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I came a little
ok I came a lot, but more for the implications than this one

>> No.42352517

>>42352278
To bad its trash.

>> No.42352661

>>42352278
Don't forget the 10/10 for 10 that gives you another 10/10 when you cast it.

>> No.42352663

Honestly should cost 1GU for that ability.

>> No.42352684

>>42352278
What happens when you play an Awaken spell on that, and then use its ability?

>> No.42352693

>>42352684
it becomes a 3/3/ hexproof instead of a 0/0 until end of turn.

>> No.42352713

>>42352693
Do the counters from Awaken still apply?

>> No.42352744

>>42352713
yes, because they're +1/+1 counters

>> No.42352757

>>42352713
theoretically you could build your own eldrazi by awakening a manland. That's assuming you have a lot of disposable mana and have made it that far in the game, and your opponent doesn't have removal. Therefore I see this being a viable control deck, since that can limit all of those factors and make the distance.

Expect to see a lot of control decks.

>> No.42352759

>>42352713
Not the guy but I think it should since it is still a land with counters on it.

>> No.42352794
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42352794

Neat

>> No.42352811

>>42352794
>man lands
>high cost finishers
>instant speed oblivion ring
>the eldrazi suck

shaping up to be a control meta.

>> No.42352847

>>42352794
Why does that have the rare marking on the bottom? Because it's quasi-full art?

>> No.42352849

>>42352811
>>42352794
Side question that may not even be relevant, but don't cards like this, O Ring, Banishing Light, Detention Sphere, etc dodge things like "Protection from White" in some way?

>> No.42352856

>>42352847
it's a promo

>> No.42352871

>>42352849
no, it is an ability of a white source that targets.

they dodged Emrakul's protection from colored spells because the spell itself doesn't target, it's an ability of the permanent that targets.

>> No.42352876

>>42352849
No.

>> No.42352883

>>42352849
no, because it is a white permanent that tries to target.

You're probably thinking of why these effects can target Emrakul, and that is because Emrakul has protection from colored SPELLS, while these enchantments target after they come into play, and stop being spells (instead they are permanents)

>> No.42352900

>>42352871
>>42352876
>>42352883
Roger

>> No.42352907

>>42352849
no. the trick of o-rings was that it got you around Emrakul, who couldn't be the target of spells, but COULD be the target of abilities.

Protection, hexproof, shroud, all block o-ring type effects. Though I don't think wizards is big on bringing back protection.

>> No.42352913

>>42352517
Eh, said it in the other thread already but it bears repeting: this is clearly the 3rd best Zendikar manland.

>> No.42352940

>>42352913
Of course, we're about to have 4 other manlands so who knows where Lumbering Falls will stand at the end of this. But yeah, Hexproof is really nice. Definitely third best manland.

>> No.42352974

>>42352278
Enemy manlands make me fucking excited.

>>42352517
It's not bad at all, you dunce.

>> No.42352978

>>42352913
>3rd best
I'd say it's around stirring wildwood level, and nowhere near ravine, tarpit, or colonnade

>> No.42352988

>>42352913
Not even close, Treetop Village, Faerie Conclave, Raging Ravine, Celestial Colonnade and Creeping Tar Pit are all better than it.

>> No.42353011

>>42352988
>Treetop Village, Faerie Conclave,
Zendicar manlands you dunce, not Urza's block

>> No.42353030

>>42352988
Said zendikar manlands.
>>42352978
The manland-ability is a lot better than Raging Ravine's but the colours might be worse.

>> No.42353041

>>42352978
I will say I love the hexproof though, it just feels underwhelming when two of the top 3 get evasion
I guess it's time to build a "Kill 'em all, Johnny" control deck so the lack of evasion is irrelevant

>> No.42353044

>>42353011
Either way, there are at least 3 other Manlands that are better than it. I would even go so far as to say that Lavaclaw Reaches is better but that's dependent on the deck it goes in.

>> No.42353062

>>42353044
Again, we were comparing Zen manlands, and for the record mutavault is a lot better than this as well. And lel, lavaclaw isn't even close to this one.

>> No.42353076

>>42353030
>but the colours might be worse.
Well, I'm going to try to jam bug control in some way shape or form so a hexproof punchy is pretty good, I just hope the GB one is more exciting

>> No.42353081

>>42353062
>3-mana 2/2 with firebreathing isn't good late-game on an empty board in a control deck
Idk what you're smoking m8 but let me have some

>> No.42353101

Kiora, Master of Depths

[+1]: Untap up to 1 target creature and up to 1 target land.

[-2]: Reveal the top 4 cards of your library. You may put up to 1 creature card and up to 1 land card in your hand. Place the rest into your graveyard.

[-8]: You get an emblem with "Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, you may have it fight target creature." Put three 8/8 blue octopus creature tokens onto the battlefield.

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I want to cum inside Kiora

>> No.42353125
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>>42353101
Forgot pic, also Ob Nixilis was confirmed as what was spoiled earlier

>> No.42353133
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42353133

Ob Nixilis Reignited
3BB
Planeswalker - Ob Nixilis
[+1]: Draw a card. You lose 1 life.
[-3]: Drestroy target creature.
[-8]: Target opponent gets an emblem with "When you draw a card lose 2 life."

>> No.42353138

>Kiora's art
Hnnmghf.

>> No.42353150

>>42353076
Oh I just realized how mad I'll be if it's another Svogthos

>> No.42353168

>>42353150
It will almost certainly just have death touch, which will be super lame.

>> No.42353196

>>42353133
MY DICK

>> No.42353212

>>42353125

Knowing Kiora can have all the Big Hentai Tentacles she wishes makes me insecure about my masculinity

would cuck

>> No.42353230

>>42353133
Ult is trash, rest is decent.

>> No.42353241

>>42352757
Yeah. Manlands with good keywords on them combo nicely with awaken, but need Ramp to do much outside of late game.

>> No.42353253
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42353253

>>42353133
I know what my next kitchen table deck will be

>> No.42353258
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>>42353101
Oh fuck that ult

>> No.42353280

>>42353230
I get the feeling that Ob Nixilis is designed as kind of a control mirror breaker, +1 gives you extra card advantage, -3 takes care of threats that they might play (but let's face it, control decks will be playing hexproof/indestructible threats anyway) and the ultimate kills your opponent the longer the game goes on and punsihes cards like Dragonlord's Prerogative

>> No.42353288

>>42353101
>that -2
Nice.
>that art
My genitals.

>> No.42353307

>>42353125
what's wrong with her right eye? is she blinking?

>> No.42353317

>>42353307
I didn't even looked at it.

>> No.42353333

>>42352278
Mishra's Factory also gives a 3/3 blocker but for a much lower cost.

>> No.42353334

>>42353280
>-3 takes care of threats that they might play (but let's face it, control decks will be playing hexproof/indestructible threats anyway)
it punishes control players using awakening as their wincon.

>> No.42353348

>>42353133
That's epic, i pulled a m15 ob nixilis the other day

>> No.42353349
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42353349

>>42353253
>Whenever a permanent
>PERMANENT

/tg/ is bad at magic confirmed YET AGAIN.

>> No.42353359

>>42353133
is it me or is liliana vess better?at least i would prefer her,but i like him

>> No.42353383

>>42353288

I blame MTG for giving me this fucking mythical creature fetish. Elves, mermaids, dryads, faeries, whatever, I wanna bang em now.

Anyways, Kiora is sweet, and works fantastic in a ramp strategy. I could easily see ramp decks shifting from R/G to U/G or maybe even Temur.

>> No.42353384

>>42353349
it is not an infinite combo you retard, he was just saying that he likes the interaction

>> No.42353385

>>42353359
They do completely different things?

