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>If price was no object what deck would you be playing?
>What was your most epic win?
>What was your most recent mistake which lost you a game?
>What is the most useless, non-vanilla, non-Haakon , Legendary Creature?

>> No.38009484

>>38009089
>>If price was no object what deck would you be playing?
A heavily refined version of my Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck with a manabase consisting entirely of original dual lands, every applicable "add one mana of any color to your mana pool" land that didn't have some idiotic restriction a la Rupture Spire or Transguild Promenade.

Also every card that had an available foil would be foil. I'm not so much looking for competitiveness there as I am appearance.

Same mana/foil treatment for my Sliver Overlord deck.

>What was your most epic win?
It took a bit of a god hand and some lucky draws, but I managed a turn five Primal Surge with a Sliver Overlord deck. It's 100 permanents, so I was able to play every card in the deck, and the permanents DO include an infinite creature engine, and which lead to infinite infinitely huge slivers, all of which were packing a variety of abilities including haste.

In short; by turn five in a five-way game I managed to kill the entire table.

>What was your most recent mistake which lost you a game?
Playing Melek against a guy using Niv-Mizzet. I had a chance to cast Anger of the Gods off the top of my library and take out his general. Unfortunately it would've taken out Melek as well and I wanted to keep him around for shenanigans.

The following turn he drew Curiosity, slapped it on his general, and won.

>What is the most useless, non-vanilla, non-Haakon , Legendary Creature?
If we're going by General worthy-ness, given your mention of Haakon, then Phage the Untouchable. In monoblack, your only safe way to get her out is to have either a Platinum Angel or a Torpor Orb on the battlefield. If we're going with non-general, I'd have to say Krosan Groundshaker. I remember loving that card when it came out, but...it's just so useless now.

>> No.38009841

>>38009089
>>If price was no object what deck would you be playing?
A real one
>spending thousands of dollars on cardboard when cockatrice is just as good

>>What was your most epic win?
I've been playing with doomsday lately. Everytime I win with Doomsday feels epic.

>>What was your most recent mistake which lost you a game?
Most recent was probably dicking around in a game instead of just going for the throat.

>>What is the most useless, non-vanilla, non-Haakon , Legendary Creature?

Chorus of the Conclave. Their effect would be pretty cool, if only you didn't have to spend all your mana casting her.

Their effect turns Wild Pair into a search for any creature in your deck card.

>>38009484
Come on anon. Phage is great.

Nether Void
Thrull Wizard
Endless Whispers+Abyssal Persecutor (or Avarice Totem. Whispers should be in your deck anyways because it lets you assassinate people with phage.

>> No.38009922

>>38009484
>Krosan Groundshaker
Not a Legendary creature.

Also that turn 5 Primal Surge sounds pretty crazy. I take it that you didn't have a control player around when that happened?

As for Phage, I have to disagree. You have another effect, Sundial of the Infinte. And you're playing mono-black and have basically infinite tutors.

>>38009841
You playing Dralnu Doomsday?

>> No.38010064

>>38009922
No, Jeleva.

>> No.38011259

>If price was no object what deck would you be playing?
I'd love to be able to put together a Child of Alara Lands.dec, that deck is fun but extremely expensive.
>What was your most epic win?
I think that would have to go to when I was playing Marton Stromgald.
>fairly far into the game
>was getting mana screwed and everyone out borded me
>get enough mana to cast warp world
>had like 10 permanents on the board, everyone else had 15+
>screw it, time to roll the dice
>warp into a few ETB token producers
>Goblin Bombardment
>Vicious Shadows
>Memory Jar
>something that gave haste
>two players got some crazy stuff, including a Kozilek
>one player (control player) got really screwed ended up with like 5 lands
>have like 12 creatures that were all 1 or 2 power
>swing them all at one player who didn't get any blockers from the WW
>knock him down to 19
>other players were at 30 and 35
>second main phase
>crack memory jar
>everyone draws seven
>sacrifice a guy to goblin bombardment targeting 35 life player
>Vicious Shadow trigger goes on stack
>any responces?
>nopes all around
>proceed to kill control player with 3 VS triggers
>kill 30 life player with 4 VS triggers + 2 Bombadment damage
>kill last player with rest of VS triggers
>What was your most recent mistake which lost you a game?
Chaos Warping into a Blightsteel Collosus, swinging and killing the hug player when there was a white deck at the table.

Proceeded to Return to Dust my Blightsteel and then beat me down with weenies.

>> No.38011996
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Reminder.

>> No.38012375

>>38011996
red is a terrible colour for terrible people
the mindset behind it is "If I can't win consistently no one can!"
blue/green best dual colour
white best single colour

>> No.38012850 [SPOILER] 
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>SEXY/CUTE NEPHILIM TIME
>GUYS WHAT AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE?

>Pictures spoilered because some are slightly lewd

>DUNE-BROOD NEPHILIM

>> No.38012855 [SPOILER] 
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>GLINT-EYE

>> No.38012863 [SPOILER] 
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>INK-TREADER

Also I realized something when doing these. The flavor texts take on a WHOLE new light when you think about them in terms of monster girls.

>> No.38012879
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>WITCH-MAW

Hardest to find decent art for.

>> No.38012889

>>38012850
>>38012855
>>38012863
"Pseudo" is spelled with an "e" asshole

>> No.38012893 [SPOILER] 
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>YORE-TILLER

Also something interesting. It's really hard to find artist names to credit these to. And when you did find one, it was usually a single name/pseudonym. It's almost like they don't want credit.

>> No.38012895

>>38009089
Why start a commander general thread when there were already TWO commander general threads active?

>> No.38012903

>>38012889
Well shit. I'll fix them before I put them on the imgur.

>> No.38012927

Imagine that Commander didn't require a legendary, just any creature.

What commanders would become broken right there? What waifu commanders would start appearing? What would be the overrated piece of shit that every 14 year old plays?

And of course, what would you play other than your existing legendary commander?

>> No.38012932

>>38012895
There was one, which hit bump limit and promptly died. I created this one the same time someone else created another one. Was a mere coincidence. This one got actual constructive replies, so that one is in the process of dieing. It's on page 10 currently.

I don't really see the problem here.

>> No.38012957

>>38012932
Eh. Whatever; I guess. There are two other ones live right now though. One about to die, and the other on page 8.

>> No.38012994

>>38012957
They were all created about the same time, and people are inept when it comes to creating a thread and linking it before an old thread dies. Also, one of them was created without EDH in the title, which is what I search the catalog for, because I refuse to call it Commander.

Oh well, perfect storm of unfortunate circumstances.

>> No.38013057

>>38012893 >>38012879 >>38012863 >>38012855 >>38012850 >>38012889
>Spelling fixed and added to album.
http://imgur.com/a/SZC4Q#0

>> No.38013091

>>38012850
>>38012855
>>38012863
>>38012879
>>38012893
dies to removal

>> No.38013132

>>38013091
nice meme

>> No.38013192
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>>38013132
It will never die.

>> No.38013223

>>38013091
From a quick gatherer search I found out that there are 7708 creatures printed in Magic's History.

Out of these a combined 185 creatures have a combination of Shroud, Hexproof, or Indestructible. Lets add 15 on to that for various effects which can bounce a creature to hand or some other way to prevent it from dying to removal.

So 200 creatures out of 7708. That is literally 2.6% of the creatures in all of magic which won't "Die to removal." Which is also a falsehood considering that sweepers are also removal, which will kill the shroud/hexproof creatures.

