Quantcast
[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / g / ic / jp / lit / sci / tg / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports / report a bug ] [ 4plebs / archived.moe / rbt ]

Due to resource constraints, /g/ and /tg/ will no longer be archived or available. Other archivers continue to archive these boards.Become a Patron!

/tg/ - Traditional Games


View post   

[ Toggle deleted replies ]
[ERROR] No.40354651 [Reply] [Original] [4plebs] [archived.moe]

/tg/, have you ever encountered genuine tg in your games?

>> No.40354673

Wat?

>> No.40354694

tg as in transgendered?

That image is a reference to mariaholic, an anime about a boy cross dressing as a girl in an all girl's school. So I am assuming that is what you mean.

>> No.40354831

>>40354651
As in people?
No.
There was one guy who were horrendously shit at RP who I never invited back who I later found out decided he was neither a guy nor girl.

Then went off to Russia.
To "raise awareness".

Fucking weirdo.

>> No.40354839

>>40354651
This one time we had to win a mahjong game to free the orphans from the drug cartel.

Which is to say my GM wanted to smoke a big cigar and play Mahjong that week.

>> No.40354847

>>40354839
your DM has his priorities straight

>> No.40354890

>>40354839
I like your GM.

>> No.40354952

>>40354839

>> No.40354958

>>40354651
Fantasy's fantasy.

>> No.40355452

>>40354651
i just fapped

>> No.40355508

>>40354651
Fucking semen demon Mariya.
> Abgrund doing another MH doujin never
Fuck this gay earth.

>> No.40355518

This bitch is my TL commander, so... yes, I have.

>> No.40355661

>>40355518
That sword is goddamn hideous.

>> No.40355692

>>40355508
>semen demon Mariya.
>not watching it for the maid
Matsurika Holic when?

>> No.40355721

>>40355518
>filename
that's not Olivia Voldaren

>> No.40355759

>>40355721
Olivia Voldaren has gone beyond huge and into /d/-sized. She once participated in a marathon, he penis came in first and the rest of her in fifth.

>> No.40355787

>>40355759
Olivia Vol/d/aren

>> No.40355881

>>40354651
My current character is a trap / imminent tg, does that count? He's a gunslinger / artificer who was raised female after his twin sister, his parent's favourite, died in an accident he caused. The fact that he's slender and effeminate helps his disguise quite a bit, and he still poses as female mainly because it's just second nature to him at this point. He's looking to resurrect his dead sister, quite possibly by trading his soul for hers, which would lead to her inhabiting his body. If/when he succeeds I'm planning on playing the sister, who would be a level 1 character, and then leveling back up over several sessions to match the rest of the party.

>> No.40355924

>>40355787
Once you go RB you can't go back.

>> No.40356145

>>40355721
Olivia Voldaren is the queen of NTR.

>> No.40356371

>>40355881
>intending to go back to basics

You're a faggot.

But I like your dedication to being a faggot.

>> No.40356432

>>40354651
One of my players is.

>> No.40356449

The guy who introduced me to my current group is a tranny. We kicked him/her out recently for unrelated reasons. Namely, being an idiot who couldn't accept any form of criticism. As in "dude, most of us don't like Pathfinder. It's a dull game" and then he would spent one hour preaching about how great Pathfinder is.

>> No.40356545

>>40356371
Thank you.

>> No.40356620

>>40355881
8/10 would fuck

>> No.40356818

>>40355692
> watching it for the maid
Are you gay, m80?

>> No.40356875

>>40354651
>not encountering genuine /tg/ in your games
>not playing recursive /tg/'s

>> No.40356972

>>40354651
One DM tried really, really hard to get us to play Three Dragon Ante by having an NPC approach and invite us to the game during a D&D session.

I guess that's pretty close to encountering /tg/ in /tg/.

>> No.40358184

>>40354651
In character or out of character?

>> No.40358321

>>40354651
All my elves are totally androgynous except for sex.

>> No.40359331

>>40355661
your right i never noticed that before

>> No.40359943

DM: the hermit asks you to sit and play a game
>the game is chess
>my char has highest int in party, so I'm made play
ME: How good are you? out of char I mean.
DM: I played a lot in school and have been playing with my dad recently.
>DM starts to slide a chess set from under the table
ME: I was chess team captain. we got 3rd in state last year.
>silence falls
>save for the sound of the chess set getting pushed back under the table

>> No.40360126

>>40354651
I've had a character that had more than a few mental issues about anything sexual (males much more so than females) in a Madoka-ish setting; they adapted to Barrier as part of their powers.
To include when invading the realm of a tg npc going through crippling emotional overload, and gaining the wrong body for a bit. My character...didn't react well to that.

Another game has a PC coming to terms that they're a guy but they like wearing pretty dresses and whatnot. It's highly debatable about whether they're tg or just think they should be a girl if they want to wear pretty things.

>> No.40360864

>>40354847
>>40354890
>>40354952
It would have been better if he hadn't railroaded us into it. I mean granted our plan was 'kill everyone in the fucking room' but still.

>>40359943
Your DM is a pussy.

>> No.40361116

>>40354651
I'd played as a Witch in Pathfinder who was raised in a coven where they only taught magic to the women of their group. So naturally my character decided I'd be fun to wear dresses and make-up in exchange for the power to make people shit themselves on command. He did well for himself but the coven thought it would be funny to curse him so they gave him a magical pendent that boosted the power of his curses slightly but would, at random intervals, change his personality to a chaotic evil. He was fun to play. Also he was dubbed the "Manwitch" by the group and used the spell spark to kill a mugger that had a bag of black powder on his hip.

>> No.40361868

>>40355881
Nothing wrong with that!

>> No.40362147

>>40354651
I played a woman that wanted to be treated as a man. So she wrapped her boobs very tightly to try and conceal them. She just felt that society treated her more seriously as a fighter when they thought she was a man. Yeah it sounds SJW but it's more she felt comfortable in a masculine role rather than a feminine one. Just wish the rest of the party was more surprised when they found out.

>> No.40362216

>>40354651
Yeah, I play with one all the time. He's a total bro. Sometimes play male characters, sometimes female and they're always fun characters with no out of game drama or murderhobo tendencies. Doesn't care if people call him "he" or "she", has a good sense of humor and always willing to pitch for pizza.

>> No.40362326

>>40354651

I even was one. Well, actually an hermafrodite.

I played with a guy who wanted fo be a MTF. Pretty cool guy, actually, but honestly can't see how he could pass for one.

>> No.40362369

I played with one.

She was a very whiny asshole at first.

She later became slightly less whiny and slightly less assholey when we pointed out the whiny and assholey things she did.

Then she did some whiny assholey things at work, basically accusing them for being prejudiced against trans people, got a few thousand dollar settlement, and used it for hormone pills and/or a sex change. I knew the hormone pills were happening, but I don't know if they were bought with settlement money or wages.

But yeah... the first and only trans person I've run into was not very tolerable. That's not because she was trans, but because she was a cunt.

She later left the gaming group. She obviously had to find work elsewhere. I think she got work in another town.

Regardless, MFW game night with the Elven Princess.

>> No.40363390

>>40362216
That fucking image

>> No.40363399

>>40362216
>>40363390
Britain is legit the worst country in Europe.

>> No.40363458

Which tg are we talking about?

Played with somebody who later ended up being transgendered.
Wasn't much of a shock considering she always made female characters and the one time they DM'd the vast majority of NPCs were female.

I've also been in a game where the party entered into a poker tournament and we actually played the games out but in character.

>> No.40363482

>>40362216
I feel the need to commit homicide.

>> No.40363518

>>40362216
Fuck Britain. Fuck all of it.

>> No.40363538

>>40362216
>>40363390
>>40363399
>>40363482
Only the ammunition was destroyed because some of it was still potentially dangerous shit dug up from a field. It's the Telegraph, half of their articles are misrepresented click bait carefully, and often grammatically incorrectly worded to create a context that does not exist to increase the amount of hits a given article can generate.

The 'entire collection' was not destroyed, only his 'entire collection' of ammunition.

>> No.40363541

>>40363399
No, Italy is you cockmongrel.

>> No.40363575

>>40363541
Italy keeps the niggers out. Britain invites them in.

>> No.40363602

>>40362369
>she

>> No.40363642

>>40354694
Is it? Looks more like FemDante and FemVergil from Devil May Cry, complete with "Jackpot!".

>> No.40363654

>>40363538
You saved me some unwarranted rage anon.
You are a true hiro.

>> No.40363677

>>40363642
It's an edit.

>> No.40363683

In character? No, though as GM I run one NPC who crossdresses and uses their female mode to have a pop idol career. Much like batman, neither identity is a complete representation of the person.