>> No.42353392

>>42353359

Assuming you mean Innistrad Liliana, yeah she's definitely better, which isn't fair to Ob since she's the second best planeswalker card after Walletsculptor.

>> No.42353398

>>42353349
Yes I know, it just work well with Ob Nixilis -3.

>> No.42353399

>>42353253
>I know what my next kitchen table deck will be

...will it be terrible?

>> No.42353421

>>42353359
You're stupid.
Ob Nixils is a Necropotence with a few extra effects. No other Planeswalker even comes close.

>> No.42353426

I honestly can't evaluate planeswalkers

>>42353101

All of those seem alright, but hardly groundbreaking especially with no 1 mana dorks in Standard. The best you could do is turn three Kiora with Rattleclaw Mystic and then still have 2 mana left for.. something? The ultimate is ridiculous, but takes 4 turns to cast.

>>42353133

This guy I just don't like.

>> No.42353445

>>42353307
Jason Chan now works for Dreamworks

>> No.42353446

>>42353385
pretty different , but comparable
>>42353392
i mean the one in standard right now that costs 5.

>> No.42353452

>>42353421
Ob is 5 million miles away from Necropotence.

Think Phyrexian Arena

>> No.42353455

>>42353399
Of course it will be a UB mill suicide deck, but it will be fun.

>> No.42353465

>>42353421
>Ob Nixils is a Necropotence with a few extra effects
Uh, no?

>> No.42353475

>>42353125
Whelp, tentacles, sure I'm for it

>> No.42353481

>>42353168
BG decks already have a spattering of manlands so I really wouldn't get my hopes up.

>> No.42353486

>>42353421
i am pretty surepart of necropotence's appeal was drawing many cards not one.i can accept you telling me vess is shit compared to him, but are you now saying he is bettter than mind sculptor and liliana of the veil?

>> No.42353500

>>42353421

>Ob Nixilis is literally a strictly better Necropotence

C'mon now with the hyperbole.

>> No.42353503

>>42353426
Kiora might be good in BUG where you can use her abilities to help you pull ahead. Ob Nixilis is insane, board control and card advantage with tech for the mirror match all rolled into one.

>> No.42353504

>>42353125
Wait, is that Thassa's Bident she's holding?

>> No.42353522

>>42353481
>tfw playing Jund and no cool new toys in bfz

>> No.42353523

>>42353504
Why does nobody remember this? She got into a fight with Thassa and planeswalked away with it.

>> No.42353526

>>42353101
And she still can't go in my Wrexial deck. Anyone know any leviathan themed GBU commanders?

>> No.42353539

>>42353526
Mimeoplasm?

>> No.42353554
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>>42353421
>Ob Nixils is a Necropotence
Dude, no.

>> No.42353555

>>42353523

Yes it is. She stole it from Thassa.

>>42353504

Not everyone reads the awful lore posts and it's nowhere obvious in a card that she did it.

>> No.42353559

>>42353523
to be fair, the results of the fight were recent-ish on uncharted realms.

>> No.42353583

>>42353133
I can dig it.

>> No.42353585

>>42353133
This is Jace if he was born black and one mana too expensive to be good.
First pick in draft, playable in standard (being in dank colors helps), nice for EDH. Won't see play anywhere else.

>> No.42353595
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>>42353554

The original art is so fucking good. Why would they do this?

>> No.42353633

>>42353595
It existed would be my opinion of it.

>> No.42353638

>>42353555
>Not everyone reads the awful lore posts and it's nowhere obvious in a card that she did it.
>tfw read that one article because it had both of your magic fish waifus in it

>> No.42353642
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42353642

Conning through

would run in my Nylea EDH

>> No.42353660

>>42353585
Pretty much this, 100%.

[spoilers]It still gives me a boner, though.[/spoilers]

>> No.42353663

>>42353642
>Riku EDH
>Pay 12 mana for 4 10/10 fatties
Still not good enough

>> No.42353667

>>42353642
Twins they were!
Pandemonium Tron when?

>> No.42353672
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42353672

It's a thing

>> No.42353677

>>42353663
you only get 3 if you riku him.

>> No.42353698

>>42353672
>while it has a +1/+1 counter on it
It's shit.

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42353704

>>42353125
>that art
>dem hips

>> No.42353710

>>42353672
Combos with Dromoka's Command

>> No.42353720

>>42353698
Were you that guy from the other thread who thought it would just be immune to damage for some reason?

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>>42353672
>While it has a +1/+1 on it

I knew it was coming and yet I'm still disappointed.

>> No.42353737
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42353737

Ob Nix's ult was mistranslated. Here's the actual one.

>> No.42353741

>>42353672

literally tarmogoyf. Pre-order yours now.

>> No.42353744

>>42353672

This should be rare at best.

>> No.42353748

>>42353677
Rites of Replication - where if your god now?

>> No.42353750

>>42353642

Ew, Eldrazi are now just vanilla creatures? What happened to Annihilator? These guys don't even have the mill thingy.

>> No.42353758
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42353758

Kiora translated.

>> No.42353773

>>42353758
That fucking body man. Jesus.

>> No.42353778

>>42353750
They really should have at least had Trample.

>> No.42353783

>>42353672
For everyone saying this card is shit: while I don't disagree, don't forget most cards haven't been spoiled yet. And don't forget we might get multiple ways to generate multiple +1/+1 counters. Never forget that, guys. This bloke simply depends on that sort of stuff.

>> No.42353787

>>42353735
>>42353698

It gives itself counters whenever you play a land. There's also bunch of +1/+1 counter synergy cards floating around for new Standard in GW.

it's still shit, but hey!

>> No.42353793

>>42353750

Annihilator is gone forever, and rightfully so.

>> No.42353800

>>42353758
porn when?

>> No.42353809

>>42353783
Shame all those Awaken counters can't be dumped on it.

>> No.42353824

>>42353783
Really it just forces you to play stuff like Nissa's Pilgrimage and other ramp spells that actually put lands into play

Or Dromoka's Command the shit out of it

>> No.42353835

>>42353741

"literally tarmogoyf"

Not even close, new player. Even if it was a close approximation, Tarmogoyf is still miles better than this rotting piece of shit.

>> No.42353841
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42353841

Haven't seen this guy posted yet.

>> No.42353852
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42353852

>>42353741
they already reprinted tarmogoyf though, don't you pay attention to eternal formats?

>> No.42353863

>>42353672
Needs trample.

>> No.42353876

>>42353758
Kiora seems pretty underwhelming compared to the other two walkers of the set,

>> No.42353882

>>42353863
That can apply to a lot of things in this set.

>> No.42353896
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42353896

New Drana confirmed as well

>> No.42353905

>>42353824
We still have fetchland in standard.

>> No.42353907

>>42353642
I'd like to say it would be good in Animar EDH, but aside from giving you 2 10/10s it doesn't do much else for you

>> No.42353917
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Guide to Destruction {6}
Creature - Eldrazi
When you cast Guide to Destruction, you may search your library for a colorless creature card with converted mana cost 7 or higher, shuffle your library, then put that card on top.
The first creature spell you cast each turn costs {2} less.
5/5

>> No.42353919

>>42353896
>New Drana
Plz No

I still have PTSD from the last one

>> No.42353925

>>42353896
that looks fucking terrible


wotc needs to bump their artist pay up

>> No.42353936

>>42353925

I think they just need less shit artists in general. Magic's art has gone to shit over the past 8 years or so.

>> No.42353937

>>42353737
oh wow, that ult changes things a bit

>> No.42353942

>>42353737
Well, now I can see his ult getting used every once in a while and the synergy makes sense. I wish it were 3 life just to match his original card's design.