So we have two options
>we add an addendum to that meme which will transform it into "Dies to Spot Removal." In which case we reached out 2.6%
>we only count indestructible creatures, of which 56 have been printed to this day. Working the numbers that means only 0.7% of creatures don't "die to removal"

Basically what I'm getting at is that you're a moron and should stop spouting meme garbage all over the place, especially when it doesn't have the slightest bit of relevance.

>> No.38013248

>>38013223
calm down anon it's only a meme; no need to get frustrated

>> No.38013268

>>38013223
You forgot to count creatures whose effects are frontloaded. ie, anything with Haste, or anything that blows up/searches/adds mana/+1/+1s your other creatures/mills/recovers cards from the graveyard when it hits the field.

>> No.38013280

>>38013268
Just because it does something the turn it enters the battlefield doesn't mean it doesn't "die to removal"

>> No.38013290

>>38013280
Yes it does

>> No.38013312

>hand without green mana
>gaea's cradle
>birds of paradise
i cri evertim

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>>38013268
I've never been a fan of the game-play of UB, particularly the U part, but holy hell this card is waifu galaxy/10.

How do I build her /tg/?

>> No.38014383

>>38009089
>get board wiped by deploy to the front
>opponent has 7 soldier tokens from it
>follows up with spectral procession and martial coup
>ends up being something like 17 tokens coming out over 3 turns after a wipe
>get up tidespout tyrant
>and terastodon
>and gilded drake
>with animar as general
>barely turn things around at 2 life
>3 mana cost cycle begins; kill 1 land; gain 1 elephant for every 3 mana I have
>12 mana
>prophet of kruphix
I seriously did not think I had a chance after that board wipe; this combo and win felt amazing

>> No.38014801

Just ordered cards for an Omnath deck. It's pretty cookie-cutter but it sounds fun to play.

>> No.38014868

Just got back from playing Standard tonight. They had some Divining Tops in the case and I bit the bullet and picked one up. It's now the most expensive card I own - pretty small change compared to some players' decks but a big deal to me.

Probably going straight into my Firemind Combo/Control build.

>> No.38014895

>>38014801
the first cards for my sigarda deck came today, including my japanese sigarda

>> No.38014941

>>38013591
Lots of creatures with the "whenever this deals combat damage to a player/opponent" phrase on it. Fill in with some counter spell and board wipes as needed. If you decide to use Silumgar, Xenograft and Conspiricy are great, turning a few creatures into a limited boardwipe.

Alternatively, you could go fairy tribal. Lots of people use Oona, who IS excellent, but tend to overlook Vela because she's not a fairy, when she simply provides a different focus.

>> No.38015439

>>38014868
Remember to put a Trinket Mage, Tezzeret, and Dizzy Spell in there. Sometimes you just NEED a Sensei's.

>> No.38015551

>>38015439

I've got a Trinket Mage on hand, actually. I think if I'm going to run him it might be worth expanding my package of targets. Right now it's just Sol Ring, Divining Top, Darksteel Citadel and possibly Tormod's Crypt - I actually can't recall off the top of my head if it's in there right now. It tends to bounce in and out depending on how recently I got hosed by a graveyard deck.

I should definitely get my hands on a Tezzeret - That deck is somehow where all my relevant Planeswalkers end up, I think I'm running five in there at the moment.

>> No.38015581

>>38015551
My personal package is Sol Ring, Sensei's, Seat of the Synod, and Pithing Needle. Pithing Needle can blow entire decks out of the water so easily. Daretti gets raped by the thing.

>> No.38015679

>>38015581

I've got two Planeswalker commanders I'm running into on a fairly regular basis - Daretti and Teferi. I've seen how easily Teferi can be shut down by it, but haven't had a chance to see Pithing Needle resolve against Daretti.

It'll be tough finding cuts to make. I might sort out a decklist and see if I can't get some advice from a fresher set of eyes.

>> No.38015727

>>38015679
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-01-15-gcr-nin-the-pain-artist/

Well here's the main list I run to pretty good effect at my LGS. First it was Melek, then it was Niv Mizzet, now it's Nin because she's an insane way of spending mana efficiently since you can just make her kill herself for cards. An awful lot of my losses come from Hoof out of fucking nowhere. Fucking sick of that piece of shit.

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Taking a few requests for alters if anyone's interested. I'll only do stuff where I can find fitting art within reasonable time or where fitting art is supplied, so no promises, but feel free to shoot requests even if you're unsure.

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>>38015773

How about Athreos using this art?

>> No.38015814

>>38015806
>How about Atheros but not Athreos

Man I hate you faggots so much.

>> No.38015815

>>38015581
>Monored can't deal with a single artifact
Whatever Daretti players you're playing against aren't constructing their decks correctly.

>> No.38015839

>>38015727

It's always nice to look at someone else's list and see so many things in there that match up with your own. You've got a few really sweet cards in there that I haven't yet had the opportunity/budget to acquire though.

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>>38015806
I tried adding a God effect to it, do tell if you think it's too much or if you don't like it at all.

>> No.38016088

>>38015727

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-02-15-Ijr-firemind-edh/

This is what I'm sitting on at the moment. I'm pretty happy with how it's playing at the moment - it's definitely the hardest deck to make cuts from out of the ones I'm running, and I've regretted a couple of the cuts I've made - Think Twice and Oona's Grace being two I keep wanting to fit back in there somehow.

Trinket Mage and Pithing Needle are the two cards that I'm looking to find a space for in there at the moment.

>> No.38016110

>>38016030

No that's super cool looking.

The only quibble I might have is that the whole image could be shifted up a little - there's a fairly big gap of space between the title and his head.

It'd also look super cool to have the lantern hanging over the text box, but that's probably a bit fiddly.

I'm impressed, anon!

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>>38016110
My first instinct was that some parts of the card would look weird if I moved it further up, but perhaps I was over-analyzing it.

This is take two.

>> No.38016356

So guys, I want to add a RUG commander to my arsenal. I've been thinking of animar with morph creatures, or Riku chaos/grouphug. Which will you think garners less hate?

>> No.38016382

>>38016356
Riku is Combo Central, and chaos/grouphug is one of the worst archetypes you can build since it just drags out games without really trying to win.

Animar is just value central, you can't go wrong with that.

>> No.38016386

>>38016345
Not the previous anon, but that's awesome. Great job man.

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>>38016345
>>38016386
And of course I discover a glaring error (in my eyes anyway) right away.

Well, this should be final. Hopefully.

>> No.38016454

>>38016386
Also, thank you. That's always nice to hear.

Any further requests? I should be able to cram in at least one more.

>> No.38016491

>>38016454
I think you would be able to make something amazing out of Brago, King Eternal. I'm working on building him myself.

>> No.38016722

>>38012927
I'd play Whisperwood Elemental. I'd play it so damn hard, it wouldn't even be funny.

>> No.38016817

>>38013091
>Ink-Treader dies to removal
And takes everyone else with it unless you boardwipe anyway.

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>>38016491
I have a personal interest in this as well as Brago is a central piece in one of my decks.

The great limitation, of course, is finding art that fits. Maybe it's because I'm a big stickler for the color composition of the art fitting the mana colors of the card, but it isn't always easy, especially for something more specific like Brago.

I don't know how satisfied I am with this for several reasons, but I'll post it anyway and let you be the judge of it.

>> No.38017790

>>38017685
I think its absolutely epic. The colours still match, and the way he's coming down totally fits the flavor, as if he just blinked out and back in. Totally going into sleeve when the deck is finished.

>> No.38017823

>>38009303
Nobody ever answers :c
I have come to you, more experienced players, to ask which mono blue commander really is the best on a Tight Buget?
Think $1 a card average, not quite 20$ mike trike but close.

