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Christmas in July Edition
Allergic reaction to Mk7 Sub-Edition
In the last thread we came up with a Christmas themed 30k song and proper women don't have piercings, Primarch bedrooms became a topic of brief discussion, an Anon got educated on the Apothecary model while another told us his friend who got into 30k decided to ride the Ironfire, Javelins became a topic, we saw one Anon's conversions and had another talk about armor marks. All of this plus much more in the last bread. >>48505607
Red Book Links:
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.zippyshare.com%2Fv%2Fs15Jqk1t%2Ffile.html
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HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8aqx9j3a8erqv8d/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_6_-_Retribution.pdf or
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkat.cr%2Fthe-horus-heresy-book-6-retribution-pdf-t12199249.html
HHG FAQ - http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
HH Rules:
Age of Darkness Army List: http://www.mediafire.com/download/f0c2pnieoijyrqk/Legiones+Astartes+Age+of+Darkness+Army+List.pdf
Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): https://kat.cr/usearch/%22Forge%20World%22%20heresy%20user:epistolary/
30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
Strawpoll links: http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764
www.strawpoll.me/10663447

>> No.48527640
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Giv bitter, FW! Giv now! Demand bitter!

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>>48527640
One star scum deserve nothing but pain.

>> No.48527747

>>48527685
Iz not fair, anon.

All bitter has is bundles of unhappy bitter, no bitter bitter, bitter huh?

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>>48527747
Anon, you might want to chill out. Holding on to that bitterness isn't healthy.

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Firewing is coming.

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>>48527640
That's enough riding the Iron Fire for today, boi.

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When will we get the best Errant?

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>>48527851
Bitter within! Bitter without! All shall be bitter! Bitter for the bitter god! Bitter for the bitter throne! For the bitter! Hail bitter! Bitter dominatus! Low bitter moans! Bitter chanting! Bitter over flesh! Bitter!

Bitter.

Bitterbitterbitter!>>48527903

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>>48527897
It's about time. Soon my thirst for DA knowledge can be sated.

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>>48527916
World Eaters Worst Eaters.

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>>48527926
And this, boys and girls, is what happens when you go full Iron Warrior. It should be noted that Perturabo is naturally in full Iron Warrior mode but has a second level. If you go beyond Perturbo in bitterness I don't think even the Emperor can save you.

>> No.48527970

>>48527939
Warhounds serve eternally, lost to Thunder Warriors they did...

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>>48527967
Bitter goes in all fields.

Bitter.

Bitter!

Bitter?

Bitter.

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>>48527927
>Soon my thirst for DA knowledge can be sated.
Nope anon. That information is too powerful for you, we must hide it well :^)

>> No.48528074

>>48527998
Son, please stop. Your heart can't take much more of this. FW might have to do a memorial service for you that's the ultimate shafting. Do you want so many of your fellow IWfags coming for you in Hell? Or they might just bring you back to life just to decimate you, and then do it again in Hell.

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>>48528074
>>48527967
You guys are such fools, thinking >>48527926 and >>48527998 are posts from an anon who went full LaLiLuLeIron. But I know his nature...for I used to be like him.

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>>48527998
Bitter you say?

>> No.48528125

>>48528072
I'm about to punch your face hard enough that your Primarch will feel it.

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>>48528074
The bitter, I know of it. But the knowledge of the bitter came at a cost to my bitter.

Bitter! Bitter! Bitter!

So very bitter.

>>48528105
Bitter? Bitter. Hahaha! Bitter.

>>48528123
BITTER.

>> No.48528175

>>48528105
Beep Boop? Boop beep. Bleep.
>>48528151
The bitterness within can't stay without too long you know this yes?

>> No.48528231

>>48528175
Oh, so very bitter.

I demand more! I crave it! The sweet bitter. I disgust myself for my list for bitter! But FW denies us the bitter! They give all other it, but not us! Never us! The other not-bitter got everything bitter wants, needs, even. But not us, no! The bitter belongs with us, for we crave the bitter, covet the bitter. None can have the bitter as we can, no.

Filthy not-bitters, stealing it from us.

>> No.48528292

>>48528231
Have you tried being more like Bob Ross?

>> No.48528364

>>48528292
What is a bitter, but a bitter pile of bitter? But enough bitter! have at bitter!

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Hey anons, I'm desperately looking for a place to get the hours heresy audio books.
I'm a poorfag and they get me through the day at my shit job.

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>>48528151

>> No.48528389

>>48528375
Fucking autocorrect.
Horus*

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>>48528375
>>48528389

Mmmm, bitter.

>>48528381
Ha, bitter!

>> No.48528438

>>48528375
It's in the first post m8. What kind of work do you do?

>30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg

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>>48528123
900pt unit just to shit out missiles? Ultramarines cant even siege properly!.

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>>48528438
Nice, thanks brother.
I didn't notice it up top haha.
Is there a compile of the 40k collection?
Hah, I took a shitty job at a burkes outlet in the same town as my college.
One advantage though.
Only male worker, work with qt grils all day

>> No.48528814

Are Medusan Immortals overcosted? Or do they look so damn sexy that it doesn't even matter?

>> No.48529334

>>48528814
Both, especially right now that the regular marine list was updated and the legion specifics are outdated.

I don't remember the Breachers' new cost, but Immortals are 250pts base (12pts per dude) and gain basically a ghost apothecary, and the option to buy volkite, which may be more of a change from regular breachers, but ultimately makes them even more expensive.
Breacher blobs became more expensive, so maybe the cost difference becomes less of an issue...But they're still in the overcrowded Elites slot and can't score unless in that rite.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, fuck the Fulmentarii.

>> No.48529444

Night, boys. I got a command of DAs to make some fluff for, and their modern 40k incarnation as a Dangle successor chapter living in Space France. The Lion's blessings be with you as you dream, and may it keep the trees out of your dreams.

>> No.48529558

>>48529334
damn. might just pick up some of the MK3 tacticals made for Iron Hands and just make them a Veteran Squad instead. Immortals and Gorgons both look great but Vet Squads are what will help me keep up with local 40k players.

>> No.48529609

>>48529558
>mk3 tacticals made for Iron Hands
So very bitter. Oh so bitter.

>> No.48529693

>>48529609
Hey man if you put a few more dark washes on your Iron Warriors they could be Iron Hands too. The only thing bittersweet would be throwing your Perty model in the trash.

>> No.48529743

Well time to kill myself.
Where the fuck do I get Alpharius and exodus then?
What armor does AL use? Anything specific or anything less than mk5

>> No.48529747

30k IF widow chick left us for the 40k general. This reminds me of middle school when the girl I liked picked the more popular kid to be her boyfriend instead.

>> No.48529762

>>48529743
>What armor does AL use? Anything specific or anything less than mk5
All armor marks save for mk7 until maybe Siege of Terra time.

>> No.48529842

>>48529762
But anons seem to be particular about different units having different Mk armour.
Guess ill just proxy Alph and Expdus with paper pictures

>> No.48529952

>>48529842
>But anons seem to be particular about different units having different Mk armour
And I don't care. Exodus probably uses mk4, and Alpharius's armor could possibly incorporates features from multiple armor marks like Horus does.

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>>48529747
Kek.
Get over it.
This is an 18+ board.
Also, did "she" post proof?

>> No.48530231

>>48529743
the new moritat would make for a decent exodus proxy

>> No.48530253

>>48529743
They should have plentiful access to MkII through MkIV, as well as MkVI which they stole and reverse engineered.
MkV is probably used where needed as well.
You probably won't see MkVII until the Siege of Terra (or slightly before), but they'll undoubtedly steal some at some point.

>> No.48530361

>>48529842
>But anons seem to be particular about different units having different Mk armour.
It doesn't matter, Alpha Legion was a versatile legion they didn't have a hate boner for any particular armour marks like the Iron Warriors. Just do what you like, keep the Mk VII to a minimum if any, and put effort into your dudes.
I put vets and elites in Mk IV and mooks into Mk II because vets would get first dibs. You could justify the reverse by claiming that vets like their old gear even if it is worse. You could give the mooks Mk V or give the vets Mk V because the vets are lazy fucks who want the easy to maintain armour.

I generally reserve III for hardened armour but besides that I don't actually use concrete rules about X unit has to have Y armour.

>> No.48530416

>>48529747
Doesn't matter, we are still here.

>> No.48530428

>>48529747
>30k IF widow chick left us for the 40k general.
Who cares?

>> No.48530601

Well I'm gonna make a shopping list. Where would I get:
- Sniper for Exodus?
- Jump pack for Primus Medicae
- Raven Guard/Johnny style helmets for seeker squads?
I didn't see any of the above in FW's store, nor the Moritat (I'm assuming the Moritat was something FW spoiled at some point)
>>48530361
How often did new Power Armour come out? As in wouldn't veterans who started in MK. II be dead by the time MK. IV came out?

>> No.48530639

>>48530601
>As in wouldn't veterans who started in MK. II be dead by the time MK. IV came out?
No. Astelan(somehow), Garro, Zso Sahaal, Haar, Ahzek, Khârn, the Crimson Sons, the Pale Nomands were all Terrans who probably had to go through Mk2 once.

>> No.48530739

>>48530639
>the Crimson Sons, the Pale Nomands
Who?

>> No.48530749

>>48530601
>As in wouldn't veterans who started in MK. II be dead by the time MK. IV came out?
There were veterans of Terra still alive by the time the Horus Heresy started. Plus Mk IV wasn't even fully distributed among the traitor legions let alone the loyalist legions.

So some guy might have started in Mk II, been given Mk III when they were assigned to a breacher squad or something, and nabbed some Mk IV as a captain because "I'm to old to keep fixing this Mk III." Fuck could have even used Mk V when their Mk IV broke and nabbed some Mk VI from a dead Raven Guard only to ditch it for Mk VII on the siege of Terra.

