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Post about FFG, d6, Saga/d20, X-wing, Lego, trailers, and anything else Star Wars Related

RPG books and resources(EotE, AOR, D6, Saga, RuneQuest)

Rescue on Glare Peak (AoR adventure module)

Visual Guides

Deckplans and such

shipfags's mostly complete hanger of discount wonders:

Shipfag's Ugly Starfighter Creation System

Just what IS a Gundark? The Wildlife of Star Wars: a Field Guide is here to answer you!

Coruscant Translator - Like Google, but for the GFFA

FFG Dice and You


Danon's Star Wars Uglies Compilation v1.0 (illustrated)

Daily Reminder that for a thousand generations, the Jedi knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy...Before the dark times. Before the Empire.

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Who controls the Imperial crown?
Who keeps the Ralltiir System down?

>> No.39536673

Uhhh... bring shotguns?

>> No.39536688

Questanon, we care about you. Stop with the non-SW quests, I think it's actually driving you insane. Well, even more insane.

Oh yeah, thread. How do I make 3 Starvipers in a Scum List work?

>> No.39536739

ok, so that's step 3 or so in the Fanfiction Single Father Cliches.....
next we should see katara offering to take the baby so that zuko can sleep.... I give it less than three chapters before she decides to co-sleep with zuko and the baby, and it will only get worse from there

> Who turns down un-supervised necking? Who does that?
someone who is not being shipped with the person that they are turning down
he can't slow down, he can't hold back, though you know you wish he could

>> No.39536759

Any systems with lightsaber design?

>> No.39536772

Seriously, though, it's not Star Wars-related. /swg/ is only really /tg/-related half the time already, so let's try to keep things pertinent to Star Wars.

>> No.39536803


Saga Edition does it. Jedi Academy Training Manual.

>> No.39536811

Always remember Rule One and ask yourself, why was it created in the first place.
Rule One: Do not act incautiously when confronting little bald wrinkly smiling men.
I... cannot.
There ain't no rest for the wicked until we close our eyes for good.
That's why I have been waiting for threads to start dying now.

>> No.39536834

fair enough
quest, let's save the next update for after the thread really gets going, yeah?

so XWW, how's XW:HD going? new update soon?

>> No.39536842

But he's not any of those things.

>> No.39536856


He IS a man.

>> No.39536862

Maybe. Other obligations and my general inability to write a proper rising action may delay any new material until the end of the month.

>> No.39536906

Rule One (amended for the GFFA): Do not act incautiously when confronting an wrinkly, lightsaber-wielding, hermit man.

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Late, as per usual.

>> No.39536986

you know, I really love the articles on starwars.com that address shit from the Jedi Prince series. it's like you can TELL that the author is going to a great deal of effort to keep a straight face

>> No.39537358

I thought Rule 1 was "Don't cut your head off with your Lightsaber".

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I thought it was "Don't talk about lightclubs."

>> No.39537398

I've been rereading Pratchett recently.
Quiet, you.

>> No.39537433

I'm still working my way through Pratchett. My first introduction was when I was too young to understand what was happening, so I could only work my way through "Good Omens".

>> No.39537520

I started with The Light Fantastic, Men At Arms, and The Truth that my dad bought me from a bazaar held in an airplane hangar at.... I think RAF Lakenheath. The cover of Light Fantastic made me think this was some Tolkien knockoff stuff where the author had died years ago.
Then I read it.
Then I found out the author was still alive (at the time) and that there were a LOT more books about.
Now I have a whole shelf of Pratchett, including a signed copy of Making Money in which I have hidden my two dollar bill.

>> No.39537601

>signed copy
Lucky son of a blaster. I've got an Allston signed, but it was only "Outcast" and not a hardcover Wraith novel like I had hoped to obtain before another convention.

>> No.39537719

That's what you get for not going to the national book convention on the National Mall as a birthday present.
I wish I'd gotten to at least meet Allston at a con before he passed. Everything I hear about him is just... goddamn.

>> No.39538014

Hey, what was that site with all the cards for x-wing?

>> No.39538271

There are a couple of reference sites.
http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/ is an excellent and quickly updated squadbuilder

http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/X-Wing_Miniatures_Wiki has all the information you could ever need.

>> No.39538297

Thank you!

>> No.39538435

one of my major goals is to, at some point, get Mr. Zahn to sign my copy of Heir To The Empire. first EU book I ever bought and it's just spiraled from there

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Dark Souls is a wonderfully masochistic way to occupy your time... When's the new rebels starting? I'm afraid to search sites for fear of finding spoilers about the movie.

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Blasted phone, forgetting my name!

>> No.39538634

Shit, I don't even remember what my first one was. I do know that I read HoT before I read T-cubed. I do remember it was one of the Bantam ones... maybe one of the Young Jedi Knights books.... or... wait, no. I remember, the very first one was one of the character journals. Either Luke or Anakin. Then it was the Episode 1 novel and onwards into Bantam.
God damn, do I love that cartoon.
Rebels season 2 starts with another movie in the summer and then the season in the fall. LIke 23 episodes this time or something? And what spoilers for the movie? Literally everything you'll find is complete bullcrap unless it's speculation about some things found out during Celebration, where there's some concept art of the black stormtrooper with a lightsaber

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>black stormtrooper with a lightsaber
I don't know whether to applaud the McQuarrie reference or to add another mark to the "Impending Bad Writing" tally.

>> No.39538724

actually, immediately after reading the Thrawn Trilogy, the next two books that I bought were the HoT books, which left me slightly confused, though the only REAL surprise was that none of the stuff between the two, which I knew to be a lot, had already hooked up like and mara. before I knew about all the callista et al mumbojumbo, I figured that it was gonna happen in pretty much the next book immediately after the Thrawn Trilogy

>> No.39538743


Having seen the Rebels season 2 premiere "movie" at Celebration, I can tell you it is awesome. Title is "The Siege of Lothal", but only because Disney couldn't get away with "Darth Vader Beats the Shit Out of Everyone and Destroys a Rebel Fleet With Just His Lone TIE".

>> No.39538838

Fuck, you mean the season two trailer is JUST that movie? Fucking hell, I need to see it now.
Well he's not actually in the armor in the concept art, from what I hear. But he apparently is who Luke is speaking to in the new trailer. And also, that's apparently why we have him popping up and looking bewildered in the first one, because there has been a change in the Force and he felt it and he is super freaked out.
Also, this Poe Dammeron character is supposed to be the hottest fighter jock in the galaxy, which tells me that we shouldn't be expecting Dennis Lawson anytime soon.
Yeah, I don't really remember my reaction to Callista at all, but looking back, that whole thing is just creepy. I thought Mara was pretty cool and having read a significant portion of the EU, Zahn's commentary on power creep as spoken by Mara is very relevant. It was also interesting to reread HoT having read most of the other EU and realize that this whole duology is "I have read your books and I find them wanting."

>> No.39538937


The majority of the season two trailer is JUST that movie, yes. Like 55% or something. Maybe a little more.

>> No.39539121

I just bought Age of Rebellion.

Looks like the tits. I can't wait to run Only War: Star Wars Edition.

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>supposed to be the hottest fighter jock in the galaxy
What, has the legend retired or something? Because I don't think this new motherfucker has two Death Stars on his tally.

>> No.39539500


Poe Dameron at least bills himself as the hottest fighter jock in the galaxy.

JJ did approach Denis Lawson asking if he wanted to be in The Force Awakens. Denis said he'd only do it if he got to be a main character. JJ instead wrote him out.

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>Denis said he'd only do it if he got to be a main character. JJ instead wrote him out.
>Abrams not including Wedge
And this is a director who claims to love Star Wars. Out-fucking-standing.

>> No.39539597

Even Han, Luke, and Leia are just side characters. The emphasis is on the new batch of people for the main movies, so it doesn't make a ton of sense for him to be brought as a main character as well.

But that doesn't mean he can't be a main character in one of the Anthologies.

>> No.39539647

>it doesn't make a ton of sense for him to be brought as a main character as well.
Considering that Wedge has been basically an elite mook for the Rebels in all three films he appeared in, yes it does. He could be a real character for once.
I love Wedge too, but just going by the films, he was Luke's wingman for DS1, Luke's wingman on Hoth, and Lando's support for DS2
Biggs got more characterization that Wedge.

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I distrusted Abrams completely (and hearing about Wedge did not help matters) until he said one single magic word: "Jakku".

Now, I know Abrams is fond of disinformation campaigns in the leadup to releasing movies, but I want to believe Jakku is not just Tatooine under a new name, because I want to believe Abrams is trying to do something original here and not just try to do the same insincere sly-wink-to-the-audience bullshit he did when he shat all over Wrath of Khan with Star Trek Into Darkness.

It's the same reason why I hope to god that Kylo Ren is not a pseudonym for Revan like the rumors keep saying, because he'll ruin Revan the same way he ruined Khan. Khan was supposed to be Napoleon, not Hannibal Lecter, and Revan is practically the Star Wars Napoleon.

>> No.39539684

I doubt the Big Three will be side characters to the same degree Wedge was. Luke will probably be relevant throughout the film as a mentor and Han will probably end up as the party's chauffeur while Leia drives from the backseat. It's still disappointing. Wedge could have appeared as the team's obligatory major military ally. Maybe he'd actually be able to take the lead in a battle for once with Luke playing wingman.

>> No.39539880

I'd guess that there's a decent chance that even if abrams WANTED to have wedge as a main, the studio would have said 'no bloody way, we're not gonna have a minor character in a major role just because he's big in the EU'. hell, there's a decent chance that that might well have happened.
maybe we'll get lucky and see him and Billy in episode 8 (though I think that Mr. Williams didn't do 7 because his docs said his health wasn't good, so I could easily see him showing up in 8 if the docs give him the OK )

>> No.39539986

the shitshow that was Wrath Of Kahn II: truther boogaloo is really not his fault, though. the script was by some other jackass, he was just the director

>> No.39540013


The script was by Damon Lindelof, who Abrams worked with extensively on Lost. Lindelof also co-wrote Prometheus.

Abrams knew exactly what he was getting when he got Lindelof to write the screenplay.

>> No.39540102

geogre lucas sells to disney for 4.3 billion. new director/writer tanks movies losing disney even more billions. lucas offers to buy back SW at a fraction of what he sold it for. uses extra cash to bank roll new SW movies.

>> No.39540229


Lucas doesn't want to do any new ones because people wouldn't stop screaming at him about Jar Jar Binks more than ten years later.

>"Why would I make any more, when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?"

>> No.39540236

If that were the plan I'd call it brilliant, but that can't be the plan since the new movies are probably going to poison new fans.

>> No.39540269

>Try watching Rebels
>It's awful

Does this get any better, or have some twist where they all bite it before ANH, or really any reason to keep watching?

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Tarkin shows up and shit gets real.

