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MM2017 spoilers thread
>What kind of rarity you want senpai?
Just mythic my shit up!
Seriously though, these mythical are real bad, and Lily isn't making up for it, if the rest of the rares aren't fucking good, this set is trash

>> No.51948475

>>51948461
First for fuck rarity shifting

>> No.51948489

>>51948461

(((WOTC)))

>> No.51948501

Not very surprising but yeah, fuck em.
I guess the ones who were screaming about Snapcaster Dindu will be happy.

I really like the Ranger of Eos new art, i'll probably get one when they're out.

>> No.51948551

Does this mean we're getting the miracle cycle at mythic? Please no

>> No.51948556

Good to know most $50+ reprints will be at mythic rare

>> No.51948573

>>51948461
Didn't WotC once say the don't make decisions based on the secondary market?

Their integrity is shit

>> No.51948583

>>51948556

Why, are you a kike?

>> No.51948593

>>51948556
>Damnation and enemy fetches at rare.

>>51948551
Entreat or Terminus seems highly likely. Green and Black didn't have a miracle spell if I remember.

>> No.51948618

>>51948593
Green had a couple. One that placed counters and one that gave +6/+6 and had to be blocked, IIRC.

>> No.51948627

Good uncommons!?!?!? http://collected.company/2017/02/28/modern-masters-2017-preview-121/

>> No.51948637

>>51948593
Green had two miracles: Revenge of the Hunted and that uncommon one.

>> No.51948641

>>51948593
What the fuck man, like all these mythic are shit outside of snap. What are they just going to give us Lili and smile like "well there's your snap and lili, couldn't expect too much right goy?" Not saying I want all the value in mythics but at this point it's fucking snap and lili in a box or your fugged

>> No.51948645

>>51948461
FUCK THESE FUCKING SHIT COCK FUCKING FUCK SHIT NUGGET SHIT FUCK DICK CHEESE GOBBLING FAGGOT SHIT FUCK SHITTING SHIT FUCKS IN ASS SHITTING FUCK BITCH FUCKING FUCKERS IN THE EAR WITH SHIT COCK FUCKS

>> No.51948655

>>51948627
Oh shit bruh

>> No.51948674

>>51948551
Temporal Mastery and Bonfire of the Damned have already been spoiled.

>> No.51948679

>>51948641
You would expect anything else at this point?

>> No.51948682

>>51948627

oh bb

>> No.51948684

>>51948627
>Inquisition
>Path
>Uncommons
Where are my 200 bucks???
>poor
Here they are :'(

>> No.51948689

>>51948627
I'm not familiar with that site. If this is real then this set is lit.

>> No.51948697

>>51948627
>inquisition at uncommon

The madmen actually did it

>> No.51948720

>>51948689

goldfish and more serious sites are talking as if it's true, so

>> No.51948765

>>51948627
So long as basic shit that lets you play the game, like lands, and answers, like removal, keeps getting mass reprinted, I guess I can live with big bombs or archetype enabling cards being expensive.

>> No.51948785

>>51948641
if they give us Lili, I don't give a fuck if the rest of the mythics are draft chaff.
I would be way happier with getting good rares/uncommons/commons instead

>> No.51948807

>>51948627
Hm they might actually be making a good set.

>> No.51948821

>>51948689
It's on mythic spoiler now

>> No.51948981

Snapcaster at mythic is literally the worst thing they've done with this set so far. I can't wait to see all the anons backtracking about how good this MM17 is going to be.

>> No.51948992

>>51948627
Oh wow

>> No.51949016

>>51948981
Are you so dense that you didnt see that coming the moment they upshifted Bob and Goyf? We all knew it was gonna be that way

>> No.51949121

>> No.51949125

>>51948981
Who cares that Snap is at mythic. Anyone who wants one could probably already afford one. Snapcster is the cheapest it has been in some time.

>> No.51949143

>>51948981
It's really not that big a deal. Snap is only 35 anyways.

>> No.51949146

>>51949125
Doesn't help that blue sucks, Snapcaster is about all it had going for it

>> No.51949154

>>51949121
wait, what? why?

>> No.51949157

Fuck

>> No.51949167

>>51949146
Maybe they reprint ancestral?

>> No.51949168

>>51949157
two uncommones rareshifted to rare

calling it

>> No.51949179

>>51949167
Already two blue mythics

>> No.51949184

>>51949121

what

>> No.51949193

>>51949121
fuckin neato
disregarding his price, if we see stuff like Oblivion Ring or a few other neat enchantments this could be really fun in draft

I'm really hoping the rumors about this set being more available then the last two are true because the draft possibilities look really fun.

>> No.51949219

>>51949193
If they liked money they'd print this until MM18

>> No.51949220

>>51949168
I doubt itll happen unless its something like Vial

>> No.51949224

>>51949154
>>51949184
Modern playable, EDH staple. It's a good reprint

>> No.51949229

>>51949154
The set has a shard theme. It makes sense they'd want a chance to put non-Alara shard cards into a draft format that actually supports them.

