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I cant be the only one who likes this meme. Pls post ur chads. Pic related.

>> No.55317993

>>55317978

>> No.55318011

Still looking for the Virgin Morgoth

>> No.55318013

I'm already tired of this meme, and it's because there's only been one funny one (virgin islands vs republic of chad) and the rest are just "LOOK, I REPEATED A THING BUT SWITCHED SOME THINGS C'MON GUYS SHARE IT, IT'S LIKE YOUR THING."

In other words, symptomatic of the most unthinking and lame memes destined to be a hallmark of unamusing shitposters.

>> No.55318090

>> No.55318120

Our Table Chad
>Healthy relationship where his wife supports his gaming
>Brings cut veg sticks for everyone to have
>Offers to get everyone a drink when he gos and gets one
> Helps retard when he forgets how his class skills work.
>Always asks what other Pc's think ic
>Trusts the other PC's 100%
>Always smiling
>Gives honest feed back on games but always says what he likes about the game too.
>Offers to take me out to find a girlfriend
>Lies to me and says im a handsome guy and would get girls easy if I just get my teeth fixed.
>always makes sure there is something for each PC to do when he gms.

I got into a fight with other people on the table over one of his games.
>Retards 21 birthday. Spends it with the gaming group.
>Brings out a cupcake with candle on it and turns off light
>I just want to eat my maccyDs and game, not sing
>I just mouth along becuse fuck that retard
>Game starts finally
>Retard in middle of group. Im a scout make a check to find a safe path though the forest
>Roll well, with my skills have super good score
>Chad: Ok you see cleric(retard) slip as the ground dropps out from under him and gos slideing the trail.
>I made sure that path was safe. Argue. I should of got another check for traps
>Retrard finds himself in a clearing with two glowing "presents" . In shiney red paper with a yellow ribbon. Totally lore unfriendly
>Gm: Cleric(retard) You know whats in these. One holds a ring of the sun. The other a clock of Sarenrae. You know once you touch them they will dispear
>Picks the ring. +5 DR to fire damage
>I say that I should get it because im the one who has to deal with traps and GM likes fire traps
>Wont hand it over
>Fuck Chad and retard.

>> No.55318124

>>55318011
>That was the last time in those wars that he passed the doors of his stronghold, and it is said that he took not the challenge willingly; for though his might was greatest of all things in this world, alone of the Valar he knew fear. But he could not now deny the challenge before the face of his captains; for the rocks rang with the shrill music of Fingolfin's horn, and his voice came keen and clear down into the depths of Angband; and Fingolfin named Morgoth craven, and lord of slaves. Therefore Morgoth came, climbing slowly from his subterranean throne, and the rumour of his feet was like thunder underground.

>Morgoth at the time of the War of the Jewels had become permanently 'incarnate': for this reason he was afraid, and waged the war almost entirely by means of devices, or of subordinates and dominated creatures.

>Ungoliant belched forth black vapours as she drank, and swelled to a shape so vast and hideous that Melkor was afraid.
although who the fuck isn't scared of ungoliant, give him a pass on that one

>> No.55318138

>>55318120
I think you might be That Guy, Anon.

>> No.55318142

>>55318120
Blown out.

>> No.55318145

>>55317978
Don't let the homebrewers see this one.

>> No.55318173

>>55318120
You are the virgin at the table. But you knew that already.

>> No.55318193

>>55318013
Control player detected

>> No.55318196

>>55318173
So? Just because I can't talk to girls don'st make me /that guy/. I understand girls. I play them most of the time as Pc's and always play them in mmos

>> No.55318207 [SPOILER] 

>>55318196
>I play women so I understand women!
Anon pls...

>> No.55318210

>>55318196
>I understand girls. I play them most of the time as Pc's and always play them in mmos

>> No.55318211

>>55318196
am i being trolled?

>> No.55318218

>>55318196
>All my characters are based on anime waifus, so I'm pretty sure I understand how real girls act, guys.

Holy shit, you just took the award for most retarded post on /tg/ right now.

>> No.55318235

>> No.55318247

>>55318196
I could believr your first two sentenced if that wasn't for the third one.
t. fellow virgin

>> No.55318253

>>55318145
Holy shit the Virgin is so relatable

>> No.55318257

>> No.55318268

>>55318207
>>55318210
>>55318211
>>55318218
>>55318247

What you like to look at guys ass for 300+ on mmo.
When my Pc flirts with a barmaid thats two girls. Thats 0% gay because its got no girls.

This is meant to be how shitty chads are. And mines the worse. Got tons of these type of stories.

>> No.55318282

>>55318196
You are pretty good at Roleplaying /thatguy/ if thats what you are doing now. I find it hard to believe someone like you exists for real

>> No.55318296

>>55318268
>I play girls because looking at a guy's ass is gay!

Holy shit kid, that's like the most 13 year old answer ever. You're aware this is an 18+ website, right?

>> No.55318304

This meme is truly great

>> No.55318307

>>55318207
>>55318210
>>55318211
>>55318218
>>55318282
Goddammit you idiots stop getting baited.

>> No.55318311

>>55318296
I play girls because I want to be a cute girl.

>> No.55318314

>>55318296
>forcedelf.jpg
>calling anyone else a kid

whew lad.

>> No.55318320

>the Virgin magnus

>the Chad russ

>> No.55318338

I play as girls too because they are so cool.
I am SOOOO happy that those new Female Stormcast models are coming out. I'm going to make an all-female stormcast army!

>> No.55318340

>>55318196
You don't understand I was just pretending to be retarded

>> No.55318343

>>55318013
You sound like you have no idea what a meme actually is. I bet you unironically call it a me-me and think you're being clever when you letter box a picture and add a caption. Hang yourself from the nearest rafter, at lease you'll find some culture dangling under a vaulted ceiling.

>> No.55318396

>>55318311
This guy gets it. Thanks man. I think Im being tolled. But I know that there are people who understand

>>55318282
Im not that guy. I got a little bit of autism thats been diagnosed so I dont have to work. I get to play mmo's all the time and work on my book.
Chad isnt a nice guy. HES /that guy/

>All round friends house
>Chad and firend live near each other and we hang out before we go gaming
>I drive over
>We take it in turns to buy lunch but I don't have to buy because I don't work.
>We get in my car
>Chad in back because friend has broke his leg and its easier for in to be in front.
>Chad pushes tash off seat
>Spots the plastic wrapper to my porn mag
>Chad: its 2014 who still buys porn from a shop
>This happend in 2014. He wasn't trying to be funny
>I just don't want viruses on my pc
>Chad: You bootleg games
>I use p2p its safe.
>Chad: Just use pornhub like a normal person
>Sure Chad, if I want the Chinese to steal my credit card data
>Saw chad the other day after not seeing him in a while. Bought everyone lunch and made a joke about me buying porn again.

He also gave me a nickname and I hate it. Just use my REAL name, pc's name or my online handle.

>> No.55318426

>>55318013
That's what a fucking meme is

>> No.55318446

>>55318145
>listens to luca turilli and rhapsody of fire

Top kek

>> No.55318450

>>55318396
I think you may be the kind of person who is impossible to get along with.

>> No.55318451

>>55318340
You didn't have to point out that I was a virgin to everyone and get me trolled. But if you where only pretending I guess I shouldnt of got baited.
>highqt3bait.jpg

>> No.55318457

>>55318396
>I use p2p its safe
Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
I mean, properly set up and coupled with a vpn it's less risky. But safe, no.

>> No.55318524

>>55318396
You need to look really hard into a mirror and think about what kind of person you are from other people's perspectives.

>> No.55318538

>>55318396
>We take it in turns to buy lunch but I don't have to buy because I don't work.
that doesn't sound like taking turns at all

also I'm assuming this is a troll, but if not you're a faggot and Chad is a saint for putting up with you

>> No.55318541

>>55318396
You are pretty dedicated to trolling. Good jorb.

>> No.55318550

>>55318396

If you are so worried about getting viruses from porn sites:

Use noscript.
Look at the source of the website, to find the video url.
Go to the video url.
Download it (use downloadhelper or downthemall if you need to).


Alternately:
Download sandboxie.

Go to porn sites in sandboxed browser.

>> No.55318555

>>55318396
Fuck you, but what's the source of that angry cute?

>> No.55318557

>>55318396
I doubt that this story is true because of how you intentionally make yourself look like a moron.

>> No.55318559

>>55318120
Your table chad sounds like a really good guy, made me think this would be a story about how cool he is. Instead it's about you be a total virgin.

>> No.55318574

>>55318396
I bet you buy anime and music too faggot.

>> No.55318580

>>55318446
I had to Google Luca Turilli.

This is gold.

COMEDY gold.

>> No.55318583

>>55317978
>>55317993
>>55318257
You completely misunderstood the point of the meme.

>> No.55318585

>>55318555
Devil is a part timer, she is my wifu
>>55318541
Not trolling. People are baiting me.
>>55318538
It is turns. One week Chad buys, the other friend buys
>>55318524
>>55318557
>>55318559

I don't get what you mean. How do I "look at myself". How do I look like a moron, I havn't done anything wrong.

>>55318574
No I get it on p2p or stream it on youtube.
You can get all the ost on youtube.

>> No.55318603

>>55318580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRQ6thP8D0w

Try this for size

An actual, unironic film clip from RoF

>> No.55318607

>>55318555
>>55318585
I should of just posted the link I watched it on.
I should of told you its real name:
Hataraku Maou Sama
But I got the manga and thats the name it has in print.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybzRecomoUw

>> No.55318609

>>55318555
Not the guy you are quoting, but she is "Emi Yusa" from "Devil is a Part Timer".


These sites can be helpfull for you if you need to find an image sauce, although they sometimes don't always work:

https://www.google.com/imghp
iqdb.org.

>> No.55318613

>>55318320
Someone make this happen please

>> No.55318652

>>55318603
Incredible.

As someone who loves opera, I'm not even mad. I'm impressed.

>> No.55318654

>>55318585
>I havn't done anything wrong.

You're jobless and scrounging free pizza

You have a car full of trash.

Indiscreet in matters of porn.

Worry about viruses rather than taking steps to solve the problem.

Thinks that p2p is safe

Thinks that the Chinese are going to get your credit card data from pornhub

Chad buys everyone dinner and you whine because he calls you out on something that you did that was stupid.

>> No.55318686

>>55318654
ITs fish and chips if you must know. And he gets me a battered sausage instead because I dont like fish and its cheaper so im saving him money.

he covers his fries in ketchup too, like some sort of tard

>> No.55318689

>>55318207
>fetish
>a mental illness
You're not even trying

>> No.55318695

The ONLY good one

>> No.55318698

>>55318585
Your waifu a shit. SHIT!

>> No.55318709

>>55318585
Chiho is better scrub

>> No.55318716

>>55318686
You getting free food off of him is somehow saving him money? How the fuck does that work?

>Not liking ketchup
Is there even a name for what is wrong with you?

>> No.55318724

The only people i know who have their car covered in trash are actually certified Autists. You can seriously tell if someone is autistic by how dirty their car is or how picky of an eater they are.

>> No.55318755

>>55318709
shes in love the MC. im not a cuck like you.
>>55318716
because the fish is more money. And he gos to the supermarket and buys a bottle of ketchup and uses TONS of it.
Chads mum always put too much of it on his plate as a kid and he still dose it now because >'it reminds me of her."
fag. Just because shes dead dons't mean you should ruin your food. Why drown it ?

>> No.55318798

>>55318755
>"it reminds me of her."
>fag. Just because shes dead dons't mean you should ruin your food. Why drown it ?
You must be a troll. There's no way you're this much of a cunt.

>> No.55318805

>>55318755
I bet you are one of those faggots who puts malt vinegar on food, making the whole place smell like an armpit

>> No.55318815

>>55318755
>shes in love the MC. im not a cuck like you.
>imfuckingplying that Emi isn't hasn't already fallen for the Devil
I do believe you are serious

>> No.55318826

>>55318755
>Implying that Emi is Tsundere as fuck towards Maou and wants his demonic dick.

