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“How'd you get burned, anyway?”

You look down at the young man who's carefully re-wrapping your arms loosely with gauze, the fresh coat of antiseptic ointment still cool on your skin. You fix the poor orderly with a cold, flat stare.

“I hugged the flaming ghost-corpse of my dead Executive Officer in a nightmare.”

The young man pauses mid-wrapping, his face splitting into a grin. “Duuude, SPOOKY!” His tone rings with frank approval.

Despite everything, you can't help but laugh. “Yeah, I suppose so.”

The nurse finishes wrapping your arms. “Okay, move about.” You oblige. “Yeah, that should stay for today.” He tidies up as you shrug your khaki shirt back on, relieved to find your shirtsleeves are no longer rubbing your tender, reddened skin too much. “Your chart says you're on Vicodin. You take that yet today?”

You nod - after spending the night duct-taped to a folding table in the CIC, you were in no shape to forgo them. “I'll get used to it in a few days, I guess.”

“Should clear up in a week,” the nurse assures you. He claps you on the shoulder, and hustles off - you've no doubt he's got his hands full. The C-5 that returned your girls from Java also bore some of the worst-injured men from the second battle of Sunda Strait; some were sent directly to the best hospitals in Japan via helicopter airlift, and some ended up here. Your sleep - if you could call it that - came late, after an hour or so of sniggering, snarling and muttered maledictions as Goto wrapped up the battle in your stead, managing the retreat.

>> No.46207846

After waking up and hoarsely demanding that someone cut you loose from the goddamn table, you'd had just enough time to hit your apartment for painkillers, a bananna and a fresh outfit before racing to Yokota to meet the incoming C-5. Stretcher after stretcher had been borne out first, quiet, sedated men swaddled in gauze being rushed to waiting choppers. Then had come your warriors, quiet and withdrawn, and lastly, lurking in the shadowed back of the cavernous aircraft, huddled over her silent charge...

Naka.

Your phone buzzes insistently. Slipping it from your pocket, you see Goto's name flashing at the top of the screen, followed by his missive -

“HELP.”

You contemplate that thoughtfully, then type out an interrogative.

“Kongou or Essex?”

Bzzzzz. “YES.”

You chuckle despite yourself.

[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER
[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.
[ ] Do something else entirely. [Write-in.]

>> No.46207895

>>46207846
>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

Oh god, what fresh hell is this? Better stop the meme-boat from causing another international incident.

>> No.46207902

>>46207846
Hmmmmm...

Let's go for FULL MEDICAL HORROR.

>[X] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46207909

>>46207838
>>46207846
Wait. Burns. Wat? I am too tired for this puzzle.

>> No.46207911

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46207915

>>46207846
>[x] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER
Goto is our bro. Bros before hoes.

>> No.46207938

I want to meet Essex finally. It's been too long.

>> No.46207940

>>46207846
>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>> No.46207943

>>46207846
>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER
I wanted to get straight to the body horror shit, but the LotR reference is too nice to pass up.

>> No.46207945

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.
He's a big boy.

>> No.46207948

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.
>Tell him to sic Kaga on her, and start a betting pool.
We can't leave Naka without supervision, and we sure as fuck can't skip out on our wounded. Not after Arizona and Kongou and Naka.
>>46207838
>The psychic attack actually burned us
That is pretty spooky

>> No.46207951

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

We must check in with our chuunibotes!

>> No.46207952

>>46207846
>[x] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

Let's get the worst over with (inb4 Planefag has something even worse because he's thirsty)

>> No.46207959

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46207964

[X] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>> No.46207970

>>46207846
>[X] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>“Kongou or Essex?”
>Bzzzzz. “YES.”
What's worse than one hyperactive capital shipgirl? Two of them.

>> No.46207973

>>46207846
[x] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

Goto can take care of himself, or better learn to because we aren't his Kongo-wrangler.

>> No.46207976

>>46207838
>18:58:13

PLANEFAG WAS EARLY

THE END IS NIGH

>> No.46207978

>People not voting to see Goto
Our cute chuunibotes will still be there in the hospital, dock, or whatever.

The funnies with Essex and Kongou might not.

>>46207948
>That is pretty spooky
Well at least we have proof that Settle is not JUST crazy, but is haunted too.

>> No.46207979

>>46207909
>The abyssal screams in reply, and suddenly a vision is blooming before your eyes - the face of your XO, his flesh on fire, eyeballs melting from his sockets as he reaches his melting hands for you, fat sizzling and popping as he burns and burns and burns.
>You reach out and grab his shoulders, pulling him closer, feeling the flames bite your hands and sear your body as they begin to cook you alive. You hug the monstrosity to your chest, even as it bites into your shoulder and begins to *chew.*

>> No.46207983

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46207988

>>46207846
>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER
So is Kongo three times as Admiral-Sexual as Kongo, because then she truly would be the weapon to surpass the Dess.

>> No.46207989

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.
>[ ] Do something else entirely. [Write-in.]
Text back "I'll be there in 60, tops," plus a URL for trollface.jpg

>> No.46208007

>>46207846

[X] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

As wise as it might be to go to Goto and stop Essex from hurling more fecal matter at a wind projection device, the wounded are more of a pressing matter at hand.

>Bring DesDiv6 with you.

>> No.46208008

>>46207988
Essex, I meant Essex. I'm taking a test at the same time as this.

>> No.46208024

>>46207846
>[X] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>> No.46208025

>>46207846
>[X] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>> No.46208026

>>46207846
>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER
As much as I love cunnibotes, let's get some Membote action going on here.

>> No.46208028

>>46207952
Oh, don't worry, it's only going DOWN from here.

>> No.46208035

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208037

I really want to do the fun thing, but we have more important shit to deal with.

[X] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208041

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208053

>>46207846
>[X] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208054

>>46207846
[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208057

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.
I need to turn this into an actual 'the most exciting time of the day has come' image

>> No.46208063

YOUR NEW NAKA

>> No.46208066

>>46207978
>Essex
>Funny

That and people want to get the painful stuff over with before the fun.

>> No.46208068

>>46207846
>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

IT'S BULLYING TIME

>> No.46208071

>>46207846
>[X] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

FOR GONDOR... Errr.. I mean... Goto?

>> No.46208075

>>46207945
For you.

>> No.46208076

>>46207846
>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

Tempted as I am by option 2, Gotos done right by us. Go bail him out.

>> No.46208084

>>46207846
>[x] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>> No.46208091

>>46207846
>[x] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208092

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4f65bsPdn4

>> No.46208094

>>46208063
Harder is almost certain to approve her... "guns" having been upgraded.

>> No.46208111

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.
>>46207978
I don't want 'funnies' right now tho, I want to watch the cost of everything we pulled off.

>> No.46208120 [DELETED] 

>>46208094
[/spoiler]More like her fuel tanks have been upgraded.[/spoiler]

>> No.46208121

>>46207846
>[X] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208125

>>46207846
>[X] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER
We slightly owe him for wrapping up the battle.

>> No.46208126

>>46208094
I don't think so; not sure how he'd feel with everything's that happened. But not everyone is fixated on that matter.

>> No.46208129

>>46207979
Ah. I missed that last thread.

>> No.46208136

>>46207846
>[X] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>> No.46208142

>>46208092
Lexington was fucking massive, Jesus Christ.

>> No.46208149

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208151

>>46207846
[ X ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

Will there even be a Goto to visit later if we leave him at their mercy?

>> No.46208161

>>46207846
>[X] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>> No.46208166

>taking real soldiers/sailors anywhere in KanColle
Boatsluts on the water.
Fairies in the air.
And now, fairies on the land.

The age of men is over. Embrace the age of cute.

P.S. Land bases 'soon'

>> No.46208173

[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208181

>>46208142
Battle cruiser hull. Not a lot of hangar space though.

>> No.46208182

>>46207846
>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>> No.46208184

>>46208111
Well, okay, but last time we ignored what looked like funnies for something serious, it turned out that the PT boats are mutinous little shits that traumatized Shigure and really were being a menace to personnel on the base.

It's quite possible that both options are serious options, and we're just choosing what blows up and bites us in the ass.

>> No.46208217

>>46208126
Well he didn't freak out when she rescued him, so I'm thinking he's just gonna roll with it. Like Settle said, he had to chose to jump in or not before the battle, and it looks like he jumped in head first.

>> No.46208235

>>46208184
Sure, it's possible. But checking up on wounded shipgirls is a hell of a lot more consistent with what Settle's done throughout the quest than diverting the dess train, on top of me thinking it's the right thing to do.

>> No.46208251

>>46207976

>> No.46208252

>>46207846
[X] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208257

>>46207846
>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

>> No.46208264

>>46208181
I wonder, did anybody float the idea of keeping the massive guns and just bolting the flight deck over the cannons?

>> No.46208274

>>46208184
This is the beginning of the real shitstorm, anon.

This is where dreams die and hope fails.

>>46208251
See?

This is Sauron laughing as Numenor fell.

>> No.46208277

>>46208235
I'm not so sure. Goto specifically asked for help, and we've noticed that he's starting to crack under the strain of managing his girls.

Following up on a direct request for help seems like the right thing to do, at least right this second. We can check on the chunnibotes later. (whoever's attending to them is probably busy at the moment. Wouldn't want to get in the way)

>> No.46208291

>>46208264
Tests on one of the earliest Aircraft carrier conversions, Furious, proved that to be a really dumb idea very early on.

>> No.46208314

>>46208181
>not a lot of Hangar space

Largest internal hangars in the world for nearly 15 years.

>> No.46208320

>>46208184
Speaking of which, did that gardener get out okay, or did the PT-corgis tear him apart? Last we saw of him, he was hauling ass in a riding lawnmower, which doesn't bode well for his survival.
>>46208291
I thought as much. Let me guess, the recoil?

(Not to mention the concept of a wet-navy 'battlecarrier' is... hilarious, at best.)

>> No.46208327

>>46208291
Yes, but how do we know it's still a really dumb idea vary LATE on?

>> No.46208331

>>46208264
That's a bad idea on so many levels, anon.

>> No.46208338

Kk, votes called, writing~

>> No.46208353

>>46208320
>I thought as much. Let me guess, the recoil?
More the muzzle blast.

Plus, you're taking a ship that's loaded to the gills with very explosive av-gas and av-ordy and making it sail around where it'll get shot at.

This kills the ship.

>> No.46208377

>2016
>still no Fat Stack

>> No.46208380

>>46208320
More like there was no practical arc of fire; the gun couldn't elevate usefully and supports and structure got in the way.

When the Lexingtons tried having 8" turrets on top of the flight deck, blast effects from firing anywhere near the direction of the deck proved... unpleasant.

>> No.46208384

You know, guys. Damage like this might take the chunniboat sisters a while to repair. And their obsolete as hell. Of all the ships here, only the Kongous are of equal vintage, but the IJN apparently didn't consider cruisers to be as "sexy" as battleships, so the Kongous got the upgrades while Tenryuu and Tatsuya were left to fall behind more and more.

But the two of them are going to be in dock for quite a while, with damage this bad. Time enough to experiment.

Can we give a pair of obsolete kanmusu cruisers the modernizations that history denied their steel hull existences?

>> No.46208386

>>46208320
Actually, turbulence from the gasses emitted by the gun when it goes off. Makes it very miserable to land or take off. It was pretty much established that if you want to seriously do airpower at sea and have gunpower as well, you needed specialized ships for it, you couldn't just slap a flight deck onto a ship with big guns.

>> No.46208406

>>46208384
Yeah, like replacing their shitty swords with superior hatchets.

>> No.46208420

>>46208384
Problem is that they are so small we can't do much to them unless we utterly rebuild them from the keel up.

And how the hell do you do that?

>> No.46208435

>> No.46208448

>>46208384
You can't really do much in the way of modernization with a hull that small. Basically you can just ad more AA guns.

>>46208380
The blast effect of the 8" guns firing across the deck was negligible and caused no damage to aircraft parked on the deck, as long as they weren't directly in front of the guns.

>> No.46208461

I know you guys are all eager beavers to see how fucked up the chuunibotes are, and to start getting all "share the misery" with them, but really, are you all expecting them to be happy to see Settle? Not to mention the fact that, y'know, both of them are probably in critical condition and don't need to be bothered by us on our constant quest to SAVE ALL DA SHIPGIRLS. And yes, I am aware it is too late to be saying this.

>> No.46208472

>>46208448
We can't give them better AA guns?

>> No.46208476

>>46207838

>[ ] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

I don't care if i'm late.

>> No.46208477

>>46208420
Well Yuudachi summoned her hull, so if we can get the chuuni's to as well (assuming their even conscious and in any condition to even move a pinky) we could do a refit them eventually.

>> No.46208490

>>46208448
Someone on the KC wikia mentioned there was a plan to add more AAs to them.

>> No.46208503

>>46208264
...

Bu-Ords, is that you?

>> No.46208506

>>46208420
Eh, there *are* things you can do even within the scope of their older technology.
Put in new Dynamos and you can replace their Type 96 mounts with Phalanx, for example.

>> No.46208513

>>46208472
>>46208490
>Basically you can just add more AA guns.

>> No.46208528

>>46207846
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

>> No.46208542

>> No.46208550

>>46208448
>Hurrr durr damage to aircraft
That's not what I'm talking about. We've had this shitfight before.

Large guns firing while aircraft operations are taking place produces fuckloads of turbulence from all the blast gases in the air. It's why the 8" battery got swapped for 5" DPs, in addition to the AA increase.

>> No.46208581

>>46208461
That's part of the fun.

And Goto, no matter how much of a good guy he's been, is no Denethor or Faramir.

>> No.46208586

>>46208513
If you really wanted to you could probably swap their torpedoes for Harpoons or some shit.

>> No.46208602

>>46208506
The Phalanx isn't that good for a sustained air assault. Shots it self empty in the first minute then it's down anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes to reload.

>> No.46208627

>>46208602
Still better than the Type96.

>> No.46208632

And I finally managed to catch one of these threads live, good timing.

>>46208063
That's a good look for her. Also:

>[X] GOTO CALLS FOR AID, AND RADM. WILL ANSWER

First, tell Naka that we're proud of her and that she's still on our side, no matter what she looks like now.
When we get to Goto we should reign Kongou and Essex in by whatever means necessary, then hightail it to the Chuunibotes.

When we get to THEM, we inform them that Yuudaichi managed to manifest her full-sized hull, and that when they do the same they're in for some serious upgrades.

>> No.46208647

>>46208542

What the fuck hapened to poor Iowa's boobs?

>> No.46208648

>>46208586
Well, we could also add a smallish scouting drone launch and retrieval system to them as well, to add to their observation options.

>> No.46208656

>>46208602
Doesn't need to be phalanx. Could just give them Bofors 40mms.

>> No.46208679

>>46208656
Give them the 76mm guns with proximity fuses.

>> No.46208682

If we're investigating refits to the chuunis, and AA is the only real option, I think it's worth considering twin 20mm Oerlikons and the 3"/50 single and double mount.

Easily done on WW2 ships, and superior to any other WW2 AA.

>> No.46208684

>>46208647
Squishy squishy.

>> No.46208695

>>46208490
>From 1935-1936, plans were considered to convert the class into a dedicated anti-aircraft / anti-submarine platforms, using eight 127 mm guns in dual turrets, eight 25-mm guns, and four depth charge launchers with 36 depth charges. The redesign would also have involved combining the smokestacks into a single stack. Funding was approved for fiscal 1937, but the plan was cancelled due to an overload in the capacity of Japanese shipyards. The plan was floated again in 1938-1939 using eight 76.3 mm guns, but eventually abandoned in favor of the Akizuki-class destroyers.

>> No.46208707

>>46208627
Eyeah for the first minute. Where you may shot down three planes cause honestly when has those things WORK in an actual combat eviroment? I believe never.

Anyways after said minute it become worst then the 23 since it's doing nothing.

>> No.46208715

>>46208506

Heck, considering Tatsuta's boilers are somewhere in pieces at the bottom of Sunda Straits and her whole engine room is open to daylight, might be doable to drop some diesels in there. (Those are most likely too large.)

>> No.46208722

>>46208679
Eh, might be difficult. I think the 3" guns would make the whole top heavy issue worse

>> No.46208728

>>46208684

Bullshit. That's just unnatural.

Also, for the Chuuniboats, don't forget:

'MURICA RADAR STRONK!

>> No.46208733

The reason why you can't just put a flight deck on top of big gun turrets is because the turrets would have no arc of fire, couldn't elevate, and they would get in the way of the superstructure (aka, the flight deck)...plus, you know, you'd have no room for a hangar.

Also, if your fleet carrier is in a situation where it actually has any use for big guns, you're doing it wrong. Carriers are long-range weapon platforms, with the speed to outrun basically everything. It's far more efficient to have a heavy cruiser or fast battleship as an escort and dedicate a fleet carrier's design entirely to carrier operations. Not having big guns also means you can design a ship that doesn't need the heavy, sturdy hull to withstand the massive recoil of the guns, which means you can make the ship faster and carry more planes.

>> No.46208753

>>46208707
Except the Type96 does nothing the entire time.