>> No.51949232

>>51949121
>Commander Masters

>> No.51949254

>>51948461
At least i bought all my chinamen fakes and i don't have to pay 10 bucks for lottery tickets

>> No.51949262

>>51949179
...at rare!

>> No.51949273

>>51949229
makes sense

>> No.51949277

>>51949254
Nice! Good for you!

>> No.51949316 [SPOILER] 

>>51949232

>> No.51949338

>>51949232
Still waiting for craterhoof

>> No.51949376

>tmw you realize restoration angel and thragtusk are together again

>> No.51949441

>>51949376
>vanish into memory

>> No.51949486

Why did the set symbol have to be so ugly

>> No.51949493

>>51949121
>esper control will be hilariously viable

>> No.51949513

>>51949121
More like Modern Memesters amirite?

>> No.51949515

>>51949338
I refuse to believe that WotC will take it that far.

>> No.51949525

Vapor snag and remand, pls.

>> No.51949528

>>51949441
Let's make blink great again!
Resto Angel, Thragtusk, Deadeye navigator, vanish into memory, snapcaster
Let's see a Roon

>> No.51949541

>>51949515
We still need a Green Mythic, and they said they wanted R/G to go wide as fuck

>> No.51949552

>>51949515
Mm17 is focused on innistrad. Two of the archetypes have tokens in them. I dont see why not

>> No.51949575

So is this supposed to be a three color set or what?

I mean the fixing seems to be there and they're giving us tri-color workhorse cycles.

>> No.51949583

>>51949541

Craterhoof.

>> No.51949587

>>51949541
>>51949552
Never mind, I didn't realize that craterhoof was a $25 card. Probably gonna be reprinted, then.

>> No.51949589

>>51949541
if we got craterhoof i would be ecstatic
then we could get Through the Breach too and i'd probably cream myself

>> No.51949633

>>51949528
>>51949376
I have never had a good experience drafting magic the tapppening, but now I feel a strong urge

>> No.51949636

>>51949589
There's gonna be a BR reanimator subtheme as well, right? Maybe we'll get Goryo's Vengeance as well.

>> No.51949641

>>51948689
It's the website of two podcasts that have gotten official spoilers before.

>> No.51949642

My personal wishlist:

>puresteel paladin
>stoneforge mystic
>stonehewer giant
>cyclonic rift
>bear umbra

I have my reasons (read: I need to boost my Commander decks).

>> No.51949650

I said I wasn't going to buy a singe pack of this shit, and right now I still don't plan to. That bing said If this was going to cost $15 to draft instead of $50 I would draft the fuck out of this jank.

>> No.51949665

>>51949642
Stoneforge is banned; not gonna be in the set

>> No.51949679

>>51949650
This. The set looks fun as hell to draft but absolutely shit value for $12 a pack.

>> No.51949681

>>51949665
Balls, you're right. *sigh* Rafiq may never have his Equipment waifu...

>> No.51949700

>>51949665
Unless they reprint it and unban it on release day
I honestly feel like we can deal with stoneforge now

>> No.51949703

>>51949636
Wizards said it would be an "unearth" subtheme, hopefully they mean reanimator in a more generic sense.

>> No.51949725

>>51949679
>$12 a pack
>tfw I live in canada where the dollar is only 77 cents US

>> No.51949727

>>51949636
We have Griselbrand, we need faithless looting and then we can have almost grishoalbrand in limited, fucking kek

>> No.51949746

>>51949636
They wouldn't print both. Because we'd have almost all of instant reanimator in a draft.

My money is on TTB

>> No.51949750

What's the current rating on the set?

I for one am glad this guy can now be my pauper tiny leader. Here's hoping for blightning reprint

>> No.51949756

>>51949700
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned
>Batterskull is Modern legal, therefore Stoneforge will never be unbanned

>> No.51949759

>>51948627
I expected them to cut down on the wild pack variance, but wow. Kitchen Finks too?

>> No.51949775

>>51949679
>pauper
It's uncommon
>tiny leader
Not legendary
???

>> No.51949795

inb4 pic related
>>51949750
Honestly, I'm pretty content with it. Seems like it'll be closer to MM1 than MM2.

>> No.51949800

>Innistrad and return to Ravnica are allowed in modern masters this year
>Let's jerk off shards of Alara!
Really makes you think

>> No.51949808

>>51949750
>Uncommon, was previously rare
>Not legendary
The fuck you smoking?

>> No.51949811

>>51949775
>>51949775
>He doesn't know how pauper commander works
http://pauperedh.weebly.com/pauper-commander-rules.html

>> No.51949814

>>51949756
As much as I enjoy spam, I really don't feel like stoneforge is strong enough anymore. With a meta having this much removal and her tiny body, I don't think it would be that disruptive.

That being said, I never played when she was legal, so I have no idea how degenerate she can actually be.

>> No.51949826

>>51949811
You are correct. I was unaware of this Jank-ass fucking format. I apologize, please continue.

