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Pathfinder General /pfg/

Friendly reminder to tell us what 3pp your game allows if you need character building help.

Pactmakers are a firmly Dex/Cha class. Why aren't you playing a huli jing pactmaker who drains people's life force from sex AND binds sexy spirits?

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/iYhDNSTq

Psionics Augmented: Psychic Warriors playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dX4UYdtwTQKhY71Q45IHLtcu193zq1ZO5jHQ5_PnTl8/edit

Bloodforge: Infusions playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvwMclLSw15slYI7D5xLdjMzr-Nau92hNha9Sx0LOk4/edit

Legendary Vigilantes playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hrk1hl8uXVHazaiPOCvWsFUHX3PB6fQVd13tzguJTgE/edit

Old thread: >>49286385

>> No.49295558

Why don't you make a thread with a pic of warrior doing something cool or something, just to mix things up? Maybe fool some people into thinking you aren't a fetish-forcing tool.

>> No.49295572
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49295572

>>49295558
Like this?

>> No.49295586

>>49295531

Hey, hey OP...fuck you.

>> No.49295588

>>49295572
Well I mean it's better.

Gay and degenerate is better than weeb and degenerate.

>> No.49295599
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>>49295588
?

>> No.49295652

>>49295588
I would had to agree. One could use a gay pic as a joke.
Being a weeb however, is never funny.

>> No.49295662
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>>49295588
>it's better
Anti-weebs are literally cancer.

>> No.49295758

I was running the numbers and my E6 world might have only 144 level 2 characters in the immediate world region

>> No.49295770

>>49295599
>gay weeb degeneracy
We've reached a new low.

>> No.49295799

Hey guys newb question. When i wildshape as a druid do I use my stats plus the bonus or the aninals?

>> No.49295813

>>49295770
Nah, we could just be posting about pathfinder instead.

>> No.49295850

Reposting my medium rebuild because why not? I like the Medium's concept and at this point I would love more support for it. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QwizRjfkg0inFpMqG22lHdIcIRt9glXY_SyAdFJv-wU/edit?usp=drive_web

What I'm thinking of doing

>increased caster level when channeling Hierophant/Archmage
>Get something like toughness when channeling the Champion (d10 HD I guess?) And the Guardian (enough to put you on the equivalent of a d12 HD.)
>Martial Flexibility, except you pick your feats when you channel a spirit, and youre limited to crafting/metamagic feats when using the Archmage/Hierophant, combat feats when changeling the Guardian/Champion, and some other category of feat when channeling the marshal/trickster.

Anybody else got ideas for it? Should I be a chucklefuck and give it an initiating archetype too?

>> No.49295854

>>49295799
For Pathfinder: Wildshape works like the spells Beast Shape. So if you turn into a Small animal you get a +2 Dexterity bonus and don't change any other stats (even if you're "shrinking" from Medium to Small), and if you turn into a Medium animal you get a +2 Strength bonus. This is a change from 3.5, where you simply used the animal's attributes (which was fucking busted and is one of the key reason why Druids outclassed Fighters in every possible way).

>> No.49296029
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49296029

Is there any way to make a Sword and Board character not shit? I really like the idea of one, but it seems like it just barely manages to hit viability after several feats.

>> No.49296073

>>49296029
Quit comparing it's viability to wizard and then it won't be shit.

>> No.49296076

>>49296029

Vital Strike warpriest, or else skip the sword and go shield + shield TWFer

>> No.49296106

>>49296076

Try and dual wield tower shields. Then you can become the wall that Trump loves

>> No.49296116

>>49296073
I'm not comparing it to wizard. I'm comparing it to greatswords.

>>49296076
How does double shield work for this? What makes it better than sword+shield?

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>>49296029
Well, if you have 3pp available, Warder is a solid class for it. The Stupendous Strength feat also helps a shitload.

1pp, the only way to do it right is the Mobile Bulwark Style feats, and they don't justify the loss of DPR

>> No.49296158

I'm not sure I'm really getting the point of the Pyschic, or really most aspects of occult classes in general (except occultist, which is actually pretty damn cool and flavorful while also not sucking horse cocks like the kineticist).

>Psychic is just a sorcerer with a bunch of x/day abilities that will mostly go unused, and whose sole usefulness (0-9) psychic spellcasting is usurped by a sorcerer bloodline that can also be usurped by the arcanist to become a 0-9 PREPARED psychic spellcaster
>mesmerist is a worse bard
>spiritualist is a shittier summoner
>medium is a cripple
>kineticist actively aspires to become a cripple

>> No.49296164

>>49296116

>What makes it better than sword+shield?

If for no other reason, taking weapon focus or specialization makes a lot more sense when using only one type of weapon

>> No.49296169

>>49295854
Jesus that's crazy.

>> No.49296185

>>49296116
There's a set of shield feats that allow you to treat your shield as a weapon INCLUDING any enhancement bonus, which reduces the cost of a second weapon bonus that always gimps TWF just as bad as things with DR.

>> No.49296222

>>49296134
Thanks, I'll look into it

>>49296164
I see. Maybe I'll combine the suggestions and try a Shield+Shield Warder.

>> No.49296254

What's the best class/race to play as a maid/butler/servant? One of the other player characters is the filthy rich son of some noble family who is off adventuring for shits and giggles, and I thought it might be fun for my character to be the loyal servant his family sent along to keep an eye on him and help keep him out of trouble.

>> No.49296269

>>49296254
Look up Gonzo 2.

It has the Battle Butler class.

I'm fairly sure it's in the Trove.

>> No.49296275

>>49296158
Mesmerist and Summoner actually have usefulness though. A Bard is more of a buffer, while a Mesmerist is solidly a debuffer; having both in the party is exponentially-better than one or the other. A Spiritualist is more balanced, flavorful, and thematic than a Summoner; yes it's weaker, but that's like saying an Inquisitor is weaker than a Cleric.

>> No.49296278

>>49296254
Skillmonkey rogue?

>> No.49296285

>>49296254
Halfling. They even have alternate racial traits for that sort of thing.

>> No.49296296
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>>49296222
Warder, for the record, is base Path of War, and only of the only ways to play a heavily armored character effectively.

Stupendous Strength is from DSP as well, and is in their Savage Races monster class book. Or you could just use pic related, since it's a screencap from my copy of the pdf.

>> No.49296307

>>49296158

I don't like the Psychic, personally

However, the Mesmerist is like the Bard, but instead of buffing your allies, you pile on debuffs on a single target by staring at them so hard they can't attack, can't hit hard, are more susceptible to your spells, and take damage when you hit them.

The Spiritualist has a lot more flavor than the chained summoner, and compares to the unchained summoner in terms of flavor.

The Medium makes a great dip for Martial characters. All you lose is one point of BaB, but you get a +1 to-hit, +3 to damage, and a few other benefits, like exotic weapon proficiency that you can change out every day.

The Kineticist is the only one I agree with you on. It's shit.

The Occultist is the coolest, by far, too. Gestalt a battle host one with a Bladebound/kensai magus and get yourself a sword that wrecks face, a shitton of SLAs, and massive Int synergy

>> No.49296320

>>49296254

That really depends on how seriously you want to take the character.

>> No.49296326

>>49296254
This was in a horribly weeb campaign, but as a wandering entitled prince of a tian house, I had a great campaign playing a 'humble servant' who was in fact, the most certifiably badass ninja the group had seen, and when I finally had to blow my cover and break the group out of prison, it was a glorious moment.

>> No.49296337

>>49296296
Does this feat let you dual wield a reach weapon and a non-reach weapon to threaten everything within 10 feet?

If so, that's incredible.

>> No.49296357

>>49296254
Well, if you play 5e it's a pretty damn easy decision.

>> No.49296360

>>49296254
Be a Summoner with a himanoid eidolon thAt you make to look like your twin so he gets two butlers and you can still be awesome

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>>49296269
>Gonzo 2
Yeah, who put that in the Trove? Its just so bad. The classes are just so uninspired. And in some cases, just outright pointless.

>> No.49296376

>>49296337
As a matter of fact, it does. I don't really see the reason why you'd want to, though. If that's your aim, just dual wield a pair of spiked chains or whips

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>>49296370
>I hate fun.

>> No.49296420

>>49296370
Uninspired is not the word I'd use for it.

>> No.49296421

>>49296376
Spiked chains don't threaten both in PF, just 3.X

>> No.49296432

>>49296384
I don't follow. Its just so fucking bland, most of the classes are just "choose a talent every other level", with no actually interesting mechanics.

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>>49296432
wat

>> No.49296499

>>49296432
I bet you also think the Vigilante is bland and boring.

>> No.49296504

>>49295531
I'm looking for a campaign setting that doesn't follow the generic fantasy mold. Something with magic-based technology, steampunk aesthetics and space opera. Basically a cross between Eberron and Spelljammer and maybe Planescape.

>> No.49296513

>>49296471
You like it,I don't. I think my main issue with it is many of the classes (henshin hero, magical girl, sparkle princess, croupier spring to mind) only really seem to fit in VERY SPECIFIC campaigns, where the party would mostly be comprised of that class.

>> No.49296520

>>49296504
>doesn't follow the generic fantasy mold
>three of the most popular fantasy settings

>> No.49296543

>>49296513
Yeah, flavor concerns are definitely an issue with this. I think most of the classes people would actually want to play can get by with some refluffing, though.

>> No.49296549

>>49295850
D10 is just +1 he per medium level and +2 for a d12. (A summing medium is d8.)