And I think you're vastly underestimating the Phalanx's capabilities given that it's last real combat stuffup was nearly 30 years ago and has since had a lot of incremental upgrades in FCS and ammo management.

I mean, you could put in a SeaRAM instead, I guess..

>> No.46208772

>> No.46208775

>>46208477
As I said on a different site:
>Wouldn't that have rather unfortunate consequences for the chunniboat and her sister themselves? Their own bodies would likely still be shot to shit, only now no longer on supernatural life support. Not a fair image, that.

>> No.46208787

>>46208550
The thing is, you probably WON'T be launching aircraft when the guns are firing. The Guns were there because CV's were seen initially as being able to operate alone, and needed a way to defend themselves should an enemy cruiser ambush them during the night/in poor weather.

The guns are there for times when you can't/aren't launching planes.

The 8" guns were removed because we realized that CV's wouldn't be operating alone, and that the escorts with them could handle any surface aggressors. Not to mention that the 5"/38 was not widely available when the Lexington's were built. Just the 5"/25, which was entirely inadequate for even a carriers self-defense purposes.

The 5"/38's were put in when they became available and it was clear that planes were a larger threat than ships.

>> No.46208795

>>46208722
Replace the main battery with them and it's fine.

US AP probably means they're still better guns than the 14cm/50s

>> No.46208820

>>46208787
>The thing is, you probably WON'T be launching aircraft when the guns are firing.
EXACTLY

That's the whole fucking point. Why are you wasting your breath agreeing with me only to couch it as an argument? Are you retarded?

>> No.46208847

Hopefully, whatever unspeakable damage was done to Tatsuta, horrible and tragic though it certainly was, will finally kill the "TENNO HEIKA BANZAI! DECISIVE BATTLE!" in the Japanese shipgirls.

>> No.46208850

>>46208795
No...not even close. Its a 3" shell compared to a 5.5" shell.

>> No.46208862

>>46208775
Well Yuudachi was able to move around while her hull was there, so maybe just have the chuuni's on whatever life-support rigs or medical assistance they need but keep them next to the drydocks during the attempt.

Might not work, but it might be worth a try.

>> No.46208874

Or y'know, maybe Dignitas for shipgirls.

>> No.46208888

>>46208850
A 5.5" shell designed during WW1.

I don't think you realise just how bad IJN shell and gun design and materials were compared to USN stuff. It's a straight upgrade in most aspects even with the reduction in sheer calibre.

>> No.46208898

>>46208277
Yes, brass not getting in the way is crucial to shit getting done.

We should also help Goto because once he's no longer tied up he could help us with Naka, Tenryuu, and Tatsuta.

>>46208406
By the time Crab and co. are done, I expect Tatsuta to be pulling off .webm related.

>> No.46208905

>>46208874
That's just silly.

What would the Japanese know of Roman values?

>> No.46208911

>>46208753
And you understating the 23s since they did actually shot stuff down in the war.

And the few times the Phalanx has had a chance to shot things in actual combat, it fails to deliver.

My theory is that since the navy doesn't thing that things can turn they don't think to test them against a target that is jinxing all over the sky. If the target coming straight it wil, maybe, kill it. If the target is flying like Young from SWQ, good luck.

Plus they only shot at things coming towards the ship that they computer say will hit the ship. You can see the problem.

>> No.46208920

Every thread.

>> No.46208934

>>46208820
You misunderstood. You won't be firing the guns when you're launching planes, because the only time you're firing guns is when you CAN'T launch planes.

EG in the 1930's:

>during bad weather
>at night
>flight deck has been disabled somehow (bombs, gunfire)

>> No.46208964

>>46208874
Well that's kinda what scuttling was if you think about it, and given how many ships ended up scuttled during the war...

>> No.46209021

>>46208862
Tatsuta would need a full iron lung, and even then its iffy as to her survival.

If the bridge corresponds to a shipgirl's head, then the boilers would likely be the heart. Tatsuta's boilers are outright GONE, her engineering compartments reduced to a gaping hole. I shudder to think what that translates to in human body damage.

Tenryuu might be better off, though not by much.

>> No.46209051

>>46208920

>> No.46209052

>>46208911
First, there's no such thing as this 23/26 you keep talking about. It's a Type 96 25mm gun. Get your shit right if you're going to argue.

Second, the Type 96s shot down shit during the war because there was an actual goddamn war on, not police actions or curbstomps against technologically primitive opponents. It's had like one chance to do anything at all in practice.

Also your theory is shit and displays base ignorance of how the Phalanx actually goddamn works, as well as the fact that it's been extensively upgraded over it's service life.

You, sir, are a flaming idiot.

>> No.46209053

>>46208934
You could engineer some unholy abomination for you super-niche problem, or you could build an aircraft carrier AND a battleship for probably the same cost and just have them sail together. Dumbass

>> No.46209057

>>46208722
The 3"/50s were meant to replace a Bofors twin mount. Granted, they weighed twice as much, but they were four times as effective and had much greater range.There were also twin-3"/50 mounts to replace quad-Bofors mounts. So, it's conceivable that you could replace one of the chuuniboat's 6" guns with a twin-3"/50 mount, then mount another single-gun 3"/50 (or some Bofors 40mm, if need be) with the extra weight left over. Also, radar.

As for being top-heavy, well, I imagine replacing the engines or boilers with something more modern might help. Stick some modern power generators and damage control equipment in there. But are you sure Tenryu and Tatsuta were actually top-heavy?

>> No.46209070

>>46208934
Yeah, Nah. You misunderstood.

>> No.46209071

>>46209021

Well, at least that means there'd be plenty of pre-existing room to work with when making upgrades.

>> No.46209072

>>46209021
2 gone. 1 was blown out not up.

>> No.46209081

>>46209052
I work on the army version that is the same Exact thing but on a trailer.

>> No.46209093

>>46208647
Boobs that big are gonna squish.

>> No.46209105

>>46209021

Hey fuck you yeah? theyll be fucking fine. finest meddical care in the fucking world

>> No.46209121

>>46209053
Or just do what the Americans did and put some normal 8" turrets on to chase off marauding destroyers.

>> No.46209122

>>46209081

>Exact same thing
Nope. Not even close.

Even that being said, even the Army's version has had *extensive* improvements in FCS and target logic over the last ~25 years or so, so yeah, you're still wrong.

>> No.46209140

>>46209105
You mean Mr. Crab?

>> No.46209145

>>46209021
First: WHY IS THAT SHIP SPLIT OPEN

Second: Humans can't be revived if you replace their heart after a hole was blown in their chest. Ships can, provided you get them to a drydock, though it will surely be damn expensive.

>> No.46209153

>>46209121
Except even the Americans decided that was a dumb idea and got rid of them pre-war.

>> No.46209164

>>46207838
Lewd ideas for this week:
1. Arizona and Shokaku eat hamburgers
2. Shimakaze gets oiled up
3. Kongou reads a doujin

>> No.46209179

>>46208888
>A 5.5" shell designed during WW1.
You do realize the 3" AP was also developed during WWI? Also, that shell is 13 lbs., compared to the 14cm's 84 lbs. HE shell. What the hell is that 3" shell going to penetrate?

inb4 "muh Mark 22 shell made in the 50s"

>> No.46209187

>>46209145
>First: WHY IS THAT SHIP SPLIT OPEN
Because it got hit by a Harpoon missile.

>> No.46209191

>>46208063
hipster

>> No.46209197

>>46209105
OH GOD HATE HAS BECOME A CAR oh wait, that's "Hate Mobile," not "Hatemobile." Never mind.

>> No.46209207

>>46209187
Then yeah, give the Chuunibotes those.

>> No.46209208

>>46208874
>Dignitoss

Please. They haven't jobbed NEARLY enough fights to be Dig.

>> No.46209211

>>46209121
5" guns are capable of fighting destroyers, but they don't require a turret to mount them. Thing is, it just makes more sense to have some destroyers and/or cruisers to escort your carrier and devote the space/weight saved on the carrier to more hangar space, speed, or armor.

>> No.46209232

>>46209197
>hatemobile

Quick Harder! To the Hatemobile!

>slides downt the Hatepole to the Hatecave

>> No.46209235

>>46209071
Sure, regarding the ship. Too bad the woman will likely die, due to being taken off spooky shipgirl life support. In which case we now have a bog-standard oversized destroyer sitting in our drydock, which we could probably hand over to the Malaysians as a replacement for Kasturi and Lekir.
>>46209072
Still, point remains - their heart-analogue has been shot past shit. Taking the ship aspect away from them ala summoning their hull... well, what is left behind probably won't be pretty.
>>46209105
I'll hold you to that, Lieutenant.
>>46209145
1) Missiles hurt... if they hit.
2) See above.

>> No.46209248

>>46209122
Not really. Trust me I'm the fucker who has to maintain them. One of my friends worked on both. And is actually the part of the team who makes the upgrades for them. He says that for all they did was change a few line of code to track thing the size of shells.

>> No.46209252

>>46209105
I hope so. Tenryuu and I will need it. Even typing this out hurts.

>> No.46209257

>>46208384
>light cruisers
>long dock time

NIGGA PLEASE

>> No.46209263

>>46209051
>Somebody else is posting the reply, with the right filename
This feels weird

>> No.46209299

>>46209179
Naka

>> No.46209302

>>46209263
At least it's not orbitfag, right?
>>46209252
You're not typing, ma'am. It's a direct mental link with the computer. You only think you're typing.

>> No.46209317

>>46209235
Yuudachi still demonstrated the superhuman ship aspects in her girl while her ship was summoned. She was leaping like fucking spiderman. It's not a stretch to think that the girl part of them can still have the dual existence when they have a hull out instead of rigging

>> No.46209324

>>46209257
Will Settle fill up buckets for them?

>> No.46209336

>>46209179
You're thinking of a different 3" gun if you think that.

Also Japanese AP shells were so shit it's a miracle they ever penetrated anything at all.

>> No.46209338

>>46209252
Here's your (you), faggot.

>>46209302
>Giving him a serious response

>> No.46209358

>>46209257
>Iowa has twelve inches of armor over her flag bridge
Ha

>> No.46209371

>>46209324
They'll have to wring it out of him.

>> No.46209390

>>46209248
Then he's either blowing giant holes in OPSEC or lying.

And frankly I'm not terribly inclined to take the word of some guy on the interwebs over most every published report on the things since the gulf war, thanks.

>> No.46209395

>> No.46209401

>>46209371
And which DD is that, Crix?

>> No.46209423

>>46209252
>uninvited nameposting as a character

>> No.46209426

After a moment's contemplation you type your reply.

“After the tragedy, they send in the clowns.” You tap 'send' and lurch out of your chair to pay your wounded warriors a visit. Your phone keeps buzzing busily in your pocket as you drag yourself down the hall to the monitoring desk. Two nurses are busily chatting about something.

“So I walk in and he's hiding under the sheets,” a short-haired brunette in scrubs is relaying to a tired-looking chap grimacing at his Styrofoam cup of cold coffee. “Like I can't see who's name is on the chart. So-” they turn as they sense your approach, clamming up quickly. “Hey, Admiral. Can we help you?”

“I was looking for Tenryuu and Tatsuta,” you ask. “I know they got hurt pretty bad-”

The woman raises a hand to cut you off. “Admiral... it's pretty bad.”

You nod. “I know.”

“With all due respect... I'm not sure you do, sir.”

“I spent six weeks in the same ICU as most of the wounded from Higgins,” you point out quietly. “Those two were my responsibility. I can't... do that to them, and then just walk away from the consequences.”

She nods sadly, as if she'd been expecting that answer. “Downstairs in intensive care. Room 221.”

>> No.46209430

>>46209401
Arashio

>> No.46209443

Huh, it' the day after the operation and Settle is okay?

You will think he'll be put under observation for a few days at least after all that shit.

>> No.46209446

You thank them and trudge to the elevator - your injured thigh is always stiff in the morning, till you can get the blood flowing and limber up the injured muscle a bit. Between the cranky bone-deep ache and the scent of antiseptic in the air, the memories of your own long hospital stay are coming back. Long hours of staring at the ceiling, too well drugged to find much interest in the TV or even focus your eyes on a book for too long. Long weeks with nothing to do but relive the final hours of USS Higgins. Days of searching your scattered and drug-confused mind for the missing memories; the last breaths took by your XO, the man who really won the battle - your right arm for so many years. And endless nightmares manufactured by your mind to fill in the gap; exploring every ghastly fate he could have, *must* have met.

In the privacy of the elevator, there's no need to hold back a shiver.

You don't much like hospitals.

Nobody does.

The second floor is hushed; quiet and tired-looking nurses making their rounds with hardly a glance in your direction. You find the room and gently open the door to a darkened room.

A familiar subdued whirr-hiss spreads queasiness through your gut like an oil slick, black and poisonous. Tatsuta lies silently on the bed, the bare skin over her upper-right chest wrinkled by a layer of glued-on plastic, forming a seal around a plastic tube that seems embedded in her body.

>> No.46209452

>>46209302
So that is what that little wire they stuck into me is for. Amazing.

>> No.46209453

>>46209390
And there's you problem. The publish report. How much of that shit you really think is true?

Hint these companies are greedy ass fucks who need to several agencies to have a good look into them, cause the stories I could tell.

>> No.46209472

Hate is sitting with his back to the drawn curtains, at the end of a couch built as a window-seat. Tenryuu is lying sprawled over the rest, her head resting in Hate's lap. You glance over her injuries - she seems half made of white gauze, now; even her face and eyes are completely hidden from view. One arm is in a sling, and her opposite leg is in splints.

“She wouldn't take a cane,” Hate says quietly. He's staring at Tatsuta quietly, stroking Tenryuu's hair absentmindedly - she seems to be asleep. “Didn't want to admit it, I guess.” He lifts his eyes to meet your gaze, and for a second your heart almost stops - his dilated pupils are as straight and deep as gun barrels.

“The cruisers that did this,” Hate says quietly. “You know who they were, don't you?”

[ ] They were the enemy. That's all that matters.
[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
[ ] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209473

>>46209446
And here come the medical gorn. And Planefag will almost certainly be unable to do it justice. Keep that in mind.

>> No.46209479

>>46209453
More true than some random unaccountable chucklefuck on the internet, at the very least.

>> No.46209489

>>46209472
>[X] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209499

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
The Russian fleet from Tsushima.

>> No.46209504

>>46209153
What part of the idea becoming obsolete in the late 1930's because of advances in aviation do you not understand.

When these ships were built in 1929, they were envisioned as going off on their own with at most a few destroyers as cover. In the imagined role, they would have a very real chance of engaging enemy cruiser/scouting forces in conditions that were not ideal for launching planes, and would therefor be forced to take them under gunfire. When these ships were built, that idea made perfect sense, and was accepted by every major nation with a Naval Aviation Corps.

>>46209211
5" guns are actually not ideal for engaging destroyers when mounted on a capital ship. The shell is simply too small and the range too short to prevent an attack. Even 6" guns have difficulty stopping a single destroyer.

Not to mention that the AA guns available at the time were single purpose 5"/25's or 3"/50's. Neither of which possess the capability of stopping even a light ship in a reasonable amount of time.

>Thing is, it just makes more sense to have some destroyers and/or cruisers to escort your carrier

That was not the thinking at the time. Hindsight is 20/20, but naval strategy then called for CV's to operate independent from the main fleet.

>and devote the space/weight saved on the carrier to more hangar space, speed, or armor.

Even with the eight 8" guns, the Lexington's had the largest hangar of any CV for 15 years, the best torpedo defense system available, and courtesy of its advanced turbo-electric drives, went faster than nearly every other CV in commission even by the end of WW2 20 years later. And it had a 7" belt to boot.

Space on them was never an issue.

>> No.46209506

>>46209472
>[X] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

Honesty among comrades.

>> No.46209508

>>46209472
>[x] They were the enemy. That's all that matters.

>> No.46209516

Is this where we put our guesses from last thread?

>> No.46209518

>>46209430
Thanks.
I can pick out the CLs, training cruisers, torpedo cruisers, CAs, BBs, CVs... but for the most part, not so much with the DDs.

Except the Mutsuki and Fubuki classes. And some of the Shiratsuyus.

>> No.46209524

>>46209499
...We established that it was the original Scharnhorst and Gniesenau, not the Slavs.

>> No.46209526

Didn't we have a discussion about this? Wasn't the possibility of them being the Far East German Navy Squadron from WW1 raised?

>> No.46209527

>>46209390
The army phalanx is trying to shoot down fucking peas compared to what is being shot at a ship, it's not surprising it can't hit much. There's usually a few of them at every base in afganistan

>> No.46209534

>>46209472
>[x] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209546

>>46209472
>[ ] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209554

>>46209504
What part of "You are a goddamned waffling idiot" do *you* not understand?

>> No.46209555

>>46209524
Refresh my memory.

>> No.46209560

>>46209472
>[X] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue. Yet.

>> No.46209564

>>46209472
>[ ] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.


>>46209524
did we really?

