/tg/ - Traditional Games

>start building Tasigur
>get annoyed that Prophet is banned
This sucks!

good wurmo

>>55310984
>Lure/Nemesis Mask

Natural Fucking Order

>>55310975
nigga the fuck am I supposed to do with my foils and beautiful promo?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/09-09-17-sIz-deck-paste/

any control boys wanna help me make cuts?

>>55310975
Seedborn muse should be good enough, no?

>>55311047
Oh I'm running that, but getting Flash on all my creatures for just a blue splash seems pretty damn good.

unstable lands make me cum

>>55310952
I may be stupid but I don't understand what to do with this card.
Just pay like 4 life to get 4 cards on my end step? in EDH my life is a commodity but I don't feel good paying life for draws.

>>55311136
>not gaining hundreds of life each turn

>>55311136
No, pay 20 life, draw 20 cards, sculpt your hand to guarantee a win next turn. Would you feel better with this?

>>55311136
Drawing cards is the most powerful effect in a card game, and 1 life for 1 card is a very favorable trade off.

>>55311166
that one is too expensive for Zur to fetch

I just finished a Norin deck that's been on my back burner for years, so now I'm having deck building withdrawals. There's a bunch of decks I'm working on that are in very early development, which one should I focus on next?

Nin Robo-Wizards
Gonti My Deck is Your Deck
Saffi Martyrdom
Rakdos Everybody Loses
Yasova My Boardstate is your Boardstate

>>55311235
Y A S O V A
Stealing someone's commander and flickering it is the top tier stuff.

>>55311245
Not that guy, but wouldn't the commander leaving the battlefield trigger your opponent just sending it to the command zone?

>>55311194
It's also banned in commander

>>55310952
You already posted it OP, i also run this in all my blak decks, why should i have to deal with their stuff when he plays it?

>>55311309
Yup. So they lose their commander. Great for indestructible creatures. Arcane Lighthouse for the rest.

>>55310990
>tfw traded Norn away for a foiled Slagwurn during the NPH prerelease
Still regret it to this day.

>>55311343
>regret getting a foil copy of the best creature in magic for combat

>>55310952
>Thread Question: What old cards still find use in your decks?

How old? Pre-2000s cards?

>Marath
Battlefield Forge, Brushland, Karplusan Forest, Plateau, Savannah, Strip Mine, Taiga, Wasteland, Academy Rector, Birds of Paradise, Sylvan Library, Enlightened Tutor, Worldly Tutor, Wrath of God, Ashnod's Altar, Sol Ring

>Sidisi
Demonic Tutor, Yawgmoth's Will, Maze of Ith, Strip Mine, Volrath's Stronghold, Wasteland, Contamination, Necropotence, Phyrexian Reclamation, Ashnod's Altar, Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Thran Dynamo, Vampiric Tutor

Good place to get proxies? I'm not trying to do anything sneaky, I just want to use Unhinged lands at my kitchen table.

>>55311309
It depends on the flicker effects.
If it tracks the commander to another public zone, such as the command zone, it's fine, but if the effect looks for the card in exile, it won't work.

I can't remember if there are any public tracking flicker effects that are "controller to controller," though. I think they're mostly con/own to owner."

So even if you did gain control of their commander, use something like Flickerwisp, and have them send to command zone, they'd then put it back into play under their control as they own said commander.

>>55311235
Yasova is really fun and as >>55311245 said, using something like bazaar trader to keep their commanders is ultra spicy

>>55310952
>What old cards still find use in your decks?
Ice Floe can be pretty nice.

I want to talk about all the golgari commanders. I'd like to build maybe all of them as separate edh decks. Many of them involve sac mechanics, but I'd like some advice on the other ones as well. So far here are my general ideas:

Sapling of Colfenor - Treefolk Tribal
Mazirek - Insect Tribal
Glissa, the Traitor - Artifacts (infect?)
Nath - Elves Tribal
Ishkanath - Spider Tribal
Gitrog Monster - Landfall? Retrace?
Hapatra - Tokens/Wither/Infect?
Jarad/Meren/Savra - Sac (may only do one of these actually since they may all end up the same)

So my question really is: what can golgari decks do effectively besides sac tech? Would the above work in some way?

>>55311476
Conjurer's Closet?

>>55310952
Friendly reminder that this is a Homelands card.

>>55311574
In case I did not make this clear I want each of the golgari decks to play differently, is what I am going after.

>>55311574
How could you forget the greatest golgari commander of all time?

>>55311615
She seems outdone by Hapatra, unless if you can do golgari enchantments

>>55311615
whoops looks like you posted the wrong image

>>55311576
I think everything Innistrad and further, and most likely earlier than that, track from exile. In cases with closet, Cloudshift, Ghostly Flicker, etc., the card is tracked only if it goes to exile. So instead of returning to play, which it would in Flickerwisp's case, it just goes to their command zone.

I might be confusing rules, but the minor word alterations really fucks up flicker effects.

>>55311615
Oh yeah, I won a high power tournament with her, trust me, no you can't see the list.

>>55311629
Pharika is outdone by any commander, but that's part of her charm.

>>55311636
I love Skullbriar. I love Verdurous Gearhulk. I love Relentless Dead. I love Vigor Mortis.

>>55311649
I trust you buddy. Soon everyone will understand that Pharika is S-tier

>>55311574
>>55311615
>>55311636
Make way for the best Commander.

Would Fulminator mage be a good add to an Alesha Deck? I was just looking through my collection and noticed I had one.

>Bronze Bombshell
>Mirrorweave
>Scrambleverse
:^)

>>55311615
>>55311713

How would a jank battle between Pharika and Iname as One go /edhg/?

