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49194426 No.49194426 [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

>that guy who plays a super amazing goddess mary sue but just comes off as bitchy and is useless
>that guy who puts all his points in a useless school like evocation
>that guy who thinks they're playing WoW, makes a tank and uses dex as a dumpstat
>that guy who plays a boring bumfuck "normal" person in a fantasy setting
This is your group

>> No.49194459

No. My group is worse than that.

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>that guy who thinks they're playing WoW, makes a tank and uses dex as a dumpstat
Not only is KonaSuba about MMO cliches, the blonde one isnt min-maxed poorly she just fetishizes being a meat shield to the point that she is useless as anything else.

Also, pic related.

>> No.49195638

>>the blonde one isnt min-maxed poorly
>misses every attack

>> No.49195727

at least the boring bumfuck normal guy knows the correct way to being challenged to honorabu combataru

>> No.49196118

>That guy who thinks he's an incredible DM but he just keeps reusing the same shit over and over

>> No.49196278

Defeat by modesty/embarrassment, the only honorable manner of combat.

>> No.49196363

yeah, if it ever gets another season, it would be fun for the epic big final battle to conclude with her, SOMEHOW, landing a blow... and it doing Mob Psycho 100 levels of damage.

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>that one guy who keeps making shitty /a/ threads on /tg/ that are only tangential to traditional games.

>> No.49197641

>mary sue
I don't see how that applies, considering she's a total bitch, and regularly gets called on it.

>> No.49197696


...Is that that one guy from Jojo's Bizzare Adventure?

>Captcha: storefront signs "Dio"

>> No.49198053

Best post

>> No.49198595

I'm not going to complain about Dungeon Meshi threads and neither should you.

But a lot of people love being contrarian for the hell of it, so I guess you will.

>> No.49198970

>>49195638 Part of min-maxing is being bad at things you don't care about.

>> No.49201343

>That guy who doesn't realise the GM setting is a parody of previous settings

>> No.49201379

>that DM who planned the campaigns so deeply he makes his players play the same scenario twice, but playing as the BBEG against their previous characters without them noticing each time

>> No.49201408

>Trickster CG cleric
>Crown paladin with the grapler feat and low Dex
>Lvl 1 wizard who forcibly casts one spell that drops them to 1 Hp
>Dude with a 13 in every stat and multiclassed Arcane trickster/Bard/Ranger

>> No.49201430

>that party that wins and defeats all the enemies it's encountered

Hate all you like, but all your min-maxed edgelords would still be brooding in dark tavern corners.

>> No.49201610

Dungeon Meshi is based off of tabletop cliches, so Dungeon Meshi crossboards to /tg/. Konosuba uses MMO cliches, so Konosuba crossboards to /v/.

>> No.49201633

He gets beheaded and all their major victories are Pyrrhic (for their wallets)

>> No.49201646
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That's not fair on evocation-dude. He can use other builds too! His problem is different.
>that guy who can only play one character personality

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Konosuba has no MMO cliches, it's a mix of JRPG and P&P parodies. Unless you count monster-hunter style online lobbies as MMOs which they aren't.

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This is the face of a man who realized that having your own harem isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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>That guy, who brings over his girlfriend to the table without asking anyone else in the group if it was okay.

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>> No.49205296

but he's only boning one of them and hates another

>> No.49206436
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oh damn it, now I can't stop seeing him as Kakyoin

>> No.49206629


#2 and #4 can stay, the other two can fuck off

>> No.49207407

>Have to play mother may I for everything
>Always has to be as the GM wants, literally no concession ever in his part
>Every problem ever is due him not understanding how the system works
>Because we always fail (again, because of him) he has to introduce GMPCs in every game ever
>Blame us for his mistakes
>That player who has a inferiority complex yet keeps making weakass and useless characters on purpose
>That lolrandum player
I just want to be effective and succeed from time to time
I hate my town, nobody else to play with

>> No.49207482

>he's only boning one of them

>> No.49208973

What's the reference?

>> No.49209021

Shouldn't Dungeon Meshi crossboard to /ck/?

>> No.49209319

I think there was that succubus dream episode where, iirc, it was ambiguous if he screwed the paladin or if it was a dream. but i'm not the guy you replied to, so

>> No.49209343


No he just got a bathhouse treatment before the invading succubus got captured by the other girls, disrupting his massage time.

It was presumably the only thing saving Darkness's purity from herself.

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>That one guy who keeps RESPONDING to said shitty /a/ threads.

At least Dungeon Meshi keeps things vague enough that it could be about EITHER MMORPGs or Tabletop RPGs.

>> No.49209418


It's actually uses really early generation RPG games like Wizardry as its main inspiration. That's why it seem a bit like both.

>> No.49209423

In the LN Kazuma and Megumin are falling for eachother

>> No.49209488

You should since it's not tg

>> No.49209540

>that guy who plays a boring bumfuck "normal" person in a fantasy setting

God damn, if it weren't for that guy every single fucking party would be made up of an assortment of tieflings, dragborns, goliaths and gnomes.
God bless that guy for grounding the party at least a little bit.

>> No.49209654

>that chapter when he trades places with a member of an actually well-assembled/normal party

He absolutely would have traded permanently if given the option.

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I can see where that would come from, but that still seems to be a bit of a shift in tone from the parodying of the trapped in an fantasy world harem bullshit

>> No.49209734

Season 2 already scheduled for this winter

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>that guy who rolls up a hot-headed teenage sorceress then blows up whole towns with justifications of IT'S WHAT MY CHARACTER WOULD DO
>that guy who rolled a 9 in INT and thinks that means the dumbest motherfucker alive, except when it comes to combat
>that guy who convinced you to let him play his super special homebrew race
>that girl who plays a paladin and manages to roll a 1 on every other melee attack

I watched Slayers dubbed like 11 years ago. Should I go back and watch it subbed?

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>> No.49210237

Yeah, I figured. I was a teenager at the time, didn't know any better, and was visiting a relative who had the entire series on videotape.

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Source for it being scheduled coming winter?

>> No.49210623


>that guy who thinks they're playing WoW, makes a tank and uses dex as a dumpstat

Why do people keep doing this? Why do CRPGs keep doing this?

>> No.49210650


"Harem" would imply that they actually let him see things. Poor guy is just some lad yanked into what's probably a 3rd world country from his PoV.

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He's not playing his cards right, though he has the occassional flash of brilliance.

>> No.49210781

Dex was a good stat for tanks in WoW, but you had to make choices on what stats to prioritize and Dex was lower on the list.

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>> No.49211439
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It basically progressively becomes a harem in the novels. Just straight up. All of the girls are directing their fucked up love deficits (really fucking needing attention, legitimate crush, horny masochism, etc.) at him more and more.

Konosuba is Akatsuki's glorious femsub magical realm so it was bound to turn out that way.


It seems like a mixed bag, but they really do actually work remarkably well together, even if it's mostly Kazuma herding fucking cats. For all the bullshit and nonsense he has to deal with, Kazuma and his misfits lead pretty carefree lives because when they stress too hard about the small stuff they all just loath themselves so damn much.


rule of funny, if shit didn't keep dragging Kazuma is, we wouldn't have a plot


He absolutely says he would. But would he really? Would he really really?


Because Megumin is the most popular girl (even though the animu did its best to push Aqua). She's also the one who's least, uh, mentally ill about her feelings.

>> No.49211495

Fuck sake, dropped.

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You're just saying that because you don't actually have any idea what I'm talking about and assume the worst out of fear of the unknown. Come Winter you'll be back and DEEN will find a way to your heart. Just you wait, unbeliever.

>> No.49211621

oh. okay. she is probably the best girl out of the bunch.

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KonoSuba is not about MMO cliches, it's about P&P and JRPG cliches. Natsume Akatsuki is a tabletop nerd before she's a vidya nerd. The Adventurer's Card is meant to represent a character sheet.

>> No.49213260

Kind of.

One of the chapter cover pages clearly shows a dungeon map drawn on graph paper.

So really it's all 3.

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>not wanting to own a desperate goddess whose only real source of validation is you
>not wanting to chill with a cute jailbait evoker with an explosion fetish and the dokidokis for you
>not wanting the daughter of a rich and powerful noble family to be publicly recognized as your fuck toy after you crash her wedding

>> No.49216676

That post made me think of this show
> Guy hates girl A as she is crazy and clingy
> Girl B is to Girl A what Girl A is to guy
> Girl C is nice, even tempered
> classical Waifu
> likes the main character
> is straight up a dude
> main character very straight

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>> No.49216897

Nyarko was best girl though.

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>as she is crazy and clingy

Aaand he fears it's all a ruse by Nyarlathotep-as-written-by-Lovecraft and the moment he lets his guard down the SAN CHI PINCHI will become very real. He is too genre savvy for this shit. Given the occasional hints, especially later on in the novels (had to keep this shit going on somehow), his fears aren't totally fucking unsupported no matter how bullshit they probably are in a meta sense.

>"But anon, why the fuck would the Soul and Herald of the Daemon Sultan go to the trouble of crafting as intricate and involved a cosmos as the one Mahiro finds himself in?"

Crawling Chaos don't gotta explains hit.

>> No.49218145

>Big Final Battle
>Season 2
Yeah no, we aren't even at that in the LNs which are at like 8.

>> No.49218194


>The author of KonoSuba is a woman is a woman

That actually explains why Kazuma isn't a spineless wimp. I've been wondering about that for a while.


Never. Kazuma is the archetypical anti-hero. He's an agent of his own misery, and the situation he's caught in is one of his own (unintentional) designs. His inability to get out of it is his own damn fault.

>> No.49218391

I mean, despite his bastard tendencies he's not a bad person. But it's definitely one of those tempting things that gave him no end of smug satisfaction to prove that he is in no way "blessed" with a party of attractive girls.

>> No.49218761

>>That player who has a inferiority complex yet keeps making weakass and useless characters on purpose
Damn that one grinds my gears. Had to play with one of those, it was annoying as fuck to rescue his ass for the fourth time.

>> No.49218804

He totally would've traded. And /then/ fucked it up. By antagonizing the party in some way perhaps, for their /small/ flaws.

>> No.49218877


All I see is two PCs and a hireling commoner who has walking GM fiat to keep him from going splat.

>> No.49218907

>the picture is four people
>lists three

>> No.49218914


>Implying Blue isn't the GMPC

>> No.49219109

>Got the group to roll a d20 for their stats because "fuck it why not"
>Multiple natural 20s
>they're a bunch of walking gods
>douchedick sorcerer whose entire purpose is to walk around and antagonize people
>the guy with his feelings on his sleeve playing a druid
>only other semi-experienced person playing a soulknife Gearhead based off Con for whatever the fuck reason
>girl cleric who chose to heal using her vagina/mouth exclusively
>dick-ass thief who rolled really high for everything except wisdom/intelligence (3/4 respectively)
>black guy homebrew'd up a rune monk class with me
>girl who wanted to be an elemental weapons master and pretty much is
>one girl who has absolutely no idea what she's doing but wants to be an edgy joker style motherfucker
>New dude picked out Dragon-elf shadowsoul and is running free with his imagination
>girl who picked an overloaded to hell and back class who also has no idea what she's doing
the last girl is going to become the final-final boss and is most likely gonna accidentally kick everyone's shit in by nature of her class alone
good luck, guys, it's gonna be a wild ride

>> No.49219485

get the popcorn

>> No.49220021

Also, IIRC, the novel series ends with him finally giving in to her...and horrible screaming is heard from his room all that night.