In M41 the ever fashionable EC captain finally nabs some Mk VIII from a dead veteran and wonders why the Imperium is taking so long to come out with new armour marks. He needs the newest most fashionable armour.

>> No.48530819

>>48530639
What armour would AL seeker squads use? There's not Legion Seeker kit yet from FW so should I just get the AL Headhunter kit + Legion Recon Squad. I wish they had the long-nose helmets though.

>> No.48530820

>>48530739
Pale Nomads are the precursors to the Space Sharks.

>> No.48530838

>>48530739

Crimson Sons are a Night Lords chapter who ended up being assigned as personal retinue to a Rogue Trader. The one illustration of them shows a unique scheme from the rest of the Legion, and MK. III armour. Not sure if it's accurate or not, but /tg/ lore seems to mark them out as Loyalists.

Pale Nomads, on the other hand, are a Terran Chapter of the Raven Guard who pretty much got told to fuck off by Corax once he got reunited with the Legion. They ended up assigned as a nomad predation fleet in the outer dark, and are quite likely the predecessors of the Carcharadons.

>> No.48530889

>>48530820
>>48530838
Oh I see, thanks.

>> No.48530982

>>48530819
I was gonna use Headhunters as Seekers, and swap the heads out

>> No.48531002

Is there any reason to put Castrmen Orth in anything other than a Spartan or or Sicaran?

>> No.48531252

>>48531002
You could put him in a Caestus for the lulz (it is technically a tank and has high enough front armor), and his warlord trait actually synergizes with it.

It's still a Sicaran, but a Sicaran Venator could be a decent choice if you know the opponent is bringing a Knight or a Typhon or something. You absolutely need to get that pen to make sure they're snap shotting and BS5 + re-rolling two dice picking the highest should make that happen.

If you want to tank a super-heavy tank like a Fellblade putting Orth it in is a really good idea since it saves you the points you'd otherwise have to spend on Space Marine Crew. It's also fluffy since being a super-heavy tank spearhead commander is his main job in his description. Plus, if Orth is your warlord you've now hidden your warlord behind 12 hull points of super-heavy tank armor.

>> No.48531281

>>48529558
Bear in mind that all the gun kits have the hands attached now, so if you want to keep the cool looking cybernetic hands you have to cut the hands off the guns. The heavy bolter in particular looks like it might be a little finicky but not too hard.

>> No.48531688

Well I totaled up everything I need for AL, and it's €575 or $643.
Less than I expected actually.
I'm gonna work on my MK.7 Exodus, as I like it as bad as it is, threw away the other two though. Gonna start with mold lines and making surfaces smooth, then greenstuffing the helmet, adding scales on the shoulderpads, and a cape.
The cost above doesn't account for all the different parts for Alpharius that I'll need; how do make Alpharius?

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It just says "In the army"

So If I took an allied detachment with this guy then I could make my Emperors Children Tac Squads inductii

>> No.48531720

>>48531688
Just get the Kabuki model till the real thing shows up

>> No.48531825

Question, I have the HH Betrayal Book. If I want to build an army from the lists on there, how out of date is this fucker?

>> No.48531833

>>48531825
yes

>> No.48531845

>>48531714
Certainly would seem like.

>> No.48531853

>>48531825
Quite out of date. There have been 2 red books summarising the army list, as well as 2 books detailing the legions.

You'll want both "Age of Darkness" red books to have the up-to-date information.

>> No.48531950

>>48531714
I mean he did learn his work from Fabius Bile.
>RAW I agree with letting EC have inductii
>RAI I really doubt that was what they intended
That being said I would have no problem playing against EC inductii. After all, EC would lose the chainaxes so you are trading +1 strength and rage for +1 initiative on the charge.

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>>48531950
>Tfw still no Fabius Bile rules

>> No.48532119

>>48527640
I never understood what is the meaning of the star on those torsos.

>> No.48532134

>>48532119
Perty gave everyone a sticker for participating in the Decimation

>> No.48532554

>>48532119
North star like NATO.

>> No.48532662

>>48532134
>>48532119
Except that it's a mark of armor used for its extreme ease of mass production, given to the newest IW who were recruited during the Heresy, post-Olympia. So fuck off with your decimation meme bullshit. You make this place as bad as the 40k general.

>> No.48532671

>>48528123
I don't understand this meme. its 30 points a pop to make them into the equivalent squad for iron warriors, that's 375 points vs. 295 points and the ultramarine sarge doesn't have split fire.

the iron warriors one is clearly superior at that build.

>> No.48532675

>>48532662
MkII was artificer-made so it wasn't fast to mass-produce. That's why they developed MkIV.

>> No.48532704

>>48532675
Except that particular marine is brand-new to the legion and those helm and torso are replacement armor.

>> No.48532775

>>48530166
Yup. She had some pump tits

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>>48532671
It's more that Ironfags think CML terminators are their thing and nobody else should get to have them.

>> No.48533101

>>48532675
No it wasn't. I was mass-produced, but the segmented armour and other design decisions made it labour intensive to make and maintain. MkIV switched to solid armour plates, which was vastly easier to make and repair, but at the cost of some mobility.

>> No.48533425

>>48533078
Oh. I just started hh and i am playing iron warriors. My buddy has a big mech army but hes thinking about doing some ultras. But we both agree that the loadout for ultras is a little too expensive for what it is

>> No.48533460

The Knight Errant rules include the generic Legiones Astartes rule. Since they are taken as part of the standard force organization chart and not as allies, does that mean they use the Legion specific rules of any legion they happen to join/be taken in?

>> No.48533759

>>48533460
Nope.

>> No.48533795

>>48533460
The generic version just ensures they can regroup regardless of losses.

>> No.48533859

>>48533759
>>48533795
Ah, because they're counted as "Sworn Brothers." I see.

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Why is he so perfect?

>> No.48534027

Wow, not 100 posts yet and the shitposting has been real, even without name/tripfags

>> No.48534035

>>48528293
No, because Space Marine had zero weight. You feel like a balloon animal, not a thundering god warrior. The impacts come from nowhere. Plus the visual style is hollow and lacks integration. Shooting feels okay but lazy, and the melee could be any God of War-like.

>> No.48534058

>>48534027
My best guess is 40k general spazzes. When there's not much for the rest of us to talk about, they are very swift to fill the void. They can't miss a fucking beat. This of course proves a mild disincentive for non-shitposters to contribute. So there's a small, short-term vicious cycle effect.

>> No.48534069

>>48534035
Well, we're all entitled to our opinions.

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Let's talk Dark Angels. How many Hosts and Orders did they have, and just what did they fight during the Xenocide?

>> No.48534135

>>48534035
Come again? Space marines feel like huge tanks of a man, especially when you play as a traitor, breaking IG necks and sending the corpse flying with a mere backhanded slap
You can even hear the ground shake at your every step, and a single tactical squad liberates a city with ease. You can hear every bolt exploding, and the ultimate experience is to beat horde mode alone, with dry guns and only your trusty combat knife to kill the Waagh!

That's how I played Space marine, I don't know how or what thing you played

>> No.48534152

>>48534069
Exactly. I'm sure the word "Space Marine" on the front cover is enough to make a game enjoyable to some, but the mechanics and visuals of the game actually reflecting what it means to be a space marine would do a lot more for others. Devs have a choice between picking the easy superficial approach that will make them exactly as much money, or the harder approach that will make a game go down in history.

>> No.48534160

>>48534100
I'd be nice to hear about the Xenocide in their book. The DG also participated, and the IW beated the Hrud on a different xenocide...but the UM was notoriously missing both times, legion building.

>> No.48534183

>>48534160
>but the UM was notoriously missing both times, legion building.
Are you trying to meme or just being anti-UM?

>> No.48534185

Is there a way to use upgrade kits or convert 40k rhinos to legion ones?

Or will people not be autistic over 40k rhinos when I play HH? I kind of prefer modern era ones desu

>> No.48534195

>>48534135
The sheer floatiness of the game completely undermines any feeling of tankiness. Sure, the marine *impacts* hard, that cannot be denied. But it's disjointed with the sense of weight. You could get the feeling from a guardsman wielding a power maul say - high impact but only moderate to low weight. You can hear the footsteps and explosions, but you can't feel the heave into position, the weight lifting before the fall, the kick of the boltgun. You accelerate too quickly in almost all respects. Or rather, given that marines CAN accelerate that quickly, the impact should be even stronger than we get. The numbers don't add up no matter which way you assume it.

The method works well for the Batman Arkham games, and moderately well in Gears of War (which admittedly pioneered this stuff). But both those series suffer when it comes to rendering big weighty customers, and unfortunately a 40K game is centred around that.

>> No.48534211

>>48534185
FAQ or GTFO.

>> No.48534218

>>48534185

Mars Pattern Rhinos (ie. the normal ones) were in use during the Heresy as well, it's just that the Deimos ones were more common.
So you should feel free to use normal Rhinos painted appropriately.

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>>48534185

>> No.48534236

>>48534152
Do tell the class what the correct Space Marine action game would be, because I had none of the problems laid out.

>> No.48534237

>>48534195

Have you seen how mehreens run in the GW ultramarine movie? They're supposed to move lightly because of power armor, which also makes bolter kick and sheit insignificant.

>> No.48534285

>>48534195
You do realize Marines have super-human speed and strength, and the power armour is like a second skin to them, not hindering their movement in the slightest, right? They are not big hulks of steel that move with the grace of a retarded baby elephant.

>> No.48534398

>>48526560
Aye, that's the one, but I think to avoid too much excess cutting and posing (the figure I'm using has the head, torso, and legs as one piece) I'm going to have him held up by his leg.

>> No.48534428

>>48534237
>>48534285
>>48534195
I disagree on the floaty feeling of the combat in Space Marine. In my opinion the impacts feel quite meaty and heavy.
The movement of the marine itself is relatively "light" (though it doesn't sound like it is) as you'd expect for powered armour, it's not a suit of much slower Terminator armour.