>> No.46209565

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
However the fuck you spell that german shit the industrious autists figured out

>> No.46209566

I have arrived. God damn it I hate meetings, MEDCOM conferences, and being TDY with a burning fucking passion.
>>46209472
>[x] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.
Also because I'm Army and to me everything that floats on water is a boat.

>> No.46209567

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
Themselves, for not following my god damn orders.

>> No.46209568

>>46209472
>[x] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209575

>>46209524
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]

Alright then, the German East Asia Squadron.

>> No.46209577

>>46209472
>[x] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209579

>>46209452
Quite so. Tenryuu hasn't grown accustomed to it yet, though.
>>46209472
[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau.

>> No.46209585

>>46209472
>[ ] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209591

>>46209472
>[ ] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.
Did they really just left him alone like that the entire night?

>> No.46209594

>>46209472
>[ ] They were the enemy. That's all that matters.

>> No.46209595

>>46209472
>[X] Yes. I do. "Scharnhorst and Gneisenau"

>> No.46209599

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do.>>46209524

>> No.46209603

>>46209518
Asashios and Mutsukis often stump me. Way too many, and not very distinctive. I have no idea why I remember the Fubukis.

>> No.46209606

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do.
Scharnhorst and Gniesenau. The original ones.

>> No.46209607

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
>Scharnhorst and Gneisenau.
>The WW1 versions of them.

>> No.46209608

>>46209472
>[ ] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209610

>>46209472

[X] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. the original ones

>> No.46209620

>>46209472
[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, of the Imperial German East Asia Squadron.

>> No.46209621

>>46209564
>did we really?
Most of the detective over on SB, though I know there were a few people who've guessed it in-thread

>> No.46209624

whoops fuck I forgot there was a thread today
just happened to see it on the front page after a missclick
thank you jegus

>> No.46209626

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
The Ostasiengeschwader

>> No.46209629

>>46209554
The part where you can't comprehend that Naval Aviation doctrines, requirements and technology in 1929 were different than those in 1941.

>> No.46209634

>>46209566
Did you bring up a certain addendum to any further sexual harassment seminars?

>> No.46209651

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
SMS Scharnhorst and Gneisenau.

>> No.46209660

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau.

>> No.46209662

>>46209472
Murderous intent and grevious injury aside, Hate and Tenryuu are adorable

>> No.46209673

>>46209629
You really are this dense, aren't you? The point is just going right over your head.

>> No.46209681

>>46209472
>>[X] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209688

>>46209081
>I work on the army version that is the same Exact thing but on a trailer.

C-RAM systems, eh? Neat. To the other anon, the guy isn't saying that CIWS sucks - it's just that CIWS systems have always, always, ALWAYS been a last-ditch kind of thing. To be blunt, terminal intercept is fucking hard. Terminal intercept against a weapon likely programmed to perform a last-second z-shaped or pop-up terminal evasive maneuver? Even harder. I picked this filename for a reason - Phalanx guns were always the last-ditch, hail-mary system; one last chance to engage a leaker that the primary defenses and extensive decoys and ECM couldn't thwart.

Point-defense guns can be made better than the Phalanx, but that primarily relies on making the gun bigger - which is why the Goalkeeper and the Russian AK-whateverthenumberis system are 30mm. The main reason is, a higher muzzle velocity results in a longer engagement range, and thus a longer engagement *window.* Goalkeeper uses the GAU-8 for that exact reason. But note that the GAU-8 is a massive gun that eats up a lot of weight and deck space; which illustrates why the Phalanx has never been upsized - it'd detract from more effective defensive systems, like longer-ranged missiles. The go-to replacement these days is the Rolling Airframe Missile; which has the primary benefit of - again - having a much longer range than gun-based defenses.

>> No.46209696

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
Scharnhorst and Gniesenau

>> No.46209699

>>46209472
>[x] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

Because I don't want the SB vote cabal to win. And really there's no reason for Settle to know who they are.

>> No.46209708

>>46209688
>the guy isn't saying that CIWS sucks
Could've fooled me.

>> No.46209710

>>46209473

>> No.46209715

>>46209472
>[X] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209735

>>46209472
>[ ] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209744

[X] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209754

>>46209472
[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, of the Imperial German East Asia Squadron

>> No.46209755

>>46209634
No, we aren't discussing SHARP stuff, thank god. I'd loose my fucking mind otherwise.

>> No.46209762

>>46209504
>5" guns are actually not ideal for engaging destroyers when mounted on a capital ship.
>standard anti-destroyer caliber mounted as secondaries on most battleships, including US battleships, well before dual-angle guns were introduced

wat

>> No.46209768

>>46209603
Not that many of them, I guess.
DesDiv6 is instantly recognizable (though there is some degree of confusion between Inazuma and Ikazuchi).
The Akizukis as well are quite easily identified..

And as for the Mutsukis, I just memorized them by month. Mutsuki is January, Kisaragi is Feburary...

>>46209472
[X] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]
What everybody else is saying. Sneezehorn and Gesundheit.

>> No.46209771

Oh good, looks like BB-4 is finally letting us run.

By the way, to the few who read my writeups, I'm still alive and writing the tenth and last Memories of Higgins bit. May upload it on the Saturday thread if all goes well. After that, well, I'm asking PF what I can do next so yeah.

>> No.46209774

Could somebody make this picture like 200% more marine? I want it for trolling Hate.

>> No.46209791

>>46209472
>[ ] Yes. I do. [Write-in.]

Scharnhorst and Gneisenau

>> No.46209793

>>46209768
Ikazuma and Inazuchi

>> No.46209794

>>46209699
This is true. Even if WE know who they probably are, there is absolutely no reasonable way for Settle to know at this point.

>> No.46209809

>>46209774
give them all dicks

>> No.46209818

>>46209472
>[x] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

>> No.46209823

>>46209794
He stared directly into the Abyss and found it wanting.
He touched the mind of the Abyss and it made him laugh.

He can know. He will know. He knows.

>> No.46209832

Also, votes called~

>> No.46209840

>>46209823
Settle isn't a fucking wizard, anon, no matter how much you want him to be. He's still a normal human.

>> No.46209841

>>46209794
I mean, he's a nerd who keeps a shelf full of history books, so maybe

>> No.46209870

>>46209841
He can maybe have an educated guess.

>> No.46209871

>>46209840
The way things are going, he might as well be a black mage/necromancer before the war is over.

>> No.46209898

>>46209871
Considering he's summoned two ships at this point (and we still haven't met the latter), that seems plausible.

>> No.46209903

[X] I spent the night duct-taped to a table. I don't have a goddamn clue.

Let's not make assumptions, now. Also, they do deserve SOME credit--they easily could have finished Tenryuu and Tatsuta off, but they chose not to.

>> No.46209914

>>46209870
He's also smarter than 90% of the thread so yeah.

>> No.46209920

>>46209870
>>46209841
>>46209794
And he identified Iowa that first time

>> No.46209923

>>46209871
More like he's becoming a Summoner at this rate. Here's a question we should have asked already. What happened to that new ship last night?

>> No.46209933

>>46209554

Also, Akagi carried anti-cruiser guns low in her hull as well, bro. It wasn't terribly uncommon. Take a deep breath.

>> No.46209938

>>46209903
That might actually be a negative in Hate's eyes.

HOW DARE THEY DENY THEM AN HONORRRABU DEATH IN BATTLE MUH VALHALLA OOH RAH BANZAI

>> No.46209940

Quick question, does Pacific have a wiki or similar? I'm going through danbooru, and it seems incomplete.

>> No.46209942

>>46209903
... that's an interesting point. Why did those two ships break off leave?

>> No.46209948

>>46209903
So Settle doesn't know shit then?

>> No.46209952

>>46209923
That brave actual Ship DD? Made through without a scratch.

>> No.46209961

>>46209940
Not really, but it does have a website.

>> No.46209973

>>46209081
How many times do you have to rub your dick on it?

>> No.46209978

>>46209952
Who is she? I'm still holding out hope for the Dutch destroyer Evertsen, who was also at Sunda Strait.

>> No.46209980

>>46209942
Mercy.

>> No.46209983

>>46209914
no bully. dumb people want to have fun too.

>> No.46209984

>>46209840
He had a hallucination so bad he got burned because of it.

This is some Dresden-level shit here - and no, I don't mean the predread cruiser.

(captcha is drinks)

>> No.46209997

>>46209898
If by the second you mean Andau she wasn't summoned or a girl

>> No.46210009

>>46209984
You don't have to be a wizard to get attacked by magic.

>> No.46210011

>>46209923
She's not a 'shipgirl'. She's an actual, still-active, Indon gunboat, and she survived with nary a hit on her.
MAINLY BECAUSE SHE'S GOT SUB-KILLER TORPS.

>> No.46210028

>>46209978
An actual human crewed ship that picked up the battle and made best speed to come help. Not a ship girl.

>> No.46210031

>>46209472
>“She wouldn't take a cane,” Hate says quietly. He's staring at Tatsuta quietly, stroking Tenryuu's hair absentmindedly - she seems to be asleep. “Didn't want to admit it, I guess.” He lifts his eyes to meet your gaze, and for a second your heart almost stops - his dilated pupils are as straight and deep as gun barrels.

Can't tell if 'thousand yard stare' or 'medicated up to his eyeballs', but probably the former?

>> No.46210032

>>46209980
Up until now, that's something the abyssals have never shown. This is probably something we need to follow up on, with the intelligence types.

>> No.46210042

>>46209948
It was a chaotic night battle, and Settle hasn't had a chance to debrief the chuuniboats about what they saw yet. So yeah, best not to go around making assumptions.

>> No.46210046

>>46209708
>[ ] Aw is mister make-you-command-every-battle in a pinch? How *tragic.* Go check up on the chuunibotes - they looked to be in rough shape the last time you saw.

He's saying it sucks for sustained aerial defense you retard. Who gives a fuck how many planes it shoots down in the 2 minutes it has ammo if it spends 30 minutes afterwards getting reloaded and doing jack shit

>> No.46210052

>>46209984
You mean the firebombing?
I don't think his burns were THAT bad.

>> No.46210055

>>46210011
There's still some uncertainty over whether or not it was a shipgirl boat that showed up in addition to the actual indo boat.

>> No.46210056

>>46209980
They were sunk in a desperate action against a wholly superior enemy, fought to allow the other ships of their squadron to escape. They may very well have seen the parallels.

>> No.46210057

>>46210031
'Murder', I think

>> No.46210069

>>46210028
Fair enough.

Also, for some reason in hearing of injuries, all I can think of is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSPJRauKQQ

>> No.46210076

>>46210031
Probably both.

>> No.46210077

>>46210011
533mm pride

>> No.46210084

Hmm...


With all these new type of fairies I wonder what the Abyssals got.

I wonder how big of a shitstorm will it be if the Abyssals attempt to invade the US mainland?

>> No.46210086

>>46209984
Does that work the other way as well?

As in, if we focus really, REALLY hard on dicking shipgirls, it becomes so?

>> No.46210101

YAY Planefag and his internet both function!

>> No.46210108

>>46210011
I would hope so, but we can never be too sure these days.

>> No.46210111

>>46210046
Because if it shoots down enough shit in those two minutes it'll actually have 30 minutes to reload BECAUSE ALL THE ENEMY PLANES WILL BE DEAD.

>> No.46210113

>>46210084
Just wait for Abyssals to take an old B-29 base or one of the Italian bases they staged Fritz-X armed bombers from.

>> No.46210114

>>46210032
Could be the first ones we attempt get to defect to our side. If they can show mercy, then maybe the Abyss/Voice Below doesn't have as tight a hold on them as most.

>> No.46210119

>>46210032
Point.
>>46210056
Indeed. The Imperial German navy was big on honor, and a number of their ships kept to prize rules in the early stage of the war.

>> No.46210139

>>46210009
He dragged the apparition into the CIC with his own sheer willpower and mental might. He's not just some bog-standard baseline human. Not anymore.

>> No.46210145

>>46210077
Which particular heavy torps do those gunboats use anyway? Russian-made?

>> No.46210149

>>46209762
A 5" shell is simply not large enough to stop a modern 1930's era destroyer in a reasonable amount of time, and that includes the heavy broadside of radar-controlled 5"/38's mounted on modern USN Fast Battleships.

>standard anti-destroyer caliber mounted as secondaries on most battleships

Most nations actually went with a 5.5" or 6" gun when it came to secondary armament on capital ships. Including Germany, England, Japan and Italy.

>including US battleships, well before dual-angle guns were introduced

You really need to look at the time frames for this as well. When US Dreadnoughts were using 5" secondaries in the 1910's, most destroyers weighed less than 1,000 tons, had torpedoes with ranges less than 7 kilometers, and went less than 30 knots. A 5" gun was considered just BARELY adequate then. 5.5" guns were still pushing it, but the IJN decided to use them because 6" shells were simply too heavy for the average Japanese man to handle for any period of time.

Also factor in the ridiculous weight limitations created by Congress for Battleships. The USN knew that 5" guns were barely cutting it, but anything larger would be heavier, and thus would impact some other aspect of the ship. As soon as Congress loosened its noose a bit during the 20's, the Navy was full and ready to switch to the new, much more potent 6"/53 gun for its brand new Lexington's and South Dakota class ships. Then the WNT happened and ended all that.

By the time we were building new battleships, the focus had changed from anti-destroyer to anti-everything, with a larger focus on the anti-aircraft part. the British went through the same ordeal with their 4.7" guns, and Japan and Germany never made the leap really.

>> No.46210150

>>46210113
Plague boats from the time of Justinian (their description SCREAMS abyssals), with the yersinia pestis updated to better fight our immune systems and antibiotics.

>> No.46210153

Ok so now we have:
1. Arizona x Settle
2. Iku x Shokaku
3. Iku x Naka x Harder

When will Iku x Settle or Iku x Arizona take place? Will a closet be involved?

>> No.46210156

>>46207838
LATE AGAIN FUCK

>> No.46210164

>>46210086
it didn't work for kongou, so it probably won't work for anyone.

>> No.46210184

>>46210113
Then they just use ECM and the Fritz-Xs get fucked. Seriously, that was the countermeasure they used back in the day, and it worked quite well. Even factoring in the leveling effect, modern destroyers would render Fritz-Xs useless.

>> No.46210191

>>46209768
Inazuma and Ikazuchi have an easy mnemonic.

>> No.46210193

>>46210153

>> No.46210198

>>46210114

Either that or they're playing it smart; dealing with wounded/crippled troops is more of a drag on an armed force than dealing with corpses. Both logistically and in morale.

>> No.46210215

>>46210111
Seeing as the Phalanx is horribly ammo efficient, it'll probably have enough to shoot down 10 planes if we're being optimistic. Congrats, you're still fucked against the carriers worth of planes that the Abyssals bring to the table.

>> No.46210216

Daily reminder that Settle will never get to marry his bartender, or even have a bartender anymore at this rate.

>> No.46210227

>> No.46210242

>>46210153
Funny how things have developed on that front amongst voters.

>> No.46210244

Kongou fairies!

>> No.46210255

>>46210150
Description whar?

>> No.46210256

>>46210184
Not the Japanese version. It had a very advanced guidance systems. Almost more advanced then modern ones.

>> No.46210258

>>46210215
>Carriers worth of planes

So far, we have seen two carriers simultaneously at absolute worst, plus land-based assets.

If there is ever any more than that, then we have bigger problems than how ammo-efficient a Phalanx is.

>> No.46210267

>>46209938

Fuck you. I'm glad they're not dead. I'm not fucking glad they got as fucked up as they did. those fucks didn't 'let them live." They left them to fucking bleed out

>> No.46210281

Needs more DESS.

>> No.46210282

>>46210256
hardy har har

>> No.46210287

>>46210216
Hayashimo is probably gonna ambush Settle soon and then lewd him after making him tasty drinks.

>> No.46210293

>>46210256
You. You're funny. I'll Ohka you last.

>> No.46210297

>> No.46210306

>>46210216
>Daily reminder that Settle will never get to marry his bartender
Seeing as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60WR8dB0H-s is more than likely his bartender now, all I gotta say is

GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>> No.46210308

>>46210255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwXAGiIVsgQ
At 3:47, I know people have a dim opinion of this show on this site, but it seems a fitting description for the Plague Boats to be Abyssals.

>> No.46210309

>>46210227
>>46210244
Hivemind?
>>46210216
...Hayashi- no, Kiyoshimo? Fuck, I'm probably wrong again.

>> No.46210314

>>46210287
Alcohol is man's best friend.

How can Settle abandon a friend? And his new one?

>> No.46210320

>>46210149

At least as far as anti-air goes, the Japanese were moving towards better DP guns. The Akizuki's 10cm guns were incredibly potent AA weapons. The Japanese just never had time to keep working on it.

Also as far as the Japanese 23mm AA guns go, they aren't quite as bad as people here are claiming. Most of the problems with them stem from their low rate of fire due to their usage of clips. They get most of their bad rep due to being compared to the bofors. Well no shit they were bad in comparison, the bofors is in a different weight class. The closest analogue to the 23mm for the US would be the 20mm Oerlikon guns on their ships.

>> No.46210330

>>46210242
Well Iku is pretty much neutral in all shipping wars, yet plausible for pretty much any pairing, so why not.