>> No.39540327

The show actively gets better with every episode, every episode is just better than the last, with the first being pretty lame world building, and the Season 1 finale being damn amazing.

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Because George Lucas loves making money.

There was also casting the whitest man alive as a very not European character. That was a minor problem though.

>> No.39540372

Yes. Yes, it does get better. Your patience in putting up with the bumbling incompetence of the Lothal garrison will be rewarded when Governor Tarkin arrives and shit abruptly gets real.

>> No.39540377

That's what I get for not hitting Update before hitting Post.

>> No.39540406


>every episode is just better than the last

Not really, no. For one, Fighter Flight happened right after Droids in Distress. For another, Out of Darkness happened after Breaking Ranks, which in turn happened after Rise of the Old Masters.


Rebels season 1 is not very good overall, but it does have its good bits. The season progresses in a curious cycle of writers, Weisman-Gilroy-Hopps. Weisman formerly wrote for Gargoyles, and manages to turn out okay-ish episodes like Droids in Distress (1), Breaking Ranks (4), and Gathering Forces (7). Hopps formerly wrote for The Smurfs and churns out Disney Channel animated sitcom garbage like Fighter Flight (2), Out of Darkness (5), and Idiot's Array (9). Henry Gilroy formerly wrote for Star Wars: The Clone Wars, and reliably turns out very strong episodes like Rise of the Old Masters (3), Empire Day (6), and Vision of Hope (10). Charles Murray popped in to write Path of the Jedi (8), for some reason, and thanks to Dave Filoni's brilliant direction it wound up the best episode of the show to that point.

Anyway, the Weisman-Hopps-Gilroy cycle keeps going for most of the season, and as a result episodes go in an okay-awful-good cycle. Path of the Jedi breaks up the monotony. Idiot's Array is simply painful; Lando manages to guest star in the worst episode of the season.

Then, after Vision of Hope, something amazing happens. Weisman teams up with Simon Kinberg, thereby re-forming the team that wrote Spark of Rebellion, and writes the solid Call to Action, in which Grand Moff Tarkin arrives and shit suddenly gets extremely real.

Henry Gilroy and Charles Murray team up to write the following episode, in which shit gradually gets even REALER.

And for the finale, Simon Kinberg writes and Dave Filoni directs and the show FINALLY deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as The Clone Wars.

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That's good to know, I'll stick it out then.

>> No.39540420

It gets better, not a lot better or anything, but better by a certain margin, some cool stuff happens towards the end but the dialogue's still balls, the characters don't have much character and every episode but the last two or so hit you over the head with its message so hard I think it's trying to give me a concussion.

>> No.39540483


Oh, also: if you want to like the characters more, read A New Dawn. A New Dawn is a pretty great novel written by John Jackson Miller which details how Kanan and Hera met six years before the show starts. Kanan, in the novel, is a freighter pilot and an alcoholic, trying to lay low, pretend he can't use the Force, and drink away his memories of the Jedi Order. Hera is a Rebel agent investigating some unusual Imperial activity. They wind up adventuring together.

It's made Hera pretty much my favorite, and it's really helped me like Kanan too.

>> No.39540873

He'd be like 4,000 years old. Even for Star Wars, that's hard to explain away. Maybe, MAYBE Revan's spirit possessing some dark Jedi.

>> No.39540905

Hmmm. Different anon, but I'll probably pick up A New Dawn after I finish Tarkin. Thanks for the endorsement/summary.

>> No.39541177

>I want to believe Abrams is trying to do something original here
>do something original

He hasn't done anything original in his life on the big screen. Cloverfield, Super 8, Star Trek, are all hobbled together Frankenstein's monsters of other, better films.

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Fuck... I'm so used to clicking spoilers by habit...

I'm going to pretend I didn't see that and focus instead on
Yes, that is truly glorious
Well, I rather enjoyed all the episodes, but that may be because I enjoyed the subtle things in the background instead of actual dialogue.
The speeders being used, ships, droids, weapons, flora and fauna. Those made me enjoy every episode... But I will fully agree that the final episodes where they team up as writers were vastly superior.

Cleaned my phone of picture and this is the last star wars image I have.... I was suggesting someone use this in a media presentation about women's lib and going bra-less... The Korean didn't get the reference.

>> No.39542236

Who keeps the Moffship off the maps?
Who keeps Trioclops under wraps?

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>> No.39542688

>not /swg/.jpg

You had one job anon.

>> No.39542723

What's the Polikarpov Po-2 of Star Wars? I want to make a quasi-588 reference.

>> No.39542760

C-73 Tracker or Toscan 8-Q, maybe?

>> No.39542761

A flying anachronism?
I dunno, maybe something like a YG-4210

>> No.39542827

Yeah, shit gets realer than real in Call to Action with mothafukken Tarkin and what with him blowing up the comm tower and the episode just ending in static but it still contains Ezra's underwhelming speech which has no place in such a dramatic moment.

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Who robs smugglers of their sight?
Who maintains the Noghri blight?

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So guys, does anyone here play Empire at War? What are some good mods? What are some of your favorite things about the game?

>> No.39543414

it's called thrawn's revenge/Imperial Civil War, and it is the greatest

>> No.39543435

EaW is a casualized and modernized Rebellion, with all the good and bad that entails.

>> No.39543461

Could you explain?

>> No.39543531 [DELETED] 

Thrawn's Revenge/Imperial Civil War is indeed where it's at, mods wise. Republic at War is also quite good though balance is a bit hit and miss (Fucking munificent can out DPS almost anything and are small enough to swarm you).
Core game wise, the space battles are great fun. Land battles, less so. Maps tend to be too big and combat tends to be very slow between infantry. The expansion fixes this for the Zahn Consortium, but that's because they're mad OP speshul snowflake expansion faction.

>> No.39543555

Thrawn's Revenge/Imperial Civil War is indeed where it's at, mods wise. Republic at War is also quite good though balance is a bit hit and miss (Fucking munificent can out DPS almost anything and are small enough to swarm you).
Core game wise, the space battles are great fun. Land battles, less so. Maps tend to be too big and combat tends to be very slow between infantry. The expansion fixes this for the Zahn Consortium, but that's because they're mad OP speshul snowflake expansion faction.

>> No.39543556

Toscan works. Now to fit 5 of them with stealth devices... as in paint them black.

>> No.39543581

Its hard to post via wiiu, but to put it simply, a number of features from rebellion are slightly improved, such as individual ship mechanics, the addition of ground combat, heroes being actual units in combat, varous modern touches such as ui layout, graphics, story etc.
The downside are the stripped down or out features, missions for units and heroes, 3d ship combat, admittedly nigh worthlessly implemented, diplomacy and popular support, including rioting requiring subjugation via garrisons, unlimited ships per fleet, all of which are in combat, variable galaxie sizes with potentially long as fuck travel times accross the galaxy, you can assign admirals generals commanders to improve fleets, tons of eu characters, TIE Defenders, all kinds of mechanics differences for rebel/empire, such as the empire being able to assassinate.
Its one of those things where you wish they had taken the ideas from this older game, which eaw obviously takes influence from, and made them better instead of stripping them out in favor of ease of access.

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Not that guy, but I CAN plug Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion. There are a few Star Wars mods out for it, all of varying quality:
-Sins of a Galactic Empire: The most fleshed out, with the most content, but also some serious balance issues.
-Ascendancy: Made by the same folks who made Thrawn's Revenge for Empire at War, it's a solid mod. Only complaint is the UI rework, makes it hard to see wtf is going on.
-Interregnum: Still in Alpha, but has a nice combination of content and polish. Also, you get to choose one of 4 Imperial Warlords to ally with if you choose the Remnant faction, which is fun (cloaked SSD's hooray). My personal favorite.

I recommend picking up Sins on a sale, it's a ton of fun.

>> No.39543601

Is the Z3r0x mod still around, i always preferred it to RaW

>> No.39543649

Do any of those mods take advantage of the Stellar Phenomenon DLC? Cause that was actually a pretty cool DLC.

>> No.39544030

Question /set/, how much Duty should I be giving to my AOR group? I can't seem to find any guidelines in the CRB.

>> No.39544041


Better to just post this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Rebellion

>> No.39544066


Not even on page 46?

>> No.39544162

Well I'm posting from work on my lunch break, I'll look when I get home.


I think my first was Before the Storm. So I was pretty fucking confused. Still it's probably why I have this fetish for the K/E-Wing.

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Yeah, just about every mod does these days. Also, a lot of them incorporate the Enhanced 4X mod, which adds a whole slew of new random events, planet types and qualities, etc.

Love the variety of Star Destroyers that mods like Interregnum has. Also, being able to throw Admiral Piett and his Allegiance-Class SD at people I don't like is very entertaining.

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New raider preview!


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>> No.39545054

I've grown to love the Decimator. Quirky oversized Interceptor wings or not, it still looks like it is all about kicking serious ass and taking rebel scum names

>> No.39545102

That's the Raider, ano-

Dammit FFG, fix your filenames. First the UIDs so we can't guess card URLS, now this?

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>BBC 2 head says Clarkson "will be back on the BBC"
>There's still hope for future Clarksonian shenanigans
I feel the Emperor's blessing return. New Top Gear chapter coming soon.

>> No.39545579

going to my first EotE game tonight, /swg/. we're doing one session with pre-gened characters, to get a feel for it, then starting next week with our own.

Setting is apparently the old, old, old, old, republic, far removed from any thing and pulling only from ANH and ESB as canon.

I'm curious, both with my GM's setting, and the system as a whole. any tips?

>> No.39545687

I love how they say it's the biggest ship in the game, using two whole bases! Just ignore that both the transport and CR90 did the same thing.

Still, now it just makes me want to see a huge Scum ship sooner rather than later. But if I do branch into Imperial I'll be grabbing one of these. Probably grab one for Armada too.

>> No.39545734

>This is why we started walking in single file . jaypeegee

>> No.39545736

>all Jedi wear tattooine tunics
Has this tragic misstep ever been explained

>> No.39545746

I have this hope that Jakku is Endor. Abrams canonizing the Endor apocalypse would forgive all sins.

>> No.39545836

So let's assume that the oversized solar panels aren't just for design aesthetics. Why would they need it? An outer ablative layer to protect the vital areas of the ship? Do they power a secondary life support for if main power gets knocked offline? Perhaps there are several hidden forward facing fighter bays in them, or an easy to dock to ring like the Wraiths developed for the Night Caller.

Or we could go with the two classical explanations. A: It was just a silly design choice by someone who had no idea what the wings on the TIE was used for, or It's a superweapon. Again. Nope, it couldn't be a fleet of Missile Boats, it HAD to be a superweapon. This one supercharges TIE Fighters to have the speed of Interceptors and Shields, while serving you a continental breakfast.