No Anon, you are the cuck. And then Anon watched his waifu get fucked.

>> No.55318829

>>55318798
ITs not like she can tell. Like who is he doing it for. Even when is was alive she wasnt with us.
>>55318805
No just extra salt. Like I use the clubs salt because they dont put enough on.

>> No.55318846

>>55318829
He's doing it because it helps him remember the person who he loved and cared for, clearly something you never had.
Are you psychotic or something?

>> No.55318860

>>55318805
No... vinegar does not smell like armpits.

>> No.55318874

https://exhentai.org/g/672004/49c6d05bab/

In case anyone wants to see this autists waifu get gangbanged

>> No.55318875

>>55318829
>sperging out over catsup

>> No.55318892

>>55318860
Vinegar is fucking disgusting and smells awful. Trust me, i live in Maryland and "boardwalk fries" are a thing here

>> No.55318906

>>55318846
of course I have someone I care for.

His mother also ruin one of his campaigns because he didnt like coming gaming when she died.
If 'retard' gave me that ring we could of got much more done. But instead the game ended and nothing got resolved.
He is a real retard too, works in a supermarket.
>>55318874
>https://exhentai.org/g/672004/49c6d05bab/
rofl , just a picture of a panda.

>> No.55318950

>>55318906
What job do you have again?

>> No.55318958

>>55318906
>real retard too, works in a supermarket
Says the unemployed man.

Also how fucking dare you for saying that shit about his mother? She died and he was broken up about it, anyone would have. Some people take it more than others and that's normal. "Chad" should just leave your sorry rotten ass for writing shit like this behind his back.

>> No.55318961

>>55318950
He doesn't have one.

>> No.55318988

>>55318906
>rofl , just a picture of a panda.
while I'm almost certain you're trolling this one legitimately made me laugh out loud.

>> No.55318995

Not this shit again.
Fuck off to >>>/b/

>> No.55319043

>>55318961
I know i just wanted him to say that

>>55318995
Is /b/ still a thing?

>> No.55319112

>>55318724
Who are these handsome and joyful men? Whatever their doing, they should keep it because those smiles are worth it.

>> No.55319134

>>55318724
What if I'm clean AND a picky eater?

>> No.55319142

>>55317978

>> No.55319164

>>55319134
Picky eating is a huge sign of autism. Not even memeing, thats one of the biggest red flags. Not sure about the dirty car thing, thats just an observation as I know 2 guys very obviously on the spectrum and they both have fast food bags from months ago everywhere.

>> No.55319205

>> No.55319206

>>55318311
have you tried not being a faggot? people are you are repulsive. I'd never allow a tranny in the making to join my game.

>> No.55319218

>>55318961
>>55319043
>>55318950

I dont need to work because the government pays for my stuff for me. Why should I waste my time in a supermarket when I can earn the same amount sitting at home and working on my book.
While your stacking shelfs im playing world of tanks or painting my army
Chad even says Im better at painting then he is so who is a loser now.

>>55318958
>a game thats been running for 4 months
> 12 sessions or so because we play once a week but got two games running
>Uses point buy but lets me roll for my stats
>Roll really poorly but Chad lets me use point buy instead
>f that. Ill just reroll at home
>Dosn't even check my sheet or stats. Could of put 18's in all my stats if I wanted too.
>I use the main woman from my book to help me get in her head more for when I write
>4'2 Kitsune rouge, wrapps her breasts down because they get in the way while she pick pockets. She likes teasing the barmaids because they wasting their time
> Stats are 16, 22, 15, 14, 16, 11
>Is a REALISTIC ORIGINAL character rather than a lolzrandom that the half orc barbarian who is Lolz so strong or the human ranger that is just Aragorn.
>Have to stop a madman who is stealing very odd items from all over the world.
>Killing people left and right but I dont care about that, just there to get paid.
>About to sneak into a dragons den. Set everything up so we are able to steal from dragon without it seeing us.
>Was finally able to get my own fire ring after 4 sessions dispite me checking each shop around every town we go to.
>during the week his mum dies.
>send him a message to see if game is still on
>don't even reply
>game cancelled but no one tells me till a few hours before hand.
>He makes me go and get my own dinner
>next week other game is on, Chad dosn't even bother sending a message in saying he isnt coming
>THIRD week still no game, still not replying to my messages
>week 4 other game. No chad, no message
>5th week chad bothers to show up but dosn't want to run

>> No.55319228

>>55318607
what the fuck language is that in

>> No.55319261

>>55319218
>Is a REALISTIC ORIGINAL character rather than a lolzrandom that the half orc barbarian who is Lolz so strong or the human ranger that is just Aragorn.

You were doing well man but this is where you overplayed your hand, some good baiting so far though

>> No.55319273

>>55319206
Have you tried not being repressed? People like you are pitiful. I'd never allow a coward like you to join my game.

>> No.55319275

>>55319218
Please post some samples of you book. Its going to be admissible evidance available to all once you inevitably shoot up a church or school so might as well do it now.

>> No.55319326

>>55319218
Dude, his mom died. Did you even call and ask him how he was? Go to the funeral to support him? Dont be a dick and let him grieve.

>> No.55319369

>>55319228
spanish

>> No.55319382

>>55319275
I want to sell it. So I can't post anything so it stays as my IP.
Its really good though. Im up to 538 pages so far. Im taking a break to write some lore stuff.
Its set in a land where women are the ones in power and men are rare so they are all kept in cages and what happens when people from the east come over to their land.
Its about the rouge then going to their land and seeing what they are really like so when the war comes they have the info.
Cant say any more then that.
>>55319261
Not baitng, just annoyed that everyone always plays somthing from lotr or lolrandom's
>>55319326
This was years ago. I asked him if the game was on and what I wanted to do next session. He didnt even reply how was I ment to ask how he was doing if he didnt message me back?

>> No.55319422

>>55319369
no the subs are in english Why you shit posting. I didnt need to waste my time and post it for him.

>> No.55319424

>>55319382
>rouge

>> No.55319457

>>55318874

Don't worry I got ya.

>>55318906

>rofl , just a picture of a panda.

Here, take this:

https://e-hentai.org/g/672004/49c6d05bab/

>> No.55319485

>>55319457
>https://e-hentai.org/g/672004/49c6d05bab/
Its not cannon so it dosn't count.

>> No.55319490

I don't want to believe that someone who pays for porn and claims to own a car but refuses to reciprocally buy other people food is actually real.
Not that you are real, but still.

>> No.55319497

what is happening

>> No.55319545

They're best when they reflect your (read: my) opinions.

>> No.55319550

>>55319497
We've either discovered the most pathetic person /tg/ right now or a better than average troll.

>> No.55319599

>>55319490
They offer. Its been this way since 2014. They know I can't afford to buy food out, I got the car from the government. ITs even worse now because they have cut my benefit. Had to move in with a friend so I dont have to pay rent.
fucking government screwing me over.
>>55319497
People are trolling me. This was ment to be a CHAD thread not a pick on me thread.

>> No.55319601

>>55318311
Same.

>> No.55319671

>>55319422
>asking to get spoonfed
>butthurt when shit on

>> No.55319700

>>55319599
>This was ment to be a CHAD thread not a pick on me thread.

Try not being a professional parasite.

>> No.55319712

>>55318396
>I got a little bit of autism thats been diagnosed so I dont have to work.

>Autism so bad I don't have to work
>little bit

No

>> No.55319737

>>55319712
I cant deal with things like this. LOOK WHATS HAPPEND
I tell a story about a chad and eveyone gets mad at me.
Im not going to be able to sleep at all tonight.

>> No.55319768

>>55319737
Good you shouldn't be sleeping well you fucking parasite. Stop playing MMOs and get a fucking job like the rest of us.

>> No.55319784

>when people misunderstand a meme and think the chad is supposed to be the preferable, superior of the two when in fact it is supposed to be completely blown out of proportion

>> No.55319785

>>55319737
You havent realized yet?
The goverment pays you because you are insufferable autist
They literally pay you to not be near
SAD!!!!

>> No.55319789

>>55319142
He needs a plasma gun and something about his invuln save

>> No.55319800

>>55319737
>I cant deal with things like this. LOOK WHATS HAPPEND

Close the browser and do something else for an hour or two

Or stick around and get picked on, your choice

>> No.55319810

>>55317978
There's a 15 year old virgin control that I go up against literally every week at FnM

He does shit like the game is over and he doesnt ask to grab my deck, he just takes it and announces to everyone what i'm playing and tears it apart

(even though i win every game except for against him because he fills his deck with negates and cancels so fffufuufufu)

i could have made top 8 players i won two games if only i hadnt lost to him motherfucker

>> No.55319816

>>55319382
>Its set in a land where women are the ones in power and men are rare so they are all kept in cages and what happens when people from the east come over to their land.

I can tell this is going to be a masterpiece

>> No.55319821

>>55318580
>COMEDY gold.
??

>> No.55319843

>>55319768
I can't I autism. If I try they will take all my money away.
MMo's are fun.
>>55319785
if I was insufferable why would I have a gaming group
>check and mate!
>>55319816
Thanks! I have worked really hard on it.

>> No.55319848

>>55318120
>Trying to steal someone's pretend birthday present
Really, anon?

>> No.55319861

>>55318603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUiA4blvQPQ

>> No.55319912

>>55319848
We where 5th level. He was a cleric with sun/fire in pathfinder
"Fire Resistance (Ex): At 6th level, you gain resist fire 10. This resistance increases to 20 at 12th level. At 20th level, you gain immunity to fire."
HE didn't even need it. Chadgm said it stacked, but If I had it then I would get some DR vs the fire traps.
I could then turn them off and no one would need to get burned.
When I save for 1/2 then dr 5 I would only take a few points of damage

>> No.55319916

>>55319843
>if I was insufferable why would I have a gaming group

Chad and Retard know they are the closest things you have to friends and out of pity hang out with you in the desperate hope that their example will make you try and better yourself. Sadly this will never happen and eventually you will do something that will finally drive them away from you permanently.

>> No.55319921

>>55319843
>if I was insufferable why would I have a gaming group
Because they pity you.

>> No.55319947

>>55318396
Holy fuck, even if this is fake, my fucking sides bust.
Thanks, Anon.

>> No.55319957

>>55319916
>>55319921
It was a rhetorical question hench the check and mate.
We did have an argument when they caught me fudging my dice. But thats blown over now.
>ib4 fudging is cheating
I did it for the betterment of the game.

>> No.55319978

>>55319218
>>I use the main woman from my book to help me get in her head more for when I write
>>4'2 Kitsune rouge, wrapps her breasts down because they get in the way while she pick pockets. She likes teasing the barmaids because they wasting their time
>>Is a REALISTIC ORIGINAL character rather than a lolzrandom that the half orc barbarian who is Lolz so strong or the human ranger that is just Aragorn.

>>during the week his mum dies.
>>send him a message to see if game is still on
I could maybe believe some of the other shit, but this is pushing it a little.

>> No.55319991

>>55319843
>if I was insufferable why would I have a gaming group
Given how you secretly resent and are jealous of people in your group, both in and out of games, I'd say the reason they let you play is: one of the single greatest acts of kindness I've seen, you miserable fictional character.

>> No.55320002

>>55319957
>I fudged dice
>totally not cheating lol
>it improved the game

That's the DM's call, not the player's

>> No.55320045

I have autism and
a) I work
b) I promise you I'd never put up with your insecure, insincere bullshit
You must be a special kind of toxic anon.

>> No.55320059

I too have autism and
a) I'm employed
b) I'd never put up with your insecure, insincere bullshit
You're a special kind of toxic anon.

>> No.55320066

>>55319957
>I did it for the betterment of the game
That's a pathetic excuse and you know it. You cheated for the betterment for yourself, not the game. Mate, if your a troll your doing a good job and I tip my hat to you, but if this shit is actually real then you are one of the most saddest excuse of the human being out there. Hell, I live with my parents and play fucking AD&D with them, and your a sadder excuse of a human than I.