Ive been playing and loving talrand, but part of me wants to dip into some basic combos, like Azami and Mind over Matter. Do I just do talrand with polymorph spells?

>> No.38017877

>>38009922
Yeah, the legendary bit was a brainfart.

And no, no real control players at the table. There was a guy running Maelstrom Wanderer as his general, but he was tapped out from one of his mana tutoring spells.

>>38012927
First off, any of the Commander 2014 Lieutenants would instantly be used because if they are your commander, then they boost themselves. Also, any of the M11-M12 Titans. Beyond that, my picks for I could see being used/would use:
White - Puresteel Paladin, Galepowder Mage, Serra Ascendant
Blue - Snapcaster Mage, Ætherling, Stormtide Leviathan, True-Name Nemesis
Black - Abhorrent Overlord, Crypt Ghast, Nirkana Revanent, Stronghold Overseer, Hand of the Praetors
Red - Butcher Orgg, Hunted Dragon, Thundermaw Hellkite
Green - Priest of Titania, Rhox/Tornado Elemental/Thorn Elemental (any of the giant "deal its damage as though it weren't blocked creatures"), Plated Slagwurm
Multi - Chromanticore, Torrent Elemental, Soulfire Grand Master, Brutal Hordechief, Defiler of Souls, Divinity of Pride
Colorless - Mycosynth Golem

Actually, if any creature could be your commander, not just legendary, Serra Ascendant would suddenly find itself the most-played in mono-white for maybe a week, and then promptly be the first card named on the newly reinstated "banned as a commander but legal as one of your 99" list.

>> No.38017914

>>38017823
You're probably getting so few answers because it's a tough nut to answer. Blue is just one of the most expensive colors in EDH and many of the monoblue generals only build effectively in a manner the requires some amount of expensive cards.

If you want budget, monored is probably much more on target.

Or Shu Yun, he's the undisputed heavyweight champion of cheap cantrips.

>> No.38017918

>>38012375

>U/G best dual color.
>Red terrible.

Get the fuck out.

>> No.38017971

>>38017918
UG *is* the best dual color though. Those two colors together, more than any other two color combination, shores up each others weaknesses and has the most complete arsenal of cards. UG almost doesn't lack a single thing.

I don't agree with that other guy though, red is great. It's actually one of the best colors for monocolored decks in EDH..

>> No.38018296

>>38017971
Monored not only is one of the strongest cheaply priced monocolor decks in the format, it's also the most versatile, even at lower pricepoints.

>> No.38018335

>>38011996
>best color combo
>not U/G/X
You must be bad at magic

>> No.38018403

>>38016817
You mean "And turns a Doom Blade into an easy way to kill every single creature your opponent controls without endangering your creatures in any way".

>> No.38018462

>>38018403
That's not how Ink-Treader works, unless you're assuming a set up. But we're not talking about set up.

>> No.38018579

>>38018462
The point he was making is that the person using doomblade probably has mostly non black creatures.

>> No.38018622

>>38018579
*mostly not nonblack creatures

>> No.38018689

>>38017685
Can i get a kruphix alter?

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>>38013192
"Dies to removal" doesn't die to removal?

>> No.38018830

>>38017685
Could I get an alter of kruphix god of horizons? Ive been looking to either acquire an amazing alternate of him or foil kruphix, and quite frankly the work you do is better than any foil would ever be.

>> No.38018869

>>38009089
>If price was no object what deck would you be playing?
Prismatic Superfriends with the Prismatic Mana Base
>What was your most epic win?
Casting Stormherd w/ Boseiju while at 68 life with Purphoros on the board killing everyone simultaneously including the Trostani player.
>What was your most recent mistake which lost you a game?
Tunnel Vision into Replenish while I knew that a dude had a Bojuka Bog in his hand.
>What is the most useless, non-vanilla, non-Haakon , Legendary Creature?
Tie between The Kirin's collectively and Gallowbraid.

>> No.38018898

Just threw this together after losing every game to infinite combo blue decks at EDH night last night. Not looking to break the bank, just looking for feedback.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-02-15-sharuum-combo/

>> No.38018936

>>38015773
/r/ing prossh, sky raider of Kher.

>> No.38019333

>>38013591
Put whatever creatures you want in it, just make sure to include DEN+Cloud of Faeries/Palinchron/Great Whale/Peregrine Drake. The latter three also work with Archaeomancer/Mnemonic Wall/Scrivener + Ghostly Flicker, which also works with Gilded Lotus instead of a creature. You can also use Nim Deathmantle + Ashnod's Altar with anything that makes at least one token when it enters or dies like Reef Worm or Grave Titan.

If you want non-combo, just run a bunch of UB Tokens and attack shit. Boardwipes become awful for them. Vela is fun.

Can anyone help with my Gisa deck? I want to make it more consistent because it either does nothing or explodes. There's very little middle ground. >http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gisa-zompacolypse-20/

>> No.38019477

>>38013591
Ninjas and bounce effects and >>38014941

>> No.38019626

Most recent mistake.

Just lost for the first time with doomsday. A blue/black player was untapped, but i went for it anyways. at first I was considering including red elemental blast in the pile, but because the general was phenax, I figured this guy had no clue what he was doing.

Much to my dismay, he notion thiefed me after I played laboratory maniac.

>> No.38019665

>>38019477
>>38013591
Most awesome janky ninja combo.
>Have infinte colored mana
>Play Vela
>Attack with a creature that will be unblocked
>Ninjutsu out a ninja, triggering Vela
>NInjutsu out another ninja, returning the unblocked ninja
>Repeat until all players are dead

>> No.38019684

>>38019626
It's always hilarious when you play off the wall generals and everyone underestimates you.

>> No.38020115

what's the silliest/unplayable commander in your opinion?

>> No.38020241

>>38020115
Haakon

>> No.38020405

bump

>> No.38020443

>>38020115
Mishra. Not because he's unplayable, but because of the hoops you have to jump through to use him well. But man, when you get through those hoops, shit flies.

>> No.38020485

>>38020115
phage

>> No.38020561

>>38020115
Haakon is the only general that can't actually be played under any circumstances in the game barring a house rule.

>>38020443
Mishra storm with eggs is actually legit. You don't need any special hoops to make it work. You just cast the egg, sacrifice it for effect, get it back, sac it again. Build up your storm count, cycle through your deck, win with tendrils of agony.

>>38020485
You can actually play phage.

>> No.38020585

>>38020561
>Get it back

You can't run Second Sunrise you know.

>> No.38020629

>>38020585
>cast egg
>mishra trigger goes on the stack
>in response, sacrifice egg
>get egg effect.
>resolve mishra trigger
>search graveyard for egg with same name
>oh look, I found it!
>put egg back into play.

>> No.38020663

>money is no object, what deck
I already have 4 black lotus so ...

>most epic win
8 person EDH game where no one was paying attention to me, popped tibalts ultimate and killed the remaining 3 people

>most recent mistake
I decided to cast searing blood in a grixis deck instead of leaving a counter open, my opponent swung for 19 and i died

> most useless legendary creature

Princess Lucrezia

>> No.38020671

>>38020629
Maybe you should read the relevant cards again.

>> No.38020770

>>38020671
Eh, even if it doesn't work the way I thought it was, you're wrong that the plan of >get em back doesn't work.

These are the colors of Yawgmoth's Will, if you'll remember.