>> No.39545941

Just got my Gladiator in the mail, pictures soon as camera charges

>> No.39545945

I'm guessing redundant power supply and/or weapon emplacements

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Good man, would love to see the model and card upgrades.

Wonder why you got yours now. Usually Miniature Market is on top of things with shipping, but I've heard nothing of my preorder.

>> No.39546051

Thought: If the raider in Armada is cheap enough - and it has 2 anti-fighter dice.

What about:

One Victory or Imperial (depending on prices/upgrades) flanked by two raiders on either side (or in pairs) - or more.

You're getting a ton of anti-fighter potential and they can still help shoot big shit...at distance... and can fire->move rather than move OR fire that fighters have to do.

In short: 2x+ Raiders are a better option than any quantity of fighters.

>> No.39546116

Not always. I just got my Batman book I preordered from them in February last Saturday. Warstore had had it in stock for probably two weeks before MM finally shipped mine out.
I would imagine backup power. This does make me kind of wish they had taken a page from Empire at War and given us the Tartan Patrol Cruiser. Would at least break up the ship designs a bit so they aren't all just "a different star destroyer."

>> No.39546160

Imagine if they had given us Lancers or Carracks. They both seem to have a similar body plan, just different specs in terms of weapons and engines.

>> No.39546270

The carrack is far and away too big for XWM, being more than twice the length of the CR-90. The lancer is about 66% bigger, and is such pure murder against fighters that it would really not work. Of course, this doesn't explain why they didn't use the IPV-1, which would be essentially perfect, though I suppose the whole 'no vidya, no model' thing they seem to be holding to for XWM might be why

>> No.39546605


Wasn't it around the time Tarkin showed up in the Citadel episodes that The Clone Wars really came into its own?

Is Tarkin the perfect way to improve a TV show now?


>> No.39546634

>fix a show on it's 35th season, 100 seasons after the original showcasters and original arc ended
Anon... not even a Ghorman massacre could fix this travesty

>> No.39546741

So anyone ever been on Star wars combine? What am I in for?

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just got this photo of my gladiator and tie expansion in action, rebel scum will all die

i am slowly losing sanity

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>> No.39547370

mad that the Empire is winning?
haha lucky dice sure are helping me win this fight

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>hfft, pfft
>not hoooh-krrr

>> No.39548533

the H2O TIEs did make me giggle

>> No.39548591

muh poetry
But for real, just like Jango Fett's suspiciously familiar armor, presenting something with a preexisting visual association spares the effort of introducing something different. Why give the Jedi a different outfit and have to establish their new visual identity when you can make the audience automatically associate them with old Obi-Wan (who is a Jedi, mind blown) and get them to "believe" their identities right off the bat.

For a reverse example, see >>39539673
While the average "nerdy moviegoer" saw Benedict Cucumberbund and immediately associated him with Sherlock (who is cool and smart just like Khan!), there was no connection to Ricardo's delicious swarthy self chewing up the set and spilling ham everywhere and it felt rather alienating to have the script hammer in that IT'S KHAN GUYS without doing anything to justify reusing the character first.
/end blog

>> No.39548688

When was the K-Wing ever vidya?

>> No.39548745

the K-wing DOES seem to be about the first exception to that rule, though possibly that's because otherwise they'd have nothing to match against this new imperial thing

>> No.39548796

>they'd have nothing to match against this new imperial thing
the new imperial thing is ugly as balls though and is an example of everything you DON'T do with a TIE variant.

Also, why did they give scum some random scrub as a level 9?

>> No.39548915

I have entirely given up on trying to understand FFG's design decisions as relate to the RPGs, let alone X-wing

>> No.39549374


Seriously, our choices otherwise would be like a a T-Wing or a Starchaser. Or You Know What Fighter.

>> No.39549457

yeah, the T-wing seems like it would be out, as it's essentially a shittier A-wing, and it's only real niche would be spam, and the rebels have the headhunter for that.
I would like to see the starchaser, Preybird and even the pinook as scum ships, maybe with an imperial card for the Preybird, give scum some fighters not repaints or from galaxies/FoC

>> No.39549518


At this point rebel choices are pretty much bottom of the barrel.

Imperial stuff is basically an infinite pool of crazy moff projects, and there's still a fair amount of Scum stuff to do from Galaxies and in general (wheres my Cloakshape FFG? You said there would be Cloakshapes)

But Rebels? We're down to the K, H, T and maybe even the M wing now, possibly the OTHER Defender too, although we'd need to rename that to something?

That's essentially it now. This is why I've been saying for months that X-Wing has nearly run it's life expectancy.
Their options now are either continue to do reprints of existing stuff but focus design and production onto Armada, or to bring out a V2 ruleset and starter and then follow it up with V2 conversion kits ala Descent.

>> No.39549551


You could run the T-Wing as a dedicated support/wingman ship. Like something that provides buffs to other ships, but has a good dial unlike the HWK.

>> No.39549652

personally, I'd start doing more Large Ships for the rebels at this point; stuff like the Nova Courier and maybe some clone wars fighters, too; V-wings and bellbullabs and the like

>> No.39549669


Port in old Republic and CIS fighters as Rebel ships.

Say that the Rebellion scavenged them.

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>> No.39549969

Clone Wars surplus for the win.

>> No.39550288

So how is star wars armada? It looks really cool, but the rules seem kinda weird and the dice are all funny

>> No.39550338

You could port both as ships to be taken by either side, I know the empire took over most of the remaining droids, and the rebels had a providence class for a flag ship in the comics, so both sides should have access.

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Only played a few games, but what I took away from it:
>Games are short and brutal
>Rules for Line of Sight/Range/Firing can be confusing as hell, pic related
>X-wings will absolutely wreck your shit if you let them
>The Corellian Corvette is Sonic in Space
>The Victory gets to use its prow armament once, maybe twice a game

Aside from my issues with the LoS rules, it's a pretty solid ruleset, the game flows well enough, and the mini's are pretty. If you can find a friend to split the core box with, even better.

>> No.39550426

well, the empire scrapped almost all of the droids and sold the rest, but they kept using V-wings and Eta-2s for a decent while, and even the occasional ARC-170 or Y-wing

>> No.39550518


In the new canon, it seems we're going to be dealing with a lot of Clone Wars leftovers during the Dark Times and into the GCW - Cham's rebellion on Ryloth uses leftover vulture droids carrying payloads of explosive buzzdroids, the Vader comic has him taking over a droid factory and producing a small army of commando droids (and he had to deal with SBDs and droidekas before that).

I'd imagine that Palpatine wouldn't have had them scrapped, just locked away, so the enterprising sort can find them and use them as they see fit. Bonus - any that do so up until the Rebellion begins can be safely called Separatist holdouts and punished without fear of political backlash.

>> No.39550536

They kept dwarf spider droids, why not keep the bigger stuff as well?

>> No.39550665

taht's only logical. the man reason I see for having the vast majority (which would still leave PLENTY) destroyed is so that there's no ready-made army sitting around for the next asshole who wants to take a go at things to use
presumably because occasionally using old CIS droids out in the border zones is gonna be less controversial than essentially re-branding the entire CIS navy and continuing to use it, which would stir up loadsa trouble for not much gain. IIRC about 90% of the CIS fleet was scrapped, and the rest was sold of to various PDFs and folks like the CSA. I imagine the manned fighters were probably less scrapped and more sold, while stuff like the vultures were almost entirely scrapped (of course, stuff not in imperial hands is still out there for whoever to use)

>> No.39550902


Well, also Star Wars Commander -- that little mobile game which is considered part of the new canon -- shows the Rebels using AATs and Hailfire Droids (converted for organic crew) alongside Juggernaut tanks, AT-TEs, AT-APs, and AT-RTs, while the Empire uses modern Imperial technology almost exclusively, though with the curious addition of the Umbaran mobile heavy cannon.

>> No.39551436

Rebs /have/ been down a Large ship since forever.

>the new imperial thing is ugly as balls though and is an example of everything you DON'T do with a TIE variant.
At least it isn't the Scimitar

other way around. The K-wing is the last -wing with a really "Star Wars" design, they had to find an Imp ship that could match it, PLUS carrying bombs since the K-wing would have had a cardboard overload otherwise.

>> No.39552815

I don't really see any problem with the Scimitar. what I think they ought to release is a wave with all-faction stuff like the Skipray or V-wing or even scum and imp cards for the CR-90

>> No.39553213

>all-faction stuff
I second this idea

>> No.39553248

Still find it fucking bizarre that the ships are faster than the squadrons. Unless you've got Adar Tallon or an ambush-style objective, B-wings are going to spend 90% of the battle getting into range and even VSDs can outrun them.

Also, how much of a pain are ISDs gonna be to maneuver? Pretty much anything within distance 1 is gonna cause a fishtail collision if you try to turn it.

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>mfw Armada will never have an Imperial Neb-B with Warspite title
>mfw I will never force other players to relive the tedium and frustration of the Redemption scenario on the tabletop

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How well do the old X-Wing and TIE Fighter games hold up? Do they run well on current gen PCs? I saw GoG has all of them in a $10 collection but will I spend more time fighting to get them running than actually playing?

>> No.39553609

I personally guarantee it will work first time every time. Based gog.
Still ain't beat that mission. Got hella far in TIE Fighter though.

>> No.39553782


Don't think it's too competitive, but it'll look bad ass.

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X-Wing works perfectly fine. TIE Fighter may turn into an eldritch, eye-bleeding morass of yellow and lag for some machines, though. It certainly has for mine, and my computer illiteracy and laziness have kept me from fixing the issue.

>Hasn't beaten the Redemption run
Don't bother charging your lasers. Power up shields in the calm before the storm, then book it towards Warspite as soon as it appears. Torp the bombers, ignore the fighters until all the bombers are dead. Also, order the shuttles to run home at the start so the TIEs don't kill them.

It's pretty luck-based. It may take a few tries before the TIEs try targeting your wingmen instead of the Redemption and Korolev. I'll admit that this is one of the few missions where I would gladly take an A-wing over my beloved T-65.

>> No.39553871


Yeah no, thats just starting duty. I meant more "In the course of play, how much should i give players for various things"

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How is the new Expanded Universe so far?

Are those new books any good?

>> No.39554508

Tarkin's pretty good. Haven't read any of the others.

>> No.39554724

Tarkin is probably my least favorite Luceno novel (granted, I haven't read most of his stuff). It reads like a history teacher trying to write a novel.

Heir to the Jedi is fun but kind of pointless overall.

A New Dawn was cool.

Lords of the Sith was great.

Haven't read any of the young reader's stuff.

The comics range from "meh" (Leia, Star Wars) to "awesome" (Kanan's one issue, Darth Vader throughout) with the art being "everything is traced"-tier for the main book, okay for Leia and Vader, and great for Kanan.

>> No.39554861

The Scimitar is a fucking excellent ship fluff-wise, but saddled by one of the ugliest designs ever.