>> No.49296616

>>49296549

Im on mobile at the moment. Thanks. Medium is d8, so when channeling the Champion, you get +1 HP per medium level. When channeling the Guardian, you get +2 HP per medium level. That should make you as tough as a Fighter/Barbarian respectively

>> No.49296618

Evening /pfg/

I would like to know if I need the feat Two-Weapon Fighting if I want to wear two weapons, but only attack with one each round.

I had an idea for a character that wields a shortspear on one hand and a sword on the other so I can threaten up to 10 ft around me, but I don't actually want two-weapon fighting because I wouldn't actually get much use from it.

The feat's description says it's for attacking with both weapons at the same time, but I am unsure if the normal penalties apply even if I don't actually attack with both weapons at once.

>> No.49296624

>>49296513
The book was designed at the outset to be wierd. It's for games that aren't necessarily in the standard 'ye olde fantasye' setting.

>> No.49296636

>>49296624
Well, I guess the wierdness is just too much for me.

>> No.49296648

>>49295588
You're not me

>> No.49296651

>>49296618
Shortspear doesn't have reach.

>> No.49296662

>>49296513
>henshin hero, magical girl, sparkle princess, croupier spring to mind)
>specific campaigns
Not really
>Henshin
>Dumbass peasant runs into ancient artifact.
>gets super power
>goes off to adventure

>magical girl
>wizards and shiet

>sparkle princess
>run away noble.

>> No.49296663

>>49296618
You ONLY take the TWF penalties if you're using them to get more attacks during a full attack.

That's the ONLY time.

Even if you use both at the same time in a full attack, if you don't take that extra attack, you don't take the penalties.

>> No.49296703

>>49296513
Dude, you might not have realized it yet, but... um, you may in fact actually hate fun. Like, it's no longer a mockery like the earlier anon's comment but a legitimate worry.

You shouldn't be feeling anywhere this uninspired by like.... anything.

>> No.49296716

Which of the pacts plays into your particular fetish, /pfg/?

>> No.49296718

>>49296651

Would a trident have reach? srd said range 20ft but I guess they meant thrown range.
Another option would be plain old spears but those are 2 handed.

>>49296663

So theoretically I could attack with both weapons, one at a time, if I had the BAB to attack more than once?

>> No.49296744

as a non-3pp rogue, unchained or otherwise, how do i get sneak attacks on a bow and still have enough actions left to full attack? Moonlight Stalker feint + Feint from the Shadows seems to be the only real way.

>> No.49296765

>>49296718
Correct. If you had 4 attacks, you could sword/spear/sword/spear without taking the twf penalties.

>> No.49296797

/pfg/, what's the best way to build a magical gun user? Preferably compatible with muskets and an Empty Quiver Build.

Yes, I know it's not optimal, but our campaign doesn't really need optimal builds and I've always wanted to try this.

>> No.49296806

>>49296029
Just give it a niche that actually does something. It doesn't need to be the best niche, it just needs to avoid being strictly comparable to something else. No "take X investment to do the same job as something else" bullshit.

>> No.49296846

>>49296797
Eldritch Archer. Proficiency you'll have to either be human and swallow a feat on, or be half-elf and take Ancestral arms. But after that, it's the best spell-slinger archetype around. Also depending how you interpret the wording, Empty Quiver Flexibility may allow you to deliver spellstrikes through your melee rifle butt attacks

>> No.49296865

>>49296718
>Would a trident have reach? srd said range 20ft but I guess they meant thrown range.
The special field in the weapons table shows whether it has reach or not. To my knowledge, whip is the only reach weapon that can normally be wielded one-handed.

>> No.49296874

So my GM is letting me use the Necrologist and Fractured Mind spiritualist archetypes at the same time. What Emotional Power spells would work best for a Necrologist in this case?

>> No.49296878

>>49296718
Thrown range, yes. Melee is either "adjacent" or "reach" with an additional 5 ft but you can't hit things next to you. The only weapon with reach and not 2-handed is the whip, which sucks for a variety of reasons, like needing a pile of feats to even damage enemies or do tricks that will be quickly outclassed by enemy defenses that scale all out of whack to your skill.

>> No.49296897
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>>49296618
Spear to threaten, and quick draw to put it back and attack with greatsword.
This is the only way what you are proposing would make any sense.

>> No.49296919

>>49296897
The greatsword isn't the only sword in the game.

>> No.49296941

>>49296919
Well there's also the Nodcahi and Falchion.

>> No.49296949

>>49296919
Not that anon, but it is the only decent sword in the game. Sword and shield or open hand both end up sucking unless you go Magus and can spellstrike stuff.

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>mfw one of our players made a self-described "tsundere noblewoman"
>mfw she's a Stygian Slayer

I know I shouldn't, but I need to bully.

>> No.49296979

>>49296949
You can wield falcata two-handed.

>> No.49296988

>>49296941
>>49296949

>Greatsword is better than longsword!
>Because you're doing 1.5 points more damage!

Wew lad, if you're that much of a stickler for points than you've got problemos.

>> No.49296990

>>49296964
Remember not to bully too hard anon, because then they'll whine on the Paizo forums and then we get a Feminist shitstorm.

>> No.49297010

>>49296846

Makes sense. How do you speed up reloading, though?

>> No.49297017

>>49296285
>>49296269
>Aid another focused Halfling battle maid

This is absolutely, 100% what I was looking for. Thank you for the suggestions.

>> No.49297019

>>49296988
2.5

Longsword is 1d8, average 4.5
Greatsword is 2d6, average 7

>> No.49297020

>>49296158
>>spiritualist is a shittier summoner
Arguably, summoner was a bit overdone. If everything, you could regard Summoner as the 'overpowered, non-playable version', and Spiritualist as the more 'balance-friendly' one.
>>medium is a cripple
Spiritualist is, baseline, a better fighter than fighter. Also, Spirit dancer is the best generalist/factotum EVER.

>> No.49297023
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>>49296988
You're also getting an extra point of damage for every two points of strength, multiple abilities and feats increase to more damage when you're using a two-hander, and a such and such.

>> No.49297037

>>49296988
Not to mention 50% more strength bonus because of two-handing. And feats like Furious Focus which require you to two-hand.

>> No.49297044

>>49296964
Bully hard anon.

>> No.49297045
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>>49296919
Well, sure, he can also use a over-sized bastard sword

>> No.49297051

>>49297023
You can twohand onehanded weapons you know.

>> No.49297059

>>49296520
>most popular
You are completely out of touch with reality.

Eberron, Spelljammer and Planescape are not popular and are not supported by WotC. They're extremely niche and have a cult following for not being generic tolkien clones. Yet most players seem to prefer generic drek like forgotten realms and golarion.

>> No.49297071

>>49297051
Your point? If you're doing that you may as well fork over the extra 35 gold for a greatsword. That's not a lot, even at level 1.

>> No.49297080

>>49296979
True, falcata and even falchions can do pretty well.

>>49296988
Damage dice are meaningless once you start getting some modifiers, and 2handers get bonuses to those modifiers that one handed weapons don't. Supposedly carrying a shield would make up for it by buffing defense... but it doesn't for a variety of reasons.

>> No.49297089

>>49296988
For the sake of argument, let's run a couple of numbers. Assuming 18 Str:

The Longsword's average damage (Non-two handed) is 8.5. (4.5 from dice + 4 from Str)

The greatsword's average damage on the same character is 13 (7 from dice + 6 from Str)

You could use a Longsword two handed, but then you're just purposefully using a weapon functionally identical to the Greatsword, but with a worse damage die.

And purposefully nerfing yourself is a bad idea.

>> No.49297103

>>49296897

I originally wanted a spear user that could actually attack stuff in front of him without having to 5ft step.

I really liked the concept of having this brute capable of dual wielding big weapons, but I guess monkey grip isn't a thing outside videogames.

>> No.49297113

>>49297089
>And purposefully nerfing yourself is a bad idea.

What if I want to play a character that uses a shield? Let's argue it's for fluff reasons, like the character is a viking-type or the shield's been passed down for generations or even you want the thematic "protector" look going on for them.

>> No.49297123
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>>49296964
What's wrong with stygian slayers?

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>>49297059

>mfw I can never seem to make Eberron stick with my group
>mfw they'd rather play Forgotten Realms

But why, Eberron is objectively better.

>> No.49297138

>>49297113
Then wear it on your back or play a Warder/Iniator with Iron fucking tortoise.

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>>49297113
>USING the ancestral shield
Nigga you just went full retard.

If the shield has been passed down for generations, that means people have been actively NOT using it, seeing as it's not busted all to fuck. And if you're a giant faggot and INSIST on carrying it around, just strap it to your back and walk around wielding your greatsword like any respectable adventurer.

>> No.49297174

>>49297059
dreck*
Of course Planescape isn't supported by WotC. It's a 22 year old setting, and it's not as popular as FR. That doesn't mean it's some 'cult' setting. It's been very popular and long lasting.

As for Eberron, now you're the one out of touch with reality. WotC released an Eberron supplement for 5E. They have their latest product supporting the setting.

>>49297137
>my taste is objective

>> No.49297181

>>49297113
>B-b-but what if I change the subject?

Moving goalposts makes it a very different conversation.

Considering the discussion until this point was solely about damage, talking about shields doesn't really matter.

Either way, sword and board is the second worst fighting style in the game, just beating out empty hand + one handed weapon.

>> No.49297182

>>49296990
>>49297044

I'm going to bully her butt off!

>>49297123

Stygian Slayers are sneaky-stabby Slayers that know magic which lets them turn into gas or become invisible. They're the edgelords of an already edgy class.

