal

Where did this meme come from? Literally the very example you used is 100% incorrect. Bolt weapons are free in a SM army and cost a point in a guard army because weapons are still baked into units costs just not as obviously as before. This why a 'Force Stave' costs 0 in one army and 17 points in another.

>> No.55785187

>>55785148
>fails to see why using another factions name to improperly refer to his own factions units isn't stupid

No you're the idiot.

>> No.55785198

>>55785101

But they're in the setting now. If the problem is as dire as that screen cap suggests, how would you fix them? Or is it a moot point since GW may be shifting the tone of the setting towards a more optimistic outlook, anyway?

>> No.55785201

>>55785146
Snipers in general are pretty bad at their job. Look at the vindicare, supposedly the galaxies best snipers and will average 2 woulds a turn against a model a third of their cost.

>> No.55785204

>>55785097
You can take a Autocannon Chimera as non-DKoK.

>> No.55785211

>>55785198

See

>>55785156

>> No.55785213

>>55784722

Yeah I guess thats where it gets messy. As others have also pointed out (baneblade weapons costing 0 is a huge hole in the arguement). I wasnt thinking crazy shit or WAAC stuff. Just fun variations that break up the monotony that all wargear options feel like in 8th.

Stormbolters and demo charges as special weapons for guardsmen. Maybe an arc pistol for my Ad Mech tech priest. Power axe for my reiver sgt. Shit like that. Guess im just a nostalgia fag from way back when I first got into this game is all.

>> No.55785215

>>55785139
I really dislike them on some inner, unexplainable level. But They still fit the bill and they get RP, so that makes up for costs. I will still always take wraiths though. I still have only list maybe 8 games with Necrons this edition. My losses mostly come from missions where you take the objective and run away with it. I honestly dont understand the Doomsaying about necrons on /tg/

>> No.55785227

>>55785148
That's probably just so you can give them rank appropriate to their inspiration, like if you're doing a Roman regiment you can call your platoon commanders "Optio" and your Company commander a "Centurion"

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>>55785122
My man!
Love me some degeneracy.
I don't run any of the Eldar personally though, seems like it'd be odd for my armies to hate each other but that's probably just my personal autism talking.
My Aesthetic is Emperor's Children and Daemons fucking up entire planets and smoking/snorting souls as celebration
So I could run Dark Eldar but I just prefer all my armies be aligned to Slaanesh.

>> No.55785239

>>55785215
RP doesn't matter if you can wipe the squad in one turn.

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>>55783613
nothing
because I have no cash to spare for more warhams

>> No.55785249

>>55785076
50 percent bad experiences, 50 percent autism

>> No.55785254

>>55785187
>fails to see that Imperial Guard Officers are called Captains and Lieutenants in the fluff.
Are you retarded?

>> No.55785256

>>55785029
Well, if they start at 36" Magnus can Warptime himself into melee and kill it in aprox. two turns with psychic + melee while taking an average of 3-ish wounds in melee in return.

In theory. Baneblade can fall back and shoot him, and it packs some serious firepower. I think I'll mathhammer it later.

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>>55784911
I like humans. In every setting. At worst they're the underdogs.

>> No.55785279

>>55785061
FW archdaemons are named characters and eat anything in your list for lunch. At least Ang'grath and ARK do, and I'm pretty sure Scabeiatrax does too. Zarakinel might not.

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>>55785142
care to explain?

>>55785151
true I just meant I never find the human faction interesting

>>55785155
yeah maybe

>>55785237
sounds great and yeah I kinda thought of the whole my armies hate each other thing but o well. Slaanesh is best god love me the EC and deamonettes

>> No.55785295

>>55785156

So have they developed this further at all or is it just a theory right now? Also, I read in another thread here that the Tau are becoming pointless because the setting is moving forward and they will lose their "rapidly advancing new empire" schtick once everyone else starts actually progressing. Are they even relevant compared to the rest of the factions?

>> No.55785300

>>55785254
I'm doing Truskan Snowhounds and want to call them Luutanari and Vanrikki. Is that too much to ask?

>> No.55785306

>>55785076
at least at my locals, there are 2 'that guy's and one who never bathes.

two of them play tau.

Then there's the fact that tau aesthetics don't really match the rest of the universe, and their fluff alternating between having shades of grimdark and completely clashing with the rest of 40k lore.

>> No.55785323

>>55783613
Entire BoP set minus Sisters of silence
Imperial Guard HWT
Leman Russ from start collecting set
I need to build all of these still
>Painting
20 MK4 marines
untold amounts of regular marines
half the Sisters of Silence still
Devestators
Sternguard vets
Vanguard vets
terminator captain (blood angels varient)
2 more Cataphractii terminators
5 terminators from the same set as the blood angels captain
I'm sure i'm missing some, but goddammit I'm not even counting the unprimed models.

>> No.55785325

>>55785300
As long as you make sure all squads are at least 2 feet from each other at all times it should be fine,

>> No.55785326

>>55783875
CAAAAARLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS !

>> No.55785329

>>55785286
>true I just meant I never find the human faction interesting

>he says while playing a human faction

>> No.55785330

>That feel when you look at photos you took of mini's to show off for feedback and see problems in your painting that you wonder how the fuck you missed.

>> No.55785331

>>55785300
that sounds cool, any pics?

>> No.55785344

>>55785306
8th Edition is like if all those "why doesn't the imperium just X" Frodo questions became true.

Corruption, ignorance, and bureaucracy were the hallmarks of the Imperium in 40k. Without it, they're just any other generic human space empire.

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>>55785156

>> No.55785352

>>55785330
I'll zoom in with my camera when painting just to find these details. My eyes apparently aren't good enough anymore.

>> No.55785353

>>55785076
a) People don't like that they're not sufficiently grimdark and infringe in the MANLY MEN PENETRATING EACH OTHER WITH CHAINSWORDS WHILE SCREAMING HERESY fantasy.
b) They have the moral high ground on Imperials, which really triggers some Imperiumfags.
c) For 6th and 7th edition they were hella overpowered, and people don't let that go easily.
d) They play a mobile and shooty army with almost no melee and no psychic, which feels uninteractive for some.
e) Allegedly, their fans are just, the worst. I haven't ever met one of these awful Taufags that cry when they lose, gloat when they win and cheese everything and anything just to rub it in your face, but I hear so much about them they surely must exist.
f) The battlesuits and Japanese-inspired names and some aesthetics leads to the weeaboo meme, and some people loathe that.
g) Bandwagoning and memes.

>> No.55785358

>>55785323
oh I completely forgot
almost all the marines from Dark Imperium, only finished a single lieutenant (my spraycan fucked up and gave them this weird ass texture, this didn't happen to any other of my models)

>> No.55785368

>>55785254
>fails to see what the unit he is pointing at is called in the fucking rules for that unit

Sit down aspie

>> No.55785370

>>55785344
that's still happening, they just have an actual leader now, who's above the high lords.

>> No.55785377

>>55785201
Its why the whole argument bringing a sniper to deal with a commissar to stop conscript spam is just Bullshit they dont do enough wounds at their cost.

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55785381

>>55785331
I'm using my Finnish models from Bolt Action because I don't want to buy a new army.

>> No.55785382

>>55785090
Some things comparatively die a lot more to them, though. The more you rely on saves over wound count, the more vulnerable you are to MWs.

>>55785093
Other fluff says they make humans go tingly in the pants, no matter the gender. Also, shit taste bruv

>> No.55785394

>>55785377
The only snipers that it's remotely intelligent to bring to a generic game are Ratlings. Guard wins again.

>> No.55785402
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>>55785353
>They have the moral high ground on Imperials, which really triggers some Imperiumfags.

>> No.55785405

>>55785101
This completely glosses over several key aspects of Tau fluff, like their growing cynicism and their ability to remain as "pure" as they are owing mainly to the fact they're comparatively a tiny backwater rather than an unfathomably huge decentralized empire.

>> No.55785407

>>55785394
How are scout snipers not good?
too costly?

>> No.55785409

>>55785352
That isn't a half bad idea. Hilariously for me it is I keep fucking up painting eyes. It is why I prefer slapping helmets on everyone I can, but some models I just feel work best without one and I need to learn how to paint eyes some day. Guess I should use that pile of severed Cadian heads to learn how to paint eyes.