>> No.38020803

>>38020770
YOU CAN'T SACRIFICE SHIT THAT HASN'T EVEN RESOLVED YET DUMBASS

Ok with that out of the way, you don't casually cast Yawgmoth's Will with Mishra, it's basically what snowballs you into victory. You run off your entire deck of artifacts with Possibility Storm, sac it to Krark Clan Ironworks, Yawgmoth's Will, cast all your artifacts again for fuck all mana this time because of cost reducing artifacts, by which point your storm count should be really fucking high. Then you win.

>> No.38020815

>>38020803
dude calm your fucking tits its a card game

>> No.38021017

>>38020803
>YOU CAN'T SACRIFICE SHIT THAT HASN'T EVEN RESOLVED YET DUMBASS

I get that. I said that, and acknowledged I was wrong.

And we seem to agree on yawgmoth's will, which means your comment earlier about second sunrise is pretty perplexing.

>> No.38021190
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>>38018689
>>38018830
I hope this works for you.

>> No.38021283

>>38021190
holy shit you captured the mystery aspect perfectly. thanks bro!

>> No.38023404

>gain 72 life with a single spell in monored
Oh arcbond

>> No.38023513

>>38021190
That's quite brilliant, well done. Good to see other people also requesting my requests (y).

>> No.38023698

What do you guys think would fare best at fnm; 20 dollar mike trike (plus shipping) or your run of the mill mono blue counter stack?

>> No.38023819

>>38023698
Depends on the meta I guess. The problem with Mickey Trickey is that everyone who sees you using him as a general will be preparing for Trisk. So you better be running Cavern and tutor it up before Trisk. I don't know how strong mono-blue control is outside of comboing, sorry.

>> No.38023880

>>38021190
If your still around how about one for Roon of the Hidden Realm? I'd like to see what you can come up with something more non-human...

>> No.38024422

>>38019333

>Can anyone help with my Gisa deck? I want to make it more consistent because it either does nothing or explodes. There's very little middle ground.
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gisa-zompacolypse-20/

Bump, can anyone help?

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>>38015773
How about pic rellated?

>> No.38024669

>>38023698
As Strider says, if your FNM knows about the Mike Trike deck they will be far more equipped to defeat it.

However, if they don't (and often even if they do) they will get surprise OHKO'd out of nowhere.

Mikaeus isn't reliant on Triskelion to win, he can go infinite in tons of other ways, so just play those out and wear them out and then hit the triskelion if they answer you. If they don't, well, they are dead.

>> No.38024713

>>38023698
>>38023819
>>38024669
I see you are discussing my Mikaeus deck.
I'll take this as an excuse to post a link to it.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mikaeus-extreme-sub-20-budget-edh

>> No.38024748

>>38014868
That's the most expensive card you own?

I'm not trying to sound elitest or anything, I'm just curious if people think $30 is expensive.

I mean, yeah it's cardboard but if it's your hobby it's pretty justifiable.

>> No.38024766

pr

>> No.38024830

>>38024748
I'm not going to pay 30$ to improve 1% of my deck

>> No.38025122

>>38024713
I tried plotting in the entire decklist to Magiccardmarket.

Price with shipping: $28
Price before shipping: $9.28

>> No.38025233

>>38024422
Contamination is pretty damn nasty for Gisa since you'll have a pretty consistent flow of creatures to sacrifice. Same goes for Smokestack. Plus they all give outlets for Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos, Blood Artist, etc.

I don't think you need Twisted Abomination. He's not all that great on his own and Swampcycling doesn't seem too necessary. You have a solid landbase already plus Expedition Map, Wayfarer's Bauble, and plenty of rocks.

Urborg makes Cabal Coffers huge and you can combine with Filth for a nasty finisher.

I might also suggest Endless Ranks of the Dead with her. They work together nicely.

Erebos is, in my opinion, a little better than Greed. Greed is cheaper but the "can't gain life" part on Erebos (plus 5/7) is pretty solid.

No Gravecrawler? The card's disgusting with Gisa. With Thornbite Staff it's essentially "BB: Put two 2/2 zombies on the field."

>> No.38025295
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38025295

Realized that I had a lot of fun vampires lying around, decided to make a theme-ish deck out of them.

Behold shitty Stax/Tribal(?) crap!

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/only-the-dead/

>> No.38025298

>>38024830
That's why you get tutors to bring it out more consistantly. Jeeze. Edh is only inconsistant if you make it inconsistant.

>> No.38025346

>>38025298
But why am I going to tutor for a utility artifact? If I'm tutoring anything, it's going to be win-con

>> No.38025439

>>38025346
>only running one tutor
>not having insane draw
>not spending money on a card you might never draw

Why should you use any card if you're not going to draw it?

>> No.38025499
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>>38025346
But it is a win con.

>> No.38025538

>>38025439
>spend 30$ on a top
>draw/tutor for top
>top does top things
>spend 10$ on a blightsteel
>draw/tutor for blightsteel
>blightsteel oneshots people

>> No.38025671
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Card Frog inspired me, thoughts?

>> No.38025717

>>38025538
Tutoring for repeatable deck stacking and repeatable hand sculpting is a legit tactict.

>> No.38025759

>>38025295
so many cards I want... damn

>> No.38025820

>>38025538
>spend 30$ on top
>draw/tutor for top
>top does top things
>spend 10$ for blightsteel
>draw/tutor for blightsteel
>it sits in your hand for five turns until a real deck combos out before you can play it.

I don't actually run top in my deck, but it's definitely worth considering in near every deck. And blighsteel just isn't worth considering at all in most.

>> No.38025825

>>38025538
But a top gets you to draw a Blightsteel.

Top is just good because it helps dig for cards in any color for very little investment.

It's like paying for a mana base. You can make a 5-color manabase for nothing but your deck will be wildly inconsistent. If you spend the money on it though it turns a slow, clunky 5-color deck into a fast, efficient, and consistent deck.

I can stack my deck full of some of the best wincons but it doesn't mean shit if I don't have the power to draw and play them.

>> No.38025920

>>38025538
Blightsteel means fuck all if you can't cast it. Top allows you to fill your hand and control your draws which is important for ramp in non-green. Also, it can dodge removal.

>> No.38026046

>>38012855
I'd thunder its craving, if you know what I mean.

>> No.38026091

>>38009089
>>If price was no object what deck would you be playing?
Probably BUG goodstuff, i don't really have a goodstuff deck. everything i own is a gimmick of some sort, would be nice to not have a theme deck whilst playing pretty much every good card in EDH

>>What was your most epic win?
The last game i had with my Glissa stax deck was good, ultimately came down to the mimeoplasm player paying for lethal vapors not letting his living end come off suspend. so many fucking graveyards were exiled that game.

>>What was your most recent mistake which lost you a game?
i played Narset, seriously i don't have enough money to properly make the deck, so i'm likely just going to dismantle it and make shu yun or something.

>>What is the most useless, non-vanilla, non-Haakon , Legendary Creature?
Marhault Elsdragon

>> No.38026110

>>38025820
>TFW I get to run CounterTop in a deck because I opened a top back in grade 5 and somebody gave me a Counterbalance

>> No.38026145

>>38025920
>>38025825
>>38025820
I think what he's trying to say is that top is an expensive and powerful card that really doesn't feel expensive and powerful. People will see you play it, groan because they know they can't get rid of it, and move on. It's a boring card

>> No.38026190

>>38025233
I only have a single Erebos, which is why I have Greed instead because my other is being used. If I get another one, I'll more than likely replace Greed.

Contamination is a good idea, though. I like that. I've thought about going a Stax route, but I don't know how effective it would be in practice. If I have enough Zombies to not care, I could probably just swing out and put someone down. However, if I'm low on zombies, I'm not exactly making strong board presence and am instead remaining neutral. I guess the argument there is my board isn't getting smaller and my opponent's board should.

