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>> No.51932402

>>51932327

Well my mother is the queen of the land... however she's also EVERYONE's mother so that's kinda cheating.

>> No.51932419

Reposting from >>51932400 because it came in just a second too late:

So.

Thinking I might retool a character I once submitted to dragon game (the first time around) as basically a demesne-dwelling bancho--complete with the outfit.

I've got most of what I want in mind already (including plenty of skill points in stuff like sewing and cooking to contrast with the tough guy image), but what say you on this, /pfg/?

Should this draconic delinquent be a man or a woman?

>> No.51932445

>>51932419

both, or neither

>> No.51932454

>>51932419
Be a guy.

>> No.51932515

>>51932445
Hm, perhaps refluffed oni-spawn who uses their daily spell-like to masquerade as the opposite sex?

Or maybe something with a vigilante dip.

>> No.51932542

>>51932327
He does. She's a whore. He hates her for being a whore and by association hates all whores and calistrians. She is sad about this.

>> No.51932604

>>51932350
Can someone good with spheres tell me if the Nimbus Focus drawback actually requires you to take a Nimbus talent with the talent it grants? Because it just says you can't take any Nimbus talents EXCEPT with the talent granted by the drawback, but not that the talent it grants must be a Nimbus Talent. Is that just a typo on the Spheres Wiki and the RAI is what I think it's supposed to be?
>three talents if I want to Blacklight AND Glory Encompassing Light if it's true
Not being a fullcaster in spheres is suffering

>> No.51932734

>>51932515
Tiefling yes, but just use #83

>> No.51932838

Reposting to prevent rusecruises from setting sail.

Hello! News from WotR GM(RgPl).

He will not posting his results on /pfg/. He will posting his selections on roll20, and anything that appears on here is likely false.

"[14:18] <~RgPl> I won't be posting any selections onto /pfg/, just roll20
[14:18] <~RgPl> When people drop their selections into thread it just gets turned into a shitstorm"

In the meantime, happy waiting and good luck to all applicants!

>more info
GM is currently figuring out timezone shenanigans, which is going to take a while. Don't expect anything soon.

>> No.51932889

>>51932838
>timezone shenanigans
Being disqualified due to an incompatible schedule is probably the most painful way to get rejected. This is why its often ideal for the GM to decide the schedule in advance.

>> No.51932907

>>51932889
Painful precisely because it's just too real.
Like, you can understand perfectly, and it's unavoidable...but that kinda makes it cut deeper.

>> No.51932934

>>51932445
>>51932454
>>51932734
So far there's 2 votes for dude, 1 vote for neither, 2 votes for futa

Anybody care to be tie-breaker?

>> No.51932954

>>51932934

Go for the inbetween. Play for both teams! be a fifth edition elf!

>> No.51932988

>>51932954
How sad that we're not actually playing 5e.

>> No.51933095

>>51932934

we meme about it all the time, but you know what? Do it faggot. GM's a cool guy, probably would let you

>> No.51933113

So! How was your weekend, /pfg/? Do anything fun or exciting, game-related or otherwise?

>> No.51933118

>>51932327
I NEED CITY ENCOUNTER IDEAS FOR A LOW LEVEL PARTY THAT'S HAD A COUPLE OF BIG FIGHTS ON THE ROAD.

CITY IS ON THE TOP OF A GREAT BIG WATERFALL AND SITUATED NEXT TO THE LAKE THAT FEEDS THE FALLS.

I WAS THINKING SOMETHING WITH HEARTWARMING STREET-KIDS

>> No.51933133

>>51933118
Heartwarming YOUKAI KITSUNE street kids!

>> No.51933180

>>51932419
What's your build? Are you a Merciful Shibui paladin, or a Neutral Shabazo ninja?

>> No.51933185

>>51933118
The party finds a mysterious young boy who is just a halfling that happens to be a vigilante. He has a human child for his Vigilante Identity.

>> No.51933189

Been making some vague attempts at getting some kind of character design down for my Dragons 2 submission. It's really loose, sketchy and lacking a lot of detail but here's what I've got so far.

I'm thinking I might make her build a little more athletic looking, while I'm a huge fan of the whole 'delicate frame hiding retarded amounts of strength' thing I'm sure everyone can appreciate a slightly more toned frame. If this gets through I'm rather looking forward to updating this design as she works towards her goals of becoming the huge dragon queen that she longs to be.

>> No.51933212

So, what games are still recruiting that don't look like bamboozles?

>> No.51933226

>>51933133
WHAT DO THE STREET KIDS DO?

>>51933185
THIS IS GOOD, IT WILL BE A GNOME FOR REASONS THOUGH...

>> No.51933244

>>51933189
She looks like a fucking pineapple head.

>> No.51933254

>>51933118
Street performers running interference as a distraction for pick pickets. Dozens of pick pockets.

>> No.51933272

>>51933189
>>51933244
You're a pineapple head.

In all seriousness, the idea is that the hair is supposed to look like those crests that white dragons have, I may end up abandoning the look altogether if I can't make it to look better by the end though.

>> No.51933285

>>51933118
Somehow a strange aquatic creature that lives in the lake has been sneaking into the bathhouses and stealing shit.

The PCs find it on the run from a nearby bathhouse, pursued by a few angry patrons.

>> No.51933288

>>51933254
party has no rogue or really keen-eyed player.

technically the highest spot goes to either the Druids Bat or the Barbarian

>> No.51933306

>>51933285
You mean a merboy!

>> No.51933318

>>51933113
Pretty good!

Had fun ripping and tearing my way through goblins and reviewing pornography in SotJR.

Sadly my Sunday game got cancelled due to the GM working late; but he gave us another puzzle to solve and we had some excellent RP time.

>> No.51933353

> posted this in last thread but reposting just one time for a second opinion

I've just unleashed a plague in the city where the characters live. One of them owns a tavern and the others kinda revolve around it, either working there or performing there or hanging out in the street nearby... they all have some link to it. So they've been fighting a cult which has now just unleashed a weaponized super-charged plague onto the city. Now, I want this plague to be actually deadly. Not the stupid-ass diseases in Pathfinder, like the zombie plague in the bestiary that I figured out only has like a 1 in 1000 chance of killing a commoner. I want this plague to be basically Ebola or the Black Plague. It will wipe out the city if not stopped and might even kill a PC or two. I want it to be cold and cruel and really fuck up the PCs.

So here's what I have so far:

>Caster level check against DC 20 is required for cure disease to work on a victim.
>Incubation 3 days, frequency 1 per day for saves

I set the Fortitude DC at 18 but might raise it to 20. For a commoner with a +0 Fort save, though, that cuts the chance of survival to one third of what it was before, though. Two consecutive saves to cure the disease. Considered 3 but that felt almost too frustrating. And it deals Con and Str damage. My biggest question is, how much of each should it deal? At first I felt like going big for 1d6. But that might way too much. I am currently thinking 1d4. I know that's big for disease but keep in mind I seriously want to risk this disease killing a party member. Like a 50% chance that at least one of the six PCs will die. They are 4th level so decent saves. So maybe 1d4+1? is that "legal"? I dunno.

What do you guys think? I really want disease to be a real danger for once, not just some annoying inconvenience.

>> No.51933370

>>51933288
Even better. Upgrade the dozens to hundreds as the party are easy and extremely rich marks. Teach that the meaning of "didn't plan ahead".

>> No.51933372

>>51933118
You ever read The Lies of Locke Lamora?

The street kids are thieves, but very trained and theatrical thieves. They've come to believe that adventurers who walk into town make great marks, not knowing the place, carrying treasures, and often not checking their pockets until they're back on the road. The kids run an elaborate con, faking a side quest for the adventurer's to take which is just an elaborate distraction while they pilfer their goods.

>> No.51933433

>>51933372
>The Lies of Locke Lamora
and the following 2 books...

and that might be a bit complicated for the group, it's almost exclusively newbies

>>51933370
>extremely rich marks
nope, poor as dirt.
that was my intention.

>>51933285
perhaps yes this...

>> No.51933443

>>51933353
1 in 1000 chance for a zombie plague to kill a commoner? It takes 5 to 10 days to kill a commoner, and a commoner has to roll 11+ on a fort save twice in a row to be cured. There isn't a 999 out of 1000 chance that in a sample size of 10 you will roll 11+ twice consecutively.

>> No.51933488

How do you handle tieflings and helmets/hats?

>> No.51933518

>>51933488
They have helmets/hats designed with their horns in mind, assumedly.

>> No.51933524

>>51933488
It juz works

>> No.51933564

>>51933180
Well, thanks for making me look up Kenka Bancho to figure out what the fuck you were saying.

But the first half of my gestalt is Scaled Fist, and the other's probably going to be some kind of caster.

>> No.51933569

>>51933113
First game was okay, nothing actually felt like it got done. Mostly disappointed in myself for my own lack of initiative due to bad habits.

Second game had a few bumps, but we're rapidly approaching the end of a book and the halfway mark of the AP. I'm most excited for what'll happen between books, considering I'm "the crafting guy" and will need to get with the other players/the GM to dole out loot, divide up my downtime for crafting, and keep another player from killing my character's newly awakened "daughter", which are all going to be very fun and not at all headache inducing. I suppose there's also the small matter of trying to bug the GM about trying to fix the smoking remains of the homebrew he had me set up for myself, but I'm taking it one step at a time.
Game #3 has unfortunately been dead for weeks, and a "Bonus Oneshot" someone proposed to me hasn't panned out.