Maybe Iku wet thighs will be the glue that keeps Yokosuka from coming apart.

>> No.46210334

>>46210309
You got it right the first time.

>> No.46210335

>>46210297

>> No.46210337

>>46210153

>Will a closet be involved?

Nahhh.

*sssssip*

Might need some antibiotics afterwords, though.

>> No.46210339

rip in piece goto

>> No.46210356

>>46210153
You forgot Essex x Akagi.

>> No.46210364

>>46210320
First

IT WAS A 25MM GUN YOU NIGNOG.


Aside that, the 25mm had a lot of flaws beyond simple RoF. All mounts had a shocking traverse rate, whether due to a poor mechanism on the twin and triples or being too damn bulky on the singles.
It also had excessive muzzle blast and a stupid amount of vibration, rendering any sort of burst or sustained fire horribly inaccurate.

Finally, it was a maintenance whore.

RoF was only one of many problems with the Type 96.

>> No.46210373

>>46210314
Settle isn't good enough to be Yang Wen-li.

>>46210330
It's more the utter dismissal of Shoukaku as an option that intrigues me.

>> No.46210374

>>46210356
You mean Essex x Kaga.

>> No.46210381

>>46210334
Fuck. Me.
gaaaaah.
>>46210256
Top percentage of keks.

>> No.46210389

>>46210374
You're right, I messed up. I meant Essex x Kaga.

>> No.46210396

>>46210373
She hasn't done anything of note in forever. Everyone's forgotten about her.

>> No.46210399

>>46210149
...yeah, right. Those same "simply not large enough to stop a 1930's era destroyer" 5" guns also wrecked Japanese destroyers when they hit (not surprising, given that destroyers lack armor). Oh, and 5" shells were apparently big enough to trash the superstructure of a goddamn battleship, as well as savage even heavy cruisers badly enough to make them withdraw.

Destroyers are unarmored ships; 5" shells work just fine against them. That was true in 1930, and it was true in 1940.

>> No.46210415

>>46210396
Sad.

>> No.46210426

>>46210389
Nah, nah, you got it right! Bat Lead makes dinner reservations at a restaurant for Akagi, only for Kaga to show up instead.

Meanwhile, Essex and Akagi are locked in a closet together.

>> No.46210429

>>46210320
twenty fucking five millimeter.

Not twenty three.

And they were shit for more than just RoF. Their carriage was shit, their training and elevation was shit and the gun itself was a French fucking copy. Should've just stuck with the British 40mm copy but they couldn't reverse engineer it.

>> No.46210436

>>46210396
That's because the better carrier is in town : ^ )

>> No.46210440

>>46210113
>Just wait for Abyssals to take an old B-29 base

I assumed that the Floating Fortresses in-game represented those B-29s and other supersized bombers?

>> No.46210442

>>46210320
>23mm

25mm.

>At least as far as anti-air goes, the Japanese were moving towards better DP guns. The Akizuki's 10cm guns were incredibly potent AA weapons. The Japanese just never had time to keep working on it.

True, but those were no longer true DP guns. They were in the realm of dedicated AA gun that might be able to sort of shoot at an enemy ship if it has too. A 4" gun is really not okay at all for anti-ship operations in the 1940's.

>They get most of their bad rep due to being compared to the bofors. Well no shit they were bad in comparison, the bofors is in a different weight class. The closest analogue to the 23mm for the US would be the 20mm Oerlikon guns on their ships.

Compare it to the American 28mm (1.1") guns developed and fielded at the same time. The American gun fires a heavier shell at a higher velocity to a longer ranger with a similar cyclic rate of fire. Its more reliable and can engage targets quicker than the 25mm mounts, but was still considered bad by the USN simply because it was difficult to maintain compared to other guns.

The "worst" auto-canon fielded by the USN in 1941 is still better than the best IJN one available at the same time.

>> No.46210459

>>46210440
No. Though the last event had air bombardment nodes with 'Abyssal Liberator Bombers'

>> No.46210479

>>46210440
They def don't, they added B-24s only a few months ago.

>> No.46210480

>>46210426
"... You're Kaga, right?"

"... Yes."

"Where the hell is Akagi? 'Cause I'm not interested in your frigid ass."

>>46210436
Houshou is fine too.

This quest needs more Houshou.

>> No.46210492

>>46210373
Shoukaku X Settle is still my OTP.

>> No.46210493

>>46210426
Why would Akagi make out with Essex when it was Essex and Kaga that were having an argument earlier?

>> No.46210495

>>46210297
Witnessed.jpg

>> No.46210496

>>46210440
>can get hit by torpedoes
>vulnerable to normal shelling
Nope, they're some sort of escort ship. They launch planes in opening air like a CV or BBV, but participate in shelling and have 8 inch guns equipped.

>> No.46210497

>>46210436
I want to hug Houshou.

>> No.46210500

>>46210442
>A 4" gun is really not okay at all for anti-ship operations in the 1940's.
Eh, it's arguable. With the right ammunition it can be pretty damn solid, and the Japanese 10cm had a pretty high muzzle velocity.

Granted, Japanese ammo was shit, but the principle itself isn't terrible.

>> No.46210503

>>46210493
To keep her sister from accidentally ending up with her?

>> No.46210517

>>46210493
Because Akagi doesn't have a torpedo up her ass.

>> No.46210525

>>46210496
So a Lexington Class Carrier before the 8 inchers were taken away?

>> No.46210536

>>46210497
that's a face that makes me want to lewd her.

>> No.46210541

>>46210517
I thought it was a torpedo up her abaft?

>> No.46210544

>>46209446
>You don't much like hospitals.
>Nobody does.

I rather enjoyed my time in the hospital. I mean, it would have been better if I could have stood on my own, or indeed at all, but it wasn't that bad, once the swelling went down and the brace on my arms came off.

>> No.46210547

>>46210517
Akagi's taken (Batlead)

>> No.46210552

>>46210480
>frigid
>grill
>wut
Thinking more along the lines of Kaga wanting to meet this human pilot that Akagi keeps going to visit every so often.
>>46210493
>it's dark
>expecting Akagi to go along with it
>expecting it to be consensual

>captcha is candy

>> No.46210559

>>46210541
ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT ABAFT

>> No.46210563

>>46210500
The British Royal Navy thought so since they are still using it.

>> No.46210566

>>46210544
Dubs confirm someone who hasn't had a spooky experience at a hospital.
Or hated the sterile scent.

>> No.46210573

>>46209688
My favorite description of the shortcomings of the CIWS was in Clancy's Red Storm Rising where it locked up between two equally dangerous inbounds, and ended up engaging neither. It's a good system, but by definition it's a last gasp attempt at avoiding bad shit.

>> No.46210576

>>46210320

Except the Akizuki's gun wasn't really a DP gun, it was a dedicated anti-air gun.

The Japanese never even bothered to make an AP-common round for the 100mm type 98. Even destroyers had enough armor to soak some damage from 100mm HE.

>> No.46210579

>>46210480
Needs more racism.

>> No.46210592

>>46210566
>Scent
yeah that'd be it, I have a very weak sense of smell

>> No.46210601

>>46210497
That's a face that makes me want to hug her and tell her exactly that file name.

>>46210544
I like Hospitals. Most of my family is linked to them.

>> No.46210604

>>46210576
What does DP mean? Derp? Deadly Penetration?

>> No.46210606

>>46210579
Go to #swq then.

>> No.46210607

>>46210592
Seriously. Hospitals smell TOO clean. It's unnerving.

>> No.46210611

>>46210604
Dual-purpose.

>> No.46210613

>>46210604
Dual purpose

>> No.46210616

>>46210604
dual purpose

>> No.46210621

>>46210604
Dual Penetration

>> No.46210627

>>46210566
I loved working at my Hospital, I dealt with people from burn victims to people dying before I quit cause of family issues.

I also liked the smell and shit inside of them. Maybe I'm just weird.

>> No.46210639

>>46210604
Dick Pound

>> No.46210641

>>46210607
And when they don't smell that way, BAD THINGS (TM) have usually happened or will happen to anyone who comes in the door.

>> No.46210650

>>46210607
Better too clean (smell and all) than dying from antibiotic resistant bacteria. MRSA is not something to fuck around with.

>> No.46210653

>>46210607
Welcome to my day to day.

>> No.46210671

>>46210573
Never use Tom Clancy as a reference for real life accuracy.

Also, I don't think that ever happened. Or was ever a flaw in the programming. It'd be such an obvious fucking contingency to cover, from a programming standpoint, not to mention a simple one. Realistically speaking, no two inbounds are going to be EXACTLY the same distance away from you, and even if there ARE, you just program it to choose one at random and engage it first.

The biggest flaw of the CIWS system was that it had to be taken off of stand-by mode by humans--in other words, human error.

>> No.46210678

>>46210579
Silly, he's dating Akagi. Racism is not in his cards.

>>46210552
"You are not helping your case for my sister's hand, American."

"... She's a grown woman. I don't think you have a say in that. And we're dating, not exactly courting before a betrothal."

"... It would give me a reason to keep you alive, for one."

"... How about I look through rings while we talk?"

>> No.46210682

>>46210579
>>46210480
"HEY, NIPNONG! Are YOU Kaga, AKA BURNING BUSH?!"

"...Yes."

"Had to make sure. All you NIPS look the same after all! HAHAHA!"

"You're horrible."

"Horribly AMAZING~! Here, let me show you how REAL AMERICANS go on dates!"

>> No.46210687

>>46210604
Degtyaryova Pekhotny

>> No.46210691

>>46210671
Or it shot at flares from an allied ship.

>> No.46210697

>>46210566
>a spooky experience at a hospital.
>Or hated the sterile scent.
Goddamn it, the sterile alcohol scent never bothered me, but fucking try going out after dinner to get a snack. See if you don't feel fucked up.

>>46210604
DOUBLE PENIS

>> No.46210700

You think for a moment, remembering how the two cruisers had faced the wounded FFGs, so battered, so shattered, and still struggling to fight their ships right up until the end. How they'd paused, almost as if contemplating - then saluted three times with half powder charges before turning to leave. You remember the man in the vision pointing the revolver at you, and... hesitating.

The way he smiled as he saw the missiles raining down upon him.

“Yeah,” you say quietly. “There's only one squadron I can really think of.”

“Scharnhorst,” Hate says quietly. “And Gniesenau.”

You suck in a surprised breath - Hate tends to take the view that anything floating is a boat, and that's that. “How did-”

Hate holds up his smartphone and wiggles it. “So why'd you guess?”

You lean against the wall, collecting your thoughts. “I wasn't sure - I'd have to look up the armaments, and all that-”

“Skipper,” Hate growls. “TALK.”

You sigh. “The German East Asia squadron crushed a fleet of obsolete CLs just like these two weeks before the exact same thing was done to them.” You shrug. “I saw... when they-” you shudder involuntarily, spitting out the words before they can form on your tongue, slimy and cold. “I saw a man... pointing a gun at me. Begged him to fire. Dared him to. When the frigates opened up, he... he smiled.” You swallow. “They got jobbed. They're looking for a fair fight; the one they never got in real life. It fits.”

Hate nods in agreement. “You're wrong, skip.”

The face of the man in your dream - in his expression, somewhere deep, is the key to the riddle. But you can't stand to look at it anymore. Sinking into a nearby chair as the chills sap your strength, you gesture to Hate invitingly.

>> No.46210704

>>46210541
learn to english
up her stern. you wouldn't say up her abaft.
you also can't say up her afore or up her amidships. these don't make sense.

>> No.46210719

>>46210573
>Tom Clancy
Uh... something's wrong with this post.

Even though Clancy just so happened to be a prophet in regards to the shitstorm raging around in the Middle East, he's still not the best source in regards to military technology.

>caterpillar drive

>> No.46210721

“I read up on those two ships. Admiral Graf Spee commanded the squadron. When the British battlecruisers surprised them, he turned to fight with just his heavy cruisers, so his CLs had a chance to leg it,” Hate explains. “He closed the range aggressively - even drove one of them off with their light guns, since their shooting was so accurate.”

Hate's eyes bore into yours, unblinking and cold.

“His last signal was to Gneisenau, telling her to attempt escape. He turned to try for a torpedo attack. Sank about seventeen minutes later, with all hands.”

“Christ,” you whisper.

“It gets better,” Hate says quietly. “Two of Spee's sons were in that squadron. They died with him.”

For long moments the only sound is the subdued whirr of the wound vaccum.

“Why are they abyssals?” Hate asks you quietly. “Of all possible ships... why them?”

[ ] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.
[ ] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.
[ ] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?

>> No.46210724

>>46210399
>Those same "simply not large enough to stop a 1930's era destroyer" 5" guns also wrecked Japanese destroyers when they hit (not surprising, given that destroyers lack armor).

Destroyer on destroyer engagements were very few and far between during the war. Usually the USN destroyer forces vastly outnumbered the opposing IJN destroyers, which ended in them simply being outgunned. The exception being at the 2nd naval battle of Guadalcanal, where the Japanese destroyers mowed down several USN DD's early on for no losses themselves.

Also keep in mind that destroyer on destroyer engagements occur at VERY short ranges. Neither side is going to launch torpedoes at an enemy destroyer (if they even have any left), and even a 5" gun is going to kill you at only 4-5km. Compare that to a 5" guns trying to fire on several destroyers out past 10 kilometers that are shitting torpedoes at you. At that range, a 5" shell is absolutely CRAWLING towards the destroyers, taking nearly 18 seconds to reach the target, and a single or even a few 5" hits are not guaranteed to stop a destroyer.

>Oh, and 5" shells were apparently big enough to trash the superstructure of a goddamn battleship, as well as savage even heavy cruisers badly enough to make them withdraw.

Anything can trash a superstructure, its completely unarmored and is a massive vertical target. This about shooting at destroyers, not battleships and under-armored heavy cruisers with 1.2" thick turret faces.


I'll break this down for you.

A 5" HC shell weights pounds, with the bursting charge at most being about 4 pounds. It takes 17 seconds for it to reach out to 10,000 yards.

A 6" HC shell weighs 105 pounds, contains 13 pounds of explosive, and takes roughly 11 seconds to reach 10,000 yards.

A 6" shell gets to the target faster, and it carries 300% more explosive power. It is much more likely to secure a disabling shot sooner than a 5" gun, and is capable of firing out to longer ranges.

>> No.46210730

>>46210671
Didn't Clancy use library books to portray an American submarine so accurately that he got visited by the FBI because a ton of the shit he mentioned being in there was still classified?

>> No.46210736

>>46210544
I've been in the hospital twice: a two day stay after a near fatal accident and a month long stay while recovering from a debilitating illness, They were both unpleasant, but in different ways.

A short stay for a non-threatening injury doesn't sound too bad though.

>> No.46210746

>>46210721
>[ ] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?

>> No.46210755

>>46210576

Yeah like I said, they were working on their DP mounts but time wasn't on their side. I can't imagine that they wouldn't have developed an AP shell for it if they had more opportunity to do so

>> No.46210760

>>46210736
I was in there for three months babyyyy

>> No.46210763

>>46210682

> Essex infuriates kaga so much that Kaga sends bombers after her
> VF-15 shoots down all of them
> Smugdog.jpg

>> No.46210773

>>46210682
Too racist from the wrong person.

Got to be subtle with it.

>> No.46210774

>>46210721
>[x] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.
>[x] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

Both of these are great reasons, Germany was fucked in both world wars and has a more infamous history than Japan as they killed more civilians.

>> No.46210775

>>46210721
>[ ] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.

>> No.46210778

>>46210719
>guys, guys, wait, guys, I have a prediction, guys
>there's gonna be violence in the middle east!

dunno brah

>> No.46210781

>>46210774
Pick one, dude.

>> No.46210784

>>46210153
>Shou x Iku
not
>Shou x Suffering

Hahaha!

>> No.46210798

>>46210704
That was a reference to a previous thread, when told Kaga has a stick up her ass, Settle says the proper term is abaft, or something like that.

>> No.46210806

>>46210730
No he sat at the bars where the sub sailor drunk and listen.

Seriously you be surprised how much people talk.

>> No.46210807

>>46210721
>[X] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.

>> No.46210814

>>46210724
>Neither side is going to launch torpedoes at an enemy destroyer (if they even have any left)
The entirety of the Guadalcanal campaign says you're an idiot. "Launch Torpedoes First" was both Japanese and USN SOP for engaging other destroyers in battle the entire campaign.

>> No.46210815

>>46210721
>[X] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?
Maybe they didn't want to fight. Maybe they're forced to.

>> No.46210816

>>46210721
>[ ] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.
What strange games Fate plays.

>> No.46210821

>>46210721
>[ ] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

>> No.46210822

>>46210721
>[ ] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.
The Abyssals want a rerun of history, only this time they're going to win.

>> No.46210831

>>46210724
>A 5" HC shell weighs 50 pounds

Whoops.

>> No.46210834

>>46210721
>[ ] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?

Magical bullshit it is!

>> No.46210838

>>46210730
Yes. There's a stark difference between Early Tom Clancy, Late Tom Clancy and "Tom Clancy"

>> No.46210849

>>46210721
>[x] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

>> No.46210850

>>46210763
Someone like Essex needs to be bullied into submission.