I liked abomination because if I get it early, it's a swamp, and if I get it later, it's 5 zombies, 7 with a war chief, and I can keep recycling it with Grotto/Reclamation. However, I supposed it's cutable. On that topic, what's a good amount of mana ramp/fixing to have? My meta is basically Hurr hurr ramp ramp ramp ramp C-C-C-COMBO! In varying styles hats just sort of how I learned to play and assumed that's just how it was played. Now I know that's not the case, but I have no idea how to make a better deck lol.

Anyway, I only have a few Urborgs and like my Erebos, they are used up. It's mono black, so I figured I would be safe without it.

Gravecrawler was in at first, and I cut him because I wasn't sure how much value I was actually getting from him and I wanted to use him for another deck, though he didn't make the cut there. Should I put him back in then? Come to think of it, I guess he goes infinite with another zombie, Blood Artist, and Phyrexian Altar.

I forgot that Endless Ranks of the Undead was a thing. I'll have to snag a copy.

What should come out then?

>> No.38026195

>>38026145
Top is like a fetch land in that regard. It's not a very powerful feeling card, you're right. But most decks are improved a lot by adding one.

>> No.38026386

>>38026110
do you play legacy countertop? or just stick those two in a random blue edh deck?

>> No.38026420

>>38026145
Well yeah, it's not like you drop it on the table and everyone shits their pants, but it's a good part.

Maybe don't make it #1 on your list but when you finally get the rough build of your deck out and you're starting to get more cards and want to make your deck better.

>> No.38027033
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I'm working on a Voltron deck with (surprise!) Rafiq. This is the draft I'm working with now, but I'm not sure if I should add more cards to protect Rafiq (counters and the like). Thoughts? First attempt at a Voltron deck, so if there are any staples I'm missing, please inform me.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rafiq-of-the-many-champion-of-one/

>> No.38027142

my brother cant find a new commander. im helpless. hes so hard to satisfy

>> No.38027179

>>38027142
What is his criteria?

>> No.38027217

>>38027179
it should be fun and not too creature heavy. Also no voltron

>> No.38027329

>>38027217
>Mishra
>Melek
>Zedruu
>Azami/Ertai
>Ink Treader nephilim (if that's how you roll)
>Sen triplets

Theres a lot of room inside the criteria of not too creature heavy, no voltron. The real question is what color of combo does he prefer?

>> No.38027357

>>38027217
URx spell deck, UBx / UGx control deck, a WGx enchantment deck, an Artifact themed deck (Red or Esper) all fit those criteria.

>> No.38027516

>>38027329
he doesnt even know what colour he wants to play.
At first he wanted to build a Niv-Mizzet deck, then a Zedruu deck and today his plan was to make a mono black deck.
I cant help him anymore.

>>38027357
I will propose an artifact deck to him

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>>38019665
>Ninjutsu (Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
oh god you can loop it

>> No.38027940

I'm planning on making a mogis group slug deck. Any must have cards?

>> No.38027991

>>38027940
Havoc festival

>> No.38028028

>>38012863
Man, I would tread that ink

>> No.38028063

>>38027217
Oloro.
Oloro's creatures are usually just tools he uses to do things, like Viskopa Guildmage and (you might not use this, but I like it) Mulldrifter. Magister of Worth is fun as hell too.

>> No.38028129

>>38027940
Rain of Gore
Havoc Festival
Slaughter Games
Heartless Hidetsugu
Wound Reflection
Stranglehold
Painful Quandary
Burning Earth
Underworld Dreams
Furnace of Rath
Dictate of the Twin Gods
Sire of Insanity
Kaervek the Merciless
Stigma Lasher
Everlasting Torment
Forsaken Wastes
Polluted Bonds
Ankh of Mishra
Sulfuric Vortex
Spiteful Visions
Stuffy Doll
Massacre Wurm
Kokusho
Gray Merchant of Asphodel
Erebos, God of the Dead

>> No.38028149

>>38028129
Woops, didn't mean slaughter games, just always think of that card when I think of Havoc Festival.
Slaughter Games sucks in EDH.

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>>38028129
>Stuffy Doll

>> No.38029264

>>38025671
this is pretty cool, do you have any other alters?

>> No.38029426

My bros want me to make a rock'em sock 'em robots deck, but I don't really feel like spending very much on it. So, can anyone help me reduce the cost of this puppy by around 10 dollars? I feel like I should just drop the MLD, but nobody in my meta runs it, and I also want the Kruphix player to eat shit when I blow up all lands after he Boundless Realms.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/uril-gonna-regret-it/

>> No.38029446

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-02-15-wrath-of-the-gods/

>> No.38031442

>>38015773
Reaper King

>> No.38032167
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38032167

friends and I are making fake commanders, using 99 card decks of existing cards. Ignore the card name and picture if you're not familiar with the band I'm referencing, is the mana cost appropriate for the abilities listed?

>> No.38032282

>>38032167
Ask the guys over at >>38021193
They're going to be able to give you better feedback on custom cards than anyone here possibly could.

>> No.38032366

>>38032167
Honestly, for a commander it could be costed 1 lower.

I see no reason to run this over Prossh.

Fuck, remove double strike and you can cost it at 3!

>> No.38032473
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>>38032366
Or at least if you have it costed at 5, remove the "combat damage" clause.

Then you can have fun with stuff like Goblin Sharpshooter, Deathbringer Thoctar, Triskelion (kill all creatures!), Pestilence Demon and many other fun ping effects.

Although if you lower the cost remember to lower the stats slightly. Remember that it will pretty much always have a +1/+1 counter on it when it takes combat damage the first time so it doesn't necessarily need a higher toughness than power.

3/3 is fine.


Pic related for an example of an already existing card that does this and it hasn't shattered the world.

>> No.38032995

>>38032282
>better feedback
>hey cooldown guy

That being said

>>38032167
>hey cooldown guy

I resent that you are having fun in a way that I do not approve of by naming a shitty custom card after a shitty band with a shitty picture, but the effect is fairly costed.

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>>38028755
ara~

>> No.38035348

Bump

>> No.38036662
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>>38031442

>> No.38036879

>>38024748

Yeah pretty much. It's small change compared to what some people are spending, but the guys in my group are looking at me like I'm crazy for dropping that much on a card.

It's all relative.

>> No.38038029

I need some real advice.
I have been playing edh with a bunch of dudes who frankly suck at magic. I often make suboptimal plays and hold my good cards in my hand for the entire game. As their decks are super battleship style, but there is a fair amount of boardwipes in the meta, games can grind on for hours.
Like up to four hours.
Now I'm used to a fairly high powered meta, and I moved due to work, and we had a few games that went for a couple of hours. These games were exceptions to the rule and they were tight and exciting. Every turn of these games had gamechanging plays, even if that play was to leave seven blue sources untapped. But most of the games were less than an hour, with strong plays requiring strong responses, and quick and interactive play resulting in some player getting a combo engine going or the card or mana advantage to win.
However, in this new meta, I find myself winning an unacceptable number of times. I'd like an out. I like an option where I can go 'lol i win' and let them fight it out amongst themselves.
I want a combo win with Mind Over Matter/Temple Bell, which ends in sculpted hands for the other players, and full libraries.

So far I've found Diminishing Returns, Lich's Mirror, Myr Mindservant, Mnemonic Nexus and Quest for Ancient Secrets all do things that are close to what I want to do. So I come to you for help.
Help me find up to four cards in this deck that I can take out for an everybody-has-seven-perfect-cards after I win package.