>>55311774
>tutor spirit to graveyard
>turn it into a snake
what the fuck are you talking about

>>55311636
>Zombie Elemental
I forgot that he's not a Plant far too often.

>>55311839
People complain that he's not a Skeleton Plant.
>The undead monstrosity known as Skullbriar was formed when a necromancer and an elementalist entered into a grim pact. The mages wove their magics together in an overgrown cemetery, thinking it would bring them eternal life. Instead it fused them together into Skullbriar, the relentless, restless elemental of death.
Makes sense to me DESU. I'm not complaining with that Nils Haam artwork.

>>55311900
>>55311839
Can you do elemental tribal with him?

Hey lads, I have posted a couple different times over the last week + but finally I have all the cards suggested to me (I think)

Again, any advice would be appreciated. Especially on what to add/take out now that I have the cards

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/09-09-17-uncle-karl/

>>55312087
>tfw there will never be an "each opponent loses X, you gain that much life" effect again

>>55311636
*laughs in -1/-1 counters*

>>55312185
Extort was so fucking awesome

>>55312303
For sure, but not even just extort. All those old effects.
They "balanced" all that kind of shit for multiplayer. Siege Rhino is each op loses 3, you gain 3. That sort of thing.

What's your least favorite change of art?

I actually thought this one was a ton worse until about 30 seconds ago, when I realized the new art had a bird over his arm, when I thought he was holding a crossbow.

So I absolutely love all kinds of -1/-1 counter cards and all the interactions possible with them and want to build the best shit available with them, focusing SUPER heavily on abusing the shit out of the actual counters.

Should I go with
>Skeleton Ship This would probably inevitably include minor Skeleton Tribal.
>The Scorpion God
>Hapatra, Vizier of Poison
>Partner Commanders (Silas Renn / Tana; Reyhan / Kraum; Kydele / Vial Smasher)
>Shattergang Brothers

>>55312407

kiki-jiki

>>55312407
>old art has a dog
>new art has a dog on his shield
I like that. Anyway, give us more Born of the Gods Divinations.

>>55312494
>The Scorpion God

hes garbage

>>55312407
>Print awesome Evolving Wilds art in DKA, DoT, and BFZ
>Insist on continuing to use the meh Rise art
Not entirely the same thing, but I don't know what they're thinking sometimes.

How do I into sea monster tribal?

Jalira Polymorph effects + tokens/ETB value creatures or Thasa Devotion or Zegana Ramp or Teferi Untap Effects? Or some other blue commander I might be unaware of?

I just really like big-ass fish and wish they had as much support as Sphinx have these days.

how do you get around cockatrice bans?

my friend was a retard and couldnt register correctly so he got a restriction

while the strongest of the eminence commanders, i've been struggling to make edgar consistently work in my meta, even when built 100%. i tried out both the hyper-aggressive and the aristocrats versions, but i can't seem to keep up with even 75% decks at my table if i don't get skullclamp or a tutor to go get skullclamp.

is there a more consistent build of edgar that i'm missing, or is he just too reliant on a few key cards to succeed?

>>55312494
a t r a x a

>>55312407
Manamorphose
Akroma
But most of all, Nicol Bolas

>hurrr it's a dragon so it's gotta be big and scary and roaring!
>dragons don't read books, books are for NERDS

>>55312777
But muh red counter cards.

Were the commander 2014 sets hard to get a hold of?

>>55312802
boring

>>55312812
back in 2014? no, not really. i picked up zedruu for msrp a week before commander 2015 spolers started.

>>55312793
To be fair, old Bolas art was a clusterfuck and he needed some kind of update. Though a simple remake of the original art (or something similar, like him lounging on a mountain or throne while reading) would have been far better.

>>55312812
>>55312823
how the fuck did i type zedruu there
nahiri*

>friend about to go infinite with turns/mana
>convince him not to, and let the game go on because everyone was having fun
>either wipe everything or win the game next turn

every time

>>55312828
I mean, it does reflect the direction of the franchise in the last decade.
>NICOL BOLAS FLEW TOWARDS THE HEROES, EAGER TO KILL SOMEONE TODAY

But fuck, I want my scheming dragon arch-bastard reading his book of dickery.

>>55312857
>tutor for Bloodline Necromancer first, followed by Ashnod's Altar the turn later while playing Inalla
>wait a while
>convince people to use removal on another player's threats
>combo them dead because they forgot I grabbed my pieces
Playing with idiots is so fun.

>>55312875
A new Bolas showing him on his Throne on Amonkhet in the middle of ruined Naktamun, reading some books would have been fucking sweet as a promo of any kind or an Invocation at least.

>>55312913
Man, they never actually did show him on the throne, did they? It was such a huge centerpiece for that set and then he's never even depicted on it. What a fucking waste.

At least the Talon Gates callback is nice, I guess.

>>55312875
>Chandra and Nissa began circling around him in each direction. Yes, tactics, assuredly. He wondered how much it would crush their spirits if he applauded. Metaphorically, of course. His talons did not clap together well.
bew hew

>>55312895
i prefer my combos to be as wacky as possible
>vedalken orrery
>hyalopterous lemure
>wait for an attack to go unblocked
>activate the lemure a billion times and drop ichor explosion

c l a s s i c

>>55312895
>grab world slayer
>wait 3 turns
>play dark steel plate
>no one does anything about it forgetting about world slayer
>wait till everyone's tapped out
>win
>no one stayed untapped to counter because they forgot what i grabbed

I agree

>>55312984
does the fact that youre using this image mean youre a cuteboy who wants dik?