Her character is a noblewoman described as a haughty tsundere. A noblewoman that can stabby-stabby and turn into gas.

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>>49297059
>Eberron, Spelljammer and Planescape

Toss Darksun in there as well.

>> No.49297196

>>49295531
Could anyone identify a campaign setting for me? I remember it mentioning something about magical mists affecting the world, but nothing other than that. It wasn't Ravenloft, Kaidan, or Alluria, which were the first I checked.

>> No.49297230

>>49297196
>I remember it mentioning something about magical mists affecting the world

I think that might be Eberron, since that sounds an awful lot like the Mournlands.

>> No.49297295

>>49295531
Fuck you OP!

>> No.49297313

>>49297174
You don't seem to get what popularity means. Eberron gets minimal support because it is barely profitable and nowhere near as popular as FR. If the other settings were popular as you say, then it would be profitable to make books for them.

It's not. All the people you think like them are really a tiny cult following.

Planescape Torment sold 400k copies against a US$1mil budget.

>> No.49297336

>>49297230
It was a 3pp setting. The mists were mentioned in the history section.

>> No.49297403

>>49297182
>Stygian Slayers are sneaky-stabby Slayers that know magic which lets them turn into gas or become invisible. They're the edgelords of an already edgy class.
>Her character is a noblewoman described as a haughty tsundere. A noblewoman that can stabby-stabby and turn into gas.
Honestly, I don't see the problem here. As long as she's not romantically interested in someone the character should be quite tolerable as a stabby noblewoman who can turn into gas.

>> No.49297406

>>49297336
Athas? I feel like I remember Athas having something with mist.

Also sounds kind of like the world for Guild Wars.

>> No.49297408

>>49295531
Hey, is there a tutorial for making tokens that aren't derpy as shit for Roll20? I saw a few really cool ones on here a while ago.

>> No.49297416

>>49297408
google tokentool

>> No.49297425
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49297425

So what would likely be the easiest way to replicate pic related? I just love the idea of mini's and missiles that shoot more missiles.

Sidenote 3rd party is allowed in my group, but anything outside of DSP will need to be talked over with my GM.

>> No.49297431

>>49297406
It was 3pp for Pathfinder. It couldn't be anything by WotC.

>> No.49297526

>>49297425
Play any other game.
Go to the game store, pick one at random and it will suit your idea more than Pathfinder. Even if you found something like it, everyone at your table would rightly hate you for trying to force it into their setting.

>> No.49297527

>>49297416
That's basically what RollAdvantage does (or used to do, before the dev broke it).

>> No.49297554
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>>49297416
I'm basically trying to figure out how to do something like pic related.

>> No.49297592
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49297592

>>49297313
>Planescape Torment sold 400k copies against a US$1mil budget.

Please don't remind me. On the plus side however, it's generally held up to be a fantastic game, such that the Tides of Numeria kickstarter received millions of dollars just for linking itself as a spiritual successor to Planescape Torment.

>> No.49297627
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>>49295558
>>49295572
>>49295588
>>49295599
>>49295770
>this entire dumbass conversation

>> No.49297752

Anyone got a copy of the Occult Adventures play test Medium?

>> No.49297756
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>>49297554
>someone posted the token I made
yay
Lemme write up a mini-guide for ya on how I do it.
Step 1: open GIMP or any equivalent. Basically any proper image editor, not mspaint.
Step 2: open the image you want, duplicate the layer with it so you have two exactly same layers.
Step 3: add alpha channel to both layers.
Step 4: on one of the layers, cut out the circular base of the token and delete everything around it, draw the circular border itself right there.
Step 5: on the other layer, make a precise selection of elements you want to poke out, invert selection, delete everything around it.
Step 6: put these layers on top of each other in the correct order (pokey out elements above the circle)
Step 7: enjoy

>> No.49297817

What's the best way to build an Awakened Blade? I'm capped at level 10.

>> No.49297840

>>49297526
Well that's rather rude.

Also, considering I was even asking about this in the first place, my party and GM would be relatively ok with a concept like this.

>> No.49297884

>>49297817
Don't.

>> No.49297893

>>49297840
He's partially right though. Pathfinder is just the wrong system to do that.

>> No.49297901

How does one play the Child Oracle?

>> No.49297906

>>49297884
Is Awakened Blade that bad?

>> No.49298078

>>49297901
You are the wise and enlightened individual whose knowledge about the future far surpasses anyone else, despite your age. Your words are very deep and wise. While many might scoff at the idea of listening to a child, your voice, attitude and obvious magical abilities and wisdom are such that few can help but turn their ears towards what you say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI

>> No.49298081

>>49295531
so /pdf/ I am currently in a campaign with some friends however I hate every session. I would stop playing however it is a group of 3 so without me they wouldn't want to continue playing with only 2 people. Should I just keep playing so they have a good time or forget about it and just stop showing up.

>> No.49298090

So one of my players wants to make a half giant, half Fae character so that he's Fae size but allowed to use weapons a giant could use.

How do I tell him to fuck off?

>> No.49298111

>>49297403

I'm not saying she's intolerable, I'm saying I should bully her.

>> No.49298113

>>49298090
>>49298090
>So one of my players wants to make a half giant, half Fae character so that he's Fae size but allowed to use weapons a giant could use.

So what? The character would be Tiny and yet able to used weapons one size larger (Small)? I don't know about the templates or stats but that doesn't sound terribly broken to me off hand.

>> No.49298114

>>49298081
Maybe find another person to join so you can drop out and still leave them with 3?

>>49298090
'Fae' isn't a size.

He could be half fae and half giant, but 'fae' doesn't imply a size whereas giant does. So he'd just be big.

>> No.49298122

>>49298090
Point out that Fey are a large group of creatures, and not all of them are small?

Point out that a giant and a pixie aren't really compatible for very obvious reasons?

"Fuck off"?

>> No.49298127

>>49298081
You should keep showing up, but start acting like an asshole to ensure that everyone else hates each session as much as you do.

>> No.49298155

>>49297884
Isn't Awakened Blade one of the better PrC's for PoW, though?

>> No.49298156
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>>49297756

You are also free to download this pack of 266 MB of mostly anime-style tokens, with a grand total of 347 tokens.

However, it has not been updated with a few of my more recent tokens, such as this one.

>> No.49298160

>>49298127
I just wish there was some way to actually get them to roleplay even a little.

>> No.49298161
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>>49298122
Giant x Sprite = M. It's entirely possible.

>> No.49298177

>>49298161
Yeah but it doesn't mean he'd be tiny and wield Large things.

If anything, it'd average out to like, small or medium. A giant of a man... for a fairy. Or a real fairy of an excuse for a giant

>> No.49298200

>>49298113
He's trying to argue his faerie sized thing can swing a massive tree round

>> No.49298235

>>49298156
Oooh, Link?

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>>49298156

I have also been experimenting with non-anime tokens recently.

>> No.49298248

>>49297817
5 levels of Psychic Warrior with the Pathwalker Archetype and then go straight into Awakened Blade. How else would you plan to get into it?

>> No.49298251
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>>49298236
I think I'm obligated to save this one.

>> No.49298286

>>49298081
Neither. You should talk to the GM like a fucking adult and explain why you're not having fun. If it can be fixed, great. If not, then everyone should at least know in advance that you're dropping out and why.

>> No.49298291

>>49298177
Since when do giants even get to wield weapons too large for them? They wield big weapons because they're BIG THEMSELVES.

>> No.49298299

>>49298200
If the guy is arguing that he's an idiot.

>Powerful Build: The physical stature of half-giants lets them function in many ways as if they were one size category larger. Whenever a half-giant is subject to a size modifier or special size modifier for a Combat Maneuver Bonus or Combat Maneuver Defense (such as during grapple checks, bull rush attempts, and trip attempts), the half-giant is treated as one size larger if doing so is advantageous to him. A half-giant is also considered to be one size larger when determining whether a creature's special attacks based on size (such as grab or swallow whole) can affect him. A half-giant can use weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty. However, his space and reach remain those of a creature of his actual size. The benefts of this racial trait stack with the effects of powers, abilities, and spells that change the subject's size category.

That's what half-giants get. It doesn't say they can swing large weapons, just weapons one size category larger than they could normally use. So if the half-giant were tiny he'd be able to swing around small weapons.

>> No.49298513

>>49298248
I was thinking Psion 4/Dervish Defender Warder 1.

>> No.49298559

>>49298161
If you're going to use a poorly written 3.5 third party book, maybe

>> No.49298651
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49298651

What was the most impressive antagonist you've ever faced in a campaign?

Hard Mode: They're humanoid
Nightmare Mode: They're human
Dante Must Die Mode: They were a martial.

>> No.49298691

>>49297840
Despite what these assholes say, there's machineguns in the "modern weapons" section (rasputin must die) of the game, though the only "missiles" are the tech rocket launcher, and all tech weapons were deliberately designed to be worse than crossbows in most ways.

I say MOST, because there... ARE a few special alternatives like the warsoul who can get around some of the barriers to entry.

Honestly though your best bet is if you're allowed 3.5 stuff and use that power of cybernetics homebrew, which is incarnum except better designed, better balanced, and puts the akashic stuff to fucking shame.

>> No.49298727

>>49298691
Just to point out, "this shit doesn't exist in pathfinder" is often heard on other forums, but pathfinder has crashed spaceships, aliens, robot spiders with lasers, plasma scorpions and portals to WW1 Earth with tanks and all.

Much like the original D&D, "that's not part of the fantasy" is a fucking lie.

>> No.49298741

Where's the benefit on using your natural weapons on Flurry of blows?