>> No.42353946

>>42353917

My dick is so hard right now

>> No.42353954

>>42353917
Eh, maybe? Only putting it on top is kinda lame, but it does still make things cost 2 less and is a 5/5 for 6.

Might work nicely if you could get more value from the cost decrease by using things with Flash.

>> No.42353956

>>42353125
the +1 basically doubles the rate at which you can beef up Hangarback Walker

>> No.42353958

>>42353917
It's cool.

>> No.42353967

>>42353936
they have kept the pay the same despite inflation, so it's going down. Despite the game being more popular than ever as well.

>> No.42353972

>>42353954
A 5/5 eye of ugin. I can be down with that.

>> No.42353975

>>42352794
I got really exited when I first saw this thing. But it's basically just a white murder with a downside.

>>42353758
Is better than the old Kiora in my opinion. Also, proof that WoTC haven't completely abandoned cheesecake art.

>> No.42353998

>>42353426
Nah man you're getting it wrong with how Kiora works, you don't +1 her the turn she comes in:

Turn 2 - Mana Dork
Turn 3 - Kiora, -2 for instant card advantage (and if she dies, you still did something with her)
Turn 4 - +1 Kiora, have 7 mana for whatever creature she found last turn. Something giant and green, or an eldrazi for instance.

>> No.42354002

>>42353841
The name and colors and art and mechanics are a mess, jesus.

Bring to Light is a white name.
The art looks red/black.
The card is blue/green
The effect is black.

I mean, I guess it is designed to be a 5-color card? Its so fucking weird though.

>> No.42354006

>>42353758
She has a bellybutton. Does that mean Merfolk in mtg give birth to live young? I just presumed they made spawn.

>> No.42354019

>>42353946
>>42353917
Wait, is that a dick on it's chest?

>> No.42354031

>>42353925
>>42353936
A fuck ton of artists quit a few months back.

The pay is shit and the new chick in charge gives them zero freedom at all, they used to get a rough outline of what the card needs to have but now wotc holds their hand and demands it looks exactly as they want.

I remember the artists talking about it on leddit

>> No.42354034

>>42353917
Oh boy oh boy, here we go.

>> No.42354037

So casting an Awaken spell for its Awaken cost isn't a mode right? What happens if you Twincast an Awakened spell? Does it also Awaken or just the base spell?

>> No.42354050

>>42353841
Can give you a savage knuckle blade pretty easily.

Converge just seems like a weird mechanic to me. It seem like the spell should be colorless. It's also just the fact that if you're playing 5 colors (to get the best out of converge) there's not a 5 cmc creature really worth devoting too much time to cheating out.

>> No.42354056

>>42354019
It looks less like a dick and more like a severed glans, but yes, it is a very phallic ridge

>> No.42354071

>>42354031

Doesn't surprise me, I have heard that their recent art director has been a huge bitch.

Anybody notable quit?

>> No.42354072

>>42354019
>iAMthewierdestboner.jpg

>> No.42354081

>>42354037
It's an alternate cost so yes to your second question

>> No.42354092

>>42353917


wow, its shit.

>> No.42354096

Almost all of the rares/ mythics feel like they should have gone done a rarity, if it weren't for limited

>> No.42354103

>>42353642
New zendikar eldrazi are EVA angels, discuss

>> No.42354112

>>42354037
it's not a mode, it's an alternate casting cost.

if you say, twincast coastal discovery, the copy of coastal discovery checks on resolution whether you paid the extra cost for it, sees that you didn't as it's a free copy, and resolves without the second half of the spell

>> No.42354116

>>42352757
Can't you awaken a land multiple times?

I suppose it's a janky trash deck you could try and make for Standard. UGx Awaken, where you pile counters on a Lumbering Falls and just hexproof it whenever the opponent tries spot removal.

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>>42354071
Mohrbacher who was their last good artist.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&artist=[%22Peter%20Mohrbacher%22]

>> No.42354119

>>42353642

mite be cool as ammunition for the thrower guy.

>> No.42354125

>>42353824
I suppose BFZ will give us at least one ramp spell. Hopefully it'll be decent. Best case scenario, we'll be getting either Farseek or Rampant Growth. If we do, then I wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility that this guy would get played.

>> No.42354134

>>42354103

If so, they did a shit job.

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>>42354056
>>42354072
>>42353917
>>42354019

>> No.42354141
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My deepest apologize to those expecting a steppe Lynx reprint.

>> No.42354144

>>42354112
>706.10. To copy a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability means to put a copy of it onto the stack; a copy of a spell isn’t cast and a copy of an activated ability isn’t activated. A copy of a spell or ability copies both the characteristics of the spell or ability and all decisions made for it, including modes, targets, the value of X, and additional or alternative costs.

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>>42354103
"Just get in the fucking robot, Jace!"
- Urza

>> No.42354165
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>>42353936
Really isn't much in terms of stylistic art anymore. We still get a few good ones each set, but it's not really the same sadly.

>> No.42354173

>>42354117
Fuck

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>>42354125
>farseek in bfz with tango duals
It's a little early in the day to be saying such lewd things

>> No.42354196

>>42354165
>>42354117

A shame really. The only decent artist left is Neilsen from what I know.

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>>42354140

>> No.42354216

Enemy Manlands confirmed split between BFZ and OGW.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/128567410518/is-bfz-going-to-have-all-5-enemy-colors-manlands

>> No.42354226

>>42354031
>the new chick in charge
MAGIC IS DEAD

>> No.42354241

T 1 land
T2 mana dork
T3kiora
T4eldrazi tutor just spoiler
T5ulamog
I didn't even like ramp anymore

>> No.42354266
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>>42354173
Pretty much, pay is shit and zero freedom while everything needs to be CGI dogshit is why he left.
>so when I'm asked to draw a specific ogre, wearing a specific suit of armor, in a specific situation, fighting a specific guy while on fire, things just get boring.

>> No.42354297

>>42354117
Awww, shit. He's responsible for the best art on the worst planeswalker.

>> No.42354312

>>42354002
How is Bring to Light a white name, other than the fact that it has "light" in it? You know it's an idiom, right?

>> No.42354314

>>42354165
The thing is, once you've gotten to be as large as an established brand as MtG is, you need to be aesthetically consistent. We obviously remember the great pieces of art from early magic, but we usually forget the terrible, cartoon level, something a child could have done quality of art that existed along with the gems. So instead of having a couple of diamonds and an equivalent amount of shits, we get a consistent not-terrible. And we still get a few great pieces here and there, with the better consistency

>> No.42354333

>>42353896
That one is fugly.

>> No.42354340

>>42354314
Mate, I've heard more than person I know bitch about how samey modern mtg art is.

>> No.42354349

>>42353917
>The first creature spell you cast each turn costs {2} less.
Nice one.

>> No.42354360

>>42354340
I'm not saying its not samey, I'm saying it's the lesser of the two evils (and the obvious business decision for WotC)

>> No.42354364

>>42353809
That's why we've got Daghatar.

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>>42354241
>t2 mana dork

>> No.42354406

>>42354360
>implying most of it isn't shit anyways
The fact that it's not as brown and more consistent doesn't change that. At least it had an impact before.

>> No.42354413

>>42354241
>T2 mana dork
Something feels really wrong when this is the norm.

>> No.42354459

>>42354413
Maybe of they slow down the meta enough, those 5+ mana red spells they keep printing might actually see play.