>>55312494
Go Sek'kuar to get all of the -1/-1. Or some other Jund commander. I just prefer Sek'kuar.

>>55313016
You should see my cockatrice username :3

>>55312494
Hapatra or Skeleton Ship Proliferate, the other options don't hold up. Scorpion God is 3rd choice, but a distant third.

How do I build this man /edhg/?
Any spicy tech?

>>55313069
is it sissywhiteboy?

>>55313081
yes

>>55313080
take some turns

>>55311588
That was a common.

>>55313134
it's not exceptional though, just playable.

>>55312984
>play sanguine bond
>Wizard player goes nuts for 10 minutes drawing cards and getting 50 mana
>he draws the group's ire
>play exquisite blood, place it as far away from sanguine bond as I can
>attack with nighthawk at the dragon player
>he blocks with a token and then I inform the table that I have just reduced their life to 0

>>55312965
I'm fairly certain that doesn't work and instead gives everything -0/-0 rather than +lots/+lots via double negative.

>>55313148
i actually double checked with a few level 3 judges i know, who all confirmed it. magic is a weird game sometimes.

>>55313145
>tfw have yet to get a sanguine bond/exquisite blood combo off

>>55313148
>>55313168
it works similarly with Cultivator of Blades, if you Shrink it to a -4/1 with the attack trigger on the stack it actually -4/-4's the player's board.

>>55313168
>i actually double checked with a few level 3 judges i know


>107.1b Most of the time, the _Magic_ game uses only positive numbers and zero. You can't choose a negative number, deal negative damage, gain negative life, and so on. However, it's possible for a game value, such as a creature's power, to be less than zero. If a calculation or comparison needs to use a negative value, it does so. If a calculation that would determine the result of an effect yields a negative number, zero is used instead, unless that effect sets a player's life total to a specific value, doubles a player's life total, sets a creature's power or toughness to a specific value, or otherwise modifies a creature's power or toughness.

>>55313080
Here's a list I've been tinkering with since the initial leaks.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-neverending-tempest/

I'm actually looking for advice on this. The idea right now is to tutor up an engine like Summonings or Reservoir and then cantrip to fuck and back, with some value spells mixed in to keep up with the board.

Also, bounce is your friend. There's a lot of cheap bounce cantrips that are really strong if rebounded and give you room to breathe if you can't get to your ramp.

>>55313197
>or otherwise modifies a creature's power or toughness.
that's what ichor explosion is doing in this scenario

>creatures are garbage unless they have trample or flying

is this true?

>>55313248
Hardly.

Menace, Intimidate, Fear, Banding, Unblockable, and May deal damage as though it weren't blocked are also things.

>>55313248
Don't forget double strike and indestructible.

>>55313248
nah

>>55313243
so the hyalopterous lemure's power is for example -30/3

and you cast ichor explosion

so every creature gets -30/-30 ?

>>55313276
yes banding my favorite form of evasion

>>55313248
Don't forget intimidate!

>>55313277
Or Shadow and Horsemanship.

is she fun? Thinking about switching Marath enchantress to Karametra

>tfw you bought an invocation Aggravated Assault at $25 and now it's $60

>>55313298
Nah, she's shit.

>>55313248
or undying

>>55313287
since the rules don't specify otherwise, the double negative is resolved in the standard way, and all creatures would get +30/+30. that's how the judge explained it anyway.

for what it's worth, it works on mtgo and xmage.

>>55313319
(-30) - (-30) = -60 ??

wut? Is there fuckery going on?

>>55313330
>All creatures get -X/-X until end of turn, where X is the sacrificed creature's power.
>lemure's power is -30
>-(-30)/-(-30)

>>55313358
so they all get -30/-30 ?

numbery i swear if you trick me one more time

>>55313426
how old are you

>>55313437
sheeeit, I'm 24 and bad at being a mathmagician, but cool thanks bro

>>55313426
107.1b Most of the time, the Magic game uses only positive numbers and zero. You can’t choose a negative number, deal negative damage, gain negative life, and so on. However, it’s possible for a game value, such as a creature’s power, to be less than zero. If a calculation or comparison needs to use a negative value, it does so. If a calculation that would determine the result of an effect yields a negative number, zero is used instead, unless that effect sets a player’s life total to a specific value, doubles a player’s life total, sets a creature’s power or toughness to a specific value, or otherwise modifies a creature’s power or toughness.

>>55313539
someone already posted that ruling. according to the judges i asked, because ichor explosion "modifies a creature’s power or toughness", the double negative goes through.

It's also why Death's Shadow + Fling is hillarious when you are at -200 life because of Ad Nauseam + Angel's Grace.

>>55313570
>tfw i will steal this combo you posted and when i get to combo into it, I will be considered the smart one in our group, instead of being "that black guy"

>tfw no good gorgon commander

>>55313637
damia is pretty alright. not the best, but definitely playable.

>>55313637
>no wurm, crab, or homarid legendary at all

>>55313637
don't you love me?

Recommend me some cards for this commander

>>55313722
Storm Cauldron
Amulet of Vigor

>>55313722
amulet of vigor, illusionist's bracer's, many of the playable moonfolk, seer's sundial

>>55313722
roil elemental is pretty spicy. mana breach is pretty good too. you can also float a bunch of mana and cast sunder.

>Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh
>not Nicol Bolas, KANG

>>55313801
>not Nicol Bolas, GOD-KANG

>>55313801
>Bolas beaten by Toshiro Umezawa
>retreats to Kamigawa
>Nicol Bolas, Gaijin

is it worth 30 bucks for demonic/vampiric tutor?