>> No.55785426
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I am trying to make a red scorpion list using raven guard CT that takes advantage of their CT and their stratagem the most. The point limit around here is 1800 for some reason, so I have come up with pic related and need some help. The idea is to try to always get first turn, I will have a total of 5 things to deploy, since I am using the transports, keeping the jump pack captain in reserve, and SftS on the hellblasters and aggressors.

All the other primaris go in the repulsor, and the tac squad + loth go in the razorback.

Techmarine sits back with the hunter/cannon to repair as needed and fend off would be deep strikers. The Hunter is my long range AT for the things too big for the overloaded hellblasters to kill. The thunderfire cannon is there for some light long range fire, but has the gunner which I like.

Loth is there mainly for his 3 denies.

I'll stop rambling and post, hopefully someone who plays SM can recommend something.

>> No.55785428

>>55785409
You can honestly get away with just using a wash on the face. No one actually looks at eyes.

>> No.55785432

>>55785204

Where does it state that?

>> No.55785437

>>55785409
I have no idea how to paint faces. I just slather a lot of shade on and hope for the best,

>> No.55785443

>>55785146
A bit more, around 2.8, but on average doesn't even kill one commissar, yeah.

>> No.55785453

>>55783428
You can thank Chapterhouse Studios and the lawsuit GW had had to bring againt them for that. GW's policy now is 'no model = no rules', in order to avoid a repeat of that same situation.

That lawsuit was the death of converting, and it died to thunderous applause (for Chapterhouse for 'winning'.)

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>>55785286
Slaanesh is the best god.
Eldar did give birth to him so I guess they have that going for them.
I love playing against Eldar with my Slaaneshi armies, it just feels like such a fluffy face off, if I lose I've failed Slaanesh, if I win I gathered more souls for Slaanesh.

>> No.55785478

>>55785432
It's a different unit called the "Gryphonne Pattern Chimera"

>> No.55785483

>>55785239
a 4+ invuln save is nothing to sneeze at. and using 6 of them makes it very difficult to kill them all. Then if they DO kill them all, they have just used a large amount of shooting to take out something that isnt super important. Why bring Skitarii ranger squads when they are so squishy they die to even middling shooting from hardly anything? Why bring Knights when deepstrike power sword equivelant infantry cause them such big issues? You cant deny an entire line based on mathhammer.

>> No.55785488

>>55785407
If you take them without a vehicle its 75 points and they wont even kill a Commissar in one turn it would take atleast 2 turns

>> No.55785505

>>55785407
75 for dudes + guns, another 15 for camo cloaks for a group of 5. Their okay, but ratlings get to move after they shoot, get a +2 from cover instead of +1, and an 18" scout deployment away from any enemy model. So Ratlings are pretty good, but, S2 T2, 5" movement, 6+ saves and 5 Leadership for (5*5=25+2*5=35) 35 points is damn cheap for the same chance to hit on a 3+ with the same gun at less than half the cost.

>> No.55785524

>>55785407
They're not fucking awful like, say, rangers, but they're twice the price of ratlings and in the event that somebody wants them to die they'll die pretty handily anyway.

>> No.55785530

>>55785370
No, it's not. Because that leader above the high lords is saying 'no, stop that' whenever it comes up.

When he's not ordering people to suck primarus-sue marine cock, that is.

>> No.55785531

>>55785506
...and I also post from australia.

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>>55785467
yep I love putting that narrative into the game

>> No.55785542

>>55785483
They have a 5+ with the shadowloom and cost almost 50 points each.

>> No.55785550

Hey Guard naming anon how is it comign along?

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>>55785437
I do the same, but I touch up the cheeks and nose to make the sunken details more pronounced.

>>55785530
the corruption wasn't on the highlords though, it was the various planetary governors.

Guilliman still can't control the entire imperium.

>> No.55785560

>>55785279
Zarakynel is still a melee monster, it does better against blobs of weaker infantry than other monsters though since it's sword deals mortal wounds that spill over on a 4+ but it's d6 damage claws are pretty good anti-armor. Also 3++ against other melee.

>> No.55785562

>>55785101
Yeah, well kinda.

I feel like the big issue with Tau is as a newer race people weren't sure what to latch onto, and somehow got confused and chose the propaganda cheekily put in lore as the actual truth. Like if someone said 'yeah life in the imperium is so great man, you can live for hundreds of years, be a fuckin space marine, serve a loving emperor and fight off the darkness. It's so cool' then you'd say they're retarded and that's only in-lore imperial propaganda that's usually pretty funny.

The problem is the first while they were around only weebs and hipsters played the army, and as the lore is always written from an imperial perspective you never see the full reality of the soviet 1984-ass shit mindwiping and quietly murdering/sterilizing people. Tbh that side of the grimdark coin is awesome, but autism and memes meant people missed it, and GW being GW, just went with what fans wanted.

It's like those hippies that thought Russian propaganda was legit and the soviets had sunshine and peace 24/7, and then lol it sucked.

>> No.55785564

Sniper drones+marksman
114 points
Against Commisar

1.11 wounds
2.22 wounds in RF range

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>>55785428
My tactic is paint white, paint eyes, paint skin, wash face, drybrush to highlight it, pencil in eyebrows. But, I think I might have to just learn how to do eyes after the wash.

>> No.55785592

>>55785478

Oh. You mean the chimera pattern with the double heavy bolter turret and no option for an autocannon? Did they errata that or something? I bought the damn turrets from forgeworld way back when they were still an option. But now it seems they are DKoK only.

>> No.55785599

>>55785402

Isn't that true though? That was the whole point of that screen cap anyway, that the Tau are objectionable precisely because they have the moral high ground.

>> No.55785602

>>55785559
If it wasn't with the high lords, then why did he replace several of the high lords when he seized power?

>> No.55785615

>>55785394
>>55785524
>>55785505
>>55785488
>>55785407
No, you all clearly don't play marines, and if you do you suck. You take Scouts because they cuck any alphastrike army so hard it's basically a turn one forfeit. Ask and grey Knights, terminator-heavy chaos, assault marines, etc. army whats the worst thing to fight, and it's always the same- the 75 point screen with T4, 2+ in cover, and often a -1 to hit.

That's why they're good, and amazing at that. Just don't buy for killing, that's not the purpose.

>> No.55785622

>>55785592
It comes as base with an Autocannon and can swap to a Double-HB.

>>55785599
They have the "moral high ground" according to their propaganda, which a bunch of idiots take as fact.

>>55785602
It was the High Lords and the Planetary Governors also the tax collectors and traffic cops

>> No.55785627

>>55785488
>>55785564
Commissars are way too cheap and way too durable for the massive bonus they provide.

>> No.55785643

>>55785566
Get a small brush. One that's about as wide as the eye socket. Paint in a black area where the eye is. Neaten up with fleshtone if needs be, so you have a small oval of black.
Then go over it with white leaving a thin black outline. After that you just have to dot in the pupils and tidy up the edges with fleshtone.
Takes some practice but once you get used to doing it, it's not too bad.

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>>55785535
Narrative is just fun.
Which is odd because I don't like narrative play mode, I just like points too much and dislike the power level for anything but my Daemonic Rituals.
I think I'll challenge one of my local Eldar players again soon, I haven't ruptured their eardrums with my Rapture Battalion of Noise Marines in a bit, I might summon some Heralds to help take their souls.

>> No.55785654

>>55785615
Ok but we're SPECIFICALLY talking about killing commissars. That's the conversation that's happening.

>> No.55785657

>>55785550
I'm painting up Yu and Butt stallion, lasguns, Mayo Quirk the Sergeant, and Rolf the plasma gunner.

>> No.55785677

>>55785627
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having just Commissars and Conscripts is "OP". It's not. They're the IG's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some termies or a land raider. If they bring multiple Brigade Detachments, then yes that is pretty cheesy.
Also Infantry Squads are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If the common man had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.
A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Guard player would know that a detachment of Commissars and Conscripts unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti vehicle firepower than the other units.
I'm so tired of hearing non Guard players complain about "muh Commissars or muh Conscript Hordes" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the titans. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Guard players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>> No.55785679

>>55785657
The real mvp

>> No.55785680

>>55785467
>>55785535
>those two slaaneshi players litteraly circle-jerking through the thread

That's some dedication, aright.