>> No.38038128

>>38038029

Wheel of Sun and Moon

Just make a few copies of it with copy enchantment and clever impersonator to make sure everyone has one.

>> No.38038223

>>38038128
>Wheel of Sun and Moon
Dang. It's a Zedruu deck, ideally, so that breaks color rules.
But that's a very good recommendation. I could change it to an Angus McKenzie deck and infuriate my game-mates even more.

>> No.38038259

>>38038223
>>38038029

I'm also thinking I should have mentioned it was a Zedruu deck in my post, because that's actually a serious constraint.
lol winning too much with a zedruu deck. Never heard that before

>> No.38038675

>>38038259
>>38038223
Oh actually, I have a far better card for this.

It's a colorless card and it only costs 1 mana.

Library of Leng.

Just copy it with copy artifact, phyrexian metamorph, and clever impersonator, then give them away.

Then make everyone discard their hands (however, they get to decide exactly in which order they put things on top of their library!)

Cast Laboratory Maniac

Then cast Prosperity for 7, everyone draws a perfectly sculpted hand as they got to pick what is on top of their library.

You win due to running out of cards in your library, and all your opponents have a perfectly sculpted hand AND deck (make them shuffle their deck if that is too much).

>> No.38038763

>>38038675
Actually, they get a perfectly sculpted hand, deck AND graveyard.

>> No.38040239

What happened to the thread? Why is nobody posting.

>> No.38040314

Tgproxyguy, you said something about considering a tutorial / video on how to print proper alters. Any plans on completing it?

I'd love some advice on how to do it before I try my hand at it for the first time.

>> No.38041801

>>38040314
proxguy#2 here, I'd say get a paper that weights more than 80g/m2 so you have a thicker card and you can work with it easier with less chance of it wrinkling or something. I'd say, print it on a good laser printer, maybe even in a print shop where they have bigger (more expensive) machines. then get a x-acto knife (or sharp scissors if you are precise) and cut it out. I might even go ahead and make a example printing sheet... mmh. Oh, and don't print one card on a single A4 sheet, it's a waste, the less white space on the printing sheet the better

>> No.38041822

>>38041801
addendum: after cutting, glue it to some land or other crap card so it feels more authentic. I don't know what glue, so you might want to experiment with that

>> No.38041972

I'm currently slowly assembling three different decks; Sapling, Melek and Zurgo. Does anyone have any suggestions for any or all? I'm pretty sure I have the most obvious interactions down, so any secret tech is appreciated.

>> No.38042736

>>38041972
Zurgo player here. The main thing is to get him out really early, he has the lowest cmc for the highest power out of any commander. I like to ramp him out with rituals and rocks on turn 2 or 3- pro color and doublestrike next turn for the kill. Most decks won't have blockers out yet, but it's good to keep wipes and mld for when you're up against tokens.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-02-15-zurgo-helmsmasher-edh-deck/

>> No.38042959

>>38042736
You DON'T run assault suit?

This surprises? It's basically half the reason I'm building a Zurgo specifically.

Other than that, it's a good list and you gave good tips. Thanks.

>> No.38043409
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I've been experimenting both with a frame specifically for artifacts and with smaller textboxes for certain cards. Thoughts?

I've put up a gallery now, too:
http://imgur.com/a/WhIh3

Also, I'm taking a couple requests. I'm doing other stuff on the side though, so it might be slow or I might do it at a later date. Either way, I'll upload it to the gallery if it takes too long to upload in this thread.

>> No.38043464

>>38043409
that's really cool
So you take other people's art and other people's cards and shop the card text over the art and call it a day?

>> No.38043591
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>>38043409
How about a take on Noetic Scales? It's been one of my favorites for a long time

>> No.38043662

>>38041801
>>38041822
That was my original plan, but the other proxyguy said something about laser printing directly onto cards that I was curious about.

>> No.38043698

>>38043409
Perhaps animar?

He's become yo go to commander especially for tiny leaders and some art which does him a bit more justice as a morph / artifact engine would be wonderful.

>> No.38043826

>>38009089
>>If price was no object what deck would you be playing?
The same Niv-Mizzet deck. Id just bling it out, finally get a Mox Ruby/Sapphire, Time Walk, Volcanic Island, etc
>>What was your most epic win?
7 Player pod, 2 cards in my hand (Cyclonic Rift, and Double Negative). 8-9 lands+Sol Ring, Ral Zarek with 3 counters, Melek, and Goblin Electromancer. Was able to draw for turn, had Serum Visions on top for Melek. Was able to copy spells, keep digging...was able to dig into the ability to copy High Tide 4 times, play Temporal Trespress, Temporal Mastery, and Time Warp, Play my commmander, psychosis crawler, get into my Puzzle Box and Whirlpool warrior with 23-25 cards in hand with reliquary tower. Was able to burn everyone down...even the GW Lifegain deck who had 272 life at the time this happened.
>>What was your most recent mistake which lost you a game?
Letting an opponent resolve an Omniscience. It was his only card. Next turn he rips a Kozelik, and draws into Craterhoof Behemoth, Eternal Witness, Kossig Wolf Run and Regrowth.
>>What is the most useless, non-vanilla, non-Haakon , Legendary Creature?
not sure...

>> No.38044020
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>>38043591
Finding good, usable art of scales is hard but I did what I could. I'm willing to revisit this if you ever find better art for it.

This version is punny, though, so there's that.

>>38043464
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Card alters isn't exactly rocket surgery.

>> No.38044143

>>38044020
Thanks for the proxy anon, I'll try to find some alternate art later but I gotta head out to the store to pick up some packs for drafting with buds tonight. If you're still around we can make something really cool!

Also the oracle text has been updated for the scales but we can fix that later

>> No.38044161

>>38044143
Not that guy but that IS the updated oracle text.

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>>38043698
How's this?

>> No.38044758

>>38044716
Can you make an alter of Purphoros and Sheoldred?

>> No.38044834

>>38044758
Well, that would be two alters, no?

I kid, but I'm probably out for the evening anyway. I'll add them to the backlog. You might find them in my gallery in the near future or you can remind me whenever you see me in an EDH thread in the future.

>> No.38044872

>>38044834
Thanks, I appreciate it.

>> No.38045079

I decided to try and play EDH for the first time a bit ago, and I decided to play based off of Elf tribal, as I had a shit ton of 7 ed era elves. I researched good edh artifacts, and what my commander should be, and I think I did ok building my first deck. What do you guys think? What should I change/alter?
http://deckstats.net/decks/25595/192987-elves-edh/en

>> No.38045278

>>38045079
I would never play Shield of the Avatar, no matter how many creatures I could regularly get. You should reserve card slots for more impactful cards.

Unless you have a playgroup that gets butthurt over stuff like that, you should probably replace Overrun with the version of it that gives infect.

>> No.38045824

>>38015773
Been looking for a Bruna alter of her effected by Eldrazi Conscription, but less Hentai and more Lovecraftian

If your bored

>> No.38045916

>>38045079
I have an elfball deck using Freyaslise. Somehow, it turned out to be one of my better decks and I wasn't even trying. It might be better with Ezuri at the helm, but I like the idea of using Freya and using a Planeswalker. She doesn't get much hate cause she just draws cards for an ult, which isn't crazy compared to other Planeswalkers, she's a naturalize on a stick, or just shots out a bunch of lanawar elves.

What do you guys think of Freya?