>>55313637
>who is hythonia

>>55313833
shit, I meant Tetsuo

>>55313722
Mana Breach
Overburden
Sunder
Moonfolk, especially Meloku, Soratami Savant, Soratami Mirror-Mage, Soratami Rainshaper, and Uyo.
Kefnet
Storm Cauldron
Roil Elemental (And other Landfall, a pity you can't run Lotus Cobra)
Treasure Hunt
Mana Vortex
Land Equilibrium (Most cards that Patron likes help abuse this)

>>55310984
Does destruction go through before Slagwurms damage resolves? Like, is it impossible to kill it by blocking it unless you have indestructible?

>>55313927
Correct.

>>55313833
>Nicol Bolas, Weeaboo

He wears a kimono and has a Kamigawa waifu

>>55313955
>Nicoru Borasu

What are some good things to add to the Inala wizards deck to make it competitive ie. Good combos (that don't cost 500$)

I'm happy with Inala in general and I like the effects of bouncing spells back out of my graveyard all the time, but it definitely lacks a good win condition.

>>55313971
>Inala
>bouncing spells back out of my graveyard all the time
Do you mean Kess?

>>55313971
archaeomancer + high tide + snap = infinite mana

cloudstone curio + most ETB wizards = crazy good value

harbinger of the tides is also super great

>>55313836
Beseech the Queen is less than $2. 3 mana to tutor isn't bad considering that 2 is the standard rate to draw a card, and 1 for cantrips.

>>55313993
i think he's talking about being able to double up on archaeomancer, izzet chronarch, and anarchist

Does anyone here play Zedruu? Can I get some advise? Cool stories? I love wedges and want to show the Narset and Shu Yun players that Jeskai isn't all spell-slinger.

>>55313722
https://edhrec.com/commanders/patron-of-the-moon

>>55314021
zedruu was the first precon i bought, and i played it for a while, but eventually i got bored. as fun as it is having a 50+ card hand the first time, it becomes real tedious real fast when looking for a counterspell to cast takes 30 seconds.

>>55313584
Doesn't work anymore with X rules errata.

>>55314074
i heard about that but couldn't specifically find it anywhere. got a link?

>>55312895
Pls explain combo

>>55314074
>>55314093
never mind found it
>107.1b Most of the time, the Magic game uses only positive numbers and zero. You can’t choose a negative number, deal negative damage, gain negative life, and so on. However, it’s possible for a game value, such as a creature’s power, to be less than zero. If a calculation or comparison needs to use a negative value, it does so. If a calculation that would determine the result of an effect yields a negative number, zero is used instead, unless that effect sets a player’s life total to a specific value, doubles a player’s life total, or sets a creature’s power or toughness to a specific value.
those bastards removed the "otherwise modifies power or toughness" clause at the end. but for why? :(((((

>>55313993
No, I mean using things like Archeomancer and a bounce spell, so I cast arche, duplicate, bring 2 instants or sorceries back, bounce him to my hand, cast again, duplicate, bring back the bounce spell and another, and repeat as needed... My problem is running out of mana by doing this, or just having spells that aren't able to win me the game no matter how many times I cast them
>>55313994
Thanks, will look into this. What is snap?

>>55314153
1U return target creature to hand. Untap up to two lands. Solid pauper staple.

>>55314153
the snap thing is as follows:
>cast high tide
>cast archaeomancer, returning high tide
>cast snap returning archaeomancer untapping some islands
>cast high tide again
>cast archaeomancer again, copying it, returning snap and high tide
>snap archaeomancer
>repeat

net result: infinite mana, infinite haste 2/2 creatures, return every spell in your graveyard to your hand

>>55314153
snapcaster mage

>>55314168
Thanks, found it. How does that combo give infinite mana though? Archeomancer is 4 and Snap is 2, so you need 3 islands for the combo initially, then to keep casting him it's 4 but you're only untapping 2 if you keep casting Snap, right?

>>55314245
hence the high tide

see:
>>55314219

>>55314219
>>55314245
I see, it didn't even occur to me that multiple castings of high tide would allow mana to eventually tap for infinite (or, an absurd enough amount to basically be infinite)

>>55314130
Bloodline Necromancer ETB, target whatever, Inalla trigger, pay 1 mana.
Inalla trigger on the stack, sacrifice Bloodline Necromancer to the Altar, let it die.
Inalla trigger resolves, makes a hasty Bloodline Necromancer. That Necromancer targets the one in the grave, which gets brought back, starting the cycle over again.
Repeat ad infinitum for infinite hasty Bloodline Necromancers and infinite mana.

>>55314255
you need either a good amount of islands or a ton of mana to get it going, though. it's like 12 mana to get started if you've only got one island out, but the more islands you have the less intensive it is. if all of your lands are part island you can go off with only 4.

>no good art cheap Candelabra of Tawnos
hahaendme

>>55314352
>candelabra
>nether void
>the abyss
>chains of mephistopheles

so many cards i want that i just can't justify spending too much fucking money on

WIZARDS PLEASE REPRINT

>>55314395
We need to start petitioning Wizards arguing that the Reserved List is a form of classism keeping poorer (and therefore minority biased) players out of the game.

>>55310952

KILL them STAN!

KILL THEM all!

>>55314407
>tfw you're the minority who can't afford expensive trading cards

>>55314136
They decided that subtracting negatives is too complicated for the average retard playing magic.

>>55314407
>tfw the last months buyouts of reserved list cards has increased your collections value by around $5,000

>>55314442
who doesn't know how to subtract a negative? it's more confusing to go against common sense math with this weird "NO NEGATIVE NUMBERS ALLOWED" thing

>>55314281
>>55314290
Man infinite combos make my head hurt desu. Will definitely look into the snap one, so cheap ($ wise) for such a good combo. Cloudstone Curio is a little too expensive for the price I want to keep the wizards deck under so I'll have to leave that. Ashnods sounds fun though

Do you think you'll ever stop playing Magic? What would it take to make you quit? If you did, what would you do with your collection?