>> No.42354461

>>42354406
Tons of new cards still have artistic impact, maybe it's the you remove the nostalgia goggles. Or did you not consider that the pieces of art that have had such an impact on you was because you encountered them in your formative years, when you were most open to having outside stimulus shape you

Ilibe the first one to admit that they went overboard with the CGI in origins, but that doesn't discount that great art that has been coming in since they tightened up their (art) design philosophy

>> No.42354463

>>42354413
>Something feels really wrong when this is the norm.

We have 5 mana wraths and 3 mana counterspells, they are experimenting with a different speed for standard. It opens up new avenues and closes some down, I personally think it will increase the number of viable standard decks and hopefully increase diversity.

>> No.42354474

>>42354192
I have a dream.

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>>42352278
hide return to judaism threads
hide return to judaism posters
do not reply to return to judaism posts

>> No.42354510

>>42354463
Alternatively, enough mistakes slip through the cracks to make a good-stuff deck that dominates the format.

>> No.42354517

>>42354370
>>42354413
sorry for triggering you, maybe they will be back in the next set

>> No.42354526

>>42354463
>We have 5 mana wraths and 3 mana counterspells
We also have absurdly powerful 2 and 3 drops.

Making the whole lets scale everything back a mana idea fucking retarded.

>> No.42354533

>>42354517
doubt it

>> No.42354539

I really hope wizards print some decent land removal like Ghost Quarters, or this is going to be yet another very long midrange vs control season.

The fact that wasteland isn't even in the reserve list makes me imagine really nice (but impossible) things

>> No.42354540

>>42354463
Yeah. Having Standard be full of these slower and more expensive cards isn't bad, just different.

The only trouble is it means most cards won't end up very modern playable, though that's usually the case anyway.

>> No.42354553

>>42354509
Fuck off kike.

>> No.42354586

>>42354266
>Has to be CGI
>One of biggest complaints from customers is too much CGI
>MtG is known for having diverse set of art techniques used for their art, from water colours and rough sketches to CGI and photoshoped photorealistic images.
Are wizards trying to kill magic at this point?

>> No.42354603

>>42354586
It really seems like it

>> No.42354612

>>42354461
Mate, great art has been coming since Alpha, doesn't change the fact that most of the new art is bland. I'd take Invasion or even Urza bloc with artistic vision over the samey eldrazi we have right now any day

>> No.42354645

>>42354226
Thinking the same thing.

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>>42354612
Or Masques block. Holy shit I love the art in that set!

It also has the best brainstorm too, IMO.

>> No.42354672
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>>42354517
Unlikely

>> No.42354684

>>42353133
He looks so happy.

>> No.42354694
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>>42354612
Of course you would.

>> No.42354704

>>42354672
>too strong at 1
>shit at 2
can't fucking win.

>> No.42354715

>>42354694
Still better than the new ulamog

>> No.42354721

>>42354612
Well, I'd rather have consistency than have to randomly see an asswipe foglio on a card. Also my point is that we STILL get great art but without the extremely terrible art on the other end of the spectrum. Like the high end outliers are still there, but the average has generally become better

Also, just FYI the eldrazi have all become samey because they're supposed to be since they're all spawn of only ulamog

>> No.42354726

>>42353125
Now wait a sec. how many planeswalkers we getting this set?

I thought the limit was two for each large set? Or are we doing something different now in the new standard? Cause with Gideon, and what I assume a new Nissa that brings the total with Ob Nixilis and Kiora up to 4.

>> No.42354739

>>42354694

It isn't great, but I would still take this over the generic sharp focus generic fantasy digital art bullshit we get on 99% of cards these days.

>> No.42354744

>>42354715
Yeah, right.

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>>42354715

>> No.42354753

>>42354721
Is this bait or denial

>> No.42354754

>>42354721
Mate, even if they're all the same shit doesn't mean you can't have different vision of them, look at early early sliver

>> No.42354761

>>42354726
5 per block, so likely Gideon, Ob and Kiora in BFZ and Nissa + ? in Oath.

>> No.42354783

So far
>Guide to destruction
>Ulamog the ceaseless hunger
>Stasis snare

are the only cards I am remotely interested in. The rest have been extremely hype sapping. Not even Theros made me lose my hype as much as BFZ is.

I expected this to be the glorious start to the upswing in power level because its fucking Zendikar but looks like I have to wait longer.

They could pull a bullshit and save it with future spoilers but I'm not holding my breath.

>> No.42354784
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>>42354739
It's not that it isn't great, it's shit. It's fine, but you're actually insulting the great leaps and bounds that Mark Poole made as an artist. And you're fucking lying out of your ass.

>> No.42354786

>>42354739
I'd rather have something that doesn't look like a 5 year old made it

I honestly could do better art than some of the shit pieces from before, and I'm sure you could, too. At least in this age of art design, I wouldn't be able to make that claim

>> No.42354792

>>42354761
We're pretty much confirmed to be getting Jace and Chandra in Oath, aren't we?

Besides, this whole thing is their fucking fault anyway.

>> No.42354802

>>42354694
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I like this card's art. Try Alpha's Stone Rain, worst stone rain.

>> No.42354812

>>42354761
Chandra

>> No.42354814

>>42354761
well jace and ugin are conversing in the flavor text of hedron archive, maybe they get new prints. although personally I was kind of hoping jace would get eaten by an eldrazi or something.

>> No.42354816

>>42354694
Ok everyone just look at this thing and show me something done in the last 10 years that could conceivably be considered worse than this

>> No.42354829

>>42354749
and?

>> No.42354839

>>42354802
Yeah, yeah, and the modern frame is shit, and manaburn should be a thing and damage stacking was great.

Fuck off.

>> No.42354848
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>>42354509
here you have the wrong image goy

>> No.42354850

>>42354461

Not that guy, but I still think overall the older sets were better in terms of art that resonated. Even the cartoony stuff is nowhere near as bad as the Treasure Cruise 1998 Myst CGI shit they use for some cards now. I think the raw, rustic feel of the old art lent itself way better to the flavor of the game and the fact that your deck is a "library". There's too much spastic CG art now that looks like it was just thrown in to keep the attention of the vidya addicts they're trying to convert

Every now and then though there's something like Surgical Extraction that feels like an old art

>> No.42354872

>>42354839
Damage stacking was great though.

>> No.42354876

>>42354792
For better or worse wizards considers Nissa as the 'main character' of Zendikar, closely followed by Gideon, so her attendance is guaranteed. It'll probably be Chandra + Nissa.

>> No.42354884

>>42354839
You just needed an excuse to yell about old mechanics anon, didn't you?

Banding was a good ability.

>> No.42354889

>>42353101
this + doubling season for etb ult is going to be so broken

>> No.42354892

>>42352517
What are you sending to bad its trash?

>> No.42354895

>>42353642
>No trample
>No flying or Reach
>No proc on attack ability's

I would pay 5 mana for both of them at most.

>> No.42354910

>>42353841
I loved Sunburst and I love the design of this card. I'm willing to bet there's a 4-color or 5-color control deck this Standard built around this card.

It won't make it in Modern though. Gifts Ungiven is better in almost every way, shape and form. The only advantage this has is that it plays the tutored card immediately, whereas Gifts still needs to cast the Unburial Rites on its next turn. That's mitigated by being instant-speed and not needing more than 2 colors, though. Bring to Light seems better suited to aggressive, value & based plays than combos.

>> No.42354914

>>42354019
It's a second torso/head. Gideon went up against it. Read uncharted realms bro.

>> No.42354918

>>42354884
Fucking THIS.

>> No.42354920

>>42353133

Yeah, that's immediately good. He provides value, protects himself and has high loyalty. He's going to be a Standard staple.

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42354921

>>42354839
>he didn't like damage on the stack

>> No.42354927

>>42353672
Why is this not a common? at Mythic this shit should be legendary and cost just G.