>> No.55320076

I too have autism and
a) I'm self-employed and running my own business
b) I'd never put up with your insecure, insincere bullshit
You're a special kind of toxic anon.

>> No.55320086

>>55319978
Well like I said. I didnt know the game was on or not and if it wasn't I needed to go and get food.
He didnt bother to let anyone know for sure.
>>55320002
>>55320066
Well when you are rolling low all night it makes the game worse for everyone

>>55320045
>>55320059
at least I didnt post the same thing twice only changing one word. You really are worse then I am.

>> No.55320090

>>55320076
This one's not me (>>55320045 & >>55320059) so don't think this is a triple post and you're free of multiple accounts of such contempt.

>> No.55320093

>>55320086
Unironically, ignore the wageslave cucks and the trolls but honestly Chad and Retard sounds nice and you should be nicer with them.

>> No.55320099

>>55320086
You're not just autistic. You're fucking retarded. I thought the website ate my post and there's 0% incentive to give a shit about a double-post. But sure, tell yourself that makes me worse, you pathetic parasite.

>> No.55320112

>>55320076
I have toxic and
a) I Autism
b) I promise you I'd never put up with your insecure, insincere employment
You're a special kind of bullshit anon.

>> No.55320127

>>55320045
>>55319768
He already said that he wouldn't get more money so what's the point?
And he's too autistic for jobs with customers like that.

>> No.55320141

>>55320076
>I'm self-employed and running my own business
What job? I'm >>55320066 and me and my family breed chickens, ducks, and turkeys.

>> No.55320142

>>55319545

This one is really good. Well done!

>> No.55320148

>>55320127
Without demonstrating productivity in a proven industry, he'll never achieve financial success and will remain an unfuckable slug all this life. Do you really only see the short-term of this situation?

>> No.55320155

There's literrally nothing wrong with being a virgin past your 20's

>> No.55320159

>>55320142
Not mine but I love it. Wish this turbo-autist didn't derail this thread so we could take more about these.

>> No.55320162

>>55320112
I have anon and
a) I employ
b) I promise you I'd never put up with your insecure insincere autism
You're a special kind of bullshit toxin.

>> No.55320169

>>55320155
Yes there is

>> No.55320170

>>55320155
There's also literally nothing wrong with thinking that an undesirable and mockable trait.

>> No.55320177

>>55320169
Jimmy Carr didnt lose his Vcard till he was 23.

>> No.55320184

>>55320141
Mortgage Broker

I help people buy houses, remortgage etc. There's lots of not-so-simple house buying situations that regular banks and price-comparison websites don't help much with.

I grew up on a farm (sheep, cattle and pig) so best of luck with the bird breeding.

We used to buy our chickens from a specialist breeder - he had all sorts of breeds, including one that laid blue eggs.

Fucking magical with hens that man was.

>> No.55320185

>>55320148
Most reastically he will probably still have a very low tier job in 30 years as he probably has no higher education.
Social mobility is mostly a meme unless you are rich or have the right degree at the right moment.
And customers are so rude that it's actually far worse self-esteem wise.

>> No.55320189

>>55320177
and didn't pay taxes until 2016

>> No.55320192

>>55317993

>> No.55320208

>>55320169
Yes but not a reason to be mean to someone who is.

>> No.55320213

>> No.55320218

>>55318875
>calling it catsup
>not expecting at least someone to sperg
FUCK YOU ANON AND YOUR IDIOT FUCKING VERNACULAR

>> No.55320225

>>55320213
10/10

>> No.55320229

>>55320185
>social mobility is a myth
>unless you employ your resources and apply your efforts with rational consideration
Are you seriously this much of a victim? It may be rare but that speaks to the low quality of your average person, not the unfeasibility of achieving it.

>> No.55320236

>>55319784
Tbh, Chad Insurrection would be preferable to our current system.
Parliamentary democracy is fucking retarded method of governance, if you think about it even a little bit, instead of just go with the modern assumption of democracy=good without questioning it at all.

>> No.55320240

>>55320189
top kek m8

>> No.55320243

>>55320208
Yes there is.
>I want to

>> No.55320244

>>55319599
>fucking government screwing me over.
AHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.55320253

>>55320170
It's generaly bad to be mean to someone who isn't hurting you or society. in anyway

>> No.55320254

>>55317978
That's the opposite of the meme, though. Virgin is supposed to be relatively normal social awkwardness turned up a bit, while Chad is a cartoonish glorification of terrible behaviors.

>> No.55320256

>>55319737
>I tell a story about a TOTAL BRO and eveyone gets mad at a wretch like me

>> No.55320261

>>55320184
Ahh, Easter Egger. Tried to get one, but those chickens are expensive in Nova Scotia. Awesome to hear you're a mortgage broker, I wouldn't of guessed that mortgage brokers could be self-employed. I thought they need to be part of a bank/mortgage group, but that's awesome to hear that you didn't need to be shackled to a company. I hope your business does well good sir, and you have my respect.

>> No.55320262

>>55319599
>fucking government screwing me over
>the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away
You really should have prioritized independence instead of suckling the teat of a rotting cow.

>> No.55320266

This is still the best one.

>> No.55320276

>>55320253
Uh, bullshit. I'm expressing my values in order to apply social pressure to increase the odds any hypothetical reader will choose to adhere to them. What are you, in preschool?

>> No.55320284

>>55318724
This is true. A guy know of (cousin to one of my friends) gained the nickname 'the cocio man' because his car was full of empty cocio bottles (delicious danish chocolate milk). He was very obviously autistic.

>> No.55320293

>>55320229
I was just responding to that : >>55320148
Just saying that like most NEETs trying to get a job will not help even in the long-term.
Kinda rare to find a NEET who can just find the money for higher education so unless you can then you should just remains one.

>> No.55320316

>>55320261
Thanks it varies by country but in the UK a bank/lender can have their own advisers but you can also go solo - you're not lending a client money yourself, you're telling them which lender will lend to them given their circumstances and putting in the application for them.

Almost all independent brokers have either worked direct for a bank or other large lender at some point.

It is rather lucrative, if you know what you're doing:
>client pays for my advice
>bank pays me for putting business their way
>insurer pays me if I sell life insurance
>insurer pays me if I sell home insurance
>solicitor pays me if client uses them for the legal part of house buying (conveyancing)

>> No.55320318

>>55320293
>if Tyrone is fucking your wife anyway you should just let him
I'm not even a /pol/lack and that's the most cucked reasoning I've ever heard but I guess you're just calling a spade a spade.

>> No.55320331

>>55320192
>still has the headphones
kek

>> No.55320343

>>55320276
And he's challenging you on those values. What the shit do you care whether someone's a virgin or not?

>> No.55320345

>>55320266
That's pretty funny.

>> No.55320353

>>55318145
Only one ITT so far that has a grasp on the meme.

>> No.55320355

>>55319382
>how was I ment to ask how he was doing if he didnt message me back?
You lead with that, you illiterate filth.

>> No.55320367

>>55320343
I mean, I don't really care but it's enough to mock, because if he'd successfully gotten laid in his prime years he'd have learned something about being physically and emotionally intimate with another person that he doesn't know now and it's usually detrimental to one's ability to get over themselves.

>> No.55320372

>>55320318
I'm just saying that most NEETs don't have that possibility anymore and without it then they are almost certainly going to ever get a job worth working, it's hardly choosing to be cucked because they have no satisfysing options at that point.

>> No.55320378

>>55318253
That's kind of the point.

>Virgin: largely relatable, although some specific behaviors may be silly/undesirable
>Chad: antithesis of the virgin, taken to absurd degrees

>> No.55320382

>>55320372
True men overcome but I suppose that's why their NEETs, so your point's taken.

>> No.55320390

>>55318603
I-is that a nipple?

>> No.55320391

>>55320367
One of the least stupid reasons I've read.

>> No.55320412

>>55318875
WE DIDN'T FIGHT TWO WORLD WARS SO YOU COULD SAY IT LIKE THAT

>> No.55320425

>>55317978
>Redditors not getting the original joke
I hate it.

>> No.55320441

>>55320382
You still haven't proposed a realistic way for a NEET without money to eventually get a good job so I guess you are just ones of these guys believing everyone working hard enough will always magically succeed and deny that people can be jusr stuck in dead end situations.
The worst is that you would probably be among the first to mock guys with him if he was stuck in a sucky in 20 years because of your advice.

>> No.55320443

>>55320236
I sincerely hope you only ironically believe this

>> No.55320468

>>55320441
The options are intrinsically bounded by context. All I can advise is prioritizing achieving independence and understanding it will take time and yes, there's no guarantees.
It's not magic, retard. It's just the unfortunate situation we're in.

>> No.55320476

>>55320213
Best one so far.

>> No.55320489

>>55318145
Fuck m8, I thought I was world building incorrectly the whole time. Go figure I was just chad.

>> No.55320497

>>55318724
gonna go clean my car now
am i safe from the tism if i eat literally anything put in front of me? not even a fatty i just like different and new foods

>> No.55320499

>>55320468
K' it's a reasonable position but from a truly pragmatic viewpoint it's better to really examine the odds because people in stable welfare still have something to lose with less odds to win something more than what they think.

>> No.55320518

>>55320499
Well it's ultimately going to come down to values because I personally could not be satisfied indefinitely surviving on welfare. I'd rather risk ruin than dependence.

>> No.55320525

>>55320499
>stable welfare
Legendary shitposting, m8

>> No.55320529

>>55320443
I am completely serious.

I cannot accept a system, where the wielders of power hold zero responsibility for usage of that power. A politician will never hold the responsibility of his decisions, even if they are utterly disastrous to the people he is supposed to govern. The gravest "responsibility" he holds, is not being elected again. That is nothing. Parliamentary democracy absolves all responsibility from the usage of power. It opens the door to corruption wide open, and is utterly degenerative to the society it runs on the long run.
The wielders of power should bear the burden of their responsibility, and if they make a grave enough error, they should pay for it with their lives.

Also, the idea of universal suffrage in itself, is fucking dumb, because it puts the opinion of a madman and a moron on the same level of quality as that of the learned expert and wise man. In addition, it gives people whom hold no interest in the long term wellbeing and existence of the nation, a say in the matters of the nation, which is pure insanity. This system is utterly foolish way of governing anything larger than a village community.

The notions of democracy and universal suffrage being virtuous both stem from the utterly baseless assertion that all humans are equal, that was born during the enlightenment. This assertion is at the very heart of our modern culture, and it is utterly incorrect, hence our ongoing decline. Human beings are not equal. We are different from one another, in all sorts of respects, from intelligence, physical capability, beauty, wisdom, industriousness and so on, thus we CANNOT be equal to one another. Equality is a false god of the modern era, and the longer we cling to it, the harsher our ruination shall be.

>> No.55320564

>>55320529
This, autocracy is the best way forward.

>> No.55320565

>>55320529
What then, is the correct system of governance?

>> No.55320583

>>55320529
Everything you said was true, but so what? Every other method of governance is far worse, infected with even more perverse absurdities, and have proven their unfeasibility in their near or total extinction.
Everything belongs to the warlords anyway. Why not let the people dream they're free?

>> No.55320597

>>55320564
>forward
>not utterly degenerative and fatally incapable of passing competence from generation to generation of rulers

>> No.55320604

>>55318311
Me too, accepting that trying to change yourself for that would only make it more difficult has got to be the worst tho
>>55319206
>implying anyone would want to play with a stick in the mud like you
>>55318207
>that pic
fuc u I just wanna be cute ;-;

>> No.55320609

>>55320529
Right Comrade! Bring forth glorious communist revolution!

>> No.55320619

>>55320597
>>not utterly degenerative and fatally incapable of passing competence from generation to generation of rulers
Where did I suggest inheritance was involved?

>> No.55320639

>>55320518
I guess even the weirdest thing will be romantized by someone.

>> No.55320645

>>55320597
Autocracies have lasted far longer than any other system of government. It's not even close.
If they devolve over time and get refreshed with something else, so be it, but as long as there is a maintaining of the community and general safety from without, I'll take it.