>> No.51949846

>>51949756
>Turn 3 4/4 lifelink is too strong
>Turn 2 4/4 Thoughtseize is fine

>> No.51949848

So clearly there's a 1 cost sorcery/instant uncommon theme.
Green= might
Black= inquisition
White=path
So what's red and blue?
Bolt and vision or Spell snare?

>> No.51949877

>>51949848
definitely bolt

Spell Snare would be too smart so probably Spell Pierce

>> No.51949883

>>51949848
>bolt
Yes plz.
>vision or spell snare
I'd prefer Vision.

>> No.51949888

>>51949848
Hopefully lava spike? It's slightly more in need of a reprint .

>> No.51949931

Or maybe they make it ponder and surprise us all with an unban

>> No.51949935

>>51949888
why not both? :^)

in all seriousness if they're going hard they could print bolt at uncommon for being more flexible and lava spike at common

i really doubt that they would

>> No.51949936

>>51949848
>Vision at uncommon
That's way too good

>> No.51949961

>>51949814
>I have no idea how degenerate she can actually be
Then you are lucky.

>>51949846
Yes, a 4/4 vigilance lifelink that can dodge removal and grind out value forever like a Masticore on crack is better than Thought Knot Seer.

>> No.51949966

>>51949756
>>51949814
>>51949846
If Batterskull and Stoneforge Mystic swapped places on the banlist, would SFM still be too powerful for Modern?

>> No.51949967

>>51949931

I hope it comes with the venser art then

>> No.51949989

>>51949750
>New pauper commander
Well, fuck. New deck is coming

>> No.51950003

>>51949966
No, it'd be fine then. The worst it would do is fetch Swords, and the format is strong enough to live with that. It's Batterskull that's the problem.

>> No.51950028

>>51949528
>roon
>modern masters

>> No.51950030

>>51949814
Hard to say, getting a 4/4 lifelinker at T3, with the equipment staying on the board or tutoring for any of the swords is a powerful tool. I don't think it would be format warping, but modern is already such a regulated format, I doubt wizards would unban a card that gives decks options

>>51949846
goyf is bullshit for power scaling and you know it, also you would be at 15 life by doing that.

>> No.51950056

>>51949808
Pauper commander is any uncommon creature as a commander with the rest of the deck being commons

>> No.51950060

>>51950003
Well that's fucking stupid then. Why ban SFM if BS (how fitting) is the problem?

>> No.51950065

>>51949665
Post pro tour unban announcement

>> No.51950074

>>51950030
batterskull also naturally bounces removal
and can be replayed for 2 mana with stoneforge out
and stoneforge can play it at instant speed if you have it in your hand (combat tricks assuming you tutored for something out)
Batterskull + Stoneforge is way too strong

>> No.51950084

>>51950028
I'm just retarded, I thought Roon was originally in shards but reprinted in commander, disregard my stupidity

>> No.51950085

>>51949846
If you're talking about Thought Knot, then you're mad. You need three cards to get Thought Knot on the field by turn 2. You can get Batterskull into play by turn 2 with Stoneforge, a Spirit Guide, and 2 plains. It's a much better combination of cards.

>> No.51950101

>>51950060
>Well that's fucking stupid then. Why ban SFM if BS (how fitting) is the problem?
Because Wizards of the Coast™ is a smart company.

>> No.51950110

>>51950085
So what you're saying is spirit guide is the problem

>> No.51950112

>>51950056
Huh, that's actually kinda neat.

>> No.51950116

>>51950060
Because batterskull is perfectly fine, and almost unplayable without stoneforge.
Honestly, I think it would be fine in modern, SFM still needs to survive to untap.

>> No.51950124

>>51950074
Equipping is sorcery speed. Unless you just mean creating a giant 4/4 lifelink blocker.. which the opponent knows you have

>> No.51950158

That has to be stony silence

>> No.51950159

Would you get drunk and play casual shit decks against me?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ephara-god-of-jank/

>> No.51950160

>>51950124
you don't have to play only the card you tutored
if you happen to have it in your hand and tutor for something else, they will not
i understand it's an edge case but still relevant

>> No.51950163

as someone who currently only plays standard because i'm about a month into magic:

does MM17 represent a good opportunity to get into modern or EDH or is it just lottery tickets of bullshit?

>> No.51950192

>>51950163
all packs are just lotteries, really
if you buy any MM just go to a draft, honestly. it's more fun
once prices go down just buy the singles you want instead of playing the lottery

>> No.51950198

>>51950163

Lottery Tickets of Bullshit.

It might cause the prices for certain cards to dip in the summer/fall, so buy singles then.

>> No.51950206

>>51950163
Like any format, buying singles is always going to be the most efficient way to get into a format.

It's too early to tell if this will be a great limited set, but it could be (which would be a great reason to draft it even if you're new)

>> No.51950211

>>51950159
Yes. I would probably combat you specifically with this: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-circus-of-values-2/

>> No.51950216

>>51950163
lottery tickets of bullshit
If you draft it a few times, you'll probably get the pieces for a decent Modern deck

>> No.51950222

>>51950158
it probably is. neat art too.