>>55314407
>let's try to say they're racist by being racist!

also these threads are archived retard

>>55314407
Actually not a bad idea. Wizards has been getting pretty SJWish lately, and you could argue it's bad for their business in the long run (any good settings are prohibitively expensive for the player base so many new players leave once standard rotates out) and they don't make any money from the secondary market anyway.

>>55314526
Oh no. African Americans and Hispanics have a lower income on average than White Americans. That's not racist, I'm not saying or implying anything about the reasons behind it, it's just a fact.

>>55314407
>>55314529
>being this retarded

>>55314529
i think they just want new players buying into standard because standard players will keep buying packs to make new decks when things rotate out

>>55314511
I quit standard (and therefore magic completely) at one stage after about 12-18 months of playing every week once I realised how grossly expensive it was to keep buying new cards and good cards, and once I realised no matter how much I was willing to spend, there'll be some fuck out there who spends 8x as much to have a better deck, or if I want to have fun building my own deck I can never play it against other people because so many people just netdeck the best flavour of the month decks and beat me as well. It was expensive and became unfun, so I separated all my uncommons and rares, threw the commons in the garbage.

Later on some friends started playing and introduced me to the format. It's still very much pay 2 win, but people are less inclined to net deck for it and it's a bit more janky and fun (on average). There's still infinite combo players out there whose entire deck is focussed on bringing out 1 infinite combo to win, and I can't see how that's fun for them nor is it largely interactive for me to play against, but that's not as bad as what I experienced in standard.

I'd quit again if I couldn't find a good playgroup for commander, or if wizards expanded the reserved list in any form.

>>55314511
I'd probably sell most of it and only keep the most important decks/cards.

As for what it would take for me to quit, probably not having anyone to play with.

>>55312756
Shared animosity

>>55314552

>>55314552
>Regards, a "card collector"

Go fuck your mother.

>>55314574
>>55314575
>being this assmad that your mother drank heavily during pregnancy

>>55314564
>It's still very much pay 2 win

>>>/v/

>>55314564
>and once I realised no matter how much I was willing to spend, there'll be some fuck out there who spends 8x as much to have a better deck

This is just straight up false, standard spending is stupid and not worth it at all, but if you have the latest standard meta deck, him buying 8 of the same deck isn't going to benefit him the slightest.

There is a very high threshold of pay to play in MtG, but it is not pay to win. You can't just throw eight times the money at the format and magically get an advantage.

>>55314581
Provide a good argument for the reserved list you fat cunt

>>55314569
already on the list mate. the problem is that there's no consistency whatsoever.

>>55314596
Not him, but abolishing the reserved list would hurt a lot of collectors and speculators.

>>55314596
You don't need anything on it, the cards on it are too powerful for standard and modern, Legacy is a dead format, and reprinting things like duals and P9 would result in butthurt that would be felt across the world as stores keep boxes and don't sell idiots like you anything.

You can pretend all you want how you're gonna make a petition and use social justice language to make WotC bend to your ways but it's ultra easy to tell when a 4channer is using SJ-language to try to get something. Also all it would take is one screencap of this thread to foil your plans because any association with 4chan is PR suicide.

If you wanted this plan to actually work you wouldn't talk about it on a Mongolian flip note board known to the public as that place that really likes Trump and "got him elected"

TL;DR You sound like a fag and your shits all retarded.

>>55314620
What positive influence do collectors and speculators have for Wizards?

>>55314478
The mathematically illiterate SJWs that this game is marketed to.

>>55314649
>muh essjaydubz

>>55314649

>>55314657
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/homesick-2016-08-29

>>55314478
>this weird "NO NEGATIVE NUMBERS ALLOWED" thing

I think that's probably exactly why they did it. It's now a clear, consistent rule that always works the same rather than saying "these negative numbers are fine, but not these ones". It is now "a thing", rather than a situational concern.

>>55313677
>no wurm legendary
Literally criminal.

>>55314669
People like you are as cancerous as SJWs and twice as whiny.

Remember Teferi? Remember Kamigawa? Remember that chink exclusive set that Americans pay top dollar for?

Magics always had a diverse cast you dumb cunt.

>>55314669
>being gay makes you bad at math

>>55314689
You've been ousted. Polukranos sends his regards.

>>55314689
big agree
>>55314699
that's a hydra

>>55314693
>making a diverse cast
>vs
>forced diversity quotas
>using gendered insults
wew lad

>>55314596
>>55314635

Do you know who the biggest speculators in MtG are? It's the local game stores. The places you play magic. A large amount of their finances are tied up in magic stock. Removing the reserved list and dropping the prices of the secondary market would drive a huge number of LGS's out of business.

But that's just the most obvious downside, there's also the fact that people LIKE their cards holding their value, so that they can recoup their investments. People like having a goal to work towards. Having everything easily within their grasp cheapens the experience, even if it feels good in the short term.
The collector mentality is a huge reason why MtG is still around today, while other games that reprint like mad have crashed and burned.

I'm also against the reserved list, because swearing to NEVER reprint something is retarded, they should find a balance between supply and demand, but at this point the reserved list has become a crucial part of WotC's trust and accountability.
If they break the reserved list, they have broken the biggest promise they have made towards the community, which means they have broken their consumer trust and are likely to break it again in the future.
At this point, they will cause more damage than good by abolishing the reserved list. The solution is just to forget the reserved cards ever existed, and let the collectors sit on their expensive collectible cardboard

I finished my first EDH deck recently and started playing, after about a decade of Modern and a bit of Standard I'm really loving how legitimately fun Commander is, no idea though if my decks are at all competitive though

So im hooked, this is what I've made: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/goblin-parade-1/

and what I want to make, currently just slapped together; http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/morning-wood-4/

Lend me some advice for either

>>55314709
how can you tell the difference?