>> No.49298748

>>49298651
That Dante Must Die needs to exclude Initiators.

>> No.49298767

>>49298741
Natural weapons can have different damage types, or special effects on hit like grab or poison.

If your natural weapon is poisoned, you can normally only hit someone with it once a round, whereas with flurry, you could hit them with poison scads of times.

>> No.49298797

>>49298741
An Augmented Creature might have something utterly horrific as a natural weapon.

Like a colossal machinegun.

>> No.49298862

>>49298767
>>49298797
Ok, so in case of Skinwalker Monk better not even try

>> No.49298889
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>>49298651
Cheating a bit on DMD mode, but the best NPC villain I ever ran was a human 'god blade', which was basically me cheating with an initiator to give them access to all schools (TOB, not PoW), as well as an innate dead magic zone around them (which dead magic zones in 3.5 didn't work like antimagic and still allowed SU abilities, or at least that was the rules we had found), making someone with just SU abilities actually pretty nice for a group with weak system mastery like we had back then.

Good old Veral St. Cross was a true adversary to the party, and eventually I'd like to update them to PF with POW, even if they broke a few rules to be awesome.

>> No.49299076

>>49295531
>Why aren't you playing a huli jing pactmaker who drains people's life force from sex AND binds sexy spirits?

Make me.

>> No.49299151

>>49298651
Would a Halfling Ninja count as a Martial? She was, perhaps, the only antagonist I have ever thrown at my player who sent them flying into a legitimate panic every time she showed up. Every time the party fought her, she kicked their shit in, half of the time not even using the bullshit items she had prepared to use against them (such as her Spellstoring Ring that held a timestop).

First Fight? They were incapacitated for weeks as they tried to cure the Con-drain poison she used against them.

Second Fight? She Invisible Blade sneak attacked half of them into the negatives before they had a chance to retaliate.

Third Fight? They chugged their See Invisibility potions... but couldn't pierce her Hellcat Stealth, and got sneak-attacked to death while trying to run away.

Fourth Fight wasn't really a fight. A player new to the party thought it would be amusing to say "And why should we listen to your pint sized whore ass?" and got his ass assassinated during a parlay they had arranged with her.

Fifth Fight was her last, and it was a pyrrhic victory for the party, as it was 5 on 1 and she had dropped everyone but the investigator. He got 2 crits against her with his Revolver, the first of which she deflected arrows, but the second of which dropped her to the single digits. She ran off to lick her wounds, leaving him to drag the party out of a burning building.

At that point, she and her husband, a mid level bureaucrat in the Imperial Government and mastermind behind the conspiracy the party was slowly unraveling, decided to cut their losses and eliminate everyone who knew they were involved. Which was maybe half a dozen people, mostly the CEOs of some Alchemical Corporations. The campaign ended with the two of them drinking frozen drinks on the shores of the Ninja's ancestral home, while the party brought enough evidence to the cops to break up nearly twenty seven major corporations for illegal experimentation on humanoid life.

>> No.49299171
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So somehow through making bets on various party members in pit fights we ended up bankrupting and then buy out a whole city with plenty of pocket change leftover. I'm only a level 6 Inquisitor though, and honestly I feel like taking everything I can afford as far as wondrous items go would be kinda broken. Maybe I'll have him retire and switch to a new character...

>> No.49299178
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What should the distribution of PC class levels among the population be in an E6 game?

>> No.49299295
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My GM for an upcoming game is being a jerk favoring some players over others, whilst placing arbitrary restrictions on classes. What's an unassuming class that can be built pretty stronk?

>> No.49299347

>>49299295
Skald, bard, investigator, alchemist.

Some more information would be nice. 3pp? What classes is he restricting?

>> No.49299381

>>49299347
First party only. Any of the exotic classes are restricted. (Gunslinger, Samurai, Ninja, Antipaladin.)

>> No.49299424

>>49299295
If the GM is an asshole he's going to hinder whatever you build, so why even bother? leave

>> No.49299429

>>49299381
I'd say alchemist. But as >>49299424 says, you should probably either take it up with the GM or leave.

>> No.49299430

>>49299381
>Gunslinger, Samurai, Ninja, Antipaladin
Nothing on value was lost.

>> No.49299458

>>49299381
So anything is game but hybrid classes and gunslingers?

>> No.49299504

>>49299458
I'll get shit on if I play anything evil or otherwise morally shady since the GM doesn't like dealing with that, but yes.

>> No.49299524

>>49299347
I can second Skald. Take Expanded Spell Kenning and you get the Witch and Druid spell lists for Spell Kenning too.

>> No.49299528

>>49299504
So play a paladin. The most stick up his ass, by the books, insufferable paladin in existence.

>> No.49299538

>>49297425

Arcforged may work: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?452172-Dreamscarred-Press-Presents-quot-Arcforge-Technology-Expanded-quot

The main issue is not having good tech stuff for lower levels.

>> No.49299556
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>mfw several hours into a session, and I realize I'm not having fun and would rather be doing literally anything else
>mfw I was really enjoying all the sessions up until the past two or three, and can't figure out where the fuck I went wrong
>mfw can't even autopilot to the end of the session because my character's combat gimmick is "can summon things", despite being completely overshadowed in that area

Kill me now and burn the body. How's everyone else's games going? Any games in progress? Got any planning you're doing for future games?

>> No.49299562

>>49297425
>moredaka
>not moedaka

>> No.49299565

>>49298651
I'm the DM, so unfortunately I can't join in.
I like to think some of my martials make memorable bosses considering my players constantly bring up a monk they fought once

>> No.49299570

>>49299504
Make a wizard.

>> No.49299590

>>49299556
My game is finally ending after over a year.
Then the next one starts

>> No.49299612

DM hates weebshit. What's the most magic girl loli character I can mke?

>> No.49299614

>>49299556
My half-elf slayer is going pretty well. Alien enough to stand out, but not be totally autistic. And slayer is simple enough that my pea brain can handle it, while still giving me options.

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>yfw player wants to play a gunslinger
>yfw you say no, in fact here's completely different gun rules
>yfw they say never mind

>> No.49299620

>>49299556

I'm helping a buddy build a homebrew setting using Pathfinder. Unfortunately, they've got some weird ideas that don't translate well. Otherwise, it's a neat setting. It's got demons and stuff that aren't evil, humans are associated with beasts and were creatures, there's fey and undead that are sympathetic, and its looking to turn out neat.

>> No.49299827

>>49299612
Arcanist

>> No.49299829

>>49299612
A Spirit Guide/Duel Cursed Kitsune Oracle with Wrecking Mysticism as your primary curse, Child as your secondary curse, and a cute animal familiar with either the Emissary or Mascot archetype.

>> No.49299842

>>49299612
a kawaii witch

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>>49299612

A genki monk that describes her ki and supernatural abilities as inherently magical!

>> No.49299928

I seem to remember a DSP half-complete playtest class that combined Akashic veils with martial initiation. Did that ever get anywhere or did they drop it?

>> No.49299968

>>49299538
It's dead in the water and needed much adjustments. Does it even HAVE fucking heavy weapons for the mechs in it yet? I'm gonna click this and see.

No. No it doesn't. The son of a bitch actually gave up on the fucking thing in the middle of writing a fucking table entry.

>> No.49300057
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>>49299928
In a sense, neither.

>> No.49300059

Idk who remembers but I posted last week about playing my first pathfinder campaign in a while.

I picked Wizard and specialized in Necromancy. Then they told me the rest of the party is a Nuke Sorcerer, a Cleric, a Barbarian, and Me.

>> No.49300163

>>49300059
You and the Cleric need to work together to make an unstoppable undead army. Maybe you can turn your Barbarian buddy into a Graveknight.

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>>49300057

>> No.49300188
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>>49300057
Explain Further.

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>>49300188

>> No.49300218

>>49300170
>>49300188
He means it was never a thing, anons.

>> No.49300221

>>49300188
It never got anywhere but the ride refuses to end.

>> No.49300281

>>49300163
>>49300059
Don't forget to cast protection from evil twice daily, so you can maintain your "Good" alignment in character sheet.

>> No.49300284

>>49298651
Human female paladin, fallen to a God of madness.

She kicked their shit in, and made them think that they were doing it to each other, and they still talk about it today, five years later.

>> No.49300286

Starting my first proper campaign soon (Only ever did oneshots before)

All 1PP material is allowed, I chose a Half-Elf Draconic Bloodline Sorcereress, which I plan to take to Dragon Disciple at level 6.

The idea was to play a sort of Arthur Jerymn character who casts a fuckload of spells and can fly and shit.

Not sure what feats or skills to take, any idea? also do I need any armour?

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>>49300057

>> No.49300298

>>49299556
Something similar happened to me and turned out I was bored with the character, not with the campaign. I recommend you to retire it and try something else.

>> No.49300304

How suited would you say Pathfinder is for horror one-shots? To kick off my own personal month of horrors I'm planning on running a spooky one-shot with some friends visiting from out of town, and we decided to use Pathfinder as our system (because that and Dungeon World are pretty much all we know). However, given previous runs of Pathfinder I'm concerned that the system isn't designed for the kind of horror I'm going for.

The basic premise is supposed to be a very Lovecraft-esque premise, with combat being less important that evading a nightmare shadow that cannot be fought (at least not for most of the run). I like this idea greatly, but whenever I look at Pathfinder I get the impression it's more geared towards a "KILL ALLA ZOMBIEZ" style of horror where the players aren't allowed to ever feel actually powerless. Since I'm relatively new to GMing as a whole, I was hoping to get some input before I go too far planning.