>> No.51950223

>>51950163
lottery, it doesn't give enough pieces to build a whole deck, usually just some of the hard to get pieces. It's a total crap shoot as a pack, but tends to return about MSRP if you buy a box to open enough packs to average out the $1 rares

>> No.51950226

>>51950159
>>51950211
Shit, I was in the wrong thread. How embarrassing.

>> No.51950231

>>51950163
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/decks/budget/modern#paper

>> No.51950233

>>51950163

It's a good opportunity to buy singles since some will go down in price for a while. Don't wait too much or they'll go up again

>> No.51950246

>>51950226
Are you drunk right now?

>> No.51950247

>>51950124
Yeah the argument is that a 4/4 lifelink vigilance at the end of your turn 3 is too strong for modern.
I mean, part of the reason why SFM is so good in legacy is that you have mana denial and mother of runes to protect it. You don't have those tools in modern.
You also get Jitte first in most of the matchups where you would want a batterskull anyway.

>> No.51950285

They should just ban batterskull and unban sfm. Theres plenty of artifact hate in sbs.

>> No.51950298

Archangel of Thune reprint when?

>> No.51950312

>>51950285
In banning batterskull they're also hurting Eldrazi Tron, which has been a major annoyance in my incredibly competetive meta

>> No.51950356

>>51950312
eldrazi tron would probably still be really strong without batterskull, i'd say

>> No.51950378

>>51950158
Wondering if Bridge, Moon and Chalice get reprints as well to complete the circle of let's not play magic.

>> No.51950400

>>51948461
>Just mythic my shit up!

At least Damnation managed to scrape by in Rare.

>> No.51950401

>>51950378
Stony silence is fine

>> No.51950419

>>51950356
Of course, but slightly less strong, no more swinging with a 9/9 trample, lifelink, haste, vigilance pseudo-hexproof dude

>> No.51950448

>>51950401
It's not, it either encourages people to keep shitty greedy hands with nothing but Stony Silence and lose or it wins on the spot when you have follow-up plays. Same deal with accelerated Moon and Chalice if you're not playing lotsabasics and outs at 2+ mana, unanswered Bridge makes winning via creatures impossible, which happens to make 95% of Modern. None of the them make for good gameplay.

>> No.51950462

>>51950158

>> No.51950465

>>51950158

>> No.51950489

>>51950060
SFM lends itself to degenerate combos much more than BS does. If SFM is the one that's legal, there's a much higher risk of someone discovering a different interaction that's broken enough to require a re-banning, which they want to avoid. BS is a lot "safer" to leave in modern.

>> No.51950495

>>51950246
I started drinking before my friends arrived, yes.

>> No.51950527

>>51950448
>t. Salty lantern player

>> No.51950570

>>51950527
I don't play Lantern nor am I salty, I just don't see the reason for having "[strategy] loses the game" cards.

>> No.51950598

>>51950489
The only benefit/interaction that SFM can do is fetch Equipment and if it survives an untap, drop it onto the field for 2 mana at instant speed.

So unless WotC is going to start making more Living Weapons even more busted than Batterskull or start doing bullshit like making Vehicles that are also Equipments, there's no real way to break it once the "ceiling" of the Swords of X and Y are what almost everyone gravitates towards in the first place.

There honestly aren't a ton of good (read: low CMC, low equip cost, good stats) Equipment cards outside of the Swords and Batterskull, and the only reason BS is on the list is because it comes down and immediately becomes a creature on an empty board.

With as much removal and aggro decks running around, I think SFM could be unbanned and all it would do is let decks focus on White being the primary color in their deck and not the secondary/tertiary color it currently is.

>> No.51950613

>>51950489
I think it's banned more because its too much value, rather than degenerate combos.
I mean, cards legal in legacy, which has an even crazier cardpool, and i can't think of a single combo deck that plays stoneforge for anything.
If any other legacy players in here know of a deck like that, please correct me, but as far as i'm aware, there is no such deck.

>> No.51950638

>>51950598
this
the only other equipment that could possibly be more broken is skullclamp, which will never ever be unbanned

>> No.51950669

>>51950638
Don't forget Jitte.

>> No.51950682

What's our white mythic gonna be?

>> No.51950739

>>51950682

Angelic Destiny maybe? There seems to be some auras and aura-themed cards in there

>> No.51950757

>>51950682
fumigate

>> No.51950769

>>51950682
Avacyn would be my guess, though I swore I saw a Sun Titan card image with the MM17 emblem.

>> No.51950782

>>51950682
Sun titan perhaps?

>> No.51950784

>>51950682

please be linvala

>> No.51950816

>>51950682
Archangel of Thune?
Angel of Serenity?
Avacyn, Angel of Hope?
Baneslayer Angel?
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite?
Monastery Mentor?

>> No.51950822

>>51950638
Jitte and Skullclamp are the only other cards in the Modern cardpool that are more busted than Batterskull, and they're on the ban list and will never come off it.

I get why they won't unban it (fear of introducing new cards that will be too powerful in the Modern cardpool) but if you're designing an Equipment card that's as good as - if not better - than the Swords, you probably need to take a step back and ask yourself, "is this too strong in a vacuum, and if it's too strong for Standard, it's probably too strong for Modern."