>> No.51933602

>>51933488
Depends entirely on the kind of tiefling. Most tieflings do not have horns.

>> No.51933610

>>51933518

Even the looted ones?

>> No.51933624

>>51933610
It juz works ok?

>> No.51933637

So guys: doing an E. scion and War Kineticist+ Roil dancer/kinetic knight x Fighter gestalt. I have thrashing dragon, Mithral Current, and elemental flux. I'm thinking of combining M. current and T. dragon because Im planning on TWFing with an actual sword and a kinetic blade.

The build is a STR/CON, heavy armor wearing guy. I know I need Prodigious TWF to qualify for the TWF Feats, but what else do I need?

>> No.51933642

From what we have heard from the avowed's two writers, a few things are on the metaphorical chopping block, ready to be downgraded: the nation pact's 4th-level empowerment, some facets of the self pact, aether channel's second purchase, and the Overcharge Modulation feat.

Let us see what can be done with a 5th-level avowed at the moment. One set of options I had overlooked earlier is the Avowed 1 PDF's maenad FCB, and the Avowed 2 playtest's new penitent race and damnation feats; I will be using those in this build.

If I have committed any errors in this build, please point such out.

Level: 5th
Race: Penitent (Humble origins [+2 Dexterity and Intelligence], tempting visage)
Class: Avowed (undead [lich] pact, betrothed); note that the lich pact betrothed empowerments have yet to be written, but we do not need any for this build

Betrothed Key Ability Score: Dexterity 23 = base 18 + racial 2 + level advancement 1 + enhancement 2
Companion Key Ability Score: Dexterity 21 = base 16 + form 2 + level advancement 1 + enhancement 2

Key Equipment: Belt of incredible dexterity +2 (4,000 gp each) ×2

Traits:
Combat: Reactionary
Race: Reborn (maenad)
Social: Student of Philosophy

Betrothed Feats:
Penitent: Hellfire Talent
1st-level: Fiendskin
Avowed 2: Soldier of Misfortune
3rd-level: Point Blank Shot
5th-level: Precise Shot

Companion Feats:
1st-level: Hellfire Talent
3rd-level: Fiendskin
5th-level: Soldier of Misfortune

Shapes: Aether barrage ×4, shared by the companion

Least Clauses: Any five, shared by the companion

Initiative:
6 Dexterity modifier
+2 Reactionary
Total: +8, and the companion acts on the betrothed's initiative count

Aether Barrage Attacks:
1 attack from BAB
1 attack from aether barrage's second purchase
Total Attacks: 2

Range: 100 feet + 50 feet from caster level = 130 feet

Betrothed Aether Barrage Attack Bonus:
3 BAB
+6 Dexterity modifier
+2 Hellfire Talent
+1 Small size
Total: +12/+12, targets touch AC

>> No.51933648

>>51933488
Magic helmets are magic, regular helmets don't provide any mechanical benefit so I just say they're not wearing a looted helmet but suffer no actual penalty.

>> No.51933650

>>51933610
ESPECIALLY the looted ones!

>> No.51933655

>>51933642

Betrothed Aether Barrage Damage:
3d4 betrothed aether pulse
+6 Dexterity modifier
+3 Hellfire Talent
+2 maenad FCB
Total: 3d4+11 (average 18.5)

Companion Aether Barrage Attack Bonus:
3 BAB
+5 Dexterity modifier
+2 Hellfire Talent
+1 Small size
+1 aetheric strikes
Total: +12/+12, targets touch AC

Betrothed Aether Barrage Damage:
3d4 companion aether pulse
+5 Dexterity modifier
+3 Hellfire Talent
+1 aetheric strikes
Total: 3d4+9 (average 16.5)

Initiative +8. The betrothed and their companion act on the same initiative account and launch four 150-foot ranged touch attacks at +12/+12/+12/+12. Sadly, the companion lacks Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot, but the attacks will probably land regardless. If all four attacks are regular hits, that will result in an average of 70 damage, enough to kill a typical CR 6:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3

None of this takes any prep time or resource expenditures at all.

Other highlights of the build include:
• Fiendskin: Given the right outsider, resist 5 cold, resist 5 electricity, and fire immunity
• Soldier of Misfortune: 20 rounds of fast healing 1 each day, permanent immunity to possession and mental control from good creatures or objects, damage reduction 5/cold iron and magic *or* damage reduction 5/magic and silver.
• Five least clauses, which can be like hidden knowledge (+6 bonus to all Knowledge checks and make them untrained), sightseer (see in all darkness perfectly and see invisiblity), or silver tongue (+6 bonus to Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate checks)

The avowed is still looking to be quite an outlier amongst tier 3 classes thanks to this damage stacking. Can any other 5th-level characters kill an average CR 6 so easily, with no prep time and no resource expenditures, while having the same utility as the avowed and all their clauses?

>> No.51933671

>>51933610
Most tieflings don't have horns.

Also armor you look doesn't just automatically fit. Heavy armor has to be fitted to you.n

>> No.51933683

>>51933642
>>51933655
Whats this betrothed thing anyway?
Some sort of early access leadership thing?

>> No.51933687

>>51933318
>Had fun ripping and tearing my way through goblins and reviewing pornography in SotJR.

I'm honestly kicking myself for suggesting Onryou and Seht take Ameiko instead of offering Val to do it. I only realized this morning that it would have been a prime opportunity to bring the Vilderavn out to play.

>> No.51933691

>>51933642
>Aether Channel's second purchase
>nerfing the fun part of the shape instead of just altering the bonus damage

You can't convince me that this is going to be a good change no matter how you try

>> No.51933701

>>51933113
got stuck trying to fight through the goblin infested glassworks with my character, while i was on my phone, at work interrupted by needy customers, and unable to see any maps with my combat basically regulated to "run up and hit the closest one." with the GM doing my rolls for me.

Frankly i might as well not attempted to participate. i was positively livid that the majority of the session i really couldn't participate in any meaningful way. Not for lack of trying.

>> No.51933731

>>51933113
Had a movie day/night. Watched John Wick, John Wick 2, The Double, and Being John Malkovich.

>> No.51933752

>>51933683
Basically you cut your blast damage in half to give that half to a very very light eidolon that gains your clauses and the two of you adventure together. It takes a lot of the clauses you get and makes them require that the two of you work together to use them, or that if you use A then your betrothed can only use A this turn, and vice versa.
It's the waifu archetype.

>> No.51933755

>>51932889
Oh, I don't know, being selected and then not receiving an invite is pretty harsh.

>> No.51933758

>>51933642
>>51933655

Also, aether barrage's fourth purchase makes the aether pulse ignore all miss chances, so not even concealment will save the target from being pummeled with aether channel rays.

>>51933683

The betrothed archetype gives you a mini-avowed companion to work alongside.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rV7kaF9JL2gw9xQalkEnlEDL9WXtbsaCqNABm_pLIgc/edit#heading=h.hsux1yxhmm96

>> No.51933760

>>51933637
Why Mithril Current? Dual Wielding and draw-cuts don't really seem like the most obvious combo.

>> No.51933783

>>51933687
It certainly would have.

Although, Val being too shell-shocked to think of it also makes a good deal of sense.

>> No.51933784

>>51933731
Lots of John, huh?

>> No.51933820

>>51933113
...well, we had THAT scene.

And now we're never going to live it down.

>> No.51933869

>>51933113
My party and I valiantly faced off against a Gug savant and a swarm of over 10 Mi-go with both myself (dwarven cleric) and our human kineticist giving our lives for our brethren.

I fell aiding my Paladin brother using shield other to mitigate his damage as he took on the entire swarm freeing the kineticist from the grasp of a Mi-Go with my final action.

Free from their grasp the kineticist used his power to throw the paladin into a narrow side passage before being consumed by the ravenous horde allowing the surviving party members to funnel the enemy and find victory after a gruelling battle.

>> No.51933878

>>51933820

you guys kinda needed THAT scene. To help your characters come together. at the genitals

>> No.51933901

>tfw someone uses this as a portrait

>> No.51933904

What's a good way to punch spells into someone? I'm looking at Eldritch Scion, but not really feeling it as a good other side to my gestalt.

>> No.51933906

>>51933878
>To help your characters cum together.

>> No.51933919

>>51933820
I still find it hilarious that Saboten had no involvement in that scene whatsoever, and was instead out shopping with her daughterus/imoutos.

>> No.51933926

>>51933901
Seems legit to me. What's the problem?

>> No.51933942

>>51933113
I ended up making a stand against a group of werewolves so my party members could get away. I ended up being chased through a frozen forest without my weapon and no armor. My party got away. I had a really bad time.

>> No.51933958

>>51933226
>WHAT DO THE STREET KIDS DO?
They are literal foxes that can change into kids! Why don't they live in a forest? Maybe they are too weak and scrawny or the younger sibling is sick? They probably know lots of places that only foxes can get into.

>>51933189
>I'm a huge fan of the whole 'delicate frame hiding retarded amounts of strength'
Truly a man of taste. Little girls and slender ladies being super strong is my fetish.