>>55314722
Find one example of Teferi's blackness being a plot point.

>>55314596

>>55314732
why would it be a problem if it was?

>>55314748
>forced diversity quotas

>>55314715
>I'm also against the reserved list, because swearing to NEVER reprint something is retarded, they should find a balance between supply and demand, but at this point the reserved list has become a crucial part of WotC's trust and accountability.
>If they break the reserved list, they have broken the biggest promise they have made towards the community, which means they have broken their consumer trust and are likely to break it again in the future.
>At this point, they will cause more damage than good by abolishing the reserved list. The solution is just to forget the reserved cards ever existed, and let the collectors sit on their expensive collectible cardboard

Had they reprinted cards back in the late 90s/early 2000s this problem wouldn't exist but now we're at a point of no return that people refuse to accept.

If they have a hypothetical set called "Reserved Masters" boxes would be beyond the normal person's grasp price wise and only a lucky select few and idiots willing to spend over MSRP would get their hands on them.

It'd be more trouble than it's worth.

>>55314701
>that's a hydra
That's the joke. Hydras have taken Wurm's spot as Green's Iconic.

>>55314763
high quality circular reasoning

>>55314693
>Remember Teferi?
Fucking Plane-traitors need not be recognized.

How many people died because Teferi took the cowards way out? How much was Dominaria fucked over because he decided to fuck off for a thousand years?

>>55314794
>forced diversity quotas are bad
>Teferi (old lore) isn't forced diversity
>ChandraxNissa (new lore) is forced diversity
>this is somehow circular reasoning
Get tangled in your own logic right there?

>>55314815
you said
"forced diversity quotas are bad"

i asked
"how do you know that's what this is?"

you responded
"forced diversity quotas are bad"

>>55314831
No.

>>55314845
uhh, yeah, that's exactly what happened.

i'll reiterate. what about this particular story makes you assume it's forced diversity?

>>55314860
No, it really isn't. We agree that forced diversity is bad. You ask how we know that it's forced diversity >>55314722, I respond because Teferi's race was never a plot point, while Chandra's non-heterosexuality is >>55314732 You ask why that's a problem, >>55314748, so I reply because we've already agreed that forced diversity is bad. Now, would you like to go back and say that forced diversity is a good thing?

>>55314887
a story can be about a character's race or sexuality without it being forced diversity

are characters just not allowed to have feelings about that or something?

>>55314887
who is forcing it

sometimes people are women and sometimes people are black and sometimes people are gay

>>55314906
You didn't answer the question.

>>55312693
The DTK alternate evolving wilds and promo art are dope too.

>>55314914
we both agree that forced diversity is a bad thing.

the fundamental disagreement here is that you think that a story that prominently features teferi's blackness for example would NECESSARILY be forced diversity while i do not

>>55314934
No, I point to the lack of stories about Teferi's blackness as an example that it was not forced diversity. Have a good night.

Anybody who's way more experienced able to lend some help? I'm trying to brew Kess Spellslinger and I usually play creature decks. Here's my shit list if anyone wants to take a crack.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kess-my-ass-2/

>>55314946
you still haven't addressed why you think that pointing out a character's gayness in a story is an example of forced diversity. are the writers just not allowed to bring up an important part of a character's life just because it happens to include "being gay"?

>>55314946
>Have a good night.
better shut your laptop and go hide under your sheets before your delicate value system has to face any more incredibly minor challenges

>>55314954
Got a max budget for this?

>>55312756
Phyrexian Reclamation

Patriarch's Bidding

>>55314974
it's always funny to see people say that. you know they're gonna lie there fuming, unable to sleep, thinking about the perfect comeback

>>55314395
>>55314352
>>55314407
I get it but

Candelabra is just too good man

I've seen some shit

>>55315034
again, those are both on the list already. it's a 100% list complete with all the best fast mana, fetches, original duals, tutors, and power cards. but even with every tool in the book, i can't seem to keep it consistent. it's always running out of steam too quickly. if my board gets wrathed and i don't have one of my mass reanimate spells or teferi's protection, i'm pretty much out of the game.

meanwhile, the 75% titania deck across the table doesn't mind and powers through.

>>55314596
shhh

it's ok

Only dreams now

>>55311765
>end result: you die to your opponent's bombshells

>>55315097
sounds like fun

>>55315092
Are you playing him multiplayer?

Maybe come to the realization that you have a fuckhuge spooky vampire army that goes wide & hard fast & people want you dead. There's only so much you can do.

>>55312501

>>55315109
yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it. i was hoping the aristocrats version would fare better and run similarly to a teysa deck that can run purphoros, but it wasn't as good as i wanted it to be.

>>55311765
Bronze Bombshell + Heartless Summoning + Endless Whispers

>>55313080
Dovescape

>>55315032
Probably like $100 budget honestly. That's around where the other decks are.

>>55315197
>dark ritual
>dark ritual again
>epic experiment

>>55315197
get aetherflux reservoir now while it's still relatively cheap.

sphinx-bone wand is also a neat little win condition.

>>55315247
I don't think my list is storm enough for aetherflux. Should I be building her more storm?

>>55315286
even if you're just casting 2 or 3 spells a turn it's pretty powerful.

it's hard to win with a spellslinger deck if you're not at least a little bit stormy.