The only reason we're not using Call of Cthulhu is because nobody wants to learn a new system for a one-off campaign

>> No.49300314

My GM doesn't allow traits (not even with additional traits feat).

Is there a way to raise caster level if I multiclass? Was going to play Winter Witch but the prestige class make me lost 1 caster level.

>> No.49300341

>>49299556
Tell the group that you're not having fun anymore? A reasonable GM and group would let you switch or take a break.

>> No.49300356

>>49300286
Dragon Disciple is generally a downgrade for Sorcerers - you're giving up spellcasting prowess in exchange for higher strength, dex and con, but you shouldn't be running up and smacking things with your staff anyway. This hurts for Sorcerers even more since you're already a half-spell level behind wizards. Being a full level behind (they're casting 5th level spells when you just start casting 4th level spells) really hurts.

If you're absolutely dead set on Dragon Disciple, don't go past 4th level. Personally though I think you're better off not bothering with a prestige class and just sticking with Sorcerer the whole way.

>> No.49300398

>>49300304
Pathfinder is just a system and can work. Just be careful with what classes people are playing - if the PC's decide to just teleport the fuck off, or if the Necromancer starts spamming Control Dead, your players might not find the game too spooky.

>> No.49300418

>>49300304
> spoiler
Thats the reason I still DM pathfinder.

>> No.49300421

>>49300356
If I go Draconic Sorcerer without the DD, do I still get all the cool half-dragon stuff later on?

>> No.49300433

>>49300286
You need magical knack trait, that's for sure.

Other than that, it's depend on your build. Are you going to melee?

>> No.49300445

>>49300421
If you really want to smash face with DD, go Bloodrager

>> No.49300458

>>49300286
By the time your Dragon Disciple can fly (level 15). Any Wizard/Sorcerer can already fly 15 hour per day (most will opt for Extend spell for 30 hour).

>> No.49300473

>>49300445
I want to cast a lot of spells predominately, but I really like the idea of being half dragon if not for just edgy roleplay.

The Wings and Claws and stuff is the main point, rather than any actual combat stuff

>> No.49300511

>>49300296
One or all of these faces needs to be replaced with lelf.

>> No.49300519

>>49300433
In reference to Magical Knack, what's a trait bonus and how does it work in practise?

I can't cast spells of a higher level than my character level anyway can I? And won't my hit dice always be the same as my character level?

>> No.49300525

>>49296716
I don't have the book yet to really dig through it,but I do have a fondness for Damian Darkstar, and Rasputin the carnival magician.

>> No.49300540

>>49300421
The Draconic Sorcerer gets claws, wings, a breath weapon, energy resistance, plus all the various Form of the Dragon spells.

Again, 4 levels in Dragon Disciple because the hit dice (d12) is pretty damn nice and the natural armor isn't bad.

The other benefits of the Dragon Disciple are generally useless. The +4 strength is worthless, the extra use of Breath Weapon is probably worthless, and you shouldn't be using the bite.

If you want to play a melee dragon-dude who tears us shit with claws and a bite and sometimes casts spells, then play a Draconic Bloodrager -> Dragon Disciple - the synergy is much better than Sorcerer -> Dragon Disciple.

>> No.49300560

>>49300540
What does 4 levels get me? Sounding like that'll be the better option for me

>> No.49300588

>>49300560
In that post I literally just typed out the benefits you will get from 4 levels. The loss of 1 level of spellcasting in exchange for better hit dice, +2 natural armor, and everything else is kind of useless.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/core-rulebook/dragon-disciple

>> No.49300591

>>49300540
Didn't dragon bloodrager not count for the purpose of DD advancing it? Since it's not a sorcerer bloodline, it's a bloodrager bloodline?

Honestly, the only thing that shits DD down the toilet for Sorcs is the Sorc's poor BAB. If they were 3/4 BAB (LIke say, motherfucking Clerics), then it'd be fairly solid. You wouldn't need quite so much BAB to do alright in melee since you'd be mostly natural attacks.

Now I think about it, 3/4 BAB for sorcerers probably wouldn't go down terribly anyway.

>> No.49300670

>>49300519
Trait bonus is just a type of bonus (example of other type: morale,luck,race,sacred etc.), bonus of the same type usually doesn't stack, only the higher apply.

Magical knack wouldn't help you if you're a pure Sorcerer, but Dragon Disciple doesn't progress your spell casting at level 1,5 and 6. Which mean you lost 3 caster level.

Sorcerer 6 / DD 6 without Magical Knack = 10 caster level.

Sorcerer 6 / DD 6 with Magical Knack = 12 caster level.
Dragon Disciple lost several caster level.

>> No.49300691

>>49300591
They count. There is already a faqs for that. Get on the the time, old man.

>> No.49300721

>>49300670
Oh my bad, I thought DD rose caster level too, thanks

>> No.49300733

>>49300691
I thought there was an FAQ saying it DIDN'T count?

Or is this the sort of thing that's been flipflopped over?

>> No.49300734

>>49300721
They do but not at every level. Check their chart.

>> No.49300738

>>49300591
The Pazio dev's answered in a faq for it. It's even a legal option for PFS.

>> No.49300741

So now that I have access to a copy of the OA play test:

How many of y'all would like to see some of the Medium's shoddier abilities replaced with the ability to channel a secondary spirit related to their first spirit?

>> No.49300768

>>49300733
> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1gw#v5748eaic9tml

> July 2015

No. It's been there since forever and never change.

>> No.49300769

>>49300738
Fair enough, I suppose.

What other classes could benefit from DD, even without a dragon bloodline? Cuz that's not a requirement, recall, just a bonus.

Like, that shitty child of amazing amazons Fighter could sneak in there. Bards, Magi...

>> No.49300922
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49300922

I want to play a loli with the biggest sword possible, what can I do besides going tiefling and getting weird arms?

>> No.49300932

>>49300922
Only Tiefling or Half-Giant.

>> No.49300945

>>49300922
That's a cute picture, where is it from?

>> No.49301012
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>>49300932
Well that sets the race but isn't there anything I could do with classes, feats or spells?
>>49300945
Battle Princess of Arcadia

>> No.49301030

>>49299556
>my character's combat gimmick is "can summon things", despite being completely overshadowed in that area

Sounds like you need to get a specialization that someone else in the party doesn't have. You're probably not having fun because there's no reason for your character to be there from a brutally logical perspective.

Source: A guy who generally only plays martials that's been in parties with Summoners. Yes, multiple.

>> No.49301033

>>49300932
or dreige

>> No.49301036

>>49300922
Titan Mauler Barbarian maybe? I don't remember if there's any other class that gets bonuses for wielding oversized weapons

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>>49301012
Wait, is that PSN only? I'm now super bummed!

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>>49300298
>>49300341
>>49301030
I'll talk to my GM about it at least, but it's less "I don't like my character and don't want to play them" and more "the things he can do, the new guy can do better and more frequently". I guess I still have magic item crafting, but that would require downtime, and a party that cooperates and tells me what they want me to make them.

I should have just played a regular alchemist. No matter how much I adore the Promethean/Preservationist memebuild, it was dead in the water the second the new guy was allowed to bring a summoner.

>> No.49301206

>>49296618 Here

I opted for dropping the sword, and instead taking the spear and swapping between them.

Figured I'd get quick draw, and switch to a short range weapon if necessary.

Now, planning for he future, I was wondering what weapon set from the Fighter's Advanced Weapon Training I should focus on.

I'm torn between Spears (With Longspear for 10ft, Spear for 5ft and Javelins for ranged combat) or Polearms (With a Bardiche and a Halberd for cool points). Polearms fits what I originally wanted better, but spears would be more versatile since I could theoretically throw javelins quickly thanks to quick draw. Like with a quiver but filled with javelins. Polearms also has all the cool weapons like the Lucerne or the Glaive-Guisarme.

Which would you think would be a better choice? Are javelins worth the lamer set of weapons to focus on?

On a side note, the feat Lightning Swap from PoW, it says "You may draw or put away a weapon as a free action. You cannot make more weapon swaps per round than your Dexterity modifier."

Am I to understand I can holster one weapon and draw another with a single simple action? First sentence implies not, but the second makes me think think I could, otherwise why limit the amount of times I can actually do it per round?

>> No.49301219

>>49301030
>Summoners
That happened to me once, and I hated them ever since.

>> No.49301237

I'm making a Human Urban Raging Cannibal Barbarian with Eldritch Heritage: Imperious and you can't stop me!

>> No.49301278

>>49301152
Ask your DM to allow you to upgrade your homunculus via craft construct rules or to get class levels. (cant be that much stronger than getting a cohort)
When I played a promethean I managed to turn the hommy into a somewhat decent archer.
In my experience gms that accept summoners are like girls with tatoos: they will do pretty much anything you ask them to.

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>>49301237

>> No.49301293

>>49301206
Quick Draw only lets you DRAW weapons as a Free.

You still have to put them away as a Move, OR drop them as a free, but then to pick them up is another action which provokes AoOs.

>> No.49301307

>>49301293
Go away, Pazio

>> No.49301311

>>49297059
I miss spelljammer games.

>> No.49301314

>>49301293
Well you could use weapon cord to...