>> No.46210852

>>46210721
>[ ] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?

>> No.46210854

>>46210721
>[ ] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?
Also, they got more famous ships named after them, that seems to piss everyone off.

>> No.46210857

>>46210721
>[X] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.

>> No.46210860

>>46210838
Which one was the Red October one?

>> No.46210864

>>46210721
>[ ] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.

>> No.46210867

>>46210721
>[ ] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.

>> No.46210870

>>46210700
Wait, so Settle saw the man with the gun too? I thought that bit was from Tenryuu's perspective. This is getting spooky...

>> No.46210874

>[ ] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.
>[ ] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?

The third choice should just be assumed even when choosing either of the first two. At this point, we don't have enough information about crewmembers of Abyssal ships to say accurately why they're doing the things they're doing. We're working without a net here

>> No.46210875

>>46210721
>[ ] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?
The first Abyssals we've seen with mercy and honor. That might be related.

>> No.46210877

>>46210671
Appologies, I wasn't using the example for accuracy, but to point out that on terminal intercept anything can go wrong, and there isn't an opportunity to fix the problem. In other words, there are no second chances on terminal intercept.

>> No.46210878

>>46210724
You cite armour confusingly, given that destroyers too are completely and utterly unarmoured.

You sound like you're just trying to back up WoWS experience with cherrypicked wikipedia numbers.

>> No.46210887

>>46210773
Nothing about Essex seems to be subtle, though.

>> No.46210895

>>46210860
Early Tom Clancy.

His Cold War stuff is easily his best work, with a few exceptions here and there.

>> No.46210904

>>46210774
>and has a more infamous history than Japan as they killed more civilians.
China and SEA would like a word with you.

>> No.46210905

>>46210721
[x] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

This and the first are equally likely I'd guess, but what happened to their Admiral is a bit more significant to them.

>> No.46210907

>>46210887
That's just what she wants you to think.
Devious.

>> No.46210909

>>46210721
>[x] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?

>> No.46210910

>>46210760
Well then maybe you're more okay with being alone than I am, because after a week of my human contact being a daily 3 hour rehab session it started to get to me.

>> No.46210915

>>46210721
>[x] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.
dem botched rolls meng. shit would be tragic if it wasn't germany. settle probably doesn't feel undying hate for the boche, but seriously fuck germany. shit eating dogfuckers had it coming.

>> No.46210917

>>46210887
Communication failure. I thought we were still on Kaga and Bat Lead, not Kaga and Essex.

If it's Kaga and Essex, it fits PERFECTLY.

>> No.46210920

>>46210721
>[X] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

>>46210778
Except it's playing out just like a Tom Clancy novel - a random terrorist group getting the entire world's attention, terrorist attacks/bombings in multiple key cities... Add on the threat of the WMD that is the Mosul Dam (if it goes, there goes over one million souls and Iraq as a country for good), and...

>> No.46210926

>>46210850
Specifically by a big sister of hers.
Namely a Yorktown or a Lexington.

>> No.46210934

>>46210910
I had my phone and laptop and the wifi connected to 4chen and steam.
What more human contact could I need?

>> No.46210941

>>46210721
>[X] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

>> No.46210947

>>46210895
The Hunt for Red October for life yo.

>> No.46210948

>>46210721
>[ ] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

>> No.46210949

>>46210721
>[ ] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?
Maybe there's a reason here we can puzzle out.

But not right now.

>> No.46210950

>>46210721
>[X] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.

>> No.46210959

>>46210934

>> No.46210975

>>46210616
No MPs will get in the way.

>>46210721
>[x] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

>> No.46210976

>>46210947
Either that or Sum of All Fears.

Plus of course Rainbow Six.

>> No.46210979

>>46210814
The first battle was a clusterfuck at point blank ranges, and most of either sides torpedoes were expended at cruisers or to sink disabled ships.

You have a point with the 2nd battle, but most of the Destroyer work as still done early with guns.

>> No.46210992

>>46210870
Perhaps over Tenryuu's GoPro feed?

>> No.46210997

>>46210721
>[ ] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

I would guess that what happened to their Admiral matters a lot more to them. Especially since they were operating in the far east/south america.

>> No.46210998

>>46210721
>[X] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?
oooh those poor sad misunderstood abyssals.
Yeah, right.

>> No.46211004

>>46210721
>[x] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

>> No.46211007

>>46210947
There's a reason the Navy loaned them half the fleet for the movie - talk about a recruiting video ...

>> No.46211012

>>46210721
>[x] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

>> No.46211027

Or because both Hate and Settle are both basically fairies.

Seriously I'm waiting for Hate to get killed only to wake up in Iowa.

>> No.46211034

>>46210979
And you're just going to ignore the fact that it was literally their established and drilled doctrine on both sides to open an engagement, even against DDs, with a torpedo spread?

>> No.46211035

>>46211007
Speaking of which, the US ship that appeared in the film, that the Russian sub crew was transferred onto?

Recently sunk in a training exercise.

>> No.46211038

>>46211007
Yerp.

>> No.46211040

>>46210976
>Alpha 2, this is Rainbow Six. The HVI is barricaded in an office near Yokosuka's Mess area. You'll need to flank the shipgirls if you want to get him out alive.
>Roger that, Six. Anything else we need to know?
>Uh, one of his assailants is USS Essex.
>WELL SHIT.

>> No.46211043

>>46210721
[ ] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood.

>> No.46211045

>>46210724

Y'know what's fucking great? Data.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-51_mk7.htm

These were mounted on Arizona when she launched in 1913. Note how the bursting charges started at a measly 1.7 pounds of primitive shit (TNT ignited by black powder fuzes, for fucks sake,) and evolved to 7.25 pounds of rather more sophisticated (and powerful) explosive. Add to that the combination of high velocity and high accuracy those particular guns displayed, and I think they were perfectly decent anti-destroyer weapons, as the Japanese discovered during their first crack at Wake island.

A 6 inch gun kills things better, faster, and at longer ranges, of course. That's why they're the go-to armament for light cruisers, including the light cruisers the US built. But sometimes, it's just not worth the weight. There's a big difference between "good versus best" compared to "adequate vs. inadequate." On the balance I'm going to guess that the US knew what the hell they were doing when designing ships.

>> No.46211048

>>46210721
>[ ] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.

>> No.46211049

>>46210992
I thought that had been smashed earlier. There was some references to the two chuuni boats feeds being just static.

>>46210998
I still feel like we went a bit overboard with the whole "hate" speech talking to BB-4. I mean, we raised some good points with the mentions of duty and honor and stuff, but the abyssals run on hate. Do we really want to be fighting fire with fire?

>> No.46211053

>>46210721
>[ ] How the *fuck* should I know? How the fuck are we supposed to parse ANY of this shit!?

>> No.46211056

>>46210926
But all of them sunk. None of the Essex-class aircraft carriers sank.

Let's just have Arizona pick on her.

>> No.46211059

>>46211040
Could be worse, could be Sammy.

>> No.46211062

>>46210724

Not so few and far in between, off the top of my head, destroyer on destroyer actions happened during

> 1st Guadalcanal
> Empress Augusta bay
> Vella Lavella
> Cape St George

The USN AAR from these battles conclude that their destroyers had considerable gunfire superiority once the exchange of torpedoes was done. Not a few IJN destroyers were sunk by 5 inch gunfire.

18 seconds is not a long time in naval combat. Real destroyers can not turn on a dime or zigzag like they do in World of Warships. With WW2 technology, destroyers had to be sailing straight to use their own weapons effectively, and zigzagging to dodge fire makes it basically impossible to hold formations. Ships only evaded if they have a very good reason to, or if evasion is their only goal (as was the case with IJN Nowaki).

The other things is that destroyers are like thoroughbreds. It doesn't take much to take out out of action. At Cape St George, Yugiri was disabled by 5 inch fire during a tail chase; a 5 inch round hit her propeller shaft and that was that. She was overtaken and sunk by more 5 inch fire.

With the 5"/38, USN destroyers can fling an impressive amount of shells downrange. 15 rounds per minute, and 3.5 kilos of high explosives per shell.

Most 6 inch guns struggles to break 6 RPM; only the semi-cased guns on the American and German cruisers hit significant;y higher numbers. Throw weight/minute between the 5"/38 and IJN 6 inch gun on the Mogamis were within 10% of each other.

>> No.46211077

>>46210396
She hasn't done anything of note in Ever, and it is sad for her. She was a distraction who got told off when Settle threw himself into the Kaga-Hornet-Zuikaku clusterfuck, there was the date (which was nice, and the most interesting thing she did), she was completely absent during the air raid, during the Bonins she channeled the touchy-clinginess of Kongou and got tossed away like a doll, she warned Settle to stay away from Shigure and was thankfully ignored, and then she fucked up our coffee though she was trying at least.
Yamato put it best, she's a good friend, and there's nothing wrong with that. Settle needs somebody he can just have breakfast or coffee with.
But the possible ~Issue~ that would lead us down her arc of ~Character development and Angst~ was mentioned once by Goto and promptly ignored and forgotten by us all.

It probably doesn't help the poor girl that she only got that date because Crix suggested it, and he can't even stay consistent with who his shipfu is.

>> No.46211090

>>46210755

Their doctrine for the ships said they shouldn't. The Akizuki's weren't even supposed to be in surface combat unless things got really bad. There's a reason they only have 4 tubes and no reloads.

>> No.46211094

>>46211049
What, you don't want to sic FULLY-PERSONIFIED HATE on them?

Maybe there are exceptional cases that just want to die. But it seems a lot of them are malicious beings that just want to terrorize.

>> No.46211103

>>46210934
Oh I see.

This was 10 years ago, we didn't have such luxuries. All I had a TV set with 7 channels on it, two of them in Spanish.

>> No.46211105

>>46211045
Usually, they ended up with fairly good design. I'm inclined to believe you.

>> No.46211107

>>46211049
That sounds suspiciously like weak, "hug the abyssals until they like us" speech, Anon.
Are you some kind of huge, gaping pussy?

>> No.46211118

>>46211103
Hah, my hospital had cable
thank you TBS for running Seinfeld constantly

>> No.46211131

>>46209472
>“She wouldn't take a cane,” Hate says quietly.
Do you think she'd take a sword cane, though? Because apparently Hate knows a guy...

>> No.46211133

>>46211045
>the US knew what the hell they were doing when designing ships.

lies

>> No.46211149

>>46211062
>only the semi-cased guns on the American and German cruisers hit significant;y higher numbers.
In the interests of fair reporting, the BL 6-inch gun on WW2 british and commonwealth cruisers like the Perth averaged closer to 8RPM and could, for short periods, hit 10-12 due to manual loading.

>> No.46211157

>>46211107
There's a pretty big difference between "hug it out" and "passes out in the CIC screaming about HATE". I think that an officer of the US Navy should hold himself to a higher standard than "raving hobo".

>> No.46211158

>>46211059
>Ghost Lead, this is command. Really sorry about having to call you out on this exercise. The squids were very insistent.
>No worries, boss. Beasley is itching for a fight. So who are we dealing with?
>Navy boys say a certain USS Sammy B needs some 'sparring partners'.
>Interesting. Must be a hell of a fighter. We'll need to be a lot more sneaky around her then.

>>46211056
I meant an older carrier class, sorry. Like Hornet.

>> No.46211165

>>46211062
>Most 6 inch guns struggles to break 6 RPM; only the semi-cased guns on the American and German cruisers hit significant;y higher numbers. Throw weight/minute between the 5"/38 and IJN 6 inch gun on the Mogamis were within 10% of each other.

Also, this, I forgot to mention. I think a significant factor is that, as far as I'm aware, the 5 inch gun was the largest one that could be loaded by one man - i.e. the largest gun firing a unitary cased shell; with powder and projectile all together in one package like a really big bullet. That had obvious consequences for rate of fire. Six inchers are fairly fast firing too, but they're never going to match a unitary cartridge, either in hand loading OR mechanical ramming.

Of course, by the time the 5''/38 dual-angle was developed, the higher velocity of 5 inch and the demonstrated value of dual-angle pretty much locked them in as secondaries.

>> No.46211168

>>46211118
>Seinfeld constantly

That would be good motivation to either heal up quickly or die a fast death.

>> No.46211171

>>46211107
Good old Rogue Trader.

And Beakies.

>> No.46211174

>>46210878
>You sound like you're just trying to back up WoWS experience with cherrypicked wikipedia numbers.

You sound like you're trying to project. I have never played that game, never did enjoy the idea of arcade naval warfare.

Destroyers are unarmored, yes.

This is not an argument about destroyer versus destroyer though. Or even destroyer versus cruiser/DD at point blank. This is about the usefulness of 5" guns as anti-destroyer secondary armament on a Battleship.

A destroyer does not need to close to 2,500 yards to launch a torpedo at your battleship. If anything, he may never approach within 10,000 yards of you. That is the very edge of effective range for a 5" gun, but well within effective range of a 6" gun, which is also going to hit much harder, and disable the destroyer in fewer hits. I'm not saying a 5" gun WONT do that, but a 6" gun will do it quicker and more reliably.

>> No.46211179

>>46211168
seinfeld is a good show, fuck you

>> No.46211182

>>46211007
>>46211035
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/03/anti-aircraft-missile-sinks-ship-navy-sm-6/

So, yeah. Star power don't save you none.

>> No.46211189

>>46211056

Enterprise picked on her
Essex fangirls Enterprise like no tomorrow, and Enterprise abuses it to get free stuff and put Essex in compromising situations.
Essex is oblivious to it due to excessive fangirling

>> No.46211202

>>46211157
We got literally burned by the spoopy nightmare vision
for all we know our insane hobo rage is all that saved us from getting remotely magicly brainfucked

>> No.46211212

>>46211157
You must not have studied many great military leaders, because if you had, you'd know that an extremely large number of them did act like "raving hobos", which was often disguised beneath and extremely thin veneer of gentlemanly conduct.

>> No.46211222

>>46211189
This makes too much sense. Unless Enterprise is actually a Good Girl.

>> No.46211224

>>46211174
>hitting a fast battleship from 10,000 yards with a torpedo spread

>> No.46211231

>>46211189
What about Hornet? I mean, she did launch the Doolittle Raid. She couldn't put up any fighters, so if Enterprise slipped up, she was a relative sitting duck.

>> No.46211244

votes called writing etc.

>> No.46211247

>>46211118
I want you to know I say this deeply and sincerely from the very bottom of my heart:

Fuck You

I would have murdered someone for basic cable.

>> No.46211253

>>46210721
[X] Everything they fought to protect... it all came to naught, in the end. Germany failed them, in the end, and it left them adrift.

Seriously the few side stories that have done WWI Germans shows that if they came back they'd literally have nothing to associate themselves with their modern country.

For all anyone knows they're following the abyssals because they literally don't know anything better to do with their lives.

The fact that they seemed to fight with Honor though shows that they don't hold any personal malice like the rest of the abyssals do...

>> No.46211254

>>46211189
>>46211222
>Enterprise the Ojou
This is going to Ace wo Nerae-tier levels very fast.

>> No.46211267

>>46210721
>[ ] The ship named for their brave Admiral met a similar fate in almost the same place - some twists of fate are too cruel to be withstood

>> No.46211269

>>46211224
It's implausible to the extreme, yes, but stranger things have happened in the two World Wars, and indeed in all wars.

>> No.46211282

>>46211174
The argument about 5" guns as an anti-DD armament Is very relevant to the fact that DDs ae unarmoured, because that's exactly what you're shooting at.

That aside, you seme to be blatantly ignoring IRL data and experience in favour of making up your own (flawed) conclusions form paper numbers.

So yeah, you're still wrong.

>> No.46211283

So, whatever happened to that plan to tail an abyssal and capture it?

>> No.46211288

>>46211165

Well no, the 5 inch ~cased~ guns have rounds that are much too heavy for one man to handle. All the 5 inch rounds are two piece, since even the "light" 5"/38 has a combined case+shell weight of 40 kilos, definitely not a one man job.

The 100mm type 98 was one piece thou, which helped a lot with achieving it's high ROF.

Conversely, the 12.7cm 3rd year type was *bagged*, which butchered the ROF and made powder handing a nightmare.

>> No.46211292

>>46211224
christ, at that range it would probably think it ran into a sea mine

>> No.46211309

>>46210816
I like this filename

>> No.46211311

>>46211224
Hey now, torpedo attacks aren't only about hitting your opponent. Just ask Yamato!
>>46211283
We dismissed it as '2, possibly even 1spooky'

>> No.46211313

>>46211283
It's a plan that's going to happen eventually yeah

>> No.46211316

>>46211165
The 5"/38 wasn't a unitary case, the powder was in a big brass case, but the actual shell was loaded separately.

>> No.46211326

>>46211269
So don't base your arguments on an implausible scenario, numbnuts, and rather a far more practical scenario in which your vaunted 6" superiority is far, far less obvious.

>> No.46211331

>>46211283
I do believe it was complicated by new intelligence.