>> No.51933961

>>51933760
Technically the whole "sheathed" thing just means "weapon is held in a non-threatening way." Like a spear with the tip in the ground, a man with his hands in his pockets, a bow with the string not drawn, or, yes, a sword in its sheath. How well the mechanics match up to the fluff is another discussion. Anyways, I'm thinking of using M. current primarily for the counters, with thrashing dragon being the main source of damage. I'll have it fluffed very specifically- the guy having two different forms for his kinetic blade: a parrying form like a parrying dagger, and an offense form like a saber that he uses to TWF. How does that sound?

>> No.51933963

>>51933655
>>51933642
You're forgetting to account for the fact that said character is Damned twicefold (even with Pentient granting a free [Damnation] feat), meaning that said character is very much in-danger of getting killed and unable to return without effort, alongside enforcing an alignment change that might not be enjoyed by the player. These sorts of things can't be ignored in actual play, even though they might be in a white-room scenario such as this.

>> No.51933980

>>51933901
Mobage have been a great boon for the tabletop community.

>> No.51933997

>>51933958

More food to be found in cities with less depredadors. Every critter is doing it nowadays.

>> No.51934030

>spellstrike is OP because you multiply the spell on a crit
Have you ever wanted to choke someone through a monitor, /pfg/?

>> No.51934057

>child picks my character's pocket
>takes my coin purse
>carry around 50gp on my person in various coinage
>GM expects me to forgive him as a lovable scamp
>I backhand the child hard enough to knock it unconscious
>GM freaks out
>party freaks out
>tell them I take the kid a post in the market where the baron's guards lounge about at to wait for fights/riots/etc to break up
>drop unconscious kid off, telling them he stole from me

Not my problem anymore. Kid told me if I answered his riddle he'd give back my purse. I answered it with a mailed fist.

>> No.51934063

>>51933901
#BlameTakumi
In all seriousness though, Takumi makes a great example for being an Eldritch Archer Magus. Special weapon that only he can use, Expeditious Retreat and Dimension Door for his movement bullshit, and so on. Maybe he can multiclass into Hawkguard Warder in order to attack at close-range too and get some extra options at his disposal for when he doesn't want to use spells.

>> No.51934072

>>51934057
kek

>> No.51934075

>>51934030
>magus is broken because it can cast and attack!
>it shouldn't have more interesting arcana, because it already has spellcasting!
>the magus can't get new arcana that are equivalent to sphere talents, even though they compete for literally the EXACT SAME FUCKING RESOURCE POOL

Yes, yes I have

>> No.51934091

>>51934057

That will teach him!

>> No.51934095

>>51933958
So if a little girl turned out to be a BBEG in disguise I'll have entered your magical realm?

>> No.51934099

Vialla here!

I created a spreadsheet for available times for WotR! See who you are compatible with!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EL92DzaleI6g51law9H8p6OO1DYw7sm5DkDqd2EOEQQ/edit?usp=sharing

>> No.51934102

>>51933961
That's a pretty sexy idea then, as for feats that you need I can't think of anything other than the usual TWF feats,

>>51933958
>Little girls and slender ladies being super strong is my fetish.
Same, although part of the plan is for her to become larger as the game progresses and grow up from being the tiny dragon girl to thicc dragon queen. Of course, that is also my fetish so it's kind of a win win for me.

Though considering I'm competing with characters like sexy female Gilgamesh I'm not sure that's going to end up happening.

>> No.51934103

>>51933963

>said character is very much in-danger of getting killed and unable to return without effort
The benefits of Fiendskin and Soldier of Fortune help the character not get killed in the first place. Never mind that the character has maxed-out Dexterity, Small size, and another body on the field to take hits.

How often do your characters get killed that "This character cannot be resurrected short of a true resurrection" is an actual drawback? Never mind that, from a pragmatic perspective, it simply means that the character's arc has ended, and it is time to field a new character.

>enforcing an alignment change
Funnily enough, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from undoing the alignment change. There is no "And the character can never become good-aligned ever again" stipulation. Even if there was, "The character cannot be good-aligned" is one of the shoddiest balancing factors possible.

>> No.51934112

>>51934057
You didn't break his wrists for stealing and let him fend for himself? What a faggot.

>> No.51934129

>>51934099
I'm impressed, and a little bit unnerved.

>> No.51934136

>>51934057
fuck off, your GM probably wanted the kid to be an NPC. players like you are cancer

>> No.51934145

>>51934103
Nothing to be said about balance, just that even if that's effective, it's not necessarily the direction a player might want their character to take. Although at least this time around, Pentient instead of Small Tiefling makes sense.

>> No.51934157

I heard the DM of WotR isn't selecting anybody because it would just create a shitstorm?

>> No.51934164

>>51934112
Not my place. Dropped him off at the local authority figure to let them punish him. I don't have the time, energy, nor inclination to dish out vigilante justice.

>> No.51934172

>>51934102
Thanks! I just need help picking good maneuvers. Probably gonna invest all my counters into M. current, and take my stances and strikes from Dragon. I can also fluff the character as "wielding the storm," because E. Scion grants air and electric blasts at level 1, and I can get a conductive weapon at 5th, which allows me to have a kinetic blade made of air and send electricity through my sword to zap people with!

>> No.51934173

>>51934099
Francisca here, it turns out that due to one of my games ending, my Saturdays are now free!

>> No.51934193

>>51934157
They aren't saying who got chosen in the thread itself; watch the Roll20 instead to learn who gets chosen.

>> No.51934196

>>51934173
Sheet has been edited to reflect this.

>> No.51934203

>>51934136
>Get pickpocketed for an amount equal to a yearly wage for some peasants
>Expected to laugh it off with a riddle contest when the thief gets caught
News Flash, thieves are dicks and deserve what they get. Sob stories about being some street urchin aside, this is a perfectly viable response. That cute little scamp is just going to grow up to think the world owes him and get bitter when his cuteness can't carry him anymore, then end up knifing someone else in an alley.

>> No.51934209

>>51934157
Allegedly we'll have results tonight, he's just not posting it on /pfg/ because he wants to avoid a shitstorm.

Someone will though and it's gonna happen anyways. I'm very disappointed we're not already shitposting about it, I've been following this game for a month and a half in hopes that it'd be the one to shit all over the place.

>> No.51934222

>>51933904
Well, if you're a gestalt, what was your first side?
Also, 3pp or no?

>> No.51934225

>>51934145

This is questionable for game balance, then, because it means that players who are fine with playing truly damned avowed have an *enormous* edge over those who are not fine with such.

Few other classes are *that* much better off by being damned.

>> No.51934238

>>51934057
>refers to street urchin as "it"

>> No.51934250

>>51934145
>Small Tieflings are less crazy than literal RETURNED FROM HELL guys

>> No.51934285

>>51934238
>reading comprehension
'it' is clearly referring to the riddle while the urchin is called 'child' 'kid' and 'he'

>> No.51934309

>>51934285
>>I backhand the child hard enough to knock it unconscious
I don't think he knocked a riddle unconscious

>> No.51934312

new pfsrd layout blows holy fuck

what is he thinking?

>> No.51934340

Just because you've caught something nasty, why do you have to wander about breathing over everyone?

>> No.51934369

>>51934312
>what is he thinking?
Coupled with the extended shitshow that was the server migration, I can only assume he was thinking "Gee, more people should start using Archives of Nethys!"

>> No.51934399

>>51934312
>tons of third party shit that didn't properly migrate
fucking christ why are so many online pnp services eating shit lately

>> No.51934429

What are some nations that don't get enough love as PC homelands? Everyone seems to be from Minkai or Cheliax.

>> No.51934447

Is Rubato any good? I'm considering one over normal bard because I want to be more martial than magic but I'm not convinced giving up Bard spells is worth partial initiating

>> No.51934475

>>51934369
>>51934399
Clearly Paizo is at fault somehow.

>> No.51934477

>>51934429
Irrisen

>> No.51934483

>>51934209

The saltstorm from these games have always been meager things, if anything the most salt is generated when the hype is building up for characters.

>> No.51934507

>>51934429
Realm of the Mammoth Lords
Lastwall
Sargava
Thuvia
Any River Kingdom that isn't Mivon
Isger
The Five Kings Mountains

>> No.51934528

Daily reminder that it is not an innately evil or morally wrong act to cause a mortal to suffer, as mortals grow stronger when made to suffer.

>> No.51934542

>>51934507
to be fair, Thuvia has fuckall going on aside from sun orchid

>> No.51934564

>>51934369
>migration
>half the content didn't even migrate
I've already spotted close to 150 missing pages in the 30 minutes of casual browsing I did before my session on Saturday. I can only assume the functionality of the old site will probably never be restored.

>> No.51934570

>>51934528
Just because things turned out alright doesn't mean you don't get punished for your crimes.

>> No.51934614 [SPOILER] 

>>51932327
He does, in fact, have a mother!

She's disowned him along with the rest of his country, all because he did something dumb and reckless for a tween crush.

His camel is his only friend now.

>> No.51934629

>>51934447
Nex

>> No.51934652

>>51934528

>> No.51934659

>>51933118
Local pet Otyugh acting as city-backed garbage disposal!

>> No.51934665

>>51933997
So make them tanuki! New Bloodfroge update (in the OP) gives us tanuki as kitsune subtype. Taunki are weeb raccoons after all a nd those are pretty iconic city critters.

>>51934095
I like disproportionate physical strength but being generally powerful also works so... I guess? A little?

>>51934102
>the plan is for her to become larger as the game progresses and grow up from being the tiny dragon girl to thicc dragon queen
Little did he know that I ALSO like that! Though my threshold for thickness is rather low.