Out of character there's a trans girl in our group, she's one of my best players. We've known her since before she started transitioning, it was weird for a little bit but by now it's just "this is member x, she's good at fighting games."

If you mean tabletop games, then also no, though I've made Go a hobby for some strategist characters I run.

>> No.40363695

>>40363642
It's an edit of this, a good edit at that.

>> No.40363747

>>40359943
Your DM is That DM.

>> No.40363750

>>40363683
Hearing about all these good experiences with trans people makes me booty mad. The only one I've ever met was a mtf cunt that insisted on ruining every occasion when I visited my best friend and his sister. Mostly by virtue of dating the sister and the sister being the only person with a car.

She was just utterly hateful and now I have a huge bias against transgenders even though I don't want to.

>> No.40363911

>>40354651
No. I play with a group of friends, and none of them is trans. I know of some trans people who play D&D, but I've never played with them.

I would, though. I could stand to be in more than one game.

>> No.40363947

>>40363602
>giving a fuck about what pronoun a person wants to be referred to
I'll call someone 'he,' 'she,' or 'it,' as requested. I'll call them whatever name or nickname they prefer. I'll only ever draw the line at made up bullshit like 'xir,' because honestly, beyond that, who seriously gives a fuck about something so petty and stupid?

>> No.40364165

>>40363947
Honesty, if they look like a man then I can't bring myself to say "she". It's like trying to force me to refer to bears as seals. I won't do it!

>> No.40364195

>>40364165
I know plenty of 100% women who look like men; even ones who have mustaches they have to shave, big hairy forearms, and no tits to speak of. If someone with an actual dick also wants me to call them 'she,' I have no problem with it. Most people don't actually look particularly feminine or masculine, they just look lumpy and plain.

>> No.40364215

>>40364165
>disrespecting transseals

Check your ursine privilege!!

>> No.40364280

>>40364195
>Most people don't actually look particularly feminine or masculine, they just look lumpy and plain.

Given that in my experience most people are absolutely shit at telling genders apart, I can't agree with this because I've never had problems telling who is male or female even if they obscuring it with make up/camera angles/surgery/whatever. Even hideous hambeasts still look like women to me so long as they are actually women. Therefore, if you are a man then I'm going to call you "he" and "him". You cannot change your biological gender no matter how much you mutilate your body and ingest hormones. If they get offended, then so be it. Have a maximum edge quote from a grotesque cradle snatcher who happens to be hilarious and spot on.

>> No.40364983

>>40364280
Fry's a fag who can't take the heat he dishes out.

>> No.40365012

>>40363695
>>40354651
I like the crazed look Dante/Mariya gets.

I think I should watch this after all.

>> No.40365068

>>40361116
Get over here!

Lemme tap dat ass

>> No.40365101

>>40364165
I call assholes "sir" at work every day, calling someone with a dick "she" is nothing in comparison.

>> No.40365368

>>40364280
That quote's about gay marriage, i.e. basically the opposite of what 90% of people who use it use it for. You also don't have super laser gender-detectovision so stop being a cock and acting like you do. How does your awesome superpower handle intersex or hormone-insensitive people, huh?

>> No.40366821

>>40354651

Does belts of gender change and random magic effect counts?

>>40365101

Perfectly said, 15/10

>> No.40367143

>>40359943
You're not supposed to ever admit to that.
I always got weird reactions saying I went to state chess championships

>> No.40367433

Nearly had a tranny join my Star Wars game, they got butthurt and left when another prospective player kept calling them "he".
Despite looking like the fruitiest man ever to wear rainbow wristbands rather than an actual woman.

They later got booted from the local game club for being a dramallama who thought slapping someone over the back of the head for saying something "triggering" made them the equal of fucking Martin Luther King. Dodged a bullet there

>> No.40367453

>>40365368
>how does your awesome superpower handle %0.02 of the population?

>> No.40367497

>>40367143
How do you start playing chess? Is there like a primer or something, because I'm at the stage where I get my shit pushed in by "easy" computers.

I know I should git gud but some tips or whatever would be hella useful

>> No.40367645

>>40367433
>Nearly posted a fake story on 4chan.
>Oh no wait, did post a fake story on 4chan.

Summer is coming.

>> No.40367694

>>40364280

I have to admit, people like you make me laugh when they try to drop male pronouns on my sister.
She even looked like she had a beer gut when pregnant.

I would feel worse about it if we had a better relationship, but since I don't I just stifle laughter and enjoy it.

>> No.40367697

>>40367497
By playing. Find a chess club at a library or something. Or even play online, it's 2015 after all. You could also try parks. But watch out for old men hustling you games for money. Those fuckers are good.

If you want to start doing like actual study then just read a book on chess openings. Every way you can open a chess game has been done before and the opening of a chess game is more rote memorization than strategic thinking.

>> No.40367728

>>40367645
Summer is an illusion faggot. There's no reason school would stop kids with smartphones from going on 4chan.

>> No.40367767

>>40367728
It's been Eternal September since '93.

>> No.40368692

>>40367453
1/1000 people have some sort of abnormality in their X or Y chromosomes, you know some.

>> No.40368769

>>40367645
Truth is stranger than fiction, nigger

>> No.40368840

>>40363947
I knew I would have a use for this one day.

I agree with you. I just wanted to post this.

>> No.40368870

>>40368769
Your mommas cunt is wider than the hallways of Mordor, mongoloid.

>> No.40368909

>>40367645
Oh good, someone who believes the summer myth. And here I thought I wasn't on /b/.

>> No.40369154

I try to play 50% male to female.

I'm up like 5 character currently and am pissed as all fuck about that.

>> No.40372918

>>40367453
So, it doesn't, and you're just retarded. Good to know.

>> No.40373593

>>40354651
>>40363695

>> No.40373695

>>40356818
Maid is love, maid is life.
She's just the perfect blend of snarky and obedient.
Mariya is fine too.
Yuri pig worst girl.

>> No.40376855

>>40354651
Does this count?

>> No.40377484

>>40373593

BREASTO FIYAAAAHHHH!

>> No.40377576

>>40377484
Grade Z pun

>> No.40377715

>>40358321
most people are totally androgynous except for sex.

>> No.40378036

>>40376855
>Psion bad at reading people

>> No.40378771

I don't know what it's worth, but I'm an MtF and I DM 5th edition. I almost always play with friends, so I never really have an issue regarding it. If I was hosting for a stranger and they somehow discovered I was trans, it'd only be an issue if they made it one. Like, if they insisted on calling me "he", I'd take that as petty and just ask them to find another group, I wouldn't flip out like most people seem to think I would. If they didn't care, I don't care, whatever.

I honestly find that the tabletop community gives zero shits about lgbt stuff as long as you're not an obnoxious loudmouth about it. I don't think it's too fair to say "I had a tranny join my game and they acted like this so never again", since from my own experience in the trans community the social justice-y types are a vocal minority. As long as they're a good player, I don't think it matters all that much.

>> No.40378901

>>40378771
>Like, if they insisted on calling me "he", I'd take that as petty and just ask them to find another group

Why? You are a he. It's like trying to make people call a horse a duck all the time. Everytime they do it, it's just going to remind them how that horse isn't a duck and that they are being forced to pretend. It's really jarring. They won't be able to focus because they'll just keep being reminded about it everytime they spit out 'she'.

>> No.40378952

>>40363947
If they really want made-up gender-neutral pronouns, I'll just go with "they/their". Nobody but particularly nitpicky filthy prescriptivists objects to being called "they" in the third person singular.

(Plus, I figure having a gender-neutral third-person singular that doesn't imply inanimacy would be really nice, and of all the candidate pronouns of various degrees of made-up-ness, "they" stands far and away the best chance of being accepted, so I might as well encourage it.)

>> No.40378982

>>40378901
God you sound like a fucking pain to play with and if I had the tranny DM I'd back her all the way in asking you to leave.

You're probably one of those fucks who spends hours arguing about rules with the DM too

>> No.40379003

>>40378982
You have aggression problems.

>> No.40379012

>>40354651
>>40354651

In a Sci-Fi game, we had an AI who changed pronouns whenever it wanted to, one that refused to accept that AI could have gender at all, and another that insisted it was male, Catholic, and a reincarnated Pope.

Plus Feynman's Ghost (another AI), who insisted he was asleep (all evidence to the contrary) and merely having a dubious erotic dream.

>> No.40379019

The girdle exists for a reason.

>> No.40379024

>>40378901
Like I said, if that's their opinion, they are totally entitled to have it, I just don't to play a game with someone who's insisting on it because I find it offensive and that's fair. Like how you don't have to play if trans people if you find their condition offensive somehow.