>> No.42354935

>>42354839

Except Burrowing looks like some freaky shit that would actually be in some ancient magic text and the art today looks like something that would be on an oversized computer game box with "ACTUAL SCREENSHOT" below it

>> No.42354948

>>42354850
>Treasure Cruise
>bad
Just because it actually respects the laws of perspective and lightning doesn't make it bad or unfit for a game about magic.

It actually feels pretty damn close to how awesome was Skyship Weatherlight to me at the time.

Jesus, you nostalgiafags.

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42354965

>>42354935
Keep talking.

>> No.42354969

>>42354850
I'm not denying that the freedom of the old age of design allowed for pieces that could have more impact but if we pitbit on a scale, let's say back then each said would have 2-3 10/10 artworks, a couple of 8-9/10 ones, then the average lot, then there'd be more than a few 2-3/10s. This age however, might not have a 10/10 anymore but it has more 8-9/10s, a lot better average, and no art going below 5-6/10

Also, it's worth noting that these arts had an impact on us when we were kids/ formative years, thus informing ournlikes/ dislikes and biasing the conversation

>> No.42354994

Where is the all is dust level art this set

>> No.42354997

>>42353125
>Still has G in the casting cost

Damn, it was almost playable too.

>> No.42355015
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42355015

Just gonna post shitty old card art that is much worse than burrowing. Also burrowing good art.

>> No.42355024

>>42354935
I literally had better doodles as a 12-year old than that card

>> No.42355037
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42355037

>>42355015

>> No.42355055

>>42355024
Prove it

>> No.42355060

>>42354672
>Too strong at one mana

A tone of things most notably burn is to good at X but shit at X+1. We need the unsets half mana. This game is fucking borked.

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>>42355037

>> No.42355082

>>42354117
Mohrbacher also did a pretty lengthy post on Reddit or his blog (or both, I don't remember where I read it) that basically outlined why he was fired/let go, and why he probably wouldn't go back to WotC unless various things changed.

Again, if memory serves the tl'dr version of it was:
> WotC pays like shit (their pay rate is from like 2000 or 2001 and hasn't changed at all, and it was only mediocre back then too)
> New art direction leaves very little room for flexibility or creative styling
> WotC won't let them sell their own art as individual prints, yet WotC can put their art on playmats, sleeves, booster packs, etc., and the artist doesn't see a penny of those sales
>

>> No.42355090

>>42355055
I don't need to, just ask your niece/ nephew to draw a molerat with a horn and I guarantee you it will come out better than the art on burrowing

>> No.42355105

>>42355067
Fucking earthbind man.

>> No.42355112

>>42355090
Burden of proof is on you, prove it.

>> No.42355129
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>> No.42355133

>>42355082
>WotC won't let them sell their own art as individual prints
Doesn't Terese Nielson do this?

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>>42353125
hooooly shit this makes me so fucking angry
like yeah she's good she's a value engine she synergizes with FUCKING Hangarback Walker, but they stripped out all the interesting parts of the old card. She barely protects herself (contrast with old Kiora, who had one of the best ways to protect herself in Magic), her ult is a joke in 90% of games (contrast with old Kiora, which had a very attainable ult due to its low cost and aforementioned protection), and her -2 is... actually that one's fine. It's just the natural evolution of her old -1.

still though, why the fuck did they turn an interesting durdley control walker into yet another piece of value for memerange decks to snap up.

>> No.42355145

>>42355082
I remember reading his article on Reddit. I found the article again on his blog.

The fucking thread was deleted from Reddit, I can't find it right now. Useless fucking place. I don't blame Reddit moderation from caving to Wizards' requests to dropping contentious issues, I blame the fucking community for being so blind to it.

>> No.42355154

>>42355129
Cant wait for the r34

>> No.42355156
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>>42355090
Why don't you ask yours, you contrarian faggot?

>> No.42355163

>>42355112
No man I'm saying you take a pencil right now and try to draw a unicorn mole, it will honestly come out better than burrowing no matter how hard you try to sabotage it.

Hell, it's almost 3am where I'm from but if this argument is still going when I wake up later, I will, with no artistic training whatsoever, make a drawing better than that

>> No.42355176

>>42354704
Pretty sure MaRo has said that if they could somehow introduce a half mana cost, then it'd make balancing a LOT easier. Like there are various effects that are either half a mana too cheap (and therefore are powerful) or half a mana too expensive (and therefore shit tier).

I think Phyrexian mana was them experimenting with that half-mana concept, but obviously that didn't work out all that well.

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>>42355156

>> No.42355183

>>42355129
THOSE FUCKING HIPS

>> No.42355204

>>42355163
Reminder that you need to have it convey burrowing, I'll be waiting

>> No.42355210

>>42355156
They're all asleep, but calm the fuck down. Even a blind man could see how shit burrowing looks like. I'll make one myself when I wake up tomorrow

>> No.42355212
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>> No.42355220

>>42354694
Mother fucker better not be hating on my Burrowing. I had custom sleeves made of this card.

>> No.42355234

>>42355183
i want kiora to sit on my face

>> No.42355235

>>42355176
Make cards only playable if you have an untapped land upon playing it. That way you can't play it super early game, but you can play it for the intended mana cost later in the game.

>Thunderbolt costs R for 3 mana
>can't be cast unless you'd have an untapped land (or other mana source) upon actually casting it

>> No.42355236

>>42355204
You got it, if this thread gets archived by the time I get to it, I'll look for you in the new spoiler thread

>> No.42355244

>>42355176
That would require them to have something to do with a half mana on T2 that is actually fucking useful.

>> No.42355253

>>42355133
I think most of what Terese Nielson sells is the art that she made before WotC did their updated pay structure and contract negotiations.

She also might be operating under an older contract (due to how long she's been working with WotC) so that she has those rights, compared to a newer artist (like Mohrbacher or Noah Bradley) who has to follow the new contract's rules.

>> No.42355255

>>42355163
I can literally promise you that no, I cannot draw better art than the mole rat from burrowing. I can barely draw stick figures. I took an art class once and was very politely kicked out by the teacher who told me she didn't think she could do anything for me. i fucking WISH i could make art that looks as good as burrowing

>> No.42355269

>>42355212
He'll die by the end of this set. Guarantee it.

>> No.42355273

>>42355129
>Kiora obsessed with finding tentacle monsters to fight other tentacle monsters
>Elspeth constantly bringing in a bunch of dudes
>Lilianna

Why are fem walkers so lewd

>> No.42355296

>>42355253
>She also might be operating under an older contract (due to how long she's been working with WotC) so that she has those rights
Probably, considering she's got an update on her website about limited edition prints of her FtV Akromas.

>> No.42355306

>>42355273
Wizards playing to the waifu crowd

>> No.42355323

>>42355273
Does that make Chandra a lesbian or something?

>> No.42355334

>>42355244
Well, the idea is actually to make some of the higher costed cards a bit more playable.

The example I remember is Clone, the 4U creature that copies another creature when it hits the battlefield. MaRo said it doesn't see much play at a 5 CMC, and making it cheaper (ala Phantasmal Image or Phyrexian Metamorph) makes the effect too powerful. The "sweet spot" for the effect is actually at 4.5 CMC.

>tfw you'll never see a 1/1 BoP at 1-2 cmc made

>> No.42355339

>>42355269
>Ob literally goes through hell and back
>Implying anything can stop him now
Watch as he gets more fucked up with every set that introduces him, yet somehow still comes out alive.