>> No.49301358

Hello, all. Update to the Spellburst Savant, which is mostly just typo fixes... And an OGL section and new cover. After putting some thought into my work, my spare time, and what I want to do right now, I've decided to open a Patreon page, which can be found here:

https://www.patreon.com/forrestfirestudios

I'm going to be making more homebrew/3pp on my own as time goes on, using this page as a hub for it. There's more details on exactly how this will work on the page itself, but the big things to note:

>The stuff I write will all be represented in PDFs like the Spellburst Savant
>These PDFs will be available to anyone to look at/use/feedback on, not just Patreon patrons
>DSP has their eye on my work to pick up and publish things they like, but otherwise, I'm going to be publishing them myself once I think a given project is ready
>There's a list of upcoming projects that I'm tossing around on the Patreon page. Patrons get to vote on which I write in a given month.
>It's monthly, not per-release. I'm confident that I'll be able to write up at least one thing like the Spellburst Savant's PDF each month. Sometimes they'll be smaller, sometimes they'll be bigger, sometimes it'll end up half-written and another project picked up if I have major writer's block, it'll still happen.

NOW. As I've set up some new drive stuff just for this, the permanent link to the Spellburst Savant has changed:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5HkyGRtGZy3T3lfQThtVDRkMU0?usp=sharing

This link (also on the Patreon page) will take you to a Google Drive folder that I'll be storing my projects in, and keeping the PDFs updated.

Thanks for your time.

>> No.49301366

>>49301206
You could always go the reach weapon and spiked gaunlet route. That'd allow threatening at least, and you could still two-hand all without needing quickdraw

>> No.49301391

>>49301358
So, how's this going to affect your relationship with DSP?

>> No.49301406

>>49301391
They put me in a skirt & short top with some pom-poms and a cheer script for her.

We all coo', anon. We alllll coo'.

>> No.49301409

>>49301391
Anon, please. Prying into other people's relationships is very bad manners.

>> No.49301419

>>49300741
I still much prefer the original Harrow mediums from the playtest.

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>>49301391
My relationship with DSP is unchanged. Right now, I'm taking an extended leave because of personal life reasons, but they want me back when I get the chance to return.

If/When I have the ability to work actively with DSP again, this will remain a thing in order for me to write and publish ideas that don't fit into DSP's established paradigm.

>> No.49301440

>>49301366
No reason not to do both. I actually liked the quick draw approach.

>>49301293

Ok, but can I actually swap weapons entirely with a single simple action if I get Lightning Swap? That's what I want to know.

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>>49295531
Is there any way to avoid the AOO inherant to using an Alchemist Bomb? There's another for throwing in melee, but if an enemy has 15+ reach it can make it impossible to effectively use that feature in an enclosed area.

Would some kind of Bombing Defensively be viable?

>> No.49301485

>>49301440
If I recall, Lightning Swap is the shittier of two feats that let you do that.

What you actually want is Mixed Combat. It doesn't require 15 dex and doesn't have a limit on the number of swaps.

>> No.49301486

So, I have a stupid question about Aegis.

Can we have different customizations for all his suits, or does he have the same customizations no matter what suit he has?

>> No.49301488

>>49301206
If third party is indeed an option, Mixed Combat does everything Lightning Swap does without the stupid restriction, and stops it from provoking.

>> No.49301499

>>49301358
Wow, this looks pretty impressive! Reading now. The first thing that comes to mind is that, even though they do grow to be quite different with different strengths, at 1st and 2nd levels it does everything a Wizard does, with higher hit die, Reflex save, etc. Am I wrong there?

>> No.49301518

>>49301448
Breath Weapon Bomb?

It specifically doesn't provoke an AoO like normal bombing does, and isn't a ranged attack, so it doesn't provoke there either.

>> No.49301528

Despite having written what is arguably the most popular guide in pathfinder for the Alchemist, when making an Alchemist, I have to resort back to said guide.

My memory is terrible.

>> No.49301541

>>49301435
>write and publish ideas that don't fit into DSP's established paradigm.

But this is your best work.

Ever.

Granted, calling it homebrew and then rebranding it way later is pretty shitty, but still.

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>>49301499
No, you're right. That's actually a bit awkward, and I'm going to bump their spells prepared at level 1 and 2 down a bit, since they have the fundamentals too.

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>>49301406
>gags

>>49301435
publish ideas that don't fit into DSP's established paradigm.
Chabinger confirmed!

>> No.49301561

>>49301485
>>49301488

Only 3pp allowed is PoW.

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>>49301528

Well, you've been working on other classes. And alchemist has a lot of options.

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>>49301278
The Construct rules thing might be a hard sell, but I could probably slip at least a few upgrades off it without pissing anyone off. That would require downtime to do, though, and that's been a bit scarce. I got a few custom discoveries okayed, but they've been a little underwhelming, and getting the GM to look at more has proven kind of frustrating.

The class levels thing I should be able to get, though. Especially since the summoner is also yanking Leadership out from under me. If I get that greenlit, what would be a good way to rule it? Should I also just be extremely simple and go for a Mutation Warrior Fighter?

>> No.49301576

>>49301561
Well it is from psionics, which is still DSP.

And they're basically the same fucking feat, except Mixed Combat is slightly less shit.

>> No.49301579

>>49301528
It's almost as though writing is a better storage device for essentially random information than your brain's relativistic storage system.

Go figure.

>> No.49301597

>>49301563
There's over 40 people on that guide now.

One day I will update it.

That day is not today.

Probably not fucking tomorrow either.

>>49301579
Well that just doesn't make a lick of sense, sonny. My friend wanted me to build them an alchemist that didn't use bombs, so beastmorph it was.

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>>49301541
>But this is your best work.
>Ever.

Dang, thanks. That means a lot.

>Granted, calling it homebrew and then rebranding it way later is pretty shitty, but still.
Yeah I don't have any defense for that. It was homebrew and the homebrew versions will be floating around forever now, but such is life.

>>49301556
I was thinking initiating antipaladin at some point, though I don't have any good ideas for it yet and want to focus on other things for now.

>> No.49301652

>>49300741
What people want is the playtest medium, with all 54 spirits. Seifter had all of them ready to go, Paizo doesn't want to release them.

If you really want to homebrew anything for the medium, go over the playtest thread for clues and trie to recreate the missing spirits. The man who does that will be achieve fleeting internet fame, like ertw and his beguiler conversion.

>> No.49301665

>>49301435
All right, that's what I wanted to know. Hope things get better for you, and I'll be supporting you until then!

>>49301406
pix pls

>> No.49301694

>>49301601
>>49301358
Just a note, you don't have any credits towards either Psionics Unleashed or Akashic Mysteries in any part of the book, despite using material from both.

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>>49301665

I may not be Gareth, but I hope this is good enough for you anon

>> No.49301718

>>49301152

Have you tried playing an Occultist?

>> No.49301723

>>49301708
where's the fucking pom-poms asshole

>> No.49301729

>>49301597
No, I meant
>I have to resort back to said guide.

As in, your memory isn't terrible. It's pretty normal considering how much shit there is in the guide. Actually memorizing all of it would require significantly more effort than writing it down in the first place.

>>49301601
In the future, don't actively deceive people, unless you mean to say that you didn't have the idea of publishing it at first, which is possible but, considering the place we're in, fairly unlikely to me. It wouldn't be the first scummy thing a publishing company's done.

I'm look at you, TSR.

Also.
>initiating antipaladin

I talked to Gareth about this back when LotN was in playtesting. I was looking at the Paladin archetype for inspiration, but as I looked through the features, it's... Well, there isn't really a whole lot that you can simply reverse. Base Antipaladin features are pretty much just "take the Paladin and make everything backwards". Mercies become debuffs, lay on hands becomes damage, smiting Evil becomes smiting Good, you get an EEEVIL pony instead of a shiny one, and so forth.

But the only discipline with a direct opposite is Silver Crane, and that's Black Seraph. And then there's Eternal Guardian which doesn't seem to know if it's Neutral or Evil considering how it uses Intimidate and curses. Then the rest of the disciplines are pretty much all alignment agnostic, and entirely on purpose, because a means of stabbing a dude /usually/ doesn't care about the morality of who you stab or why you're stabbing them. It's a stab method, as neutral as the sword you're stabbing with.

If I was going to have one key initiating Antipaladin feature, it would probably be a means of overcoming immunity to Fear effects, probably at level 4 so it's outside of the usual dipping range. Dread/Antipaladin would still be workable, I guess, but if you heavily emphasize Black Seraph and allow them to shove their Cruelties onto the end of Strikes they make, it could be good I guess.

>> No.49301733

>>49301652
>Seifter had all of them ready to go, Paizo doesn't want to release them.
This makes me mad on an altogether unreasonable level.
We could have had a unique, flavorful class that no two people would play the same way. Instead we got a watered down crappy version pumped out because of precious pagecount and it was taken up with shit with like the psychic and the wasted potential of the kineticist.

>> No.49301738

>>49301708
>3dpd
Please go and stay go.

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>>49301694
I actually do for Akashic Mysteries, though I forgot to step back through Psionics Unleashed on top of listing UltPsi. Thanks for the catch on that.

>>49301729
>unless you mean to say that you didn't have the idea of publishing it at first

That is honestly what happened. This patreon was something that a couple friends encouraged me to get, and it hadn't occurred to me at all up until then. I was also under the impression that it wouldn't fit well at all in DSP's lineup at the time.

>> No.49301776

Hey OccultFag! Can I see the undying soul prc?

>> No.49301784
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>>49301601
Forrest always does this shit where "It's homebrew!" but then it becomes a product sold for $$$REAL DOLLAZ$$$.

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>>49301738
Totes gross, right?

>> No.49301803

>>49301738

As a note, I dont even remember why I had this pic saved on my laptop under the filename "me in a dress"

>>49301723
Gareth stole them

>> No.49301811

>>49301733
>>49301652

I'll try that, but keep in mind, I'm going to be making it a bit simpler and less esoteric (because the more I read over the Playtest Medium, the more of a clusterfuck the rules seem desu), but HOPEFULLY just as customizable. If you've got a link to the playtest threads, that would be great.