I wish I could find one of those screencaps of that page...

>> No.49220052

>11 players
You absolute madman.

>> No.49220349

You need to keep us updated on their shenanigans

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>This guy who is always on the verge of playing randumb characters but make it work with a predicament makes a "tv writer's idea of what is cool to kids" character. He's a student, skater, DJ and transforms into a catboy with wrist mounted lazers.
>That guy who's german, brooding, popular with the girls and is actually a samurai that can go so fast he leaves after images.
>That girl who's japanese, older than the others, super sexy and is a ninja fighting with throwable war fans. Also she has telekinesy because fuck you.
>The DMPC who's scrawny and nerdy but somehow holds a lot of power over any encounters ad is an infinite source of asspulls.
>The DM's girlfriend's PC that's trapped in another dimension so she doesn't have to attend every session. Sh'es super intelligent and super lovey dovey with the DMPC. Can't fight for shit but can fly and alter reality around her. She is so special she is the key to make most of the McGuffins work.

>> No.49222672

Absolutely this. The entire point of his character is that he fucks it up himself constantly. He makes his decisions based on some selfish idea of what he wants, but then refuses to follow through.

The fucker could have set himself up way better if he'd just picked merchant in the beginning, but no, he had to be a hero. And then he refuses to actually attempt to be a hero.

>> No.49222780

>The fucker could have set himself up way better if he'd just picked merchant in the beginning
Or a thief, then he could upgrade his panty stealing to virginity stealing

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Aqua-sama is indeed a merciful goddess! I will toast a glass of tapwater to her honor because it's cheap just like her honor

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>> No.49223170

You're a saint.

>> No.49223348

NSFW: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1418498

>> No.49223397

Looks safe to me

>> No.49223421

Just in case because booru aren't known for being SFW.

>> No.49223466
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>booru aren't known for being SFW
>links to DANbooru, the normiest of boorus

>> No.49223507

>the normiest of boorus
This is not safebooru, danbooru still has content that would net you a ban here.
And for some reason there's a good number of translator there.

>> No.49223519

I forgot that existed

>> No.49223578
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>That girl who says "Can I have a fairy?" and plays a cleric
>That guy who says "I dunno, I guess I'll be a mayor or something"
>That girl who says "I have been reading the setting material for three days straight without food or sleep" and has eyes like this @[email protected]
>That guy who is witty but tells the DM to make something up for backstory

I wish this was my group.

>> No.49223679

>that guy who plays to get to the big-bad in the fastest most efficient way possible instead of just enjoying the RPG experience and having fun.

>> No.49223727

>super amazing goddess mary sue
That's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said about Aqua

>> No.49223881
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>That actually explains why Kazuma isn't a spineless wimp.

I know, right?

Akatsuki is also friends with Tappei Nagatsuki, Re:Zero's author, and they've had discussions about how he's a sadist and she's a masochist. Re:Zero is Nagatsuki angrily kicking the narou genre apart, while KonoSuba is essentially Akatsuki's magical realm and she's really happy everyone enjoys it so much.

Nagatsuki also got Akatsuki to write the preview for episode 18 of Re:Zero's anime adaptation. It turned out like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIgkGkZxC2g

Emilia and Megumin share the same seiyuu.

>he totally would've traded

It's more complicated than that. Part of the deal with Kazuma is that he keeps coming back to the old party even when he has an opportunity to escape it and the "mistakes" which drag him back into Konosuba's general status quo (which actually does evolve, granted; one of the reasons people like the series so much) always have an element of personal choice or "you could have easily avoided this" to them, the implication being he either secretly wants to be there despite his unending bitching or it's at least where he fits in best. So he acts ambivalent when he could finally gtfo.

Kazuma is a stubborn pessimist who shits on anything that isn't absolutely perfect (including himself) and can't see the forest for the trees. He sees his own talents in a distorted light, at once using his skills to act like he's hot shit while shackled to his past failures on Earth and harboring the idea that "objectively, I really sort of suck, don't I?" so he just stops caring. His party is a bunch of obtusely optimized deviants, but they always manage to pull through the worst of it (even though they end up tripping over the small stuff). He constantly comes through with clever solutions when it counts, but he's also exactly what >>49222672 describes.

KonoSuba actually has a lot of thought put into it (which is why it got popular).

>> No.49223882

No, but it's not about /int/bait or "ironically" obsessing over shitty youtubers

>> No.49223971
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>Author's a female masochist
>Kazuma goes about abusing majority of the females he meets

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>they either like it or it puts them in line, too
>and no one can say shit because Akatsuki is a woman

It helps that the story is fueled by karma.

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Why did you need to say she was female twice?

>> No.49224133

>and no one can say shit because Akatsuki is a woman

That's not even true in the USA.

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What do you mean "even"? America is the world's third wave feminism stronghold. Compare Japan, the country where female mangaka told the UN to fuck off with its anti-loli regulations.

>> No.49224243

Hilariously, I know more female loli artists/writers than male ones.

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>that guy who rolls edgelord character archetypes but barely roleplays them unless there's crunch incentive to do so
>that girl who's never played a TTRPG before and just plays herself as a ranger
>that guy who only plays for the sake of hanging out with his friends and always rolls tanky characters because everyone expects him to
>that guy who's the de facto party face by DM mandate even though he doesn't know how to roleplay it
>that girl who really wants to play TTRPGs but is too shy to ever say anything unless another PC practically forces her to
>that guy everyone liked who was a cool player all-around but had to move away because of work

>that group that rolled for stats and quickly regretted it

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Because she's open about it, presumably. The neural pathways for pleasure and shame are the same, so literally everyone has some potential as a masochist, the only difference is whether being dominant feels better/how pissed off giving up control makes you. A lot of women in at least American society are urged to either deny lewd things (by the religious right) or be a STRONK WOMYN (by radical liberals). They can make the decision for themselves, but these are cultural zeitgeists that have left us with a lot of unhappy, misguided people. Though I digress.

>> No.49224416

Which episode? Would totally watch that one.

>> No.49224677

>KonoSuba actually has a lot of thought put into it (which is why it got popular).
The best Comedies and Parodies do have a lot of thought put into them

Mind you I'm not saying this is one of "the best", it's just a point in the series favor

>> No.49224743


As far as anime and especially isekai fantasy goes, it is one of the best. It's one of two recent shows that have defied DEEN's decade of consistent incompetence and they didn't even seem to be trying all that hard, the material was just seriously funny.

>> No.49224758

I'm pretty sure one of the key animators worked on that anal vampire hentai so that was a pretty major factor.

>> No.49224794

>anal vampire hentai
I need a name...

>> No.49224804

I don't doubt it.

Seriously though, those fucking sales, jesus. Somebody high-up at DEEN must have been jizzing themselves since that shit got the fucking unicorn of season 2 announcements slammed down right at the end of its first one.

>> No.49224821

Real shit group you got there senpai

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Women like cute girls more than men do, news at 11

>> No.49224894

It's called Anal Vampire.
But yeah, pretty sure it's the same key animator. Might have worked on TSF Monogatari, too, now that I think about it.

>> No.49224941

What goddamn heroes.

>> No.49224951

>Space Cardiac Massage
Judging by how her other space techniques go, I'm going to assume this involves beating his chest with a crowbar.

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It's about the same. Everyone admires the cute, but there is a divergence in wanting to fuck the cute and wanting to be the cute so as to be fucked. It evens out.

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>> No.49225298

The OP image.
Read the novel man, it's good fun.

The characters are all basically munchkin builds with dysfunctional personalities.

The cleric:
A retarded godless who became the "cheat item" of the MC when he was reincarnated to another world with a task to defeat the demon king. She can't return to her position as a godess if the DK isn't defeated.
Only knows how to heal, turn undead and preform party tricks.

The Knight:
A noble who became a knight because of her masochistic tendencies.
Never learned anything other than taking a hit and the only way she's ever able to attack anything is by grappling it with her maxed out STR.

The wizard:
Only knows one spell that burns out all her magic power for the day.
Said spell is just a mini nuke.

The dickass thief MC:
Former Neet who got reincarnated after shitting him self to death thinking he got overrun.
Goes to fantasy world and becomes a Neet again after earning enough money.
Couldn't take class levels thanks to low stats so he had to learn skills / features of other classes at double Exp. cost.
Ends up as something like a bard/thief with less spells (only elemental cantrips he uses for pocket sand and Drain touch) and the sharpshooter fighting style.

>> No.49225596


And all this is just the beginning. The story is actually really good.

>> No.49225694

>Ends up as something like a bard/thief with less spells (only elemental cantrips he uses for pocket sand and Drain touch) and the sharpshooter fighting style.
He literally has arcane trickster's ranged pickpocket

>> No.49225732

>He literally has arcane trickster's ranged pickpocket
So it isn't normal for this universe's thief to be able to steal panties just like that?
I'm kind of relieved that it isn't so bullshitty.

>> No.49225841

The Steal ability takes a random item from someone. But for Kazuma it almost always seems to be panties.
Likely because his luck score is through the roof.

His stats are "Below the requirements for every class, slightly above average intelligence, and the highest luck I've ever seen" as said by the lady who accepted them as Adventurers.
But their universe thinks the Luck stat is useless.

>> No.49225891

The Steal ability is normal JRPG-style thievery: you concentrate on a target, light flashes around, and you steal a random item. Kazuma gets panties all the time because, in the metagame sense, his stupidly-high Luck stat keeps pushing his roll on the Random Item Table to really weird results; if a normal theif has a 0.01% chance to steal someone underpants, a thief with really really high luck will steal the "rare" item more often, maybe about 10% of the time. Kazuma's stuck at the 100% mark, bypassing more common/useful Steal results.

>> No.49225930


No, it isn't normal. Kazuma has one great stat which is significantly above average - Luck. This is apparently a dump stat for just about everybody else, but the factors of Steal which scale with Luck are totally out of wack with him. This is why he's able to do things like steal Gram and Verdia's head with an astronomical degree of success.

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>that group that manages to have fun anyway

>> No.49226064

>The fucker could have set himself up way better if he'd just picked merchant in the beginning,
Hard to say. The Destroyer would have probably destroyed the town if not for him.

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>Kazuma is a stubborn pessimist who shits on anything that isn't absolutely perfect (including himself) and can't see the forest for the trees. He sees his own talents in a distorted light, at once using his skills to act like he's hot shit while shackled to his past failures on Earth and harboring the idea that "objectively, I really sort of suck, don't I?" so he just stops caring.