>> No.38046608

>>38045916
Not the guy you're replying to, and Freya is decent, I just personally don't like playing Planeswalkers as commanders because I like keeping commander damage as an option. Doesn't matter how small your commander is, commander damage always has a shot at being relevant.

>> No.38046692

>>38046608
I agree. However, Triumph of the Hordes also gets the job done lol

>> No.38046746

Wound Reflection + Sorin Markov is fuckin' RUDE.

>> No.38046888

>>38009089
>>If price was no object what deck would you be playing?
5 color walkers with as legit a manabase as any man could hope for

>>What was your most epic win?
I use to play an aurelia the warleader deck that focused on tricks and surprise alpha strikes. I've probably once or twice killed 2 or 3 players out of nowhere with suprise extra combat steps.

>>What was your most recent mistake which lost you a game?
I've recently started playing armageddon in my white edh decks after a friend convinced me its not half as shithead as I first felt it might be. I've been trying to use it to put myself in a position of "only man with a real board" and winning the game from there, it's backfired a few times.

>>What is the most useless, non-vanilla, non-Haakon , Legendary Creature?
incertrandonlegendscard

>> No.38047528

>>38044716
Kind of bland or WoW-esque when weighed against your regular , more abstract choices in art. Still a solid job editing; my gratitude for your effort.

>> No.38048329

>>38046888
>I've recently started playing armageddon in my white edh decks after a friend convinced me its not half as shithead as I first felt it might be. I've been trying to use it to put myself in a position of "only man with a real board" and winning the game from there, it's backfired a few times.

I was playing Nahiri and had 11 loyalty and super Kor with Darksteel Plate, Sword of Wrath, Mask of Memory, and a Sword of Kaldra. A guy Armageddons with an Elspeth 3.0 on board and thought he was safe. I pop Nahiri, swing into Elspeth for 14 trample double strike vigilance. Only then does he realize his mistake.

You're not alone in your mistakes lol

>> No.38049994

>>38012927
Boldwyr Intimidator
that flavor tho

>> No.38050168

Are there any janky interactions I can use for a Sisters of Stone Death deck? Having a competition between friends where we each picked commanders for each the other that were on the shit side but still usable. Gentlemen's agreement to make the commander important to the deck as any other commander.

>> No.38050244

>>38050168
SoSD are their own janky interaction. It's awesome.

>> No.38050659
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I want to run this card because it's really cool. How can I make discarding my hand somehow NOT suck, or at least suck a little less? Should I even bother trying?

>> No.38050801

>>38050659
Ignorant Bliss

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>>38050659

Run it with Zirilan of the Claw. Cast Apocalypse, tutor for this fuckin guy.

Laugh at everyone. If they have no responses that is.

>> No.38050912

>>38050834
I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're getting at. Float 11mana, cast Apocalypse... and then cast Worldgorger somehow, having discarded it?
I don't know what you're talking about.
>>38050801
That's pretty good, and drawing a card for my trouble isn't bad either.

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>>38050912
>Apocalypse.
>Responses? No?
>Neat, In response I will activate Zirilian's ability to grab Worldgorger
>Exile my things
>Apocalypse resolves, worldgorger is exiled, everything you had comes back into play
>Discard your hand and destroy everything wiht your untouched board.

>> No.38050991

>>38050966
holy shit
Forgive me, I was being stupid for a little bit there
holy SHIT though

>> No.38050998
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>>38050659
<--- This

>> No.38053968

>>38050834
I fucking love worldgorger dragon.

>> No.38056764

Post Magic waifus. I'm building an EDH which I'm calling Tasigur's Harem and I need to figure out what to include.

>> No.38056822

>>38056764
Prophet of Kruphix.

>> No.38056840

>>38056764
Harem anime is the stupidest concept, and nothing about it should be carried on to mtg.
That being said, Sheoldred, Visara, Damia, Hythonia

>> No.38056893

>>38056840
Pssh, fuck harem anime. I'm building a pleasure palace for the nipple-piercing prince.

>> No.38056967

>>38056893
Ah, well godspeed then. Those I mentioned, and perhaps also Dreamborn Muse, Kiku, Ink-Eyes, and Toshiro Umezawa since Tasigur is most definitely bi.

>> No.38057194

>>38056967
>Tasigur is most definitely bi.

Stop inserting your fetishes into our game.

>> No.38057308

>>38009089
>If price was no object what deck would you be playing?
I'll add Timetwister to my Azami or Progenitus Superfriends (all foil/judge foil).

>What was your most epic win?
Not really epic but I Rite of Replication (kicked) Lab Maniac.

>What was your most recent mistake which lost you a game?
Playing against Firemind and Nekusar.

>What is the most useless, non-vanilla, non-Haakon , Legendary Creature?
Joven.

>> No.38057326

>>38057308
You haven't lived until you've Rite of Repped a Reaper King.

>> No.38057363

>>38011996
Dude, I love green. It's casual as fuck for kitchen table, yet I've still made a turn 5 hardcast Emrakul deck that wrecks scrubs.

>> No.38057644

>That feel when playing my finely tuned Mimeoplasm list earlier today in a 4 player game
>Someone plays a Mardu Woe-Reaper

I just fucking scooped. How am I supposed to play around something like that? Seriously fuck Wizards.

>> No.38057891

>>38026190
>HURR GIV ADVIZ PLOX
>DURR BUT I NO SPEND NO MONEY

FUCK. YOU. You are the reason no-one bothers to give deck advice in these threads, because when someone takes the time to do so, you reply with "hurr thanks but no". Just fuck you.

>> No.38057936

>>38028755

Wow a 3-card combo to deal 1 damage to everything! Awesome skills, Anon!

>> No.38057956

>>38036662
>>38031442

Seconding the King, but this time as an animu loli.

>> No.38057958

>>38057644
Fuck off Sheldon.

>> No.38057984

>>38038223

Go balls-in 5 color group hug. Turbo charge everyone's deck, if they won't win by themselves then by God MAKE them win!

>> No.38058575

>>38057984
Just buy a Planechase deck man.

>> No.38058690

>>38045278
What card is that? Any other suggestions to fill those slots.

>>38045916
Well, I'll be getting both cards, so I'll try em both out and see what I like better.

>> No.38058733

>>38058690
Triumph of the Hordes

>> No.38059500
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Hey /tg/, I ordered the C14 Elf deck and while browsing for some cards to tune it a bit, I encountered a bunch of cards that made me think.
Could I make an infinite mana combo by enchanting a Forest with Elvish Guidance, tapping it for 2+ mana, untapping it and a Wirewood Lodge with Argothian Elder, then using the Wirewood Lodge to untap the Argothian Elder, then tapping the enchanted forest for 2+ mana again and using the Wirewood Lodge to untap the Argothian Elder, et cetera? Sure, having all of these on the field and using them uninterrupted is some magical Christmas land kind of shit, but it's not like those cards are bad on their own either, right?
Or have I missed something?

>> No.38059539

>>38059500
I don't see why it wouldn't, personally.

>> No.38059637

>>38059500
Those cards are mandatory in an elf deck and yes they go infinite.

>> No.38059683

>>38059500
It works just fine (you just specifically have to target Argothian Elder with the Lodge and then tap the Elder in response), and with some creature and land tutors, which is what green is all about, there's no reason it has to be magical christmas land shit.

>> No.38059792

>>38059539
>>38059637
>>38059683
Sweet. I'm kinda new to MTG and EDH, so finding this out just now made me really happy. Especially seeing how cheap those cards are! And with a few more elves, it should work with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx as well. And I was almost about to say "well but all those cards only tutor basic lands", but then I thought to search for rules text that says 'a land card' and boom, found stuff to put the Lodge and Nykthos into play! Nice!
Although I do love the randomness of EDH and don't want to put in too many tutors and make every game the same. But surely a handful can't hurt.