>> No.55785689

>>55785622
>It was the High Lords...
What was 'a rhetorical question' for 100, anon.

>> No.55785692

>>55785643
Thanks, that sounds a lot easier than what I was doing which was just a vertical stripe of color for the pupil color. Might mix the two tactics to keep an eye color in there, but, I got spare heads to test painting tactics on.

>> No.55785700

>>55785654
I managed to kill my friend's commissar turn 1 by deepstriking a squad of Jump-pack Assault marines with flame throwers behind the mob, charging the Commissar and then moving out of combat to light up the mob with the flame throwers.

>> No.55785711

>>55785657
the realest dude in this thread

>> No.55785715

What faction is the most Naruto?

>> No.55785716

>>55785654
Yeh I know, I'm saying that that's not why you take Scouts. Their kill output is weak at best, it's just to hold back the deep strike 1-2 turns.

Also the answer to that is Skitarii, 90 points on rangers for a basically guaranteed kill. Commissars and a lot of Guard stuff is weak af without the refractor field

>> No.55785722

>>55785715
Harlequins

>> No.55785731

>>55785622

Your just messing with me, right? Cause I can not find a single source that states that.

>> No.55785736

>>55785692
If you do it as I described, and use black for the pupils, you know you're done as it'll overlap each side into the outline. Avoids any 'badly painted guard face' syndrome staring

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>>55785677
I remember this pasta. Good days, the shitposting and bants were fun late 7th

>> No.55785761

>>55785647
you should I like frighting my friends little guard with my degenerate space marines

>> No.55785763

>>55785677
I liked it better when it was Outflanking 9 Leman Russ

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>>55785368
>I'm firing my rifle squad at that unit of marines over there
>What? I'm confused. Context clues are too advanced a concept for me
>My <Astra Militarum><Cadian><Infantry Squad> is going to fire at your <Heretic Astartes><Word Bearers><Havoks>

I'd also get you some crayons to help illustrate this for you but you would probably just eat them,

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>>55785715

>> No.55785786

Alright guys what do you feel is better for a deepstriking melee hammer to your shooting anvil?

5 man assault termies squad, Thu see hammer and storm shield. Supported by s terminator librarian (knows blood boil and unleash rage)

Or a 10 man reivers squad with combat knives supported by a chaplain and sanguinary priest

>> No.55785789

>>55785731
Source that states what?

>> No.55785791

>>55785599

They are objectionable because, if you read the screencap, the whole point of 40k is that there is no room to be moral. It's a dark galaxy full of monsters, and all the survivors have had to sacrifice a piece of their humanity and become a shade monstrous just to endure.

Tau invalidate that entire theme by implying no such sacrifice is necessary.

>> No.55785795

>>55784538
It's almost like a warband full of toddlers-turned-Terminators that came from a planet of murders and psychopaths and live in and out of Space Hell have a slightly skewed sense of honor and right and wrong.

>> No.55785796

>>55785736
meant iris not pupil, but, yeah, I'll be experimenting with this on the 50-60 cadian heads I have laying around. But the iris at this scale is such a small thing and the pupil is a far more important thing anyways.

>> No.55785802

>>55785716
So a Space Marine army's answer to Commissars is Skitarii.

Have you always been this brain damaged or is this a recent development?

>> No.55785804

On the subject of screening things, sillier than hidden dreadnaughts is the C'tan being screened by Warriors and Scarabs

>> No.55785821

>>55785700
A basic 5 man squad with two flamers is 98 points.

A stock Commissar is 31 points.

You spent 3x as many points to kill it, than the guard player did bringing it.

This is not a good strategy.

>> No.55785824

>>55785796
Yeah, good luck. Generally the less white eyeball showing the better it looks, if that's any help.

>> No.55785827

>>55785804
Command Barge as well.

>> No.55785836

>>55785786
Why not add a Terminator Chaplain to the Hammernators? They should murder everything with those re-rolls.

>> No.55785851

What's the best way to use tallarm? Infiltrating 9 leman russes?

>> No.55785853

>>55785791

Because they remain moral with no sacrifice. Therefore making the Imperium look bad since they compromise where the Tau do not, which goes back to the point that the earlier poster was correct, that many object to the Tau because they are morally superior to the Imperium.

>> No.55785859

>>55785647
>>55785535
Anyone have any good art of lucius, pre warp fuckery?

>> No.55785866

>>55785821
I didn't bring the squad to kill the commissar fuckbasket I brought it to fuck up light armored infantry harder than a hydraulic dildo, it just happened to kill the commissar deader than disco in one turn.

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Tell me, 40kg, what does the ideal 40kg poster look like? What does he talk about, and how does he do it?

>> No.55785874

>>55785824
Thanks, and again, thanks for the advice, going to experiment before I apply it to any models going to the tabletop. Got some ideas of how to work the iris in, but, first step is get your technique down for pupils, then modify.

>> No.55785882

So what's the most overpowered army right now? I'm assuming from reading the thread it's IG. I just want to crush my friends who want me to play this game, and I always just play the best shit I can find in every game because that's what's fun to me. So IG is straight up the best, right?

>> No.55785886

>>55785853
>Use mind control to enforce a beautiful communist regime.
>Moral

Fuck you, you looter statist cuck.

>> No.55785892

>>55785827
I find screening the damn grim reaper monster funnier

>> No.55785902

>>55785870
(You), no exceptions.

>> No.55785904

>>55785870
What?

>> No.55785905

>>55785615
I am new to marines, can you explain how to use scouts better a bit more in detail?

By screening alpha strike to you mean they make it hard for deep strikers to get to your force?

>> No.55785915

>>55785870

He talks about how cute the Eldar are and ranks the best waifus they've had over the years with perfectly thought out arguments.

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>>55785859
this is the best one I have

>> No.55785932

>>55785920
Oh wow, you have no idea how perfect that one is.

I (I know this is heresy) have a sigismund model that I want to convert to lucius for 40k, however I was really not looking forward to doing GS hair.

Saved my friend

>> No.55785936

>>55785886

Even that makes the Tau sound better than the Imperium, which enforces it's absolutely ugly and horrible regime with straight up murder, fanatical religious extremism, persecution,torture, brutality and global extermination.

>> No.55785937

>>55785870
The one that doesn't post

>> No.55785941

>>55785870
He's a non-obnoxious Guardfag who has a mostly if not fully painted army and is generally friendly and agreeable while providing discussion, OC, and batreps to the generals.

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>>55785920
>>55785932

>> No.55785945

>>55785870
he doesnt talk about "Muh females figures, muh boobplate" or "X faction and its player are" he also doesnt complain about battle reports

>> No.55785952

Why do people feel they don't need to put Onagers on their bases?

>> No.55785953

>>55785942
Is that the pepsi tzeench moon man in the bottom left?

>> No.55785960

>>55785836
I don't currently own a termis chaplain model unfortunately this was between 2 squads I own currently

I planned on dropping the termies off in a stormraven so I wouldn't be able to fit both the chaplain and the librarian

Do you think re rolls are better than +1 attack m

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>>55785932
yeah I think Lucius was always balled he only started with the face cutting near the end

>> No.55785965

>>55785952
Because Onagers can stand freely on their own, bases are mostly for things that fall over without something to stand on. Outside of that, for presentation.

>> No.55785970

>>55785802
No m8, I'm just not going back and reading the whole fuckin conversation. And what the fuck answer do you want then? 'What unit do I use to snipe Commissars guys? The only snipers in our book, or the only snipers in our book?' Aside from being UM and taking telion (who's pretty decent btw), that's it.

So fuckin duh, snipe em or charge some dudes into the crowd.

>> No.55785973

>>55785964
I think he started in the fulgrim novel

>> No.55785976

>>55785936
>Being made a slave with mind control is preferable to having your personality intact.

Yeah, fuck you cuck.

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>>55785915
lelith hesperex is best girl

>> No.55785985

>>55785936
>describes the Tau empire
We can all agree the Imperium is shit, in general thanks to Hive worlds and GW insisting retardation regarding civilized worlds.

Just because there are a lot of people in India with shitty living condition means the entire planet population lives in shitty conditions.

>> No.55785994

>>55785866
Look you stupid bastard, we're talking about strategies to kill commissars. That is the entire point of this conversation.