>> No.51950864

>>51950682
Terminus

>> No.51950865

>>51950784
This. MM17 deals with Zendikar and Linvala needs a reprint.

>> No.51950894

>>51950682
Linvala + Thune gets my vote

>> No.51950996

>>51950598
Its banned because of its ridiculous versatility and the fact that you can never cleanly answer it. fair matchups come down to "who sticks a mystic" and nothing else. Why do we need that? Doesnt everyone complain about creatures the tappening?

>> No.51951024

>> No.51951037

>>51951024
Hahahaha

>> No.51951052

>>51951024
The joke is less funny the second time
make it a mythic third time around

>> No.51951066

>>51951024
come on, if you are going to try this at least fix it so the correct token terminology is used.

>> No.51951086

>>51951052
i just got the picture through a text, it's fake then?

>> No.51951087

>>51951024
So should we expect Deceiver Exarch?

>> No.51951096

>>51951086
its fake.

Tokens are created, not put on the battlefield now.

>> No.51951104

>>51949848
maybe, I don't know, fucking SERUM VISION

sure, I want it at common like everyone else, but more importantly, I just fucking want it.

>> No.51951114

>>51951086
Why would they print a card in Modern Masters that's banned from Modern?

>> No.51951203

>>51951037
>>51951052
>>51951066
>>51951086
>>51951096
Fucking /tg/

>> No.51951343

>>51950613
SFM's strength is that Batterskull is REALLY fucking hard to deal with.

>> No.51951477

Is Modern saved, /tg/?

>> No.51951492

>>51951477
No. More poorfags in the format solves nothing

>> No.51951494

>>51951477
at 10$ per pack and a limited print run I don't think so

>> No.51951637

>>51950462
>>51950465
>Not mythic
Bueno

>> No.51951721

>>51951494
Considering the average pack value based on cards so far, $10/pack might even work out at profitable.

>> No.51951744

>>51951477

Not even close. Wait for the whole spoiler and see. Basically, I think that Cavern of Souls and Liliana are the only relevant things left. And then, the parade of monsters begins.

>> No.51951753

>>51951721

Oh, don't take me wrong, it's looking like it will be profitable on average, but it isn't a set with enough reach to bring enough players into modern to actually repopulate the format

And as >>51951744 says, there's a lot to be spoiled yet

>> No.51951760

>>51951753
Tarmogoyf at rare

>> No.51951768

>>51951721

How deep we have fallen. Sets are now considered to be good not based on quality, but on EV and profitability.

We deserve to get devoured by chinese fakes.

>> No.51951774

>>51951760

>> No.51951792

>>51951760
Too good in draft to be a rare

>> No.51951798

Anyone else reallly want a Remand reprint?

I want new art for one of my favorite cards of all time.

>> No.51951817

>>51951792
Goyf is fucking awful in draft

"And now I play my turn 4 0/1 Goyf!"

>> No.51951845

>>51951792
Goyf is terrible in draft what the fuck are you smoking.

>> No.51951882

>>51951792
This fucking guy
>not remembering goyfgate

>> No.51951988

>>51951792
Goyf used to be left at the draft table as a junk rare for scrounging noobs to pick up.

>> No.51951996

>>51951798
I hope it has jace on it to piss people off.

>> No.51952009

>>51951817
>>51951988
Masters sets are different than standard sets. They have a lot more card types available compared to standard sets

>> No.51952016

>>51951798
>Remand
>Cryptic
>Spell Snare
>Serum Visions
>Clique
pls gib thes wizadrs

>> No.51952038

>>51952009
>They have a lot more card types available compared to standard sets
What? No they don't. The only difference between this and a normal set is you're more likely to see a fetchland in this, but even then the chances of getting one in your three packs is low, and the chances of getting it early game are even lower still.

>> No.51952053

>>51951792
goyf is literally fine in draft. It's likely a 1-of in a 40 card deck that gets it to like, 4/5 at most and assuming they can print stuff like path to exile at uncommon, goyf is just a good card and not game breaking.

>> No.51952055

>>51952009
No for real, literally nobody thought it was good when it came out. It took at least 2 weeks for people to realize it's a 4/5 for 2. And even then it wasn't really that pricey.

>> No.51952058

>>51952009
Just delete your posts man

>> No.51952175

>>51952009
Mate, even when playing Vintage or Legacy cubes, Goyf is just a good creature that brings good value after T4 or 5. You're lucky to get a squire out of it in T2 in a limited format.

>> No.51952296

>>51952175
We don't know what is in the set yet. There could be tribal cards at common rarity like Tarfire or artifacts that sacrifices themselves like Mishra's Bauble, or things like Chromatic Sphere at common rarity. And for all we know Goyf might not even be in the set since it is nowhere to be seen on the packaging

>> No.51952305

>>51948627
RIP hoarders!

>> No.51952316

>>51952175
not that anon but I'm happy to play my 1/2 goyf in modern because sometimes you want the little kid at fnm to feel good about bolting the goyf and it not growing to 3/4

>> No.51952317

>>51952296
even if we had all those things goyf is still just ok in limited.