>>51934225
>players who are fine with playing truly damned avowed have an *enormous* edge
>truly damned
>enormous edge

Was that intentional?

>> No.51934669

>>51932402

Man, things are a tad too "close" in The Demesne. You know what i mean? like you're just a skip hop and a jump from accidentally fucking your cousin.

>> No.51934693

>>51934669
>accidentally

>> No.51934694

>>51934669
...and that's...bad?

Maybe there's just a cantrip or cheap one-use magic item everybody has access to that makes sure you don't accidentally bang someone too closely related.

Like Iceland.

>> No.51934707

>>51934528
Daily reminder that causing suffering is just as pointless as bringing joy, for the numbness of oblivion awaits all.

>> No.51934722

>>51932327
His birth mother's long since dead, but he got adopted by another! She doesn't really talk to anyone in the party but him, and she's not as powerful as she used to be, but she's still pretty sharp and to the point. She's a sword. His mother is a sword.

>> No.51934733

>>51934222
My other side is going to be Scaled Fist.
3pp is on a case-by-case basis, though Path of War is allowed, for whatever that's worth.

>> No.51934754

>>51934669
Dragons inbreed a lot anyway don't they?

>> No.51934786

>>51934693
>>51934694

Direct children of the Queen can have sex with each other and produce children with absolutely no ill effects. Her highly mutated form sort of acts as a genetic randomizer. Her own genes don't even factor into the equation, she just gives them what fits at the time. So if its a dragon, The queen can give birth to it. It could even be completely different than the conceiving father, though that's a bit rare.

Its when you get into subsequent generations when things get scary.

>> No.51934867

>>51933642

Here is a 9th-level version of the build. Even without Overcharge Modulation, it can still one-turn-kill an average CR 16 monster with a very high success rate, which is absolutely insane.

Level: 9th
Race: Penitent (Humble origins [+2 Dexterity and Intelligence], tempting visage)
Class: Avowed (undead [lich] pact, betrothed); note that the lich pact betrothed empowerments have yet to be written, but we do not need any for this build

Betrothed Key Ability Score: Dexterity 30 = base 18 + racial 2 + level advancement 2 + enhancement 4 + Tiny vermin 4
Companion Key Ability Score: Dexterity 26 = base 16 + form 2 + level advancement 2 + enhancement from resonance 2 + Tiny vermin 4

Key Equipment: Belt of incredible dexterity +4 (16,000 gp), cracked pale green prism ioun stone (4,000 gp each) ×2

Traits:
Combat: Reactionary
Race: Reborn (maenad)
Social: Student of Philosophy

Betrothed Feats:
Penitent: Hellfire Talent
1st-level: Fiendskin
Avowed 2: Soldier of Misfortune
3rd-level: Point Blank Shot
5th-level: Precise Shot
7th-level: Steel's Betrayal
9th-level: Improved Initiative

Companion Feats:
1st-level: Hellfire Talent
3rd-level: Fiendskin
5th-level: Soldier of Misfortune
7th-level: Weapon Focus (aether pulse)
9th-level: Steel's Betrayal

Shapes: Aether barrage ×4, aether cascade, aether retaliation; shared by the companion

Least Clauses: Any three, shared by the companion
Lesser Clauses: Insectile transformation plus any other five, shared by the companion

Initiative:
10 Dexterity modifier
+2 Reactionary
+4 Improved Initiative
Total: +16, and the companion acts on the betrothed's initiative count

Aether Barrage Attacks:
2 attack from BAB
1 attack from aether barrage's second purchase
Total Attacks: 3

Range: 100 feet + 90 feet from caster level = 190 feet

>> No.51934889

>>51934867

Betrothed Aether Barrage Attack Bonus:
6 BAB
+10 Dexterity modifier
+2 Hellfire Talent
+2 Tiny size
+1 cracked pale green prism ioun stone
-6 Steel's Betrayal
Total: +15/+15/+10, targets touch AC, ignores miss chances

Betrothed Aether Barrage Damage:
5d4 betrothed aether pulse
+10 Dexterity modifier
+5 Hellfire Talent
+4 maenad FCB
+12 Steel's Betrayal
Total: 5d4+31 (average 43.5)

Companion Aether Barrage Attack Bonus:
6 BAB
+8 Dexterity modifier
+2 Hellfire Talent
+2 Tiny size
+1 cracked pale green prism ioun stone
+2 aetheric strikes
+1 Weapon Focus
-6 Steel's Betrayal
Total: +16/+16/+11, targets touch AC, ignores miss chances

Betrothed Aether Barrage Damage:
5d4 companion aether pulse
+8 Dexterity modifier
+5 Hellfire Talent
+2 aetheric strikes
+12 Steel's Betrayal
Total: 5d4+27 (average 39.5)

Initiative +16. The betrothed and their companion act on the same initiative account and launch six 190-foot ranged touch attacks at +15/+15/+10/+16/+16/+11, ignoring miss chances. Sadly, the companion still lacks Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot, but again, the attacks will probably land regardless. If all six attacks are regular hits, that will result in an average of 249 damage, enough to kill a typical CR 16:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3

I do not know about you, but considering that none of this takes any prep time or resource expenditures, it is remarkable for such a 9th-level non-full-spellcaster to be slaying a CR 16 with no hassle at all.

>> No.51934890

So I have removed the outer planes from my setting. Previously I talked on here about my dwarves, trolls, goblinoids, and dragons. Also about the fact that instead of having normal outsiders I have 9 different kinds of native outsider, one for each alignment type.

Now I sort of want to talk about religion in the setting.

Spirit and Saint worship is where the vast majority of clerics get their power. It is extremely uncommon for a cleric to be powered by the main deity of a religion, and the whole world has only 3 real major religions. However different sects, cults, etc. of religions can worship the same god with different alignments and domains, sort of aspects along the same theme.

Saints, spirits, etc. form pantheons of demigods most clerics draw power from.

The main religion that has a monotheistic deity has 100 some odd saints, a dozen avatars, dozens of dedicated term used to describe natural spirit/concept/personification in service to the god and more that you can draw power from. Most of them honestly just have their name/domains/alignment rather than a full blurb.

How would you feel about this as a player?

>> No.51934914

>>51934889

Other highlights of the build include:
• Fiendskin: Given the right outsider, resist 5 cold, resist 5 electricity, and fire immunity
• Soldier of Misfortune: 20 rounds of fast healing 1 each day, permanent immunity to possession and mental control from good creatures or objects, damage reduction 5/cold iron and magic *or* damage reduction 5/magic and silver.
• Three least clauses, which can be like hidden knowledge (+6 bonus to all Knowledge checks and make them untrained), sightseer (see in all darkness perfectly and see invisiblity), or silver tongue (+6 bonus to Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate checks)
• Five other lesser clauses, which can be like airspace control (permanent concealment and aura of difficult terrain even for fliers) or fade from sight (at-will invisibility).

Can any other 9th-level non-full-spellcasters kill an average CR 16 so easily, with no prep time and no resource expenditures, while having the same utility as the avowed and all their clauses? I am sure there are some builds, but what does it take to accomplish such a thing within, say, Paizo's means?

>> No.51934918

>>51933642
>Shapes: Aether barrage ×4, shared by the companion

You shouldn't be able to have all four selections in the same shape at level 5.

No, this doesn't make any difference to the damage of this build, but still.

>>51934867
I'm fairly sure both you and your companion need to spend a feat on silent recitation since you can't provide the verbal components for aether pulse in vermin form.

>> No.51934976

>>51934867
Betrothed don't get subpacts whatsoever, fuck off.

>> No.51935005

>>51934976

Lich subpact can work with betrothed, though it changes nothing except the bonus shape you get.

>> No.51935013

>>51934507
>>51934542

Thuvia has Water Lords and Dragons!

>> No.51935041

>>51934542
It also has Divs.

>> No.51935042

>>51934918

>You shouldn't be able to have all four selections in the same shape at level 5.

Why not? The lich pact grants aether barrage as a bonus shape.

>I'm fairly sure both you and your companion need to spend a feat on silent recitation since you can't provide the verbal components for aether pulse in vermin form.

I would not know off-hand how the rules for verbal components in polymorphed forms work, but if this is indeed the case, then Improved Initiative on the betrothed and Weapon Focus on the companion are dropped in favor of Silent Recitation.

It hardly makes a difference.

>>51934976

From what I had heard, betrothed are to receive subpacts soon.

>Aspirants, betrothed, and other characters who replace parts or all of their pact abilities can still take a subpact. This is applied before the exchanges of the archetype; for example, an aspirant with the undead pact could choose the lich subpact. If they did, they would gain a different selection of bonus shapes from their pact, but would otherwise be a normal undead aspirant (because the aspirant archetype replaces the pact’s normal pact empowerments).

>> No.51935048

>>51935005
It doesn't work whatsoever; subpacts are basically archetypes, and the fact that it changes a Pact Empowerment you're no longer receiving means that it doesn't stack. Ergo, Lich Subpact can't work with Betrothed or Aspirant Avowed.

>> No.51935054

>>51934786
So, SE, how important will completed sheets be in your selection process? I haven't used Mythweavers in years and primarily phonepost, so I was wondering if I need to do it now or if I can wait.

>> No.51935068

>>51934918

That's correct, you can only have up to three selections in one shape at level 5; the fourth possible selection is at level 6.