>> No.55785997

>>55785936

You might be trying to bait, but you are actually pretty much correct.

40k's defining message, at least in days passed, was that there are no good guys in this universe. The good guys are dead, because being good killed them. Only brutal, callous, grim resolve and a willingness to do ANYTHING to endure have kept humans, eldar, and the other non-monster races alive this long. Tau undermine that powerful theme.

>> No.55786008

>>55785542

My mistake with typo. Yes still though,50 points is still only 5 more points than Space Marine Attack Bikes and they have fly so they give no fucks about terrain or other models. Necron stuff has always been expensive. But the durability is king.

>> No.55786019

>>55785060
What is that, Heavy Metal?

>> No.55786021

>>55785960
Well, they can deepstrike anyway, so you could still deliver both reasonably, I'd say.
And I would rather go for the re-rolls desu. Seems safer, as you don't have to deal with the psychic phase and can't really fail the effect.

>> No.55786027

>>55785994
I gave you a basic strategy that works great against infantry that killed a Commissar in one turn. Maybe if you tried coming up with good general strategies instead of basing your entire strategy on specifically killing one low cost model you wouldn't have so much fucking trouble with this

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>>55786019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26rUX16cZM&t=229s

>> No.55786044

In a round-about way, isn't lucuius sometimes helping the imperium, since he has "posessed" quite a few chaos marines and xenos who are far more competent than him.

>> No.55786047

>>55784230
Regular infantry squads are more cost-effective now, assuming you always have an officer to give them orders

>> No.55786048

>>55785981
>dating a druggie

lol no, and is that a scar? what a fucking loser.

>> No.55786049

>>55785952
25mm bases are the best bases.

Now with that out of the way, the reason is because Onagers do not need a base to stand up.
Since they are standing on a very small surface of the base you can see a lot of it. Unless you go an extra mile to decorate and make a decent base it will always look like shit.

But what about other models with big bases!
Anon stop being stupid most of other models with big bases cover enough of the base, need the base to stand up and/or the surface of the model uses the entirety of the base.

TL:DR Crab tank bases are a pain in the ass and add nothing to the game or hobby. Anyone that bitches about it is a tournament waacfag that should be thrown from a helicopter.

>> No.55786050

>>55785976

Because you totally have your personality and free will intact as you're forced to enlist with the IG after growing up in the literal hell of a hive world with a Commissar waiting to blow your brains out should you show the slightest reticence to give up your life for a decadent, dying empire while the Lords Of Terra attempt to give Slaanesh a younger sibling. Yeah man the Tau sure are worse than that fate. Face it, as fucked up as mind control may be, if that's the worse the Tau have to offer, they're still better than rest of the 40K universe by a good long mile.

>> No.55786051

>>55786008
They aren't nearly as durable anymore is the problem.

>> No.55786062

>>55786047
Are Vets still shit then?

>> No.55786070

>>55785936
>persecution
To be fair, persecution and systematic extermination of psykers is justified

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If i plan on going Primaris only, what chapter has the best tactics for that?

>> No.55786082

>>55785952
Vehicles are measured to and from the hull. In 7th you explicitly did not need to put a base onto vehicles. people forgot where they put those bases and desu, it's not really that important.

>> No.55786085

>>55786062
Stick them in Chimeras and they are great.

>> No.55786100

>>55786078
probably Salamanders because of all the CP you're missing out on.

Did GW name it that in order to throw off the British FBI from their search results?

>> No.55786102

>>55786085
So all or nothing. Yuck. I take it that Infantry with a heavy weapon are plain better for defensive means?

>> No.55786107

>>55786062
They are basically squad that do not need order support by the looks of it.
They seem to work like 7th MSU mech guard. Saddly 8th does not support this style of play with guard.

>> No.55786121

>>55786078
Considering most of their units are mediocre I'd say none.

>> No.55786154

>>55784591
Daily reminder that every model in an Elysian unit can throw frag and krak grenades and fire their lasguns in single turn

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55786168

>>55785905
Here's a quick lil thing I made a while back to explain. Basically they have to be 9" away, so the scouts act as a giant 19-inch diameter nuisance that can quite easily shift their deepstrikers back 20+ inches from the main line, which with slower armies means they ain't seein shit till turn 3 at best. It's really effective and a reason I love being an army that in lore uses Scouts a lot. Very clever tool if you're making a shooty list, goes great with UM, RG, and SA tactics. Basically the best tool a gunlines army could ever have

>> No.55786174

>>55786154
Don't forget about pistols too!

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>>55786154

>> No.55786190

>>55786051
Then the answer is take wraiths, as they live longer and make up for their cost. A simple 'dont engage mortal wounding things' with them is all it takes.

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55786194

so whats' the overall take on the new IG dex?

the only real significant change i see are russes double tapping. I also see the Exterminator and Vanquisher are still shit from the last codex

>> No.55786202

Alright you filthy bastards I had to search around the web since you're not responding to a simple request to fully detail the most overpowered shit in this game, and finally found a list. So what is better, IG, Ultramarines, or Chaos Daemons? Based on the wording of this list I'm figuring it's IG but it says I can pick up IG units with Chaos Daemons via the Renegades faction. In general would people be fine with that since it's in the rules or would they object?

>> No.55786212

>>55786194
Between relics, regiments, warlord traits, and stratagems, there are a shitload of new special rules to play with.

>> No.55786221

>>55786190
Wraiths aren't awful but If I need to fill slots I take scarabs as they work well as a screen. I find myself needing as much firepower as I can get early as attrition doesn't work as well as it used too.

>> No.55786225

>>55786202
Hostility is not a good way to get a positive response.

>> No.55786236

>>55786168
Oh I should rephrase that, with clever placement it can be a lot better- I mean to say 20+ inches from the original 9" away point, with that you can quite effectively force your opponent to be some 30" away from your actual deployment zone; and that's in DoW, the longest field! In hammer and anvil or whatever the other ones are, it's quite pheasible to cockblock them almost to the deployment zone. Though granted at a certain point it's a bit much, like I enjoy taking 2-3 squads of 7-8 but they're not cheap and it can be annoying.

It's a great tool but like any powerful tactic, use it sparingly. I'm not gonna curbstomp the12 year old that just started with DG just cause I can

>> No.55786242

>>55786194
They made conscripts work on a 4+ and according to /tg/ they FUCKING BROKE THE GAME GOD DAMN

>> No.55786250

What is the Average amount of conscript squads that a person would bring?

>> No.55786275

>>55786250
In Tournament play they took like two squads. That's now 60 dudes who run away half the time.

>> No.55786280

>>55786062
I'm not sure myself, but I'm still gunna try them out. Might have to buy some Elysians to countsas Scions instead, but I'm really hoping I can make veterans work by hiding them in groups of infantry, or as second line counterattack units.

>> No.55786289

What's their action movie called again?

>> No.55786291

>>55786202
>Chaos Daemons
What the fuck?
Daemons are gimped as shit this edition you got lied to.
Renegades are shit too, unfortunately.
In short, you're an idiot for believing this load of shit and not just looking at the rules and figuring it out for yourself when the MEGA's in OP contain all the rules most of the time, with brief periods in between a codex releasing and it getting scanned where we don't.
Also some stores do ban FW which R&H are so there's that.

>> No.55786293

>>55786194
It's not that great. Imperial Guard are probably in the bottom tier of powerful armies. Eldar with Wraithknight spam and Tau with Riptide spam are still up top.

>> No.55786296

>>55786221
Ive never suffered that problem. Attrition works in my favor every game ive played in the past 3 months. Scarabs are great but my heavy use of Lychguard and a CqC core Necron army means that I benefit more from the Wraiths mobility and toughness than anything scarabs can provide.

>> No.55786308

>>55786194
Grand Stratagist + Kurov's Aquila is pretty nuts, especially in a IG vs. IG game, where you can expect to get back your original CP twice over

>> No.55786312

>>55786194
Yeah not sure what they were thinking there. If vanquish were were 2-shot or S10 Ap-4, or exterminators had S8 or D3, they'd be worth it, and maybe even worthy of a point bump. But no, as usual Geedubs sticks to buffing an OP army but neglects the parts I like. Sad!