>> No.42355341

>>42355176
They need more not-mana costs. Unfortunately, that's Black's slice of the pie; an Elvish Mystic that also requires you to pay 1 life to cast it would be weird as hell. There's probably also stuff you can do with discarding a card and a nice ETB effect, that sort of thing. Maybe the Elvish Mystic of the future also gives an opponent 2 life or something, I don't know. 1 mana is almost a necessity for it to function, though, unless we do something like a 3-mana creature that taps for 2 mana?

>> No.42355350

>>42355273
>>Elspeth constantly bringing in a bunch of dudes
never occured to me until you mentioned it

>> No.42355393 [SPOILER] 
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>>42355323
What do you think?

>> No.42355400

>>42355334
>Phyrexian Metamorph
To be fair, that's basically a 3 cost card with a 2 life penalty that can be played in literally any deck, not a 4 mana card.

>> No.42355401
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>>42355323
Yes

It's pretty obvious when you consider how flaming she is

>> No.42355414

>>42355212
I like that he's still wearing part of his armor from the "Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath" art. It shows that he's really missed being a planeswalker plus that he's prideful enough to keep and maintain his old armor throughout the centuries he has been trapped on Zendikar.

>> No.42355415
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42355415

>>42355273
Because players are so low that they relate easier to a harlot than something that has personality. All the Planeswalkers are more or less one-dimensional retards.

Ideally we can have both a sexy waifu WITH personality but bottom line is that personality is too expensive to do.

>> No.42355417

>>42355253
Noah Bradley sells prints of his art

>> No.42355462

>>42355269
I don't think so. MTG has a way of seeding future threats in the present story and I genuinely think what happens here is he gets his spark and nopes the fuck away from the Eldrazi and becomes a big bad maybe right below Bolas in terms of threat.

Shit if the good walkers are forming the Avengers of Zendikar then Bolas and Obsy might get together and form the Masters of Evil.

>> No.42355472

So far the sets sitting at a 2/10 for me. They are going to have to blow me the fuck away with the rest of the spoilers to fix this mess. The main problem is Expeditions too. If that didn't exist it would only be a 6/10.

With it being 1 in like 215 packs its just not worth it. The odds are just way to low to make it worth buying packs but the fruit is way to good. It should be like 1 in 5 packs at most. With so many expedition cards and the odds so low the chance of you getting the card you want is next to nothing. This just pisses me off rather then making me hype and wanting to buy packs. They actively made me want to NOT buy packs the exact opposite of their goal with expeditions.

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>>42355415
#bringbackUrza

I think the worst thing Wizards has done, and I don't know if this is a recent thing or not, is to force a character's personality to strictly confirm to their color pie. It makes most mono colored walkers bland as hell.

I wonder what Lilianna's gonna do. Probably something selfish that only helps her. Wowwww

>> No.42355489

>>42355400
Which is why I think WotC experimented with Phyrexian mana to be that half mana cost (as 1 mana is worth approx. 2-3 life, thanks to Shock and Lightning Bolt).

>> No.42355490

>>42355415
i like your planeswalker,tell me more about her personality

>> No.42355513

>>42355341
They could stick with the more expensive versions if they add stuff that's worth that half mana. An Elvish mystic for 2 that Scrys when it ETBs, for example.

>> No.42355517

>>42355483
I REALLY like Urza, but in terms of game mechanics: what kinda card would planeswalkers like Urza and Serra even be?

>> No.42355518

>>42355472
>a very low chance of making some money is worse then no chance
congratulations anon

>> No.42355530

manland speculation?
b/w will probably be deathtouch or lifelink, with maybe flying if the land is some kind of angel

I really hope u/r is flying and prowess although it'll probably be just prowess

I got no idea what r/w would have though. it'll probably be double strike or vigilance

>> No.42355542

>>42355417
Yes, but note that basically all the prints he does sell are the land arts he makes for WotC, and unless it's a very important land (like the full art Godless Shrine he made for the Zendikar Explorations) I doubt we'll see him sell a print of that.

WotC doesn't care about if an artist sells a land art, they care when it's the artist selling a print of one of their characters (which is what you usually hired a Mohrbacher or a Nielson or a Bradley to make).

>> No.42355547

>>42355517
Serra's Ult had better give you an emblem that shits out Serra Angel Tokens every turn.

>> No.42355569

>>42355517
>>42355547
Urza would be U/R or U/R/x (I think someone said you could argue every color for Urza at some point in his life EXCEPT green) with some sort of artifact synergy in one of his abilities.

>> No.42355570

>>42355513
I feel like Rattleclaw Mystic makes the 2 cost more worth it. Shit ignoring Rattleclaws morph ability (which is good) I'd still pay 2 for her just for the mana fixing she does.

>> No.42355573

>>42355530
they might get more freaky then just adding a keyword, but if they don't bw will be definitely lifelink and rw first or double strike

>> No.42355582

>>42355490
She's a lewd, cunning, grandmotherly, powerful witch with a who slept with absolute everybody in her youth.

>> No.42355588

>>42355547
>Serra's Ult had better give you an emblem that shits out Serra Avatar Tokens every turn.
FIFY

>> No.42355592
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>>42355414
The pattern on his torso makes me think his armor merged with his body when he became a demon, but now it's starting to unfuse.

>> No.42355603

>>42355588
That's a bit much.

>> No.42355607

>>42355129
Crazy waist hip ratio while remaining perfectly believable and not one of those ERP monstrosities.

Hngf.

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>>42355592

>> No.42355616

>>42355144
>liking shitty old kiora more
>some much shiggity I can't even diggity

>> No.42355624
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>>42353841
>4-color Abzan Aggro
>Rhinos 5 thru 8

>> No.42355632

>>42355614
He's just angry turning into a demon caused him to lose his dick

Look at that crotch. Smoother than a barbie doll

>> No.42355644

>>42355603
>One of most powerful planeswalkers
>Able to creates her own planes
>Able to create beings of higher power and understanding
>4/4 flying vigilance tokens is too much.

>> No.42355651

>>42355592
True. Now that I really look, his helmet in the Black Oath art looks a lot like his demonic head and his new art does look like it's kinda separating from him.

>> No.42355653

>>42355592
You might have something there, because his helmet appears to be coming back around his head as well.

>> No.42355654

>>42355513
But the point of Elvish Mystic is to play a 3 drop on turn 2. Rattleclaws and Caryatids and still good, but they serve a different purpose.

>> No.42355666

>>42355517
This is just my opinion, so take it for what you will:

Urza would be colorless CMC (probably same CMC as Karn) or a UR cost (so 2UR). He'd make a 1/1 thopter as his +1, -2 lets you search your deck for an artifact + reveal then put into your hand, and the ult lets you put any # of artis from your deck onto the battlefield. Probably starting loyalty of 2, ult costing 9.

Serra would be WWW cmc, +1 gains life for each creature you control on the field, -3 to make a 4/4 angel, ult's an emblem that poops out four 4/4 angels every turn. Her starting loyalty is 3, and the ult cost is like a 7.

>> No.42355669

>>42355570
True. Multicolor mana dorks are usually worth 2.

Not sure how they could squeeze one back into 1 if they feel like its too powerful.

>> No.42355671

>>42354721
>randomly see an asswipe foglio on a card
I'll fucking fight you m8

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>>42355644
Nigga I suggested the 4/4 Flying Vigilance Tokens. The Serra Avatar tokens is too much.

>> No.42355691

>>42354540
>The only trouble is it means most cards won't end up very modern playable

They keep making mistakes, so I'm not too worried.

>> No.42355704

>>42355669
Make a flightless BoP? Leave it at a rare, just make it a 0/1 that taps for 1 mana of any color?

>> No.42355709

>>42355653
Waaiiiiiit you don't think he found a cure for the Chain Veil and he just needed his spark back to enact it and is in the middle of becoming a man again do you? Please imply there's a cure so Jace can go fix Garruk, the broest of bros.