>> No.46211334

>>46211316
5"/38 shotgun shells when

>> No.46211336

>>46211254

She's nice to everyone but Essex because Essex deserves it, and Enterprise knows Essex is thick skinned enough to not care.

>> No.46211339

>>46210979
You're talking out of your ass. There were a bunch of destroyer-on-destroyer engagements in 1942 and 1943, and torpedoes were used a lot in pretty much all of them. Hell, there was one engagement in which several USN destroyers set up an ambush on a Tokyo Express line of IJN destroyers, which involved using radar to aim and fire their entire spreads of torpedoes BEFORE opening fire with guns. The torpedoes then blew up more than half of the Japanese destroyers.

And regardless, it doesn't matter if one of the battles was a clusterfuck at point-blank ranges. The ships are unarmored; using HE shells, you can't overpenetrate.

>> No.46211340

>>46211045
>
These were mounted on Arizona when she launched in 1913. Note how the bursting charges started at a measly 1.7 pounds of primitive shit (TNT ignited by black powder fuzes, for fucks sake,) and evolved to 7.25 pounds of rather more sophisticated (and powerful) explosive.

Thats actually an error on Navweaps part. The later Special Common rounds still only had 1.7 pounds of filler. Only the VT AA shell shared with the 5"/38 ever had 7.25 pounds of explosive in it.

>> No.46211342

>>46211326
That wasn't me. That's some other idiot. I agree with everyone else on the gun issue.

>> No.46211345

>>46211283
Our force got fucked up beyond most recognition, so we had to pull our shit back as the Abyssals did the same.
Next fight. Next fight we'll chase down BB-4 and gank the bitch hard, then capture Hoppou as a consolation prize.

>> No.46211368

>>46211345
Is that an authentic restored Reisen, or a Texan? I can't tell from this angle.

>> No.46211388

>>46211334
When you fill a coffee can with BBs and put it down the breech.

>> No.46211389

>>46211077
>Settle needs somebody he can just have breakfast or coffee with


That outright removes Shoukaku and Arizona from the running.

>> No.46211398

>>46211368
Authentic restored Zero. Only one that actually still flies.

>> No.46211401

>>46211368
It's genuine, cockpit's the right shape for it.

>> No.46211402

>>46211340

Cool sources there. Is Navweaps wrong about the 18,000 yard range, too?

>> No.46211422

>>46211224
>t;
>USN opinion on Japanese torpedoes in 1942

Tassafaronga says hi.

>> No.46211424

Hey Planefag

Since we don't know yet what Essex wears or looks like, I have a request.

Make her wear a Stetson.

The combination of Naval Aviator and Cav will create a faggot density high enough to break reality. No matter what happens to her we won't feel bad, all we'll do is point and laugh.

>> No.46211428

>>46211107
Given that beating the Abyssals into the ground Nanoha style brings them back to the light, hate is really pointless.

>> No.46211432

>>46211389
As in people who AREN'T waifu. Naka or Goto would qualify if they didn't bring booze/despair every time

>> No.46211439

>>46211401
>>46211398
Nice.
Wait, do they replace the colors on her regularly? I saw a pic of a restored reisen in stripe camo and flying some time ago.

>> No.46211441

I just thought of something. How hot do piston engines in planes get? And do any modern military aircraft use piston engines and not turboprop?

Cause the Stinger and Sidewinder both have a minimum temperature that the target has to be to lock on or it get filter out as a none target.

And if say a Hellcat engine runs colder then that temperature, there's goes half of the AA...

>> No.46211452

Essex would try to get Kaga hooked on hamburgers and admit their superiority. I'm absolutely certain of it.

>> No.46211466

>>46211422

Fun fact, they actually DID think they'd hit mines!

>> No.46211473

>>46211439
They re-engined a few zeroes, so as far as I know, the one depicted there is the only one still flying with the original engine.

>> No.46211476

>>46211182

>> No.46211479

>>46211424
I think this got plenty of salt.

>> No.46211482

>>46211398
I wonder if anyone's shot at it in a fit of patriotic stupidity.

>> No.46211503

>>46211428

>> No.46211508

>>46211441
I thought modern SAMs/AAMs have updated targeting capabilities that ignore heat?

>>46211473
Oh. That could explain it.

>> No.46211520

>>46211253
>WWI Germans shows that if they came back they'd literally have nothing to associate themselves with their modern country


BRAVO MERKEL

BRAVO

>> No.46211531

>>46211482
Depending on the country. If its flying in the US then I doubt it. It doesn't look like a black male or a school.

>> No.46211532

>>46211441
I'm taking courses to be a pilot. Yes, piston engines tend to run a bit cooler than turbofans. Turbines (the rear part of any diagram of an engine) can reach somewhere in the neighborhood of 6,000 degrees Fahrenheit and before people start calling BS, they use a copper nickel alloy to deal with it, or something like that, it's been a little while.

>> No.46211541

>>46211077
>and he can't even stay consistent with who his shipfu is

up to 4 is halal friend

>> No.46211542

Huh. Anon picked... the interesting option. Neat.

>>46211288

Hmm. Could one man alone load each component of a six-inch shot; shell and charge? Maybe that's what it was talking about, because one man can still load that.

>> No.46211548

>>46211441
exhaust is dumped right out the sides of the engine cowl, so they might actually have hotter hotspots than a modern warplane with all its baffley stealth gubbins

>> No.46211553

>>46211174

>> No.46211554

>>46211508
Kinda hard to ignore heat when they are heat seeking no?

>> No.46211561

>>46211424
Essex looks almost exactly like Hotaru.

>> No.46211582

>>46211542
>Huh. Anon picked... the interesting option. Neat.
You can come out and say it planefag, we fucked up again, didn't we?

>> No.46211587

>>46211503
What the fuck is that stupid faggot face supposed to mean?

>> No.46211595

>>46211553

THE NEW 9MM

>> No.46211597

>>46211541

>> No.46211598

>>46211561
She doesn't have the crazy eyes, though. Those are important.

>> No.46211605

>>46211542
>interesting option
EVERYONE FUCKING PANIC. RIGHT NOW.
Except me. Don't hit me with them panic waves.

>> No.46211609

>>46211432
Who do you suggest for breakfast/coffee time?

>> No.46211611

>>46211482
I wonder... if somehow somebody could get VMFA-242 to fly in loose formation with it?

Then the Zero and Lieutenant Colonel Basco land on the 'helicopter destroyer' Kaga as part of some PR stunt/ceremony... with the patrol ship Akagi and the submarine Soryu in attendance...

>> No.46211620

>>46211548
Probably true for the fifth gen fighters like the F22

But a F18 or 15? Probably not.

Captcha is tea... Captcha is KONGO!

>> No.46211625

>>46211345
>>46211368
it crashed recently!

>> No.46211626

>>46211542
>the interesting option. Neat.
Hold on to your butts, this is gonna be interesting! Or terrifying. I'm not sure yet.

>> No.46211631

>>46211582
Whenever he comments on a choice being "interesting" or "fun", he really means "HA HA, TIME FOR SUFFERING"

>> No.46211637

>>46211611
JS Kaga isn't long enough to accomodate a Rhino landing on her.

>> No.46211639

>>46211625
fucking
fucking source
sauce
now
fucking sauce now

>> No.46211640

>>46211587

>> No.46211648

>>46211402
Not even the retard who's been arguing about 6-inchers versus 5-inchers.

A common shell physically cannot contain as much explosives as a dedicated high explosive shell, for the simple fact that the walls of the shell have to be thicker in order for it to be able to fulfill the "common" part of its designation by penetrating even mild steel without it bursting on contact. Thicker shell walls = smaller internal volume for explosive.

Unless BuOrd managed to violate the laws of physics.

>> No.46211651

>>46211609
Shoukaku.
Tenryuu+Tatsuta once they're healed, has the bonus of being able to fuck with Hate.
Kaga

>> No.46211658

>>46211639
I'M LOOKING!

>> No.46211669

>>46211609
Essex.
You don't even need coffee anymore. Not when she won't let you sleep until well after you need it.

>> No.46211683

>>46211648
>Unless BuOrd managed to violate the laws of physics.
Wouldn't put it pass them.

>select all images with kayaks.

>> No.46211686

>>46207979
>>46207909
>>46207838
>abyssal mindfuckery is so strong their hallucinations can cause physical harm
Jesus fuck

>> No.46211696

>>46211651
>Shoukaku
You know the problem with "nice" girls, right? They quietly expect you to do stuff for them.

She might find Settle's problems rolling right over her head instead.

>> No.46211703

>>46211542
last time you said it would be the !!FUN!! option, but we didn't get godzillas fighting on a sea of magma
i hope it turns out better this time

>> No.46211709

>>46211648
Wouldn't surprise me if BuOrd did break physics abit since they did screw up so many other shit like the MK13/14/15 Torpedoes for everyone.

>> No.46211711

>>46211683
>Floatplane deck
>DD
fsadfsdjgdghdfgyagtdagajgaghargarbl

>> No.46211723

>>46211703
I doubt we'll get two Warlord Titans smashing a gigantic Abyssal fleet out of this vote.

>> No.46211742

>>46211686
It's Soopy shipsloot magic anon. What did you expect?

>> No.46211743

>>46211637
Who said anything about a Super Hornet?

Nah, you get something that can into STOL, like an A-10 or something like that.

Maybe even requisition a TBF Avenger from an air show in the States for added 'nostalgia' or some shit.

>> No.46211744

>>46211703
Is that a Stuka?

>>46211723
>Not wanting this baby to fight Abyssals
mediocre.

>> No.46211745

>>46211711
We had three of those things. All of them Fletchers.

>> No.46211753

>>46211669
She'd cause more problems than she'd solve.

>> No.46211754

>>46211723
Sounds like a Papa-N hue option, if the hue options did anything besides get Max killed, or raped.

>> No.46211761

>>46211696
Still more interesting than her current unremarkable self

>> No.46211765

>>46211711
It was an experiment, anon, and when it didn't work out, they converted all eight of the test-ships back to five-gun-Fletcher configuration. Right idea - aircraft are arguably the best ASW weapons ships have - but it had to wait for the era of the helicopter to really gel together.

>> No.46211769

>>46211744
... That looks even more impractical than a Titan.

>>46211754
If only I'd gone through those quests, I'd know what you were talking about.

>> No.46211772

>>46211753
FUN problems.

>> No.46211775

TWO FOUR SIX EIGHT

WHEN IS NAKA GOING TO HAVE HER DATE?

HARDER MIGHT BE SICK IN BED

BUT THAT DON'T MEAN HE CAN'T GET FED

WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED THE LIGHTS GO LOW

AND HARDER CAN LET HIS SEAMEN BLOW

>> No.46211784

>>46211648

Dude, this is BuOrd. They defy the laws of physics by not keeling over for concentrated stupid. I would rather drop a third nuke rather than give WWII Japan our BuOrds.

BECAUSE THE NUKE WOULD BE NICER.

>> No.46211790

>>46211723
when 4chan says a chinese girl cartoon is 'interesting' it's a euphemism for pornographic

>> No.46211802

>>46211723

>Warlord

>Not fucking Imperator class.

Get fucking bent. If you're going to make war, Make war all the fucking way.

>> No.46211804

>>46211772
There is no such thing as fun problems.

>> No.46211810

>>46211696
>>46211761
She has her own problems that she's busy dealing with.
Some boats don't have the luxury of following their crush around while mute.

>> No.46211812

>>46211775
hospitals are somewhere you're supposed to recover and get the fuck out of, not get even more injured.

despite the tendency of patients to burst into flames

>> No.46211814

>>46211775
>Not saying TWO FOUR ONE ONE

>> No.46211815

>>46211744
>Is that a Stuka?

>hugeass ventral radiator scoop
>gull wings
>fixed landing gear
Can't think of what else it might be.

>> No.46211817

>>46211775
Yeah, about fucking time for that too.

>> No.46211819

>>46211542

For the 6"/47 on the Brooklyn's and Clevelands, the shell was too heavy for humans to handle, the things weigh 130 pounds each. The case was lighter, at only 70 pounds each, in the extreme upper bound of what a human can handle.

The gun was "autoloaded" in that the shell and case were brought above the ramming tray by the hoist, then simply rolled onto the ramming tray and rammed into the gun that way.

>> No.46211825

>>46211775

>> No.46211829

Cute.

>> No.46211830

>>46211804
Yes there are. You just have never had any.

>> No.46211833

>>46211802
Not every regiment can afford a fucking baneblade, fairy boy.

>> No.46211840

>>46211802
Imperators are slightly less suited to punching the fuck out of the battleships.

Though, yeah. Imperator Titans or bust.

>> No.46211844

>>46211802
Reminder that Jun'you is a friendly drinking buddy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHglkEkuzJs

>> No.46211846

Shit, I can't find it. I know I heard something like a corsair ran into it from behind due to poor visibility or something and the tail was chopped off. Sorry :/

>> No.46211853

>>46211784
Are you sure they didn't already have it? May be land weaponry here, but it's still an example of stupid in Japanese weapon design. Hell, they still thought Battleships would be useful as the main weapon of war after they conclusively demonstrated it was not.

>> No.46211877

>>46211819
Sustained rate of fire of 8-10 RPM as well.

Not bad at all.

>> No.46211885

>>46211846
>Corsair
>'poor visibility'
Yeah, right.

>> No.46211887

>>46211825
>someone saved my greentext

>>46211812
The best way for Harder to recover is to resolve that sexual tension and knock Naka up with a hunter killer submarine.

>> No.46211890

>>46211840

You can punch with a plasma destructor. It's fucking stupid, but you can do it.

>>46211833

Fucking sucks to be them, then. Good thing we're not talking fucking guard, we're talking collegia titanicus.

>> No.46211899

>>46211846
i think your talking about the Akutan Zero
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akutan_Zero#Analysis_of_the_Zero
a helldiver crashed into it destroying it

>> No.46211900

>>46211815
D4Y?

>> No.46211903

>>46211853
CLIP-FED MACHINE GUNS
THE WESTERN DEVILS WILL TREMBLE IN FEAR

>> No.46211907

>>46211885
When taxiing, I would say that visiblity would be very poor to the front over the engine, due to the fact that it's a tail dragger, no?

>> No.46211910

>>46211877
Then you had the USS Helena who could do about 14 a minute cause they were that good.

And maybe roids...

>> No.46211920

>>46211910
Muh Machine-Gun Ship.

>> No.46211924

>>46211775
>WHEN IS NAKA GOING TO HAVE HER DATE?
>not "when will Naka have her date"

>WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED THE LIGHTS GO LOW
>not "when they're done"

Come on man, if you're gonna cheerlead at least try to keep it in rhythm. Fuck.

>> No.46211931

>>46211899
Uh, what kripple meant is that the freshly-restored Reisen that flew recently (January iirc) got hit by a restored Corsair.

>> No.46211936

>>46211903
I'll be honest, the concept is sound....but the actual execution is rather....oh who the hell am I kidding, it's TERRIBLE. (Though the stock is actually rather good I heard)

>> No.46211943

>>46211907
Plausible deniability, wo.

Just like Mogami's torpedoes.

>> No.46211944

>>46211711
>>Floatplane deck
>>DD
>fsadfsdjgdghdfgyagtdagajgaghargarbl
Smarter or dumber than casemates pointed aft?

>> No.46211952

>>46211900
Judies aren't gull wings though.

>> No.46211953

>>46211890
But then you limit your firepower by damaging the plasma destructor.

Why would you do that?

Instead, you use a Warlord with a giant, fuckoff chain blade and you punch them with that.

And the Imperator is nuking everything with glorious, overwhelming firepower.

>> No.46211965

>>46211931
This! Do you have anymore information? I can't remember where I saw it at
Have a bonus corsair.

>> No.46211967

>>46211920
She sure has big guns

>> No.46211970

>>46211877
Let the shelling commence.

>> No.46211976

>>46211900
>Fixed gear
>D4Y
wut

Besides, the D4Y had a radial engine, which the pic was not.

>> No.46211978

>>46211910
literal had the nickname bullet hose

>> No.46211984

>>46211944
>WW1
>ever going to happen

[Laughing Europeans]

The 19th century was the end of history.

>> No.46211987

>>46211853

Pfft, that's IJA, not IJN. Jap Army was where they semt all the retards with connections. Betcha nobody would notice if we swapped our navy BuOrds amd their army BuOrds.

What's worse was that that design there was their good one!

>> No.46211990

>>46211846
>>46211899
>>46211931
>>46211965
http://allthingsaero.com/airshows/gallery-original-japanese-zero-loses-tail

>> No.46211995

>>46211903

See, this is the kind of shit that fucking irritates me. "IT WAS DUMB" Yeah, fucking, in practice this was a bad idea. On fucking paper, this was fucking genius- it meant your fucking squad support weapon could take mags from any swinging dick in the fucking unit- which is a brilliant fucking idea, considering how much ammo a beltfed chews through and how supplies are always dicey as fuck in wartime.

Yes, the nips made a lot of fucking mistakes. but do we really want to troll through the State's list of "cool on fucking paper, utter dogshit in practice" designs? cos I'm willing to fucking bet we've got a fucking few.