>> No.55786320

>>55786275
>run away half the time.
>He doesn't bring a Commissar.

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>>55786289
I failed

>> No.55786329

>>55786225

How is it hostile to ask for what is good, overpowered shit in this game and give me a basic rundown on it? I want to crush my friends when I play them and so I want to know what's best. Although now I can more or less grasp that it's pretty much the IG or the Chaos Daemons with the IG, the Ultramarines sound top tier but not god tier like them. And so all I want to know now is, since I know a lot of groups in other tabletop games have etiquette that is generally followed, is if using the Renegades faction would be frowned on or not, since that should determine whether I go with Chaos Daemons or IG.

>> No.55786332

>>55786296
I need them so I don't get shit on by an alpha strike.

>> No.55786339

>>55786308
What stratagems are good for guard? I don't know the army and desu aside from infiltrate tallarn and respawning Valhallan none really stood out to me as Worth setting aside 15+ CP for

>> No.55786348

>>55786168
>>55786236
I have a lot of primaris models, am pretty new.

I'm playing Red Scorpions, and I switch a lot between RG and UM tactics.

I will have to give non sniper scouts a second look at.

I really want to use intercessors but they seem overcosted

>> No.55786357

>>55786329
Ask them for a 4000 point game
then bring a Warlord Titan

>> No.55786377

>>55786027
So after going through all this about killing commissars i decided to do the mathhammer on how many Conscripts on average my Blood Angels Tactical squads with heavy and regular flamer would kill with rapid firing bolters and Bolt pistol. turns out that i would kill 23 models at least according to the Mathhammer 40k 8th ed website.

>> No.55786381

>>55786329
>Alright you filthy bastards I had to search around the web since you're not responding to a simple request
>How is it hostile
Excuse me?

>> No.55786385

>>55786291

Well, thank for you a constructive response. I just didn't want to have to slog through all the rules and armies but I suppose there's no avoiding it since there apparently aren't any accurate or convenient tier lists out. Thanks.

>> No.55786404

>>55786381

I already asked earlier in the thread and got no responses, but don't worry, you are indeed excused.

>> No.55786405

>>55786357
Warlord titans suck, you need to do 10 or 20 wounds before it can barely hit anything anymore
I played against one in a combined 10000 point game and we killed it in 2 turns focusing most anti tank at it

>> No.55786407

>>55786377
You left 7six conscripts in the squad how fucking broken

>> No.55786408
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55786408

Help me decide.

http://www.strawpoll.me/14115391

>> No.55786432

>>55786404
So ask again and don't word it like an asshole and people won't call you out for being an asshole.
It's not the question it's the wording.

>> No.55786442

>>55786405
10 000 pts of anti-tank =/= 4 000 pts of anti tank.

>> No.55786446

>>55786308
They gave the army with the most CP multiple ways ti generate more CP during the game.

The absolute madmen.

>> No.55786449

>>55786407
Now the hard part gets to be getting a full 10 man squad that far.

>> No.55786454

>>55786194
As a 7th Edition IG player I find it rather strange being THIS strong compared to space marines. When that new repulser tank gets insta-murdered by two battle tanks its just surreal! Same with HB's and other low-medium weapons only wounding my guardsmen 4/9th of the time instead of 5/6ths of the time. I hear conscripts are in this edition but personally, I don't want to use them and can't provide an opinion. Conscripts just don't fit in my 'professional' guardsman army theme.

Internal Balancing wise, I'm a bit unsure about what they did to Veterans, Unhappy about not getting some cool characters for the new regiments, and rip-roaring pissed that they still haven't made a Vanquisher that's better against tanks than the Battle Cannon.

I need more battles, and will be going back every weekend until I figure out for sure weather my Veterans are actually garbage or just not optimal.

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>>55786100
>>55786121
Well thats good to hear. Not a sally fan though. Out of RG, IF or UM, what army would be best for Primaris only?

>> No.55786456

>>55786408
Where's the "grow a fucking pair and learn to make my own decisions" decision?

>> No.55786462

>>55786212
yeah they've always had lots of options to play with but are they any good?

>>55786242
>conscripts 50/50 chance to follow orders
>max size is 30

not game breaking but makes them worthless imo

>>55786293
>eldare and tau
fucking still? man am i glad i don't play competitive

>>55786308
this seems like fun

>>55786312
i'd be sweet if the "Tank Hunter" were actually an effective tank hunter. i love the look of vanquishers and always take one due to this but fuck man i don't particularly like wasting points either. here's my ideal Vanq

>STR9, Reroll Wound vs Vehicle/monster, AP-4, 2D6 DMG

i mean, sure the range is cool but when it's the main turret of a fucking tank and gets 1 shot it should have more oopmf than a fucking lascannon.

even more than that i wish they'd just fix the Exterminator... went from 4TL shots to 4 shots. JUST FOUR AUTOCANNON SHOTS. on a goddamn tank? 150 some points? talk about over priced horse shit!

>> No.55786464

>>55786408
The question is not if you should but how?
GW
Recast
Kitbashing
Third party
Conversion
Mix of everything

Personally I went with mix of Everything.

>> No.55786471

>>55786339
the cadian +1 to hit is good
The "for cadia" is really good against chaos
Fix 1 hp on a tank can be good if the 1hp takes you up a tier on the damage table

>> No.55786485

>>55786329
>>55786385
You're a hostile WAACfag and no one wants to help your dumb ass.
Actually you're worse than a WAACfag because you can't even figure out what to use yourself.
Seriously just go IG and piss off, R&H are underpowered unless you spam Malefic Lords for smite spam and Daemons are underpowered unless you spam Brimstone Horrors, both of those options have downsides and R&H are FW which some stores have unfortunately banned.
My store has a weird ruling on Forge World;
Banned for tournaments.
Ask opponent permission for friendly games.
Not because anyone in store abuses FW shit but because the Store Owner/Judge doesn't understand all of FW and doesn't want to make a specific ban list but he does know that all the huge LOW are FW.
If you absolutely must be a cunt buy 12 malefic lords, a Valkyrie and a shitload of Brimstone Horrors I guess, enjoy losing all your troops to battleshock and your Malefic Lords being useless outside of the psychic phase.

>> No.55786486

>>55786449
Drop pod or rhino

>> No.55786498

>>55785836
>Why not add a Terminator Chaplain to the Hammernators? They should murder everything with those re-rolls.
not a bad idea, but remeber rerolls BEFORE modifiers, so you reroll 1 and 2 but NOT 3.
GW-Rules, dont ask

>> No.55786515

>>55786454
>conscripts

i play DKoK and enjoy using stripped-down catachan models as conscripts. more meat for the grinder. been using them since i started playing the game but the reduction in number really sucks imo more so than the orders change. orders are w/e to me, but the smaller squad size feels crappy.

remind me, can regular infantry squads still lump together or no?

>> No.55786518

>>55786486
The rhino is worth more than the conscripts you're trying to kill.

Try again.

>> No.55786529

>>55786454

The problem with vets is how fragile they are. They have a great weapons loadout and a solid accuracy, but with the changes to how range and LOS works in 8th, it's very easy for them to get shot up and eliminated the turn they jump out of their vehicle. You will get one nice salvo off, then die, taking 60 points of doods and something like 60 points of weaponry with them. A fully-outfitted squad is 120+ points, while a fully kitted infantry squad is only 70 or so, yet they are equally easy to destroy.

t. chimera vet player here.

>> No.55786537

>>55786518
>everything is more expensive than conscripts

>> No.55786540

>>55786515
>remind me, can regular infantry squads still lump together or no?
no

>> No.55786548

>>55786339
Rerolling hit rolls for Wyverns and Basilisks and hitting on 5+ overwatch for tanks are good.
+1 to saves in a shooting phase (including invulns, and on any unit!) is just fantastic.

>> No.55786556

>>55786518
>I'm going to bring a full tac squad and a rhino to kill one squad of conscripts and then just remove them from the table
you do realize that there are probably going to be other things on the board?

>> No.55786588

>>55786518

>start 12" up, enemy is 12" up. 24" between you.
>move 6", advance 3.5 inches
>turn 1 you are 15.5" away.
>turn 2 move 6"
>you are now in rapid fire range

>> No.55786593

>>55786050
The imperium does enslave it's citizens, there's no denying that. But it can't enslave thought.