>> No.49226131


Which would suck for them, but newbie merchants travel.

>> No.49226165

And the Destroyer keeps going to the next town, and the next town, and the next.

I mean it's pretty apparent that the world of Konosuba is, on some level, prepared to deal with the roving death machine, but there's a good chance that sooner or later Kazuma would end up in another city that the Destroyer is on course for. Probably more than once, because that's just how his "high luck" seems to work.

>> No.49226257


Don't worry. Natsume Akatsuki loves you. Go write about silly girls getting put in their place and make her proud.

>it's pretty apparent that the world of Konosuba is, on some level, prepared to deal with the roving death machine

The funny thing about the show is that if you focus on anything too hard or think about it seriously, the whole place is actually a horrifying death trap in the vein of Wizardry or Etrian Odyssey. But everyone is a cheerful retard with a magical reality warping character sheet and a whole lot of sublimated brain problems, so it works out somehow.

>> No.49226283

>Kazuma is a stubborn pessimist who shits on anything that isn't absolutely perfect (including himself) and can't see the forest for the trees. He sees his own talents in a distorted light, at once using his skills to act like he's hot shit while shackled to his past failures on Earth and harboring the idea that "objectively, I really sort of suck, don't I?" so he just stops caring.

I know that feel. I'm ridding myself ot it slowly though.

>> No.49226391

i.e. It steals whatever the person being robbed holds most valuable to themselves.

>> No.49226665


It seems to be a consensus between what they value and what he values. Hence, panties. All the fucking time.

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>Not reaching critical mass to the point where you no longer give a fuck about anything
Be the opportunistic hedonist Kauzma knows you can be.

>> No.49226732

It's always the most inconvenient thing of the target.

>> No.49226835


Aqua did say they were sending Kazuma there because the souls of that world were plane were refusing reincarnation.

Maybe they're all loopy because thats been going on a long time and literally everyone there is a retard from some other plane who was too thick to say "no thanks" to the super shady offer at another chance?

>> No.49227067

Wait, when did we find out that Akatsuki was a woman?

>> No.49227127

That's him actually overcoming that attitude, not embracing it.

>> No.49227205

Well if you list the monsters, you got a terrifying bunch.

1. Room mimics-The whole room is a mimic, with the mouth being the treasure chest in the middle. Eats other monsters for that matter. Commonly found in dungeons.
2. Rookie Killer-Giant cat beast that gathers smaller, easier to kill animals and preys on newbie adventurers.
3. Tranquility Girl-Plant monster that amps up people's protective instinct and have them take care of her. Eventually they die due to not eating and guilt, giving her nutrients.
4.Slime-Very big and very poisonous. Also sentient. Can easily kill someone just by smothering them to death.
5. One Hit Bear-Exactly what it says on the tin.

Those are some of the major monsters we've seen. A lot of them are nefarious or are just way too strong at the start.

>> No.49227366

That's exactly what you did in the early computer RPGs, because the game sure wasn't keeping a map for you.

>> No.49227465

Is the manga for this any good? Got thru the first season and I liked that.

>> No.49227751

I'd probably recommend reading the LN on the basis of it being the actual source material.

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We've known it for forever now. People were talking about it at least by the third episode. Go check out her blog or something.


No, Kazuma not giving a fuck because he thinks it's futile to overcome his own deficits and just giving in to his libido because why should he even care is totally embracing his bad attitude. Overcoming it would be accepting himself and the girls, blemishes and all, and realizing how good he's got it. He probably doesn't even need to give up on bullying Aqua, molesting Megumin, and giving Darkness exactly what she craves to do this. But that's some end game character development shit anyway. He just wouldn't be Kazuma unless he was a dick with a heart of, uh, tarnished gold who is incidentally fed up with this shit.

>> No.49228337

The best description of the show I've heard is "It's Always Sunny, but anime."

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>> No.49228449

That guy thread?

Ok, here's one of my stories
>1st time playing 3.PF, any kind of DnD desu
>GM "Anon, what do you want to be?"
>Me "A strong independent warrior who don't need no equipment and magic, a pugilist/martial artis"
>GM "Nice, be monk"
>Roll pretty good
>GM "You should put your best Stat to Dex, next to Wis, next to Con, you won't need much Str"
>Build a Dex monk with TWF, Imp TWF etc
>Realize during the game that I'm, even though GM said everytime my dude was godly endowed with a divine body (super high rolls), pretty subpar
>Same happens to the other players, he recommended the wizard to be a blast one, the cleric to be a healer only, etc
>Eventually makes us fight our counterparts
>Mine is a monk with high as fuck Str, power attack that literally toys with me for several turns and ends me in like 1 turn
>Same happens with the rest
>GM "lol, you suck so much at this, hahaha"
He used us like fucking ginea pigs to test his builds (enemies) and his stupid ideas (us)

>> No.49228597

It's really fun to look at the characters in the show, specifically Kazuma and Aqua, because both of them are absolutely terrible people.

Kazuma combines a stupid insistence that he should be a hero with a refusal to actually work towards that goal with any real effort. How many times could he have made shit better for himself if he'd have just picked an option better suited to his abilities, but insists on becoming something else? And once he picks that option, he does absolutely nothing to actually work towards it.

It's even better when you look at the fact that he clearly considers himself the down to earth one, and at first glance he seems to be. But hell, all the other characters, for all their dysfunctionality, actually work towards what they want, and attempt to improve themselves in their own way.

Aqua's even better, because she's such a great contrast. She's easily the most deserving of sympathy because she wanted none of this, she didn't want to be in the world, and she didn't want anything to do with Kazuma. Even more than that, there's nothing to suggest she was bad at her job, and plenty to suggest she was good at it, so she even lost generally important work to end up slumming around without any choice. From that standpoint, it's pretty fucked up what she's been forced into. But she manages to lose all of that sympathy by being such a terrible, terrible person.

Even from the start, she shows herself off as just being petty and spiteful. I don't know if it's ever discussed in the LNs, or even the end of the anime, but I'm absolutely positive she was just straight up lying about the results of Kazuma's death just to fuck with him.

Combine that with petty greed, a total lack of shame, and a willingness to do some pretty fucked up shit to satisfy herself, and you get someone you can enjoy suffering, even though all the terrible things that happen to her.

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>"Kazuma Yokes a Goddess"
>"Megumin is a Pyrophiliac"
>"Kazuma Learns to Steal Panties"
>"Darkness Becomes a Martyr"
>"Aqua is a Little Negligent"
>"The Gang Plays Soccer"
>"Kazuma Dies"
>"Megumin Needs to Pee"
>"Kazuma Buys a Prostitute"
>"The Gang Does Good Until The End"
>"Kazuma Confesses His Sins"

>> No.49228762

One of my favorite things is how you feel that Aqua deserves everything bad that happens to her because of how completely insufferable she is otherwise. it's great.

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On the other hand...
>he does absolutely nothing to actually work towards it.

That just ain't true. Every time he makes a serious resolution to do it well and good, he gets slapped down, and he gives up too easily. A lot of his drive to be an adventurer ends up being by necessity (due to money problems) for this reason and his energy is spent dealing with stupid shit. But all the stupid shit he deals with ends up getting solved is really sweet and clever ways.

>She's easily the most deserving of sympathy because she wanted none of this

Read the later novels. Hell, it's even foreshadowed. Aqua enjoys her present life far more than her life as a goddess.

She vomits melodrama and has this godzilla-sized ego that deflates over splinters, obviously, but she used to think things through more. Doing that just made her realize more often how much she disliked her pointless life (Heaven sucks and is a fucking drag) so she just stopped thinking too hard. She was an alchoholic even before getting kicked out of her cushy job. She desperately seeks approval from other people, hence learning party tricks rather than actually useful spells, but all of her "followers" are crazy idiots (it's absolutely no wonder that the follower of Eris early on thought she wasn't a goddess but just another out-of-her-mind priestess of Aqua), so Kazuma actually ends up receiving the brunt of this. She is this terribly flawed person who nonetheless comes through when she really needs to and just wants to be loved.

Aqua singing Donna Donna in a cage before being reminded "oh, right, I'm a goddess, I'm great, I'M GREAT!" is foreshadowing, yo.

KonoSuba does work at all levels to make you like the characters while absolutely justifying all of the shit they get buried in. The world is an absurdist nightmare, but it never actually feels too sad or hard.

>> No.49229191

>That just ain't true. Every time he makes a serious resolution to do it well and good, he gets slapped down, and he gives up too easily.

But the thing about it is that he never attempt to make resolutions that actually fit his abilities.

He never tries to honestly better himself for who he is, he is always chasing some idealized concept. If he ever stopped and honestly considered his abilities, he'd be far happier in life.

The whole merchant thing is a great, early example. He could have just taken the job and likely made a shitload based on his insane luck, and then done so much better. And even then, he insists on being an adventurer when he clearly has no talent for it, then does almost nothing to actually become good at it.

He's not untalented at all, he just insists on trying to do things he has no aptitude for, and then doesn't put any effort into getting better at those things.

>> No.49229192

>KonoSuba does work at all levels to make you like the characters while absolutely justifying all of the shit they get buried in
Also the fact that the jokes lead into each other almost flawlessly
In another show you might have the Frog Episode, and then the Darkness introduction episode with no real explanation for why Darkness chose their group.
In Konosuba? Megumin was bitching about being slimed in a way that was filled with innuendos in the middles of the street for everyone to hear. Which would be enough to bring Darkness running.

>> No.49229239

>he insists on being an adventurer when he clearly has no talent for it
Alright I'm gonna stop you right there. That's just bullshit. Kazuma has a lot of talent for being an adventurer, most of it coming from him being genre savvy, especially compared to the natives of this world. Fuck these people think Luck is a dump-stat, but have you seen the shit he's pulled off 100% out of that Luck stat?

>> No.49229451

I don't mean in general, I mean the adventurer job specifically.

His talents and abilities would be far better served in a different job, and the shit that carries him through would be unaffected, because it has nothing to do with his abilities.

>> No.49229522

>His talents and abilities would be far better served in a different job
Served himself, maybe. But he's done some serious good for the world as an adventurer.

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>The whole merchant thing is a great, early example.

But would he have been any happier? Indeed, would he have been more miserable?

It's the same thing with going home. Even presented with an opportunity to reincarnate into luxury, when the alternative of heading back to the party is given to him, he heads back to the party. He immediately regrets it... but does he, really?

You see this reflected in the heroines as well. All of them reject what they're "supposed" to do even in the cases where they're squandering their potential. Why? For the sake of their own happiness. The characters of KonoSuba are who they are and can't be otherwise, condemning them all to be misfits. Even though they know they're doing it wrong and recognize they're fuck-ups for it, they stick to their guns and face the consequence of being alone. Until they find each other.