I suppose the only thing that does bother me is that if someone disagrees with it they expect me to get into a debate about gender identity with them and throw around the "well if I'm the Queen of England" or "well if a dog's says it's a cat" tired arguments and demand that I argue back and I have to link the same very easy to google scientific studies on the matter.

>> No.40379057

>>40378901
I notice they said "somehow discovered" like it'd be hard to figure out. Unless they're walking around dressed like a dude, or sporting a bear, or look completely masculine, or are flopping their dick in your face then there's no reason to remember they're actually a dude. It's nothing but disruptive to the game. Look mods, I'm keeping it /tg/

This is coming from someone who disagrees with the new definition of gender.

>> No.40379067

>>40379012
>Plus Feynman's Ghost (another AI), who insisted he was asleep (all evidence to the contrary) and merely having a dubious erotic dream.

Well, that's going in the ideas folder. Brilliant/10

>> No.40379105

>>40378901
Or maybe you could just show someone respect and move on? Do you have autism?

>> No.40379113

>>40378901
>being forced to pretend
You're playing a role playing game anon, aren't we all pretending already.

>> No.40379117

>>40379057

Gender is weird. Pic related.

>> No.40379151

>>40379105
I think you misunderstand the mindset involved here. The belief is that the claim that someone has a gender different from their sex means that they are *not worthy of respect*

It's not autism, just conservatism.

>> No.40379162

>>40379024
It's not about gender identity though. He/him refers to physical makeup. And you're tired of the "dog isn't a cat" argument because it's irrefutable.

>>40379057
>I notice they said "somehow discovered" like it'd be hard to figure out
That's what every tg thinks about themself. It's rarely true.

>>40379105
If I had to, I guess. But given the choice, I don't enjoy the idea of entertaining delusions.

>>40379113
Well that's about the only valid point, but you can't shake the real life factor of this pretend because you know they're trying to assert it for real.

>> No.40379210

>>40379162
Hey if you find referring to a person in a particular way more important than how you make them feel don't be surprised if people find that you are an asshole. As for physical make up, gender is actually very complicated biologically.

>> No.40379275

>>40379057
The "new definition" that's older than you fucking are?

>> No.40379325

>>40379067

Having assembled a sex drive out of spare algorithms (mostly airline ticket booking software), he then attempted to seduce every woman available. When this failed (because he mistakenly thought Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport was the most beautiful place in the world, and based his love-poems around it's charms), he decided he must be in a /homo/-erotic dream (to his horror).

He then switched his hypothetical kinky dream's premise, depending on the situation, for some time after that, until an unfortunate accident with a sentient cyclotron convinced him that no dream could possibly be this awful.

>> No.40379330

>>40379162
It's totally refutable, you just repeat yourself ad nauseum after it gets refuted. That's just not what the word gender means. It used to be essentially exclusive to linguistic trivia, then it had a short bumbling life in biology having never caught on anywhere except as a very limp euphemism during Victorian influence, and found new (very specific) use in newer sciences. It means something external to chromosomes and expected tertiary feature norms. That's all there is to it. You're not even being conservative about anything, or prescriptivist, or uncomfortable. You're just being openly and flagrantly and habitually wrong about something your entire stupid argument depends on.

>> No.40379416 [SPOILER] 

>>40359943
"Never played it much. I remember most of the rules. Horse goes in an L, right? No guys, my character's playing, I'm going to play it out."

>pic is you after game

>> No.40379477

>>40379210
>gender is actually very complicated biologically.
Not really.
>Hey if you find referring to a person in a particular way more important than how you make them feel don't be surprised if people find that you are an asshole.
Well I try to not associate with mentally ill people, but I can also say that trying to force people to lie to you about what you are is a pretty shit move.

>>40379330
Who cares about the word gender? I'm talking about he/she, which again refers to physical makeup of a being.

>> No.40379594

>>40379477
You're clearly pretty dedicated to being intolerant anon, and I respect that level of commitment when a sum of people are telling you that you're incorrect in great detail.

>> No.40379595

>>40354651
I have a buddy that first explored being female by playing female characters.

>> No.40379621

>>40379477
>Not really.
Kind of, yeah. Look at >>40379117 It's a cardinal that's half male, half female, right down the middle. For some reason it happens a lot with birds.

So you have a sense of where your body is when you close your eyes, right? You have some vague feeling of "I have 2 arms and 2 legs and they're arranged like this", even if they aren't doing anything. Your brain has a little map of you inside it.

Occasionally, something goes wrong and that map gets messed up. People think that their arm, or their leg, or a small patch of flesh on their back isn't "them". It's an alien thing, a parasite, fused to their flesh but not /of/ it, like having living shrapnel or a permanent surgical appliance. You can it with therapy, but it mostly just helps you cope with being uncomfortable.

Is it really so weird to think that, sometimes, biology fucks up the gender map? The bit in the brain that goes "I'm a guy!" gets swapped to a very similar state, just never grew right to begin with? This isn't a bad thing, exactly. We don't euthanize people for having bad teeth or bad eyesight, and those are way more detrimental to survival or whatever.

>> No.40379658

>>40379621
>It's a cardinal that's half male, half female, right down the middle.
What does that have to do with transgender people?

>> No.40379678

>>40365068
Here's what the character was like.

>> No.40379683

>>40379275
Orlly? Cuz definition of gender has not always been "how you feel based on the chemicals in your brain." It's a polite term for which genitalia is between your legs.

>>40379330
If you could link sources for that that'd be greeaat...

>>40379325
So was that character like a software only character or did it have a body? I don't know the game so I'm a little lost.

>> No.40379718

>>40379683
>If you could link sources for that that'd be greeaat...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150213112317.htm

Google, anon.

>> No.40379744

>>40379477
>>gender is actually very complicated biologically.
>Not really.

It is very complicated. It starts with the XY chromosomes of which there are, according to wikipedia 8 main combinations and can be other more rare ones. Even a normal XX of XY can be different, like one of them being half X and have Y.

Then there is the consideration of parts, which you are concentrating on. But if a person is born XYY or something, or the before mentioned X is part Y the developed organs can be kinda weird.

Then there is hormones, here things can get VERY messy because the amount of hormones and variety that effect our bodies and brains change the person who is developing very drastically. A very high point in hormonal development is of course puberty, how the hormones interact with the development of sexuality is extremely complex.

Now that's just the biological complexities, the mental, social and societal complexities are hundereds of times more complex.

Gender is extremely varied and complex

>> No.40379745

>>40379658

Just pointing out that biology is messy and complicated. Transgender people aren't surprising, given that we're made of meat.

Pretty much every attribute or toggle (height, limbs, internal organs, brain chemistry, memory, balance, empathy, reason, vision,...) that evolution gives us can also go a bit weird.

>> No.40379763

>>40379718
This anon knows what's up. Thanks for posting that before I could.

>> No.40379801

>>40354651
A trans woman was the single best GM I've ever encountered in over twenty years in the hobby. I really need to get back in touch so we can play again.

>> No.40379811

>>40379744
Variation doesn't mean it's complicated. In fact, it's very simple as you your just put it. 8 combinations.

>A very high point in hormonal development is of course puberty, how the hormones interact with the development of sexuality is extremely complex.
But that has nothing to do with what you are. I don't care if your brain is "feminine" or "masculine" or whether you like boys or girls. Your physical body is a certain composition and transgender people are no exception. They cannot change their body.

>> No.40379823

>>40379683
>So was that character like a software only character or did it have a body? I don't know the game so I'm a little lost.

No worries. His "body" was a VRC sized unit called an AI core. He spent most of his existence slotted into a server rack of extra hard drives and processors, doing math. Then the PCs showed up.

In the setting, AI can be slotted into a variety of drone bodies, designed to look and do nearly anything. Some are pretty decent replicas of people. Some are Hall-thruster-covered spheres designed for deep space exploration.

Feynman's Ghost's drones kept getting smashed, so he spent most of his time as a disembodied core. Without access to spare processors or memory he was pretty dim.

>> No.40379829

>>40379718
Both of those discuss it as a mental thing, whereas gender is supposed to be a physical trait. At least >>40379744 discussed it as a physical thing, but it still seems like people are making it more complicated than it has to be. Have ye a dick (eh) or a vagina(she)? Oh, neither/both? Well which one do you appear to be? It's really simple, but everyone's got to be a special snowflake and no one wants to focus on important shit. Like the planet roasting.

>> No.40379832

>>40379745
I became convinced that transgender was a real thing when I learned about Body Integrity Identity Disorder, the symptoms and associated culture of which are eerily similar to trans stuff.