What I'm aiming for is there being six "Big Spirits" which are the mythic paths. Then there are "Associated Spirits" which are like all of the Playtest spirits. Big Spirits give you four powers at the Medium's pregression, Associated Spirits give you three powers at a slightly slower progression.

That sound alright to you two?

>> No.49301815

>>49301784
Didja miss the part where the goods are still free, and the patreon is just for donations/if you want to vote on what she does next?

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>>49301784
Yeah, really not sure what to say, there. The Roil Dancer was 100% homebrew up until Gareth and Bossman Viking went "hey, let's publish this."

The Spellburst Savant was the same up until people raised the idea of getting a Patreon.

It's a bit awkward, but at least now with this stuff it'll be completely clear that this is material that will eventually be published in some form.

>> No.49301822

>>49301803
Oh, okay, that's fair.

>> No.49301844

>>49301811
Give it a shot!

>> No.49301849

>>49301818
>The Roil Dancer was 100% homebrew up until Gareth and Bossman Viking went "hey, let's publish this."

Sounds like you're being taken advantage of.

At least now you're getting paid.

I dare you to include this shithole in the credits, seeing as we gave you most of the feedback.

I mean, fuck, I basically gave you all of those massive changes you made to the Artificer-esque one. Hi, it's me, that one fucker.

>> No.49301858

>>49301818
Hey, Forrest, can I pay you extra to not make anime waifu shit?

>> No.49301861

Can an Eidolon take ranks in Linguistics with its four extra class skills to speak and understand languages?

>> No.49301876

Hey guys - quick question: Does the Zenith Strike line of maneuvers bypass Mirror Image?

>> No.49301882

>>49301876
No, why would it?

>> No.49301888

>>49301861
I would say yes, and point out that I think they can speak and understand whatever languages their summoner does?

>> No.49301895

>>49301849
We've included you guys in credits before, y'know.

>> No.49301904

>>49301882
One of the players thought that because it was a sense motive check rather than an attack roll, it doesn't.

>> No.49301908

>>49301895
Wait, you guys have? What product, and what does it say under the credits? "Pathfinder General"?

>> No.49301911

>>49301895
Did it sell better, or worse?

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>>49301849

jesus fuck lmao

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>>49301518
Sounds like a good start. How would that interact with Grenedier Archetype's directed bomb?

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>>49301849
You sound like an asshole.

>> No.49301935

>>49301911
It didn't sell better or worse because of a thing literally no one looked at, you egomaniac

>> No.49301965

>>49301918
It's an option you choose that changes how your bomb works. Like choosing between using directed bomb and a normal bomb.

>> No.49301966

>>49301904
Nah, you still don't know which image to Zenith Strike. Mirror Image still applies.

>> No.49301971

>>49301849
>Sounds like you're being taken advantage of.

Eh, I got paid for it. I'm just making sure to not make the mistake of tagging things Homebrew again now.

>I dare you to include this shithole in the credits, seeing as we gave you most of the feedback.
Yeah, I likely will, along with some other places. I totally forgot to add a line about that.

>I mean, fuck, I basically gave you all of those massive changes you made to the Artificer-esque one. Hi, it's me, that one fucker.

Hey, thanks. That was very helpful.

>>49301858
I have yet to intentionally make something waifu yet. So far, the stuff I've done I wrote and it was pointed out to me after the fact.

Sometimes by you guys.

But I do take inspiration from anime and my tastes in ttrpg options are probably clear by now.

>> No.49301975

>>49301933
Hey, don't use that image while being insulting to people!

>> No.49301976

>>49301888
Yeah, one of my players asked me for the summoner I'm building. I asked here before I found the rule about sharing languages.

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>>49301971
Forrest, you need to include all the anime. At the same time. Also good luck with what you're doing, it'll be cool to see what you come up with on your own!

For those of you who've picked up Legendary Vigilantes, some archetypes were moved to other books (no, we didn't lose investigative detective and trickshot sniper), those are being included in different books, so they're not dead.

I'd cry every tear if I lost Trickshot Sniper.

>> No.49302027

I noticed there's a rogue archetype that trades off some sneak attack and some rogue tricks to get magus-style spellcasting. Is there an archetype that does something similar for monks, giving them the ability to cast spells (and not the Quiggong archetype, I'm talking actual spellcasting).

>> No.49302032

>>49301971
>I have yet to intentionally make something waifu yet
I refuse to believe the kitsune stuff wasn't on purpose.

>> No.49302046

>>49301908
I mean, Qanon literally handed her the name for the Avant Guard, didn't she get credit for that

>> No.49302066

>>49301573
Archer Paladin Homunculus of justice.
I tried to do that because My promethean alchemist was an NPC pot seller that didn't had any interest in becoming an adventurer, but his childhood friend paladin got killed and thus he used his blood to create an homunculus as goldfish replacement of sorts.

>> No.49302094

>>49302032
The kitsune stuff wasn't intentionally written for waifus, but because I enjoy kitsunes as a concept when they're not PF!Kitsunes and had been wanting to write them for Bloodforge 2 for easily half a year, but never got the chance.

>>49302046
I don't really have a habit of putting special thanks notes in my Google Docs.

>> No.49302110

>>49298156
I see no such link

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>>49302008
>Inquisitive/Investigative Detective moved to another book

OH BOY OH BOY Inspiration bumped up to level 3 I hope

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>>49302094
Weren't you here for over half a year? I'm sure you were influenced by us to make the kitsune. That instantly makes them waifu-bait.

>> No.49302119

>>49301918
Nigga just use a conductive bow + missile discovery to do 2 bombs at 100 feet.

>> No.49302121

Does an Eidolon's Max Attacks limit apply to types of attacks or total number of attacks available?

For example, a level 6 Summoner's Eidolon can have up to 4 attacks. Does this mean the Eidolon can't have 2 Claws, a Bite, and 2 Wing Buffets, or is that alright because it's only three types of attack?

>> No.49302130

>>49302115
I've never seen a single DM, /pfg/ or otherwise, who actually enforces kitsune-as-furries. Yokai is just codifying what basically every DM ever has arrived at independantly.

>> No.49302145

>>49302115
Yeah, it was probably unconsciously writing them as waifubait. The wave of shitposting that followed it was hilarious, if I'm gonna be 100% honest. Really though, it's odd to think about, since I just don't really /get/ the waifu stuff. Y'all remain really alien to me.

>> No.49302155

>>49302145
But Forrest. The real waifu was inside you all along.

>> No.49302169

>>49302155
Kinky.

>> No.49302171

>>49302145
Oh no, I agree. It was hilarious. I'm just poking fun. Though, to me waifu/husbando is just the character I enjoy most in the show. Not really proper.

>> No.49302175

>>49302145
Come on, what man doesn't like cute girls? The kind who likes cute traps, but your cute kitsune option has got them covered too. Thanks.

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>>49302130
As someone playing a yokai who never leaves fox form, I support this statement

>> No.49302182

>>49302111
I'll message the publisher about it tonight, no idea when the book that it's coming out in is being put out.

But yeah, 3rd level will make it compatible with more things, probably helps the power level too.

I still need to sort my shit out for the next 3 ideas I have, 2 being collabs with another writer (one that isn't Team KOP), and at least one that isn't (the dragon book), as well as no direction on what to do in the slightest.

Whee!

>> No.49302220

>>49302145
What is so hard to get?
Here is a mental exercise: Imagine all the good things you think about a girl you fall in love at first sight, then compare it to what happens when you actually know how much of a piece of shit she really is after interacting with her.
A waifu is like that but without ever realizing what a piece of crap she is because you cant never actually meet her in real life.

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>>49301965
Alright, so 15ft cones in melee, 30ft ones and 80ft lines at a distance, got it.

>>49302119
That sounds more optimal but I'm a vile human being.

>> No.49302232

>>49302180

There's a thought-so much is said about yokai pretending to be humans, and walking around as humanoids, but no one ever seems to just play the fox.

Which seems like it could actually be pretty funny.

>> No.49302238

>>49302182
>2 being collabs with another writer (one that isn't Team KOP)
Is it Forrest? If not, can you pencil in a slot for Forrest? And then maybe afterwards, if you have time, fall in love and have cute babies? :D

>> No.49302255

>>49302238
Stop being creepy.

>> No.49302266

>>49302228
Is everything about to change, when the Fire Nation attacks?

>> No.49302280

>>49302220
That's probably the best description I've seen of waifus in a while.

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>>49302119
>>49302228
Wait no I'm a dumbass and can just put this on a melee weapon and attack a 5ft square if I can't hit their AC. Thanks a bunch Anon!

>> No.49302310

>>49302228
>>49302119
I'm fairly sure Bombs don't work with Conductive.

The Bombs ability is not itself a touch attack, but an ability which gives you a splash weapon (Which is a touch attack)

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>>49302266
Actually not that far off from the introduction to our current campaign. I did consider just going Kineticist with fire punches but the alchemist/technology aspect fits the setting better and lets me lead in as a potential follower of another character.

>> No.49302325

>>49302119
Conductive only works once per round, jesus fucking christ.

This conductive meme needs to die.

>> No.49302331

>>49302066
>Paladin
>the Homunculus comes stock with 7 Cha

I had a discovery that might patch that, and I guess the Craft Construct upgrades could fix it too, but still... Ehhhhhh. If I can get class levels on her, it's a tossup between an archetyped fighter, or a Stygian Slayer. The latter would probably be more fun, though fighter would probably be better for just going turret mode.