Both empires are built on slavery, but the tau slavery is total enslavement if the mind, which is not preferable. In fact that is the absolute worst state of being.

So fuck you statist cuck.

>> No.55786625

>>55786486
>see word drop pod
>remember Salamanders/Blood Angels/World Eaters/Khorne Daemon player friend complaining about his drop pods being useless
>am Chaos so don't have drop pods
>decide to check Imperial Armor Index Forces of Chaos
>Hellforged Dreadclaw Drop Pod
>it's amazing
>it can move
>has thermal jets as a pistol weapon profile
>rolls a number of dice equal to models it kills in fight phase discluding overwatch and regains wounds on a 5+
>is dangerous in melee
>comes down and brings 10 LEGION units with it
>or a single Helbrute
Jesus fucking Christ I want one.
I have too much backlog and other things I'm buying already but when I do a Forge World order I'm getting this thing holy shit I don't even care that I can't use it in FW banned tournaments I want to use it.

>> No.55786634

>>55786408
Only start them if you like them.

>> No.55786639

>>55786339
>>55786339
If you got tanks, the Jury Rig Strategem will supplement a techpriest nicely and as a Guard player you can spare 6 points to use it every turn.

If you have an important unit (tanks or Baneblades), the Take Cover ability boosts your save to a 2+. And as a guard player, you can use it 6 times (again) no problem.

"Fire on my position" is expensive, but Scions can abuse it if they survived the first turn on the board by charging into the center of an enemy army and dieing. Suddenly, if you got 3 or 4 units clustered around him you can grab a number of glorious mortal wounds. Situational, but its not like you have to choose your strategems before battle so just keep it in mind.

Defensive Gunners is one CP and lets your Battle Cannons hit on a 5+ in overwatch. Don't even question the usefulness of this strategem, just do it! With all the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion players out there you've probably been hitting on 5+s up till now anyways.

Crush them: Use on Baneblades. Eat infantry in close combat. Your weapons can fire while IN CC so you have no reason not too. Skip for smaller tanks unless you're desperate for an objective.

Send in the Next Wave: MWAHAHAHAHA!

>> No.55786641

>>55786625
Deep striking marines is one of my favorite things to do in the game, especially as a BT player.

>> No.55786676

>>55786625
>Jesus fucking Christ I want one.
>I have too much backlog and other things I'm buying already
God I know that feeling. My sympathies. The hardest part is wondering if, by the time you get it, it will still be as good.

>> No.55786683

>>55786634
I do, it's the cost per unit that makes me hesitate.

>> No.55786702

>>55786486
Hm a rhino can only move 12 inches tho and i have to wait a turn to disembark which is a turn that 60 conscripts can shoot the shit out and destroy my transport.

>> No.55786712

>>55786625
You don't want to play in fw banned tournaments anyways. They're run by Jews or Jew agents.

>> No.55786723

>>55786498
That's actually a super valid point

Goddamnit gw

>> No.55786731

>>55786712
>Uses FW
>Antisemite
Checks out.

>> No.55786737

>>55786712
>ywn be a jew agent
fuck

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>>55786712

>> No.55786756

>>55786518
If you want a SM strategy that costs less than a single unit of conscripts then you should stop looking for SM strategies because all of them are literally having expensive infantry with more durability and firepower than all the other infantry. Of course all of their stuff costs more than conscripts, that's the whole fucking point, the marines are going to last a hell of a lot longer than multiple conscript units.

>> No.55786769

>>55786702
>conscripts
>destroy tank
A unit of conscripts fired at a squad of my marines and did literally nothing. I think you're overestimating the power of Conscripts
Also the drop pod is still an option.

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>>55786641
I just realised I mistyped in my excitement, 10 LEGION Infantry not 10 units.
But still, if I'm already taking Forge World you bet your ass I'm putting Sonic Helbrute in the fucking dreadclaw.
Look at this thing, it fucking flies at 15" Movement, it attacks with bladed struts, and it explodes when it dies. It's Wounds tracking is terrible, gets weaker when it drops to 7 wounds which is faster than most things degrade but considering it regenerates by eating souls in the fight phase and explodes dealing d3 mortal wounds to basic bitches and d6 mortal wounds to psykers I don't even mind it's wounds track being that awful.
It's so worth 200 points.
>>55786676
I'm buying two boxes tomorrow and I still haven't bought this other box I've been meaning to get. But the two boxes I'm getting are for my current army while the other one is for a tertiary army I'm starting.
>>55786712
It's funny you should say that because we do jokingly call the Store Owner a filthy Jew.
It's just banter though he's not really Jewish.

>> No.55786783

>>55786769
B-But /tg/ told me that a conscript blob can destroy a titan

>> No.55786797

>>55786756
>More Durability
Isn't that a necron thing?
>More Firepower
Isn't that a Tau Thing?

>> No.55786811

>>55786783
I mean, theoretically yeah, but it's harder to pull that shit on the actual tabletop.

>> No.55786830

>>55786797
>3+ armor
>not durable
>Boltguns and heavy weapons in troop squads
>not firepower
Just because another faction does it doesn't mean that other factions don't do it too.

>> No.55786854

>>55786593

I cannot comprehend how you think "statist fuck" is not ironic in the extreme when you're defending the Imperium, full of the most statist fucks ever to exist. They somehow manage to combine Communist indoctrination with fanatical idolatry and total submission to the desires of the collective. At least the Tau enslavement can be argued to be pleasant or merciful compared to the Imperiums version.

And ultimately, are the Tau even wrong? The Tau want to bring everyone into an ordered peace, forceful submission, yes, but it is still a better state of existence then being grist for the mill that is the Imperium, and of course all the other horrors of the universe. The Greater Good honestly seems to actually be compelling when you examine the alternatives in the 40K universe.

>> No.55786856

>>55786723
well reroll on 1 and 2 is not that bad

>> No.55786857

>>55786811
The key factor is the actual models and terrain taking up space

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>>55783286
Vladimir Putin

>> No.55786867

>>55786830
I'm just saying you said they had "More durability and firepower than ALL the other infantry", but clearly they don't have either of those. They're jacks of all stats.

>> No.55786876

>>55786797
SM are the expensive but powerful jacks-of-all-trades

>> No.55786881

>>55786867
Alright, you got me there. I shouldn't have said ALL when I mean vs mob armies.

>> No.55786899

>>55786540
Wrong

>>55786515
Yes but they do it via a Strategem.

>> No.55786901

>>55786854
Fuck the Tau, and fuck the Imperium
May Chaos consume every petty mortal empire in an inferno of glorious karma

>> No.55786904

Why shouldn't I throw Boltguns on infantry sgts. Seems like a no brainier, right?

>> No.55786909

>>55786854
I call you a statist fuck because you think mind control makes things better rather than worse. Your moral system is reprehensible to any reasoned thinker, and only found in the most entrenched bureaucracies.

Yes the imperium is bad. No, they are better than the tau. A Tau citizen isn't free, can't really, think of dissent. An Imperial citizen can still have the freedom to think.

>> No.55786921

>>55786904

You should, and it is. Unless you have some kind of synergy with plasma pistols, bolters are the way to go on all your officers.

>> No.55786924

>>55786904
For 1 point? Yeah, probably.

>> No.55786931

>>55786779
>It's just banter though he's not really Jewish.
If he was you would be finding an oven, wouldn't you?

>> No.55786932

>>55786876
Not even that.
They are just glorified tools, and bad ones. Every other Imperium armies does what marines do better and cheaper.
Even with just the index

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>>55786854
I've chosen my faction.
Imperium and Tau are the same shit with different stinks, I choose the Warp and Ruinous Powers because either I get to the top, become worthy of Daemonhood, and achieve Apotheosis atop a mound of corpses who couldn't make it or I end up in that mound.
Either way at least I made the decision for myself and didn't just get forced to be something else.
Also I think it's implied Chaos has some Necromancy, Lucius the Eternal, Thousand Sons recruiting methods, Nurgle zombies, and Khorne recently resurrected a bunch of fighters with a rain of blood as a reward for a particularly gory battle. I say recently because it's in the new CSM codex and I've never seen it before.
So obviously I'll be siding with Chaos.