>> No.51935072

>>51933904
The Spiritualist archetype "Phantom Blade" does it very well.

>> No.51935081

>>51933691
Avowed writer here! Your feedback has been taken on board, and while we can't make any promises at this early stage, we've got some ideas for people who would enjoy a full-BAB weapon-focused Avowed with lower dice.

(Well, Forrest has ideas. I just proposed 'hey let's make a class feature substitution that's full BAB, only rounds/channel, and lowered aether pulse dice to satisfy the old Aether Channel fans'. She's got all the actual ideas here.)

>> No.51935100

>>51933958
I like Hulking Changelings who have the witch patron of strength for that....

>> No.51935109

>>51934429
Katapesh. So many possibilities for origin stories beyond the bland usual suspects.

>> No.51935112

>>51935048
>Aspirants, betrothed, and other characters who replace parts or all of their pact abilities can still take a subpact. This is applied before the exchanges of the archetype; for example, an aspirant with the undead pact could choose the lich subpact. If they did, they would gain a different selection of bonus shapes from their pact, but would otherwise be a normal undead aspirant (because the aspirant archetype replaces the pact’s normal pact empowerments).

Read the document, anon.

>>51935042
>Why not? The lich pact grants aether barrage as a bonus shape.
>At 2nd level, an avowed gains a bonus shape from one of the two choices listed in his pact. He cannot choose the same shape he chose for his normal shape at 2nd level; both shapes gained at this class level must be different.

Read the pdf, touhou.

>> No.51935134

>>51935112
But reading anything but my own interpretation of the rules is hard!

>> No.51935136

>>51934528
This is a kyton picture now.

>> No.51935140

Is there anything actually interesting/broken I can do with Str or Dex based magus casting/arcana?

>> No.51935158

Hey /pfg/, what's a familiar you could fit under a hat?

>> No.51935167

>>51935048

Does the passage quoted above not specifically permit such a betrothed?

>Aspirants, betrothed, and other characters who replace parts or all of their pact abilities can still take a subpact. This is applied before the exchanges of the archetype; for example, an aspirant with the undead pact could choose the lich subpact. If they did, they would gain a different selection of bonus shapes from their pact, but would otherwise be a normal undead aspirant (because the aspirant archetype replaces the pact’s normal pact empowerments).

>>51935112

I see that now. So then, the lich pact is not actually necessary for this build; any patron or symbiotic pact will do.

The damage output will stay exactly the same.

>> No.51935178

>>51935158
Most of them?

>> No.51935186

>>51935167
G E T A T R I P
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>> No.51935194

>>51935158
perhaps a bat or a rat?

>> No.51935219

Looks like the SoP Life book is up. Same guy who wrote war.

>> No.51935225

>>51935140
Not without mythic stuff.

Coupled Arcana makes for some very destructive pool+mage strike combinations, where you can do 16d6 elemental damage that has no save attached. Combine it with impact weapon and Brilliant Energy, and then use it during spell combat to add on a maxmimized spell (or two with quicken).

Magus don't have much broken in them, but their use of action economy is really hard to beat.

>> No.51935236

>>51935081
I am being such an annoying autismal little piece of shit about it but you've been SO CLOSE to having almost everything I want from a "magical warrior" class that doesn't have to deal with Vancian Bullshit or the idiocy of spheres. I can't even ever remember what the entirety of what I'm looking for wants because I always get thrown off by seeing that point come up.

>> No.51935244

>>51934542
Well, there is the whole thing about Ahriman having a portal that's constantly spewing Dhivs out, like a mini Worldwound.

Actually, why the heck isn't that as much of a concern or problem? You'd expect there be some kind of Anti-Dhiv Jihad going on, but there's almost nothing on it at all!

>>51934733
Hmm, Well the Cha restriction is a bit rough for you, especially if you want to spellstrike and have magic fists. You already said you didn't want Eldritch Scion, so really that's it for the Magus options (especially since Esoteric, the unarmed magus, sucks)

Eldritch Scrapper archetype for Sorcerer might help, but not much and still won't let you spell strike.

Sadly, it seems what might be your best option is to instead get NJolly's Legendary Kineticist and apply the blasts to your fists. Plus it might even be compatible with his one Dragon archetype as well

>> No.51935246

>>51935194
Why not a cat?

>> No.51935249

>>51934918
>>51935042

It seems that the 9th-level version of the build can avoid having to take Silent Recitation by using this item:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-eloquence/

Thus, the only changes necessary for both builds are correcting the shape selection, and possibly choosing a pact other than the lich pact.

>> No.51935254

>>51935219
Sauce? The War book was really good.

>> No.51935257

>>51935244
It's not that I don't *want* it, it's just that I'm not entirely sold on the idea. What would you suggest if I did go for Eldritch Scion?

>> No.51935276

>>51935244
Rahadoum fights a defensive war, besieged on all sides by divs, devils, diabolists, assassins and pirates.

>> No.51935278

>>51935246
depends on the hat

>> No.51935279

>>51935158

Depends on the hat in question, I'd think.

>> No.51935286

>>51935244
Presumably because the Div are far less in number.

>> No.51935299

>>51935225
I wouldn't be technically playing a magus anyways. I suppose the Str/Dex casting would mean I could have good DCs while being hyper accurate, but that's kind of boring.

>> No.51935313 [DELETED] 

>>51935249

To follow up on this, the dragon pact might be most ideal here.

>Draconic Concert (4th): Whenever you use a clause with the betrothed descriptor, that clause and the first non-betrothed clause cast by you or your companion before the end of your next turn gains one of the following benefits. Alternatively, you can focus as a standard action to gain one of these benefits with a clause that is currently affecting you (such as a permanent clause).

>All numeric measurements of a burst, emanation, or spread-shaped clause are increased by 100%.
>A clause that creates a number of 10-foot cubes creates twice as many cubes as normal.
Creatures affected by the clause lose immunity to mind-affecting effects for one round.
>The next skill check you make within before the end of your next turn gains double the bonus normally granted by the clause.
>Creatures making saving throws against clauses enhanced in this way must roll twice on their saves, using the lower result.

Option #3 is the most valuable here, because it means you can gain another +6 to a Knowledge check from the hidden knowledge least clause, or pump another +6 into Bluff, Diplomacy, or Intimidate via the silver tongue least clause.

>> No.51935315

>>51935276
Shut the fuck up, we're talking about Thuvia, not Rahadoum. Get out of here fedoramancer

>> No.51935321

>>51935257
I would suggest Phantom Blade Spiritualist - healing (and serious harming) magic+punchy strikes with an inherent magical bonus. Really can't lose. Psychic Anthology included.

>> No.51935322

>>51935254
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wTv7VGj2qzjGnReD1lLRwC8iNG_G6f-a6XzMQlTB1yM/edit

Here it is. Haven't looked it over yet, but I enjoyed the War book a lot which is why I gave so much feedback.

>> No.51935336

>>51935278
>>51935279
Like a reasonably-sized cap. Pic related, but maybe more pronounced and exaggerated in proportions.

>> No.51935337

>>51935249

To follow up on this, the dragon pact might be most ideal here.

>Draconic Concert (4th): Whenever you use a clause with the betrothed descriptor, that clause and the first non-betrothed clause cast by you or your companion before the end of your next turn gains one of the following benefits. Alternatively, you can focus as a standard action to gain one of these benefits with a clause that is currently affecting you (such as a permanent clause).

>All numeric measurements of a burst, emanation, or spread-shaped clause are increased by 100%.
>A clause that creates a number of 10-foot cubes creates twice as many cubes as normal.
>Creatures affected by the clause lose immunity to mind-affecting effects for one round.
>The next skill check you make within before the end of your next turn gains double the bonus normally granted by the clause.
>Creatures making saving throws against clauses enhanced in this way must roll twice on their saves, using the lower result.

Option #4 is the most valuable here, because it means you can gain another +6 to a Knowledge check from the hidden knowledge least clause, or pump another +6 into Bluff, Diplomacy, or Intimidate via the silver tongue least clause.

>> No.51935353

>>51935219
>Same guy who wrote war.
Ugh, I haven't looked at that thing since the playtest. Is it still retarded?

Also, how come we no one posted the Playtest for Life here? OR was it not released?

>> No.51935383

>>51935336
You could probably fit a greensting scorpion under a hat if it's curled up and behaves itself well.

>> No.51935418

>>51935315
Outside of protecting Thuvia's one city state they have no interest in defending humanity from the servitors of the gods.

Besides, the VAAAAST majority of Thuvia is desert, a desert they and Rahadoum share, divs are just as much a problem for the defenders of the first law as it is for alchemists with no sense of right or wrong.

>> No.51935419

>>51935353
>Ugh, I haven't looked at that thing since the playtest. Is it still retarded?
>Also, how come we no one posted the Playtest for Life here? OR was it not released?

Life just got put into playtest a few minutes ago. Link is above.

>> No.51935436

>>51935136
If Kytons were that sexy I'd want to help make some Kytonspawn.

>> No.51935452

>>51935353
>Ugh, I haven't looked at that thing since the playtest. Is it still retarded?
It's published now. A lot of things got cut, though.

>> No.51935460

>>51935158
The correct answer is squirrel

>> No.51935484

>>51933272
I like the pineapple head! She's cute!