>> No.55320657

>>55320619
Please. Inheritance is the least of your concerns when you consider the inevitability of nepotism.
People like you get hip to a little critical political theory, a little moral relativism, and think the answer's so clear-cut. But the corrosive nature of humanity is weathered *worse* by highly formal governments, not better. Democracy (heavily modified as needed) is the only system that meets people as they are, as they will be.

>> No.55320667

>>55320639
>romanticizing independence is weird
You're barely human, you know that, right?

>> No.55320679

>>55320645
>pretending the last five hundred years of human existence are even comparable to the rest of the two hundred thousand years
Autocracies will only become feasible if civilization utterly collapses.

>> No.55320680

>>55320529
Either you think of yourself as someone who would be fit to have power in such a system, or you'd be happy to live in the dirt and lick the boots of your betters, praising these superior humans for taking power and ruling over your life which you are too weak to manage yourself.

>> No.55320685

>>55320565
Me as the Benevolent God-King of Europe.

>> No.55320700

>>55320679
>if the material conditions of the human race change then so will its society and organization
gee einstein

>> No.55320704

>>55320564
To a certain extent, yes, though complete centralization of power is always risky. A decentralized system of autocratic nodes that co-operate against mutual foes, and compete against one another would be preferable.

>>55320565
I have not yet fully formed a completely fleshed out alternative, but my inclinations point towards a system of tribal fascism, where each community of people has a strong leader responsible for the well being and protection of that community. These leaders could be elected by the community itself, but democracy would stop beyond this point, because the larger the scale, the shittier system democracy becomes. The larger matrix holding these communities together would be relatively low bureaucracy authoritarian state, with district leaders to whom the community leaders answer, and above the district leaders, would be a sort of "court" with a supreme leader and his advisers and generals. The leader would be the head of the overall state, and responsible for the major decisions of the nation, but the court could overrule him, should they agree upon that the leader is making a mistake.

My whole goal with this sort of system, is basically eliminate politicians completely, and bring forth a system where the leaders actually have to carry the burden of their actions. Their authority stems from the fact that they hold the responsibility of the usage of power, meaning that if they fuck up, they will be punished, potentially even killed, if their fuckup is too grave. No power should come without responsibility.

>>55320583
Democracy is far, far worse than any other governance we humans have devised thus far. Our descendants will curse us for plaguing our nations with this utter insanity.

>>55320609
M8, communism is the highest manifestation of the utterly insane egalitarianism that stems from the enlightenment. I reject egalitarianism, thus I reject communism in all of it's forms.

>> No.55320709

>>55320680
This anon gets it. Wannabe-autocrats are either happily cucked serfs or think they'd be the hero in a shitty action movie.

>> No.55320719

>>55320700
Gee retard, it still effectively refutes your point about autocracies' previous longevity.

>> No.55320749

>>55320657
Nepotism is perhaps worse when the people are deluded into believing they have a say in it.
I don't abide moral relativism either. I have nothing against egalitarianism.
>"Democracy"
What a fucking joke. The western society has so far evolved from representative government that little men in robes can overturn the very laws meant to bind the masses with "interpreting" language however they see fit.
Don't lecture me about relativism.

>> No.55320758

>>55320704
>fascism will enable the common people to hold their leaders responsible
You must be completely illiterate to have avoided so much history.

>> No.55320763

>>55320680
M8, I have no desire to lead anyone. I'd be completely fine to being a follower in an autocratic system, because I recognize that I am not fitting for the role of a true leader who bears the burden and responsibility of his authority and actions, at least not yet.
I simply recognize, that an autocratic system in which the leader also held responsibility for his usage of power, would be preferable to our modern system, where nobody holds responsibility for anything.

Power without responsibility is nothing more than an open door for corruption.

>for taking power and ruling over your life which you are too weak to manage yourself.
Most people, cannot manage their own lives. One look at the unhealthy, degenerate, and weak masses of humanity that care for nothing but stuffing their mouths with food and watching some pointless drivel on the tv, should make it evidently clear, that these people, are not fit to govern themselves, let alone anyone else.

>> No.55320766

>>55320719
No I'm another anon, I misread and thought you said when civilization collapses autocracy will be proven correct

>>55320749
>nepotism is worse when more than one person has power over the decision / the decider is accountable to others
???

>> No.55320787

>>55320749
So your criticism of "democracy" is that it isn't democratic enough? What virtues do you hope to achieve by reducing the people's involvement?
>>55320704
So goddamn naive. That's just gonna get you a bunch of sectarian violence.

>> No.55320798

>>55320565
>>55320564
Whatever doesn't involve creating some form of Nobility in the long term.
Or some tyrant monarch willing to have a high rotation of his administration, but willing to compromise if the cabinet actually works for once.
Aristocrats tends to be pretty cancerous, since Society will encourage segregation. And with the modern worlds extremely large nations, the Aristocrats is suddenly sheltered and spoiled, instead of somewhat local and ambitions. Nothing can be done about them being shitheads, thats just human nature.

Last time I checked, USSR was felled by its third generation of aristocrats once Stalin kicked the bucket: and there suddenly was a huge age gap to the next generation. They where simply to disconnected to have ambition, and was unable to further the glory of Communism.
I wouldn't describe it as decadent either: Just lack of real world experience, fervor and ambition. And then losing to USA in a rather intense Social Cold War.

>> No.55320817

>>55320763
Oh I see, you're the failed nobleman who sees himself as diseased and wouldn't want to corrupt the system by being part of it, so you fall on your sword and lower yourself to the rest of us ordinary, vile people. What a great act of self-sacrifice.

>> No.55320822

>>55320763
>let's evalute society by the trash (which always reproduces overmuch) instead of the many proven successes in finance, science, and art
Whatever m8. You should just move to China; they're not really commies and you'll get plenty of real experience with autocracy there.

>> No.55320831

>>55320719>>55320679

Actually, wasn't me on the Einstein comment.

My point about autocracies is that they will always be appealing, are comparatively easy to develop, and while they may not be a permanent and ongoing solution they will always be a solution. If they crumble, fine. But as far as interim options go, you could do far worse. I'm not stupid enough to think an autocrat will some righteous avatar of human goodness, either, but the possibility is there.

>> No.55320837

>>55320758
I am a student of political history, so no.

And such a system where power would come with responsibility, would obviously have a system in place that sees to it that the responsibility is carried out. The law and courts would be set up in such a way, that the leaders would also face justice if they fuck up. Courts would remain their own domain obviously, as the arbiters of the law, and not even the supreme leader would be exempt of the law, though obviously, the laws that govern the leader would be different from the laws that govern a mere citizen.

The system would basically be set up so that the higher you are in the chain of command, the greater your authority is, but so is your responsibility, along with the punishment if you fail your responsibilities and fuck up.

>> No.55320838

>>55320667
Kinda, I just don't understand all the fuss about it, maybe it's a missing emotion or instinct in me but I don't really care about independance itself.
Some things who CAN come with it are nice though, just that I wouldn't get them and would only get things making my life worse.

>> No.55320840

>>55320213
Even the themes fit, nice.

>> No.55320844

>>55320837
>I am a student of political history
Just cause you study, doesn't mean you learn.

;^)

>> No.55320846

>>55320831
Well, of the Union collapses autocracies will inevitably arise so you're not wrong but anyone who desires such an outcome is naive and traitorous.

>> No.55320858

>>55320837
Well, that's a pleasant, impossible little utopia you've got there.

>> No.55320865

>>55320858
>impossible
>(U)topia
please don't be redundant. Utopia is by definition, not a place.

>> No.55320870

>>55320838
Well, I guess the Autocrat is right about one thing. Men like you were made to be ruled.

>> No.55320881

>>55320787
>That's just gonna get you a bunch of sectarian violence.
Nope if the overall state is an ethnostate with a strong unifying culture.

>>55320817
>Oh I see, you're the failed nobleman who sees himself as diseased and wouldn't want to corrupt the system by being part of it, so you fall on your sword and lower yourself to the rest of us ordinary, vile people. What a great act of self-sacrifice.

The fuck are you talking about? I have no drop of noble blood in my family. I descend from a bunch of dirt farmers from rural Finland. That doesn't mean that I cannot make these observations of on western society and the failure of our parliamentary democracies to actually pursue the interests of our peoples.

>>55320822
Why would I move to china? They are not my people and I have no common creed with them.

>> No.55320886

>>55318013
Yet you chose to enter this thread instead of hiding it and moving on.

>> No.55320888

>>55320766
>>nepotism is worse when more than one person has power over the decision / the decider is accountable to others
>An autocrat actually wields supreme power and doesn't have delegates
???

>> No.55320889

>>55320865
I know. I wanted to make sure you knew.

>> No.55320898

>>55320858
By what grounds, would it be impossible?
Obviously corruption would be a potential risk in such a system, but I have hard time imagining a more corrupt system than modern democracies, so I fail to see how corruption in itself, would be an argument against a more authoritarian system.

>> No.55320903

>>55320881
Oh, you're an ethno-autist. Makes sense now.
>what is all of European history
>what is states' rivalry
/pol/'s made you stupid, sorry kiddo.

>> No.55320907

>>55320881
>>The fuck are you talking about?
>when anon can't into metaphor

>> No.55320916

>>55320870
>you should be a slave because wrongbad emotions

>> No.55320917

>>55320881
>establishing a new order without purging the old
OH SHIT FINLAND WHAT ARE YOU DOIN?

>> No.55320923

>>55320888
>autocrats don't have delegates
You're actually retarded.

>> No.55320944

>>55320680
>I deserve to have my right to eat myself to Death
>Yay 'murica
>Yay FREEEEEEEEEEEdumb

>> No.55320953

>>55320213
Lost it when I noticed the mouse was not connected

>> No.55320962

>>55320898
Literally all of history demonstrates the folly of autocracies. They're called the Five Good Emperors because it's fucking incredible there were five in a row.

>> No.55320967

>>55320870
Most men are made to be ruled. We humans are tribal creatures and generally speaking, being a follower is a lot safer for the spread of your genes, than risking the role of a leader, which in the past, was a deadly business. It should be made into a deadly business once again.

>>55320903
>Oh, you're an ethno-autist.
Yes, and? My moral foundation rests upon my family and my people. I quite honestly, don't give a shit about non-Finns or extend any moral considerations upon them. I only care about the existence and wellbeing of my people. Universalist morals are shit tier and do not work in the real world. Humans are ethnocentric by our nature evolutionary, that is the best fucking strategy. I am not so arrogant that I think that the last 200 years of technological development has changed our biological nature.

Also, unlike you, I do not view rivalry and competition as a bad thing. The rivalry of European peoples was one of the things that honed the Europeans into what we are during our long history.

>>55320917
Of course the old order would be purged. That goes without saying. Traitors who sold my people's future out to international interests deserve to be shot.

>> No.55320974

>>55320916
You're already a slave. Or maybe a pet.

>> No.55320980

>>55318011
>we will never see Tulkas give morgoth the orbital elbow drop on film

>> No.55320984

>>55320967
>
Also, unlike you, I do not view rivalry and competition as a bad thing. The rivalry of European peoples was one of the things that honed the Europeans into what we are during our long history.

>> No.55320998

>>55320962
And what are the accomplishments of democracies? In less than a century, democratic states in Europe have basically led to a situation where the future existence of European peoples is at question due to demographic changes in our nations.

Autocratic states were the norm for thousands of years for a good reason, and that was the fact that they fucking worked.

>> No.55321009

>>55320984
>The rivalry of European peoples was one of the things that honed the Europeans into what we are
Bunch of idiots who started two world wars?

>> No.55321011

>>55320967
Hey man, I won't begrudge you the right to say "Finland for Finns" but those are your ancestral lands. What you advocate would be absurd and almost hilariously catastrophic in the States (and thus your criticism of democracy's existence is also not universal).

>> No.55321018

>>55320967
>he rivalry of European peoples was one of the things that honed the Europeans into what we are
Inbreds?