Which, again, is really where Kazuma screws up: not accepting the girls for who they are and realizing he's actually got a pretty badass party, despite the quirks.

>> No.49229805

>Also the fact that the jokes lead into each other almost flawlessly

It's just a really well told story in a lot of ways. People were surprised it was as good as it ended up being because DEEN has a reputation for being awful.

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>> No.49230327

It's useless except for a very specific build that only an adventurer can access because of their ability to take skills from other classes, and even with that build Kazuma is still more successful as a merchant than as a fighter.

>> No.49230384

>still more successful

He makes more money. He never wins any glory or respect from his peers (besides what can be bought with money). He is probably less happy. And all of the other main characters are in the same boat as him anyway.

>> No.49231377

Most of his fortune is made through mercantile activity, while he isn't bad as an adventurer he hasn't really reaped much benefits from it. Hell his most successful scheme so far has been the aqua festival, and that had very little to do with his adventurer skills.

>> No.49231776

His point was that he would make more money as a merchant, you are correct, but he wouldn't win any glory, or respect, and he'd be less happy.

>> No.49231837

As far as JRPG backstories go, Bravely Default is probably the most interesting without being completely absurd.

tfw you notice Airys wings

>> No.49231888

It's still extremely well written.

And to be fair, it has yet to become a true harem. Aqua is not interested in Kazuma romantically. It's not really clear if Darkness really is or if she's just thirsty as fuck in general.

>> No.49232057

It's less a harem and more of a love triangle between darkness, megumin and Kazuma, and even then the latest book kind of tilts the scale heavily towards megumin.

>> No.49232221


Hey, with good int and the right information, you can get by being a total twig - Kazuma is actually a rather typical rogue archtype from that perspective. He might not look that impressive on the surface, but that's half the point behind him; much like the ninjas of yore, you don't expect that average looking guy to be pulling off world-breaking stunts because by all means he's...well, he's average. Detach him from the party, and he would blend in right well with the rest of the crowd.

So, he's actually doing pretty good for his class.

>> No.49232292

>So, he's actually doing pretty good for his class.
Honestly? His class comes across as a Magikarp to me.
The weakest class, but it's capable of learning abilities from ANY other class if someone teaches it to him.

>> No.49232544

>Aqua is not interested in Kazuma romantically
Their relationship is still weird and blurry because Kazuma at once basically owns her, is bizarrely her emotional support a lot of the time, and she occasionally expresses a willingness to trade lewd favors with him to get what she wants (which, granted, is an outgrowth of the gags playing off how little dignity she actually has, but still).

Megumin is definitely the most conventional romance and Darkness is probably a cuckquean anyway. But really, KonoSuba doesn't approach the harem element like the conventional "who will win the kazumabowl/choose your favorite girl" method whatsoever, possibly because of who the author is. The party is just... very close. And it works.

That is precisely right.

>> No.49232596

That's Smeargle. Magikarp learns fuck all until it evolves into Gyarados.

>> No.49232652

Except most of what pulls him through is a *combination* of useful (if basic) abilities plus his cleverness and Luck. The merchant class might've made it a lot easier for him to carve out a comfortable lifestyle in the world, but I highly doubt it would afford the breadth of skill access that the adventurer class does. And it's the variety of useful (if basic) skills that really lets him pull through.

That's pretty much the whole point of the adventurer class; it's the generic, "jack-of-all-trades" class, capable of going any which direction. That sort of broad toolkit is exactly what you want if you don't have the stats to be very good at any given specific thing, but do have plenty of genre savviness to come up with clever tactics.

>> No.49232691

That group has the most fun I've ever seen any group have, and they all get along excellently.
What does this say about you and how much you dislike them?

>> No.49232748

It's Overlord the one that's about MMORPG cliches.

>> No.49232760

"Magikarp" is a term for a Class, Character, etc. in games who starts off hideously weak, but if you bother to put in the effort it becomes stupidly powerful.
Named after, Magikarp, which is completely fucking useless, but if you grind it into a Gyarados it is one of the stronger non-legendary Mons.

>> No.49232947


Smeargle really does describe how he works though; even when he's finally decked out on endgame abilities, he's still a borderline commoner in stats, like a Smeargle. If he were a magikarp, by the end of all this, he'd be /fit/ and capable of handling a straight up fight, which I can't picture happening.

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Even with regards to Overlord, the in-universe MMORPG the New World cribs from is blatantly based on D&D, especially with regards to its class and spell system. The class system is just 3.5 except you get 100 levels instead of 20 to take whatever class levels you want; the spell system just straight up cribs D&D spells and conventions. Oh, and the races, too - blatant fuckin' mind flayers 'n' shit, it's there.

>> No.49233042

Yeah, Overlord is certainly pretty light on the MMO stuff overall. It has some of it here and there (the OP cash shop items being the big ones), but for the most part as far as the overall framework goes it could just as easily be from a TTRPG as from an MMO.

Grimgar and Log Horizon (especially Log Horizon) are better examples for isekai anime that run primarily on MMO tropes.

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On the other hand, you didn't see fucking Gyarados in VGC 2016 putting the fucking fear of god into teams decked out with ubers. It was Smeargle whipping out Dark Void.

>> No.49233111

It's an idiom(A saying, a turn of phrase, etc) anon, it isn't 100% accurate in every situation.

>> No.49233138

It's a shitty idiom.

>> No.49233141


Don't mind us, we're just arguing pentadics.

>> No.49233144

>you get 100 levels instead of 20 to take whatever class levels you want
You can get up to 15 Levels for each "basic" class
10 levels for the equivalent of Prestige classes, classes with requirements.
And 5 levels for "rare" classes, classes that are very powerful but have incredibly stringent requirements, some even requiring you to be level 95 before you can take them.

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Okay. "You get 100 level to take whatever class levels you want within the strictures of the system, which is clearly based on D&D 3e/3.5's, the actual assertion of the post." Thank you for contributing even more evidence to said assertion.

>> No.49233373

Nah, the relationship between Aqua and Kazuma is that they're birds of a feather, practically siblings. They pretty much think the same way when it comes down to it.

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I see where you're coming from. Even their backstories set them up as foils - Heaven, tediously meaningless as it actually is, is her equivalent to Kazuma pining for his hikki days and stuff. But I wouldn't go quite so far as to say they think the same way. The Int stat deficit is a pretty big divergence. They also both have their pride, but it's totally inverse how they show it. Aqua puts on a big showy front, then crumples with a nudge and the waterworks start, while Kazuma pretends he ain't got shit, but when he's pressed, he digs his heels in so hard it's unhealthy and he ends up making dickass decisions.

And hell, even given this, it doesn't really discount the stuff I said above. And when has being siblings stopped Japan before?

But actually, thinking on it another way, I am kinda reaching. It's really not lovey-dovey romance at all. It's hard to imagine them ever getting married like you can with Megumin or Lalatina. "Nakama who likes you as a guy enough to sleep beside you, wants you to see her as a heroine, will probably give you a handjob for some dough, but don't let your guard down now because she's definitely going to go back to calling you a hikkiNEET the next relevant opportunity?"

They're as hilarious together as their relationship is fucked, though.

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I always thought Kazuma knew her too well to like her that way, and Aqua doesn't really like him either, but they've spent so much time with each other they're used to it, and deep down they both know they can rely on each other in the end, and know that they won't survive without the other; Kazuma needing Aqua's resurrection and healing, and Aqua needing Kazuma's general intelligence.

>> No.49234015

They think the same way. When Kazuma thinks about doing something bad, Aqua is the one who actually does something bad. When the two of them go out to eat, they're both horrible and stingy as fuck. When one is bound and unable to fight back, they confess their sins.

The two of them are just incredibly similar. At their core, they aren't bad people, however they have core flaws that really turn people off.

>> No.49234135

>Akatsuki is also friends with Tappei Nagatsuki, Re:Zero's author
What a coincidence, both series are shit. Though for vastly different reasons.

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>> No.49234397


Yeah, that all sounds right. They definitely like each other, though - they take up for each other when they're really down and Aqua has a serious fixation on his attention/admiration (maybe because he so rarely gives it up). It's just that Aqua acts like she's on a pedestal and then karma immediately kicks it out from under her while Kazuma just gets fed up with her shit... but he's willing to deal with it over and over again.


They're definitely foils, I said that much. They're meant to be compared, but there's also a sense of contrast to them as well. For example:
>When Kazuma thinks about doing something bad, Aqua is the one who actually does something bad.
Clear divide between thought and action, here.

>> No.49234769

So it is pretty much "It's Always Sunny, but Anime"

>> No.49234795

If you've seen the OVA, it makes it obvious Kazuma has no romantic interest in Aqua at all, he sexually harasses the entire cast one at a time in that, several times over. Always gets to Aqua last and she has this whole overwrought "Oh now he will give me some sexually degrading orders what ever shall I do?". And every time Kazuma tells her to get him a sandwich or some booze while he molests all the other girls.

They are completely platonic life partners united by scumbaggery

>> No.49234862


Sane people don't reincarnate there, leading to an overpopulation of crazies.

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>not accepting the girls for who they are
I fully undersand Kazuma's suffering though.

Damegami a shit, 0/10 only good for party tricks I love her because she's so horrible though

Megumin a cute, but she's clearly crazy. And that's without mentioning she's a total chuuni. Overall she's probably best girl, considering her habbit of blowing shit up once a day can probably be lived with.

Darkness is the worst. She's a qt, tall and has a delicious body but her masochism is scary. It's not even "I like to have my buttcheeks spanked in bed, daddy" which is already kind of creepy, it's full-on "I want to be ravaged by monsters, be dragged to their cave, be endlessly raped while still trying to cling to my dignity, have all my teeth punched out in preparation for a bloody blowjob and then be left in a field to bleed to death". Seriously, how do you cope with that? You literally cannot unless you're a legit sadist.

>> No.49237766

Is anything actually capable of hurting Darkness?

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No, and that's why Darkness a shit. You know the stereotype of the couple that has been married for 40 years, have only had missionary sex and their idea of "doing something new" is letting the woman be on top, and after a while their sex life gets so boring and predictable the man now has to piss all over his wife to get a stiffy?

Imagine that with Darkness. At first it starts tame with attaching a car battery to her nipples, but after a while she gets so used to your torture that you will have to summon the Great Old One just to make her even the slightest bit wet.

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>after shitting him self to death
Gets me every time.

>> No.49237884

I just want to say that after a huge resurgence of Isekai over the last few years thanks to SAO, and getting mountains of garbage stories (I'm looking at you Re: Monster), it's really nice to get some actually good ones that are starting to deconstruct the genre and reconstruct it in interesting ways.

Overlord for the most part plays the genre straight except for the fact that the main character is a BIG SKELETON MAN who is not bothering with any harems or wish fulfillment you usually see.