>> No.51935492

>>51935337
Hey question, 2hu. Why do you always write your posts with a tone of "why is this allowed" or "does anyone know of any way to beat this," when you know for a fact that the result of your build will be them looking at and nerfing the thing you're optimizing, since you revealed a problem?

Like, I don't understand. Why are you so /aggressive/ about it, instead of going "hey this does too much damage, and here's how."

>> No.51935509

>>51935492
Because 2hu hates Pathfinder.

>> No.51935510

>>51935436
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/kyton/kyton-ostiarius/

They certainly can be.

>> No.51935522

>>51935257
>What would you suggest if I did go for Eldritch Scion?
Avoid taking Arcana that requires spending from your pool, unless its super useful. Avoid taking options that require you to spend Swift actions, and if you do find some way to get additional swifts, because Eldritch Scion is both Resource and Action Economy hungry

>>51935336
Man, Jotaro's had it rough since Stone Ocean

>> No.51935689

>>51935492
2hu actually has no idea how PF works.

>> No.51935772

gon roll it up right now

pull up hop out the car squeeze the trigger

>> No.51935773

What's a good thing to gestalt with Empiricist Investigator? I like avowed, but it seems like it'd be way too MAD unless I went self pact int/str which doesn't work for the character for thematic and game-related reasons.

The character is a battle bureaucrat heavily inspired by the short of shenanigans that went on in the Three Kingdoms period of China. 3pp is allowed. I would prefer a martial focus over a casting focus.

>> No.51935814

>>51935773
Warder can do fine, but you could also do Edge Lord Harbinger if you want to stay Dex.

>> No.51935853

>>51935814
>edge lord harbinger

?

>> No.51935868

>>51935773
If you want to be more fight-y the Living Grimoire Inquisitor is Int based:
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/archetypes/inquisitor-archetypes-paizo/living-grimoire-inquisitor-archetype/

Living Grimoire also lets you carry around your book of sacred bureaucracy.

The Horror Adventures Pact Wizard might be up your alley, but is just casty supreme:
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo-wizard-archetypes/pact-wizard-wizard-archetype/

>> No.51935904

>>51935853
It's from April Augmented and-oh right, yea, it's PoW, so if your group isn't using PoW you're shit outta luck.

>> No.51935909

>>51935773
Swordlord Fighter (+ the Swordlord PrC if you wanna Swordlord^2). Then dig into combat inspiration, get amazing inspiration, then get the Inspired enchant on your weapon of choice. It's good shit.

>> No.51935922

>>51935904
PoW is kosher. Got a link to april augmented?

>> No.51935937

>>51935922
http://watermark.drivethrurpg.com/pdf_previews/179672-sample.pdf

>> No.51935979

Quick question.

One of my players is playing a Warder and ended up spending a Trait to learn Unquiet Grave Style.

Using Extended Defense, he can use Chilling Grave Defense an unlimited number of times until the end of his turn.

https://pathminder.github.io/maneuvers/chilling-grave-defense/

The penalties stack, right? So if the opponent makes three attacks, he could give them a -12 Str/-12 Dex, correct?

>> No.51935992

>>51935937
...

I'd have to refluff a lot but that's actually really close to the sort of things I'd want. Wew.

>> No.51935995

>>51935979
Penalties from the same source don't stack with themselves.

>> No.51936005

>>51935158

SCORPION.

No seriously. I had an old dapper elven S.O.D. necromancer who had his scorpion familiar hide under his top hat, and whenever he he raised his hat to be polite the scorpion did as well with a miniature top hat. It was pretty much the best thing ever.

Also the top hat had portholes so the scorpion could shoot wands through them, but that's just icing on the cake.

>> No.51936077

>>51933642
Writer here again. Betrothed's damage numbers are presently, across the board, far too high - in part because we didn't account for additional sources of damage beyond basic aether pulse dice. Oops.

That said, we're working on finding a solution to this that maintains the Betrothed's class fantasy. We'll get back to you when we have more details.

>> No.51936101

>>51935995
That's what I thought, but the player was saying it was from separate activations, so he was saying it shouldn't count as "the same source." I'm relatively new to Pathfinder but that sounded somewhat fishy to me. Thanks!

As a follow up, would Scything Reaper Reposte work the same way, where it can only inflict the 2-8 negative levels one time, or would he theoretically be able to drain a dragon to death in one round with this counter and Extended defense, if it made a full, 6 attack routine against him?

https://pathminder.github.io/maneuvers/scything-reaper-riposte/

He's been talking about how he can't wait to do that and I'm curious if that's as much bull as his earlier thing was.

>> No.51936106

>>51936005
Okay, that sounds like it's the perfect blend of "tough-looking" and "cute" that I'm going for. Thanks!

>> No.51936304

>>51936077
Keep up the good work. If I can't play a character with a cute Otyugh waifu I will hold you accountable.

>> No.51936314

>>51935992
>He's not Crawling in his Crawl

>> No.51936366

>>51933113
My weekend games were great, but every session I have nowadays makes me think. I'm job searching and I know there's a high chance that my games won't survive me getting a job. That's okay, can't have everything and there's always other games, but it puts a damper on each session knowing it might be one of the last for these games that I've invested so much of my time and personal energy into.

Then there's the actual situation of my job searching, I'm in a place where I need to decide between continuing to look for a decent job in my field or just sucking it up and taking a local factory job I've got a good chance of snagging thanks to a couple friends I know on the inside but then not being able to leave that place without making my friends look bad for recommending me in the near future if I eventually do find good work in my field. I got bills to pay but I know that every year that goes by my college degree gets less valuable to potential employers and I don't know if I'm ready to accept that those years of my life and several tens of thousands of dollars could just be wasted.

>> No.51936393

>>51936314
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF HOW HONORABLE AND DUTY-BOUND I AM

>> No.51936511

>>51933113
Spells.
How many spells?
All the spells.
28 recorded so far and have an easy 30 to go, and that's not even including shit from scrolls and leveling. Honestly I'd normally just say 'lol Wild Arcana I'll just ling the SRD', but the GM checks everyone's shit. Pretty glad that we have a two week break right now though. I guess this is the price to pay when playing a demigod, but I dunno if I would want to play a Wizard again after this.

>> No.51936521

Dragon GM, what do dragons and those with strong draconic bloodlines tend to think of those with weaker ones? Say, recent arrivals to the Demesne from outside or a family line that's been mostly out-breeding?

>> No.51936557

Someone link me currently recruiting games that at least have a chance of not being bamboozles.

>> No.51936649

>>51936077
Oh nooo.

Well, it makes sense, but I hope it doesn't somehow hit builds that weren't doubling up on stat-to-damage shapes on both the betrothed and companion - which would in turn almost make it necessary to do that instead, just to keep up with the base class.

>> No.51936696

>>51936077
I mean, it probably SHOULD have pretty good numbers if you put in the effort to have TWO things doing a thing, but you should also probably be giving up more in order to do so.

>> No.51936699

>>51935452
>A lot of things got cut, though.
Like what? Details man!

>>51935773
If Jolly 3pp is allowed you could use Vigilante with Genius Vigilante feat to key it off Int instead of Cha.

>>51935992
That was the idea for AA. The mechanics are actually solid, just some silly fluff that is completely intended to be changed by the player in a real game.

>> No.51936707

>word of god is that WotR selection is almost finished

hold onto your butts

>> No.51936735

>>51936366
I'm with you there. You get in that spot where you have a routine with your gaming friends that you don't want to mess up, but you also need money to live, so you have to find something. It sucks, but you just have to force yourself to get it done and try and work things out later.

>> No.51936768

>>51936707
IT'S SHIIIIIIIIT.

>> No.51936816

>>51934507

>Thuvia
>Sargava

Which is more underrepresented as a place where PCs come from?

>> No.51936821

>>51936699
>Like what? Details man!
Some talents, some feats, a couple of archetypes got cut (an investigator and a swashbuckler) and a hedgewitch tradition. And the incanter archetype got turned into a hedgewitch archetype.

>> No.51936848

>>51936816
Thuvia. Because at least there are some options for playing as a Sargavan, and they are noted for interactions with multiple nations and things

Thuvia has essentially nothing

>> No.51936860

>>51936735
I can accept that pretty easily, so the problem isn't really with having to drop my games. The idea of losing my games is a disappointing thought but you gotta man up and do what needs to be done.

The bigger problem for me is just deciding which way forward to go in my job search, which isn't really anything topical to /pfg/ but the issue I just outlined about my games still kind of hangs over me and distracts me from trying to make that very important and possibly life-altering decision.

Real life and adulting is hard, basically, and it's just been on my mind a lot lately.

>> No.51936893

Scared my DM might not show up to the Roll20 game tomorrow for the third time in a row. I jinxed it by saying that HV was going fine.

How do I prepare myself to be happy or disappointed?

>> No.51936957

>>51936649
It WILL hurt those builds, because those are the biggest problem at the moment. The intention is to actually bring it down to make it more in-line with the difference a non-archetyped Avowed would see when using such a shape.

>>51936696
We don't actually want the Betrothed to be more powerful than a standard Avowed. It's meant to be an alternate playstyle, not a STRONGER one.

>> No.51936991

>>51936821
Those were cut ages ago, I thought you meant stuff got cut from the final version of the playtest to the actual book release.