>> No.39554965

Any tips for running large-scale space combat in Age of Rebellion? My group just offed a Moff on a planet, and are trying to make their getaway, but I was thinking about having them (with the support of a Nebulon-B or a CR90 or something and some starfighters) have to fight their way past the Moff's (former) Star Destroyer (maybe an Interdictor to keep them from just escaping). Lots of moving parts, maybe organizing a bombing run on the Interdictor or something.

How much of a pain in the ass will it be to run?

>> No.39555321


Well first I'd advise focusing on the players actions. You don't need to roll for the squadron of Y-wings engaging a squadron of TIE bombers off on the far end of the battlefield. Just deal with the flight of Interceptors tangling with their X-wings or whatever.

>> No.39555838


On GOG they work perfectly, BUT I recommend one thing to avoid graphical weirdness: when you have the launcher up, open the task manager. End the process called explorer.exe. Then start the game, leaving task manager open.

Once you're done, start explorer.exe up again from the task manager and you're golden.

>> No.39556011


When Tarkin is focusing on the present-day action, it's great.

But it does these constant interludes and flashbacks showing Tarkin's personal history, and while I get that it's part of who he is, I just struggle to care because it's all these little barely-related vignettes interrupting the perfectly serviceable plot.

A New Dawn is just tons of fun all the way through. It's not exactly DEEP, even though it's the longest novel so far, but it's good if you just want adventure. John Jackson Miller writes action scenes better than anyone else I know.

I've not heard many good things about Heir to the Jedi, and I have no idea about Lords of the Sith.

The Star Wars main comic book has been bland. There's nothing really WRONG with it, so much as the fact that its art just doesn't do anything special and the writing doesn't really "pop".

The Leia comic book has been nice. The art is very pretty, and story and the writing are more interesting than the main book. Where the main book is "meh", Leia is more like "respectably average".

Darth Vader has been fantastic. The art derps here and there, but the writing is brilliant and it seems like every single issue has some big bombshell it drops on you by the end.

Kanan's first issue ends on the best cliffhanger it could have had, and has been pretty solid. We'll see where the rest of it goes.

>> No.39556088

OK, ships that they should bring into X-Wing:
>V-19 Torrent
>maybe a Cutlass-9 for scum
>Scurrg H-6 bomber
>JumpMaster 5000

>> No.39556416

Oh god I'd love an A-Wing for that mission. And the ability to independently target missiles for the TIE mission I'm stuck on. It's where you've got to protect a convoy from traitor attack. When you show up, the enemy transports fire off space bombs and you have to shoot them all down.

>> No.39556625

Can confirm, Kanan is a great book. I added it to my pull list along with Leia though somehow I'm still getting Hulk even though I said I don't want it any more. God is that book disappointing, especially since I went out after watching Avengers again because "I'm always angry" is such a great portrayal of Banner and the comic is just... Not.
Also woo, just got back from the TMBG show at the 9:30 club.

>> No.39557240

Crap. Poor role play. People who have been around longer having everything and you can't do shit while they push you around.

>> No.39558316

>Still find it fucking bizarre that the ships are faster than the squadrons
Makes sense to me. They've got huge engines to go along with their huge mass. The downside of that is huge inertia, which makes maneuvering take longer.

That seems entirely sensible.

>> No.39558715

I really really really want the Chiss Clawcraft.

>> No.39561327

It looks cool, but how different would it be than a TIE Interceptor?

>> No.39562001

Clawcraft would be cool, but essentially just be a an arc dodging X-wing. I'm kind of hoping if they do X-wing fixes they'll make a bunch of title cards (XJ, StealthX etc..) to specialize it.

>> No.39562839

Is this decent?

[Unnamed Squadron]

Click to change squadron details

99 points


Boba Fett (53)
Firespray-31 (39), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Seismic Charges (2), Outmaneuver (3), Slave-1 (0), Anti-Pursuit Lasers (2)

“Howlrunner” (22)
TIE Fighter (18), Swarm Tactics (2), Targeting Computer (2)

Academy Pilot (12) x 2

>> No.39562850

>9:30 club
Like in downtown D.C. 9:30 club?

>> No.39562907

You betcha. Started with "Can't Keep Johnny Down" and ended with "Birdhouse In Your Soul". They even played "When Will You Die?" which gave the idea for a Darth Vader mixtape filled with the most inappropriate sings about the relationships in his life.

>> No.39562965

Not often I run into someone from my old stomping grounds. Saw a good few shows there myself. Saw Sevedust there when I was 17.

>> No.39563037

Drop APL from Boba and TC from Howlrunner to give Boba an Engine Upgrade.

>> No.39563757

How do you guys think a Cloakshape would work in X-Wing?

1 - 1 - 1 - 1 Stats, Focus and... Barrel Roll Maybe?

Upgrade Slots: Cannon or Missile?

Ten Points cheapest. Has a 0 Point non-Unique Title that lets it take two Modifications.

>> No.39563875

Should I play EotE? I've never played a tabletop rpg before, is it newbie friendly? Can I play as an Imperial dickhead?

>> No.39564292

Yes, yes and yes, as long as you don't mind being the informant rather than the secret police officer.

>> No.39564327

What large ships would you guys like to see for S&V?

I'd love to see
>Action VI (with the Wild Karrde title and Talon Karrde, Mara Jade pilots)
>Baudo-Class Yacht (with Pulsar Skate title and Booster Terrik & Mirax Terrik pilots)

>> No.39564955

Action VI would have to be an epic ship. At 125 meters, it's longer than the GR-75 medium transport, but not quite the size of a CR-90. Of course, with the Raider coming out, Scum will be the only faction without an epic ship, so it might be appropriate.

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XW:HD updated. Farlander and Horn: Space Cops may end up becoming its own spin-off series in the future.

>> No.39565235

As long as none of the jokes are...Forced.

>> No.39565478


>> No.39565506

it's only looking siller from here on out, and that's gon b gud

>> No.39565759

>how different would it be than a TIE Interceptor?
Clawcraft aren't fast, but maneuverable at close range. All green ones. Green two forward and bank. Shields and a sensor slot.

It would be closer to the Starviper than the Interceptor.

>> No.39565932

It's too bad there's no strategic element to lay on top of the game. It means that ships that have hyperdrives lose out on something that makes them more special than ones that don't.
Might be something to investigate for next edition. In the old B5 ACTA rules you could hold ships in hyperspace, and jump them in on later turns.

Give players a few extra dials with turn numbers on them and play them facedown on ship cards for stuff that hasn't arrived yet, and maybe a quadrant of the board too. On that turn the dials are revealed, figs are placed, and they spend a turn basically ionized or stressed, or something to keep them from just lol I range 1 vaporize you, but you still could get an advantage if you plan and maneuver correctly. Thoughts?

>> No.39566427

As long as rebel scum gets fucked over, i dont care.

Does anyone else remember that old ccg from around the time of TPM?

>> No.39566699

That would be cool. One of my favorite things about Firestorm Armada is the ability to jump ships in or out of the game. Would lend well to scenarios also.

I would also say op the points limit. I want epic dogfights with tons of ships without it feeling like it'll get too bogged down.

>> No.39566994


...Do people not actually like the Basilisk War Droid?

>> No.39567100

I love it.

>> No.39567153

You know where I may locate scans of the new comics? I'm not a massive consumer of comics so I'm not super familiar with where to get scans.

>> No.39567245

The win-o thread on /co/.

>> No.39568256

Yeah i meant Epic ship since S&V lack those at the moment. My bad

>> No.39570493

Yes, yes, and yes, though military matters would be better handled by AoR. If your party is an Inquisitorial hit squad, run evil FaD instead. It doesn't take much more than editing the fluff behind Duty or the FaD equivalent.

>> No.39570641

For me it's just the fact that they ride them like horses from orbit. Like, if they deployed from ships in the atmosphere, cool, if they were inside temporarily, cool, but they ride the outside. It's about as cool as the sky-surfing scene in Batman and Robin.

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>Implying surfing a Basilisk down from orbit isn't the epitome of cool
I don't even like Mandos and I think that's the most metal way to make an entrance ever.

>> No.39570974

I mean yeah, if I was still in high school I might think that was cool but realism is cool too? Like the ODST guys are slightly more realistic and still pretty sweet.

I don't know, maybe I'm disillusioned with boring ol' forget-about-physics-to-be-cool formula. It's overplayed.

>> No.39571028

I feel like I'm crazy, but am I the only one who would like to see Starkiller in Rebels as Vader's Ventress?

>> No.39571143

I'd rather have more delicious Ventress bounty hunter action than Mr.I-Started-The-Rebellion-On-My-Masters-Orders

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> maybe I'm disillusioned with boring ol' forget-about-physics-to-be-cool formula

>> No.39571164

You're not the only one, but Starkiller fans are few and far between.

And considering that several key members of the Story Group openly admitted that they're not fans of Starkiller and have plotlines and material devoted to overwriting his story (that go back to even before the Disney sale), the likelihood of him coming back is practically nonexistent.

>> No.39571200

>In Star Wars
Space battles occur at handshake range while starfighters dogfight like it's Space WWII. We can hear those space battles perfectly, too. Guys with laser swords and mind powers do battle on a regular basis. Said mind powers involve shooting hate-lightning from your nipples, leaping several stories, double-jumping, and lifting starfighters. A man took on dragons with his bare hands and ran at Doomguy speeds through numerous battlefields while carrying dozens of grenades, rockets, and firearms. FTL travel is casual and used all the time. A brain-damaged war criminal was put in charge of the galaxy's largest superpower.

Realism got thrown out the window a long time ago.

>> No.39571269

:( that sucks. I don't even necessarily want him as the starter of the rebellion. I just want Vader to have an apprentice and may as well use him. I think it'd be cool to write over a lot of his history and have Ahsoka fight for his soul in a vain attempt to get Anakin back.

>> No.39571368

>I just want Vader to have an apprentice and may as well use him.
That's what inquisitors are for.

An army of dark side users to hunt jedi, but no true sith

>> No.39571391

Has anyone made stats for Basilisk Wardroids?

>> No.39571426

No, I know what they are, but Sith religion practically demands Vader eventually take an apprentice. I know his favorite has always been Luke, but there could have been others. Shit, Sidious dicked around with Dooku and Maul before he found his true apprentice.

>> No.39571449

Vader has no more ambition really

Or at least not until proper order was completely established

>> No.39571689

Does anyone have that graphic of the duty chart that was flipped for Imperials? Every now and then I see it floating around but keep forgetting to save it.

>> No.39571744

He's Sith ambition is literally all he has. Even if his heart's not really in it anymore, Vader goes through the motions of ambition because that's all he allows himself to know because he set himself on a path. Vader had ambition. He always intended on over throwing the emporer. He HAD to overthrow the emporer. It's what a Sith's life leads to, overthrowing his master.