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>Reading Betrayer
>Tfw Esca just wanted to be included in the brutal pit fighting

>> No.48534741

>>48534185
They did exist in 30k so you won't trigger any lore autists, but they have a distinct "40k aesthetic" which detracts from people's experience.
You could make an entire army of loyalists with MkVII armour and plastic rhinos/whirlwinds/vindicators/predators/land raiders/knights but it looks completely indistinct from playing 40k at that point, so why bother?

>> No.48534857

Newfags here, trying to start a Blood Angels legion. What are some of the best units mechanically and fluff-wise for them? My local scene is pretty big and I think a bit more on the competitive side.

>> No.48534899

>>48534741


I have a 50/50 mix of mk III and mk IV, and some mk VI pieced together from 40k and 30k, the only things from 40k I really want to use is rhinos and drop pods, MAYBE jet packs tho I have Sanguinary Guard ones that I assume are 30k accurate if I leave off the wings??

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>>48534183
Both

>> No.48534995

>>48529747
>implying people can't post in both generals

>> No.48535020

>>48534857
Assault Marines

>> No.48535090

>>48534741
>it looks completely indistinct from playing 40k at that point, so why bother?

Because then you'd be different from all the fags running nothing but MkII, III and IV, along with Spartans and Sicarans?

You might as well ask anyone playing 40k why they'd want an army of MkIVs and Deimos rhinos, when 30k's littered with them.

>> No.48535150

>>48534741
>they have a distinct "40k aesthetic" which detracts from people's experience

Only if you're the sort of fag who thinks FW aesthetics = 30k aesthetics.

>> No.48535228

>>48534899
>I have a 50/50 mix of mk III and mk IV, and some mk VI pieced together from 40k and 30k, the only things from 40k I really want to use is rhinos and drop pods, MAYBE jet packs tho I have Sanguinary Guard ones that I assume are 30k accurate if I leave off the wings??

Sanguinary jetpacks are MkIV if you leave the wings off, so they're just fine.
And like quite a few of us have said, the 40K rhinos are perfectly acceptable.
Just make sure you pimp them up a little with appropriate iconography and signage (the 30k transfer sheets are great).

>> No.48535243

>>48534899
Same goes for the drop pods by the way, forgot to mention those.

>> No.48535265

>>48535090
You're completely missing the point. All those things are part of the "30k aesthetic".

>>48535150
Why wouldn't FW's 30k products have 30k aesthetics?

>> No.48535285

>>48535150
As FW makes the vast majority of 30k models (prior to this they were the sole manufacturer), it makes alot of sense that they also design the aesthetic.

Think before you post.

The Mars-Pattern Rhino fits in quite well, however modern MK7 and Godwyn pattern bolters have become distinct of the 41st millenia marines, being one of the details that seperates them from a Heresy-era marine.

It's like how seeing a M4 or modern plate carrier armour would look jarring in a vietnam era film, where as an M113 wouldn't; both wars have the M113, but Vietnam only had M16's and Flak jacks and didn't have stuff that came from the future (hence its the past).

>> No.48535310

>>48535265
>Why wouldn't FW's 30k products have 30k aesthetics?

FW's 30k has FW's 30k aesthetics. But that's not the only 30k aesthetic out there and anyone looking down their noses at things that aren't featured extensively in FW books but we know were around during the Heresy or have seen them in pictures set during the Heresy, is just being a massive faggot.

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>>48535285
>Think before you post.

It seems I have to, as you clearly didn't. We've had 30k stuff through the years in art, fluff and all that. FW didn't invent 30k, they merely adopted some of the designs and did their own thing. So what makes their version the "true" version and every other version untrue? Why is it that old art gets to have 30k Marine riding in "40k" bikes just fine, but not using Official(r) Forge World(tm) Outrider(c) miniatures for Outriders a heresy of the highest decree and ruins everything?

>vietnam

Your logic fails in that both MkVII and Godwyn/Ultima pattern bolters did exist during the Heresy.

>> No.48535418

>>48533078
Nah, for me it's that Fulmentarii are coming out before Tyrants. I'm oh so bitter about that.

>> No.48535423

>>48535265
>You're completely missing the point. All those things are part of the "30k aesthetic".

Who the fuck cares about "muh FW aesthetics" when I can pull out art and fluff, old and new, featuring those wrongbadfun "40k aesthetics" things used during the Heresy? This is like people having a problem with WW1 being anything other than dudes with bolt-action rifles in a muddy trench.

>> No.48535477

>>48535418
What gets me is that people are unable to buy some CML launchers and put them on Catapharctii suits without FW releasing a purpose built kit for them. Yet I'm a terrible babby because I'd like FW (or someone else) to make some 30k bits for Indomitus suits that wouldn't require one to scrounge through 3rd party bits stores, deal with converting Chaos ones into loyalist ones and spend hours filing off cruxes and aquilas.

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>>48527558
>Start 30k
>Have ton of leftover space marine bits and kits from 5th edition.
>Check old transfer sheet.
>No raven guard transfers.
>Even the salamanders and BT have transfers.

Did they ever update that sheet or am I going to have to shell out for the FW ones?

Also goddamn the IW transfers on the chaos sheets look retarded.

>> No.48535649

>>48534236
If you want to passive aggressive that's your problem, I'm just outlaying exactly what felt wrong about Space Marine. It could've been any other hack'n'slash game, with the mechanics defined first and the fluff tacked afterwards. That's not the quality I'd want from a Warhammer product. Warhammer is about the fluff, and getting the mechanics to reflect that comes first. I've already defined that well enough.

>>48534237
Oh god, don't remind me of that travesty. The opening credits to Dawn of War ONE kick its ass in every respect.

>> No.48535678

>>48534285
You clearly skimmed the text if you think the speed of Marines wasn't accounted for in the explanation.

>>48534428
Another speedreader who missed the fact that impacts feel unsupported. The floatiness undermines the impact, not that there is no impact. Nothing about a marine should scream "light". "Light" and "juggernaut" don't work together.

>> No.48535686

>>48535649
Were you on the design team, since you seem to know so much about the game and their philosophy on making it.

>> No.48535702

>>48535649
>The opening credits to Dawn of War ONE kick its ass in every respect.
That's because they had approximately the same budget.

>> No.48535707

>>48535678
Maybe you're just shit at conveying what you mean?

>> No.48536093

>>48535686
You're trying to make me feel bad by telling me I know design principles? I mean, nevermind that isn't an argument, but it doesn't even make sense from the perspective of an attack.

>>48535702
Really? That's just sad. Fuck GW central.

>>48535707
Here's what I wrote:
>given that marines CAN accelerate that quickly, the impact should be even stronger than we get.
You somehow think this indicates a disregard for marine speed?

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>>48536093

GW has little, if any, to do with a developer or publisher being funded when they make a video game using GW's IP. After its negotiated, if it's in the contract, GW can act in a producer role and nitpick but beyond that it's all on the device to make it happen financially.

As for 'floatiness', Space Marines are fast. FAST! Heavy and fast. They are not lumbering behemoths, they GO FAST on power armor assisted legs. Their reaction times, spatial awareness, etc is superhuman as well. They would appear fast, even weightless at times until something collided with them. You issue is that the collision physics didn't send Grirs, traitor guard, ork Boyz, etc flying whenever you ran at them or barreled your way jnto a crowd. Except... it did?

The only valid complaint on see with its melee is getting staggered out if animations by the attacks from cannon fidder, but such is video games, proper physics is a nightmare if not impossible to model , much less expect to run on the hardware they built for.

Also, pic related , is about as accurate you'll get to astartes running at full tilt, and even then the bear outweighs one by at least 4-800 lbs. Do not try to run away from bears, ever.

>> No.48536722

What's the philosophy on termie command squads? I was thinking a couple power weapons, a chainfist and maybe an autocannon or some lightning claws?

Or should I keep things bare bones?

>> No.48536858

>>48536093
What do you want to happen when a marine is charging at nearly identically sized hulks of orks? Christ, man, you can punch grots into red mist. How is that lacking impact? You can send enemies flying with the stomp of your boot.

>> No.48536929

>>48536858
No no, the fault lies in you for not understanding what he means. That's an hour in the pain glove until you can imagine marines punching a Titan into dust or something, them lightweights

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First try at painting DG, I think it came out pretty well. I learned a lot and I am excited to paint more. What do you think /hhg/?

>> No.48536999

>>48536970
You made pleb-tier MkIV look worthy of the DG, congrats, anon! Say...will you do MkIII as well anytime soon?

>> No.48537072

>>48536970
>no pickelhaube

0/10

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>>48537072
You could say he's missing the point.

>> No.48537150

>>48537072
>missing

They are on their way, I like to think he's the FNG with his mkiv armor

>>48536999

Not in the immediate future, I've got two boxs of BaC to paint up first, typhon, and mortarion. I'm probably going to expand into some vehicles after that. When I get around to it the mk3 guys will be the veteran squads for a reaping list.

>> No.48537196

>>48537150
>They are on their way

Squad morale restored!

MkIV DG with Pickelhaube is so iconic not doing it feels like blasphemy. I don't people tooting the DG MkII/III horn.

>> No.48537327

Has anyone done a Scorpius with different launcher? I'm not a huge fan of the one FW does and been trying to figure how to make something different.

>> No.48537404

>>48536340
The funding chat was entirely unconnected to the Space Marine game, we were talking about the movie, which I think any sane human would agree looks like dogshit. The game actually has quality visuals by contrast, but the direction is off and, again, sense of weightlessness.

If you're just going repeat points that have been dealt with ad-nauseum, there's no point in discussing it. The footage of a running bear you link neatly encapsulates my point entirely. That bear looks WEIGHTY. You can see the pull of each leaping bound *before* it happens. It's not just a matter of impact, there's both a before and an after to consider.

>> No.48537465

>>48536970

Looking good, anon! I like your FW-ESQUE approach with subdued colors and dirty armor, I've never been a fan of GW studio schemes that exaggerate their already clunky Heroic proportions.