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>>55786901
Fuck everyone, let's just 'ave a big ol' fight

>> No.55786949

>>55786857
Yea getting a straight 12 inch shot to move my rihno in is probably never going to happen.

>> No.55786960

>>55786863
Rolling for this.

>> No.55786971

>>55786921
>>55786924
Explain to me when bolt pistols would become applicable again then? They no longer grant a bonus attack and you can now take a Bolter AND chainsword so I don't see their practical use.

>> No.55786973

>>55786931
What? No of course not.
I'm not allowed to put people in the oven

>> No.55786975

>>55786971
They can shoot in CQC

>> No.55786981

Noob question about authority of inquisition:
Can I put 10 sisters of silence in a null maiden rhino + inquisitor greyfax or is it 9 + the inquisitor?

>> No.55786986

>>55786854
>actual shitty chances of freedom > illusion of freedom with no chance of actual freedom
Tau are like the people that defend communism without actually living and/or enduring actual hardships

It falls flat on its face when anyone asks "why?" that is why Tau are hellbent into preventing anyone questioning the system

>> No.55786988

>>55786971
if melee lasts more than one turn and you want to shoot a gun but don't want to fall back with your melee specialist unit

>> No.55786990

>>55786904
I guess it's just harder to make a list out of 101 point squads than 100 point squads. You'll probably pay more than you think, since you'll most likely have more points left over

>> No.55786992

>>55786971
I mean, you can fire the pistol in combat. If you plan to be in CC though I would spring for plasma.

>> No.55786994

>>55786854
In Tau society your life is set in stone the moment you are born and for most Tau that means doing the same shit every single day of their lives.
If you deviate from what is planned for you, you are fucked

>> No.55786995

>>55786981
Rhino can only hold 10 models.

>> No.55786998

>>55786975
>Shooting with your pistol instead of using the sword you are holding for the specific purpose of hitting things
w e w

>> No.55787000

>>55786975
But you never want them in CQC.... Is one shot really worth losing two Bolter shots?

>> No.55787013

>>55786981
Rhino can transport 10

Do the math

>> No.55787017

>>55786998
>not doing both.

>w e w
>e
>w

>> No.55787027

>>55786909

Except the moment they think anything other than what they're supposed to think they're blammed or worse. The Imperial citizen is if anything less free, because he is given the illusion of freedom that, if he exercises, destroys him. You keep trying to argue this as if the Imperium possesses freedom, when it doesn't, that the Imperial citizen has options and choice in how he lives his life, when he doesn't.

There's really no way for you to win this argument because any charge you level against the Tau the Imperium is equally guilty of, and of course then there's all the other shit that makes the Imperium so fucking terrible. Hive Worlds, the corrupt leaders who engage in total debauchery, the Exterminatus, etc. Personally I'd rather be mind controlled than have my entire planet burned to a crisp. Face it, the Imperium is morally inferior to the Tau on multiple fronts. It's fine if you don't like that, but that is the truth.

>> No.55787028

>>55786909
This argument makes as much sense as arguing whether Nazi Germany or the USSR is worse. Let's just agree that both are Hyper-Hitler levels of evil, ok?

>> No.55787031

>>55786998
Why choose when you can use both?
Do you even 8th?

>> No.55787034

>>55786990
>He thinks an infantry team comes anywhere near 70 fully loaded
Kek

>> No.55787039

>>55787017
You can't do both, you can either use a CQC weapon or a pistol

>> No.55787043

>>55786998
The point is that you can shoot and then attack.
It's why Lucius' whip and the Blissgiver whip have the same rule as a pistol for firing into melee, because if the person holding pistols and melee weapons isn't in melee they should be.

>> No.55787045

>>55786998

>t. person who hasn't read the rules

You shoot with pistols in the shooting phase, you stab with swords in the stabbing phase. Read a book, nigger.

>> No.55787061

>>55787027
The imperium doesn't have widespread bad thought detection anon. Try again.

>> No.55787062

>>55787045
You can also shoot other guns in the shooting phase, the argument is about the god damn stabbing phase, you're the one who needs to read.

>> No.55787066

>>55786944
Daemonhood just means you are stuck as a slave to a chaos deity until the rest of eternity. Service to chaos means your soul gets sucked right into the warp-shitter once you die.
You are even more cucked than both Taufags and Imperiumfags

>> No.55787077

>>55786990
51 points for a flamer and a Bolter lasteam advance+shooting you in the face boyo. Tallarn strike like sandstorm

>> No.55787083

>>55787039
No you fucking stupid double nigger read the rules before talking shit about that which you don't understand.
If you have a pistol you can fire it IN the shooting phase into units locked in melee even if you are locked in melee.
Then in the fight phase you still hit them with your sword and nothing you did in the shooting phase stops you from hitting them with your sword unless you fell back in the movement phase like the stupid cunt you are.

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WIP Butt Stallion, Rolf, Yu and Mayo Quirk (not pictured)

>> No.55787088

>>55787045
Obviously you haven't read the rules. Check what pistol type weapons can do.

>> No.55787097

After seeing the completely shit status of the Vanquisher Cannon currently, I decided to try and work out some better stats for it.

>Vanquisher Cannon
72'' / Heavy 1d3 / S 8 / AP -5 / D 1d3+2 / This weapon always wounds VEHICLES on 2+

>Battle Cannon
72'' / Heavy 1d3+1 / S 9 / AP -2 / D 1d3+1

>Demolisher Cannon
24'' / Heavy 1d3+2 / S10 / AP -1 / D 1d3 / This weapon fires an additional 1d3 shots if the target unit numbers 5+ models.

So basically, for every 2 wounds a Demolisher does on average to a Russ, the Battle Cannon will do 3 and the Vanquisher will do 5. Meanwhile, for every 2 wounds the Vanquisher does to GEQs, the Battle Cannon will do 3 and the Demolisher will do 5.

Is this balanced, anons?

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>>55787085
Back view of these guys

>> No.55787105

>>55787028
From a perspective of the citizens living in Nazi germany and the USSR.
Nazi are better.
From the perspective of the amount of damage they have done on the long term to their citizens and the world?
Nazis are better.

t. Someone that still lives in a country that suffers from the fallout that was the Cold War and the colossal dick waving contest the USfags and the USSRfags had

In other words anyone that thinks communism is even a remotely good idea should be burn along with any record of their existence

>> No.55787116

>>55787027
>Exterminatus
Devils Advocate Here, Exterminatus isn't bad, al things considered.

>> No.55787121

>>55787061

Right, right, so you can THINK of rebelling, but of course the punishments for doing so are so terrible and vicious, and the indoctrination campaign run on you your entire life is so thorough, you never act on those thoughts. Truly, such a free and noble society.

>> No.55787125

>>55787066
Daemon Princes can't really be killed permanently any more, they can be destroyed so they stop existing but since they usually just go back to the warp to reform after dying they can't be killed by standard issue boltguns.
Also choosing to serve something for rewards =/= slavery, and even Daemon Princes still get rewards when they do well because Chaos is a meritocracy. A really fucked up meritocracy where the ones in charge are capricious at the best of times is still technically a meritocracy.

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>>55787101
filename.meme

>> No.55787131

>>55787062
You can't shoot boltguns in close combat

>> No.55787140

>>55787121
Except rebellion is widespread, and therefore possible.

>> No.55787141

>>55787116

It is compared to the Tau alternative. To prevent the influence of Chaos it's better to mind control a planets populace than destroy the planet entirely.

>> No.55787151

>>55787083
Then my friend is a dirty fucking liar.

Also I never fall back from combat, Death and Glory.

also also spewing verbal abuse at someone for not getting a rule right is a great way to alienate yourself from everyone and not make any friends.

>> No.55787162

>>55787105
Unless one of the two is actually kinda ok, this is a completely pointless argument to have

>> No.55787169

>>55787140

And how does the Imperium deal with those rebellions? Oh, right. It's so much better to deal with that than having your mind subtly controlled, right? No, wait, being brutalized by Imperial forces, or even worse, having the planet you're on be declared heretical and completely purged, that's actually not in any appreciable way a better option.

>> No.55787174

>>55787151
I'm pretty sure you were just being an ass who didn't know the rules. He was justified

>> No.55787179

>>55783286
Yuri Bigaev-Foryu

>> No.55787184

As a SM player what are your options for dealing with elites with high invulns?