Konosuba is a great feeling story about an amazing world that this group of misfits fuck around in, and pratfalls everything the genre normally plays straight

Re:Zero is a great deconstruction of a lot of elements of the genre, like the fact that it would fucking suck to die and respawn

Shield Hero (Tate no Yuusha) plays a lot of the expectations straight but throws a huge wrench in with the reincarnated hero being almost immediately hated and reviled to the point that he has to just roll with it

Shit man, I didn't think I'd ever see this genre get good, now if only the "Japanese MC highschoolish guy wants to live a normal life but his family/sister/female friend/sister ______ " genre could stop being trash

>> No.49237895

>now if only the "Japanese MC highschoolish guy wants to live a normal life but his family/sister/female friend/sister ______ " genre could stop being trash
Try this.
The title says it all.

>> No.49238003

I've seen that, but it's only one chapter so RIP

>> No.49238064
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Don't forget the real reason of Megu's explosion thing:
She's a mana burn junkie. She doesn't masturbate, she casts explosion and lets all her mana flow out to get her jollies.
However, her stats are so high she CAN cast explosion at all without MP Cost Down abilities, to the point it's been stated that one point in that skill would let her cast it at least twice a day, but she doesn't like that.
However, she cares so much for Kazuma and crew that she lets Kazuma allot her skill points at one point after an argument of her usefulness.
Kazuma realizes how much she's torn up over it, and pumps up explosion even more.

>> No.49238075

That's why with Darkness, who is actually very virginal, the key is to deny her. Lack of experience means that there's nothing for her to get used to, since things will always be the best in her mind.

>> No.49238183


So, who has the higher INT of the two?

>> No.49238225

Megu's a prodigy through and through, it's just that she's way too hooked on her vices to do anything worthwhile.
Kazuma just has above average INT, but Megu's would be through the roof to be able to cast explosion like she does.
Honestly I'm a little worried what a fully maxed out Explosion would be like.

>> No.49238270


Given how his class works and his aptitude, shouldn't he be capable of learning explosion too? Or would it take too long to teach his lazy neet brain before he gave up from too much challenge?

>> No.49238290

>>That GM who watched Game of Thrones and now thinks he can subvert every trope and make a grand adventure but still has level 1 characters meet the king in his throne room for a bog standard quest

>> No.49238302

That's right out of Rolemaster, you know, even to the 100 levels.

>> No.49238305

Kazuma is fully capable of learning explosion. Casting it without burning through his mana bar and sucking down his HP however is another story entirely.

>> No.49238333


Shield hero plays everything extremely straight and is honestly pretty much the epitome of isekai trash. The MC being irrationally reviled is basic cooking cutting shit isekai does, because feeding on the reader's victim complex seem to be a huge deal (presumably because everyone in the target audience, that being teenagers, have a huge victim complex).

>> No.49238373

Well first of he probably would never have enough mana to cast it, like anon said Megu has insanely high int.
Secondly, Explosion costs a whole fucking lot of skillpoints, 50 exactly. In comparison, any Advanced Magic costs like 30 if I remember right. Magumin got most of her skill points from items that grant free skill points, the amount of grinding Kazuma would have to do to learn Explosion normally would be absurd and he'd have to get mana passives too.

Explosion magic is literally considered a joke among wizards, something totally useless.

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>The MC being irrationally reviled is basic cooking cutting shit isekai does
Even Sword Art Online pulls this shit for the most retarded reasons. Some minor spoilers for the first 2 or 3 episodes.

>Two months into the death game and the first level hasn't been passed yet
>Only now do people start to band together to make their way through the first dungeon (no wonder 2000 people died already, they're morons)
>Random hatred of beta-testers even though they wrote a fucking "how not to die like a scrub" guide
>Some scrub sets up a plan, goes against his own plan of attack out of greed and gets killed
>Kirito is held responsible because he had the last strike or whatever
>"You're a cheater and a beta-tester, you're a beater!"
Given how retarded everyone is, I don't even blame Ayakaba for what he was doing. He probably never wanted to reveal his motives because it was a eugenics project all along.

>> No.49238562

When I say Kazuma thinks of doing something bad, I mean like putting holy water on door knobs to get back at devils. Aqua does that.

>> No.49239294

In most isn't it pretty "informed" hatred though? At least in SAO there's those first few episodes where it's brought up, but all it does is give him a reason to go all "lone wolf". It basically never comes up again (except I think in like one episode where he fights "bad guys" where they use it as an insult), and his barely even a negative.

I won't say shield hero is revolutionary or anything, but it definitely seems like society as a whole hates him pretty consistently, and we're never wasted an opportunity to have it pointed out. He's slowly appealing to some of the other hero's, and a lot of the story arcs are heavily influenced by people hating him (combined with corruption here and there). I'd say unlike "traditional" isekai, it focuses more on the power-fantasy of him being the underdog, and walking the cusp of villainy.

>> No.49239831

>putting holy water on door knobs to get back at devils
>You're a devil going about you bussiness on a nice sunny day
>You suddenly feel your hand burning as you touch a doorknob
>It burns more and more until your hand starts to disintigrate
>You don't understand what's happening as pain wracks your body
>When you're a wimpering on the ground with a stump for a hand a dude bursts out of a nearby hiding spot

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This is how you know someone has not read Shieldbro. This is like the textbook analysis of people who read like three chapters of the manga or just picked up their opinion from some spiel on /a/ and it's just utterly fucking wrong.

Naofumi's victim complex is consistently portrayed as a problem. It plays on the "those damn raijuus!" mentality common to otaku specifically because it wants to show how misguided and blind it is, even granted relatively legitimate gripes. It causes Naofumi to feel he is justified when he unnecessarily acts to the expectations of those who believe the propaganda demonizing him. It causes him to ignore the fact that more than half the public frankly likes him because he consistently demonstrates his care for the citizens. It causes him to put up a tough front and act like an edgelord (even to the point of declaring himself a villain) even though he's really kind of fragile and sweet. It keeps him from reconciling with the other heroes, none of whom are actually as terrible as Naofumi himself would like the reader to believe and all of whom suffer for their flaws; by the end, Naofumi doesn't even want to go "told you so" to them because his chain was being yanked the whole damn time too. In fact, literally every single character with one obvious exception is treated with a great deal of sympathy to the point where Motoyasu of all fucking people is the one who got a spin-off series.

It's justified not because Naofumi is retarded but because the betrayal hit him that hard. People often forget that he's a cheerful, humble optimist at the start. He's never in his entire life experienced getting backstabbed and ostracized like he has in Melromarc.

People bitch about other stupid things with regards to the story too, like Naofumi's harem (which is less of a fucking harem than Kazuma's until way beyond where any of these fucks read) or Raphtalia being a slave (the context of which is entirely different from most isekai fantasy).

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all of these novel spoilers
>also read a blurb about darkness describing her ideal man and it's just kazuma at his absolute lowest in his most heinous moods ignoring all of his positive qualities

kazuma's harem is beyond salvation

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all of these novel spoilers
>also read a blurb about darkness describing her ideal man and it's just kazuma at his absolute lowest in his worst moods ignoring all of his positive qualities

kazuma's harem is beyond salvation

>> No.49240208

Lost it

>> No.49240252

She can't hit stationary objects.

>> No.49240266

The idea is shes supposed to be a great in powerful goddess who is inhumanely powerful and has massive stats in all but two things.

But in practice shes worse then useless. Like a bitchy mary sue.

>> No.49240508


She likely took a major hit to her base stat total when she got demoted from goddess. I wouldn't be surprised if her current stats weren't much better than Kazuma's.

>> No.49240543

Bro its explicitly stated her stats are insane, besides int which is like 7 and luck which is about -50.

Shes actually so strong her scores can't rise when she levels up, meaning she will always be a idiot.

>> No.49240581

Forever a Baqua

>> No.49240746


>Int 7

Sounds like she's good at anything but her actual role as a healer.

>> No.49240757

She doesn't care about hitting things, she just wants to get hit.

She's minmaxed for a really stupid job, but she's very well minmaxed for that job.

>> No.49240802

Kazuma's justification in the novel for avoiding sexually harassing her (ironically to her chagin) is he's afraid if Aqua thinks she can rely on her looks to get what she wants then her behavior will get even worse. He's even afraid she'll end up doing something she'll regret. Her propositions also aren't trustworthy because she constantly cries wolf and rarely puts her money where her mouth is.

>But in practice shes worse then useless.
That's Kazuma's never-ending pessimism rubbing off on you. Aqua does plenty of useful things (deluge, purification, resurrection) and often contributes when she really needs to be counted on. She just has the psychological development of a fucking child and has to be treated as such.

Her stats are way higher across the board except for Luck and Int. Unfortunately, she's already reached her stat cap in Int. It used to be higher.

>> No.49240942


The end result is the same; her being demoted was effectively a lobotomy.

>> No.49241099


Sorry, but that's a load of bull. The story goes out of its way to force every random nobody to hate, despise or underestimate Naofumi. The plot literally force people to act like idiots to force this theme over and over in order to set some strawmans up for Naofumi to punch down with his "oh so underestimated and weak ability that he somehow makes work of because he's actually super talented people just aren't noticing."

It's hamfisted, it's ugly, it's dumb and it sure as hell isn't a good story.

>> No.49241132

>The story goes out of its way to force every random nobody to hate, despise or underestimate Naofumi
Except for that entire town he saves over and over again and whose people keep showing gratitude to him.

>> No.49241173

She let her Int degrade long before she even knew Kazuma existed. Living in Heaven made her that way. The place is just that vapid and frivolous. If anything, Kazuma dragging her down to the Fantasy World saved her.

>> No.49241328

Well, I don't know that it's quite a function of her scores per se, so much as some combination of her scores, her class, and possibly the fact she's a goddess. Kazuma's Luck starts out way higher than any of Aqua's stats, and is shown in the anime to rise with level, and IIRC same goes for Megumin's Magic Power.

Looking at the screens I have saved from when I was trying to figure out the script they use, their stats at level 6 were:

>Aqua (same at all levels)
Strength 72
Health 81
Magic-Pow 98
Dexterity 3
Agility 48
Luck 1

Strength 17
Health 26
Magic-Pow 231
Dexterity 32
Agility 21
Luck 18

Strength 25
Health 24
Magic-Pow 21
Dexterity 25
Agility 27
Luck 801

There is no Intelligence stat that appears on the charsheets shown in the anime, though there is an ellipsis at the bottom of the stat box that suggests there may be more stats that you need to scroll down to see. Though given Aqua's low Dexterity, it would seem that stat is associated with intelligence (though it doesn't appear to be identical to it since Kazuma's Dexterity is right around the same as all his other stats at all levels.

(I think at least Kazuma's sheet was shown again later in the anime at higher levels, but I don't have screenshots of it like I do for the lower levels, so I can't look at what his stats ended up being by the end of season 1.)

>> No.49241359


Kazuma's stat distributions don't look half bad - I mean, he's pretty clumsy for a rogue, but otherwise he seems to be pretty well balanced against Megumin in regards to their roles.