>> No.51936998

>>51936957
I think you misread:
I was saying I hope it doesn't hurt builds where
-The Betrothed is using a stat-to-damage shape
-The companion is using a shape WITHOUT stat to damage

Or alternately, builds where they both use shapes without stat to damage.
Because then if it hurts those builds, it pushes Betrothed much more towards both using stat-to-damage shapes to keep up with the base class.

>> No.51937005

>>51932327
>your character's mother. Your character does have a mother, right?

His biological mother was an Ekujae warrior who went on a great pilgrimage to find this "Treerazer" and give him a bad time or die trying. Somewhere along the way she fell in with the wrong crowd and ended up with child by a brave and selfless woodsman who was fighting the good fight against the tyrannical Lumber Consortium in Andoran. The father got fucking murdered in the woods, and our aspiring demon slayer abandoned the child to be picked up by a traveling peddler, and continued onwards to Kyonin.
My character knows none of this, knows nothing about her, and has never met her. All he has of his biological family is the bone charm necklace his mother left with him as an infant.

>> No.51937043

>>51936957
I never said it should be more powerful, just that you SHOULD get pretty good numbers if you're pouring in the resources necessary for those numbers. Two fags with enchanted longbows will be better than one.

>> No.51937048

>>51935136
No, that is a picture of Fem!ZonZon.

>> No.51937077

>>51936998
Ah, no. It should barely affect characters using shapes without stat-to-damage.

>> No.51937080

>>51937043
Not when they're both built using the same 'resources' as one fag. (Ie both are technically a single PC)

>> No.51937087

>player is bad at math
>picks Barbarian as a direct result of this, unaware of it being the mathiest class outside of arithmancy/SG
>say nothing because the player is too adorable when attempting it
What is my alignment /pfg/

>> No.51937105

>>51937087
somewhere between Teasing Bully and Soft Sadism

>> No.51937106

>>51937077
That seems to have dodged the question of the case where one is and the other isn't but hopefully you just misworded

Thanks for answering!

>> No.51937115

>>51934429
I've only ever used Andoran, Qadira, Amanandar, Taldor, Numeria, and Varisia. Never used Minkai or Cheliax. My Avistani choices were obvious, and if not Amanandar, then Jinin or Shokuro. Those three are the holy trinity of Tian Xia, imo.

Garund? I'd go for Sargava and Kruger as hard as I reasonably could.

>> No.51937124

>>51937087
chaotic evil behavior Tbh

You still have time to atone though

>> No.51937126

>>51937087
Chaotic Neutral.

>> No.51937131

>>51932327
>Tell me about B— your character's mother. Your character does have a mother, right?
Lot of different characters. Of my last few these are what I have had:
>mother is elderly and works as a nurse
>mother is elderly and lives in a nice home the character pays for, which a few servants
>mother died when he was in his 30s, grieved and moved on
>mother died when he was a kid
>no clue who his mother was, abandoned at a church
>mother died in childbirth
>mother is a noblewoman and evil
>mother is a noblewoman and generally just wants to be left alone
>mother is a boulder

>> No.51937137

>>51937080
Well, why the fuck aren't that PC's resources being properly accounted for when his output can just be "two chucklefucks with magic longbows", or are you going to tell me that he's somehow not giving anything up for the ability to just be two chucklefucks with magic longbows?

>> No.51937149

>>51933443
More like 10%, I guess.

>> No.51937161

>>51937106
Sorry, I meant 'character' in the context of 'it'll hurt the half of the pair using a weaponlike shape, but not the other'.

>> No.51937180

>>51937087
Unlawful Cute

>> No.51937183

>tfw secretly want to get rejected from WotR because afraid of having to live up to standards of not being a depressed fuck

>> No.51937195

>>51937183
DHB, is that you?

>> No.51937212

>>51937048
Where's her living brother?

>> No.51937221

>>51937195
did DHB even apply to WotR?

>> No.51937253

>>51937221
Yeah, he made a sword and board paladin.

>> No.51937285

>>51937183
Can't you just be a depressed fuck and not talk about it?

>> No.51937316

WotR applicants have been judged.

>> No.51937344

>>51937316
Cool, I guessed 4/6.

>> No.51937348

>>51937285
>implying not talking about it doesn't just make it worse

When folks can't afford a professional, they seek the next best thing - friends and family.

When they don't have that, well? It all spills out onto whichever sites they frequent most.

>> No.51937349

>>51937316
RIP la RIP.

>> No.51937352

>>51937316
>DHB BTFO AGAIN
ALL DAY EVERY DAY

>> No.51937360

>>51937253
>he made a sword and board paladin.
That sounds absolutely precious

>> No.51937392

>>51937316
I was 3/6, with 2 in the backups and the last one me didn't make it in either.

>> No.51937406

>>51937352
His autistic ass doesn't deserve to be in a game.

>> No.51937459

Uh, are Discipline Weapons the Discipline's Favored Weapons?

>> No.51937490

>>51937459
Yes.

>> No.51937510

>>51937316
Pretty good list. I think every prediction I saw included Lucius, and Rath was the obvious second pick to complement him so I doubt anyone is surprised there. The remainder make a lot of sense using those two as party cores.

Artemy is the one that surprised me the most since I thought, and I saw other people mention that he seemed like a weak app, but he covers a lot of space that the other five don't. With all six together he fits in really nicely.

My only complaint is that they have two and a half boys and a lesbian and I'd worry that there won't be enough shipping in the party.

>> No.51937513

>>51937316
how did i get in delete this

>> No.51937529

>>51937352
Not getting picked doesnt equal BTFO you autistic shitwhistle.

>> No.51937542

>>51937510

Honestly, I'm surprised I got in too, but I think that's mostly due to my anxiety when it comes to these things.

Thank you, folks who offered criticism.

>> No.51937588

>>51937316
Well, at least I got into the Reserve List; I consider that a victory! Congratulations to all of the chosen players!

>> No.51937623

>>51937529
He's applied to 8 games now, gotten into none of them. That's pretty BTFO.

>> No.51937644

How would you stat Frostmourne, /pfg/?

>> No.51937646

>>51937623
There's still Dragons 2!

>> No.51937661

>>51937646
Which one? Dragonborn or dragons 2? Which is bamboozles?

>> No.51937766

>>51937644
Major Artifact (Strong conjuration, necromancy and evocation)
+1 Unholy Frost Bastard sword
Any time this weapon reduces a living creature to 0 or less health, the subject must make a DC 18 Fort save or be instantly killed. If killed like this or with a coup de grace the creature will be revived as an undead with the zombie template under the control of Frostmouner's wielder.

,Frostmourne can blast an area with frost, functioning as Firebal (DC 18l) 10d6 but with cold damage instead of fire. Yoi can use this every 1d4 rounds

Once per day Frostmourne can summon an adult white dragon with the ravener template under his command for 10 rounds, at the end which the dragon will use it's frost breath ability whether or not it can use it that round.

>> No.51937796

>Most of the reserves are the last minute apps

>> No.51937798

>>51937510
i don't really know how lorei's not gonna just die given the fact that there are two paladins.

>> No.51937800

>>51937766
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this to you yet but you still have the Kurgess name from all that Cayden posting the other day.

>> No.51937823

>>51935322
>still no Cancer-Mancer options for Life Sphere
sad. All I want is to heal people until they explode in a burst of healthy tumors

>> No.51937835

>>51937800
I posted without it earlier but it came back for some reason. Nü Moot has failed me!

>> No.51937863

>>51937798
Lorelei's "designated evil" and neither Paladin seems very hard on the lawful side. Rath's more smitey but he's less "Kill all evil' and more "Kill all enemies'.

>> No.51937864

>>51937316
>didn't get in
Not even mad, my app had no heart to it.

She was a nugget of an idea that never got polished.

>> No.51937892

>>51937510
How well is Artemy going to keep up with the rest of the party as a Ranger/Unchained Rogue compared to the gestalt full initiators?

Sure, there's full BAB TWF sneak attack but it doesn't seem they're going that route.

>> No.51937930

>>51937623
The weirdest thing is DHB's insistence he doesn't want to ERP but the fact he only makes fetish characters.

>> No.51937964

>>51937892
If he builds well he can just maximize for Mythic Vital Strike, he's got a decent set for that.

Would definitely end up the weakest party member if it weren't a mythic group though.

>> No.51937991

>>51937823
Upcoming avowed update has you covered, anon. We have a few others planned, too.

>> No.51938093

We should start talking ship names.
>Rath x Tianetria = Made in Heaven
>Dossentistania x Rath = Red Rage
>Artemy x Lucius = Brevoy Brothers
>Lorelei x Tianetria = Divine Comedy

>> No.51938116

>>51938093
I'm shipping Lucius/Lorelei. Someone give me a name.

>> No.51938201

>>51937823
Didn't Jolly make a viscera element for kineticist?

>> No.51938219

>>51938201
He did, it's in Kineticists of Poryphyra 2.

>> No.51938227

>>51937892
>>51937964

Favored Terrain spam with Horizon Walker. It isn't the strongest, but I could even fit in Mythic Vital Strike if I wanted.

There's plenty of super strong combatants. I'm fine with being the guy who can always be relied upon to deliver a spike of concentrated damage, while otherwise being vanished, and who can perform in most situations, and has a big bucket of skills.


I did a few sample builds, looked at the to-hit and damage, and it looked alright, but I'm not really great at optimization.

I'm willing to take advice on what I should be doing to maximize my performance.