>> No.49302336

>>49302310
"A conductive weapon is able to channel the energy of a spell-like or supernatural ability that relies on a melee or ranged touch attack to hit its target (such as from a cleric's domain granted power, sorcerer's bloodline power, oracle's mystery revelation, or wizard's arcane school power)."

Bombs do rely on that touch attack for delivery, even if you're normally going to get auto-hits if you're aiming for squares/spaces instead of targets with actual AC values.

>> No.49302350

>>49302310
You are wrong, but since Jolly is here he can tell you himself. I got the idea from his guide
>>49302325
go read what explosive missile discovery does

>> No.49302371

>>49302336
>Bombs do rely on that touch attack for delivery, even if you're normally going to get auto-hits if you're aiming for squares/spaces instead of targets with actual AC values.

'Hit' is actually a specific game term. Splash damage isn't a hit, specifically, so things that work on a successful hit don't work with them - but it doesn't disqualify you from using Conductive with it.


Why wouldn't you just use a Launching Crossbow with an Autoloader Magazine and Rapid Reload, though? The Autoloader doesn't actually reload it with a bomb, but the ability it has to reduce reload times doesn't care.

>>49302350
Explosive missile is a specific Standard action like Vital Strike, it doesn't work as a full attack.

>> No.49302378

>>49302255
Where do you think you are? This is 4chan, the creepiest place in the net before you go deep. We out creep tumblr, deviantart and even the furries.

>> No.49302381

>>49302238
I'm up for collabing with anyone.

And oddly, this is like the second time today someone's brought up me having kids. First was at the park when I was with my niece.

>>49302350
It's an SU ability that requires a touch attack, not really sure what the problem is unless it was FAQ'd into oblivion. I think it's been talked about on the forums before, and no one has ever tried to correct anyone about using it.

>> No.49302393

>>49302378
>even the furries

No, Augunas outcreeped us by far.

>> No.49302414

>>49302381
>I'm up for collabing with anyone.

Would you collaborate with Hitler? What if he had a really, really, really good idea?

>> No.49302416

>>49302381
you wouldn't download a babby

>> No.49302420

>>49302180
Is... is that fox in a hoodie? Why?

>> No.49302431

>>49302414
Hitler would give us CHAbringers.

He was one.

>> No.49302446

>>49302371
I'm not seeing anything in the Combat rules that defines a "hit" like it does "effect."

I was aiming for an item creation suite of feats, haven't got the spare slots for the combat feats needed to make the crossbow combo worthwhile.

>> No.49302454

>>49302232
Basically what I did. And then the character ended up sounding adorable enough that I got a commission done (friend of a friend was doing cheap commissions, that picture was $15).

>> No.49302455

>>49302393
Nah, he just made a /d/ sample platter.

>> No.49302457

>>49302420

Because it's too warm for an overcoat, but too cold for just a shirt?

>> No.49302467

How do sneak attack interact with spells?

Sneak Attack Acid Arrow : Do the extra d6 apply on the following round?

Empower Spell Sneak Attack : Do empower spell affect sneak attack dice too?

>> No.49302483

>>49302467
no

no

>> No.49302486

>>49302420
Because Mrs Psybomb decided to knit him a sweater (it's a refluffed iron body cloak)

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>>49302371
So I was going to post this puchima reaction image that holds a sign that says " brain problems" as a reaction to your stupidity but I changed computers and dont have access to my insults folder so you will have to do with the mental image for now.
(also if so anon has it please share it with me, its one of my favorites and it will be a shame for me to lose it for good)

>> No.49302494

>>49302467
>Sneak Attack Acid Arrow : Do the extra d6 apply on the following round?
No, only on the initial attack.

>Empower Spell Sneak Attack : Do empower spell affect sneak attack dice too?
No, Empower only affects the spell dice.

And in case you're wondering, for spells that launch multiple attacks (Magic Missile, Scorching Ray, etc) you pick only one missile and apply your sneak attack to it.

>> No.49302499

>>49302310
Bombs ability actually include range touch attack in it.

>> No.49302512

>>49302414
Anon ask the tough questions.

>>49302416
I super wouldn't, I don't want a babby for the next rest of my life.

If someone can find something that says I'm wrong about the bomb thing, I'll change it. In the meantime, I need to add that one cyclops hat to all my guides later.

>> No.49302517

>>49302467
If I remember one of the FAQ replies, Sneak Attack applies to any spell that deals damage to a target who would normally be vulnerable to sneak attack; flat-footed, denied dex, unaware of your presence and intent to harm, etc.

Likewise IIRC that includes Sneak Attack AOE damage spells like Fireball as well as attack roll spells like Scorching Ray.

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>>49302494
>>49302467
Sneak Attack count as part of the spell damage dice though.

>> No.49302524

What are some fun E6 builds for pathfinder? I am playing a ranger currently, but might switch out. Maybe as a Magus/Rogue/Arcane Trickster for a spread of skills and shenanigans?

I'm specifically looking for fun/interesting, I doubt my group is going to need someone as super-damage dealer.

>> No.49302526

So a medium creature with two arms can wield medium two handed weapon, a large one handed weapon, or a huge small weapon.

Can a medium creature with four arms wield a large or huge weapon?

>> No.49302553

>>49302499
Yes, but that's because it's a splash weapon. It's like an alchemist's fire.

It's like saying you'd be able to use Conductive on any other 'create a weapon' effect so long as it was touch.

>> No.49302577

>>49302494
>>49302483
See >>49302523.

Unless it been faq'd away. Sneak Attack dice isn't a separate effect, thus Empower spell do affect it. Since it count as part of the spell damage roll.

>> No.49302589

>>49302517
Sneak attack only functions on attacks, so.

No.

>> No.49302590

>>49302553
"A conductive weapon is able to channel the energy of a spell-like or supernatural ability that relies on a melee or ranged touch attack to hit its target"

No just any of the above text's clearly defined effects. Of which bomb has no reason not to fall under. Supernatural ability that requires a touch attack as part of its functionality.

>> No.49302609

>>49302517
The AoE damage spell faqs was specifically for Arcane Trickster's capstone ability.

Otherwise, it work fine as long as there is an attack roll.

>> No.49302614

>>49302523
>>49302577

No, that's wrong

Scorching ray does [4d6] + let's just say [2d6] sneak attack damage, only the 4d6 part can be improved by empower spell

It's just like how critical hits don't multiply sneak attack damage on a weapon attack

>> No.49302623

>>49302523
With the note that that FAQ is fucking retarded, you are correct. RAW and RAI Empower, Maximize and all other forms of dice-modifying metamagic also modify sneak attack damage dice added to a spell's damage.

>> No.49302630

>>49302553
Is it SU?
check.

Is it rely on melee or ranged touch attack to hit its target?
check.

>> No.49302634

>>49302589
Ah shoot, sorry did a little digging and I got it mixed up with the Arcane Trickster's surprise spell feature. My bad.

>> No.49302662

>>49302614
>Empower Spell:
Benefit: All variable, numeric effects of an empowered spell are increased by half including bonuses to those dice rolls.

As per the FAQ, all of the damage dice are added together into a single pool. This means your Scorching Ray deals 6d6 damage and Empower would boosts it to 9d6.

>> No.49302664

>>49302614
>It's just like how critical hits don't multiply sneak attack damage on a weapon attack

That's actually irrelevant. You're right that it doesn't work, but it doesn't work because Sneak Attack isn't a part of the spell's effect.

Just like you can't empower the damage from Elemental Nimbus (fire) Stance on Scorching Rays. It's still a really good thing to use, but it won't be boosted by it.

>> No.49302692

>>49302664
But it is part of the spell according to JB. :3c

>> No.49302695

>>49302662
Sneak Attack damage isn't part of the spell, it won't multiply. It's just always the same damage type as the attack that causes it.

>> No.49302706

Wow look at you guys actually talking about the rules instead of indulging in regular degeneracy.
Its almost like this is actually a game.

>> No.49302708

>>49302692
Wrong, it just has the same damage type.

>> No.49302714

>>49302705 NEW THREAD
>>49302705 NEW BREAD
>>49302705 NEW DREAD
>>49302705 NEW TREADS
>>49302705 NEW CRED

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>>49302706

>> No.49302730

>>49302706
Fuck you man, post arcane catboy traps

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>>49302714
Forgot anon, you beat me to it. Was waiting until page 8 like a sane person
I even had this image chosen for it

>> No.49302774

>>49302706
Now, to be perfectly fair, the recent degeneracy Was actually part of a published product, since both the 1pp and 3pp content is already pretty degenerate to begin with.

Why else do you think this game attracts so many degenerates?

>> No.49303196

>>49302526
A medium creature with levels in Fighter (Titan Fighter) can wield a Large two handed weapon

A medium creature with levels in Fighter (Titan Fighter) and Thunder & Fang feat can wield a Huge Earthbreaker

>> No.49303674

>>49296134
Don't play warders.
>>49296029

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Hey anons, I'm playing a Luchador (Tetori Monk), and I was wondering what the best things to shout when grappling a pinning an enemy. The campaign will be wild-westish if that helps.

>> No.49303775

>>49299928
Insider here: Ssalarn wrote it, completed it, and emailed it to Jeremy and Andreas last yearish. They forgot and decided to assign it to some other freelancer.

>> No.49303822

>>49303775
Ssalarn is that you

>> No.49304502

>>49303822
I wish. I'm only halfway decent at writing feats and items. Pretty good at rules language parsing though.

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