>>55315299
I figured I could win over time with something like Sphinx bone, metallurgic summonings, and docent of perfection.
I'm very unsure how to play storm, like how many rituals is too much? What should my ratios be of ritual type cards to other cards be? Expected CMC? I'm basically only used to creature.dec as embarrassing as it is to say.

>>55315411
full-on storm is pretty hard to do on a budget. you can do a pretty good half-storm though. just swap out a bunch of the creatures with cantrips, throw in some storm spells like mind's desire, aetherflux, and empty the warrens and you're good. oh, and you're also gonna want epic experiment for sure.

kess is pretty good for budget storm because you can cast your storm card twice and get the full number of storm copies each time. not many commanders can double up on storm like she can.

>>55310952
>What old cards still find use in your decks?
Finally got a copy of Ashnod's Altar and Mana Vortex yesterday. Depending on how old we're talking, I also frequently run Tainted Aether, and Helm of Chatzuk can be a fun card to mess with. Whispers of the Muse and Searing Touch both have a place in my Kess and Mizzix decks as well.

>>55315483
This is really good advice. Is this the best place to get advice? I don't wanna always be shitting up threads asking for help.

Also does anyone know where I can get some proxies? I like John Avon full arts but can't afford them. Just for kitchen table only ofc.

>first start playing EDH
>friend goes infinite and wins
>WOOOOOWWW GAY
>been playing EDH for a year
>friend goes infinite and wins
>thank god that game's over

So how do you guys feel about infinite combos?

whats a good deck that can handle top tier creature beats but still have actual edh fun?

my friends are pretty tryhard playing shit like krenko, ezuri, zo-zu, and millon tutor combo decks so I cant play any of my fun decks without dying turn 4-5

>>55315620
my playgroup is sort of a giant circlejerk at this point. we're all playing mostly just to see cool card interactions, so if someone goes infinite it's almost always interesting.

if someone brought a boring teysa or sharuum deck to the table we'd all just groan and continue playing after they combo off as if they forfeit.

>>55315647
you could play a clone/control magic tribal deck and just gain control of everything they do that's cool. that's a fun one because it plays different every time and scales in power with how powerful your opponents' decks are.

>>55315130
>>55312756
Hey my dude it might be a simple case of easing off the accelerator, playing passive and trying to manipulate your group more. If players know you've got a spicy deck theres nothing you can do about 3 players keeping you in check once you start setting up your board, but they still have each other to worry about and you can always bait out wipes by throwing aggro the way of the player most likely to interact with you or wipe the board. Ill usually wait until I can kill one or more players in a single turn or ill deal damage in response to another player taking a beating or myself. Nothing beats having your entire combo ready in hand when everyone tap outs

>>55315620
I personally hate infinite combos. Takes away the fun of the game and the point of the format really, it's not fun to pull off, nor is it fun to play against. If you want to actually play magic then infinite combos is not really the way to go about it.

>>55315620
>>55315656
I build UW cleansing control just to be able to punish dishonorable players, today I made krenko scoop to rout

basically if you play tutors + combo, eldrazi, goodstuff, or "oops I win" I go full on "im not winning untill you scoop" mode

>>55315679
what commander, actually sounds pretty creative, probably wanna throw in a ton of take control cards

>>55315715
eh... the group knows me as the archenemy. i was big into legacy before i stopped playing competitively and got into EDH so i've got all the spicy tech to make my decks really solid.

i suppose the conclusion of "edgar isn't good enough to 1v3" is just disappointing to me because i thought there was a good chance he would be.

>>55315739
>what commander
Sen Triplets
Dragonlord Silumgar
Merieke

>>55312698

Personally I'd go Lorthos, secret tech dismiss into dream and willbreaker.

Whelming wave, high tide, capsize and innundate are also good.

>>55315647
Never would of thought Zo-Zu is tryhard. What does the deck do?

>>55315620
I usually use 'pseudo' infinite, ie more than you could possible use. Dumb shit like Mana Echos and an untapping cycle to generate tonnes of tokens and mana and using like Comet Storm to kill all 3 other players at once, its pretty dank, people like seeing stupid jank go off, especially in my case as its goblins so it has a particularly retarded flavor

>>55315739
you've got a couple options:
sakashima the imposter is a legendary clone that can bounce herself
merieke ri berit, rubinia the soulsinger, and yasova dragonclaw gain control of things
lazav, while usually more of a mill strategy, can become anything you drop a kill spell on
sen triplets is probably the best option, but if you're on a budget they're kinda pricy

>>55315754
Is everyone running wipes just for you and heavy removal? Maybe the deck needs more stuff to respond to counter with, even if it slows the setup down, I dont play the deck so its hard, but would something like Eldrazi Monument be enough to stop you getting undermined

>>55315760
kills your land and punishes you for playing land

unless youre playing mono-green elves (unless I play control the game ends with both of them makin out all over the board) you cant cast shit and you basically burn yourself out, thankfully he hasnt edhreced it so once zozu is dead he basically plays draw-go till he gets to play zuzo again

>>55315811
all of the above.

the biggest problem i face is that while there's one player running way too many wraths just for me, there's another player whose only deck is a keranos list that's 90% counterspells and no wincon. he's smart enough to know to hold counterspells for things i cast that save me from the wraths from the other guy.

it's hard to play things that aren't stax or quick infinite combos at my table.

>>55315870
You could just run jank until they stop shitting on you, I guess.

>>55315870
you could find better friends who arent tryhard assholes
fuck just soley focusing on one person every game is a surefire way to say "we dont want to play with you"

>>55315787
>sakashima the imposter is a legendary clone that can bounce herself

Sakashima is male. Don't worry, even some of the columnists for DailyMtG have gotten it wrong before.