>> No.49241393

On the other hand, it's probably fair to assume Megumin's stats aside from Magic-Pow are a bit lower than typical for an archmage of her level, since she's focused entirely on Explosion. She's probably hardly raised any stats besides Magic-Pow since level 1.

>> No.49241397

Aqua's strength stat means she's ripped though, right? About 3 times as strong.

>> No.49241432

Probably more supernaturally enhanced strength than beefy muscular, but yeah, she's pretty strong.

You can go ahead and believe she's totally ripped under her clothes if you want, though. Nobody's judging you here.

>> No.49241468

Aqua is actually the most important member in Kazuma's group. Without her, most battles would be lost or impossible. It's just that she's pretty much a missile when most of the times you need a hammer.

Him and Aqua do really love each other, in that platonic sense, considering how they're most comfortable being with each other, considering how Kazuma after being traumatized sticks to Aqua and Aqua tends to hide behind Kazuma.

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Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you're as vague as you are really displays how ignorant you are.

>fucking Elhart
>the fujoshi tailor
>essentially every relevant merchant
>the inhabitants of the villages he saves
>the moderate noble who supports demihuman rights
>the fucking queen of Melromarc
>most demihumans (though there's those who rightfully say relying completely on the Shield Hero is retarded)
>all of the heroes eventually become bros

It's almost as though you haven't fucking read the story, you pretentious cunt. You clearly don't know what's actually going on.

Just about every character who condemns the Shield Hero has a reason for doing so, it's just not immediately stated. Whenever Naofumi questions "what did I ever do to deserve this shit?" the reader is supposed to question that as well. If you're not even bothering to work out what's going on (even though it's constantly foreshadowed) and chalk it all up to stupid nonsense that doesn't bear investigation, then you are being Naofumi.

To sum it up clumsily, before the start of the series and the current waves of calamity, Melromarc (which carries the tradition of summoning the Four Heroes and formed a religion around this practice) and Silt Welt (a demihuman nation) had a devastating war. This led to widespread prejudice against demihumans within Melromarc. The Shield Saint is traditionally associated with demihumans, which lead to a schism within the Faith of the Four Saints. The Church of Three Heroes is an extremist sect that doesn't even represent a majority population within Melromarc, but it gained power due to Malty's influence. Why? She has ulterior motives, of course.

Melromarc citizens in general take heed of the awful rumors being spread, but most of them still believe in the Faith of the Four Saints and easily discard any notion the Shield Hero could be bad the moment he saves them.

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There's way more to this situation than I was able to tack down before running out of post, but Shieldbro got popular at all because it is, in fact, dutifully explained and foreshadowed and justified at every turn and does a way stronger job of maintaining its quality and consistency over the long haul than, say, Mushoku Tensei, the real pinnacle of isekai cliche which eventually tells the wives to stay in the fucking kitchen (but then, maybe the actual light novel will be better about this).

I digress. Shieldbro is relatively popular but it's not -that- popular in English, which makes me wonder why this meme that the series was just retarded victim complex fetishization even came to be. The only reason I can figure is that the idea of a woman lying about being raped to demolish someone's reputation when the reasons for her doing so are not immediately explained makes some faggots uncomfortable, so they write off the whole series. But that's pure speculation.

>> No.49241967

Not that guy, but I stopped reading around the time when the chicken/chocobo thing I think turned into a loli. At that point, it just set off harem alarm bells in my head and I decided to get out before I became disappointed.

>> No.49241989

Damn, Kazuma's stats are SHIT. And I didn't expect Aqua to be that strong. Give the retarded goddess a sword and watch her go to town.

Where's the intelligence though? Didn't the clerk lady state Kazuma's is above average while Aqua's is below average? Magic-Pow can't be intelligence because Aqua's is higher than Kazuma's.

>> No.49242040

>Aqua is actually the most important member in Kazuma's group.
Really, Kazuma's entire party is simultaneously both completely fucking awesome and utterly fucking worthless. The way the gang is set up has so many layers of irony to it that it's actually hard to process. You might even say their super special isekai snowflake trait is how preposterously ironic they are.

>> No.49242098


>Why is a shield considered a bad weapon?
>Why is the shield guy considered weak when he literally cannot be hurt by ordinary monsters?
>Why did nobody else ever think off bringing the whole fucking knightly guard with them during heroic transportation when they literally know it will happen because they can't avoid having their party beamed away?
>Why does everyone believe the princess when her lies are flimsy and shit AND A PERSON WHO LITERALLY OUTRANKS HER CALLS OUT HER LIES, REFUTE THEM AND ORDER EVERYONE TO BACK THE FUCK OFF
>Why does power-ups fall into the lap of the MC without any effort on his part?
>Why is the MC constantly lucky, finding precious items, magical birds and super synergistic companion bonds by basically picking them at random?
>Why does everyone keep sabotaging a person who has literally been summoned to save their world from annihilation?
>Why did nobody notice he got hit by magic in a duel where everyone was looking at the fight and could clearly see that there was no way spearguy could do shit?
>Why does everyone assume he got mind control? Aren't shields supposed to be shit?
>If he has mind control, how come he can't just tell people to stop hating him?
>If shields are useless, how could he rape a warrior princes in the first place? He's weaker than a slime.
>What kind of religion summons four heroes, then makes three of them important according to their religious creed?
>If heroes are so important, why the fuck do they get a bag of gold to buy a single piece of midtier armor for?

etc etc

>> No.49242159


It must sting a bit though that Kazuma has two HP less than Megumin in spite of being a thief-type class. Guess the neet life didn't do his vitality any favors. I mean yeah, 2 HP isn't that big of a difference when most things can probably one shot them both given their encounters, but it's still something that would wound one's pride.

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Naofumi's relationships with his female allies are generally not romantic for various strong reasons. Aforementioned loli is treated as his daughteru.

Raphtalia inevitably ends up main girl pretty much period, to basically no one's surprise or consternation. Naofumi also rejects the harem conclusion for the sake of JUSTICE in the canon ending.


Not all the stats are shown.

>> No.49242237

Why are intelligence and magic power two separate stats by the way?

>> No.49242276


Do you see architects and engineers casting spells? If INT was tied to spellcasting, poor Aqua would be little more than some weird-haired lady with freakish hulk strength.

>> No.49242307

She's a tank, not DPS. Dealing damage is not her role.

>> No.49242450

Many JRPGS equate magic ability to something akin to force of will rather than raw intelligence; it may be will power, their self-discipline, or even their soul's size or innate link to MAHJIK-O POWAH. I have no idea if this is a cultural thing or if it's just a standard excuse to have ditzy airheaded mage waifus.

>> No.49242569

So, /tg/, can you recommend me some recent fantasy or sci-fi mangas, please?
(if possible with a line or two about what makes them interesting in your eyes, because I never have the time to check everything when someone goes "behold, a hundred entries list!")

>> No.49242673
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>that murderhobo party who kills NPC who did nothing wrong
His name was Verdia and he was good guy

>> No.49242752

dude had a cool battle which semi-justified how could a Dullahan fight without having one hand constantly occupied with it's own head

>> No.49242764


Is this copypasta? Literally all of this is explained in the story or is just bullshit. For example:

>Why is a shield considered a bad weapon?

It wasn't. The Church of Three Heroes will shit on it regardless, but the other three heroes have their prejudices based on the worlds they were summoned from. Everyone who knows the setting's history or has been involved with more than one generation of heroes knows the Shield is vital. Everyone in-setting with a vested interest in shitting on the shield will shit on the shield.

>Why does everyone believe the princess

Malty is manipulating her father, the king, who is seething with righteous indignation from what he and his country lost in the wars with Silt Welt. No one can speak against the princess because she's favored by the king. There are other people in power who have a vested interest in hating the Shield Hero and the neutrals and those who would support him can't speak up for fear of being targeted by extremists. The king wasn't even always like this and even acknowledges his folly by the end of the story.

>Why does power-ups fall into the lap of the MC without any effort on his part?

They don't? Most of them are just evolutions of the shield and the Shield of Wrath, for instance, is an entire fucking major aspect of the plot unto itself.

>MC constantly lucky
Except when he's not and gets fucked over like he does, y'know, constantly, amirite?
>finding precious items
Except when it takes substantial effort to even make the kind of magical clothing he wants for Firo, amirite?
>magical birds
Any filorial raised by heroes with holy weapons will become a king or queen.


>> No.49242766

Well, he did like to peek up Wiz's skirt. By "dropping" his head, no less.

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why won't Dullahans just put head on their shoulders?

>> No.49242802

>Why does everyone keep sabotaging

It's not everyone. These are specific fucking people and every single one of them has a reason for doing what they do.

Have you ever considered that Malty wants Melromarc to fall? "But she's the princess, that makes no sense!" No, fuck you. You don't know the first thing about her.

>Why did nobody notice he got hit by magic in a duel

They fucking did, holy shit. Ren and Itsuki even call the king out on it and he begrudgingly restores some of Naofumi's funds because what happened wasn't right. The nobles who even care aren't going to speak up right then because why would they potentially jeopardize their social positions when the king is not in his right mind on the matter? FUCK, it even gets brought up that nobles were spreading rumors that Naofumi got fucked over unfairly later on.

>Why does everyone assume he got mind control?

Because Malty is lying to justify to the other heroes why a) Naofumi's party is loyal to him despite him allegedly being a horrible evil rapist and b) why Naofumi's reputation is actually pretty fucking good and he's well-liked by the populace despite the demographic who buys the propaganda.

>If he has mind control, how come he can't just tell people to stop hating him?

Are you trolling me? Ren says this practically word for word.

Motoyasu's reasoning is apparently that other heroes are probably immune to it.

>then makes three of them important according to their religious creed

I explained this in the spoiler in one of the posts you linked to. It's an extremist faction fueled by a desire for vengeance over war losses, condoned by a king who feels the same way, and all of it sustained and propagated by Malty for her own reasons.


>> No.49242830

>If heroes are so important,

The throne has limited resources. There's no point in protecting a society that goes bankrupt and ceases to function. The heroes are supposed to be the ones able to pull off a miracle, which is why they're sanctified in the first place. There are actually alternatives to the hero system, but why sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives when you can potentially get away with four?

I have a question for you, though. Are you retarded?

It's true what they say. The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.

>> No.49242847

because it would fall away?
Remember, no neck

>> No.49242858

nothing that can't be fixes with a bit of rope

>> No.49242869

among the characters who did nothing wrong he is the purest

>> No.49242883

True. And i suppose in the end, I can't really blame him.

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>Why are Intelligence and Magic separates stats in Demon's Souls
>Why are Intelligence and Attunement separate stats in the Dark Souls series

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Which could be cut off during a fight.
We all know the only viable way is to give the head to the reverse trap squire and have her move for superior positioning and tactical vision during fights
That or top tier juggling if you're a squire-less dullahan knight

>> No.49243231

>Why does everyone believe the princess when her lies are flimsy and shit AND A PERSON WHO LITERALLY OUTRANKS HER CALLS OUT HER LIES, REFUTE THEM AND ORDER EVERYONE TO BACK THE FUCK OFF

IRL people believe that Zoe had sex for reviews that don't exist and that her clearly at least as damage and just as vindicative boyfriend is a reliable source of information.