>> No.48537471

>>48536858
For the sake of summary I'll repeat myself this once: I want the marine to feel like he's heaving the weight into the Ork to match the resulting impact. It's not good enough if the weight moves like a balloon and suddenly BOOM GUTS EVERYWHERE. It's got to have the initial OOMPH so that the speed feels impressive.

No-one has yet asked for an example of a game that does weight well, which is sad but okay. The best example by far is Shadow of the Colossus. The scale is admittedly far above a marine in most cases, but the two smallest colossi in the game are pretty much the right height and weight for the front of their bodies to convey exactly what I mean. Have a look at the following clips:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUHKS-3uKew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDHrRvPC81U
Look specific at how the beasts transitioning /into/ movement. Think about the acceleration.

>>48536929
Something wrong with you if you think that's a reasonable feat.

>> No.48537493

>>48537471
Oh yeah, and for reference's sakes, if a game were to do Knights and Titans properly, they would learn a LOT from SotC. Most large entities in video games look like ass (here's to you, Daemon Prince from the Ultramarines movie).

>> No.48537566

>>48537404
>That bear looks WEIGHTY. You can see the pull of each leaping bound *before* it happens. It's not just a matter of impact, there's both a before and an after to consider.
Memes aside, I want to understand your point. You want the marine model to show that it's heavy as in straining to move, right?
I think BL described the term "inhuman awe" or something similar to the fact that a 8ft hulk of armour SHOULDNT be that agile, but they do.
And that's when they're on your side.

>> No.48537668

>>48537566
Straining is not the word I used. In fact, I conspicuously avoided any words like lumbering or lurching because that's exactly not what I meant. Space Marines are speedy as hell, and it's good that Space Marine conveys that. No complaints there, that's the minimum requirement. They should move quicker than Guardsmen. Acceleration is a different question however, because that's basic physics. What makes that footage of a running bear so awesome is the shuddering power of each stride. A much lighter animal wouldn't produce that effect unless it was travelling much faster. The thing that MAKES a space marine so awesome is seeing something so heavy, move so quickly. Thus, in order to convey that, an animation must both nail the weight AND the speed. The Ultramarines movie fucks up both points, while the Space Marine game is lacking in one but good in the other. I've argued that the DoW intro movies do well in both regards.

>> No.48537865

>>48532671
The UMs have BS5 and Tank Hunters built in. IWs would need two different characters tacked on to achieve that (or Perturabo) which actually makes the cost about the same for a ten man unit when you factor in the cost of a Master of Signal and a Siege Breaker in appropriate wargear.

>> No.48537879

>>48537668

>The thing that MAKES a space marine so awesome is seeing something so heavy, move so quickly

Isn't that something that gets mentioned in the lore, the "Trans human shock" that normal human soldiers experience when they fight space marines because, simply, something that big shouldn't move that fast

>> No.48537891

>>48535477
The contemptor cyclone missile launchers from FW actually look pretty good on cataphractii, but they're $13 each. $130 just for bits for your ten man unit is kind of silly.

>> No.48537905

>>48537471
>No-one has yet asked for an example of a game that does weight well, which is sad but okay.

Oh fuck you, you little shit. That sort of question was asked and you just gave shit.

>> No.48538001

>>48530749
Let me tell you how fucking stubborn and obstinate the average grunt is:

He hates all the shit he has to carry.
>What is all this stupid bullshit? Why the fuck am I humping all this crap? I am literally never going to fucking use at least half of this crap.

He doesn't like carrying machine guns and will bitch about them until he needs to use it. God forbid you try to take that machine gun from him and give him a much lighter rifle.
>Fuck this m240 why the fuck do I get stuck humping this piece of shit?
>Suddenly, enemy contact!
>FUCK YEAH MAXIMUM CASUALTY PRODUCING DEVICE GET SOME MOTHERFUCKERS
>Enemy engagement over
>Fuck this stupid heavy shit FUCK MY LIFE ARGH
>We're taking your 240 and swapping you to an M4 so the new guy can get some trigger time on the-
>NO! YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY WEAPON

He will stubbornly keep using equipment he doesn't like simply because it's already set up the way he likes it and he's too lazy to set up a new piece of gear.
>God these MTV's are shit. Overheating like a motherfucker, fuck who decided to line the inside of this thing with wool what the fuck
>We're issuing plate carriers
>Fuck that my flak is already set up the way I like it
>Weren't you just now bitching about-
>SHUT THE FUCK UP I'M NOT SETTING UP MY SHIT AGAIN

Now multiply that level of stubbornness and borderline autism to Astartes levels.

>> No.48538027

>>48537471
>>48537668
I'm totally lost now. You want there to be weight, but you don't want them to be big and heavy. You like how they got speed, but you don't like how easily they move.

I never had any problems with how Marines handled in the game. I enjoyed the fact that they were fast and not fat space marines like in Gears of War, where everything felt disconnected. I liked how you could rush orks over and punch little shits to piles of guts. But I guess I'm just dazzled by the title and am easily won over by the 40k logo on the box.

>> No.48538152

>>48537865
>The UMs have BS5 and Tank Hunters built in. IWs would need two different characters tacked on to achieve that
:'^(
And Perturabo doesn't confer his Tank Hunters to his squad. Stay BITTER, my friends.
>>48537668
>Acceleration is a different question however, because that's basic physics.
Well, Heavy stuff is more difficult to accelerate...unless it's clad in powered armour and genenhanced muscles. It would help if the armour clanked (more) when moving to give us a sense of mass from it...but a tight fit prevents it.

>> No.48538227

>>48538152
>And Perturabo doesn't confer his Tank Hunters to his squad
Did they clarify that in the new book? The old one said he has Tank Hunters "on his attacks" but that's not how that rule works. If a model has Tank Hunters the entire unit has Tank Hunters. It's pretty clearly defined in the BRB. You can't just give it to "attacks."

Actually just looked at the scan for the new book and the wording is the same. Looks like the only thing they changed was the new (worse) portrait they made to more closely match his model.

>> No.48538265

>>48538152
>It would help if the armour clanked (more) when moving to give us a sense of mass from it...but a tight fit prevents it.

And the fact that it's suppose to be pretty quiet. You got Marines that go sneaking in power armour. Since it's mostly synthetic muscles, there's not that much servos and such to cause noise.

>> No.48538336

>>48536970
Hello fellow DG brother, looks really good! How did you dirty him up?

>> No.48538363

>>48538265

There are servos that kick in during strain, iirc along the elbows, its mentioned during the first Ragnar novel (BL so canon authenticity beware!) I coukd see them on maybe shoulders, knees and waist. In general support should be in those areas.

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>>48537196
>Pickelhaube is so iconic not doing it feels like blasphemy

I do love the look of the mkIV helm and so I will splash some in, but I agree those pickelhaube helmets really represent the death guard. The vast majority of my power armor DG will be wearing them.

>>48537465

Thank you, that's what I was going for. I think that style lends better to a "historical" wargame than the usual comic book looking style people have adopted for 40k.

>>48538336
There are two steps sort of... first part is getting the DG looking like they do in the art when they are sort of clean looking and the second step is weathering it.

Prime grey, base coat Zandri Dust, wash agrax earthshade, apply a second coat of Zandru Dust making sure to avoid the recess. Highlight with flayed one flesh, broad strokes on flat panel surfaces and extreme highlights where needed. You will end up with what is pictured.

Mix brown with black and lightly sponge on this mixture with some foam create chipping. Now you want to pick out places that would have gathered dirt and grime, mostly the legs and recessed areas. Wash those in sepia, but don't cake it on your just trying to stain the white. If you really want you can apply some more aggrax by dragging it out of the recesses, trying to create an illusion of water stains. After that dries you can use some browns and oranges to create rust streaks from the simulated water stains. You can clean up with flayed one flesh if you fuck up or want smaller streaks.

>> No.48538578

Just got back from a week on holiday, what spicy new memes have I missed out on fags?

>> No.48538625

>>48538227
>The old one said he has Tank Hunters "on his attacks" but that's not how that rule works. If a model has Tank Hunters the entire unit has Tank Hunters. It's pretty clearly defined in the BRB. You can't just give it to "attacks."
That's precisely the point. Last time I asked, the response I got, from thus thread no less, was that the fact it specified "Perty's attacks have TH" instead of "Perty's got TH, period" meant he didn't hand out TH to his squad.
Don't worry, anon, Wrecker is bound to be useful...I guess.
It's not like the AL is the only legion that can run Tyrants better than the IW, anyway.

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>>48538578

Intensifying bitterness.

Also, is anyone else a fan of the IV Legion pre-Perturabo? The winged bolt symbol looks pretty rad, the "stoic warhorse that works well with others" schtick is a nice ironic twist from the legion they'd ultimately become under Papa Iron

>> No.48539024

>>48538951
Pre-Pert is a bunch of fuckups, thoughs.

>> No.48539039

>>48539024

Post Pert are still fuckups, who make everyone hate them.

>> No.48539042

>>48538951
Yep. Several pre-primarch colours are pretty cool looking. The Crimson Sons variant of the Night Lords, War Hounds, Dusk Raiders. Really makes me wonder what the Storm Walkers looked like.

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Reminder that DG were better siege specialists than IW ever were.

>> No.48539058

>>48527939
Where is the edited picture of this dude looking smug like the others

>> No.48539085

>>48538951
Definitely. While they still had a severe problem with throwing legionaries away in campaigns, I think the legion would have been better off without Pert, since the only good thing he brought them was hazard stripes. Don't get me wrong, I still think Pert is a top tier Primarch and fully encompasses the whole flawed demigod bit nicely, but there's just something about the whole bitterness intensifies and inconsistent portrayal of both himself and the post-Olympia IW that really puts me off. Probably why I'd always fluff my army as another loyalist force like Vhalen or Dantioch rather than go for a traitor army.