In a game of pretend though, Sakashima can be whatever you want.

>>55315982
>making me wanna play the girl(male) commander

alright youve convinced me with faggotry

>>55314720
how does that Wort deck perform at the moment, it looks pretty janky but fun

>>55316070
My group isnt hyper try hard but the deck does pretty well. I sometimes feel starved for lands early or cant draw a spell to dump all my mana into. Going pseudo infinite and then having nothing to do with 600 colourless mana sucks dick. I cant think of any other good tutors though for G/R besides maybe Gamble

I still tutor for my creatures reliably and my combos can go off all in a single turn. Ive add Boggart Shenanigans for board wipes but im still struggling against all is dust and exile spells dropped by the a colourless affinity deck player.

Why is there that great a difference between foil and not foil version of Yavimaya Hollow?
The foil version obviously would cost more, but 15 times more seems an exaggeration

>>55315574
>I like John Avon full arts but can't afford them.

Soon you'll be able to get them semi-reasonably from Unstable.

>>55316665
It's part of a tiny slice of cards where the Reserved List and Premium cards overlap.

>>55312813
Says the atraxa player. My fucking sides!

Should I buy all the cards for a Treefolk tribal deck

Actually having fun with this guy as commander, nice to scale off the table.

>>55316130
Signal the Clans might be okay in your list. Doubt it will be as good as in a RG goodstuff deck like Xenagod, but it can still grab combo creatures.

Anyone else that felt that the cm17 deck felt kinda low quality?

The dragon pack i bought had 3 cards that had managed to get glued together and one guy who bought missed one card. It was a vivid creek but still.

>>55317507
post decklist

>>55312693
i really like amonkhet

>>55317627
There have been a ton of accounts of cards missing, cards coming out warped or stuck together, and the like. It's not isolated to C17 either. It's occurring more with each new set. Wizards has really dropped the ball on card quality as of late.

>>55317627
welcome to MTG 2017. AKH and HOU have been poor quality as well.

>>55317651
Yeah, that is my favourite after the DTK promo.

do i really need cavern of souls, mana crypt, and gaea's cradle for selvala? Those 4 cards alone are almost half of the cost for the deck

>>55317868
no

>>55317868
Yes.

>>55317868
I don't see how cavern is anywhere close to necessary. Cradle is pretty fucking good, and you have to have a wierd green deck to not want it in one.

Mana crypt should be in every deck, the same as sol ring. The only reason it's not pulling Sol ring numbers is that some people are poor.

>>55312087
looks pretty good to me, whats funny I also just built a uncle karl deck with advice from this general
https://deckstats.net/decks/91953/796525-uncle-karl-life-steal

Is Mana Echoes in Inalla obligatory or tryhard bullshit?

>>55317868
No, unless you live in a meta where you'll die horribly for not running stuff like crypt.

>>55316790
Won't they be expensive?

is new gaeas cradle actually going to be 20$?

>>55318114
>He won't draft Unstable

>>55318115
doubt it.

>>55318114
God, I hope not, but probably. They're probably gonna pull some dumbass shit like they did with Amonkhet where there's only one full art land in every 4 packs.

>>55318115
It's a five~ten dollar card at most unless it somehow does things in modern.

>>55318260
nah, they confirmed every pack will have a full art land, save for a 1/121 chance of getting a foil rigger instead.

>>55318131
hey is unstable a draft format like conspiracy or can you do sealed ?

>>55318269
What about this one? I hope it's just a bulk rare

>>55318398
I think it's both for draft and sealed

>>55318466
It's like one mana too expensive for modern/legacy.

>>55318466
>>55318477
There's also the fact that the front side strategy is different from the back side strategy. I think of the back let you dump your cards in the grave it would be good enough to at least consider.

>>55318495
Decent for commander though

(or am I just bad at magic?)

>>55318501
It's aite filtering/yard fill.

>>55318041
Sounds like a no brainer to me

If I wanted to run Villainous Wealth, who would you say is the best Commander to use it? I was thinking Damia, but I'm not sure and Sultai is a little out of my depth.

>>55318041
Its fairly relevant, though it is best going for combo.

>>55318729
With Leovold banned, I'd say Tasigur.

>>55318729
Damia would be my bet too. Basically run all the ramp, refill your hand with Damia each upkeep while protecting her with some counterspell, and Villainous Wealth people for half their decks.

>>55317868

Mana Crypt and gaea's cradle are extremely important, you can't really compete with people playing those cards or cards at that level unless you have your own

Cavern of souls isn't in the same ballpark

>>55318729
Kydele+Smug Dimir Man

>>55317507
Aside from the stuff you get through Gonti, are you running big black mana or just black goodstuff?

>>55318115
It's €10 on MCM pre-order at the moment but it's mostly speculation. As Foretold started at €10+ but now it's sitting on €3.50 and going down.

>>55313298
I've been messing around with her lately, she's fun but very slow unless you can ramp her out early.

>>55313248
as all the guys have shown us
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>>55313291
>>55313311

Vanilla creatures are bad in edh. Creatures either have to be hyper-efficient evasive beaters or bring value out side of being a creature (i.e. being a mana dork, having a tap/sac ability, ETBs).

>>55319030
if you can cheat it into play in some manner a huge creature without any evasion can also be decent. a 13/13 will often be able to swing freely.

pretty much every game of edh i've ever played has at least 1 if not several players who have no creatures on board until turn 6-7.

>>55319030
I've killed a lot of people with a hasty Malignus, hell I've even killed people with Scute Mob.

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