>> No.55321021

>>55320903
Not an argument

>> No.55321022

>>55320984
>>55321009
messed up the formatting, I was quoting him

>> No.55321025

>>55319784
> implying the chad insurrection is not preferable

>> No.55321026

>>55320984
The great war became the great war, because people autismally tried to avoid a war until it became unavoidable. A forest needs to have a forest-fire once a while, otherwise the slightest spark will set it off into an inferno that burns so hot that even the topsoil is reduced to ashes.

>> No.55321028

>>55320980
It's better in your mind, Anon.

>> No.55321034

>>55320962
There were more than five good Emperors though.

Also Rome wasn't killed by Romans, it was felled by an immigrant named Ricimer.

>> No.55321041

>>55320974
How so, nobody is saying me what to do and I have no nosy employer or coworkers.

>> No.55321044

>>55320984
>>55320967
It's also how you squandered every single one of your empires.

>> No.55321046

>>55321026
So we need periodic wars? Is the utopia Dogdays?

>> No.55321049

>>55321021

>> No.55321052

>>55321046
>So we need periodic wars?
Whether they're needed or not we have them.

>> No.55321055

>>55321026
I was actually about to make this point, thanks anon.

>> No.55321059

>>55320998
>the modern world
>hurr durr technology and scientific knowledge are overrated
And this is why the ethno-autist will always lose. They're fatally regressive.

>> No.55321062

>>55320529
>I cannot accept a system
Doesn't matter if you accept it or not. Oligarchy happens regardless of your concerns, and positions of power will never be beholden to the people they rule, that's why its a position of power. Its cute you think its the fault of liberal humanism though. Like, that shit dumb too, but it was always a sales pitch.

>> No.55321076

>>55321021
I guess if you're too stupid to see it, maybe there isn't.

>> No.55321081

>>55320944
You see anon the problem isn't that they should be allowed to choose to eat their selves into an early grave. The problem is that when they realize what's happening someone is there to help them and keep them and others from learning the lesson. The real sin is in giving them aid when they need to help their selves
So yes, they do deserve to eat their selves to death so they can teach others not to.

>> No.55321096

>>55321034
>in a row

>> No.55321099

>>55321021

>> No.55321110

>>55321096
No I know, but my point is that title is misleading.

>> No.55321112

>this thread

>> No.55321115

>>55321011
USA is doomed to fracturing and balkanization no matter what you guys do.
Your collapse is only a matter of time, as your nation no longer has any solid foundation upon which it rests, besides laws. You have no ethnic unity, no cultural unity, no real shared history, your political parties are basically waging cold war against one another, and the various states have utterly differing interests. Your nation is basically kept together by the fact that thus far, the life of the average american is comfy enough that they won't bother getting to the streets. Just wait for an economic collapse, and your nation will fall apart because there is nothing there to keep it together anymore.

The end of the American century is coming and I am quite happy for it, desu. Not that I have any ill will towards you murricans, you are generally speaking good people from what I know, I simply find your government and the effects your culture has had on the world, utterly disastrous and an existential threat to my people.

What you do when the collapse comes, is up to you, but I would strongly suggest that you don't try democracy anymore, for it is one of the main causes for your decline.

>> No.55321120

>>55321076
>Shit, he called me out for not presenting any points
>Better double down on my non-existent argument and fling ad hominems, that always works

>> No.55321122

>>55318607
>should of
>should of
Its should've as in should have. You non-autist. The fuck is should of?

>> No.55321126

>>55321041
You're probably going to come to a bad and pathetic end is all.
>thinks work with mutually respectful adults is like that

>> No.55321134

>>55321115
People have been saying this since fucking 1980

>> No.55321140

>>55321062
This. It's also the reason ethnonationalists are hopelessly retarded; sectarian violence is automatically generated no matter the unifying traits shared by a population.

>> No.55321151

>>55321120
He literally did make an argument, 2 of them. Which you still have yet to address.

>> No.55321154

>>55320998
>And what are the accomplishments of democracies?

pretty much everything cool about the modern world. The internet, going to the moon, driverless cars, rock and roll, the ability to post shitty memes while on the fucking toilet.

Did you even think before you asked such a question?

>> No.55321155

>>55321134
And it's only gotten worse since 1980. I think that's a point for those guys, no?

>> No.55321156

>>55321046
War is part of human nature. Obviously, we should not actively seek them, but neither should we avoid them to the point where avoiding war becomes the main focus of our ambitions. Because sometimes, the differences between two parties are too great to be bridged via diplomacy and speeches, in such times, we are left with violence, and the longer we let that tension build up, the greater the conflict will be.

>> No.55321170

>>55321115
Yeah maybe, but the average American also recognizes the Union must survive if we want domestic peace (which everybody but retarded teenages or socia rejects do) so our collective will is quite powerfully turned against balkanization.

>> No.55321183

>>55321044
Actually Brits squandered their empire because they chose to fight for the cause of the international financiers in WW2.
They could have allied with Hitler and retained all their colonies. Hitler actively sought out an alliance with Britain but British leaders rejected him time and time again because Brits thought that Germany should not be allowed to become a major power even if it was an Ally of Britain.

>> No.55321184

>>55321120
Lol there's two right there, chump. They're in special green text and everything. Are you *really* saying you don't follow my points?

>> No.55321185

>>55321155
Then America is ending really slowly.

>> No.55321193

>>55319810
>flames a guy for being bad
>loses to a guy playing cancels
anon perhaps you are just as bad as him

>> No.55321194

>>55321134
>a matter of time

Anon clearly got the better of you, since over an infinite span of time the US will eventually collapse.

Just accept the intellectual checkm8

>> No.55321204

>>55321156
If men will not be ruled by the Law, they will be ruled by the Sword.

>> No.55321207

>>55321059
At what point did I reject modern technology?
I reject modern CULTURE, because it is detrimental to my people's existence. I have nothing against technology. You marrying modern culture and technology together is intellectually dishonest as fuck.

>> No.55321215

>> No.55321216

>>55321140
Shit, your argument has made me a changed man. I guess we better get rid of borders and laws and shit.

>> No.55321221

>> No.55321222

>>55321156
>human nature

>> No.55321236

>>55321183
And? They prioritized one group of nonBrits over another group of nonBrits for the desired preservation of British supremacy?
Also, it's been recognized for centuries that the greatest threat to British autonomy is a single state occupying French and German territories so they were hardly shooting blind.

>> No.55321237

Have you mastered Volkisch energy /tg/?

>> No.55321254

>>55321222
>that pic
Not him but whoops looks like you're retarded

>> No.55321256

>>55321207
You pretending modern technology is possible without modern culture is intellectually untenable as fuck.
>what are the Dark Ages

>> No.55321264

>>55321236
>the greatest threat to British autonomy is a single state occupying French and German territories

Accept EU overlords british scum, Merkel is your new Queen

>> No.55321265

>>55321062
Liberal humanism at the very root of the cancer that is killing western civilization. The notion that we humans are all equal is WRONG. We are not fucking equals, it is fucking impossible for us to be equals because we are DIFFERENT. The only way you can think we humans are equal is is you believe in some immortal soul or inherent human value that is all the same to each human, because in the real, material world, we are not equals, that is a blatant fact.
Belief in equality is the same as belief in god.

And even in an oligarchy, the oligarch will bear responsible if he fucks up, because that will see his rivals eat him alive, thus it is already a better system than parliamentary democracy, where politicans who fuck up bear zero responsibility other than perhaps not being elected again.

>> No.55321275

>>55319843

I work with severely autistic people, some not even capable of stringing sentences together on the internet, that all have jobs and contribute more to society than your lazy fuckin' ass.

>> No.55321282

>>55321126
>thinks work with mutually respectful adults is like that
You're probably just attractive, people try to control your sex life otherwise, I've making some research on the web about it.

>> No.55321283

>>55321216
I didn't say that. Not everyone you disagrees with the aut-right is liberal.

>> No.55321296

This thread started off terrible and somehow managed to get worse.

>> No.55321303

>>55320169
Oh boy, the amount of virgins in college are fucking staggering. It really is not that weird to be a virgin no matter how often tv tells you otherwise

>> No.55321315

>on why side we have /pol/ wanting fucking authoritarianism
>on the other we have actual Commies
>being a centrist has somehow become a sin
The USSR and America should have nuked us all

>> No.55321317

>>55321265
The core point of liberal humanism isn't that all men are created equal (that's basic politicking); it's that authorities evaluating human worth are inevitably flawed to the point of being better off abandoned.
If you disagree, just remember what the Jews think of goyim.

>> No.55321318

>>55318268
>Thats 0% gay because its got no girls.

>> No.55321324

>>55320529
>>55320704
Cringe

>> No.55321329

>>55321140
>sectarian violence is automatically generated no matter the unifying traits shared by a population.
Yes and? You act like violence is automatically a bad thing.
Besides, if the ethnonations were actually formed around ethnic lines, violence would be pretty minimal.

If Finland went full Ethnonationalism, the only form of sectarian violence we would face would come from us expelling the non-Finns out from here like somalis etc that came here less than 40 years ago, and I am completely fucking fine with that violence, though, as my morals are essentially tribalistic, me being fine with non-Finns being removed is a given. Univeralist morals are for weaklings.

>> No.55321331

>>55318145
Is it weird that I'm closer to chad rather than the virgin?

>> No.55321335

>>55321282
Aw, thanks anon.

>> No.55321357

>>55321154
>muh technological achievements are a result of political systems.
Oh fuck off you intellectually dishonest faggot. What is your basis for the claim that those technological developments would not be possible in an authoritarian system for example?

>> No.55321360

>> No.55321364

>>55321329
>citation seriously fucking needed
Moral relativism is for cowards and opportunists.

>> No.55321368

>>55321329
>You act like violence is automatically a bad thing
Am I on fucking wonderland? was there something in the water I didn't drink?

>> No.55321370

>>55321315
>dood nihilism lmao XD why you gotta be so serious

>> No.55321384

>>55321357
Actual lived history. The best you can offer is a hypoethical whereas we have the real causal chains to cite.

>> No.55321403

>>55321370
What?

>> No.55321438

>>55321170
Perhaps, but I simply find it hard to see how you could possible be able to maintain the union given that everything it was built around has basically crumbled away barring your precious constitution, and even it is being attacked by certain factions within your nation.

What is there left of your union, exactly?

>>55321222
Nice adhom.

>>55321236
Well, that time it seemed to be a wrong choice, given that the Brits failed to preserve Brittish supremacy. Hitler had no desire to wage war against Brits.

>>55321256
>You pretending modern technology is possible without modern culture is intellectually untenable as fuck.
Based on what? Why is scientific method and technological development dependent on our modern, decadent culture?

>what are the Dark Ages
A time when the notion of scientific method did not yet exist.
Also the idea that the Dark Ages were an age of total stagnation and regression is largely a myth. Obviously the collapse of Roman Empire set people back a little, but it's not like that time was completely backwards.

>> No.55321443

>>55321185
Well, firstly, the time from 1980 to 2017 is not that long of a time. 37 years isn't all that long compared to the US's 247 year existence.

But it does tell us something. Firstly, based on comparative analysis, we can find that great empires last somewhere around 250 years, give or take a few decades. Many authors from Spengler and beyond have pointed this statistic out in their works.

The only exception you might make is that of Rome, but you can clearly divide it into two distinct periods: Republican Rome and Imperial Rome- both of which lasted around that average of 250 years.

We already see the seeds of political and racial division in the US, and this has been violently apparent since even the 1960s. Once white Americans are no longer the majority, you fill find that the US will be on the fast track to Balkanization. The idea that the whites must be punished for their sins against the minorities of the US- real or imagined- won't just go away. In fact, when whites are out-voted in everyway, that will only give opportunity to that way of thinking. And, we've already seen white Americans organize politically themselves.

The result is obvious: Balkanization in the span a generation. Screen cap this. Save it away. Then show it to your grandkids, and tell them about that time anon on /tg/ predicted the future.

>> No.55321481

>>55320236
I think you might find this to be helpful when thinking about the usefulness of democratic systems versus autocratic ones.