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>>48539058

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>>48539049
>The DG siege better than the IW
>Posts a nigga dressed for void ops
Well memed

>> No.48539605

>>48539525
stay bitter iron boy

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>>48539605
Pfffft, that's like telling me "don't forget to breathe, buddy".
>mfw I'm also a poison-huffer

>> No.48539837

DAngels or BAngels, /tg/?
I like their 30k fluff and rules equally, not to mention their colours. Aesthetically. I do like the BA infantry upgrade better than the DA ones, but wouldn't base my ultimate decision on that.

>> No.48539856

>>48539525
>impling void warfare isn't just siege warfare in space

>> No.48539895

>>48539837
All Angels players are fags. Don't join them.

>> No.48539908

>>48538001
Oh I understand, hence saying that giving vets the old shit could easily be fluffy too. But not everyone is identical and certain legions cared a lot about aesthetics and so might have ditched their old gear for the newer better looking shit. So you can justify pretty much any setup you want.

>> No.48539911

I need a modelling project for my mechanicum army. What would be a cool Lord of War concept for Legio Cybernetica and Ordo Reductor?
I don't mean something that exists; rather something I can model ad homebrew some rules for.

>> No.48539969

>>48536340
Fucking hell I didn't know bears could be that fast. Between that and climbing to trees, it seems playing dead is the best way to survive indeed.

>> No.48539991

>>48539837

Flay Firewing DA

>> No.48540015

>>48539991
¿Que es?

>> No.48540040

>>48540015

Obviously he is a Nightlords player and has an extreme dislike of the Dark Angels' Firewing, as he is responding with a command to flay them.

>> No.48540061

>>48529747
Literally who

It's a fucking anonymous board, NP one cares

>> No.48540077

>>48532775
Proof required

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>>48540061
That's what she would say...Alpharius-chan.

>> No.48540095

>>48540040
But what is a Firewing?

>> No.48540129

>>48540095
To me, wings of fire are jump pcks, so it'd make sense the Firewibg to be the DA's take on Angel Wrath and assault marines and such, especially given how the Dreadwing is the destroyer rite in the legion with the most toys (instead of, you know, dreadnoughts).
But it's a secret.

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>>48539525
>s-s-space siege warfare d-doesn't count!
>IW Master race confirmed.

Yeah okay.

>> No.48540150

>>48540095

One of the Dark Angels subdivisions, like the Deathwing and Ravenwing in 40k

30k has those two and Firewing, Ironwing, Stormwing, and Dreadwing

>> No.48540213

>>48540129
>>48540150
Dreadwing sounds fun.

>> No.48540217

>>48540150
You know, my neighbor is called Edwin, but when we were kids we would (miss)call him Edwing. Now all I can imagine is a full wing of Eds.
It doesn't help that I dreamed with buying shoe-sized Deathshrouds today

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>>48539856
>>48540134
Of course it isn't the same, you donut. If you aren't using heavy weapons, artillery and such then you aren't sieging -- you're merely angry. Or is boarding a ship a "siege"? Nigga here in his powered sweatpants is sieging harder than your legion :^)

>> No.48540392

>>48540290
>If you aren't using heavy weapons, artillery and such then you aren't sieging
space battles are usually decided by superheavy weapons and artillery

>> No.48540413

>>48540290
>we siege harder because we lose more marines!

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>>48540392
>He doesn't fire the Ursus claws

>> No.48540436

>>48540213
It's essentially the Death Guard of the Dark Anfels

>> No.48540481

>>48540429
regular boarding torpedoes, thunderhawks and teleport assaults are more exciting to me

Because then the teams have to do their shit while the ships pound each other with ordinance.

>> No.48540534

IWanon/Thunderwarriofag/II Legion homebrewer here, Drum roll please.....

My 500 points of mk2 despoilers came in today!!!

Complete with four sets of Mk2 Iron Warrior torsos, four sets of Mk2 World Eaters helms and a Mk2 Command squad!!!

YES, MUCH EXCITE. Now to put my conflicted soul to rest...

Do I make Blackshields with a Thunder Warrior spin off?

Iron Warriors from an independent fortress world with strong ties to the World Eaters.

Or the II Legion, revealed at last using standard Legion rules or if opponents allow it, muh homebrew.

>> No.48540541

>>48540290
>>48540290

Next your going to argue that it's not technically a siege if your guys aren't wearing caution stripes. Step it up senpai. DG are the best a siege warfare, it's a fact.

>> No.48540557
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Word Bearers 2500

HQ-335
175: Zardu Layak
160: Legion Centurion-Chaplain, Artificer Armour, Retractor Field, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs, Burning Lore

ELITES-770
120: Apothecary 2x, one has an Augury Scanner x1, one has a Jump Pack and Power Sword
395: Gal Vorbak 10x (+5), Power Maul x1, Power Axe x1, Martyr with Artificer Armour and Power Fist
60: Legion Rapier Weapons Battery x1, Quad Mortar x1 (Frag Shells)
195: Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought, Two Kheres Pattern Assault cannons, Havoc Launcher

TROOPS-613
235: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), Sergeant with Power Axe
378: Legion Assault Squad 20x (+10), Power Weapon-Sword x4, Sergeant with Power Fist, Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs and Combat Shield

HEAVY SUPPORT-595
205: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank, Sponson Lascannons
155: Legion Artillery - Medusa
235: Kharybdis Assault Claw

HQ-95
95: Herald of Tzeentch, Psyker-Mastery Level 2, Disc of Tzeentch

TROOPS-90
90 Pink Horrors of Tzeentch 10x

Gal Vorbak in Kharybdis, Herald on Disc uses Diviniation to support them and Assault Squad. Zardu sits back with a Tactical and summons more units. Mortis is my AA and Havoc Launcher is there for points reasons and more blob control. Medusas are just great, and Rapier is for taking out backfield units.
Should I drop the Rapier to make the Herald Lv3 and add the Grimoire?

>> No.48540571

>>48540534
The first and last are really special snowflake so I would say the second.

>> No.48540582

>>48540077
Go search the last 40kids thread bitch.
She had a rhino on her head and some healthy jugs hanging.

>> No.48540590

>>48540571
How would Thunder Warriors be special snowflake?

I don't think you used Snowflake correctly in that example.

>> No.48540615

>>48539895
SoH butt hurt fag is back! Here to shit up a thread or two? Must suck to have no life... back to pre gaming

>> No.48540632

>>48540557
What rite are you using?

Also I don't think zardu can actually do malefic, only WB librarians can. And even if he could, does he really need a 20 man bubblewrap?

>> No.48540638

>>48540582
and healthy they were. still not attractive, but given that we're all warhammer players here, we'll take what we can get.

>> No.48540655

>>48538951
Why do IW players make the gayest fucking memes?
> beep boop
> bitterness
> IF vs IW shit
Your all so fucking sad

>> No.48540668

>>48540655
Nuuuu, Beep Boop was pretty amusing!

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>>48540217

A Wing of Eds you say?

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>> No.48540679

>>48540590
They are supposed to be almost all dead. A bunch of them forming an entire army would be pretty special snowflake.

>> No.48540685

>>48538001
This nigga has been there

>> No.48540712

>>48540668
anything potentially amusing about it was trod into the ground from repetition

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>>48540413
>Implying the DG isn't a meatgrinder as well
Get to surpass the 100 000 marine mark and then we can talk about casualties, pleb.

>> No.48540768

>>48540679
Blackshields can pretty much be any marine equivalent fighting force. The whole point is that it opens the the floor to muh fallen ones, gene enhanced marines, outrider equivalents, all kinds of shit that don't fit in the standard Legions.

Furthermore there is a precedent for the Thunder Warrior genephage being cured in the Outcast Dead, Arik Taranis successfully creates an uncorrupted Thunder Warrior progenoid or Gene Seed.

>>48540712

That's where I'm lucky, still pretty much a newfag.

>> No.48540769

>>48540670
Thank you so much, friendo.

>> No.48540790

>>48540751
you just proved my point

>> No.48540847

>>48540290
IW werent even the best siege legion.

WE, IF, UM, and DG all did it better than them. thats why the IW get no respect or recognition.

IW are the ditch digging retard legion.

>> No.48540857

>>48540768
Except drop pod assaults.

>> No.48540871

Lots of talk about meatgrinder legions (IW, DG, WE) who had massive casualties proportionally to their strength. But who was the opposite, who had the fewest proportional casualties prior to isstvan?

I reckon thousand sons may have had the fewest casualties, but were so small that proportional to their total strength it probably counted as a lot. Raven guard and alphas are also candidates, but I think the word bearers may have had the fewest %, simply because they crusaded less than most (spending time indoctrinating every planet) and there were LOADS of them.

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>>48540712
You poor little snowflake, you

>> No.48540895

>>48540632
No RoW
It's been FAQ'd that he can.
20 man bubblewrap w/ Apoc is also for holding the backfield. Its just more points efficient I believe this way than running Veterans.
I plan on buying the Mharga Gal dread and converting it up for my Mortis, hence the Deamon theme to the list.

>> No.48540904

>>48540871
>who had the fewest proportional casualties
ultramarines, emperor's children, thousand sons

At least that's what I'd think.

>> No.48540906

>>48540871
Night Lords

>> No.48540918

>>48540871
UM, SoH

basically the only 2 legions who actually used tactics

>> No.48540925
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how do you think this color scheme for IF would look with MK4 armor? I haven't actually seen any models with this scheme before, currently in the process of basecoating my army with Leadbelcher because having a whole army primarily in black was kinda lame looking.

>> No.48540929

>>48540904
maybe Alpha Legion too? Though they may just not report losses

>> No.48540992

>>48540929
alpha legion are only the best at being the butt of every joke

>> No.48541020

>>48540992

Which is exactly what the Alpha Legion wants you to think.