All I want is for Garruk and Ajani to be planescops. Ugin would be their angry Chief of Police who's tire of how Garruk treats the perps but he gets results, dammit.

>> No.42355719

>>42352278
yissssssssssssssssss

>> No.42355723

>>42355691
>They keep making mistakes, so I'm not too worried

Gotta love R&D mistakes. Staples generally consist of overlooked cards by the R&D

>> No.42355725

>>42355709
>ugin wearing suspenders and sipping coffee while muttering under his breath how he cant wait to retire
fund it

>> No.42355745

>>42355709
So would that make Garruk the aggressive but effective detective, and Ajani's the griseled, weary, "I'm too old for this shit" detective?

>> No.42355755

>>42355725

>Nicol Bolas kills Ugin when he's two days from retirement

>> No.42355757

>>42353595
Either because they wanted it to fit their new all digital aesthetic...or they didn't want to pay the old artist under the terms of the old contract, which paid Magic artists far better than they do now.

>> No.42355775

>>42355666
>Urza same cmc as Karn
>generates 1/1 thopters, his crowning achievement as a teenager
>can ultimate 7 turns later
>Serra's -1 does nothing to protect her
>her -3 kills herself (tragically appropriate, anyway)
Back to your containment thread, Satan! Away!

>> No.42355784

>>42355745
Precisely! And Sarkhan fits in with those two...somehow. I feel like Sarkhan is definitely the shady guy who keeps giving them info on Bolas.

>> No.42355818

>>42355775
That Urza, because we though affinity needed something else to play with.

>> No.42355833

>>42355784
Sarkhan's the autistic nerdy guy they go to when they need some sort of IT help who has a bunch of dragon statues all over his room/desk

>> No.42355857

>>42355833
>Token asian IT guy
>Won't shut up about dragons
>The joke is no one cares

>> No.42355890

>>42354146
Given that the new set mechanic is basically Converge and the plot of this set is basically Invasion, I really concur with your choice of image.

>> No.42355891

>>42355857
Guys! Did you know that the dragons on Tarkir-my homeland-have antlers? Fucking antlers! Who knew?

>> No.42355907

>>42355462
In his last uncharted realm, it was implied that that the way he would eventually regain his spark involved the death of Zendikar. It was also stated that he was the only one who knew how to knew how to harness the true power of the hedrons.

>When they arrive, they will need to know what I know. The hedrons were created for this—a weapon like no other, and I may be the only one alive who knows how they work.

>And that the only cost to regaining my spark will be the complete obliteration of the world I hate most among them all?

The most popular theory is that whatever make Nissa recently lose her connection to Zendikar recently is related to whatever Obby did to Zendikar to regain his spark. If that's the case, he will 100% be killed by her, because WoTC fucking loves Nissa right now. Chances are he'll happen to spill the beans on the hedrons just before he dies.

>> No.42355909

>>42355784
Sarkhan's the new recruit who's a bit weird (mutters to himself) and originally was going to be a spy for Bolas on police activities, but after seeing Ugin's work ethic decides to be a good guy for reals.

>> No.42355930

>>42355907
For once I hope the villain lose. Fuck you wizard.

>> No.42355946

>>42355709
Jace and Chandra are a rival FBI duo from out of town who always fuck the case for everyone, but ends up helping in the nick of time to take credit

>> No.42355957

>>42355269
Please no.

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>>42355907
>>42355930
>Only one who knows how to harness the power of the hedrons
>Implying no Nahiri card in BFZ part 2

Can't have another character stealing any of the limelight away from the Origins 5 can we

I can't wait for the next block to have Gideon, Jace, Nissa, and Chandra showing up to help Lilianna causing her to join their little club

>> No.42355984

>>42355709
Nissa is the only thing standing in the way of Lethal Weapon: The Gathering

>> No.42356035

>>42355244
The best solution would be for unused mana to persist across turns, but obviously that's too huge a change to retrofit onto Magic.

>> No.42356042

>>42355542
First paragraph is wrong and you can go see that he sells more than just lands. Also can't tell whether you think he can sell the expedition land he drew, but he is selling that too

>> No.42356049

>>42355145
/r/magicTCG/comments/3c1c1m/the_problems_with_artist_pay_on_magic/

>> No.42356069

>>42356042
I didn't think Noah could sell the expedition land, but I guess so.

I don't know, maybe Noah worked out a specific contract with WotC than Mohrbacher did?

>> No.42356085

>>42354461
>they went overboard with the CGI in origins
They made Lorwyn CGI. Fucking Lorwyn, that's not "a little".

>> No.42356127

>Ashiok rotating
>Eldrazi care about shit being exiled

WIZARDS WHY!?

>> No.42356148

>>42356127
rip extended

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>>42355517
He'd be UR
His plus would create a Thopter.
His minus would be literally Tinker.
His ult would be an emblem that is basically Mind Over Matter.

>> No.42356166

>>42354413
>>42354370
I really hope we get an Elvish Mystic reprint spoiled soon. This shit is not okay

>> No.42356190

>>42356166
How about abor elf?

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>>42356155
>His plus would create a Thopter.
>His minus would be literally Tinker.

>> No.42356268

>>42356166
Mystic or Arbor Elf will be, just you wait. I mean, shit, this is Zendikar and we haven't had a single elf card.

>> No.42356314

>>42356268
>Super Arbor Elf
>G
>Rare
>[tap Super Arbor Elf]: Untap target land.

>> No.42356329

>>42356155
Seems like you'd need a ton of card draw to keep anything locked down for any amount of time

>> No.42356339

>>42356314
I'd play that at 1G.

>> No.42356367

>>42354850
If you wanna throw shit at bad art card, don't point your finger at Treasure Cruise. Point it at shit like Kraken of the Straits, Akroan Hoplite, Grasp of the Hieromancer or Valor in Akros.

>> No.42356378

>>42356339
Or UG and untap target permanent

>> No.42356379

>>42356339
Sorry anon, Voyaging Satyr is too strong for standard.

>> No.42356410

>>42356379
God damn it if I'd known this fucking existed.

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>>42356339

>> No.42356464

>>42356410
Kiora's Follower is even better.

>> No.42356484

>>42356329
If you've ever played at a table with a Mind over matter combo deck, you'd know the Untap part of the card is the much more important bit.

>> No.42356497

>>42356464
It's UG and therefore not nearly as splashable.

>> No.42356505

>>42356268
>>42356190
>>42356166
What if we got Elves of Deep Shadow?

>> No.42356509

>>42353954
Puts it on top right in time for a See the Unwritten?

>> No.42356550

>>42356509
If you have 12 mana, why aren't you just hard casting all the dicks?

>> No.42356576
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42356576

>>42355129

TIGHT

She's awakening my kraken, if you know what I mean.

>> No.42356588

>>42356550
Because I'm not gay.

>> No.42356592

>>42353672
So... the Judgment Phantom ability is mythic now?

That's silly.

>> No.42356606

>>42356505
That could be a pretty decent thing to base manadorks off of, tbh.

Elvish Mystic that pings you for 1.

>> No.42356643

>>42356208
It's the appropriate level of broken. Urza deserves nothing less than to be banned in Legacy and limited in Vintage.

>> No.42356666

>>42356606
They could also make 1 drop mana dorks that produce an off-color, like a 1/1 for G that can tap for W. A bit better for mutlicolor, but its effectively colorless if you're running something else.

>> No.42356668

>>42355616
she might've not been incredible but you can't argue that she was a more interesting card design-wise

>> No.42356673

>>42356127
i realized this yesterday and started crying
>>42356329
>he's never MoM'd a temple bell with eldrazi in his deck

>> No.42356690

>>42356505
I'd be sad because I don't play black.