It's thought to occur due to a failure of the brain's body map - much like the brain insisting it has or should have a limb it doesn't actually have leads to phantom limbs and the suchlike, it's thought that BIID occurs when the brain insists it doesn't or shouldn't have a limb which it in fact does, causing violently disturbing dysphoria.

Since that exists, I figure that there's absolutely no reason it can't happen with gender instead of limb-havery.

(And there are other analogies, too ... for instance, the best and most effective treatment of BIID is just to remove the offending limb, after which they get on with their lives without problems.)

>> No.40379858

>>40379832
That's cool, but I did mention BIID here...
>>40379621

Guess nobody reads these posts anyway.

>> No.40379860

>>40379811
The hormonal system and brain system ARE PART of your body. You are just picking and choosing what part of the body you want to go by and ignoring all else.

So, since you are ignoring evidence I will cease to argue

>> No.40379869

>>40379829
>Physical abnormalities in areas of the brain
>A mental health issue

I don't even know what to say.

>> No.40379877

>>40379829
Gender has always been sociological. Sex is the physical trait. You've got your terms wrong.

>> No.40379909

>Enter thread
>Shittons of spergy fucks arguing about gender like it actually matters.

There isn't enough liquor in the country.

>> No.40379912

>>40379823
I am convinced Feynman would choose a female robot body to come back with.

>> No.40379923

>>40379860
>So, since you are ignoring evidence I will cease to argue
No, you're ignoring your own logical fallacy.

The word he/she does not refer to your hormones. It refers to your touch and feel body. Transgender people aren't something in between male and female like some beings actually are. They are just a male or female who feels more feminine or masculine and wants to ingest hormones/get fake boobs. That doesn't change what they are physically. I've been very fair with your inability to not stay on topic, you're fucking retarded for trying to act like you're right and I'm just ignoring your "evidence" which has nothing to do with what is actually being discussed.

>> No.40379932

My next 5E D&D character is going to be a trap in honor of this thread and that cartoon image on a magazine thats supposed to Bruce Jenner

>> No.40379948

When did so much of /tg/ actually start acting mature? Is /lgbt/ taking a break from self loathing and fawning over/trying to be /pol/? Regardless, it's refreshing.

>> No.40379953

>>40379909
It's like the "That Guy" thread that got derailed by "That Guys" yesterday.

>> No.40379967

>>40379923
>get fake boobs

Have you done any research on the topic of transgenderism other than "I don't like it"? The breast tissue is as real as a woman's. Hormones also do a whole lot more. Please read up on something before you decide to have an opinion on it.

>> No.40379983

>>40379869
When you get down to it all mental disorders come from a physical abnormality then and this solves nothing to say it. I'm not surprised you don't know what to say. Do we not categorize brain functions as "mental" and bodily functions excluding those as "physical"?

>>40379877
Seems like a majority of people have the terms wrong then. Which begs the question: when the majority of people speaking a language think a word means something, who is to say that word's meaning hasn't changed?
For example: nigger, faggot, f.u.c.k., fag

>>40379823
That sounds really fun to play, although having the intellect vary depending on the processing power and such of each body would be annoying. Maybe.

>> No.40379985

>>40379948
>mature
Ya no.

>> No.40379995

>>40379967
Don't be so sensitive. Anyway, I can pump myself full of steroids to grow muscles but it doesn't make me a gorilla. It would just make me kind of look like one.

>> No.40380011

>>40379923
No, you're flat out ignoring evidence that directly refutes your position. I'm not even that anon and I can tell how dense you're being.

>> No.40380014

>>40379909

I've been here for a bit. It's like like a couple of people arguing that gender actually matters, and the rest of us going WE ARE MADE OF MESSY, HORRIBLE MEAT.

With occasional stories about PC antics.

Not the worst thread on /tg/ this evening by a longshot.

>>40379948
/tg/ is a weird, sensible place sometimes.

>> No.40380050

>>40380014
>WE ARE MADE OF MESSY, HORRIBLE MEAT.

I beg to differ I am made of fine meat that could feed a family of 12.

>> No.40380078

>>40379983
>Seems like a majority of people have the terms wrong then. Which begs the question: when the majority of people speaking a language think a word means something, who is to say that word's meaning hasn't changed?

Your anecdotal focus group of what your teachers may have incorrectly taught you does not a majority make.

Gender has always been sociological, sex is the physical. They're not interchangeable despite how some people were taught, especially in western education. I know I was taught incorrectly, but the curriculum is changing and children are learning about the physical characteristics of sex and the sociological mores of gender. Times are changing.

>> No.40380084

>>40379983
>That sounds really fun to play, although having the intellect vary depending on the processing power and such of each body would be annoying. Maybe.

Well, it's in FATE, so being in a server rack gives you a +2 to one skill, and that's it. The rest is roleplay (and good science-minded players. We've got 3 computer scientists, 3 chemists, and a professor of planetary geology in the group, with a biologist as a consultant/food-maker).

>> No.40380099

>>40380011
I am not ignoring evidence. Once again, you are arguing for something that has no relevance in the discussion of using he/she.

This is the definition of being male or female. It has nothing to do with your brain chemistry by the way (also since you're arguing that transgender people suffer from wildly inappropriate brain chemistry it would imply that they are in fact mentally ill).

>Female: of or relating to the sex that can produce young or lay eggs
>Male: of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

If you can do both, I'll call you whatever the fuck you want. Until then, you are one or the other. Sorry!

>> No.40380100

ITT: people conflating gender and sex
Sex is based on whats between your legs, gender what's between your ears.
There is more to being a man or a woman than just what genitals you have, there are cultural and sociological baggage associated with both of them, chopping wood and fighting bears makes you more of a man (or more manly/more masculine) while flower arranging and embroidery makes you more of a woman (or more feminine)
Additionally he and she are known as gendered pronouns, as in they refer to the GENDER, it just so happens that 90 odd per cent of the time gender and sex are the same thing.

>> No.40380106

>>40379948
I demand for comics about /pol/ and /lgbt/'s secret love!

>> No.40380125

>>40380050

Fair enough. I restate my claims.

WE ARE MADE OF MESSY, HORRIBLE, SOMEWHAT TASTY MEAT, RUNNING A COMPLEX, BUGGY OPERATING SYSTEM.

>> No.40380130

>>40380014
It WAS a great and mature topic until a little while ago.

>> No.40380131

>>40380100
>Additionally he and she are known as gendered pronouns, as in they refer to the GENDER
Wrong. He and she specifically refer to male and female. See >>40380099 for more details.

>> No.40380134

I've always been tempted to make a "trapmaster" or "master of traps" as a joke, either as a character or an NPC.

>> No.40380136

>>40380100
Tell that to this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

>> No.40380152

>>40380084
you mean everyone's playing Scientists?! That's awesome! I'm studying physics currently and would love something like that.

>> No.40380182

>>40380136
repeat after me
anecdotal evidence does not a case make

>> No.40380185

>>40380131
So in other words if you are sterile you are neither male nor female? Then praytell which pronoun should be used?

>> No.40380187

I've had very few experiences with transgender people in RPGs but the person I did have experiences with was a rather boring individual. She would play animals so she didn't have to RP and would use mind control PC's to get them to do her bidding rather than being reasonable and talking to people. All she wanted to do was basically build a machine that could do everything she wanted. I think it might have had something to go with her degree in programing.

>> No.40380203

>>40380099
>he/she
>male or female

Yes actually, there is a significant difference. He/she is a social construct, the gender. Male/female is a biological trait, the physical sex.

It is entirely accurate to be sexually female, but be referred to as he, gendered as a male, and vice versa.

I agree that the technology we have cannot effectively manipulate sex to change it to match the gender one identifies as, but that business is for their doctor and their partner. Sociologically they are what they identify as.

If if looks like a duck, feels like a duck, acts like a duck, smells like a duck, and sounds like a duck, for all intents and purposes, its a duck.

>> No.40380204

>>40380182
>Anecdotal evidence

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

>> No.40380215

>>40380130

Well, it might come back.

In the meantime, ever notice how nobody in the oglafverse makes a big deal about who you are or who you do? That'd be nice...

>> No.40380219

>>40380078
Eh, it's a bit more than just the students where I learned while going to school in several different states with varied topics of education. If the majority of people didn't think gender=sex then it wouldn't be a movement to "teach people gender =/= sex," would it?

Also, agree with >>40380099 . He/She pronouns should apply to male/female, also known generally as man/woman. Only reason to try and bring up more pronouns is special snowflakeism.