Then you realize Alpharius is in your closet and is going to kidnap you and turn you into an Alpharius

>> No.48541130

>>48541020
if he could do that he wouldn't have to pull stunts for attention

>> No.48541139

>>48540790
Thing is the DG always took to field comanded by Mortarion himself, were highly resilient and survivors on top of everything, but they always took enough casualties that they were never able to be a lot.
Casualties never meant a thing to post-Pert IWs, who even when forgotten by his Primarch and on their own managed to prosper into independent fully fledged Expeditionary Fleets.
Meanwhile, the one time the DG separates, Typhon managed to screw up his Primarch's plans.
What I'm saying is casualties hurt the DG more than the IW.

>> No.48541183

>>48540929
Alpha Legion suffered fairly high losses because Alpharius was an edgy retard "I had to let the enemy prepare or else it would have been too easy." But yeah EC and UM were all about precise planning and doctrine so they probably had fairly light casualties compared to the rest, TS I'm not sure about but they lacked the numbers to afford heavy casualties.

>> No.48541350

>>48540871
Night Lords, since they'd fuck off of anything went badly for them. Also, they'd pick easy targets.

>> No.48541483

>>48540925
It's a nice scheme, so by that vein it will probably do quite well with all armour marks, especially if you can find a nice loincloth.

However from that picture it looks like it would be hard to tell apart from the black and yellow templar scheme that pretty much everyone uses for IF, so there's that.

>> No.48541505

>>48541183
Nah, they would infiltrate, get all the spies on backstabbing positions, all the snipers fully scoped and only then would they call it "Go".
But the fact they left everything so broken, the time they spent planning and infiltrating and the information supression was the thing people would complain about them.
After all, what Horus disliked about Paramar was that the AL broke them so hard the SoH had to reinforce the place

>> No.48541562

>>48541505
Sounds more RG style what you described there, AL style the people you're trying to kill would actually be working for you, and none of them would know, you wouldn't make yourself known until it was too late to stop your plan or shit really hits the fan.

This is what I feel like they're meant to be, or you can accept their /hhg/ status as the meme legion, which does suit them equally well.

>> No.48541576

>>48541505
Doesn't mean they didn't suffer losses. Their wars were bloodier and slower than they should have been. On paper Alpha Legion was one of the shittiest legion because Alpharius tried to prove himself in stupid ways.

>> No.48541661

>>48541483
thanks for the response. at this point I'll either be doing that scheme or saying fuck it and going iron hands with my legion. liking imperial fists and hating yellow (as a beginner painter) are a terrible combo haha.

>> No.48541710

>>48541661
Hey if you like imperial fists go imperial fists, the colour scheme will only be a setback to begin with. Just practice and experiment, Yellow is one of the hardest colours to paint, but if you can get that nailed, anything else you want to paint will be easy in comparison.

>> No.48541720

>>48541661
yellow isnt that hard to paint. its way easier than white is.

just work from a light primer and its not a big deal.

>light primer > lightbrown/dark yellow > yellow > light yellow highlights
etc. even white isnt hard to paint, it just takes a million thin coats because white doesnt cover for shit.

>> No.48541759

>>48541710
you're right, I do need more practice. I'm just one of those nerds who doesn't like to play with unpainted stuff, and I'm reeeeally craving to start playing again. I'm sure you know how that feels.

>> No.48541859

>>48541759
Oh yeah I know that feeling, I play white scars, and I'm autistic about only using MkV so I spend weeks waiting for plastic chinese microbeads for conversions that may or may not be incredibly toxic.

It might make it a little easier if you just start with basecoating everyone so it's slightly more acceptable for the tabletop, and then just slowly work your way up.

>> No.48541879

>>48541720
White's not hard, just prime white and then add washes

>> No.48541908

>>48541859
ha! damn that sounds fucking tedious beading your own dudes. yeah I'm priming my army with leadbelcher and starting over from scratch this week. best case scenario: my yellow is still shitty, but since >>48540925 scheme is only half a helmet, one shoulder, and one gauntlet, it'll only look half as shitty.

>> No.48542011

>>48540290
>is boarding a ship a "siege"?
Dude, Imperial ships are so enormous that you may as well be besieging them when you board

>> No.48542084

>>48541879
honestly that would probably work for yellow too.

>prime yellow > wash with brown > highlight with yellow > highlight again with lighter yellow > add weathering powders/blood etc.
would be stupidly easy

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>>48541562
I did say "Spy" rather than "Scout". AL spies didn't even know they worked for them most of the time.
>>48541576
Yeah, I guess getting people into traps gets a lot of your dudes dead...

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>>48542011
Well, I'd argue that capturing a castle by storming it isn't the same as flattening it from afar...but the whole concept of grenadiers (assault soldier for siege operations) relies on the fact you'd siege with the aim to capture the fort.

We had a nice run :^) , and no one can deny the DG thrive on ZM operations, which would accurately represent the inside of a fortress, and they're known for destroying them from within.

To close this issue, if the hive city doesn't come to the starship, the starship must come to the hive city.

>> No.48542321

>>48540925

I think red instead of yellow would work better, but I understand that isn't an actual theme or within the IF color scheme.

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>>48542286
>dark steel rain

>> No.48542527

>>48542321
red would look great, and blood angels really appeal to me...only problem is that I'm an impatient fuck who doesn't want to start the legion before GW releases plastic assault marines or FW releases resin special units for them.

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>>48542406
>"Our drop pods will blot out the sun!"

>> No.48542832

>>48542406
But the image is from star wars

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>>48542682
>Heheheh
>What are yae laughing about?
>You said it yourself - Fight in the sha- *thump*
Brother Wolfarius was crushed by his own side's drop pods

>> No.48542876

>>48542842
Was Russ a manlet primarch, or was it an alpha-style big marines and small primarch?

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>>48542876
It's simply a dumb pic, like many out there.
Him being a mere head and shoulders taller than those sisters would men he's regular-human sized, not even 8ft tall.

Unless those are also huge Valkyrie-amazons or something.

>> No.48542970

>>48542876
>Was Russ a manlet primarch
probably. he never learned and picked fights with his betters for no reason

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>>48542970
>probably. he never learned and picked fights with his betters for no reason
Huh, it's funny that Russ' legion is called "The Emperor's Executioners", while the TS are referred to as "Tzeentch's bitches".

And I'm not even a furfag.

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>> No.48543059

>>48543011
sure thing, furfag.

i dont give 2 shits about ksons, but yiffs pretty much napoleon complex : the legion.

>> No.48543074

>>48543011
>The Emperor's Executioners
>1 hit KO'd by the Lion
>Beaten to almost death by Angron
>Couldnt finish a small legion with the help of Custodes and Sisters AND ambushing said legion
>Mauled by the Alpha Legion
>Fulgrim has more primarch kills than Russ


awoooooo

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>>48543059
>yiffs pretty much napoleon complex : the legion.
I guess so.
>>48543074
This is a No awooing zone, sir, I'll need you to stop doing that.

>> No.48543112

>>48543074
>Two Legions redacted by his hands. Two Primarchs assumed similarly redacted.

>> No.48543119

>>48543074
>Fulgrim has more primarch kills than Russ
some random assassin girl has more primarch kills than russ.

>russ primarch kills : 0
>fights won by russ : 0
yet he never learns and still tries to pick fights

>> No.48543193

>>48543112
>2 nonexistant legions because they were the default your dudes legions
>the only 'fluff' about them is like 1 sentence in a BL book saying that they arent around anymore and being vague as fuck, on purpose
>b-b-but that means my yiff king kill them all, he can kill anybody thats why he won so many fights.

>> No.48543241

>>48543193
Anon, don't be a bitch.

A) Russ isn't a primarch I favor.

B) There are plenty of references to the Space Wolves doing some legion slaying between books.

C) The two missing Legions, left open for fluffing your own legions have since been killed off by the Emperor, pretty much canon at this point. Deal with plot adjustments.

>> No.48543268

>>48540557
As you said, lose the Rapier with Quad Mortar to make your Tz Herald Lv3 with Grimoire.
That gives you 5 extra points to play with, so might as well make that Tacticals Serg have a Fist or a Melta Bomb.

>> No.48543281

>>48543241
>Anon, don't be a bitch.
you are the one making up headcanon based on 1 sentence from a BL book. kek

>> No.48543309

>>48543074
It's a bit of a shame beating Russ didn't stop those traitor legions from getting excommunicated.

>> No.48543333

Have you seen Imperial Cults and Militias done at your store? Any good conversions or fun games?

>> No.48543334

>>48542832
dark side
dark empire
dark greetings
dark blessing

dark steel rain, presumably a maneuver taken from the dark codex astartes

>> No.48543348

>>48543281
It's referenced in both Prospero books, the Outcast dead references the wolves having a hand in it, Know no Fear has it mentioned by the Thousand Sons ship master as well.

"Muh headcanon". To each their own Anon.

>> No.48543367

>>48543241
>There are plenty of references to the Space Wolves doing some legion slaying between books.

Night Lords were also part of exterminating the two legions, whats your source for claiming Russ killed them with his hands? it could've been Curze.

Russ has ZERO confirmed kills, Fulgrim has two very confirmed kills.

>> No.48543399

>>48543348
>Outcast dead
yeah wow, what a great book. its fluff is held in such high regard.

>nothing more than a handful of vague sentences
>so ill just fill in the rest with 'muh yiff king being da best evar'
seems par for the course. furfags are insane

>> No.48543454

>>48543367
Russ talks about not wanting to turn his blade against his brothers again in Prospero Burns, kinda implies he turned his blade against the other primarchs, kinda implies he killed them when he draws a parallel between Horus telling him to kill Magnus.

>> No.48543471

>>48543367

One confirmed kill, if they decide to return Guilliman for the End Times as has been rumoured.

>> No.48543501

>>48543399
Sigh, I already express I don't like Russ, I'll say it again, I don't have any bias towards him, In fact I would daresay It's the opposite, I am a HUGE Thousand Sons fanboy.

Your opinion of the book doesn't detract from the elements it brings forth to the narrative, pretending that invalidates my reference doesn't serve to substantiate your argument.