Oh, and that Iraq and Afghanistan did 9/11 even though Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are funding most international wahabitist terrorism and the folks on the 9/11 flight were primarily Saudis, Pakis and Egyptians.

Folks gonna pick whatever fits their own story over what's true every single time.

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>Fullmetal Alchemist
Manga, 2 anime series (first one has original content since the manga wasn't finished, second one follows the manga but skips majority of the start since they already made that in the first series; both have movies)
Sci-fantasy with a lots of clapping and action, primarily set in WW1/2-era fantasy not-germany

Anything that Tsutomu Nihei makes if you like biotech, superstructures and hate reading

>Franken Fran
What if Frankenstein was a cute girl doctor/surgeon/biochemist/geneticist who likes using her skills for "good", from her perspective anyway

Manga, anime and live-action movie
Parasite/symbiote organisms come from space, gruesome shenanigans ensues. It's kinda a japanese The Thing

Shady fella that will raise* anyone you ask, for a price. *Results may vary

>A Fairytale for the Demon Lord
Ya know what, i don't even know how to describe this. Sci-fantasy norse mythos?

Cursed dude with a reptile's head is forcibly asking magicians what the person inside his mouth says. Story and weirdness ensues

LN, manga and anime
Portal to fantasyland opens up in tokyo. Adventures, politics, elves and modern military hardware in medieval-era fantasyland ensues

>Spice & Wolf
>Maoyuu Maou Yuusha
See pic

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I want to kiss macroeconomics

>> No.49243376

>Maoyuu Maou Yuusha
Ragedropped the manga when it turns out primitive firearms (with inconsistent reach) are the end-all weapon and capable of stopping Hero with the Dark Lord armor

>> No.49243407

>Ragedropped the manga
Which one? There's like 4

>> No.49243428

the cool looking one

>> No.49243435


On the note of that again, Mirelia really does just outright shut Malty down. Most people don't believe Malty after the fact. Only the faction she's propagated for the specific purpose of fucking sabotaging the kingdom continues to support her. All of Malty's seemingly unavoidable sway beforehand is in the illusion that the practices she's exploiting are ubiquitous and not a societal cancer that has been allowed to act with impunity.

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>Recommending Gate

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I guess if that's what you're into, anon.

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I see

I liked it

>> No.49243477

Agility is dexterity you numbskull.

What you labelled as Dex is actually Int.

>> No.49243483
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>JIDF propaganda and self-insert masturbation

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Only good for Apocalypse now, dropped this shitshow after Japanies special forces effortlessly defeated Russian, USA and ?Chinies? send to capture guests, though that girl fighting with men at arms in melee and winning made me angry too

>> No.49243535

Thanks a lot, kind anon.

>> No.49243542

>Portal to fantasyland opens up in tokyo. Adventures, politics, elves and modern military hardware in medieval-era fantasyland ensues
Also Glorious Nippon self-defense force wankery.

>> No.49243560

If this was written by an american, you wouldn't care about the patriotic wankery and freedoms

>> No.49243571

The whole story is pretty much a huge exercise in fawning over technological/societal developments of the Enlightenment. It's pretty much a low-key version of that guy who insists on single-handedly starting the industrial revolution in every D&D campaign. With the way it fellates PROGRESS and SCIENCE, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that guns are OP.

>> No.49243578

Yeah because it's not like the American Sniper propaganda bullshit got mocked too.
Fuck off.

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Don't blame me, I'm just reading what's on the charsheet.

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>> No.49243732


No, I am fairly certain I would still consider it an inferior product. The best military narratives are the ones which earnestly show the legitimate horrors, costs, and consequences of war and combat. Soldiers perform an inestimable service which is difficult to comprehend in first world society when we are so distant from the actual combat occurring, but portraying their job as glamorous and leisurely is a fantasy that too many believe in, and they believe in it because it's used as propaganda.

It's beside the point, anyway. He was asking for good things, not wank. I joined the crowd questioning Gate not because I don't think it deserves to exist or because it's particularly godawful, but because it's honestly kind of stupid.

>> No.49243795

>implying we didn't mock the posleen war books.
>implying we don't like nice works with a good amount of japanese wank in them, like Akira.
The issue with GATE is twofolds: There is actually so much wankery that it is detrimental to the story, and it ruins a perfectly good plot.
I wouldn't give a fuck about GATE if it was a standard highschool fighting tournament with Japan Is Superior oozing from every panel. But a comic about interdimentional war? Such a wasted potential.

>> No.49243808

I remember that those looked a lot like WW1 magazine-fed rifles in her vision, which is frankly far from primitive.

>> No.49243916


>Is this copypasta? Literally all of this is explained in the story

See, that's the problem. It has to be "explained" to us. When the author has to pause the story, sit the audience down and tell us what to think, that means the author is doing a shit job at storytelling. Some of his explanations are also clearly after constructions that he he made because his editors/fans were Frodo:ing him too much, like the part about how their faith seemed to worship only three of the weapons, a detail the hero somehow missed his first three months in the world?

>Except when he's not and gets fucked over like he does, y'know, constantly, amirite?

If the hero picks an egg on random and it turns out to be a super powerful waifu egg, the plot is literally handing out superpowers to him.

Honestly, if I could be arsed to reread shieldbro I could probably find 2-3 things to Frodo about on every chapter. It's not a very well made story. I'll just leave it at rule 8 in Kurt Vonnegut's list though
>8. Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To heck with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages.

>> No.49243920

>that guy who insists on single-handedly starting the industrial revolution in every D&D campaign
I can't understand, I simply can't understand why they always have to reach industrial revolution. And when you think that will be enough for them, they start to single-handedly reach for technological singularity

>> No.49243970

Because scientism is a cancer of the mind, that's all there is to it.

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I'm British actually

>> No.49244236

That's a big bulge on her dress

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>It has to be "explained" to us.

Are you kidding me? Do you even know what "telling a story" is? Have you ever read a book?

I didn't need this shit explained to me. This shit was foreshadowed to hell and back from the start. I apparently need to explain it to you because you haven't actually read it and yet are criticizing it. If you have read it, I am frankly amazed at how completely ignorant of its actual narrative you are.

The series isn't without exposition, but it shows rather than tells 80% of the time, and always does give hints before it does tell.

>Some of his explanations are also clearly after constructions

Except that's bullshit because nearly every "plot twist" I can think of is introduced or hinted at before it takes center stage in the plot. The narrative never contradicts itself and you seem utterly incapable of presenting real, tangible examples where it does.

>like the part about how their faith seemed to worship only three of the weapons, a detail the hero somehow missed his first three months in the world?

He didn't miss it, you clod. He blatantly notes it in his narration - which shows that he noticed it - and thinks it's fucked up. Why even have a Shield Hero if only three of the heroes matter? He doesn't immediately investigate because he's busy preparing for the next Wave of Calamity. When he does get a chance to investigate, he immediately gets sent on the run by Malty.

Why this is ends up explained, which I have in fact done numerous times for you, but you simply ignore it and continue bullshitting.

>If the hero picks an egg on random and it turns out to be a super powerful waifu egg, the plot is literally handing out superpowers to him.

Any of the heroes could have done that if they had raised a filorial. The circumstances are also used to set up Fitoria. Pic related.

And you can chew Vonnegut's dick all you want, you pseudo-intellectual cunt. I figured most of what was going on long before it was relevant.

>> No.49244622

Holy shit you're salty about someone calling your mango trash online. Do you need someone to talk to?

>> No.49244763

For you.

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Yeah, I am little fucking salty. I wouldn't even care if he called it trash and left it at that, because at that point it might as well be a matter of personal opinion. But no, there's this cunt blatantly misrepresenting a series he's consistently demonstrated an utter lack of understanding of. That really grinds my gears, anon.

Incidentally, it's not the manga specifically we're discussing, it's a light novel adapted from a web novel that has a manga which I happened to reference.

>> No.49244861

Totally unrelated, but why is Japanese media so dang incestuous? I don't mean in the Onii-chan~~~UwU sense, but in that everything seems to be an adaptation of an adaptation of a spinoff of an AU.

>> No.49244947

Because writers enjoy writing about old characters in different settings or writing about old characters that they liked but didn't have the spotlight.

>> No.49244962


Same reason Hollywood goes balls-deep for sequels and reboots instead of new IPs.

At least some animu and mango I've seen were made by amateurs and got the HD upgrade by pros. Overlord and One Punch Man come to mind.

>> No.49244975


Because The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya was successful once upon a time. (And then Shakugan no Shana was too. And then SAO.)

That's the really fucking truncated non-answer. Would you like a longer one? It's a bit more complicated than you might think. Some of it has to do with ASCII Media Works being the devil (there are others culprits, granted).

There's also the fascination with narou stories in current otaku-targeted media as a whole, only a few of which (noted >>49237884, actually) are really worth your time, in general.

>> No.49244988

Same reason hollywood hasn't produced an original scenario in decades, I guess.
>less expensive than paying a writer
>tried concept
>already existing fanbase
>free advertising for the original product.

Your emote cracked me up, btw.

>> No.49244990


Honestly, you're probably the one misrepresenting the series. At least your opinion about the plot turns are wayyy to rose tinted.

Everything in shieldbro is too convenient.
>Get the caster gear when everyone else have to be martial fags
>turns out the slave you bought has accelerated aging
>turns out a slave contract actually grants you experience points
>turns out the egg you bought is has a super rare turbo chicken in it
>turns out the girl you met is a princess
>turns out that the dragon you put on gave you a superpowered darkside mode (tm)
>turns out one of your predecessors apparently saved the animal ear people country or something

Meanwhile the story tries SO HARD to make us root for the protagonist by making everyone else act like idiots in order to make him look good OR everyone underestimates him so he can show them "how wrong they were to underestimate him".

Meanwhile information is withheld from the reader for no good reason and rationalizations for people's behavior are given a good 10-20 chapters after they've happened.

Basically what I'm saying is that everything in that series is a massive asspull orgy. But hey, don't take my word for it, go read it yourself!

>> No.49245082

Probably the same reason the western market is full of adaptations and reboots, to be honest. It guarantees a core audience in the form of people who were already fans of the original, which makes it the safest investment. Investors are notoriously risk-averse.

>> No.49245231

Wow that was probably the most responses I've ever gotten. I know that reboots and adaptations are popular in the west (it's pretty dang obvious), but one thing that seems odd is that it seems adaptations will change writers and cross prodution company lines in Japan a lot mroe often; when Disney adapts a Marvel character to a film and publishes it via Touchstone Pictures, it never really changes hands as Disney owns all three, and there's a solid chance that an adaptation of a modern work will have the original author on staff in some capacity, but it seems to be done differently in Japan.