Also also, if the "trans movement" is to be believed, then there are genders for everyone. Tri-gender, gender-fluid, that one term that means "there's no definition for my gender" all kind of make the word gender meaningless when not applied to male/female.

Also also also, insisting that you are a man instead of a woman or whatever means that you think you should be treated differently. Which defeats the point of the gender equality movement, now doesn't it? So doesn't the trans movement shoot the quality movement in the kneecap?

>> No.40380222

>>40380099
Just so I know, which dictionary is that from, not trying to pick a fight, just so we have a frame of reference.

>> No.40380223

>>40380185
Sterile people still produce the associated function but just fail at making it viable.

>>40380203
Argue with the dictionary of the English language, not me. You are trying to change the definition of those terms.

>> No.40380230

>>40380222
Merriam-Webster.

>> No.40380245

>>40380152

Oh god no. We've got a ditzy socialite making space reality TV, a drunk medic, a taciturn pilot, a delusional xenobiologist (played by a computer scientist) and two AIs. One AI is a friendly soul who loathes slavery and wants everyone to get along. The other doesn't understand humans (or the real world) at all, and wants to build a better kind of brain.

>> No.40380246

>>40380215
Well oglaf is a sex comedy so that's not really all that surprising.

>> No.40380258

>>40380215
You missed one anon : ^ )

>> No.40380259

>>40380245
>The other doesn't understand humans (or the real world) at all, and wants to build a better kind of brain.
So a sentient 4chan?

>> No.40380261

>>40380230
Which edition/year?

>> No.40380263

>>40380219
>Also also, if the "trans movement" is to be believed, then there are genders for everyone. Tri-gender, gender-fluid, that one term that means "there's no definition for my gender" all kind of make the word gender meaningless when not applied to male/female.
>Also also also, insisting that you are a man instead of a woman or whatever means that you think you should be treated differently. Which defeats the point of the gender equality movement, now doesn't it? So doesn't the trans movement shoot the quality movement in the kneecap?

Very spot on. However, much like religion, the transgender movement isn't based on deductive reasoning. It's based on feelings.

>> No.40380275

>>40380261
I've entertained you enough. Either use Google or shoot yourself.

>> No.40380276

>>40380246

Real life is a sex comedy, if you know where to look.

>> No.40380277

>>40380259
I think you mean feminist academics anon.

>> No.40380305

>>40380276
Certainly, but not quite to the degree that oglaf does it. That and trying to maintain the comedy is a bitch to pull off.

>> No.40380325

>>40380259

Kind of. It's not autism, but it's something similar. The player does a fantastic job of playing a creepy computer on the far edge of recognizable sentience. As the character can also split its brain into 4 distinct copies/parallel simulations, then merge them all seamlessly later (something that creeps all the other AIs out), he's having a lot of fun.

>> No.40380329

>>40380263
I'd like to believe that Religion is less based on feelings and more about trying to grasp the unknown and trying to understand the right thing to do. Then again I studied religious ethics so I can't expect that definition to apply everywhere.

>> No.40380347

>>40380277
Oh no you don't. Doesn't this thread have enough troll fuel without adding more gas?

>>40380305

It's true... but it's also where you look. Spend 20 minutes on your local Craigslist or equivalent and tell me you aren't laughing.

>> No.40380384

>>40380329
A large portion of it was rules intended to keep people doing the right thing, either morally (don't murder or steal) or pragmatically (don't raise pigs they are wasteful also only have sex with people of the opposite sex) but due to the games of Chinese Whispers lasting millenia the messages have become... garbled...

>> No.40380392

>>40380347
But it's so much fun to watch people get angry over nothing!

I certainly have found myself laughing on Craigslist a time or two but I feel that life is a mix of genres really Sex Comedy, Drama, horror, ect. To narrow life down like that seems rather incorrect in my mind.

>> No.40380430

>>40379151
ah you are mentally handicapped then that clears it you

>> No.40380441

>>40380384
I think that the whole raising pigs thing and having sex with the opposite sex thing was born out a survival instinct when the prospect of having your village being completely leveled by a raiding party wasn't uncommon. Now because of the age we live in some of those provisions have become unnecessary. I do feel that the mythological aspects of religions do have their place as the attempt at trying to understand the world around them without the means to do so.

>> No.40380503

>>40380392

Well, it seems that life really wants to keep on going (via sex, as it turns out). And one of the most human things we do, the thing that separates us, is complex humor. So human existence is pretty much a sex comedy, with some other bits along the way.

Or, perhaps not.

>> No.40380524

>>40380503
I can dig it.

>> No.40380581

>>40380441
Interestingly in Christianity many of the provisions (like no homo sex) come from Leviticus, the reason for having to follow the seemingly random rules is stated as being due to the original sin (Eve nomming that forbidden fruit) however, when Jesus sacrificed himself to absolve humanity of it's sins that included the original sin. So Leviticus hasn't been relevant in two millennia.

>> No.40380752

>>40380581
Eh, Christian thought is that you're supposed to try really hard to follow the rules even though you never can 100% and sometimes god will run sh you for not following the rules but thanks to salvation you need only repent and confess and try not to do that thing you did again. So that under Christianity, someone pathologically addicted to hompsex who hates themselves and always repents before falling off the wagon is better off than a well adjusted unrepentant sinner. This incidentally is why catholicism and alcoholholism and general s tendencies go hand in hand

>> No.40380779

>>40380581

You know just enough about Christianity to get yourself into trouble, but not enough to be, uh, right.

As usual, reality is much more complicated.

>> No.40380814

>>40365368
>That quote's about gay marriage
That is incredibly funny to me. I will use it much more often now, and revel in the irony.

>> No.40380830

>>40354651
One guy decided his character was a girl and was hiding that fact from the start and just goes with peoples natural assumption that she's male (low looks stat)

Harmontown DnD had his girlfriend playing a mother turned man turned back to woman.

For someone like that the belt of gender change isnt so "cursed" except that it's hard to take off.
[Spoiler]I would agree with that assessment.

>> No.40380870

>>40379953
Link?

>> No.40380877

>>40380581
Matthew 5:17-18, Matthew 15:3-9, Luke 16:17, John 5:46-48, James 2:8-10, 2 Timothy 3:16, Romans 3:31, 2 Peter 1:20-21, Hebrews 13:8, and Revelations 22:18-19 say hi.

>> No.40380902

>>40380870
Don't have it I'm afraid.

>> No.40380923

>>40379105
But if I showed respect, I'd be lying.

But honestly, as far as I'm concerned, people can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies and live in whatever delusions they want - that's their business. When they make up new words or constantly change their "gender" and expect me to give a shit, they're making it my business, and they can fuck right off with that.

He, she or it, babe. Pick one and stick with it.

>> No.40380936

>>40380877
All sin is equal as sin. Sticking your penis on another mans butt is as sinful as eating meat on Friday or letting your wife teach men

>> No.40380945

>>40380752
>So that under Christianity, someone pathologically addicted to hompsex who hates themselves and always repents before falling off the wagon is better off than a well adjusted unrepentant sinner.
welcome to why I am no longer Catholic
apostasy is cooler than atheism anyway

>> No.40380987

>>40380263
Reminds me of how some Trans people dont want it classified as a disorder.

However, having it classified as a disorder can get then more help in their transition via health insurances instead of paying out of their own pockets.

Others say that it being a disorder also pushes binary gender conformity ideals or some shit.

Its a community torn over wanting their ideals upheld versus wanting shit paid to help them. My opinion is that if they feel bad from gender dysphoria then just accept that it's a disorder.

>> No.40381005

>>40379832
That doesn't make you a different gender, it makes you mentally ill.

>> No.40381057

ITT Pronouns whiners get BTFO by the English language

>> No.40381060

>>40380987
there is more to it than just shit getting paid for, but that is a major part of it, if health insurance covers breast reductions and liver transplants for alcoholics, there is no reason it shouldn't also cover things for gender dysphoria.

>> No.40381082

>>40381005

If it's physiological (caused by differences in the structure of the brain), the whole mental illness thing isn't relevant. People who can't move their arm after a stroke aren't mentally ill. The arm might be healthy, but something in the meat/software/hardware mix we got screwed up.

If, by this point, you don't get it... well, that's fine, I suppose.

>> No.40381083

>>40381057
correction: certain interpretations of the English language, if watching a game of football on the first floor while eating chips can means completely different things, I think there is some leeway with pronouns.

>> No.40381102

>>40381083
>certain interpretations of the English language
lol It's okay, we know you're mentally ill so of course you can't admit it after being shown irrefutable proof.

>> No.40381107

>>40381082
It's still a mental illness, whether it's caused by a brain disorder, chemical imbalance or otherwise.