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>> No.39572381

Guys, I wanna make a charater for EotE/AoR and I need your opinion.
Drall Scholar or Scientist with tons of ranks in knowledge skills and nothing for combat.
Whenever there is a fight, he just rolls for knowledge against his opponents and uses the advatages or triumphs generated to upgrades an allied PC's next check, add boost die to their pool or regain strain.
Basically pure support (with access to Stroke of Genius eventually) who just uses his brains to assist his allies.

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Trigger warning that shit, ffs

So many missions I never completed

>Opening Mission of Y-Wing Career
>Scan all these cargo boxes
>theres like a dozen
>TIEs pop out of nowhere
>a frigate jumps in and starts dumping more
>get slaughtered every time

>> No.39572552


>haha, screwed up my namefagging

But really, I think I got a few missions into the XWing career, and most likely got stopped on the Redemption Scenario, because...fuck

The A-Wing Career was the only one I can ever remember doing well, but thats because the A-Wing is pretty forgiving in the beginning, but its lack of survivability becomes a hard wall that you smack into in later missions

Jeez, its been over twenty years since I played those games...

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It's not as bad as the other painful Y-wing mission in the first tour of duty. You know the one.

>Scan a convoy of dozens of shuttles for POWs
>Ion them
>All the shuttles are flying towards an enemy Neb-B while TIEs swarm your ass
>No wingmen
>Rescue transports can't take a goddamn hit

Fuck that mission. Fuck it and the goddamn BTL-A4.

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Yeeaaahhh, I think I do remember that one. I probably nope'd my ass right the fuck away from it .

I can't remember any of the missions from the X-Wing career except Redemption, and probably because they weren't particularly hard

I can't remember any missions from the A-Wing Career

>> No.39573641

Why not a Crusader?

>> No.39573821
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>I can't remember any missions from the A-Wing Career
Neither can I. Feels like the A-wing missions just passed by in a blur.

>> No.39574961

We talking the old Star Wars CCG? I never played that, but I played the Wars CCG that borrowed most of the mechanics. Was pretty fun.

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>in a blur

Haha, nice

>young kid talking to his grandpa about his time as an A-Wing pilot in the Rebellion
>"Grandpa, what was the war like?"
>"I don't remember, I was too busy going fast"

>> No.39576356

>Talking shit about my Y-Fu

Never okay.

>> No.39577563


>Playing BF2 on my PS2 earlier this evening
>space battle, based Imperials vs Rebels over I don't remember which planet
>grab landing ship
>destroy all targets inside with the time bombs
>grab enemy Y-wing to add insult to injury
>destroy everything outside
>still ~30 points from victory somehow
>fly bomber back to enemy hangar
>land and steal A-Wing for double insult
>bitches cant touch this
>unless I have the dumb
>I have the dumb
>maximum speed
>bounce off enemy Y-wing not just once
>not just twice
>THREE times
>then spin right round
>right round
>rockets up their exhaust

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>Your entire post
>shooting hate-lightning from your nipples
My fucking sides have left orbit, thank you Writefag.

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Being a resident mando-fag, and I don't understand how anyone doesn't like the idea of space barbarians riding giant droid warbeasts into orbit and destroying whole civilisations like star wars saiyans

>obsidian thought basilisks were stupid
>replaced them with a star viper

I love Obisidian, but goddamn that made me 200% mad

>> No.39577928

So you'd basically be Navi, pointing out the enemy's weaknesses in every fight? Could be cool.

>> No.39577962

I have no problems with the general concept of orbit-dropped mech cavalry, but that muzzle gun-cluster is just so fucking stupid.

>> No.39578011
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Don't forget that two human beings in cloth robes fought mere feet from lava for several consecutive minutes and neither one ignited until one of them touched it directly.

That same man survived total immolation and dismemberment long enough to be permanently entombed in a life support suit with no visible air tanks, food supply, or waste disposal system. In which he survived for more than 20 years.

And another man survived being cut in half long enough to graft himself to robotic legs and live in a junkyard for 10 years.

And another man survived a steady stream of concentrated lightning to the face for a good minute or so with no damage beyond some facial scarring.

And the son of the burn victim survived a few minutes of the same concentrated lightning with absolutely no visible damage whatsoever.

And that's just stuff in CANON.

>> No.39578054

Does that thing have a face full of guns?

>Checks wookieepedia

> At the droid's nose resided the Basilisk's primary weapon, a cluster of shockwave generator rods that together could form a burst of plasma capable of ripping through the hulls of starships

Yep. Face full of guns.

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It comes from probably the best most imaginative piece of EU, that being the Tales of The Jedi comics.

KotOR purposefully did not do it justice - TotJ is like the Morrowwind version of Star Wars

>> No.39578065

hey /swg/, my GM is wary of the FFG character generator found here http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/89135-another-character-generator/
I think because it's homemade and not official. are there any glaring problems with it, or things that would inhibit our ability to gen characters for a game?

>> No.39578118

1) Point.
2) Point with caveat; Vader can take the suit off in special chambers like what we see in Empire, so that solves a few problems right there. As for the air tanks..... I always assume he's more on an iron lung system than anything else.
3) Do not diss the chicken legs
4) Point
5) If you read Truce At Bakura, you'll see that the author doesn't let Luke get away with 'no damage whatsoever' blah blah legends
>the Morrowind of Star Wars
You mean everyone's dialogue consists of a linked word document and they all follow the same pre-scripted path until you close the game or kill them?

>> No.39578127

It's fucking great right?

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I love Naga Sadow.

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>You mean everyone's dialogue consists of a linked word document and they all follow the same pre-scripted path until you close the game or kill them?

Hah. No.

By "Morrowind" I mean everything is bugs and non-traditional fantasy

>> No.39578221


The only thing that could even be questionable is the Unofficial Species Menagerie that comes packaged with it. You can choose what materials to use with the generator, though - it's piss easy to just restrict it to FFG material, or even just one game line.

>> No.39578227

Yeah, I read a little of it before and it's very.... well it's very different from almost anything I've ever seen. Couldn't get into it though. It's the lettering, man. It's too small and there's just so much.
And don't get me wrong, I fucking love Morrowind. It's just... fukken crazy, man. It's great. I will never get why people didn't like Dagoth Ur's original voice and instead choose to have processed shit instead. Good lord, Dagoth has got smooth and sexy down pat, a perfect voice for a devil figure, no?

>> No.39578258


The first arc is written by Tom Veitch, of Dark Empire. It isn't very good.

Once Kevin J Anderson takes over, it actually gets really good, which is a completely surprise for Kevin J Anderson. The man knows how to write dialogue, at least.

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Yeah, I feel ya

TotJ was great though, and its really a shame that it got so overshadowed by KotOR, and then TOR made it all but irrelevant.

And now its all gone, never to return.

A shame

>> No.39579724

KJA writes extremely well either for OTT force wizard stuff (ToJ) or with an editor (YJK)

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So at this point, most likely, Vader and Ahsoka will encounter each other in Rebels, and Ahsoka will die.

But Dave Filoni suggested that the reason her sabers are white now is because, in the new canon, lightsaber crystals get their color by attuning themselves to the lightsaber's creator and showing their relationship with the Force. Light gives you blue, green, yellow, or purple if you're Mace Windu. Dark gives you red. White comes from someone who's in a very complicated place.

If Dave Filoni doesn't want to kill her, there is another path.

But there must always be a Darth Traya, one that holds the knowledge of betrayal. Who has been betrayed in their heart, and will betray in turn.

>> No.39580768


Other then the movies, what's still canon again?

>> No.39580818

The Clone Wars
Novels published after the wipe (old EU gets the Legends label for reprints)
Comic series started after the wipe

>> No.39581107

Even though i hate Kreia/Darth Traya with a vengeance in KOTOR II that is actually a idea i could get behind.

>> No.39581234

>But there must always be a Darth Traya, one that holds the knowledge of betrayal. Who has been betrayed in their heart, and will betray in turn.
>Ahsoka as Darth Treya

Why does this make so much sense?

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>The Clone Wars are canon
>Darth Maul's glorious return is now canon
>Darth Bane is technically canon

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>Maul getting his ass beat effortlessly by Palpatine

>> No.39581761

Not a big surprise really.
Anaking/Vader is the chosen one and not even he could take Palps alone (after the mustafar debacle).

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>that moment when Maul realizes he's royally fucked

>> No.39583012

So if I wanted to play in a star wars tabletop game, what's the best system to do it in? I'm talking like easiest to learn.

>> No.39583110

D6 is a classic.
FFG system is very easy to learn as you play and a lot of fun.

I recommend FFG, personally.

>> No.39583126

FFG? Is that the Edge of the Empire thing? I think I've seen that at my local comic shop. What books do I need?

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Anyone running a game, or going to run over online? I've been watching the Mister Plinkett reviews of the Lucas trilogy (each review is 1.5+ hours long) and it made me realize how amazing the original trilogy is and just made me hungry for a game now.

>> No.39583394

Edge of the Empire Core Rulebook is all you need. It covers the rules for playin a smuggler, bounty hunter, mercenary, etc. Basically, scum & villainy.
It's compatible with Age of Rebellion, which covers the rebel alliance.
If you want to play a jedi, the Force & Destiny beta is out, the full release will be in a couple of months.
There are supplements for specific careers (classes) which you can get if you want more detailed gear, specs, ships, rules ans suggestions for roleplay.

>> No.39583416

I've been thinking about running or playing in a game. I don't really know the FFG system yet but I love the shit out of the Plinkett reviews. What did you have in mind, character/gamewise? What are you looking for?

>> No.39583662

>in the new canon, lightsabers are mood rings

whoa whoa whoa, what? when was this shit decided

>> No.39583747

Ahsoka doesn't exist according to Disney's Canon. She's part of the EU in-between episode 2 and 3.

>> No.39583781


>> No.39583799

Star Wars Rebels takes place between 3 and 4, and it also has Ahsoka in it. I'm not sure how canon disney is deciding Rebels to be, though.

>> No.39583906

Hey, anon, i was lurking through wookiepedia for Imperial land warfare doctrine, reading about ORBAT and stuff, and I've came to question: why Imperial military theory is so fucked up?

No IFVs, no CAS, no mobile warfare. Most common armour on battlefield is AT-ST, with paper defence, underwhelming firepower, high target profile and low cruise speed. Hell, scout company of stormtrooper corps is 148 men on fucking bikes. The hell are they suppose to do? Mounted charge? I mean, no wonder rebels won.

Butthurt out.

>> No.39583956

It's not about the effectiveness of any individual piece of equipment. It's about fielding the god damn crushing weight of the empire until the enemy can't turn around without bumping into four stormtroopers.

The AT-ST looks and functions comically poor? Nobody has time to laugh when 600 of them are marching towards your shield generator.
Stormtroopers can't see and their aim is shit, you say? Then we'll keep deploying stormtroopers until they statistically HAVE to hit the target.