>> No.46212003

>>46211924
>THERE ONCE WAS AN ANON WHO CARED WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT GRAMMAR
>EVERY OPPORTUNITY HE HAD HE WOULD CORRECT PEOPLE
>NO ONE EVER LOVED HIM AND HE DIED ALONE
>THE END

>> No.46212011

So Goto seems to be the new popular name for the Japanese admiral in Kancolle fiction.

>> No.46212017

>>46211846
Oh... that's somewhat disappointing.

Was the Corsair in question also a restored aircraft dating back to WWII?

>> No.46212018

>>46211936
that thing was curio&relic before it even ended production

>> No.46212020

>>46211995
Not to mention there are a bunch of really cool and useful ideas that basically never saw much action due to never being used in a large scale war and thus became obsolete novelties.

>> No.46212021

>>46211944
>submerged torpedo tubes

>> No.46212022

>>46211995
Psst magnetic exploder

>> No.46212027

>>46211967
American treaty CL's were even more top heavy than the IJN CA's.

I think Atlanta had a higher role-factor than Atago.

Literally tittymonster CL.

>> No.46212028

>>46211441
I know for a fact that the Stinger can track piston engines, because I managed to "shoot down" Sean Tucker with a Stinger training round on display at the Miramar airshow back in about 2003--live seeker head on dummy missile, and I got a lock on him while he was doing his aerobatics routine in his Pitts.

>> No.46212033

>>46211995

Aside from the obvious Mk.14 joke, I'd say one of our worst was the M3 Lee, otherwise known as the Comprimise-Beast. Seriously, Rams would have been just as good, but no....

>> No.46212038

>>46211967
UUUU

>> No.46212040

>>46212011
Wonder why?

... Still can't say it with a straight face.

>> No.46212041

>>46211990
Yeah, that's it, thanks! Thought I was going crazy there..

>> No.46212044

>>46211995

They must be cousins of the same people who gave the M249 a STANAG well.

>> No.46212055

So this just rolled across my email:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV9lnNynGhw&index=116&list=PL5EC191405B286F8B

Figured I'd share it. I think it's kinda cool. Then again, any amount of decent CG animation impresses this old fart.

>> No.46212065

>>46211995
That seems to be a theme of sorts with a lot of weapons development.

"It seemed like a good idea at the time."

"Let's remove the guns from our fighters because missiles will do all the work."

"Let's design hybrid warships that can be both a gunboat and a carrier."

"Let's ignore our junior commanders at the front who are complaining about our impeccably designed and tested torpedo."

"Let's make a stealth VTOL multirole fighter."

>> No.46212071

>>46212028
>muzzle swept with a guided missile
SON

>> No.46212076

>>46212011
Would you say he's the goto name for Japanese admirals?

>> No.46212080

>>46212027
>Boss, hey boss, 5" guns suck against warships. What do we do?
>Simple my child. We add more

>> No.46212082

>>46212055
Why would people email this to you?

>> No.46212101

>>46212076
OH YOU

>> No.46212103

>>46212082
Kancolle!

>> No.46212104

>>46212082
Some of his subordinates follow the quest.

>> No.46212107

>>46211990
fuck
fuuuuuck
fuuuuuuuuck
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Goddamn yankees.

>The sounds of Zero engines will echo only in hell.

>> No.46212115

>>46212040
1. It's a real name
2. There is a certain well-liked, fairly known Captain Goto from the Patlabor series.

>> No.46212124

>>46212065
>"Let's remove the guns from our fighters because missiles will do all the work."

I'm no expert in chair force, but hasn't there not been a gun kill at super sonic speed since the Gulf War?

Now, that's not talking about the Phantoms, of course. I'm just saying the general idea isn't the problem, it's when you implement it.

Handing every squad a gatling gun in the mid 1800's is not a good idea, even if a similar idea is good 50 or 100 years later.

>> No.46212129

>>46212082
My son sent it to me. "I figured the animation would interest you." Literally all he said.

>> No.46212133

>>46212107
take heart, anon, they'll both be flying again within the year.

>> No.46212138

>>46212033
The fuck you say?
At the time, Lees were amazing. The 75mm gun was perfect for using against Panzer IIIs and IVs while still being able to lob HE unlike the Brit tanks. Also unlike the Brit tanks, it didn't break down all the time.

>> No.46212147

>>46212115
>I am so fucking done with this shit

>> No.46212148

>>46212033

How about the fucking airacuda. Look the fucking thing up then tell yourself "Someone thought this fucking thing was a good fucking idea"

>> No.46212151

>>46212129
How does it feel that your son is a fucking weeb?

>> No.46212153

>>46212133
But it's no longer the original airframe anymore.

>> No.46212155

>>46211990
>tfw Corsair can't keep it's face away from Reisen booty.

>> No.46212157

>>46212129
>letting your family know about your power level

>> No.46212158

>>46212104
Not them this time but yeah they would to if hey found something... I wonder what they're all up to right now.

>> No.46212167

>>46212003
>That pic.
Damn you! I remember where that came from! Damn you for making me remember that! Yes, I'm still sore over it.

>> No.46212187

>>46212151
>Implying I'm not a bigger weeb than him.
Who the fuck do you think got him into this shit? I watch a lot of the older stuff, kinda fell out of watching shit for several years but have been getting back in recently. Things have changed, a lot.

>> No.46212189

>>46212065
>"Let's make a stealth VTOL multirole fighter."

I see nothing wrong with this. Also, it's worth noting that only the F-35B is a VTOL.

>> No.46212194

>>46212148
Wasn't that bad, if only they'd kept the turbocharger on it. Russian's liked them a LOT.

>> No.46212198

>>46212158
>>46211844
Reminder that Jun'you is always up for a good night of getting hammered.

>> No.46212205

>>46212082
he's "that anime ship gaming guy" now because he was unable to conceal his powerlevel

>> No.46212212

>>46212147
That sounds about right.

>> No.46212216

>>46212194

Read the fucking name again.

Not Airacobra. AiraCUDA.

>> No.46212217

>>46212198
I wish I could right now.

>> No.46212221

>>46212158
Whatever it is I'm sure they'll have it cleaned up by the time you get back.

>> No.46212225

>>46212033

The M3 Lee performed fine for what it was, a stopgap until we could start shitting out Shermans.

Keep in mind that when it rolled out, German Panzers were still armed predominately with:

7.5cm/L24's
3.7cm/L45's
5cm/L42's
2cm/L55's

None of which could penetrate the front of a Lee at any reasonable distance. Even the later 5cm/L60 had trouble with that, and those were few and far between. Even fewer still were the long barreled 7.5cm/L43's on the Panzer IV specials.

>> No.46212226

>>46212153
Ship of Theseus is a stupid concept.

>> No.46212228

>>46212189
It's less the idea and more of the absolute fuck up that is the execution.

>> No.46212232

>>46212055
Now that I think about it, the video for me is kinda depressing, considering you see them start dropping out at the same time they did in real life from the clock in the background. Kinda like Bink's Sake from One Piece.

>> No.46212234

>>46212194
Airacuda =/= Airacobra

>> No.46212244

>>46212148

My eyes! They burn!

>>46212138

Comparing anything to an Emglish tank is like asking for a curb stop. I mean, I'd put a Lee up against a Churchill every time because the English were still being retarded about tank design

>> No.46212250

>>46212148
The original A-10.

>Germany did it first

>> No.46212253

>>46212187
Define old stuff.
Are we talking Bubblegum Crisis/Hokuto no Ken/Gunsmith Cats levels here?

>> No.46212254

>>46212189
And how far behind schedule and over budget that thing is again?

Seriously it's costing so much that it drain resources from OTHER branches now. Neither the Army nor the Marines have gotten a new toy in decades...

>> No.46212256

>>46212216
Oh. Then yeah, that thing was an abomination that should've never flown.

>> No.46212282

>>46212256
For reference, this is it.

>> No.46212295

>>46212225
This.

Lee's are only silly and useless compared to Sherman's. Compare them to their contemporaries or WW1 tanks if you want anything that's fair.

You gotta remember when the Lee was designed tanks had only really been used in one major war. WW2 was basically when airplanes and tanks got all the stupidity worked out of them.

>> No.46212296

>>46212253
Well, if that's old, then you've made me feel really old.

>> No.46212297

>>46212221
They better.
>>46212232
Kinda but at the same time it amuses me because it shows just how quickly they got fucking wrecked once we had our feet under us again.
>>46212253
Hokuto no Ken was a fun one.

>> No.46212329

>>46212256
>>46212282
>The Airacuda was also saddled with a complex and temperamental electrical system and was the only aircraft ever built to rely on an independent auxiliary power unit (APU) to power both engine fuel pumps, as well as all aircraft electrical systems.[10] Systems usually powered by an aircraft's engines were instead powered by the single generator. The generator, with its own supercharger, was located in the belly of the aircraft. In the event of a failure (and they occurred frequently), the crew was instructed to begin immediate emergency restart procedures as the aircraft basically shut down. When the APU failed, the pilot had "NO fuel pressure, NO vacuum, NO hydraulic pressure, NO gear, NO flaps and NO ENGINES".

Literally what.

>> No.46212330

>>46212282
what the flying fuck

>> No.46212332

>>46212256
Funny thing is that Chuck Yeager, yes that one, LIKE the thing according to his autobiography.

Then again the third top scoring ace ever like the F104 starfighter. Heard that from his mouth at an air show in Wisconsin.

>> No.46212345

>>46212253
strike witches, GuP and /k/-on is the old stuff now

BGC is something grandad wrote fanfiction for

>> No.46212347

>>46212228
That's more a result of the F-35 being held under more public scrutiny than any other project for some reason.

>>46212254
As far as military projects go, the F-35 isn't doing all that poorly.

Also the Marines /are/ getting F-35s, and the Army is getting CGV and M1A3 "soon".

>> No.46212356

>>46212296
A lot of kids rave too much about Naruto/Bleach/One Piece these days.

>>46212297
IKR

>> No.46212379

>>46212347
Whether the M1A3 actually becomes a legitimate thing will depend on the next election.

>implying the democrats will approve funding for a fancy new MBT

>> No.46212383

>>46212345
YOu saying Nene Romanova is too old for you, anon?

>> No.46212386

>>46212332
To be fair, Chuck Yeager sounds like the kind of person that would be hard pressed to not like an an aircraft.

>> No.46212400

>>46212055

>impressed by kancolle MMD modeling

I can show you a whole new world. Rigging that moves! Murakumo a fucking best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obYagtYIgkc

for another kind of whole new world: https://mega.nz/#!OEUDURrC!V3qmZmqn0paBg81xB_AXYNzC_2djWPlREqCLdgpNNlc

>> No.46212411

>>46212379
>A "New" MBT

>> No.46212413

>>46212347
>That's more a result of the F-35 being held under more public scrutiny than any other project for some reason.
Well, depending on how quickly the Ford gets its electrical problems sorted out...

>> No.46212417

>>46212386
Apparently he hated the BF109 but since he got shot done by one...

>> No.46212424

>>46212411
It's certainly not the existing Abrams.

>> No.46212427

>>46212003
>guy points out a lack of rhythm
>call him a grammar nazi

>> No.46212428

>>46212055
>dat '42 onwards

Oh yeah.

>> No.46212432

>>46212356
Meanwhile I'm going on about Yamato 2199 and comparing it to Space Cruiser Yamato.

>> No.46212447

>>46212400
How do these girls not get back problems

>> No.46212451

>>46212400
>Hair keeps bouncing around.
Kek

>> No.46212466

>>46212432
Body suit Yamato is fine too.

>> No.46212470

>>46212447
2SPOOPY4ME

>> No.46212479

>>46212379
What do we need a new MBT for? Like seriously, who exactly are we going to fight that justifies it.

You know instead of, say, new drones or new APC/IFVs, which we actually have a use for.

>> No.46212481

>>46212447
Warships, son. They're warships, not girls. Do you need to watch the training video again?

>> No.46212502

>>46212379
>M1A3
>new

One of these things is not like the other.

>> No.46212520

>>46212479

Oh fucking god, one of you fucking dildos.

You know what, naw, carry the fuck on. There's no fucking convincing your fucking type.

>> No.46212526

>>46212466
We need more spaceship girls.

>> No.46212534

>>46212254
The Apache Guardian would like to have a word with you.

>> No.46212537

>>46212147
Captain Goto never even started with that shit. It's been a while since I watched Patlabor, but I can't recall him ever shifting away from that expression.

>> No.46212548

>>46212479
civilians shouldn't have main battle tanks

only the police should

>> No.46212553

>>46212447
because they're spooooky~ or something, idk.

>> No.46212565

>>46212466
How sweaty do you think it is under that suit?

>> No.46212578

>>46212548
OUR RIGHT TO OWN MBTS IS CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED AND SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>> No.46212579

>>46212479
>new APC/IFV

GCV is happening sooner or later, as are the turretless Bradleys.

>what do we need a tank for

Those infantry aren't going to support themselves. Also M1A3 is hardly "new".

>> No.46212580

>>46212332
>Funny thing is that Chuck Yeager, yes that one, LIKE the thing according to his autobiography.
...pretty sure that he was talking about the P-39 Airacobra, and that he actually HATED the idea of flying the thing. He liked how it handled, but having the engine behind him and that small exit-door gave him no confidence in what would happen if Things Went Wrong....

>> No.46212586

>>46212479
your asking the wrong question
why wouldn't we want a new tank

>> No.46212594

>>46212520
But Hate, the terrorists don't need tanks, they need love. U-234 love.

>> No.46212597

>>46212466
Yes, yes it is.

>> No.46212598

>>46212400
My body is ready.

>> No.46212600

>>46212520
He has a point. I disagree with him, but there's a valid argument there.

What if MBTs are in fact like battleships and are obsolete? Shouldn't we at least TRY to adapt in some capacity?

Now I do disagree and think there will always be a need for a giant well armored mobile cannon, but we might need to rethink how we use them and maybe design something to fulfill the same role in asymmetrical warfare environments rather than constantly pretend every single enemy is the fucking Russians.

Why use a jackhammer when a simple hammer would do? We'll always need MBTs so long as our major rivals like Russia and China use them, but for fuck's sake why do we need to use them against a bunch of ragheads whose collective cost amounts to several hundred dollars worth of guns, ammo, and goat milk?

>> No.46212612

>>46212071
Dude, they had it out for civilians to examine and were encouraging us to try and get a lock on the aircraft doing routines. Like I said, live seeker, everything else dummy.

>> No.46212619

>>46212579
We have the M1A3, but it seems like they were implying another, whole new tank, so I can understand the confusion.

Upgrading our existing tanks or producing another run of the current models is a far cry from developing and fielding a whole new MBT platform.

>> No.46212624

>>46212594
>U-234
Fuck, either I can't type or have to take that nuclear physics exam again.

>> No.46212626

You know, I've always wondered.

Once you get past a certain speed in space, do you have to start worrying about aerodynamics again?

Not saying that there is atmosphere in space of course, but is there enough particulate matter that, at a sufficient velocity, you actually have to worry about how to cut through it as efficiently as possible?

>> No.46212647

>>46212612
>Dude, they had it out for civilians to examine and were encouraging us to try and get a lock on the aircraft doing routines.
FUCKING WHAT

Man, how come Americans get all the cool stuff?
Airshows around here, security comes down like the wrath of God if somebody has a penlight, let alone a laser pointer.

>> No.46212655

>>46212600
Well, China's MBTs have been becoming steadily more sophisticated as they take cues from western design philosophies, and Russia is prancing the Armata around (even though imo it's a highly overrated tank).

>> No.46212659

>>46212626
I think that at the speed where stellar particles become a fluids issue you're already dealing with relativistic effects.

>> No.46212665

>>46212600
Until the infantry can carry a 120mm and several machineguns the tank will continue to be relevant.

>> No.46212668

>>46212600

There is a fucking difference between 'trying to adapt'- something the fucking russians did with their Terminator or what the fuck ever T-72 hull, twin 35mm and ATGM rack for fucking example, and "LOL HURRR WE DON'T NEED TANKS ANYMORE FOR WARS WE'LL FIGHT!"

>> No.46212669

>>46212626
At high speeds you worry about space dust poking holes into your ship, actually.

>> No.46212676

>>46212626
No, because past a certain speed the particulate will cut through your ship instead.

I believe at 86% c an object has more kinetic energy than it does mass.

>> No.46212687

>>46212655
The entire point of Armata is an attempt to standardize the Russian tank fleet.

Whether it's a good tank or not is of secondary concern to Russia.

>> No.46212692

>>46212626
It's not speed itself in space that makes a difference, it's the acceleration.

You could get into the rotational velocity of small matter that comes into contact against the ship but it's generally so non-existent it doesn't matter.

>> No.46212697

>>46212600
>What if MBTs are obsolete
They're not.

>> No.46212702

>> No.46212725

>>46212687
>Whether it's a good tank or not is of secondary concern to Russia.

You wouldn't that from the way they or the tank's supporters portray it.

>> No.46212734

>>46212600
>ATGMs will render Tanks obsolete
Just like how missiles will rendered guns on fighters obsolete? Or how nukes preclude the need of anything other than the air force?