>> No.51938259

>>51938093
>made in heaven
Do you believe in gravity?

>> No.51938274

>>51938259
Yes indeed, waga tomo yo

>> No.51938282

>>51935452
Has it been leaked/shared yet?

>> No.51938308

>>51938116
A Witch And Her Bitch?

>> No.51938390

>>51938274
Spiral Staircase

>> No.51938405

Okay WotR is done now, what's the next derby?

>> No.51938432

>>51938390
Rhinoceros beetle?

>> No.51938451

>>51938432
Ghost Town

>> No.51938499

>>51938308
A Fag and his Hag

>> No.51938502

>>51938405
Dragons 2?

>> No.51938553

>>51932327
Her mother is the legal wife of her father, but a fairly delicate and unassuming wallflower. She was happy to give birth to a strong daughter but has slowly been consumed by depression after the son of a concubine was accepted as the heir. She was married into the clan in order to strengthen weakening ties but she knows it was because her husband turned a blind eye to her weak disposition and accepted out of etiquette more than anything. Half the reason her daughter plans a coup is to help her mother find the strength to live.

>>51933113
Finally had a session after a month of scheduling troubles. My character and the centaur managed to derail the entire session a few minutes in and get arrested for the crimes of Disturbing the Peace, Reckless Riding, Horse Thievery, Unsanctioned Necromancy and Resisting Arrest. In jail my character turned a nameless thug NPC sharing a cell with her into Gustave, the handsome murderer who killed his lover, the local priest, after learning that he had no plans of helping Gustave rise up the echelons. My character and his fucked and after bailing herself out she promised to make him her vassal in exchange for getting him out of a life sentence. She doesn't plan on honoring her promise.

As a sidenote our binder basically summoned Dio Brando as a vestige so it's a running joke that binders are all Stand Users.

>> No.51938599

>>51938405
Taldor Ascendant. Rate'em.
Adrian Relvan (Fighter|Vigilante)
Kalia (Monk|Rogue)
Veshem Siv (Bard|Sorcerer)
Niladaya (Incanter|Soulknife)
Sayaka Ikusaba (Ninja|Magus)
Operative Monday (Vigilante|Avowed)
Edric Casca (Warpriest|Rogue)
Malachi Corvus (Magus|Fighter)
Materian Capio (Vigilante/Warder|Incanter/Arcanist)

>> No.51938615

>>51938599
Taldor Ascendant is deader than disco

>> No.51938640

>>51938615
You can still rate 'em.

>> No.51938699 [DELETED] 

/pfg/ How do i make the finest ass for Dragon Game? What class/class and race combination do i need?

>> No.51938732

>>51938451
Fig tart

>> No.51938734

How do i make the finest Ass for Dragon Game? What class/class and Race combination do i need?

>> No.51938765

>>51938732
Kabutomushi

>> No.51938795

>>51938765
Via dolorosa

>> No.51938828

>>51938795
Kabutomushi!

>> No.51938846

>>51938828
Singularity Point?

Speaking of, /pfg/, which class is best at controlling gravity?

>> No.51938859

>>51938846
a Void Jollykineticist.

>> No.51938870

>>51938734
Spec into Fool's Errand and go full Keijo.

>> No.51938895

>>51938846
Giotto

if 1pp, then Heavens Oracle and Void Wizard might work.

If 3pp, a Spherecaster with the Gravity Talents from the Telekinesis handbook

>> No.51938899

>>51938846
Giotto!

>> No.51938959

>>51938899
You're not me!

>> No.51938984

>>51937991
gods cancerverse stuff is disgusting...

useful

but EW

>> No.51938996

>>51938959
SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE JUST ORDERED A STUPID-LOOKING BOSS

>your party encounters their Noiralog counterparts - what happens?

>> No.51939008

>>51938899
>>51938895
Angel

>> No.51939039

>>51939008
Hydrangea

>> No.51939046

>>51937991
WHEN IS IT THOUGH, I NEED TO GET READY TO GET disappointed as fuck

>> No.51939050

How would you build a spellcaster that uses an assortment of scrolls fluffed as a deck of cards to summon monsters?

>> No.51939060

>>51939050
Aren't there already a few dozen options that involve using cards and magic? Like a magus or something?

>> No.51939070

>>51939039
Kabutomushi.

>>51939050
You don't even need the scrolls if you refluff Summoner.

>> No.51939076

>>51939060
The magus one is more focused on direct damage, rather than summons or support.

>> No.51939110

>>51939070
Singularity Point

>>51939050
Is 3pp allowed?

>> No.51939127

>>51938405
Who got in? Preferably by name then class combo.

>> No.51939133

>>51939050
Man, season 0 was way better than the card game nonsense.

What you need is a class that let's you make attacks against the enemy with their own stats and the ability to do CHA and WIS damage

>> No.51939166

>>51939110
SECRET

EMPEROR

>> No.51939170 [SPOILER] 

>>51938870
>>51938734
t o o l a t e

>> No.51939180

>>51939166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNz0313A4k

>> No.51939181

>>51938996
Horrible torture as the Dark Trumpet Queen champions lead an assault on our virtue. We'll either die fighting or feel the hellish chorus fill our body through every available orifice.

>> No.51939189

>>51939110
3PP is on a case by case basis with my DM.

>> No.51939227

>>51939166
>>51939180

THIS IS IT!
OUR GRAVITY!
We are one step closer to HEAVEN
Now all that's left, is the place, where we shall enter into HEAVEN.

I know where to find it

>> No.51939228

>>51939170

That little reptile looks like she seriously needs pants.

>> No.51939289

>>51939170
>you will never hug this kobold

why even live

>> No.51939343

>>51939170
>>51939289
>Kobold
That ain't no kobold, that's a tiefling
If that's a Kobold, I'll eat my own snare trap

>> No.51939349

>>51939170
I know that adorable little dragon!

>> No.51939350

I think I'm gonna drop Fighter on Ezekiel and just go Consumed Vigilante. What are good archetypes that stack with it?

>> No.51939368

So...

Is there any way to get the Soulknife's Shape Ranged Weapon to emulate a Technological Weapon and/or Modern Firearms?

I'm looking for the ability to pull out OPERATOR shit out of my butt. GEP gun, MN-23, experimental nanomachine sword, et cetera.

>> No.51939375

>>51939343

That's A Kobold of the Short-tail clan

>> No.51939405

>>51939050
Preservationist Alchemist. Just refluff the class so that instead of making potions and elixers, you make magical cards that hold effects which can be activated by the person holding the card (using Infusion) and with the Summon Ally chain you can summon creatures with your cards.

>> No.51939456

>>51939170
It's always fun to see Smolder on /tg/

>> No.51939480

>>51939375

Kobold of the Short-fat-tail clan, more like.

>> No.51939497

Guess cross-dressing dragon-blood banchou might not happen now, stuff is making the schedule too tight.

>> No.51939504

SO.

Any new games up and recruiting? I'm in the market again and not 2hu or an edgelord.

>> No.51939516

>>51939375
The short tail is fine, such mutations happen

But if she's a Kobold, where the heck is her proud draconic snout!? How could she a Kobold if she lacks one of the race's most defining features!?

Unless she is either so horribly mutated that her siblings should've eaten her after hatching, or she's some kind of degenerate skinfag who polymorphed herself, that is no 'bold!

>> No.51939552

>>51937796
It kills me. I've been in the channel for weeks and it feels like not completing my sheet (because I was going to revise after party selection) is what killed me.

>> No.51939584

>>51939368
>Is there any way to get the Soulknife's Shape Ranged Weapon to emulate a Technological Weapon and/or Modern Firearms?
Yes.

>> No.51939639

>>51939584
Tell me your secrets! Please.

>> No.51939683

I'm definitely rebuilding Ezekiel as a Roil Dancer/Elemental Scion (Void) Kineticist//Consumed Vigilante

At high enough levels, he doesn't need to eat, sleep, breathe, or even drink water.

>> No.51939724

>>51939170

Smol best Dragon

>> No.51939726

>>51939683
>At high enough levels, he doesn't need to eat, sleep, breathe, or even drink water.

that's really nothing special for high levels

>> No.51939743

>>51939726
Yeah but it's SUPER COOL for a kung-fu master. And coolness is cool. I'm really just going for cool-factor here.

>> No.51939804

>>51939639
Be a War Soul, take Discipline Blade Shapes and have access to Solar Wind/Tempest Gale/anything with Weapon Group Adaptation..

>> No.51939915

New bread, boyos and grills!

>>51939901
>>51939901
>>51939901

>> No.51939956

>>51939915
PAGE 6 YOU COCKNUCKLE
Cannot wait for it to die, then we can have better gen

>> No.51939975

>>51939956
Seven and sliding, fucknugget~

>> No.51940090

>>51939504
>edgelord
>>neromancer
Guess im out of the normal criteria </3
>>51939480
kek

>> No.51940146

>>51939516
Speaking of Kobolds, wheres the love for Gnolls? Amirite

On another note in the anime Grimgar of Fantasty And Ash, they call what are obviously gnolls, Kobolds throughout the show. it irks me but makes up for it in being a fantastic show.

>> No.51940224

>>51940146

Back in the day, kobolds were described as "dog-like", and Japan's pretty much gone with that ever since.

>> No.51940441

>>51937823
Pharmakon archetype and disruption and affliction talents?

>> No.51942984

>>51935436

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