Destroy the enemy by dogpiling on it until it fucking suffocates. Streamline that notion by building a gigantic moon-sized gun that we can just point at a planet's surface and pull the trigger.

>> No.39583974

>No IFVs
AT-ATs count, right? Rebel Strike also had Imperial APCs.

TIE Bombers and gunships exist. For everything else, there's orbital bombardment. Remember those tiny recon droids from Battlefront that could call in bombardments precise enough to snipe a tiny balcony on Coruscant?

>most common armor is the AT-ST
Well, yeah. It's cheap as chips and easy to field anywhere. The AT-ST is a recon and scout vehicle, though. It's not meant to stand up to anything except infantry and light vehicles. The Empire has hovertanks, mobile artillery, and AT-ATs to handle bigger targets.

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Add me on skype so we could talk about it in real time:

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Suspect its mostly due to no military experience and even less effort going into researching something functional on behalf of the writers.
You can hand-wave some shit due to 'its science damn it', but most of it comes down to screenwriters doing what they think people will enjoy watching on a movie or cartoon.

I guess no one really wants to see the fictional equivalent of cunts being blown into a pink mist by jdams or the sheer wall of death a modern infantry platoon can lay down, its just 'boring' to them I guess. Hell, most of the infantry are running around with the equivalent of a battle rifle or semi-auto subgun, none of the real basic stuff like a select fire rifle, SAW, Mk19 or heavy MG fucking shit up with devastating amounts of firepower. Let alone a gunship cruising overhead with FLIR in the middle of the night blowing bitches in half with 30mm.
Real war is real nasty.
Someone thought of the children :)

>> No.39584217

>I guess no one really wants to see the fictional equivalent of cunts being blown into a pink mist by jdams or the sheer wall of death a modern infantry platoon can lay down, its just 'boring' to them I guess.
You're giving them too much credit by suggesting they know about any of this shit.

>> No.39584230

This is why I'm deliberately ignoring Disney. I'm not even certain I want to risk watching the trailers.

>> No.39584280

>Hell, most of the infantry are running around with the equivalent of a battle rifle or semi-auto subgun, none of the real basic stuff like a select fire rifle, SAW, Mk19 or heavy MG fucking shit up with devastating amounts of firepower. Let alone a gunship cruising overhead with FLIR in the middle of the night blowing bitches in half with 30mm.

We see Stormies in Tatooine with heavy blaster rifles and dudes on Hoth setting up E-webs. And there's no real point to having an AC-130 analogue when there's a Star Destroyer in geostationary orbit that can vaporize most ground targets with ease. Scout Troopers are able to call in orbital bombardments at their leisure as long as they sit next to an ammo droid anyway.

>> No.39584308

Well, first of all that is total bullshit for a number of reasons. Second, Dave Filoni is not the be-all end-all authority so I'll just ignore it until it goes away.
Yeah, but that's not pulpy or grand tragedy-like.

>> No.39584431

True, but when you're calling something 'Star Wars' a military advisor for some ideas can't hurt :)

Doesn't even have to be an AC130, they're sort of a weird aberration in modern warfare, just the good old 'kill everything' howitzer would be a start.
Some sleepy fobbits get woken up after 11'sies with a call and start lobbing 155mm proton warheads in someone's general direction, shit gets all fucked up and artillery crew goes back to sleep, polishing their gun or whatever they do when no one's watching (Which is mostly rated R and not likely to appear in star wars anytime soon... thank christ)

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>just the good old 'kill everything' howitzer
The Imps have adorable self-propelled artillery walkers. They're pretty good at fucking things up.

>> No.39585387

It now occurs to me that the Empire is using Zerg tactics.

>> No.39585468

Just ask your DM what books he allows and stay away from anything that he's banned. The Chargen is actually really well made and 100% safe to use. The only munchkiny thing you could do is take a homebrewed race, but even these are fairly balanced for what I've tried.

>> No.39585863

Anybody know of a good digital FFG dice roller for roll20 or skype games?

>> No.39585925

the AT-ST's armor is actually a lot more effective than you'd think, coupled with the fact that the AT-ST is really a rough terrain scout unit, not line armor; they have hovertanks and such for that. IFVs are not an individual class because the empire seemingly prefers to carry their troops in heavy assault vehicles like the Juggernaut or Flying Fortress. the lack of CAS is pretty much directly attributable to the existence of pinpoint orbital bombardment; not much need for it (or tube artillery, really) if you can hit targets with orbital turbolaser strikes with a CEP of less than 5M.

you must also remember that stormtroopers are supershock and also super-COIN infantry, their scout company's job is to do shit like race around the mountains shooting cave-dwelling rebels, not act in a traditional modern scouting role; that's for droids and orbital cameras

>> No.39586080

You could use the dice app

>> No.39586617


The roll20 character sheet has a dice roller function included, you just need to do a little bit of work on your end to enable it.

>> No.39586645


For Skype games there's this.


>> No.39587865

since it's direct-fire, I'd call that thing more of a Assault Gun than an arty piece

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It's not direct-fire. The walker's just not set up to fire in that shot.

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>> No.39590684

X-Wing question-- is there a reason we haven't gotten Clone Wars mini's and rules? Any word of that possibility in the future?

>> No.39590842

best bet is that word on high from the grand mouse is that they want to avoid looking at the clone wars too much right now. Every star wars content creator needs to try and aim to the Original Trilogy, to drum it back into public consciousness. Best hope is that after TFA releases, we'll start getting more clone wars stuff.

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>lightsabers are mood rings

Best thing to do is laugh

>> No.39591052

From what I've heard FFG only has a license for the OT era.

>> No.39591057

Makes sense. Cool!

>> No.39591070


Force & Destiny takes place curing the Clone Wars, at least I assume it does from what I've read

>> No.39591143


Force & Destiny takes place during the Clone Wars, at least I assume it does from what I've read

>> No.39591225

actually, it doesn't. it takes place between 3 and 4; you play essentially jedi leftovers after the purges

>> No.39591423

Clone Wars cartoons are officially Disney-Canon, look it up.

That also means ALL THE EU that was in it, came along. Like Nightsisters, Dathomir, Maul vs Sidious, etc.

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Really? Ah well, not like a GM can't just say "your all working for the chancellor to mediate a trade dispute in the outer rim, so go get to it"

With its system of "Light" and "Dark Side" points, it seems like its more suited to a campaign that begins in a more subdued time period, where debating jedi philosophy and inner-group dark side policing makes sense.

If your just running from the boot while trying to decide whether to go full emo, that seems like too much of a one-trick-pony

>> No.39591870

Going run EotE this week for the first time or so.
Only problem is that my group wants to run an Old Republic scenario after the events of KOTOR2.

I'm fine with this since it still encourages a lack of Jedi and the instability that followed makes for some good drama but anyone have any suggestions on how to adapt this?
My only real move so far has been to remove iconic ships (TIE fighters, X-wings, Star Destroyers, etc.) from the available ships.

Otherwise technology is consistent from what I can see.

>> No.39591893

>Only problem is that my group wants to run an Old Republic scenario after the events of KOTOR2.

Your going to have to houserule a shit ton of stuff

>> No.39591962


Such as?
Like I said I saw the ships and got rid of the really obvious ones and replaced them with KOTOR era equivalents.

Things like blasters/armor/etc are also probably incorrect chronologically speaking but they're so inconsequential as to not really need removing.

>> No.39592164

Maybe a lot of houserules, but it won't take all that complicated of ones.

>Replace all instances of "YT-1300" with "Dynamic-class light freighter."
>Replace all instances of "TIE Fighter" with "Sith Interceptor"

It really is pretty much just reskinning everything.

>> No.39594313

You know, I've been thinking about it, and the best parts of some of the books in the EU for me were always Lando's ventures. I enjoyed his various enterprises in the New Jedi Academy trilogy. I hated most of the Black Fleet Crisis, but I really enjoyed the Vagabond part of it. Taanab was pretty cool. Uwana Buyer was amazing. The other bits that I can remember were always classic.

>> No.39594535


The Clone Wars is the only thing that survived the purge other than the movies, man. They were very specific about this, too.


>Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.

>> No.39594555

I appreciate everything that they do with all of their other Star Wars games, but I'm kind of frustrated about the lack of news on the FFG RPG front.

We still have no indication when Force and Destiny will be released, other than the fact that it is "In Development." Even the beginner box doesn't have so much as an approximate release date attached to it, but it's "On the Boat," at least.

The last real news we got about Age of Rebellion was the March 4 announcement of Strongholds of Resistance. The last real product we got for it was Stay on Target on Dec. 23.

But at least both of those lines have upcoming products that have been announced. There has been no news about Edge of the Empire for more than two months. And there are no products even announced for it. You'd think they could at least announce what book was next two months after the last one came out.

>Announcing "For the Right Price," a sourcebook for bounty hunters
Stick some cover art with it and a little blurb
>3 new specializations, 2 new signature abilities, plus vehicles, weapons, armor and equipment, plus tips for a bounty hunting campaign
And you're done. At least it tells your fans that *something* is in the works.

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>Stick some cover art with it and a little blurb
They would for the right price

>> No.39594603


Dave Filoni said it at Celebration Anaheim during his Rebels panel, as an explanation for why Ahsoka's new lightsabers are white. In the new canon, all lightsabers are made with kyber crystals (and synthetic crystals are out), and all kyber crystals are colorless when first acquired, so there has to be some way the colors happen, and some reason why every time a Sith builds a lightsaber it's red.

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Missing some stuff, but this is essentially the bigger entries in new canon for the present time.

We've got books coming out through around September, they pretty much announce new books every month, and each book comes out the month after the other. Stop being a fucking baby, they've been doing it this way for the past 2 years.

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Because she was super-betrayed by Barriss and the Jedi Council turned their backs on her, so she's pretty much been betrayed by every Jedi she knows other than Anakin Skywalker.

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>In the new canon, all lightsabers are made with kyber crystals (and synthetic crystals are out), and all kyber crystals are colorless when first acquired, so there has to be some way the colors happen, and some reason why every time a Sith builds a lightsaber it's red

That's silly. Filoni is silly.

>> No.39594808


Well, the part about all lightsabers being made with kyber crystals and synthetic crystals being out comes from George himself.

As for the color part, we don't know if it was George's idea and Filoni's sticking to it, or if it's Filoni's idea. It really could be either one.

>> No.39594839

I understand somewhat how you feel about the Black Fleet. It got very tedious and edgy with Luke deciding to hide from the world storyline. The rest of the background to it I found fascinating though. The Vagabond was strange and exotic, showing a very interesting part of alien culture. Polnye showed the foe in their true light, which I actually found to be interesting culturally because people were still trying to pursue diplomatic options with such an aggressor (as happens often in real life). I actually wish Sil Sorannan (the leader of the Imperials who took back the ships) had made appearances in later books, at least as a minor colony ruler, possibly as a Moff advising and pushing for further oppression of Aliens than is typical for the Empire, due to his experience with Nil Spaar.