>> No.51952332

>>51952296
If Goyf and Lili are both in the same set I'll suck Maro's cock till it's dry

>> No.51952357

>>51952317
and if RG is the 'go wide' archetype, goyf is go tall and less good there. Multiple bodies benefit more from overrun effects even if goyf gains trample

would goyf be too strong for modern if it was the same but GG for trample or 1G trample but doesn't have an extra point of toughness?

>> No.51952396

>>51949121
fairly cute reprint, not exactly a Modern powerhouse but a nice one for EDH and could be a fun draft rare.

>>51949125
This, if you were planning to go draft MM for snapcasters then you'd spend more than just on the singles.

>> No.51952398

>>51952357
probably not
removing the extra point of toughness makes it more vulnerable than you would think at first
and adding trample and G over (1) in the manacost would make playing it a log harder

>> No.51952617

>>51952316
you're a good guy, anon

>> No.51952663

>>51948627
AWESOME!!!
IoK goes perfect in my Duskmantle Mindcrank combo deck

>> No.51952730

>>51949750
>current rating?

Depends on it's printrun. If it's similiar to EMA, then a solid B+ so far.

>> No.51953003

>>51951744
And Craterhoof!

>> No.51953036

How disappointed should I be at how Snapacaster's flavor text wasn't "Oh snap!" and Stony Silence's wasn't "Nice topdeck bro, good game." on a scale from 1 to 10?

>> No.51953056

>>51952617
It's okay, because my goyfs are from the chinaman, sometimes they die a little easier to bolt.

>> No.51953144

Should have reprinted the Praetors instead of the miracle bulk rares

>> No.51953178

>>51951104
But it is a 2 dollar card thanks to conspiracy. It is already cheap.

>> No.51953207

>Bonfire reprint
You people do realize this card is absolutely game-breaking in Limited right? It's just as bad as Comet Storm in that you should never ever reprint it in a set you draft. This is Pack Rat/Jittle levels of power.

You cannot defend the decision to print this thing.

>> No.51953230

>>51953207
If you draw it/have it in your opener before turn 4-5 it's just a pyrohelix.

>> No.51953349

>>51953207
Don't even compare anything in limited to Pack Rat in a world of zero removal. Just don't. You can't win with Bonfire and 39 Mountains.

>> No.51953515

>>51953349
Pack Rat is overrated

>> No.51953524

>>51953207

no one cares for draft. everyone is just in for fetchlands and snapcaster.

>> No.51953534

>>51953515
I'd argue pack rat is the single best card in limited.

>> No.51953603

>>51953534
It's not

>> No.51953638

>>51953603
Name a better one. And btw I'd take a pack rat over a bonfire

>> No.51953696

>>51953638
Agree with you on that but I still don't think Pack Rat is the best limited card

>> No.51953706

>Was sitting on a playset of Might of Old Krosa
>nobody wants them because they're 4€ each
>it gets reprinted

I don't know how to feel about this

>> No.51953729

>>51953638
M14 Jace

>> No.51953738

>>51949750
>pauper tiny leader

topkek

>> No.51953758

>>51953638
Not that guy

p9 (excluding time twister) sol ring, jitte, library of Alexandria, mana crypt, mind twist, clamp, tnn, treachery

Heck, if you just wanted a card from a modern draft environment and not cube, I'd take jitte over pack rat p1p1 every time

>> No.51953778

>>51953706
You should feel as though Modern cards were massively overpriced in the first place, and you're being punished for speculating in a children's card game. Unless you got them cheap, in which case you haven't lost anything so shouldn't feel anything.

>>51953758
The sheer fact that Pack Rat + 39 Swamps could win drafts should tell you that it can't really be beaten in terms of power. You didn't actually need to build a deck to win. Like what do you want?

>> No.51953806

>>51953706
You should feel like a jerk, learn a lesson and never pretend you are the Wolf of Wall Street.

Play the fucking game and leave everybody else the fuck alone.

>> No.51953817

>>51953778
Pack Rat + 39 swamps is the stupidest meme ever

>> No.51953844

I see a lot of people talking about unbanning a lot of things, and being less regulatory of the meta
whats the reasoning behind this? What would the meta look like if they trimmed the banlist down? Would it be more diverse or converge into the same 2-3 decks?

>> No.51953873

>>51953817
You can laugh all you want but it won drafts. You only needed 3 lands to just drop another rat every turn.

>> No.51953897

>>51953873
Beating 3 idiots isn't too hard

>> No.51953903

>>51953844
Bannings have been used to evolve the meta, in lieu of actual new cards that create new archetypes.

>> No.51953925

>>51949750
So far the majority of the rares and uncommons look pretty good, which is about what I was hoping for. Mythics range from okay to terrible so far, but I'm not cracking these specifically to chase them so I don't care too much, and my mind will change if they reveal Liliana of the Goyf. The only thing I'm really worried about is my LGS charging out the ass for draft.