>> No.55321485

>>55321438
Nothing is crumbling. America is just dramatic and bipolar.
Also, I'd argue the British empire was untenable no matter what.
Also also, to answer your scientific method question, because having no official barriers of entry into the scientific community provides a larger workforce with which to process its questions.

>> No.55321506

>>55321481
And out of academic fairness here is a follow-up paper by their colleagues saying that the previous paper is wrong.

>> No.55321521

>>55321384

In tens of thousands of years of empires and monarchies they never happened and in ~250 years of democracy they did

>> No.55321528

>>55321443
I'm against ethnonationalism and I think you're probably right. The folly of man feels bad, man.

>> No.55321540

>>55321317
>it's that authorities evaluating human worth are inevitably flawed to the point of being better off abandoned.
Just because something can be flawed doesn't mean that we are better off with nothing.
Liberal humanism inevitably leads to egalitarianism which is demonstrably an utterly moronic concept.

>If you disagree, just remember what the Jews think of goyim.
Jews are ethnocentric, yes. So am I. I only care about my fellow Finns. I do not begrudge the jews for thinking on the same lines as I do.

>>55321364
I am not a moral relativist. I view my morals as absolute and the morals of others as irrelevant. I am fanatically in favor of everything I see as beneficial to my people, and against everything that I see as harmful. In my moral framework, the ultimate good is the preservation and wellbeing of my family and people. That stems from the realization, that the largest group of people that I'd be ever willing to sacrifice my own life for, is my fellow Finns. I'd never sacrifice anything for non-Finns.

>>55321368
If violence serves the interests of Finnish people and our continued existence, then it is perfectly ok in my book.

>> No.55321542

>>55321521
I take it that's in support of my post?

>> No.55321544

Someone do 5e virgin vs pathfinder chad please.

>> No.55321560

>>55321542

>>55321521 was meant to meant to reply to >>55321357

>> No.55321568

>>55321540
Have you posted something like this in other threads, I feel like I have read similar posts before?

>> No.55321574

>>55321544
>pathfinder chad
Hahahaha

>> No.55321582

>>55321540
I'm tired of talking to you so this is hardly a complete response but
>why is something better than nothing when the something will always make the wrong choice but nothing allows chaos to do it's dirty work
>I meant how the Jews exploit goyim
>universal moralism is false
>but I'm not a moral relativist I swear
>(to be explicit, moral relativism can refer to relativity in perspectives, not just situations)

>> No.55321593

>>55321544
>pathfinder chad

>> No.55321595

>>55321544

got it backward. 5e is the normie and chad game due to its simplicity and the fact that full casters can't be better martials than martials.

Pathfinder is the game for virgins, which is why the general is filled with catgirls and anime

>> No.55321596

>>55321574
>>55321593
>when they still don't understand the meme

>> No.55321611

>>55321384
Just because scientific method was developed around the time democracies became popular, does not mean that the two are dependent on one another. Why would an autocratic state be incapable of utilizing scientific method and developing new technology? Also, new technolgies were invented during the reign of autocratic states as well, simply without scientific method which made progress significantly slower.

You have no solid evidence that modern technology is dependent on modern culture and political system, outside of colleration, which as we all know, does not imply causation.

>> No.55321621

>>55321596
>trying to portray something like a 5e player as good
>says others don't understand the meme

>> No.55321638

>>55321611
It's long been argued that the same objective, humanist rationalism that advanced democracy also advanced the scientific method. There's mountains upon mountains of evidence. Look 'em up; I'm out.

>> No.55321642

>>55321593
Please tell me that this is some commie or gg sub trolling and that our shitty memes didn't make it across the Pacific.

>> No.55321644

>>55321521
Well, arguably, our technological inventions come from our state-education system which originated in Prussia-an autocratic nation, and initially spread to other autocratic nations such as Austria, France (pre-revolution), and so on. You also notice that most technological advancement in the past 200 years appeared in those countries and the countries that would also adopt this system of education. And nations like England didn't adopt Prussian Education just because they would make their kids smarter, no they adopted it because it would make their kids more disciplined and obedient to the nation.

All of our modern conveniences are built on the shoulders of autocracy, not democracy. The only argument I would make is that this authoritarian system was also tempered with a somewhat Free Market.

>> No.55321659

>>55321621
Pathfinder is considered extreme low tier. Only thing lower than that is that myfarog, cthulhu tech, and FATAL

>> No.55321695

>>55321568
I have.

>>55321582
>why is something better than nothing when the something will always make the wrong choice but nothing allows chaos to do it's dirty work
The "something" does not always make the wrong choice, and chaos does not always result in situations that are beneficial to my people.

>I meant how the Jews exploit goyim
And if we thought in ethocentric fashion, we would recognize the way jews exploit us and fight against them effectively. The main reason why jews can exploit us is because we do not recognize them as the competing tribe they are.

>universal moralism is false
Yes.

>but I'm not a moral relativist I swear
Well, I assumed that by moral relativism, you mean the notion that all morals are relative to one another. I do not buy into that concept, because to me, only my morals matter at all. I don't give any consideration to the morals of others, so I don't see how I can be a relativist about this subject.

>>55321638
I reject that notion completely, simply because the the founding idea of democracy, which is the notion that all humans are equal, is not rational at all. There is no rational basis to the claim of universal equality among mankind. Rationalism could have full well advanced both democracy and scientific method, but the founding principles of the two are wholly different. Democracy rests on the faith like assertion that all men are equal which cannot be supported by any amount of evidence or rational logic.

>> No.55321699

>>55321265
Sure, its wrong, but it sells and people bought it. Before that people bought that the hierarchy was ordained by God. The transposition of rightous authroity beyond your capacities is a consistent human belief, the paint changes though. Your belief in ethnonationist humanism is just as much of a sales pitch. You're doing the same thing. Like, go for it, if you're white you're probably better of being a white supremacist, you lose very little. But its still going to be oligarchy, and you're imminently sacrificial to it while receiving the fewest of the benefits. I'm not trying to talk you out of it, go for it, join the sons of oden. Hope you die, you hope I die, that's cool. But pretending you're doing something innately glorious for the human race is just as insipid as everything you claim to stand against.

>> No.55321731

>>55321021

>> No.55321734

>>55321699
I am not a white supremacist. I am a Finnish ethnonationalist. I don't think that my people are inherently superior to any other group of people. I however, hold my people as SUBJECTIVELY most valuable people TO ME on this earth, and thus I will do my utmost to ensure the continued existence and well-being of my people.

>> No.55321736

>>55321695
>doesn't know the difference between equality and equality under the law

>> No.55321748

>>55321736
I understand them full well, and one later stems from the former notion.

I reject both those notions.
A non-Finns should not be equal under the law with a Finn in Finland. This is the homeland of Finns, why should a foreigner be treated as equal with our own kinsmen?

>> No.55321789

>>55321734
Cool, still humanism, thus still same shit. You're drawing essential characteristics from subject positions rather than building up from contextual relation. It'll probably work out fine for you. A decade or so of something to do/economic centralization once you're nationalizing assets from non-fins, maybe a war. Keeps the young angry men employed.

>> No.55321794

>>55321695
>founding idea of democracy, which is the notion that all humans are equal,
This most certainly is not the case, at least not so far as I know in political economy, public choice economics and economic history (the last being my area of research). There have been many examples in the past of demos systems of government that do not have universal suffrage, or extension of the franchise. Democracy is *not* about treating everyone equally as much as it is about giving the right people just enough say that they would rather engage with the system than take a chance on violence and try to dominate everyone else.

>> No.55321842

>>55319205
>right to left
Garbage

>> No.55321866

>>55321789
I have no need or desire for expansionist wars. Finland has plenty of uninhabited clay, thus we have plenty of room to grow. My main policies would simply focus on encouraging our people to reproduce and spread out further into our lands. As we number only 5 million, we are in a precarious position. We need more Finns.

> once you're nationalizing assets from non-fins,
As if non-finns even had any major assets here. The only things like that are of any real significance are Mining firms and they aren't really a problem. The somalis, arabs etc non-Finns have no fucking assets, they just leech off from our welfare system and commit crimes. Their removal would be solely to just ridding our nation of parasites.

>>55321794
I should have specified democracy with an universal suffrage, like we have in the modern west.

>> No.55321867

>>55321734
>>55321748
oh look it's this faggot again
nationalism is cancer

>> No.55321873

>>55321867
Not an argument bucko.

>> No.55321888

>>55320213
>mouse not even connected

YES/10

>> No.55321903

>>55321748
Are you retarded, if they were equal under law literally anyone would be able to walk into Finland and buy land and get a job and otherwise act as if they had citizenship with no questions asked.

>> No.55321950

>>55321903
>Are you retarded
Are you?

>if they were equal under law literally anyone would be able to walk into Finland and buy land and get a job and otherwise act as if they had citizenship with no questions asked.
No they wouldn't, if the right to do any of that shit, dependent on being citizen of the land. I think that-non Finns, as in, people who are not ethnic-Finns, should not have Finnish citizenship in the first place outside of very special circumstances.

If I had dictatorial powers, I'd strip every somali, afgan, etc immigrant and their descendants of citizenship. They are not Finns, thus they do not belong here.

>> No.55321965

>>55321443
My only comment on this is when you decide to start counting 250 from matters and is debatable. Louisiana Purchase, maybe?

>> No.55321967

>>55321866
Doesn't matter if you don't have a need or desire for wars, if you make a bunch of angry young men, you have to have a war with them. What your nationalism does isn't up to you, that's the deal. Its up to the oligarchy that you're not going to be a part of, and has hooked you. It'll take different forms due to regional specifics, its actually worse for you if the people you're persecuting don't have much, you won't get much economic boost from it. Might be able to bootstrap yourselfs into export based secondary resource economy which still makes you beholden to extranational forces.

It'll work out better for you than dark people where you live, but stats wise, you're going to still be the working class poor hopped up on nationalism while the oligarchs sip wine. Same deal as liberal humanism.

>> No.55322031

What the fuck has happened to /tg/. You shitflinging monkeys need to stop fucking fighting and post the fucking meme

>> No.55322055

>>55322031

>fairly mediocre thread turns into a bizarre political discussion

We're being /tg/

>> No.55322064

>>55321866
>democracy with an universal suffrage, like we have in the modern west
Okay, but that's a modern philosophical spin, and is not itself indicative of anything wrong with democracy. Unless we think that an extension of the franchise part of some teleology that inevitably leads to universal suffrage. The authors of the book I posted don't believe that there is necessarily some teleology, but I'm not convinced. Any group sufficiently short-sighted will want to enlarge their base by extending the franchise to excluded group, and that would lead to universal suffrage anyway.

>>55321967
But how do we square that with the research demonstrating how much more effective the state is when the population is homogenous (pic related). How to maintain homogeneity of preferences without cultivating violent responses towards the "other." The only place in the world that I can think of doing this semi-successfully is Japan/Korea, but they get their militaries through the US so the situation is a big unique.

>> No.55322079

>>55321967
What makes you think that I am poor, or part of the working class? And why do you speak like being either is somehow a bad thing?

The fact that you think that war is necessary for an authoritarian, nationalist ethnostate speaks of your delusions more than anything else. There is no need for war when we have such abundant uninhabited territory here in Finland as well. The attention of the angry young men can be directed towards founding families, reproducing, utilizing the land and working in our industries. Finland is not Germany, with massive surplus population and a desperate need for more land. Finland has 5 million people, most of whom are past middle age. There is surplus of land, not people.

Only when our population is doubled or tripped in size, can we start considering expansive wars. At that point in time, Sweden will probably be utterly consumed in the fires of multiculturalism and will be ripe for reconquesta.

>> No.55322107

>> No.55322158

>>55321950
> if the right to do any of that shit, dependent on being citizen of the land

It almost certainly already does. And good luck revoking full citizenships, maybe you should have thought of that before handing them out.