Overall it was just okay, and was actually dragged down by the parts with the Force Users. It should have been a non-Jedi series in my opinion, it would have provided a better view on politics without the unnecessary angst.

>events to which all other tales must align
That's adorable! They're adorable!

>> No.39594900


So the EU is dead completely?
I just thought that it was anything that directly countered the new films (aka pretty much everything post ROTJ) so older things like KOTOR and The Great Hyperspace War are okay.

Am I incorrect?

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>the EU is dead completely
It's been dead since 2013.

>> No.39594943

Complete wipe

>> No.39594966


>They're adorable!

They're also the Lucasfilm Story Group, and therefore the ultimate authority on what's canon and what's not.

This happened last year, April 25th 2014. On that day, everything got purged except for the six films of the saga and The Clone Wars. Nothing else survived.

For the new canon, novels published from September 2014 onwards are canon, comics published by Marvel starting in 2015 are canon, Star Wars Insider short stories published after the purge date are canon, and we're still waiting for canon video games outside of a few mobile games. Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir is the only non-Marvel canon comic book; it got grandfathered in because it's based on unfinished episodes of The Clone Wars.


It was unclear at first, but Jennifer Heddle (who is on the story group) confirmed via Twitter that they meant EVERYTHING. It's all been Legends for a year. The entire EU except for The Clone Wars died one year ago yesterday.

>> No.39594969

There is, mostly, no new EU content being produced, and anything outside of new canon is pretty much gone unless it's explicitly referenced to later on (I think a couple things got in because of Clone Wars that way).

>> No.39595048

I'd care about their authority on the matter if I could stomach the 3d Clone Wars, or if what I've seen written was any good.

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Wow, that's exceedingly awful.
Judging by the fact that the new movies aren't out, we won't get new stuff until 2019 at the earliest (at least not things directly impacting the movies).

I'm just going to do the sensible thing and pretend that that never happened and that Star Wars Co. went out of buisness and that's why the EU isn't producing new shit.

>> No.39595087

There is new content comming out right now though, lords of the sith was just released

>> No.39595113

>Lords of the Sith
Was that any good? Did it turn out to be the Vader/Sith buddy comedy that it sounded like?

>> No.39595144

>lords of the sith

Another novel, like Tarkin, that seeks to connect events and characters of the Original trilogy.

When I meant new stuff I meant NEW stuff, not new stuff about old people we know a lot about.

>> No.39595167

>we won't get new stuff until 2019
There are a bunch of comics and books already. And by the end of this year there will be episode VII.

>> No.39595198

Not a full on comedy, but fleshed out some interesting concepts

Sheev is pretty close to terrified of Vader's raw power being able to overthrow him at any time, but Vader in turn fears palpatine.

There are several books confirmed to directly tie into the new films comming out later this year.

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To be clear, entire works from Legends will not become canon if they are referenced in canon material. Only the specific element which is referenced is canon.

So The Clone Wars referenced Darth Bane, therefore Darth Bane is canon, but the Darth Bane novels are not. Perhaps one day they will tell a new version of Darth Bane's story.

That said, Pablo Hidalgo was at the new canon panel at Celebration, and he said that going forward, the approach won't be "oh there's a gap, let's fill it", it will be "first let's find a good story, then once we have a good story, figure out where to put it". He gave an example of why by pointing to the story of the bounty hunter from Ord Mantell, and Lucasfilm was like "oh we should tell that story", and as a result they told that story four times in four different ways.

So Darth Bane won't get a canon story until they have a good story and there's a reason for it to be Darth Bane's.

>> No.39595296


>There are a bunch of comics and books already.

Pretty much all of which just deal with learning more about movie characters. Which is bland.

>There are several books confirmed to directly tie into the new films comming out later this year.

Which ties in with the same "its just cashing in on the movies" complaints. Not that they don't have their place, but I don't see why they had to throw out ALL of the EU if their new stuff is going to be so limited.

Rouge One is nice in that it isn't about Skywalkers or Sith Lords, just the universe itself.

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BTW, pic related: it's Darth Bane's Force ghost from the Clone Wars season 6 finale, voiced by Mark Hamill. They gave him this interesting new samurai design.

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>let's find a good story, then once we have a good story, figure out where to put it
Recanonized X-Wing novels when?

>> No.39595352

Rebels and A New Dawn. New characters.

>> No.39595391



Good, but kiddy. And the only really new thing out there so far.

>A New Dawn

A prequel to Rebels. You can't count those as two things since they're related.

>> No.39595409


Rebels isn't about Skywalkers either, and Darth Vader didn't arrive until the season 1 finale. Even then, he's slated to only be an occasional guest star, not a constant presence. Tarkin didn't arrive until episode 11 of season 1, and is going to show up more than Vader (because he's voiced by Stephen Stanton, who's just a typical voice actor, rather than James Earl Jones, and because Vader's cape is fucking expensive to simulate for CG animation), but even he's going to be something of an occasional guest star from what I hear.

The Rebels prequel novel is even less tied to stuff we already know.

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Star Wars is at its' core kiddy.

On the heroism versus pessimism scale it is really just par for the course with the source material. thematic and tonal consistency is important, otherwise you end up with the vong 2: hyperspace boogaloo

>> No.39595483

>Moving the goalpost
There's new content based on non-Movie characters. There will be more new content on other new non-Movie characters.

Clean slate makes things not confusing for people jumping in now, and it gets the complaints about the EU being gone all out at the beginning, instead of having to deal with constant bitching about how each thing that won't fit in when it will just all get wiped eventually anyways.

>> No.39595583


Well, wait a year then, dammit. This year they're building up to The Force Awakens and growing the beard for Rebels. Next year we'll get Rogue One, and it's probably not going to be the only original story we get.

The short stories in Star Wars Insider have also used completely new characters. The first two canon ones are parts 1 and 2 of Blade Squadron, the story of a B-Wing squadron that flew at Endor. The End of History features a historian charged with protecting a collection of Jedi relics who's forced to choose between protecting the relics and giving himself up to help a Rebel escape the Empire. Last Call at the Zero Angle is a story set in an Imperial TIE pilot bar featuring atmospheric TIE pilots talking shit about space TIE pilots and vice versa, until an officer staggers in lifelessly to buy them a round and let them know the Death Star was destroyed. And One Thousand Levels Down is a story about two Alderaanian orphans on Coruscant trying to find safe haven and avoid the Empire, since the Empire has now decided to send any Alderaanians they can find to the gulag to keep them quiet and keep the rest of the galaxy afraid.

>> No.39595598

>Star Wars is at its' core kiddy.

Sure, but that doesn't mean you can't have deep, thoughtful stuff like KOTOR 2 mixed in with more child friendly stuff.


>There's new content based on non-Movie characters. There will be more new content on other new non-Movie characters.

Where did I say there wouldn't be?

All I said that it sucks that there wasn't stuff now or for the forseeable future for the very reasons you listed.

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>deep, thoughtful stuff like KOTOR 2
KOTOR 2 has quite frankly done way more harm than good to the lore of star wars

>> No.39595676

It's honestly something I like way more than random colored crystals. It's way more mystical and strange.

>> No.39595718


KOTOR 2 is deep and thoughtful.

Kreia's wrong and the game didn't exactly do the lore of the setting many favors, but that doesn't mean it wasn't deep and thoughtful. It just means that it thought deeply and came to the wrong conclusions.

>> No.39595862

That's because A New Dawn is by John Jackson Miller, who takes the view that one should create a good story first and worry about references later. "It's the gravy" are his words.

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Well, good to know that


The rest of the story group is following his lead.

He was always my favorite EU writer, simply on the basis of the KOTOR comic.

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And the odds grow ever more in favor of Rey being a Skywalker.

>> No.39596690


Says the guy who thinks Rebels is a good addition to the universe.

You probably think that The Clone Wars movie is a good addition too, judging by your standards.


Far better than "Good triumps evalll!!!!" that the core movies gave us.

>> No.39596713

>You probably think that The Clone Wars movie is a good addition too
The movie, no. God no. Thankfully nothing else really touches it after the first season.

The series, yes

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Dude, Christophsis got a prequel episode in season 1 and another in season 2, and Ziro the Hutt got a season 1 episode and two season 3 episodes all following on the movie.

Granted, these episodes were so good they actually wound up justifying the movie's existence as an evil that existed to bring about a greater good, but still.

>> No.39596847

I say that mostly because the episodes still function if you have no knowlege of the events of the movie

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>Far better than "Good triumps evalll!!!!" that the core movies gave us.
>Shipped half-finished
>Party members nobody gave a shit about aside from Canderous
>Kreia bitching at you the whole goddamn game with no proper counter-arguments in the dialogue
>Muh "Apathy is death"
>Evil and gray triumps good!!!!
Avellone pls.

>> No.39596965


Two questions:

1) Am I the only person who liked Atton?

2) Am I the only person who never gave a shit about Canderous?

>> No.39597020

Hey guys, getting ready for my first game in about a week. Here's my character. Any thoughts?

(GM gave us an extra 50 points to spend on characteristics, btw.)

>> No.39597522

Nobody liked Atton. He tried to kill Kirney Slane and stole starfighters!

>> No.39597733


>>Shipped half-finished

That has nothing do to with the story itself

>>Party members nobody gave a shit about aside from Canderous

I mean, maybe if you're unable to appreciate good fiction. But seeing as your an "x-wing writefag" I can totally see why that's the case.

>>Kreia bitching at you the whole goddamn game with no proper counter-arguments in the dialogue

There are proper counters, are you stupid?


No, I liked Atton too. Most people were too stupid to not realize he wasn't Carth 2.0.

>> No.39597797

Kirney Slane admitted that she was worthless anyway.

>> No.39597936


I think he means "proper counter-arguments that don't lose you influence".

The funny thing, though, is that you can still get people's influence rewards if you lose influence with them, because the game is looking for distance from the center, not necessarily high or low. Some rewards can only be gained with high influence, but you can enrage Atton, Mira, Bao-Dur, the Disciple, and the Handmaiden so much that they become a light Jedi if you're dark or a dark Jedi if you're light. You can also enrage Kreia to the point that she starts spilling her secrets in an attempt to steer you back to where she wants you, and HK can be pissed off into divulging his secrets on how to kill Jedi in an attempt to get you to perform the wanton slaughter he so desires. T3-M4 can also be cowed into submission by a sufficiently cruel master.

I think you have to make G0-T0 like you, though, to get his story.

>> No.39597947


She was just a city girl.