I had trouble with some space wolf unit, they were on wolves and had a 3+ invuln

>> No.55787187

>>55787151
Your friend is a liar and you should read the fucking rules.
This one is such a basic rule that you deserve abuse for getting it wrong and your friend deserves worse for lying about it.
Pistols and certain special weapons can be fired from and into close combat, that's the point of a pistol weapon, that's why they exist, what the fuck did your friend tell you?
Also he's not your friend anymore and you should beat him with his own dice bag.

>> No.55787189

>>55787151
>also also spewing verbal abuse at someone for not getting a rule right is a great way to alienate yourself from everyone and not make any friends.
You realise what website you're on, don't you?

>> No.55787190

>>55787097
broken

>> No.55787192

>>55787125
Daemon Princes are powerful slaves and nothing more. They are forced to fulfill the will of their patron god or else their essence will float around and chill. An eternity of boredom sounds worse than death to me.

>> No.55787201

>>55787121
Do you even 40k lore? Or just the Carnac equivalent but for Tau?

The Imperiums cares for two things only.
Worship a non retarded version of the emperor
Pay your taxes.
That's it

The first one goes from "don't be an assholes to other just because you think the Emperor was just a man" to "Kill all Xenos"
The taxes part go from "do your job" to "for fuck sake just don't pull a USSR in your planet and fuck everyone in the proceses"

Also for some reason nuGW has a turbo erection regarding the Imperium being Somalia the norm instead of a first world country being the norm like it was in 3rd

>> No.55787202

>>55787184
SM and CSM have a psychic power that turns off Invul saves don't they?

>> No.55787203

>>55787190
How?

>> No.55787205

>>55787174
I didn't stack as many insults onto my statements as possible, in fact, the comment he replied to had no insults in it whatsoever but you're allowed to believe what you want. I admitted that I was wrong so I don't know what more you want from me.

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>>55786995
Thanks anon

>> No.55787218

>>55787202
Kind of, SM has a WC8 nova that does it. CSM has a targetted one.

I hesitate to try to get it off w/o tigurius which I don't have.

>> No.55787219

New l

>>55787198
>>55787198
>>55787198

>> No.55787221

>>55787205
Repirations

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>>55787189
Yeah, the website full of autistic sperglords with no friends, but I can still hope right?

>> No.55787238

>>55787141
>mind control a planet
>better
Did I enter /d/ and some kind of mind control fetish thread?

Only idiots and perverts would ever consider mind control an option.

>> No.55787251

>>55787221
Fuck off France

>> No.55787261

>>55787203
>Vanquisher has more range and better AP than the Onager, similar average damage
>fire 2 D3 shots with special rule
>Unlike the Onager wounds baneblades and titans on a 2+

just looking at that one, no supporting units

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>>55786407
Okay i have realized that the website i was using might be a bit buggy because if you look at the picture i am only dealing 7 unsaved wounds but dealing 22 damage. Unless i dont understand how damage and wounds work that is.

>> No.55787272

>>55787192
My chosen deity is Slaanesh.
My patrons will is literally "take things to excess, fuck everything, give me Eldari souls, torment loyalists" I think I can handle all of those things.
Plus they STILL get rewards for doing the will of our deity and more often than not our patrons will aligns with what we want to do anyway.
Slaanesh be like "hey I'll give you dark powers if you murderfuck this whole planet while snorting enough cocaine to explode your heart" then yeah I'll fucking give it my best shot.

>> No.55787292

>>55787261
The Demolisher already fires d6 shots if the unit is over 5 models, it's basically no different from the current incarnation.

And what is the Onager's average damage?

>> No.55787300

>>55787169
Better to die free than live incapable of freedom. A statist cuck like you wouldn't understand.

>> No.55787513

>>55786102
Cadian infantry squads with a heavy weapon supported by an officer are definitely worth it. Re-roll all hits when standing still and getting an order makes them ideal defensive squads.

Though honestly their heavy weapon squads are much better because of the re-roll all hits. Pop them in cover for 4+ save.

>> No.55787533

>>55784717
And that's fair and good.

>> No.55787540

>>55786518
literally everything is more than conscripts, especially fucking space marines

>> No.55787620

>>55785530
This here is the problem. The Imperium is moving from grimdark to noblebright because all along, they just needed someone with a good head on their shoulders to tell them what's what. The corruption isn't inherent in the system, it's just that everyone but Guilliman is a moron.

>> No.55787651

>>55785562
>'yeah life in the imperium is so great man, you can live for hundreds of years, be a fuckin space marine, serve a loving emperor and fight off the darkness. It's so cool'
This is actually what 90% of Space Marine fans are like though. The lore being written from an Imperial perspective is the opposite of the problem with the Tau.

>> No.55787663

>>55787130
>>55787101
>>55787085
how many are rookies?

>> No.55787666

>>55785599
That's the beauty of Tau haters. One moment they're too good to be true, the other they're actually monsters unlike the enlightened Imperium of Man, depending on what fits the complaints at the moment.

>> No.55787705

>>55786049
My onager is going on a base because paint scratches off pointy feet easily when you are picking it up and putting it down.

That is it.

>> No.55787707

>>55785622
>They have the "moral high ground" according to their propaganda, which a bunch of idiots take as fact.
Gue'vesa have a better quality of life than the overwhelming majority of Imperial citizens. The T'au Empire negotiates before engaging in warfare and accepts and encourages peaceful integration. Talk about propaganda all you like, these are facts.

They are far from good, but they are undeniably better than the Imperium. Fuck, the Imperium being a dystopian shithole is half the point of the setting, but point that out and Imperium fans go nuts.

>> No.55787723

>>55785952
are you watching the new Winters batrep too

>> No.55787729

What's the best build for a shooty captain?

I'm going to put the sanctic halo on him, so no need for a SS

>> No.55787760

>>55785791
The Tau are a small backwater empire. They don't have tens of thousands of years of infighting and a colossal amount of territory to cover. Them being able to hold on to their ideals when in their little corner of the galaxy is not inconsistent with the portrayal of the other factions.

>> No.55787786

>>55785882
Yup. Have fun.

>> No.55787839

>>55786202
Chaos Daemons are meh and Renegades are shit with the exception of Malefic Lords, which are prime aged cheese.

>> No.55787912

>>55786377
Just use the sheet in the OP senpai, saves you the trouble.

>> No.55787954

>>55786462
>not game breaking but makes them worthless imo
They're used because 3ppm for a T3/5+ is a steal and they can tarpit, swarm objectives and redirect fire like a motherfucker. The nerf won't kill them, not even close.

>fucking still? man am i glad i don't play competitive

He's memeing you. Eldar are only good if you run them in Ynnari "Eldar Soup" lists and Tau are shit unless you spam Commanders, with Riptides in particular being fucking trash.

>> No.55788023

>>55786994
Flat out untrue. Castes have set career paths, but there's a ton of variation within. An Earth Caste might be a scientist, an artisan, a manual worker, an engineer, all based on his own merits. Meanwhile an Imperial citizen might get burnt to a crisp because he didn't pray loud enough and his neighbour ratted him out to the Inquisitor.

>> No.55788037

>>55787028
It's more like arguing whether Chile under Pinochet or Cambodia under Pol Pot is worse.

>> No.55788066

>>55787062
But you can't shoot them in melee, genius. You are in melee with a normal gun? You do nothing in the shooting phase and fight in the fight phase. You are in melee with a pistol? You shoot it at your melee enemies in the shooting phase then melee in the fight phase.

>> No.55788172

>>55787839
I like to play EC, are daemonettes any good?

>> No.55788502

>>55784663
Guard at this point is probably around 30% people who jumped on the Bandwagon and 70% Older Players wondering if they'll ever be able to shake the stigma.

Hopefully yes, because the Tau hate took such a nosedive after 8th was released.

>> No.55788644

>>55784894
This could actually be kinda fun. I imagine something like "Send in the Next Wave" but even more suicidal as a unique stratagem.

Maybe for the Doctrine, infantry get +1 Toughness against AP0 weaponry? And then Vehicles uniquly get nothing, and instead its -ARTILLERY- that gets the doctrine bonus wherein they do, I don't know, 1 mortal wound whenever they roll a 6 to wound? Eh, that might be too strong.

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