>> No.46212736

>>46212669
>>46212676
I remember reading a book that solved this issue by basically putting a massive mushroom shaped drum of water and lead at the head of the ship, that covered the crew spaces from the frontal arc and ate anything that would hit the ship.

>> No.46212737

>>46212668
There's a difference between "don't need tanks" and "don't need NEW tanks".

Maybe you need to get your eyes check LT.

>> No.46212744

>>46212626
Depends on what region of the space you're at, but largely no. Solar wind and radiation pressure in general is a bigger problem at that point that aerodynamic drag.

>> No.46212757

>>46212626

"No"

http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/

>> No.46212770

>>46212734
To be fair, the Syrian Civil War showed just how bad ATGMs can fuck tanks no lube without active protection systems installed on said armored vehicles.

>> No.46212773

>>46212744
Speaking of solar wind, I wonder how goes the project to make sails that can catch solar wind for space travel.

>> No.46212782

>>46212626
There's a big difference between hitting molecules of O2 at the speed of sound and hitting anything else at relativistic velocities.

>>46212655
Well that's Russia and China and I think those are valid uses for an MBT.

But do we really need them in the Middle East, where they become giant expensive targets for IEDs or sitting ducks in urban environments?

I know a lot of /k/ommandos like to pretend war is about who has the biggest cock and can fuck other people more impressively, but if the US spends several billion dollars on a war and the terrorists spend several million, we're the ones who eventually have to pull out due to public outcry. Not them, who get funding despite every effort by the World's financial system to freeze their assets.

Saying we can kill all the terrorists, being able to kill them all, and being able to keep killing them until they stop fighting are three very different things. This is not WW2, we are not fighting a nation state, we are fighting ideologically motivated extremists who thus far run circles around us. We aren't extending our influence into their countries successfully, but they are.

Brussels and Paris are just two examples of this. They're winning, not us and our big expensive toys.

Are tanks useful against Russians? Yes. I don't know how many times I have to say so. Not useful against terrorists, though.

>> No.46212787

>>46212737
And as every conflict since World War Fucking One has demonstrated, an old tank is a dead tank.

>> No.46212789

>>46212647
It was the one *on-base* at MCAS Miramar. The Marines had all of the toys out for the civilians to examine close up. As a result, I now know how much room there is in an Abrams (more than you'd expect, actually), how bad a Geneva Convention violation the back seat of a HMMWV is (BAD), and how simple the controls on a Stinger actually are.

I also have to chuckle at the memory--they had small arms out (unloaded) for civilians to examine and handle, too. I picked up the M249 SAW and shouldered it... and the Marine who was watching over it commented, "You know, you're the first person to hold that correctly ALL DAY." Apparently, everyone else held it at the hip, Rambo-style...

>> No.46212792

>>46212668
>>46212697

Tanks are obsolete the way battleships were obsolete in WWII. Sorta kinda, but not really. Their role is definitely changing, and slowly but surely going the way of the dodo (the fate of all things, really), but I'd say we still got at least a few decades left before we see the end of them entirely.

>> No.46212801

>>46212737

Except that's just as fucking stupid. Maybe we don't need new fighters, either, fucking right? Or new ships, for that fucking matter- afterall, haji ain't gonna suddenly sprout a battlefleet or goddamn airforce, is he? We should just prepare for the wars we've fought in the past, surely that won't fucking bite us in the fucking ass like it's done every other fucking time we've done it!

>> No.46212810

>>46212600
The MBT is not obsolete, we just haven't run into a scenario where it's tactical niche is brought to the forefront.

If we were to fight a nation with a proper military (rather than the illiterate dirkastani chucklefucks we've been at for the past ~25y), we would need to engage their armored forces. This means that our *ground forces* would need to project armour penetration to kilometer-scale ranges - hundreds of yards if you're a fatclap. Either way, that's slinging shells far beyond rifle or man-portable launcher ranges. Granted, most medium AFVs (IFVs and APCs) can mount ATGM launchers, but they, in turn, will get fucked over by those same ATGM launchers. In order to safely engage medium AFVs, you want heavy AFVs, like MBTs.

Guarantee you, if the USA ever goes up against Russia/China/EU or anyone else who wants to challenge their global hegemony, they'll want those tanks.

>> No.46212814

>>46212782

You need killy robots. Autonomous or human controlled.

>> No.46212831

>>46212782
I'll respectfully disagree.

They aren't winning unless we let them. Like you are.

>> No.46212839

>>46212782
>killing a decreasing amount of people with increased amounts of time and effort put into these attacks
>killing a laughably small amount of people overall
>"winning"

k bud

>> No.46212855

>>46212782
>sitting ducks in an urban environment
THIS FUCKING MEME.

Let me spell it out for you.
C O M B I N E D A R M S

>> No.46212859

>>46212814
Killy robots?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdaaThXgMZE

>> No.46212860

Anyone just waiting for the day powered armor comes into play on the battlefield?

>> No.46212865

>>46212831
That's utter denial of reality on par with "if you say anything bad about Muslims, ISIS wins"

>> No.46212879

>>46212860
I'm waiting for it to come into play on the back line. Gimme my fuckin' power loaders.

>> No.46212889

>>46212879
>what if we took a forklift and GAVE IT LEGS

>> No.46212894

>>46212770
This is mostly due to the fact that the Syrians and Arabs in general have no goddamn clue how to properly defend their tanks against ATGM threats. Both NATO and Russia thought long and hard on this issue throughout the Cold War.

>>46212782
Well, it's not like we have Abrams deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq. They were only really brought in to handle convential units and played much smaller roles in the occupation phases.

Plus terrorists don't have to worry about protecting global interests scattered all over the globe. In various environments.

>> No.46212897

>>46212859
You better mean this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8zD2uYryJM

>> No.46212901

>>46212801
And when were fight a conventional, stand up enemy, or even thinking about doing so, that will be relevant again.

But at the moment, new MBT development, instead of just upgrading what we have, probably isn't going to be a priority to anyone who isn't a tanker.

And no one denied the new fighter the Air Force has is a joke, and has been for a while.

As for ships, we'll just have to see how the Zumwalt does before we can pass judgement on whether or not we need to start new ship classes anytime soon.

>> No.46212902

>>46212879
They'll probably appear in industry before the military.

>> No.46212908

I am so glad I brought my personal laptop with my this trip and not just my work laptop.

>> No.46212917

>>46212860
>>46212879
Oh what anons would do with powered exoskeletons or power armor....

>> No.46212918

>>46212860
I can't wait to remove commies in my T-45D.

>>46212879
It would certainly benefit artillery loaders.

>> No.46212927

>>46212889
Yes exactly.
Imagine if we could have a wearable forklift. That'd be so fucking great.

>> No.46212934

>>46212792
Except no. Technically speaking, modern tanks are moving further away from what the perception of a tank is (big armored box that kills other tanks) and back towards what tanks were originally envisioned as (big armored box that takes the hits squishies can't)

And besides that, a big chunk of armor with a big fuckoff multipurpose gun will never be obsolete.

>> No.46212940

>>46212908
>CMANO in a meeting
Nice

>> No.46212941

>>46212782
>But do we really need them in the Middle East, where they become giant expensive targets for IEDs or sitting ducks in urban environments?
The tanks are valuable for direct fire support during MOUT, provided that you leave them on their lonesome like what Syria and Iraq did.

>They're winning, not us and our big expensive toys.
If you actually follow the the shit happening on the mid-east threads on /k/, ISIS has been getting constantly since the Kurds have retaken Kobane and Russia has gone into backseat commanding for the Syrian Army. so much that ISIS now has to deal with constant desertions. Constant air bombing isn't as glorious as a stand-up battle. But you can't do war when your mid-level and senior leadership and logistics gets constantly assasinated by drones.

>> No.46212952

>>46212865
The only way they win is if WE give up. So long as we endure, keep fighting and REFUSE their ideals are even valid, they cannot win.

Also, I can say plenty bad about Islam and ISIS won't fucking win either.

>> No.46212959

>>46212927
I'm going to assume that half of the posts on this subject are sarcastic, and the other half are perfectly serious.

>> No.46212962

>>46212917
Wait until some guy goes postal with a power loader

>REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.46212963

>>46212940
Nah, in meetings I play Huniepop

>> No.46212969

>>46212908

>askmeanything

Do you think ArmyNurseCorpFag's boss is seeing him slack inthread?

>> No.46212971

>thread almost dying
>planefag ded

>> No.46212982

>>46212918
>>46212860

>> No.46212988

>>46212917
Finally make my fucking body-assist armor/combat skin.

I have the materials. I have the forge. I have the permit and everything.
It's been done before. Look up Troy Hurtubise.

>> No.46212993

>>46212969
ZEUS!!!!!

>> No.46213002

>>46212908
>Win 10
>Default window manager
>Not even HashTWM or anything
>Botnet browser
>No silly tabs
>No tab open to "gay SEX with HATS ON" on pornhub

#TRIGGERED

>> No.46213007

>>46212959
Dude, imagine how useful a small forklift would be. I'm being dead serious.

>> No.46213012

>>46212860
>Anyone just waiting for the day powered armor comes into play on the battlefield?
Any day now desu. All 'power armor' really is is a fucking load-bearing frame, and we're already actively testing those, both in DARPA and as an extension of civilian prosthetics. Once you remove the weight limitations imposed by the human body, you can just bolt ceramic plates on, mount an LMG on a swing-out arm and sling a launcher across the back for good measure.

>> No.46213016

>>46212969
I'm not on the clock right now so I don't give a shit.

>Captcha was forklifts

>> No.46213021

>>46212520

its a legitimate question if you don't know much about tactics. It's basically a poorly phrased version of the question "are tanks used enofgh in modern warfare (ie peacekeeping missions aginst small dictatorships) to justify upgrading our inventor rather than spending those resources on other weapons.

>> No.46213034

>>46212963
Why do I never get assigned audit the fun units?

>> No.46213042

>>46213002
"Gay sex with hats on and no hands in pockets" is the default homepage on Army work computers now.

>> No.46213045

>>46212959
>not wanting to deadlift several tons by your lonesome
L O G I S T I C S

>> No.46213047

>>46213002
Look closely, you'll notice I've a second browser window open. That's where the fun stuff is.

>> No.46213050

>>46212941
>Constant air bombing isn't as glorious as a stand-up battle.

[LAUGHING BOMBER COMMAND]
[LAUGHING 8TH AIR FORCE]

>> No.46213063

>>46213034
Because the fun units are good at hiding their shit so they don't get audited.

>> No.46213075

sorry for that long wait, this update turned out heavier than expected. putting up a new thread!

>> No.46213089

>>46212941
>But you can't do war when your mid-level and senior leadership and logistics gets constantly assasinated by drones.

Brussels says otherwise.

>> No.46213092

>>46212901
The problem with stopping development of tanks, or any weapon system for that matter, isn't the immediate. It's thirty-forty years down the line when everyone who didn't stop is sporting shiny new shit and you're stuck with crusty old tin cans because you didn't NEED the shiny shit.
Imagine if Germany had stopped after the invasion of France, seen their Pz Is and IIs that won the war for them up until that point and said "Yep, this is fine. Surely we won't need anything more"

Or, for a more concrete example, see Japan circa 1942

>> No.46213099

>>46213034
Cause it sucks to suck? And I only do this level of stupid shit off the clock, mostly.

>> No.46213107

>>46212962
Way ahead of ya

>> No.46213108

New thread without reaching image cap...

THE END IS NIE!!!

>> No.46213114

>>46213016
Hey, you still want that Naka figurine? Cause I managed to procure one for you.

>> No.46213117

>>46212917
I'd probably use it for ENHANCED STRENGTH so I can just fuck around, breaking cinder blocks with a single punch, try to mount guns on the arms or shit.

>> No.46213118

>>46212908
>v1.11 Release Candidate
How are the new changes? I haven't bothered grabbing the prereleases since I don't got time to play
>>46213075
o boy

>> No.46213139

>>46213012
Oh sure. The big problem though is still power storage. In a loading bay you can avoid this by having it plugged in to the power grid, but on patrol...

>> No.46213140

>>46212941
>Constant air bombing isn't as glorious as a stand-up battle
Curtis Lemay is staring at you in disappointment.

>> No.46213154

>>46213092
Or the state of the Russian jet fighter industry after the collapse of the USSR. They STILL haven't figured out how to pull themselves away from the Flanker airframe or develop actual engines for it.

>> No.46213174

>>46213050
HELLO
MODERN WARFARE CALLED
MOST YOUR SHIT IS NOW DONE BY DRONES AND DISGRUNTLED STRIKE FIGHTERS

>>46213089
Brussels was a rushed attack by a terrorist cell because they feared getting caught because one of their own squealed on them.
ISIS is like a franchise. You're far away from sandniggerstan say that you pledge your loyalty to to ISIS. Congratulations, now all you have to do is kill a lot of takfiri apostates while we figure out how to run a medieval caliphate while most of the world's militaries try to kill us.

>> No.46213175

>>46213089
>Murdering civilians and not affecting the country in any tangible way is war now.

Ugh right then.

>> No.46213176

>>46213092
Well that's why you do incremental development, not the "whole new platform". That way many of the systems needed are already advanced by the time you need a whole new combat platform to mount them on.

>> No.46213186

>>46213152

new thread!

>> No.46213198

>>46213114
Refresh my shit memory of this discussion.
>>46213118
All I can say is this: Pier Ops and edit aircraft and edit docked boats hot keys. I don't care about the rest of it.

>> No.46213232

>>46213176
Which, you know, IS EXACTLY WHAT THE M1A3 IS.

Besides that, incremental upgrades aren't the be-all, end all. Eventually, you're going to reach a dead end in some aspect. And by the time you've reached that point, with all the money you've spent on incremental upgrades, you could have just built a new platform.

>> No.46213234

>>46213139
>Oh sure. The big problem though is still power storage
Yeah, and that's a problem for a *lot* of other things. We're still on the same old fucking chemical batteries that we've been running for decades upon decades now - everything since lead/sulphuric acid reactions in a wooden box has been iterative improvements.

If the nerds at DARPA or in the private sector can figure out a new way to store electrical energy then that would be a fucking *huge* innovation, probably comparable to the advent of cheap steel in industrial quantities. Not glorious, but an entire fucking era was built on that shit.

>> No.46213253

>>46212655
Yeah. And we're not going to be getting into a fight against top-line russian or chinese tanks anytime soon. Because nuclear weapons kinda take all the fun out of direct wars between great powers, escort it behind the building and shoot it in the head.

For pretty much any realistic scenario we're facing in the predicable future, M1A2SEP is bordering on overkill as it is. Better to invest into lighter vees, drones and similar more pressing sectors while keeping a M1A3 or completely new MBT design on the backburner to have the ability to implement it when we actually need it in the future.

>> No.46213264

>>46212782
>we're the ones who eventually have to pull out due to public outcry.

So you understand that terrorists are political animals, so when you say "they're winning" you must, by necessity, think that they're winning the war of wills.

Dunno about that bro.

>> No.46213298

>>46213174
>HELLO
>MODERN WARFARE CALLED
>MOST YOUR SHIT IS NOW DONE BY DRONES AND DISGRUNTLED STRIKE FIGHTERS

>having to contact an entire fucking other branch of service and wait for them to take their sweet fucking time to come over and please bomb these tanks

>relying on not-necessarily-a-given air superiority

it is best if the army can solve the army's own fucking problems without having to ask someone else nicely.

>> No.46213313

>>46213253
This is not 1942 friend. You can't put a design on the back burner and expect it to be produced in any reasonable quantities anytime soon.

>> No.46213349

>>46212782
>they're winning

Terrorism isn't a winning tactic, it's one used out of desperation because you can't actually hit your enemy in ways that truly hurt. ISIS is stepping up terrorist attacks because they're getting their shit kicked in in Iraq and Syria and need cheap propaganda coups, not because it's their first choice of action.

>> No.46213363

>>46213298
THEN WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE THEM THE A10s ALREADY. ITS NOT LIKE YOU FUCKS ACTUALLY LIKE THE THING

>> No.46213384

>>46213174
>MOST YOUR SHIT IS NOW DONE BY DRONES AND DISGRUNTLED STRIKE FIGHTERS

the day a reaper drone can search a house and kidnap a HVT maybe you'll have a point

>> No.46213398

>>46212908
>Mack
>Central Timezone
>VOCALOID

Gotta work on your OPSEC there, sir

>> No.46213416

>>46213384
>bombers
>doing grunt work
???

>> No.46213480

>>46213075
panic?

>> No.46213494

>>46213398
... and like that you've lost me I think, some of me at least, cause you're right I do apparently need to work on OPSEC now wtf is this about those singing robots?

>> No.46213533

>>46213384
>the day a reaper drone can search a house and kidnap a HVT maybe you'll have a point
Man, I bet they're working on it.

>> No.46213656

>>46213494
Not familiar with Vocaloids?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYNjImDlS9E

>> No.46213709

>>46213656
I know what they are Anon just randomly fucking said it and I was rather confused since it didn't make sense.
>>46213398
Also, of course I'm in CT, I've already stated I'm in San An.

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