My claim is the same as it has been from the start, its pretty heavily implied he killed those Primarchs.

>> No.48543502

>>48543454
Except that we already have other fluff examples of Russ turning his blade against his brothers. Once with Angron (Russ lost) and once with Lion (Russ lost).

>> No.48543516

>fags giving two shits about a bunch of retards with daddy issues and Chaos corruption

The Emperor should have just picked up each one of the primarch pods and shake them until the crying stops.

>> No.48543531

>>48543501
>implied
>by the handful of vague quotes that dont really imply anything and are vague as fuck on purpose
sure thing

use common sense, russ lost every 'duel' that we know about. you know, all of the ones that arent just vague 1 liners.

>> No.48543537

>>48543334
>the dark codex astartes
Is that the 3.5E Chaos Codex?

>> No.48543571

>>48543454
"Turn his blade" isnt necessarily literal, YOU are making it into a literal expression but it could also be figurative, the point is Russ has no confirmed primarch kills just rumors and hearsay about it.

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Resin vehicles are the devil

>> No.48543697

>>48543502
Well, what can you expect when you're put against Angron or the Lion.
Hell, has the Lion ever lost a duel?

>> No.48543729

>>48543657
tell me more about your misadventures. I'm THIS close to buying a Sicaran but I fucking suck at building models. even the plastic ones.

>> No.48543737

>>48543011
Executioners have always been looked down upon in real history. A job fit for men of lower qualities and often having low social status. So the honorific for the Space Wolves is an insult.

>> No.48543747

>>48543729
The sicaran was OK

The Spartan, dreadclaw and fire raptor were all fucking nightmares

>> No.48543750

>>48543697

Well there was one time where a kid challenged him to some game called yugioh, but that is kind of hush hush

>> No.48543767

>>48543697
>Hell, has the Lion ever lost a duel?
curze clowned him a bunch of times

>> No.48543783

>>48543750
If the IW play 30k, then I could see the TS playing Yugioh with their egyptian magiks
>>48543767
Didn't he impaled Curze the first time and broke his back the second? He was indeed a pain in the ass for the Lion and his entire legion/plans, but I was talking about duels per se.

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>>48543783
Just forgive my redundant past tense. Baby steps after getting rid of the double negatives. Good thing I ain't using no double negatives no more :^)

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>>48543516
IKR. Russ' mere mention is as toxic as a chainblade on a one-handed shaft.

I used to root out for Perturabo (Angel Exterminatus woo) and Mortarion, but turns out superhuman minds are still subject to basic human weaknesses.

Now I kinda pity them from afar. Poor Morty, he became the very thing he hated.

>> No.48543897

>>48543783
curze fought him and girlyman at the same time and wouldve killed/seriously injured them both if they didnt use
>le convenient plothole magic
to escape

the lion wasnt really one of those 'scary duelist' primarchs. he was just some weird closeted dude nobody wanted to be around, who russ always tried to fight against and lost.

like if russ was actually tough he wouldve fucked the lion up/killed him. russ was basically all bark

>> No.48543964

What primarch is the best duelist

>> No.48543981

>>48543964
horus

>> No.48543991

Would Maloghurst Orbital Strike SoH army be viable? My plan is:

HQ: Maloghurst+Command Squad+Drop Pod
Troops: 10 Sniper Vet+8 C-weapons+2 H.Flamer+Drop Pod x6
Fast: Lightning+2 Kraken

>> No.48544023

>>48543897
True, but you can't contravene already established lore. The worst damage you can inflict onto a primarch is to leave him as a casualty (unconscious, broken back, etc), but never kill them.
>the lion wasnt really one of those 'scary duelist' primarchs
He got made Lord Protector, so I'm guessing he'd be better than Guilliman. Not saying that one was the best duellist, but the Lion is sucker punching everyone and such
And Roboute's rules are darn good, the Lion's must be good as well.

>> No.48544063

>>48544023
>The worst damage you can inflict onto a primarch is to leave him as a casualty (unconscious, broken back, etc), but never kill them.

So Ferrus is fine then guys...

>> No.48544101

>>48544023
>He got made Lord Protector
that was because of guilliman wanting his pocket empire to appear to not be his own doing. purely political move on guillimans part.
>so I'm guessing he'd be better than Guilliman.
doubtful, guilliman fought angron and was holding his own, he killed alpharius, wouldve killed lorgar, etc.

the 3 primarchs everybody was scared of fighting were horus, angron and sangy. but fulgrim ended up outdoing all of them

>> No.48544164

>>48544101
lion has autism powers so he's definitely better than guilliman

>fulgrim
>outdoing horus
technically speaking they're even on the bodycount. Guilliman did get shanked, but fulgrim was driven off by twenty good terminators before he could confirm the kill.

>> No.48544203

>>48544164
>lion has autism powers so he's definitely better than guilliman
guilliman has autism powers too.
>>48544164
>Guilliman did get shanked, but fulgrim was driven off by twenty good terminators before he could confirm the kill.
yeah hes not dead, he just lost the duel. the reason why fulgrim outdid horus is because he didnt die immediately afterwards.

>> No.48544234

Do EC with unwieldy weapons strike at I1 or I2 in challenges?

>> No.48544254

>>48544234
I1

>> No.48544255

>>48544234
+1 ini, then it gets reduced to I1 due to unwieldy

>> No.48544279

>>48544203
>guilliman has autism powers too.
yeah but those are the boring kind of autism powers, not the tard rage autism powers

>the reason why fulgrim outdid horus is because he didnt die immediately afterwards
Oh, fair enough. Being matched against the emperor has to count as a bit of a handicap though, right? Even with the whole friendship thing holding the emperor back, he's kind of dangerous.

>> No.48544491

>>48544279
i mean horus was probably the best duelist, but he only fought 1 primarch and sangy got totally punked so it questions if sangy was even trying/good.

like fulgrim killed ferrus (supposedly one of the toughest), beat girlyman (had a good dueling track record)

maybe angron was the best duelist: wouldve killed russ, sangy refused to even fight him, almost killed girlyman

basically angron and fulgrim are the only 2 that fought mutiple other primarchs and never even came close to losing

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Just how far from Terra was Cthonia?

>> No.48544592

>>48544063
The speedreading is strong on this one, enough to make him miss the part that says "can't contravene already established lore" as in "not even Horus would be able to kill Guilliman on a BL story, only Fulgrim will do it"
But don't worry, even Lorgar keeps forgetting Ferrus is dead.
>>48544101
Everybody could kill those two manlets.

>> No.48544674

>>48544491
>the only 2 that fought mutiple other primarchs and never even came close to losing
I'm sure all of them will be like that by the end of Black Library's series.

Except for vulkan, of course.

>> No.48544874

>>48544491
>sangy got totally punked so it questions if sangy was even trying/good.

Snaggy just got done fighting in a fucking war for days on end, without rest, and battling a fucking demon. Nigga was sleepy.

>> No.48544900

>>48544502
Close enough that it was already part of the imperium before Emps found Horus.

>> No.48544904

>>48544592
>Everybody could kill those two manlets.
yeah, but everybody wouldve also died against demon fulgrim/demon angron.

honestly guilliman was the best duelest the loyalists got (except maybe sangy), he killed alphameme. beat demon powered lorgar then immediately after fought against angron (mid apotheosis) and survived. he fought full demon fulgrim and survived and is 'slowly healing' or whatever meme.

like if russ or the lion faught full demon fulgrim, or turning into a demon angron (after immediately fighting demon lorgar) do you really think theyd survive? i dont.

the khan is the real wildcard. he could be the best loyalist duelist, but he never fights anybody so who knows.

>> No.48544932

>>48544904
He beat Mortarion.

>> No.48544975

>>48544932
yeah the khan was probably the best duelist they had.

>> No.48545034

>>48544932
Will Morty ever win something other than my pity?

>> No.48545038
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>>48544203
>>48544491
Horus was daemon-Horus by then, much more powerful than any primarch. Hell, he would've beat the Emperor if not for Sanguinius chipping his armor.

The Khan duels Mortarion in Scars - it doesn't finish, obviously, but Mortarion seemed to be getting the upper hand. They were in a confined space so that's no surprise; the Khan is like his legion and needs space to use his speed. He still thought he had a chance before the duel was interrupted.

But earlier he has a great conversation where he tells Fulgrim, in front of Sanguinius and Mortarion, that in a hypothetical fight between the two:
>You would lose because you would treat it like a game, like you treat everything, and I would not. You would lose because you know nothing of me, and I know everything of you because you shout it from the turrets of your battle cruisers. My prowess remains unknown. You have some reputation as a swordsman, brother, but I make no boast when I tell you I would leave you choking on it.

They then wonder about Jaghatai vs. Mortarion, and the Khan thinks to himself that Mortarion is also pretty unknown and mysterious.

>> No.48545048

>>48544904
>he killed alphameme

Did he? Eskrador may not have happened at all.

>> No.48545087

>>48545034
hes basically a jobber primarch like russ

>> No.48545100

>>48545087
oh and lorgar, lorgar is a jobber primarch and the WB are the jobber legion

>> No.48545327

Do you guys think any of the Primarchs ever visited the emps as he was on the throne? Like visiting your dying grandpa in the hospital?

>> No.48545437

>>48545327

I would not be surprised if Magnus went into the webway where the gate to Terra was and sat at the closed gate and tried to talk to the Emp

>> No.48545647

>>48545327
probably? Rogal set up the throne, so he had to have. Guilliman set up the entire administration of the Imperium, so he probably showed up too.

voolkan, corax, jaghati, russ and lion are debatable though. We don't really hear about them doing much besides fucking off into obscurity.

>> No.48545665

Made an 1850 list to play against people's 40k Bay Area Open armies since I'm living in California and that's the point level everybody loves. How badly will I get my shit pushed in with this list? Aside from Eldar Wraith lists and free Razorback Gladius things I mean.