MM3 isn't MMA tier in terms of financial value yet, but considering you can actually draft and buy MM3 (and boxes for sub-MSRP), it's probably going to be the best MM overall.

>> No.51953993

>miracle cards getting a reprint
>in a format where miracles don't exist

>> No.51954042

>>51953207
3RR - Tribal Sorcery - Elemental
Choose one —
• Consuming Bonfire deals 4 damage to target non-Elemental creature.
• Consuming Bonfire deals 7 damage to target Treefolk creature.


>You people do realize this card is absolutely game-breaking in Limited right?
seems fine

>> No.51954044

>>51953993
The miracle is that Wizards have finally reprinted good cards.

>> No.51954076

>>51953207
>Limited
>paying $40 for an experience that you can just cube up with proxies
No one gives a SHIT about the limited experience.

>> No.51954085

>>51954076
Don't speak for everyone. I'm a draft only player and I love drafting the Masters sets

>> No.51954126

>>51954085
What a miserable existence you must live

>> No.51954146

>>51954085
>Masters sets
Sets with "Masters" in their name aren't in the least bit special you know. MM2 was a complete and utter failure in every criteria you want to throw at it.

>> No.51954152

>>51950784

Do people play Linvala in any format? Don't even see it in edh really

>> No.51954153

Gonna get into modern while prices are down a bit from MM17. What shoul I build between Goryo's and Valakut Breach ? Both are similar but Goryo's seems more fun while Valakut seems more consistent.

>> No.51954162

>>51954085
Get out of me general

>> No.51954189

>>51954146
I'll agree MM2 was a bit weak but the first one and eternal masters were both great draft experiences. It's also nice when you pull some expensive cards and trade it for a next draft

>> No.51954252

>>51949725
A MM3 pack costs 4 full meals in my country because "lol oil economy is all we need".

>> No.51954380

if they reprint goyf at rare im buying 2 boxes. i promise
>not that there will be any boxes left if so

>> No.51954415

>>51950489
Stop smoking that shit, Stoneforge is a Legacy staple and the most degenerate thing she ever does is "surprise" Batterskull blocks when she tutors for Jitte because you already have Batterskull in hand.

She doesn't do any real combo, and she's not some super powerfull engine like Deathrite Shaman. You've just drank the kool-aid.

>> No.51954416

>>51954380
I hope it isn't reprinted. The current price is reasonable. Give us another green mythic instead

>> No.51954418

>>51954189
>Eternal Masters was a great draft experience
Depends on who you ask

>> No.51954435

>>51954416

>> No.51954456

>>51951721
Not as soon as shit hits the street and the EV goes to $3 a booster.
Marsh Flats will be cheaper than Polluted Delta by Amonkhet pre-release and Path is the only uncommon that refuses to go down in price.

>> No.51954459

>>51954435
Vorinclex or Craterhoof would be pretty nice

>> No.51954473

>>51954459
not as nice as goyf. 100 dollars isnt reasonable whatsoever

>> No.51954487

>>51953349
Original Drana was close to the same levels of stupid.

>> No.51954490

>>51954456
>Marsh Flats will be cheaper than Polluted Delta by Amonkhet pre-release
You have NO idea how opened Khans was.

>> No.51954522

>>51954490
Marsh Flats will be cheaper than Polluted Delta by Amonkhet pre-release
Screencap this.

>> No.51954549

>>51952357
Chump blocking Goyf is the number one thing I hate as a Goyf player. I can't get enough Tarmogoyf. I also play Hooting Mandrills. Sometimes Mandrills is just better because of Trample.
Goyf would be outrageous with Trample. Yes the extra toughness loss could hurt him but other than RUG, most decks run GBx with him and can just kill things that are larger than him.

>> No.51954580

>>51953993
desu senpai this is seeing play in RG Ponza and that deck is doing decently right now

I get you though f a m

>> No.51954601

Hopefully we get a serum vision reprint to help set up miracle

>> No.51954635

>>51954522
You have no idea of what you are talking about.

>> No.51954667

>>51954635

Maybe they mean Marsh Flats is used in fewer decks than Polluted Delta, so its price is kept artificially higher due to a lack of recent printing, and so with a new printing people will be wanting to dump their Marsh Flats because few deck wants to run them.

>> No.51954670

>>51954635
Watch it happen fag.

>> No.51954691

>They reprinted Gargodon and Bridge from Below right around the time they'd have been creating Tormenting Voice, Neonate, and Amalgam

What could the reprinted Miracles imply, since they know things we don't know?

>> No.51954755

>>51954691
>The roulette wheel landed on 31, there MUST be a reason for this
Go die somewhere quietly.

>> No.51954782

>>51954691
Wizards officially stated that they didn't spot the Saheeli and Felidar Guardian combo in standard, and those sets were right next to each other. Do you seriously believe Wizards is capable of actually planning things out? If you want to know what happens when Wizards tries to do something on purpose, look at Eldrazi Winter.

>> No.51955218

>>51949121

I have been wanting to make this EDH deck. Hope I pull one AND ONLY FUCKING ONE

>> No.51955232

>>51955218
Just buy one?