>> No.55322174

>>55322064
>Okay, but that's a modern philosophical spin,
Universal suffrage is synonymous with democracy in this day and age. Democracy can work on certain scale, I don't deny that. What I oppose is specifically parliamentary democracy with universal suffrage.
Even my rough concept of tribal fascism/authoritarianism would include democracy at the local level, like I described here>>55320704

>Unless we think that an extension of the franchise part of some teleology that inevitably leads to universal suffrage.
It is a slippery slope, and as the amount of eligible voters increases, so does the responsibility within the system decrease.
I believe that only men who have gone trough the army, and women who have married and have at least one children, should be able to vote. Those restrictions are there because I believe that they are necessary in order to keep the votes in the hands of people who have vested interest in the well-being and continuation of the people and the nation.

>> No.55322215

>>55322064
Not worried about squaring it? I'm arguing it is the case. Strong state isn't necessarily beneficial to individual units though, which is what all of us are, despite ideology. It allows for large scale activity, but the people doing the work are the most at risk of death, and after you stop doing variations on the god thing, dieing is a lot less appealing. Nationalists just substitute Nation for God, thinking they'll live forever in it.

>>55322079
Well, you either are and think you're not, or you're not, doesn't really matter to me. If you're low enough on the chain your sacrificial to your nation ideal and you seem pretty excited about that. Means you've substituted a belief in God/immortality/soul for a belief in Nation.

Finnland does have a good spot in low population to mass/resources internally, lets you spread out before shit gets too crowded, but still leaves you vulnerable and dependent on resource extraction and exports, which undercuts your ethnonationism ideals. Or other people coming for your shit. So good point, you might not have to go looking for conflicts, it might come for you before then.

>> No.55322218

>>55322158
>It almost certainly already does.
It is, unfortunately however, non-Finns can gain citizenship far too easily.

> And good luck revoking full citizenships, maybe you should have thought of that before handing them out.
That's a merely matter of changing laws. And quite honestly, if I had my way, I'd see the people who allowed these non-Finn invaders to this land dead for treason against our people. The Non-Finns would just be "encouraged" to leave to their native homelands. Those who refuse to leave, can deal with the consequences of their refusal when we go full remove kebab mode.

>> No.55322234

>>55321950
>If I had dictatorial powers, I'd strip every somali, afgan, etc immigrant and their descendants of citizenship. They are not Finns, thus they do not belong here.
You would have to be careful doing that. That would create a caste of people who have no legal recourse in your system, but still exist inside of your borders. Without legal protection they wouldn't have any incentive to follow the law at all. You'd basically be manufacturing Gypsies and giving them all the incentive they need to be disruptive.

>> No.55322254

>>55322234
>but still exist inside of your borders
doesn't sound like that's the plan according to kaptain spurdo

>> No.55322334

>>55322215
>Strong state isn't necessarily beneficial to individual units though, which is what all of us are
I agree with you, that this is the correct take. But let's consider that people have the capacity for altruism and decide what best for them is helping other people. This creates a network of interconnectedness that can itself be thought of similar to a base unit. Rawls thought of families, rather than individuals, behind the veil of ignorance for example.
>Nationalists just substitute Nation for God, thinking they'll live forever in it.
This is what lead Tolstoy to be an anarchist. And I tend to agree with his position, but the usefulness of a competent state is so profound when it works to protect our property and enforce contracts that it should not be discarded until it ceases to function well.

>> No.55322352

>>55322218
>we shall purge the kebab, and all the kebab-allies

and then anyone who expressed any positive opinions about immigrants

and then those that didn't join in the purge

and then those who didn't hate kebab enough

and then those who etc.

until only the pure remain: all 10 of you

>> No.55322354

>>55322215
>Well, you either are and think you're not, or you're not, doesn't really matter to me
Then why bring it up?

> If you're low enough on the chain your sacrificial to your nation ideal and you seem pretty excited about that.
If my sacrifice is necessary for ensuring the existence of my people and a future for Finnish children, I have no qualms about that sacrifice.

> Means you've substituted a belief in God/immortality/soul for a belief in Nation.
This is correct.
I used to be a nihilistic, depressed and suicidal. I had no meaning in my existence, at least none I could articulate, and I genuinely wanted to die. What kept me from killing myself, was the fact that I knew it would hurt my family if I did it. That, and having my relatives around me who genuinely loved me and enjoyed spending time with me, made me realize that despite all of my nihilism, I still had something in my life that meant something to me, chiefly my family. From that gradual realization, I was able to pull myself together and formulate my moral foundation, which is as solid as bedrock. My family is everything to me, and ensuring that my family can have a safe and prosperous existence depends on us living in a strong ethnostate, because a people is nothing more than a group of related families. My fight for a strong and unified nation, is ultimately a fight to ensure the safety of my family.

>it might come for you before then.
Hence we need a strong military capable of defending ourselves. We already have mandatory conscription for men. We simply need more young men thus we need to reproduce more.

>>55322234
Before the total stripping of rights they would obviously be encouraged to move to their ethnic homelands. Once the stripping of rights happen, they would be rounded up and face rapid deportation.

>> No.55322389

>>55322352
>until only the pure remain: all 10 of you
That's how you ensure only the pure remain in the genepool; all dissidents are gone

>> No.55322404

>>55322352
Nice slippery slope fallacy.
Obviously, the non-Finns and the traitors that brought them here and coddled them here, would need to be purged. They are enemies of Finnish people by their own actions and self admitted goals. That doesn't mean that we'd go down a cycle of purging.
Everyone who fights for the goal of maintaining Finnish dominance of Finland and works towards ensuring the existence of our people and a future for Finnish children, is an ally and a comrade in this fight.
Once the masses become nationalized into this mentality, the battle is already won. Those who refuse this creed, will become pariahs and marked as the traitors they are.

>> No.55322505

>>55322334
Creation of interconnected social networks based on shared activity and space is fine, sate power is about organizing and distributing that, so if you're creating something not beneficial that way you're fucked. Not saying it doesn't happen, more saying we're fucked. Or more specifically, I'm fucked regardless given my interests and subject positions. Contracts get enforced against me, structures of state power that are built to do so persist on their own accord rather than withering past function.

>>55322354
Because you're probably the first category, or if you're the second its fun on the internet for me to point out your hypocrisy. You're patting yourself on the back for picking a master with a different coat of paint.

I really hope you get to sacrifice yourself. That would be dope. Like, go find something glorious to sacrifice yourself to as soon as possible.

>> No.55322513

>>55322505
So you have no arguments and resort to attacking my character.

>> No.55322520

>>55322505
>sate power
state power, fucking overcaffinated fingers

>> No.55322550

>>55322505
>Contracts get enforced against me, structures of state power that are built to do so persist on their own accord rather than withering past function.
Maintenance of the state is not costless, someone is paying for it probably with your money

>> No.55322551

>>55322513
We're not having an argument. You're excited about your hypocrisy, I think its funny. We're on the internet, I'm not trying to convince you to stop being an ethnonationalist, that sure isn't going to happen, and from your spot isn't even that bad a deal. Your smug self satisfaction about it is the same as a Californian liberal though.

>> No.55322568

>>55322550
ikr? fucking sucks. But not in its entirety, lots of things states do I benefit from. Not going to get misty eyed about it though.

>> No.55322579

>>55322551
How exactly am I a hypocrite?
At no point did I pretend that my system would not be switching a master to another. I simply prefer a master who has to carry responsibility for his actions to our modern system where nobody carries responsibility for anything.

>> No.55322677

>>55322174
So a republic? It's like you stormniggers forgot the enlightenment even happened when you worship the state and pagan cum sucker gods.

>> No.55322681

>>55322568
>lots of things states do I benefit from
That's why I was saying earlier that it's not worth replacing the state until it's really fucked up. I'm an anarchist in principle, loyal to my nation but not my state, but here in Burgerland the state functions at a sufficient level for most of us that to remove it would cost us overwhelmingly more than to keep it. So we keep it, and get along with our lives.

>> No.55322728

>>55322677
Enlightenment was shit. The ideas stemming from it are the reason why West is in the decline.
Egalitarianism is an utterly moronic concept.

>> No.55322745

>>55322579
Yeah, you believe that your choice of master will respect you and be responsible. That's not the case, never has been, never will be. So its more a willing ignorance/faith than hypocrisy specifically. You've substituted faith in one humanism for another and think its different. Different enough to pump yourself up on the internet about sacrificing your and your children's blood to a nothing. Its pretty funny. Like, go for it, please.

>> No.55322757

>>55322728
What's wrong with egalitarianism if the state isn't using coercive force to try and "make things equal" through redistribution, "affirmative" action, etc?

>> No.55322860

>>55318211
yes

>> No.55322862

>>55322681
Oh, I'm not proposing a human liberatory societal movement. Fuck that. Don't like or care about enough humans in an abstract enough way to even contemplate that sort of thing. I'm just not white and weird enough that the benefits are lesser for me than the dominant mode, so its less 'we keep it' more 'it keeps me as best it can while I try to avoid it'. Its not like non-humanist anarchist positions have a win condition. Shit's irrevocably fucked, more like having a lose less horribly condition.

>> No.55322863

>>55322745
Your problem is that you pathologically hate hierarchies and think that they can only be founded on oppression of the ones bellow in the hierarchy when in fact, hierarchies can also be formed based on competence and merit.

I have no problem with following a man who genuinely is greater than I am and bears the responsibility of his leadership duty. In fact, I'd love to follow such an inspirational figure. Hence my utter contempt of the snively politicians who cower away from all responsibility like rats from a sinking ship. I want a system in which real statesmen and leaders lead the people, instead of these parliamentary maggots with no backbone.

>>55322757
Whats wrong with egalitarianism is the fact that it rests on the fundamentally wrong assumption that human beings are, or that they even should be, equal to one another. We are not, and have never been equal to each other, and we never should be equal to one another, because total equality would mean utter fucking stagnation of mankind.

>> No.55322927

>>55322863
I don't buy the equality somehow means stagnation. What is even stagnation? No innovations? Because people will always face challenges and try to work around them.

>> No.55322945

>>55322863
The whole point of egalitarianism is because people aren't equal. If you want to maximize the society's productivity it's against your best interest to favor lineage over merit. Why would you think people should be favored by background instead of competence?

>> No.55323001

>>55322927
True egalitarianism means that people would not be allowed to differ from one another at all, because differences are a form of inequality. The egalitarian dream is of a mass of uniform grey humanity, where no-one is exceptional in any way or form. And it is trough exceptional people, innovation has occurred time and time again throughout our history.

>>55322945
>The whole point of egalitarianism is because people aren't equal.
Wrong.
From wikipedia:

>Egalitarian doctrines maintain that all humans are equal in fundamental worth or social status, according to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.[4]

>> No.55323052

>>55322863
Hierarchy is fucking useful to do things. For a limited period of time, small unit engagements and focused tasks. After that they expand, bloat and control enough to sustain the hierarchy while its initial goal is gone, support empire building, and bureaucracy. Nation states have been doing this for a long time, and don't garner themselves to having anything but snively politicians. Seems like you're really interested in an idea of Greatness to be a part of, which I can understand, but don't care for. You're even in a good spot geographically to go off into the woods and make a small, interconnected network of likeminded humans who organize as needed and then disperse, but you're set on Nationalism. You want a system with real statesmen and leaders, when you're going to get run around by propaganda. For what its worth, if it worked, I'd be all for it. You've a faith in Idealism and a focus on Greatman theory. A faith strong enough that you'd be killed for someone else how despises your weakness. We can both be pathological.

>> No.55323117

>>55323001
>equal in fundamental worth or social status
So all men are equal in the eyes of God the law. What exactly is wrong with that? The West was founded on the idea of equal opportunity.

>> No.55323139

>>55323001
>True egalitarianism means that people would not be allowed to differ from one another at all
Really depends on if their focus is equality of initial position or of outcome. There's a lot of contemporary confusion and conflict between the two and how to implement them in western democratic societies, its one of the inherent tensions that's causing strong polarization. They don't even really have equality of initial position, but its a strong enough part of their national mythology that they fight about it.