Imperial Fists:

HQ
Sigismund, RoW = Armored Breakthrough 230

Troops
2 x Predator Tank, HB Sponsons, 190
5 x Templar Brethren, Combat Shields, Sgt with PF, Land Raider Transport, 430

Elite
10 x Sniper Vets, 2 x HBs, Vexilla, Sgt with AA/Fist, Rhino 270 pts
10 x Sniper Vets, 2 x HBs, Vexilla, Sgt with AA/Fist, Rhino 270 pts
2 x Contemptor-Cortus, Kheres Assault Cannon, 300 pts (built this way because I'm an idiot, should have made a single Mortis but thems the cards)

Heavy Support
1 x Vindicator, Machine Spirit, Dozer Blade, 150 pts

that's 1840. Note the lack of Knights.

>> No.48545745

>>48545665
slight addendum: I'm a retard and noticed in the new red book that a Dreadclaw can carry a Contemptor so I dropped one Cortus, upgraded the other to a regular one, and bought him a Dreadclaw so he can fist people turn two.

>> No.48545865

>>48545665
Question. Why Armored Breakthrough? Out of curiosity.

>> No.48545953

>>48545865
1) Pride of the Legion kinda sucks since you forfeit extra VPs over for losing your dudes and you can't even have an allied detachment
2) I have two predator tanks and I think they look really cool

>> No.48546018

>>48543697
>Hell, has the Lion ever lost a duel?
Luther on Caliban. Shortly before the planet blew up. Of arguable qualification because Lion was busy trying to not kill his best friend/brother while Luther was ODing on Chaos and trying to kill Lion.

>> No.48546041

>>48546018
still pretty bad to lose to what is basically just some old human dude with some chaos help. luther wasnt even a space marine and yet he put the lion in a coma

>> No.48546144

>>48546041
It kind of makes sense though, Lion's whole thing was being the slayer of big, difficult to kill, man-slaying monsters. With a skill set like that it's no wonder he's capable of slapping around other Primarchs and fitting that he falls to a juiced up mortal man.

>> No.48546162

>>48546144
its because luther was the loyalist.

the lion turned into the chaos monster and based luther kill him because he was pure of heart and spirit and the emperor gave him strength, luther killed the last monster on caliban. poetry

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>>48546162
That's wrong though, Anon.

>> No.48546201

>>48546189
yeah that happened when luther won

>> No.48546234

>>48546201
That there is also wrong.
>While Jonson and those Space Marines who had gone with him battled for humanity light years away, Luther's feelings of anger and jealousy had grown within him like a corrupting canker until they were his only purpose and driving motivation. Luther was now a man obsessed, whose own neuroses had pushed him over the edge and made him dangerous beyond imagining.
>The fury of Jonson and the loyal Dark Angels at learning this horrible information knew no bounds. They had fought from one end of the galaxy to the other and thought that the curse of Chaos had been cleansed from the planets of the Imperium, and now they found that their own home world, and their own brethren, had been corrupted and turned against them. Jonson immediately ordered an assault on the planet. >The massed guns of the fleet easily disabled Caliban's defence laser batteries and then scoured the planet, driving the rebel Dark Angels back to their fortress monasteries.
Knowing that one surgical strike was all that was needed to end the conflict Lion EI' Jonson led an assault on the greatest of the monasteries himself. He knew that this was where he would find Luther: and so it was that there the two former friends, now mortal enemies, faced each other. Even though the Primarch possessed superhuman powers, the two opponents were equally matched, for Luther's own, already considerable abilities, had been enhanced by the dark gods of Chaos.

>> No.48546270

>>48546234
>believing what the (((dark angels))) tell you to believe

>> No.48546277
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>>48546234
As the planet itself started to break apart, the battle between Jonson and Luther reached its climax. Luther, weakened by the long combat, staggered and fell, leaving himself open to a death blow from Jonson's power sword. But Jonson could not bring himself to strike the fatal blow. As he hesitated, Luther, aided by the powers of Chaos, unleashed a furious psychic attack that knocked Jonson to his knees and left him mortally wounded. But as the dying Primarch struggled to stand, his noble features wracked with pain, it was as if a curtain was lifted from Luther's eyes and he realised the full extent of what he had done. His was a triple betrayal: of his friend, of the Dark Angels, and of the Emperor. The truth shattered his sanity and he slumped down beside Jonson, no longer willing to fight.
Luther's psychic cry of pain and despair echoed through the warp and the Chaos gods realised that, once again, they had been defeated. They lashed out in fury and frustration. A rent appeared in the very fabric of space and a warp storm of unprecedented fury engulfed Cali ban. In an uncontrollable, swirling flood of psychic energy the warp rushed into the physical universe. Those 'fallen' Dark Angels who had served under Luther and his clandestine masters were sucked from the face of Caliban into the warp and scattered throughout space and time. Caliban, already weakened by the loyal Dark Angels' bombardment, was ripped apart and destroyed, the debris being sucked into the warp.

>> No.48546284

Did any of the primarchs ever give anyone the D?

Are the Sensei still a thing?

>> No.48546307

>>48546270
It's the truth though. What are we to believe the word of a whiny jobber named Merir Astelan? Yeah no.
>>48546284
Horus raped Fulgrim in older lore. As for the Sensei they weren't always the children of the Emperor. They were grandchildren or so on.

>> No.48546352

>>48543747
have you ever built a Caestus Assault Ram? Spartans seem boring as fuck. If I'm going to spend 200 bucks on resin I want a flying space barge.

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>>48546307
I'm upset that BL got rid of the date rape. Didn't they reference in one story where Fulgrim gets violated with metal rods by Fabius and Lucius trying to get the daemon out of him? What is worse /hhg/: being violated by your own children or your brother?

>> No.48546368

>>48546234
This, Isstvan 3, and Terra; Just blow the goddamn planet off morons! Like fucking exterminatus never exist in 30k

>> No.48546375

>>48546284
>Did any of the primarchs ever give anyone the D?
fulgrim took the D, from everybody that he could. girlyman gave his mom the D. khan was a serial rapist, most likely so was vulkan, curze gave dead bodies the D, so did mortarion, sanguinius had a wife, horus gave sanguinius the D.

the only primarchs that we know 100% didnt get any were perturabo, lorgar, and mangus. for obvious reasons

>> No.48546413

>>48546368
Anon, Horus was going to blast Angron to pieces but Erebus convinced him not to. As for Terra that's the birthplace of humanity, and Horus wanted to rule humanity.

>> No.48546560

>>48546352
just glancing at the parts it's probably less of a pain to assemble than the spartan and fire raptor (less long, straight panels), but I don't particularly care for the model itself

>> No.48546584

>>48546375
>Implying Lorgar didn't declare for chaos in order to suck all that Daemon dick

>> No.48546610
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>>48546413
I like my steaks like my treacheries:

WELL

DONE
O
N
E

>> No.48546614

>>48546584
i believe it

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>>48546358
>What is worse /hhg/: being violated by your own children or your brother?
Yes.
Rape your mother, and be raped by your kid, who will be both your son AND your brother :^)
There, solved it.
Do I gain +1 on duels now, papa Fulgrim?

>> No.48546685
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>>48546610
>It is well done!

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>>48546685
>"Have you considered that the easiest way to solve this problem would be to join me, brother? :^^^)"

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>>48546717
I'm going to throttle the life out of that shell called a body, you little brain dead axe humping animal.

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>>48546750
You know you want to come with us :^)
A little axe
A little humping
You...me...our children's corpses... think about it.

>> No.48546808
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>>48546750
sssss... you cant.... ssssss... we needsss him for ourssss planssssss...

>> No.48546826
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>>48546803
>>48546808
My only regret is that this war didn't leave you peons with a worse codex.

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>>48546826
"Deader than Horus", though.

>> No.48546851

>>48546375
When did Sanguinius have a wife? Sauce?

>> No.48546869

>>48546851
its a meme

>> No.48546899

>>48546826
> Severed heads, heads everywhere
> fucking bloodstain on my fur
> rotting flesh, smells awful, can't focus
> goddamn it flies and maggots fuck
> who the fuck thought this is a good idea

>> No.48546904
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>>48546848
Who got off easy and who still has to fight for the eight pointed star? Tell Abbadon he needs to let his topknot down some for me.

>> No.48546905
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>>48546869
They say it was back in 2e or something, but no one really knows for sure or seen the pic.
Finding that wife would be like finding a STC fragment of lore.

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>>48546899
Chaos man. If Chaos knew what it was doing especially with fashion, maybe it wouldn't be Chaos. Strangely enough those served heads seem to be a constant in Horus's art.

>> No.48546959
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>>48546904
>Obliterated from existance by a dead man who happened to have been pulling his punches the entire time
>Got off easy
>Fighting is a chore
You need to cheer up, my man. Send Malal my regards while you are in oblivion

>> No.48546975
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>>48546899
>> who the fuck thought this is a good idea
Curze did.

>> No.48546987
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>>48546959
In comparison to this? Nothing but Khorne and Khorne, a little Nurgle, and who guess what more Khorne releases? Yeah I think I'll stay here with Old One Eye, the Squats, Marbo, and Malal.

>> No.48547067

>>48546352
it was pretty bad, but i had a fake one

Of all the resin vehicles ive buily, in order of fuckiness, its

kill krusha>dreadclaw>fire raptor>caestus>spartan>malcador infernus>sicaran

>> No.48547103

>>48547082
New thread boys. I think I need sleep.

>> No.48547128

>>48546987
I was kidding mang.
These new blueberry guys showed up. Lots of shooty lasers, but puny in close combat; they even have a "place axe here" mark in their head!
And those dumb bugs swarmed all the place over and drank worlds dry -- dry worlds don't bleed, you know?
And that boy of yours keeps losing his arms.

You're missed here, buddy. Those imperialfags wouldn't know what hit them.

>> No.48547163

>>48547128
What happened to the jetbikes?

>> No.48547250

>>48547163
->
>>48547212

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