>> No.42356701

>>42356666
Not really, unless you're intending to play something that's GGG on T3 it's effectively the same shit.

>> No.42356730

>>42356666
There's the deep shadow and there's a guy who makes a white mana. It'd be neat to have a whole cycle of off color dorks, though.

>> No.42356744

>>42356701
It is overall weaker though. They could also make it 0/1 instead so its more like a poor-mans bird of paradise.

>> No.42356778

>>42356668
*wasn't

>> No.42356781

>>42356592
>We tested it out on new players and despite our fail-safe of involving +1/+1 counters, they still didn't understand it so we made it mythic rare to compensate
based MaRo :^)

>> No.42356821

>>42356155
What about Yawgmoth as a card?

>> No.42356866

>>42355181
Nigga what? That's the best GG printed!

Fuck, /tg/ is not only bad at magic, but also shit at having a taste.

>> No.42356872

>>42356821
sure, you get "scheming politician" Yawgmoth, who has literally no power, 2 toughness, and taps to exile target artifact, for 3 colorless 1 black.

>> No.42356893

>>42356866
You can't even tell it's giant, though.

>> No.42356906

>>42356730

Yeah but that guy who makes white mana isn't an Elf so not allowed.

>> No.42356908

>>42353896
I'm down with a vampire ally drana.
I don't know who approved the initial sketches for the art though. She looks so stiff and awkward.

>> No.42356942

>>42356668
I can argue that she was less interesting my dick-wise.

>> No.42356950

>>42355644
I'm pretty sure all of the oldwalkers could create planes, they just tended to deteriorate, unlike natural planes.

>> No.42356964

>>42356821
Yawgmoth, the Ineffable
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
Legendary Creature - Human Artificer
Flash
When you cast Yawgmoth, the Ineffable, each player loses the game
When Yawgmoth enters the battlefield, destroy each other permanent.
Players can't win the game.
All lands are swamps.
When Yawgmoth dies, exile your graveyard and put Yawgmoth on top of your library.
5/5

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>>42356964
Ultimate should be Yagmoths Win(or maybe even in emblem form?)

>> No.42357032

>>42353896
>No bare skin because the art department now answers to the menopausic hag lead of PR.

>> No.42357035

>>42354672
Then let's just release 1drop mana dorks with disadvantage, like "you lose one life at the end of your turn" or whatever the fuck they want.

>> No.42357046

>>42356781
Are they actually using that reasoning?

>> No.42357062

>>42357032
nigger have you even seen kiora's new art? fuckin' think about shit before you type it

>> No.42357065
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42357065

>>42356821
This is your fault.

>> No.42357067

>>42350086
>Got a box of Darksteel for $250
>SoFaI, SoLaS and Ravager don't pay for it.
>6 Aether Vial do.

That's why uncommons suck nowadays.

>> No.42357080

>>42356942
no arguments there

>> No.42357084

>>42357035
More likely would be one that doesn't untap next turn if you tap it for mana.

>> No.42357117

>>42357046
No but it wouldn't surprise me if they did

>> No.42357120

>>42356155
>>42355569
>>42355666
>UR
Why everyone keeps saying Urza is UR? He has some red on him but he's more UB or Esper than UR.

>> No.42357150

>>42354969
>no art going below 5-6/10
New gideon.
The enchant "i wanna help" from Origins.

>> No.42357209

>>42357067
Because uncommons aren't uncommons anymore, they're commons that are too good in limited.

>> No.42357211

>>42357120
Urza was a man driven by his passions. At first, it was to find a way to save his brother. After he learned more about Phyrexia, it was about finding a way to end that threat.

He's also a crazy inventor dude, and that's very UR.

>> No.42357227

>>42357120
Because faggot older players identify themselves as UR because it's the color combination least likely to play creatures, which they insist are a cancer on the game. "Counter burn" is just a shitty archetype that they tout like some kind of badge of honor while they complain about power creep. Urza is synonymous with how the game was years ago and they need to identify with that personification to complete their delusion

>> No.42357248

>>42355269
Fine with me.

>> No.42357307

>>42356821
Should have devotion to Phyrexian mana.

>> No.42357322

>>42357209
>>42357067
>Mythics = Actual rares
>Rares = Uncommons
>Uncommons = Commons that are too good in limited
>Commons = commons

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>>42356866

>hat's the best GG printed!


ufuckingwotm8

>> No.42357346

>>42357322
>Commons = garbage

FTFY

>> No.42357362

>>42357346
Eh. We still occasionally get decent ones.

>> No.42357398

>>42354314
>>42354340
>>42354360
>>42354586
The thing is, once you get this big, it stop being about the customer and starts being about the executives, shareholders and their "vision" of what's good for the product, just like Hollywood.

So say goodbye to the sporadic Pulp Fiction, it's all Electric Boogaloo from now on. And with a bitch in charge, it'll be SJW approved staleness on top.

>> No.42357510

>>42353253
As a monored player, FUCK turbofog

>> No.42357566

>>42357227
But isn't Urza's block one of the highest powered block ever ?

>> No.42357594

>>42354850
Art has been shit since Alara. But art before Invasion had a lot of shit 5-minute drawings too.

They should just go back to Odyssey-Ravnica when art was refined but original and individual, and CG tried to look like oils instead of PSX videogames.

>> No.42357599

>>42357398
>bitch in charge

Man, just piss off.

>> No.42357676

>>42357227
>>42357120
It's more because he's clearly blue, his one creature card he was actually in was blue.

I said U/R/x and I think he could work easily as URW or UBR. Most cards depicting either Urza or stuff directly associated with him is in those colors.

>> No.42357685

>>42355133
She sells the original art and artist proofs.
She also can do whatever the fuck she wants because she's their biggest starpower and people would actually stop playing if she left.

>> No.42357794

>>42353835
Tarmogoyf is a piece of shit anyway.
>no evasion
>no protection
>just a vanilla body that gets a little better as the game goes

>> No.42357810

Sometimes, I would like to see /tg/ design a set and see the power level be higher than any fucking Urza's set, goddamn.

And then I will laugh when your set is what actually kills Magic and none of you grumpy ass shits can complain any more. If /tg/ was any indication, every card these days is shit.

>> No.42358013

>>42357810
Every creature would have hexproof/indestructible so they can't die to removal.

>> No.42358059

>>42356069
Mohbacher wanted royalties on Erebos and that wasn't gonna happen.

>> No.42358117

>>42357062
Kiora is a POC tho, you can't shame her because you'd be a shitlord.

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>>42357810

That's not what will happen

oh who am I kidding

>> No.42358214

>>42357599
A female on art direction is literally a self-fulfilling prophecy of "safe" mediocrity.

>> No.42358284

>>42358143
Seems perfectly balanced.

>> No.42358381

>>42355235
Might as well make it cost 2. Shit mechanic.

>> No.42358431

>>42358214
Yeah, Terese Nielsen on art direction would truly be a horrible day for all.

Oh. Wait.

>> No.42358510

>>42358431
It would because she wouldn't get to paint so much for the game anymore.

>> No.42358586

>>42358143
>implying we wouldn't put it at uncommon

>> No.42358723

>>42358143
Change the last effect to "When Phyrexian Shorestalker would deal combat damage to a player, that player may sacrifice a creature instead."

>> No.42358969

Anyone notice the artist one the Kira card is different than the artist ont he same kiora poster?

>> No.42359339

>>42357810
I'm designing a block

>> No.42359412

>>42354192
>tango
That name is fucking stupid.

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