If, by this point, you don't get it... well, that's fine, I suppose.

>> No.40381116

>>40381082
>>40381083
Just let it die already.

>> No.40381124

>>40381057
lmao what? That's just wrong on so many levels I have to assume retardation and/or bait.

>>40381082
So you're saying that the male and female brain are structured different physically? So then gender is in fact a physical thing. /movement

>> No.40381146

>>40381124
God dammit just let it die.

>> No.40381155

>>40381082
>People who can't move their arm after a stroke aren't mentally ill.

Yet you have explicitly described them as having an illness within their mind, making them mentally ill. I think you're getting too hung up on the negative connotation that 'mental illness' has picked up.

>> No.40381165

>>40381146
But it is. Anon solved everything. /movement

Now we can return to the topic.... whatever the hell it was. Oh wait, it was dependent on the movement being a thing. Well, /thread

>> No.40381174

>>40381107
>>40381116

Nah, you're on the back foot and you're getting desperate.

So, if you had a stroke, or you got shot in the skull, you'd be pissed if your doctor told you, "Yeah, it's all in your head. Just see a therapist. I think it's probably because your mother didn't hug you enough."

You'd be like, "Fuck no, something structural is broken. We should try and fix it."

With trans people, there's no way to "fix" it, because we're not sure what's different, or how to change it carefully without causing other massive problems.

Some people use surgery and drugs to make their bodies fit the map that's in their brain. Sometimes it even works.

>> No.40381179

To all the anon stating trans folk are mentally ill: Are you also the kinds of people who tell people with depression to stop whining about how they are feeling sad, that addicts should stop whining and just stop consuming, that insomniacs just need to close their eyes and go to sleep (and stop whining)?

>> No.40381199

>>40381174
>Gender identity disorder is classified as a medical disorder by the ICD-10 CM and DSM-5 (called gender dysphoria).

>>40381179
What? That doesn't even make sense. No one is telling you to kill yourself because you've got a mental illness. But you need to realize that it is a mental illness. Just like clinical depression.

>> No.40381236

>>40381199
Probably should of phrased it better, more aimed at the people who where using mentally ill in a derogatory fashion.

>> No.40381237

>>40381179
No, I tell all those people to go see a therapist - or at the very least, someone who cares.

>> No.40381239

>>40381124
Yeah, of course they are. Hormonal control, some small structural changes, etc. Nothing huge.

Sometimes our meat gets screwed up, and coke ends up in the pepsi bottle. Or we get a mix of coke and pepsi. It happens.

>>40381155
That's a pretty desperate argument and you know it. Nobody would call a stroke patient mentally ill.

>> No.40381248

>>40381082

>> No.40381251

>>40381174
Homie I don't know about you but there are far more interesting things to do than to win an argument on the internet. really I'm just saying let it die because of the fact that this is turning into a retarded slap fight. If you want pretend like this'll actually matter then go ahead.

>> No.40381299

>>40381174
If something is broken then you fix it. If you don't like something and want to have it fixed its cosmetic.

Some doctors don't like the idea of damaging perfectly healthy organs to reform them into semi-functional constructs that can't fulfill their purpose. I don't blame them; I dislike the idea of doing this level of invasive changes when the solution is to accept reality.

Also
>I'm a woman inside!
Is a shit excuse when basically of your interests, mannerisms, and thought process is clearly masculine. I dated a trasperson who knew nothing about women, yet somehow knew they wanted to be one. For starters, real women aren't fucking MRAs without being pretty fucking Christian.

>> No.40381313

>>40381248
Why do people do things like this? Why is America full of weirdos? Aren't there any weirdo's in Europe?

>> No.40381332

>>40381313
There are they just aren't insane enough to actually publicly show their insanity.

>> No.40381350

>>40381313
One of the "I'm really a cat!" people was a nerdy-looking Swedish chick.

>> No.40381356

>>40381313
Oh there are plenty, it's just that we don't have whole channels dedicated to people who want to fuck inanimate objects or eat building materials.

>> No.40381358

>>40381313
He's actually british, was on a british show about teenagers who thought they were animals or famous people.

"otherkin" and "headmates".

>> No.40381369

>>40381313
crazy people in yurop have to hide from big brother's eyes

america is the land of the free range nutbars

>> No.40381391

>>40381251
>I'm just saying let it die because of the fact that this is turning into a retarded slap fight. If you want pretend like this'll actually matter then go ahead.

Transsexuals are the best at pretending like it actually matters.

>> No.40381396

>>40381239
Medical professionals do that all the time in my country. I was trying to express how the words have different meanings based on cultural backgrounds. There isn't necessarily malice behind their usage.

I guess my English is not good enough yet to argue this so I will quit.

>> No.40381400

>>40381313
>Why is America
Holy fuck its a Brit fuck from a Brit show.

If literally anything seems stupid or anyone why do all the fucking foreigners have to pretend that America can only the source?

I already know the answer, they listened to other Americans bitch about Americans and thought that it was actually this global anti American community when it was really mostly whiny teenagers who only learn about other nations by hearing how much better than they are.

>> No.40381414

>>40378771
>>40378771
you are a guy, why would you give yourself time to simmer on this?

you are a he.

>> No.40381425

>>40381174
Source?

>> No.40381462

>>40378771
>If I was hosting for a stranger and they somehow discovered I was trans, it'd only be an issue if they made it one. Like, if they insisted on calling me "he", I'd take that as petty and just ask them to find another group, I wouldn't flip out like most people seem to think I would.
That's -you- making it an issue, not them.

>> No.40381481

>>40381462
This. What if they assumed you were just a normal guy? It's pretty arrogant for you to think that you look womanly enough that everyone is going to be tricked.

>> No.40381518

>>40381414
Personally I find the idea of a less gender-focused society to be a nice one, probably because I like women's clothing.

What I hate is when people try to force their opinions on others like an asshole and then claim they aren't an asshole, that shit is the worst, no matter which side it is.

If a trans person managed to trick you into calling them a "she" when they really has a penis and you had no idea you wouldnt care. You dont go out of your way to make sure you are using the pronouns of their biological sex for every single person you meet, do you?

Calling someone what they want to be called is common courtesy as long as they aren't demanding you use their made up zir xe zhim bullshit.

>> No.40381525

>>40381396
>I guess my English is not good enough yet to argue this
your english is fine, he's just being retarded

>> No.40381530

There's a LFG post on Roll20 right now that says in the description
"to apply post name, pronoun and class below + a quick bio, you can have any 2 magic items to put those in
[...]
This is an LGBTQFA firendly game and if you have a problem with that then theres the door" [sic]

Like why the fuck does that even matter? There's a post in the listing discussion that is just as confused and the people in charge of the campaign are going all tumblr SJW; it's ridiculous.

Link, if you want to see this train wreck:
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/24305/search-for-the-golden-bowl

>mfw

>> No.40381563

>>40381462
>>40381481
If they call an MtF person a "he" and then continue to do so despite asked not to, then that person is the one pushing the issue. If my name was Ashley and I hated the name and asked everyone to call me Ash, people who kept saying "Ashley" on purpose would be the dicks, not me for having a nickname.

>> No.40381574

>>40381518
>You dont go out of your way to make sure you are using the pronouns of their biological sex for every single person you meet, do you?

Uh, most people do that.

>> No.40381591

>>40381518
>What I hate is when people try to force their opinions on others
>watch while I do it

this is stupid, you are just giving a run down on how offended things make you in your post.

wanna people to lie to you and cater to you? will you have a tantrum if not? that is not nice at all.

>> No.40381596

>>40381563
Horrible example. Your name is a chosen moniker. And in legal procedures your nickname would be invalid, but you can get it changed if you go through the processes. However, your sex is not up for debate.

>> No.40381601

>>40381400
But, I am American anon. I thought it was from a news show I saw many many years ago when I was young and it was the "fad" at the time.

>> No.40381604

>>40381563

So I can demand to be called anything and anyone who refuses to do so is an asshole?

>> No.40381616

This thread reminds me of the time that telepath brainwashed a gay PC to make them hetero, because the PC's father was a space mafia boss and wanted his son to be straight.

>> No.40381626

>>40381574
You go out of your way to make sure you are using the right pronoun at all times? Thats just as bad as tumblr, I usually use they when I am unsure, because I dont care whats in everyone's pants.

>> No.40381658

>>40381530
>Party needs all rolls currently
kek
>Umm don't be so misogynist everyone has the right to choose what pronouns xhy like (mine are dwh/dim/das) and LGBTQFA means Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Furry and Asexual
Furry is part of that now? Well shit, we can just sit back and let it implode, boys.