Or am I just ignorant and it's basically 1:1 to how it's done in the US?

>> No.49245468


Blame! (Manga and short net animation)
Dude wanders around a solar system sized Dyson sphere looking for a genetically pure human. Minimalist in storytelling. Warning: May cause you to be sexually aroused by architecture.

Overlord (LN and Anime)
Trapped in an mmo with a slight twist. 1. Main character appears to be the only person who got trapped in the game. 2. He was playing a skeleton, and his new consciousness influences him to be a villain.

Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress (Anime)
Steampunk zombie slaying in Japan. Minor train porn. Good animation and art style.

Shingeki no Bahamut: Genesis. (Anime)
Some dude's RPG session adapted into an anime. Well, probably not literally, but if somebody told me that I would believe them. I've heard it described as being "Diablo + Pirates of the Caribbean" Which is a weird way to put it, but not wholly wrong.

Magi (Manga and Anime)
Cheerful Arabian nights themed adventure.

Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night (VN, Anime, Manga)
Summoning mythical figures to fight for you in a battle royale. Neat setting.

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>Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress (Anime)
Let me save that anon some time and post the only memorable thing about it.

>> No.49245517


Yes and no (as always, how helpful).

For an arch-example, compare Star Wars 4-6 to 1-3. Compared to the freedom Lucas had for 1-3, 4-6 had Lucas with a choke chain around his neck, held by Fox (not to mention heavy meddling and rewriting of Lucas' script). Compare the importance placed on (and effectiveness of) SFX versus story between the two.

>> No.49245709

Wonderful animation, artsyle and music that played up FUCKING NOTHING of a plot

>> No.49245842

Fate/Unlimited Blade Works is probably what you meant, since Stay Night was the trainwreck

Personally I think Overlord is painfully bad edgy wish fulfillment, and Kabaneri pretty much went nowhere, but your list seems more about things that are well animated or drawn than any other details

Also I think Bahamut was a phone game of all things that they adapted

>> No.49245863

My major grip with the story at least to the post turtle arc is how the author makes the major character stupid to push up how how good shield is. I mean most of initial mission was cleaning up the 3 heroes mess, showing the reader "look at those dumb fuck, causing so many problem" but this done with total hindsight. meaning anyone in similar position might have done the same thing.
Then there the whole I am not going to trust your leveling method cause I am a stubborn fuck, when really any gamer would try that shit out
From then to the turtle arc, the 3 hero was a kin to team rocket in term competence

>> No.49245955

Not that guy, but I think "turns out one of your predecessors apparently saved the animal ear people country or something" isn't a very fair gripe against him for being "convenient" (at least as far as I've read) and gives people an excuse to mistrust him because they expect him to do the same.

at the very least that plot point is a generic part of the "reincarnation of the chosen hero" deal.

They really should have just called it Fate/Rider for all he dominated the attention of every scene he was in.

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I'd watch that

>> No.49246059

>this entire fucking thread


>> No.49246062

Well there are the heaven's feel movies coming up. I'm really the only person I know that thinks it's the best path, so I'm kind of curious about what sort of shit storms will happen

>> No.49246064

Wasn't that the point? Kanaberi was an animation showcase first and foremost.

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>Crawling Chaos don't gotta explains hit.

Exactly. Why else would Nyarlhothep create an ever dying and resurrecting avatar of himself who has no knowledge of why this is happening?

Because the Faceless God does as it pleases.

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That's not best king though.

>> No.49246152

Is it wrong that the first thing I notice looking at the image is that collar is not tightened properly?

>> No.49246185

Then doesn't that fit best. I'm sure kazuma will beat the demon king through some surprising bullshit no one saw coming

>> No.49246203

>Overlord is painfully bad edgy wish fulfillment
Momonga's power level isn't the point of the show. Demonstrating this was the entire point of the first three episodes where he destroys the biggest, scariest stuff in the setting.

The point of the show is loneliness.

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Board quality

>> No.49246244

That might be what it expands to be about in the LN or something, but that is not a theme they explore in the anime.

>> No.49246537

>>Get the caster gear when everyone else have to be martial fags

But the other heroes can use magic if they go down those progression paths with their weapons.

I will grant that Naofumi consistently ends up the strongest of the four heroes during their various encounters, which does indicate the narrative is favoring him, but then, he's the protagonist and he generally got stronger because he had to deal with more hardship than the other heroes for obvious reasons.

>>turns out the slave you bought has accelerated aging

It's an RPG setting where a monster's growth is determined by their experience level. You might as well be criticizing all isekai fantasy stories that include video game concepts in their narrative. Otherwise, you're basically posing the question "did Yusagi invent how the setting works first or did he introduce this plot device randomly?" Certainly, the former seems less careless than the latter, but who cares as long as the concept is stuck to and is a consistent rule of the setting? Which it is.

>>turns out a slave contract actually grants you experience points

If experience is a tangible thing in the setting, a currency of personal growth people know exists, why wouldn't there be established methods developed to gain it based on a person's circumstances?

Although I forget exactly how this detail works, admittedly.

>>turns out the egg you bought is has a super rare turbo chicken in it

That's simply not how it works. It wasn't luck. Any of the heroes could do it. The summoned heroes are special, this is something already established. Naofumi and Raphtalia decided they needed a ride, so Naofumi got a filorial egg cheap. Filorials ended up having a degree of setting significance and historical relation to the four heroes (which is a consistent aspect of the narrative); you'd basically have preferred if nothing developed from the choice at all.


>> No.49246677

>>turns out the girl you met is a princess

Chance encounters happen all the time in stories. It was merely to establish her existence for later on. If that of all things broke your suspension of disbelief, I pity you.

>>turns out that the dragon you put on gave you a superpowered darkside mode (tm)

Why wouldn't a super powerful monster animated via an extremely strong curse born of its rage and hatred not create a super-powered evil shield on top of resonating with the hero's own resentment?

"B-b-but heroes getting dark sides is an animu clicheeee."

There is nothing new under the sun. What makes or breaks a concept is rarely it in and of itself, but rather how it's used.

>>turns out one of your predecessors apparently saved the animal ear people country or something

That is an incredibly disingenuous way of putting it. The Shield Saint being traditionally associated with the demi-humans is a background element being exploited by the main antagonist to sow discord and divide her enemies so that they stand no chance of overcoming her scheme. It's used against the protagonist before it benefits him.

It is also consistent that the dispositions and legends surrounding the previous generations of the four heroes reflecting back on the current wielders of the sacred weapons. Like with the filorials. It's almost like it's a consistent setting thing.

>Meanwhile the story tries SO HARD to make us root for the protagonist

I mean, if you're incapable of feeling bad for a dude who's been falsely accused of rape, is ostracized from the other heroes for this reason, and feels stigmatized due to his reputation getting fucked, sure. Otherwise, while he certainly gets shit done and has affirmative qualities, he usually acts touchy and pessimistic, even brushing off the people who are perfectly nice to him (like a whole ton of the merchants who he helped) because of his persecution complex.


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>> No.49246809

>making everyone else act like idiots

Mostly the three other heroes, and Malty is portrayed as fairly good at leading people astray. Everyone else is doing it for ideological reasons, because their anger at the last war is being played upon, or they're on Naofumi's side in the first place.

>Meanwhile information is withheld from the reader for no good reason

You'd have thought it was shitty if there was just a fuckton of exposition up front anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Granted Naofumi admits he was blinded by his own bitterness as well late in the game and if he'd not gone full edgelord things wouldn't have gotten worse.

>massive asspull orgy

It's like you don't know what foreshadowing is. Some of the oddities stick out so fucking blatantly that to say they're mistakes is almost silly.

You can maybe argue aspects of the final antagonist's precise nature is this, but since everything representative of them and their influence throughout the plot was working towards the exact same goal all along even if they didn't seem directly connected, it's not like they don't make sense.


See, this is legit criticism. Stubborn dumbfuckery wasn't really justifiable for a reasonable fucking human being at that point and there was little basis for it besides nonsensical pride.

>> No.49246978

>Airys wings

What... What about her wings?

>> No.49246999


yeah that's what I was saying

>> No.49247155


I guess I must be an absolute Sadist then, 'cause Darkness is best girl in my opinion. She even gets off on neglect play and that's wonderful.

If that succubus getting caught didn't interrupt them, I am sure she'd have let Kazuma escalate things all the way.

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I want to fuck all of the konosubas. I don't care about the consequences. The fact that Kazuma hasn't banged all of them to pieces yet when they're all clearly willing to some degree shows he is either secretly a saint or much more dedicated to the consequence-less long game than any man living.

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>I'll just leave it at rule 8 in Kurt Vonnegut's list though
>you know, those rules that were specifically about short stories
>"The greatest American short story writer of my generation was Flannery O’Connor. She broke practically every one of my rules but the first. Great writers tend to do that." - Kurt Vonnegut
You just distort literally everything you post about, huh?

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>> No.49247721

I dislike shieldbro because it doesn't do much with its awareness of the tropes. It was a bit interesting that the characters all had different views of the 'game world' and how each hero was from a different light-novel world and brought in their own tropes, but all the characters remained stereotype, even Naofumi.
>Oh I have this weak power, but with this twist its godlike
>Oh I have a harem, but I don't want to ruin our relationship
>Oh everyone has a deep seated irrational hatred for me, but with a little work it goes away
>Oh I'm really the prophesied savior outside this one area
>Oh so many women love me, I'll choose the obvious one

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I don't remember it being as subtle in the game as what this shows. I don't really think Bravely Default was particularly more interesting than other jRPGs, but it did have some fun mechanics to it, even if in many ways it was essentially a really good final fantasy 1 remake

>> No.49248314


See, I don't think this criticism is that unfair either. If you want to get into Shieldbro's flaws - because it is far from flawless - its characters, while comparatively pretty developed, really aren't all that interesting or new or depthy. They do have things going on, they're not completely vacuous, but between KonoSuba and Shieldbro, the former's characters definitely have more depth (at least in the LN). Part of the novelty is having a protagonist like Naofumi who is embittered, comes off as jaded, and doesn't take dickery lying down, but after awhile he kind of falls into a pattern of it and the novelty wears off. A lot of the characters are very archetypal and, even if the context of the plot is somewhat fresh and the narrative is well established, the people acting in that plot don't tend to be interesting in and of themselves.

The specific criticism that Shieldbro's plot or setting doesn't make sense or is inconsistent or is hugely contrived, however - thaaat's bullshit. But you don't seem to be that same guy.

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>that girl who plays a paladin and manages to roll a 1 on every other melee attack
>mfw that was me for the longest time before my dice finally stopped being bitches

>> No.49249296

>read it in ron perlman's voice

>> No.49249478

Has he done an audio novel?

We need to get Ron Perlman to to an audio novel.

>> No.49249635



That's actually a fantastic idea.

>> No.49249727

>being male
>not being a legit sadist
what the fuck is wrong with you?
I'm not saying that as a joke.

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