>> No.55323155

>>55323001
Your wiki quote goes against your own assertion of egalitarianism. Equality in fundamental worth and social status is not the same as the conformity grey goo scenario you are talking about. Innovation is not meant to be dismissed it is not used to elevate you. Einstein does not earn a second vote nor is the grey masses denied a vote because Einstein is so good.

You are injecting a lot of bias into an unrelated topic.

>> No.55323203

>>55323117
>What exactly is wrong with that?
Implementation is necessarily uneven because actual being isn't a pure state and must vary according to circumstance. State scale has to function at an abstraction that annihilates/ignores differences and reduces them capital flow. Works out okay for those who are positioned to manipulate and benefit from capital flow though.

>> No.55323262

>>55323052
>Hierarchy is fucking useful to do things.
Hierarchy is necessary for maintaining human society.

> For a limited period of time, small unit engagements and focused tasks.
The problem is that ensuring the continuation of my people is not a task taken upon during a limited period of time. It is a constant struggle from which there is no escape.

>After that they expand, bloat and control enough to sustain the hierarchy while its initial goal is gone, support empire building, and bureaucracy.
This is true. Hence, the system should be set up so, that the different aspects of the hierarchy keep competing against each other and bloated, and unnecessary aspects die off if they cannot provide a necessary function to the overall system. A survival of the fittest of the bureaucratic mechanisms, if you will. The constant goal of the state should be to keep the bureaucracy as minimal as possible.

> and don't garner themselves to having anything but snively politicians
This only occurred when parliamentary democracy began to leer it's nasty head in Western countries.

>Seems like you're really interested in an idea of Greatness
History's greatest achievements have been achieved by great men who either single handedly produced greatness by themselves, or inspired their kinsmen to partake in great deeds.

> go off into the woods and make a small, interconnected network of likeminded humans who organize as needed and then disperse
This is not possible under the current order within my nation, and not necessarily even ideal if it were. To restore our state to it's actual purpose, which is to work fanatically, and exclusively towards the interests of the Finnish folk, it needs to be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up.

>You want a system with real statesmen and leaders, when you're going to get run around by propaganda.
Propaganda is necessary for maintenance of the cohesive mental and cultural unity of the nation.

>> No.55323345

>>55323203
Is english your second language? I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by
>State scale has to function at an abstraction that annihilates/ignores differences and reduces them capital flow
Who does 'them' refer to?

Furthermore why exactly are you okay with the idea of people getting favorable treatment by the state for things they have no control over? It's a recipe for pic related

>> No.55323386

>>55323117
>So all men are equal in the eyes of God the law.
The problem is the justification for this claim.
Why should all men be equal under the law, especially if the two men are utterly unequal when compared to one another?

And what is the purpose of the law? To deliver "justice" or to serve the interests of the people? If the law does not serve the interests of the people, is it not then unjust in itself?

>The West was founded on the idea of equal opportunity.
Maybe USA. Equal opportunity is a shit tier idea for it places foreigners and members of my people on the same pedestal, and acts as if they are equal in worth. I don't want non-Finns to have equal opportunity in Finland. Finland is my people's homeland, and non-Finns have no place here.

>>55323139
Traditionally, the right in the west supports equality of opportunity, while left supports equality of outcome.
Personally, I reject both notions, as to me, the tribal interests of my people is the highest arbiter of good and bad.

>>55323155
It leads to the same shit, because it drags down truly great men to the level of utterly mediocre and worthless men. Why should the vote of a moron and a fool be of equal value with that of a wise and educated man?
Why should the fool be allowed to vote at all? What does he know of societal matters? Why should the alien inhabiting my native lands, be allowed to vote on our matters? No, egalitarianism is fucking shit. I reject it, because it is bullshit universalism that disregards my tribal interests.

>> No.55323392

>>55323262
Yeah, you're hooked bad.

Don't give a shit about human society as a whole. It'll do what it does. You don't have a people, a people has you. Bureaucratic bloat, nepotism and croneying is not even a little bit limited to democratic states, happens in dictatorships, theocracies, aristocracies, etc. The creation of a functioning internal check against it is inherently doomed due to its dependence on at the final point (due to the necessity of hierarchy) having power. You depend on humans to be noble and just. Sometimes they can be, but if you set up systems to engineer these circumstances on scale over time, they are just as susceptible to unjust humans as everything else. Its the suckers gambit, which ironically, nationalists are usually a fan of but in this case it actually undermines your position and exposes it as desire, faith and idealism rather than actual material outcome.

You want it to work. I get that. You say the prayers. Its great. I can only hope you get to die for it sooner.

>> No.55323438

>>55323392
Yes I am an idealist, no fucking shit. I believe in ideals higher than myself and reject materialism.
The system needs to be set up so, that corruption when spotted, will be ruthlessly purged and that only those who are idealists at heart, and willing to fucking die for their people, would ever dare to get anywhere close to the helm of power, because it should be also a sword hanging above their heads suspended only by a tiny thin thread.

Democracy is the polar opposite of such a system, as in our system, nobody bears any responsibility for anything.

>> No.55323439

>>55323345
The 'them' here refers to necessary differences of being, which are given value in state infrastructure.

I'm not okay with it in all cases, I just don't think its a thing that can be prevented. Doesn't matter if I'm okay with it or not. But when it benefits someone I can understand them for using that to their advantage, if not agree with it. There is no level playing field for humans, so might as well make use of what is available.

>> No.55323497

>>55323438
Yeah, you claim to reject materialism, but are still necessarily material, as well any system constructed having the same constraints. You're trying to implement a Pure idea with mixed components. There is no unified human will. The ability to ruthlessly purge requires corruption to function. The helm of power will assert. You're trading one responsibility to nothing for another. You're not going to get the Urstate, but you do get to die for the idea of one. Get to it!

>> No.55323532

>>55323497
Better to die for higher ideals than to live for nothing at all.
I tried the later option and it made me want to kill myself.
Now I have found a calling in freeing my people and restoring our national consciousness. That is my purpose in this earth and that is what I will fight for.

>> No.55323556

>>55323532
So you gonna hurry up and die for it or what?

>> No.55323607

>>55323556
If necessary, yes, but right now, there is no need.
I can do so much more good for my people by first getting the fight started proper. The path has already been opened by older political movements that have nationalistic views, but what is to come will leave those old movements in shadow.
I desire nothing less than the total nationalization of Finnish people and our awakening to ethnonationalism.

>> No.55323610

>>55323386
>Why should all men be equal under the law, especially if the two men are utterly unequal when compared to one another?
So if two men kill their wives, why should one get a lighter sentence? Who determines who is more deserving of punishment? Seems like a system ripe for corruption, where groups who suck the government's dick can do whatever they want because it's "for the good of the people".

>I don't want non-Finns to have equal opportunity in Finland.
Why not exactly? If a foreigner can move to Finland, speak Finnish, assimilate to Finnish customs, why shouldn't he be given a fair shake?

The problem we see with the West is that the governments are now using the threat of violence to FORCE companies to hire foreigners despite them being unqualified and culturally unassimilated.

>>55323439
>I just don't think its a thing that can be prevented
Why not exactly? The West's dream of limited government was made specifically because state power always gets hijacked. If the state has limited power, it's a less dangerous tool to be taken advantage of.


The problem I have with totalitarians is that they seem to think that they can create a perfect state, and that anyone against them must be purged.

This is fundamentally flawed because even if you could create a perfect state, it won't be perfect for long because the world is always changing, and anyone advocating for the alteration of the state
to meet the changing conditions would be branded as an enemy.

You're basically plotting one course and saying anyone who wants to alter it must be silenced. And if the course just happens to lead into jagged rocks, well then "It wasn't REAL [totalitarian ideology]!"

>> No.55323672

>>55323610
>Seems like a system ripe for corruption, where groups who suck the government's dick can do whatever they want because it's "for the good of the people".
You do have a point there.
Equality under the law is reasonable, but the problem is that it usually doesn't just stay there. The left demands more and more equality because equalization of all differences is their main goal.

>Why not exactly? If a foreigner can move to Finland, speak Finnish, assimilate to Finnish customs, why shouldn't he be given a fair shake?
At that point of assimilation, he would essentially become a Finn, if he is of racially European stock, so the point is moot.
The problem is that certain immigrants, can never become Finns. A somali will never become properly assimilated, because his race prevents him from ever being considered a true Finn.

>> No.55323695

>>55323607
glhf

>>55323610
>why not
Humans are material of specifically different qualities and characteristics. State power as it is mixed with capital in western democratic nations requires an abstraction of being to an ideal form, and is still dependent on unideal humans to implement policy. Hands off doesn't reduce inequality either, and still requires controls via humans who are going to use their powers unequally.

I'm not interested in creating a perfect state. That's the finnish guy's deal. I'm not plotting any course, that's not up to me. Do what you can, with what you can, try not to die. Its not good.

>> No.55323736

>>55323438
>Yes I am an idealist
Nah, son, you're just stupid.

>> No.55323753

>>55323736
Not an argument

>> No.55323781

How the shit did we not get deleted for off-topic and /pol/?

>> No.55323804

Durr Meme Thread -> Autism Sperg -> /pol/itical shitposting

What a thread

>> No.55323849

>>55323781
Not enough whiny bastards reporting the thread for wrongthink

>> No.55323901

>>55323695
Why exactly is inequality a bad thing? The problem arises the use of violence is used to maintain inequality, or when lesser groups use violence to try and shift the inequality in their favor. If people in a peaceful society are left to their own devices the inequality, for the most part, will skew towards the people with the most brains and greatest work ethic (which is what you want to happen). We can see this in the West, where the best predictors of lifetime wealth and accomplishment are IQ and conscientiousness.

The system is falling apart because the state is using violence to redistribute wealth to those already at the top, and to those at the bottom to buy votes.

>> No.55323902

>>55323849
We don't report idiocy. We just pity on it or take the b8

>> No.55323911

>>55323610
>So if two men kill their wives, why should one get a lighter sentence?

The richer one should get lighter sense because his contribution is greater.

>> No.55323917

> Hey my chad thread blew up
> oh what the fuck
> 390 posts
> 70 images
> like 10 chads
> delet this

>> No.55324000

>>55323911
You laugh but there are probably some retards who actually think like this.

>> No.55324044

>>55323901
I'm not saying it is? Especially not in all cases. I'm not making universalized ethical statements. Not sure you're picking up what I'm getting at. I'm saying structures of power do not prevent inequality as desired. You can't maintain governance without a monopoly on force and violence. This centralization leads to abuse and inequality, a lack of centralization will also do so, distributed differently. People who benefit from the inequality will try to maintain it more often than not, people who are in worse positions will try to find ways to take advantage. That's how humans do.

It seemed like before you're making an argument for what benefits you specifically is universalizable, but I'm not sure what you're getting at.

>> No.55324230

>>55318145
The last map I made for a friend I made in the chad fashion and then he posted it to facebook and got a bunch of likes and compliments and honestly it was a nice overall positive experience.

>> No.55324301

>>55323917
Thats what you get for starting a tread and leaving it to rot

>> No.55324384

>> No.55324385

>>55323917
Here's a fresh one just for you

>> No.55324397

>>55319784
That's exactly why Chad is superior though. He's legendary and ideal precisely because he transcends the curtain of the mundane and is so much larger than life.

>> No.55324579

>>55324044
I don't really understand your position either.

What I'm trying to say is that for an educated and stable populace the government that governs best governs least because centralization leads to abuse, and the use of violence should be minimized.

>> No.55324661

>>55324579
Oh okay. Yeah, I'm saying I don't care about that as much. Doesn't work in practice enough for me to say its worth keeping in and of itself and isn't applicable on enough scale to justify the exploitation it claims to prevent. The people who use violence will always control and overturn those who can't. It would be great if a stable and educated populace was a thing that maintained itself, but its not. So I'm not going to be excited about it. I'll get what I can from it though.

>> No.55324762

>>55324661
>It would be great if a stable and educated populace was a thing that maintained itself, but its not
Europe and Asia would like a word. I still don't understand what you think other than
>lmao humans suck man watch out for yourself
I mean if that's all that you think that's fine.

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