>> No.39598023

About the only thing I enjoyed about the Luke subplot was the gag about security scanners misidentifying lightsabers as electric shavers, and how they could double as one in a pinch if you were really careful.

The war aspect was okay, and probably would have been pretty enjoyable if it were wearing a different skin, but it didn't feel like Star Wars style fleet action.

I did like that the Yevatha use those pulse lifters or whatever it was called on their ships and give zero fucks about trashing other ships in the spaceport when they come to visit Coruscant.

>> No.39598039


Yeah, G0-T0 is pretty annoying to get his story because he's got so few moments.
But yes, that does highlight the problem. He's not choosing answers consistent with his character. He's choosing answers "to win".

>> No.39598145

>nothing do to with the story itself
Lots of story elements were omitted.

>Good storytelling
The story was incomplete. Most of the characters in the vanilla version are incredibly bland compared to KOTOR I's team. Sion and Nihilus are barely even there, only showing up for one or two fights before getting their shit kicked in. They don't feel that threatening. Their boss fights also failed to deliver on the hype.

>Proper counters/decisions
Not often. Nar Shaddaa forces you into a false dichotomy with the hobo, for instance. Why can't I buy the guy a meal instead of handing him credits? Why wasn't I allowed to tell Kreia that Nar Shaddaa's crime rate made it a poor representative of the nature of galactic society at large?

Kreia and the game go out of their way to shit on any remotely heroic decisions, even when that heroism is perfectly reasonable. It's hard to believe the apathy is death schtick when everything you care about gets shat on by Kreia.

>> No.39598384

>The story was incomplete.

Yes, character conclusions were omitted but that hardly amounts to incomplete when the basic themes were still tackled. Was it weaker for not having had them? Yes. Was it "incomplete"? No.

>Most of the characters in the vanilla version are incredibly bland compared to KOTOR I's team

I mean, if you like quirky ebin characters I can see why you'd have this position. But none of them have any real depth. Mandalore the Preserver is far more interesting than Canderous "The World's Most generic Mandalorian" Ordo.

>Nar Shaddaa forces you into a false dichotomy with the hobo, for instance.

Because it was a commentary on the dichometric nature of Star Wars as a whole. The game wanted you to feel boxed in and unable to make a reasonable, realistic choice.

Like holy shit, did you even play KOTOR 2? Did you even understand it? How dense are you?

This isn't even meant to be insulting; I just don't get how someone could miss basic themes and literary devices.

>> No.39598453


Either a failure of a troll...

Or probably thinks Twilight was a well-written book with a deep plot, engaging characters, and was sufficiently loyal to standing vampire lore.

>> No.39598685

>Far better than "Good triumps evalll!!!!" that the core movies gave us.
Now see, that's bullshit. Because the movies are actually about how love conquers all. You just didn't stay long enough in the credits of Jedi to hear this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JWTaaS7LdU
Living in a lonely world.

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First real game of X-wing minis coming up soon. Friend showed me his army last time we tried to play.

2x B wings with gunners and free lock ons after first attack.
2x Headhunters with AoE missles that are not expended on a miss.

I've got a defender, an advanced and regular Ties.
What should I be doing? It seems like this combo is just going to shred whatever I field?

>> No.39598788

new thread?

>> No.39598861

Jolee was better than the entirety of the KOTOR II party. Carth, whiny as he was, grew to be a fairly likable comrade by the end. Mission and Zaalbar were fun and cute and despite Bastila's bitchiness, her redemption was at least a bit sweet in a way. Most of the KOTOR I team had their own stories and side quests. KOTOR II would have had some, too, but much of their content was omitted, leaving them bland.

KOTOR II Canderous was the only party member cooler than his KOTOR I analogue. Even then, KOTOR I Canderous was interesting due to being a warrior race dude who gave no shits about his war crimes at a time when warrior race party members were

>commentary on the nature of Star Wars
>Game wanted you to feel boxed in
It was a shitty way to do it. There were plenty of ways to force the player into a dilemma and break the dichotomy mold. Kreia proving her point about the shittiness of the galaxy was not the way to do it. Presenting the player with a good option and an evil option, then making the good option lead to the same horrible end is idiotic. Even Mass Effect had a better dilemma through the Ashley/Kaidan choice because the choice you made mattered. There was no clearly wrong option there and the dilemma felt more natural than forced.

Star Wars isn't even a total dichotomy in the films. Luke had the choice to strike down Vader and Palps or convert to the Dark Side. He chose neither and threw away his lightsaber. Lando is given the choice to betray his friends or let Cloud City die and he chose to get the Falcon crew and Cloud City population to safety.

>> No.39598885

You want it?
You got it!

>> No.39598933

>Even Mass Effect had a better dilemma through the Ashley/Kaidan choice because the choice you made mattered. There was no clearly wrong option there and the dilemma felt more natural than forced.
Except that I can never bring myself to save Kaiden. He's not very good at anything statwise and him being gone clears the way for sweet sweet Turian loving.
Also because with Ashley I can have an all girl party made of femShep, Shotgun Princess Tali, and Warrior Poet Ashley

>> No.39599063

>the dilemma felt more natural than forced
eh. the strategy that created the situation that forced that dilemma is pretty goddamn dumb. hell, before I even knew the mission was gonna be a 'choose one' I was thinking to myself 'this is a dumb plan'. a plan that was even 10% less dumb would have kept everyone alive, IMO. but then again, it's really just another symptom of 'bioware cannot into military'

>> No.39599076


>Jolee was better than the entirety of the KOTOR II party.

Why? Tell me, why? Because he was cooky old man with a heart of gold? Tell me how his writing is superior to, say, Atton's.

>Most of the KOTOR I team had their own stories and side quests

Most of which were boring shit. Juhani was literally nothing. Mission was tomboy waifu bait before waifu bait was a thing. Zaalbar was empty as well. They're all just empty cardboard cut outs of well established tropes.

Hell, the only thing KOTOR has going for it Story Wise is the ebin twist. Revan as a character was bland as hell until KOTOR 2.

>then making the good option lead to the same horrible end is idiotic

Okay, you really didn't get it.
And that's okay.
Because one day you'll understand, hopefully, what it means to have thematic resonance and a meaning dialogue.

So go back to your X-WINGS and your ebin starfighters saying ebin witty things until that day comes.

>> No.39599116

Ah, I see what the problem is. You must be very young.
Excited for The Dark Night Returns 3?
Protip: a lot of us have shitty lives and we go to Star Wars to ESCAPE that shit, not see more of it

>> No.39599128


Looking at that....he's got 2 Blue Squadrons with B2 Expansions, Fire Control Systems, and Gunner...and 2 Tala Squadrons with Assault Missiles and Munitions Failsafes.

He's actually got a fairly weak list.

But the issue is....you have no Interceptors.

That said, you have a major advantage.

You can stay at Range 3 and still ruin his day.

Predator on the Defender, use Rexlar Brath...throw on Heavy Laser Cannons for extra fun. Yeah it's 47 points...but flown right, you're going to eat B-Wings alive. Stay out of his arc, keep at Range 3. He won't get his bonus die, meaning your 4 shots WITH inherent 2-die reroll can kill a B-Wing in 2 turns on average.

Dark Curse with a Stealth Device will also ruin those B-Wing's Day. Because his target locks can't be used against Dark Curse.

Do NOT fly in formation against him though. Those assault missiles can be nasty if he gets them off....and you want to stay at Range 3.

If you're allowed to proxy upgrade cards...here's what I'd run:

Rexlar Brath (Defender) + Predator + Heavy Laser Cannons (47 points)

Dark Curse + Stealth Device (19 points)

Darth Vader + Proton Rockets + Lone Wolf (34 points)

This requires you to fly far out of formation.

Generally I'd see where he sets up...then put Dark Curse going straight down their throats, Brath and Vader on each flank.

Brath is to dance at Range-3 and use his Heavy Laser Cannons.

Vader is to stay out of arc until he can come in on a B-Wing for a range-1 Proton Rocket shot....preferably target-locked and focused. Because that should net you FIVE damage against a B-Wing that can negate one at best.

Dark Curse is there to be annoying.

Concentrate your firepower. He loses those B-Wings and he's sunk.

I do run a BBZZ list...but it's a 10-10-2-2....

Ten Numb + Veteran Instincts + Advanced Sensors + Mangler Cannon (yes, I'm That Guy)

Airen Cracken + Veteran Instincts

Blue Squadron + Heavy Laser Cannon

Bandit Squadron

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Is that your go-to? Age insults?
You're scrapping the bottom of the barrel here.
How about you address the points instead of shit posting.

>> No.39599183


Not him....

But you're shitposting too

>> No.39599221


No, I'm arguing. I'm laying out specific points. The fact that they're accompanied by insults doesn't change that they contribute to discussion.
Your post, on the other hand, does neither.

It is the definition of a shitpost.

>> No.39599258

He took a third option and flipped the bird to the dichotomy far more eloquently than Kreia ever could. He summed up everything wrong with the Prequel Jedi, stayed on the good path, and was generally an entertaining team member.

>Muh Jedi torture and mind pazaak
I can oversimplify, too.

>Mission and Zaalbar
They still had more personality than the irrelevant smuggler and Edgelord McDarkwook.

>thematic resonance
>meaning dialogue
You've still failed to provide an actual counter-argument. KOTOR II boils down to Chris Avellone saying "Good is stupid, people are either morally gray or evil dickbags". It's at odds with everything that makes Star Wars Star Wars. It's nothing but a conga line of depriving player agency to stroke Avellone's evilboner when Star Wars is about doing the right thing and being a goddamn hero. Even when there is player agency, it all leads to Kreia shitting on your choice and forcing you to play along. Don't give me any of that shit about "muh choice" and "muh dichotomy". Dichotomies are bullshit. Luke proved that at Endor and Lando proved that at Bespin.

>> No.39599272

Alright. I, personally, like Jolee because he was pointing out all the flaws of the Jedi without being an asshole about it or attempting to make you into him.
Juhani's story was one I missed, so I can't comment on that, but Mission's was about something we can ALL relate to, i.e; growing up and realizing the people you look up to are human too (and in some cases, complete assholes). Zaalbar's mission is something right out of Shakespeare and is thus the only mandatory one, so it has that going for it even if the load times to go anywhere on that damn planet suck eggs.
The Revan twist was a weak point for me because I saw it coming from the start and even if I hadn't been spoiled by picking it up fourteen years after the fact, it would still be obvious. There should have been an option to reply to Malak's words with 'Yeah, and?"

As for the good/evil false dichotomy; YES real life is way more complicated than a video game. You, in the real world, have no goddamn idea what a hobo is gonna do with the five bucks you give him, but in games we all share the polite fiction that this gift will a) boost your karma and b) help him out in his life. That's the contract you enter into when you play the game, that is literally how it works.
We KNOW it isn't real, rubbing our noses in it is just unnecessary and, given what happens, mean-spirited.

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