I don't have a reaction image good enough for this. I truly don't. I need to collect more laughing gifs, I guess.

>>40381563
It's not possible to look at you and see that your name is Ashley though. If you had Ashley tattooed to your forehead I'd call you Ashley.

>> No.40381659

>>40381626

No no, I think you're misunderstanding what he said.

If that anon met a person who looked like a woman, talked like a woman and dressed like a woman, he'd use "she/her" when referring to the person.

>> No.40381660

>>40381626
>You go out of your way to make sure you are using the right pronoun at all times?
You're twisting it. You said
>make sure you are using the pronouns of their biological sex for every single person you meet
Most people do that. As in, you don't just randomly call someone a girl or a boy before you get a good look at them.

>> No.40381679

>>40381530
Often trans people have serious gender dysphoria. Reminding them that their biological gender isn't the one they really wish they were can in some cases cause actually pretty serious upset bordering on total freakout in extreme cases.

>> No.40381684

>>40381616
Is there a storytime/cap, complete with player's reaction?

>> No.40381686

>>40381591
Here's the thing, if the group is okay with a MtF GM and one new guy shows up nd insists the GM is a man and forces the issue then that one guy being is being a dick because it wasn't a problem till he showed up. It's relative to the group norm.

>> No.40381689

>>40381658
>LGBTQFA

This is the legion of chaos at the end of all times. This is the mark of the beast.

>> No.40381691

>>40381563
As someone who just spent four hours fucking with voicemail-email connections, fuck people with nicknames.

>> No.40381701

>>40381658
Furry is considered a gender now?

That's like one step above mayonnaise.

>> No.40381705

I wonder if the KKK lets black people join if they identify as white. You think Hitler would pardon Jews who identified as Christian?

>> No.40381710

>>40381660
No but at the same time do you go out of your way to make sure which they are before ever addressing them? That's what I meant from the start. If you go up to someone and are unsure, how do you typically proceed? Do you refuse to address them until you are 100% sure of their biological sex? I somehow doubt it.

>> No.40381711

>>40381679
>Reminding them that their biological gender isn't the one they really wish they were can in some cases cause actually pretty serious upset bordering on total freakout in extreme cases.

So... A tantrum.

I've got things I'm very uncomfortable about and would consider them bare wires, but I've never thrown a full-on temper tantrum when someone points them out.

>> No.40381723

>>40381689
>>40381701
I want to post something, but as I rely on roll20 I'd hate to have discipline brought against me. Please someone do it for me. They must know of the pleasure they have brought to 4chan.

>> No.40381741

>>40381563
Nope. The moment you insist -they- use language that validates -your- point of view and negates theirs, you become the one making it an issue.

>> No.40381747

>>40381658
What's the difference between Queer and Gay? Actually why is there Lesbian and Gay and Queer?

>> No.40381753

>>40381705
No, they don't

>> No.40381758

>>40381604
At the very least you might notice that gender dysphoria is typically treated by helping the patient move towards a lifestyle that makes them feel comfortable. It's the same way calling a mentally handicapped person a retard to their face is considered impolite, so is calling someone with GID the gender theu don't want to be called.

>>40381741
This fits into this idea as well, these people have a disorder, by yelling at them to get over it and deal with what they are it's you who is making it an issue.

>> No.40381765

>>40381658

It's not LGBTQFA anymore, get with the times.

It's QUITLBAG.

>> No.40381769

>>40381747
>Actually why is there Lesbian and Gay and Queer?
gays hate each other, for whatever reason

>> No.40381776

>>40381563
If they have to remind themselves perpetually what your preference is, then you're both at fault and a shitty transgendered person.

If you look like a man, you will be called a man. When I had my ponytail people confused me with a woman when they weren't paying attention, but guess what? Its my fucking fault, and I didn't cry about it to tumblr.

If you want to be called a her, look like and act like a her. If you know that's not possible, then maybe you should stop trying to reinvent yourself in a gender you can't even pass as.

>> No.40381796

>>40381776
They never said they had to remind people constantly, they just said they'd drop people who made it an issue.

That honeslty just seems to make sense to me.

>> No.40381803

>>40381769
The LGBTQA-or-something community is essentially Mean Girls. I know this from experience.

>> No.40381804

>>40381601
Then you're literally the problem. You see something stupid and have to play the self deprecating American, then other foreigners see it and then shitpost about how inferior Americans are.

>> No.40381819

>>40381758
>It's the same way calling a mentally handicapped person a retard to their face is considered impolite, so is calling someone with GID the gender theu don't want to be called

That's not equivalent whatsoever. The equivalent would if I went up to someone with gender dysphoria and started yelling at them for being mentally ill. Having someone not play along with your delusions isn't them same as them attacking you. Holy shit you're crazy.

>> No.40381828

>>40381747
Queer = "Miscellaneous."

It's anything that isn't the standard Straight Gender-Role-Conforming Cis but doesn't get neatly shelved into the other letters. Like, crossdressers who still identify as men? Queer.

>> No.40381838

>>40381796
>they just said they'd drop people who made it an issue.

So you're saying it's a good idea for someone to constantly "drop" people until they're left with a tiny group of friends who adhere to their fairly narrow ideology?

Isn't that how cults are formed?

>> No.40381840

>>40381658
Who added Furry to the mix I do not approve of this. Sooner or later the whole alphabet will be in there. Lets just do what prince did and have a symbol or something.

>> No.40381855

>>40381705
Not to be that guy but... blacks can and have gotten into the KKK. I wouldn't believe it either... but one of their former black members came around doing presentations that I sadly missed.

>> No.40381863

>>40381530
>Stop thinking that acting like a channer outside of 4chan is in anyway cool or acceptable. Don't you know about rules 1 and 2?

In response to
>Are you for real? Why would you focus on your sexuality in a game about killing monsters and shit?

Well.

>> No.40381882

>>40381758
>It's the same way calling a mentally handicapped person a retard to their face is considered impolite, so is calling someone with GID the gender theu don't want to be called.
"Mentally retarded" and "mentally challenged" mean essentially the same thing, while "he" and "she" are complete opposites. The issue here is someone insisting on language that -denies reality-.

>yelling at them to get over it and deal with what they are it's you who is making it an issue

Which is a far cry from using the pronoun they don't want.

>> No.40381884

>>40381863
This is gold.

You know, I love the internet but it does have the incredibly bad side effect of letting typically isolated crazy people band together into a mob despite their relatively small numbers.

>> No.40381885

>>40381840
Nvm I found the perfect symbol

>> No.40381891

>>40381885
Turn the balls into ovaries and you're done.

>> No.40381899

>>40381884
I want to ask why, but I don't want to get banned.

>> No.40381901

>>40381758
>At the very least you might notice that gender dysphoria is typically treated by helping the patient move towards a lifestyle that makes them feel comfortable. It's the same way calling a mentally handicapped person a retard to their face is considered impolite, so is calling someone with GID the gender theu don't want to be called.

I failed college in a very spectacular way, and because of it I get very uncomfortable remembering just how bad I fucked up my life, in fact I'd go so far as to say I get morose and quite depressed when someone points it out.

If I asked people to treat me as though I graduated college, and someone points out that isn't possible since I did not graduate college, does that make them an asshole?

Should I "drop" that person and spend my time with people who say I did?

>> No.40381904

>>40381840
Yeah, I want the B taken off now so don't have to associate with any of that now. Furries are a fucking fandom of fetishists and annoying attention identity whores.

If F really stays on there they're all getting called faggots. I'll be a faggot among faggots, but at least I don't have to pretend furries are invited.

>> No.40381927

>>40381904
But anon, feeling like an animal at heart is only half a step away from feeling like a [I don't know, unicorn-gender?] at heart, and therefore just as valid!

>> No.40381936

>>40381904
Oooh I can see it now The pride of the homo's + others represented by a huge fucking F.
I love it print out a million t-shirts.

>> No.40381963

Sweet jesus, referring to someone by what they want you to refer to them as is not difficult in the least you autistic children

>> No.40381968

The entire transgender movement can be summed up as
>muh feelings

>> No.40381981

>>40381963

Exactly.

A pronoun is just a name.

>> No.40381982

>>40381963
>referring to someone by what they want you to refer to them as is not difficult in the least you autistic children

>Please, do not call me a murderer
>Call me a "dashing rogue"

>> No.40381985

>>40381963
Easily enough just say the persons name. So-n-so wants this or that belongs to So-n-so. That's what I do and no problems so far.

>> No.40381995

>>40381968

that's every fucking movement.

what the fuck else matters?

We are all dead anyway.