>> No.51955251

>>51949168
AHAHAHAHA LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH

>> No.51955382

>>51954153
You nailed it, goryo's is fun as fuck but ultimately can suffer bad luck. Valakut is all around solid and doesn't shit out as much

>> No.51955412

>>51955232
Already ordered a box. There is a lot of shit I'd like to open but thats probably the one I'd hate to see more of, unless the rest of the rares turn out to be absolute garbage that is.

>> No.51955676

>>51948573
That was ages ago since they said back in MM1 they made goyf mythic to maintain his value.

>> No.51955764

>>51955676
>le necropost faec

>> No.51955818

>>51953207
>You cannot defend the decision to print this thing.
Modern Masters is a reprint set and designing it for draft is retarded.

There, defended.

>> No.51955822

>>51955764
>necroposting
>on 4chan
lol

>> No.51955925

>>51955822
But that's what they call it on the official forums. What do you call it here?

>> No.51955950

Well played (((Rosewater)))

>> No.51955964

>>51955925
>necropost
>after 15 minutes
I'm not entirely convinced you actually browse forums.

>> No.51955997

>>51955964
Last I check there was more than 15 minutes between 17:29pm and 00:33am.

>> No.51956005

>>51955251
He's saying they are giving us good uncommon but the price we pay is 2 more cards that are uncommon now will be printed as rares , but not these 2 you fucking mong

>> No.51956022

>>51955997
What the fuck

>> No.51956058

>>51956022
Did you even follow the chain of arrows? From >>51955676 to >>51948573 is what I was attempting to maymay about.

>> No.51956118

>>51950298
What is she used in? I have one floating around and no real home for her.

>> No.51956125

"Finally, we need to spread exciting cards across all the rarities and part of the shift was making sure mythic rare had its share of splash. With the enemy fetch lands and Damnation, rare was already high in excitement."

So... we can't have to much excitement? What happens when we go full excited?

>> No.51956140

>>51949121
Who zur doran deck here?

>> No.51956162

>>51956125
>What happens when we go full excited?
When people get too excited they buy sealed product, and Wizards has been trying their hardest in recent years to prevent people from buying sealed product.

>> No.51956167

>>51956118
Sometimes in abzan company instead of the normal loop, it's just a 2 card combo

>> No.51956189

>>51956125
So no more good rares. Yeah exactly what I've been saying.

>> No.51956220

>>51949486
Reminds me of the first one, and at least it's better than the second one.

>> No.51956247

>>51949642
>>cyclonic rift
Would help best format

>> No.51956262

>>51956247
This can't be real right?

>> No.51956296

>>51956005
>shifting uncommons to rare in MM

Okay buddy

>> No.51956307

>>51956296
Why not you filthy fucking goy?

>> No.51956328

>>51956262
It's real. It isn't in MM17, but it's real.

>> No.51956332

>>51956307
Because they fucking haven't. You are complaining about the one time they did in Conspiracy and that was much more of a draft set than MM. MM is a draft set, but a large portion of it is based on what is in need of reprinting or what is used in modern.

>> No.51956333

>>51950060
Duh

>> No.51956379

Since we're talking about goyf, anyone have a good full art of him. I remember there was some site for it but I can't find it

>> No.51956405

>>51950124
Tarmagoy is just a 2 Mana 3/4 a lot of times

>> No.51956429

>>51950378
That would be nice
Give hate a little love

>> No.51956443

>>51956379
What do you mean by full art, the source image?

>> No.51956452

>>51950448
Stop playing affinity, jackass.

>> No.51956464

>>51956443
Yes, the full version of the art used for the card.

Like this.

>> No.51956489

>>51956464
http://ryanbarger.net/uploads/3/4/1/0/34103769/1280780_orig.jpg

>> No.51956511

>>51956379
Here you go I made it myself

>> No.51956513

>>51956262
It's from planechase he probably means CMDR is the best format

>> No.51956521

>>51956489
thanks

>> No.51956527

Very nice

>> No.51956547

>>51956527
Fucking finally

>> No.51956559

>>51956527
Spoilers ended for the day, nice shopping though.

>> No.51956567

>>51956521
You can also go here to get an even closer look at certain parts of the true original art, but there's a watermark. What sort of asshole unironically makes 7200 x 4905 images anyways? Ryan Barger apparently.

http://pixels.com/featured/tarmogoyf-reprint-ryan-barger.html

>> No.51956578

>>51956489

>> No.51956611

>>51956527
Where did you see this?

>> No.51956669

>>51956527
Too bad the artv is still shit.

>> No.51956671

>>51956578
He's only going to make a fake MM17 version of the card at rare you know.

>> No.51956708

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>>51956704
>>51956704
>>51956704

>> No.51957424

>>51955676
Here you go senpai, the image that sums it up

>> No.51957486

>>51954459
Get your fucking edh cancer out of my modern set

>> No.51958199

>>51954152
Your EDH meta isn't cutthroat or creature activated ability based then. Linvala shuts down mana dorks and certain commanders like Scion or Yisan out.

>> No.51958818

>>51956332
Aether Vial says hello

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