>> No.40381996

>>40381963
The issue has nothing whatsoever to do with "difficult" or "easy".

>> No.40382000

>>40381995

Personally I think death goes against my right to live.

>> No.40382002

>>40381968
And yet, on the scale of obtrusive to non-obtrusive, asking someone to refer to them as the gender they want is less obtrusive than asking someone to use coasters.

>> No.40382018

>>40381996
No you're right, even if it was hard not being an asshole to someone just because you think that they have a mental problem would be the right thing to do.

>> No.40382023

>>40382002
"Change your language so that it uses words that validate my fantasy" is extremely fucking obtrusive.

>> No.40382035

>>40382002
Forcing people to lie to you to feed your fantasies in the behavior of a tyrant.

>> No.40382049

>>40382023

If you think that genders have anything to do with sex, I laugh at you.

>> No.40382060

>>40382023
>>40382035
What makes you so sure it's a fantasy?

>> No.40382089

>>40382049
That's exactly what pronoun gender is tied to.

The sense of the word that you're trying to push was invented in the 50s.

>> No.40382125

>>40382060

The number of little kids on Vine declaring themselves to be genderfluid and "you need to check my pronouns" makes me believe the vast majority of them are faking it.

You know, like LITERALLY EVERY OTHER TREND FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS.

Remember when people were all "oh I'm so emo~" or "goth" or "ADHD, lolz" or the hundreds of other special snowflake trends? People say they're Trans* or emo, almost all of them (almost) get over it, and settle down for something way more traditional while looking at their past behavior with a tinge of embarrassment.

>> No.40382127

>>40382060
Because if you were actually a girl then people would know it.

>> No.40382130

>>40382089
literally every word in every fucking language was "invented" at some point, age of invention is irrelevant
also, evolution is a natural part of every language

>> No.40382184

>>40382130
The circumstances surrounding the invention and the fact it's only being kept alive by a specific political movement, however, are very relevant.

>age of invention is irrelevant
>"Dude you made that up five minutes ago, and no one uses it but you!"
>AGE OF INVENTION IS IRRELVANT. LANGUAGE EVOLVES.

>> No.40382213

I shudder to think of a future where we not only entertain but bow to the delusions of others.

>> No.40382215

>>40382130
>>40382184

It's all about how many people adopt a term.

Pluto is not a planet, and it was only a planet since 1930, when it was first discovered.

>> No.40382225

>>40382213

On what basis do you think your delusions are valid?

>> No.40382233

>>40382125
>while looking at their past behavior with a tinge of embarrassment.

You know -- just 'cause you did this, doesn't mean eveyrone else did.

>> No.40382250

>>40382225

Medical professionals, who confirmed that over 70% of children seen for potential ADHD back in the late 90s-early 00s had ADHD.

It was quite an epidemic, and then it just... Stopped, might have been something in the water, no?

>> No.40382261

>>40364195
Where do you hang out? Portugal?

>>40368692
Also, this retard. Jacob's syndrome males and metafemales are just big, sexuality doesn't come into to.


Actually, wow, fuck no. This thread is too much.

I learned something new today from numerous discourses. It turns out autism is caused by having a different opinion. Brb gonna go right a thesis.

Also all the people in here who would pander to confused people who want special treatment because they didn't get what they want from the gene lotto. Fuck, why did I even read this shit. Going to drink whisky until I pass out now, fuck your sjw shit tonight /tg/ better fucking be some good threads tomorrow, free of boo hoo muh victimhood.

>> No.40382286

>>40382250

That's an anecdote with no context.

Unless you trying to say everything's bullshit, at which point, why be an asshole?

Would you call him Muhammad Ali?

>> No.40382290

>>40380203
Before I kill myself with alcohol poisoning.

Can some explain to this waste of carbon why he's wrong, and needs to be slapped up side the head.

>> No.40382299

>>40381684

No, but I can tell you a bit

Game was Star Wars d6.

Gay PC got kidnapped and brainwashed by the super-telepath that worked for the Big Bad, as a favor for the PC's dad. The group managed to rescue him, but not before she forced him to have sex with her.

The player of the gay PC had agreed on it, so there wasn't any troubles on that front.

Then, a catgirl, who was another PC and had a crush on the guy ,started trying to get in his pants, taking advantage of his altered mental state, without trying to remind him he prefered the d. She succeeded.

When he eventualy got his mind restored, it was a bit awkward, but he forgave her. Because after all, what's a little rape between friends?

>> No.40382307

>>40382290
>Can some explain to this waste of carbon why he's wrong, and needs to be slapped up side the head.

Most of them do the work for us.

>> No.40382321

>>40382290
Gender is biological, sex is biological.

Keep drinking nigger

>> No.40382332

>>40382321
You ever fuck up so bad

>> No.40382344

>>40382127
So if someone can pass for a girl, they're actually a girl?

>>40382125
>makes me believe the vast majority of them are faking it.
>vast majority of them are faking it.
>vast majority of them

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure plenty of them are, but some people faking it doesn't necessarily mean others aren't.

>>40382261
>people who want special treatment because they didn't get what they want from the gene lotto.

People with hereditary conditions and physical deformities say hi.

>> No.40382368

>>40382344
>So if someone can pass for a girl, they're actually a girl?
why not?

>> No.40382377

>>40382344
They want special treatment socially speaking, they want exceptions and normal people to understand and go out of their way so some entitled prick doesn't get pissy.

>> No.40382380

>>40382344
>Don't get me wrong, I'm sure plenty of them are, but some people faking it doesn't necessarily mean others aren

Transsexuals constitute such a tiny minority of people, even by "non-hetero" standards, that the sheer volume of folk chirping up about ever more obscure sexual orientations makes me believe a huge percentage of them, if not the majority, are faking it for attention.

The number of Trans* in your average country is so tiny that you could go your entire life without meeting one, and yet they're absolutely everywhere in both media and education.

Truly, they are the .3%

>> No.40382390

>>40378771
You are truly a fisher of men. God bless you.

>> No.40382399

>>40382344
>People with hereditary conditions and physical deformities say hi.
>literally comparing someone with gender dsyphoria to someone who is psychically incapable of functioning normally
You're fucking scum what the fuck

>> No.40382454

>>40382380

That seems unlikely, as I knew a FtM from college.

>> No.40382466

>>40382344
Are you a fat white girl with pink hair or something? Your stupidity confounds the senses.

>>40382344
Being confused about what gender you are isn't a physical deformity you half wit.

>> No.40382479

>>40382454

>college

>> No.40382511

>>40382344
>People with hereditary conditions and physical deformities say hi.

>Implying people like you have no problem with mocking, ridiculing or otherwise treating white heterosexual men with physical deformities or injuries poorly

>> No.40382520

>>40382399
>>>/jp/

>> No.40382589

>>40382377
You know what? I've always held that the highest ideal is to have everything you need to feel complete, a group of people who care about you, and beyond that, no one gives a fuck about you, positive or negative, unless it's their job.

I don't know what transsexuals want, but I would think the ideal would be that if someone misgenders someone else, they politely correct them, then the other person just says "oh, sorry", even though they don't actually care. Because they've got better things to do than get into a random argument with a stranger over gender.

>>40382399
Calm whatever's on your chest. Hereditary conditions can refer to things like depression or heart conditions, and physical deformities can refer to things like less-than-perfect eyes, which require glasses to correct. Hell, not not all physical deformities are THAT detrimental. It's telling that you jump to the worst possible interpretation, though.

>>40382466
>Being confused about what gender you are isn't a physical deformity you half wit.

But they're both results of not getting what you want from the gene lotto.

>>40382511
Considering I'm a white bisexual man with physical deformities and injuries, I avoid it if I possibly can.

>> No.40382591

>>40382479

What about it?

>> No.40382975

I've played boardgames with this FtM guy. He was chill.

Actually all my positive interactions with trannies were with FtMs. I think it's because the hormone injections turn them normal instead of the other way around.

>> No.40384548

Yes.

In character I played a character who treated himself as a girl.

Out of character I know an MtF person and I'm pretty closeted myself.
But I don't want to be looped in with the fucking tumblr genderfluid bullshit crowd.

>> No.40385309

>>40354651
I am unclear on the status of actual transness or not OOC because online game, but he wanted to be it IC.

It was very awkward to try to get an explanation how he is planning to keep it as an important character trait when one party member can switch his sex around on request. Or without request the moment she catches wind of his dramatic suffering. Or how most of the world won't actually give a fuck so his traumatic backstory doesn't make sense.

>>
Name (leave empty)
Comment (leave empty)
Name
E-mail
Subject
Comment
Password [?]Password used for file deletion.
Captcha
Action