>> No.38059797

>>38057936
Anon please

>> No.38059921

I'm building a BG sacrifice deck. The general idea is to mostly build it around creatures like pic related, that is creatures that can sac themselves and then have lots of cards that bring additional benefits when my guys dies, stuff to bring back my own graveyard etc etc.

I'm having a hard time finding a decent number of creatures that fit the bill, though. Any and all suggestions are welcome.

>> No.38060011

>>38057936
It's an infinite combo bro. Read the cards.

>> No.38060218

>>38059500
lol

>> No.38060625

>>38059921
dies to removal

>> No.38060664

>>38059792
Elvish guidance is not mandatory in any elf deck. Now I'm mad.

>>38059500
Use Rings of Brighterth instead, and instead of elvish guidance, priest of titania, gaea's cradle, etc.

>> No.38060818

>>38060664
Oh boy. Yeah, I might try that out, but I'll definitely proxy the Cradle. Not gonna shell out 90 bucks for a card anytime soon.
And don't be mad. It may not be as good as the Cradle, but it does its job well enough I guess.

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>>38060011
>'other'

>> No.38061132

>>38061067
Anon you might be retarded

>> No.38061186

>>38061067
Remember it tries to deal damage to you as well.

>> No.38061620

>>38061067
What did you think the Pariah was for, you retard?

>> No.38062572

Worked some more on my Ruric Thar deck. Any feedback on it is appreciated. What I was trying to go for with this deck is to run a bunch of cards and effects that speed up the game or encourage/force players to be more aggressive and proactive.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ruric-deck/

Trying my best to not go over 12 noncreature spells but I'd be open to bumping that number up to 14 if it helps the deck overall.

I am not trying to go tryhard, but it would still nice for this deck to hold it's own against a higher power level and actually work out.

Finally, would this theme/strategy realistically work out? Or will people hate fun?

>> No.38062902

>>38062572
>no possibility storm

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Gimmick Decks or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jank
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/anthive/
also, what is /edhg/'s opinion on Wirefly Hive, in terms of:
playability?
cool factor?

>> No.38064105

>>38063516
>playability?
Zero.
>cool factor?
Seriously? It makes tokens. Maybe. That's not cool. It's just subpar.

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>>38059921
Oh hey, I forgot my image. Silly me.

Still, any advice?

>> No.38064624

>>38064429
go WBG and get stuff like Second Sunrise and Faith's Reward along with your grave pacts
just make sure that if you're Sunrising you take care to either exile opponent's graveyards with Crypt/Nihil Spellbomb or that your opponents aren't getting ETB value, because Sunrise is symmetrical

>> No.38065355

>>38014941
Does phase work with her? I thought phase doesn't cause them to leave the battlefield.

>> No.38065524

>>38065355
The post you're quoting doesn't say anything about phasing.

And no, you're right, phasing doesn't cause something to leave the battlefield.

>> No.38065599

>>38065355
Phasing just causes the game to give cards the silent treatment and pretend they don't exist for a round. Nothing enters or leaves the battlefield. The main general I've found that abuses Phasing is Braids, Conjuruer Adept.

>> No.38065661

>>38065524
Oh shit you're right, I read it at as "Whenever this deals combat damage to a player/opponent, phasse".

>> No.38065732

>>38065599
>The main general I've found that abuses Phasing is Braids, Conjuruer Adept.

Phasing is also a great way of stopping creatures from going somewhere at end of turn, so it works well with commanders like Sedris and Yasova.

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>>38065524
>phasing doesn't cause something to leave the battlefield.
OR enter the battlefield
it's just imaginary for the duration of being phased out
based Phasing
>player A activates Dust Bowl targeting player B's whatever
>B: Teferi's Response targeting Dust Bowl
>A: Reality Ripple targeting Dust Bowl
>B: Reality Ripple targetting land originally targeted with Dust Bowl
>blue vs blue EDH

>> No.38065803

>>38065732
>sedris
Hah. I never thought of that interaction. That's hilarious.

>> No.38066682

>>38065732
Doesn't work with Yasova. They get the phased creature back at end of turn and they they unphase at their untap because they are returned at end of turn, not the beginning of the end step.

>> No.38067165

>>38066682
>http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Phasing
>702.25e Continuous effects that affect a phased-out permanent may expire while that permanent is phased out. If so, they will no longer affect that permanent once it’s phased in. In particular, effects with “for as long as” durations that track that permanent (see rule 611.2b) end when that permanent phases out because they can no longer see it.
i'm still trying to figure out exactly what it means by "no longer affect that permanent once it’s phased in" because it seems more applicable to something like Merieke, who won't be able to destroy the creature if Merieke becomes untapped while the creature is phased out
i think 702.25b may be the relevant one though
>If a permanent phases out, its status changes to “phased out.” Except for rules and effects that specifically mention phased-out permanents, a phased-out permanent is treated as though it does not exist. It can’t affect or be affected by anything else in the game.
i don't believe it will be returned to the owner's control, but i'm not familiar with phasing

>> No.38067208

>>38009484

>100 permanents
> Primal surge as well

Maths seems a bit off there

>> No.38067280

>>38067208
no you're supposed to accuse him of cheating for having 101 cards!

>> No.38067476

>>38066682
Actually, I just looked into it some more and you're correct, but not for the reason you think.

The reason it doesn't work is that Yasova sets up a continuous effect, which ends no matter if the creature is phased or no. If it had been a separate trigger, like on Sedris, it would have worked, but stealing effects are almost never worded like that.

>> No.38067899

>>38067165
The "until end of turn" effect of Yasova expires while the permanent is phased out. Because of that it phases in at it's controller's untap step under that player's control if I understand correctly.

With merieki, if you untap her while a permament is phased out, the creature won't be destroyed, but it will go back to it's owner's control.

>> No.38068249

>>38067899
>With merieki, if you untap her while a permament is phased out, the creature won't be destroyed, but it will go back to it's owner's control.
you've somehow combined Rubinia and Merieke
Merieke's duration is "as long as you control Merieke Ri Berit"
its other condition is that the creature will be destroyed if Merieke leaves the battlefield or becomes untapped
i was saying i'm not sure what happens to the temporary control effect if the creature phases out, because i'm not familiar with phasing
i'm looking back at the "continuous effects with a duration" part and i somehow came to the conclusion that it would phase in on your turn and go back to its previous controller? since it's phased out under your control, but you no longer have an effect that says you control it?
I'd prefer to ask GA

>> No.38068520

>>38068249
Oh, with phasing and meriki then, you still control the creature, because the control effect didn't expire while phased. It just doesn't get destroyed, just like if you had used Meriki on a Blightsteel.

So it phases in on your turn.

>> No.38068802

>>38068520
right
with yasova, i'm not sure -if- or -how- the control durration ending while the creature is phased out interacts with phasing
does it change control while phased out?
does it magically just phase in on their battlefield?
does it phase in on your turn and fuck off back to where it belongs?
does it phase in on your turn and you keep it?

>> No.38068923

>>38068802
>on their battlefield?
for reasons, i must correct this to "on their turn under their control?"
the battlefield is a shared zone

>> No.38069786

>>38068802
How about you just don't play with any cards that have phasing.

>> No.38069916

>>38069786
i don't but i'm a judge so i want to know for sure what happens, regardless of the fact that i will likely never have to judge an event where something this stupid happens

>> No.38069958

>>38069786
Phasing is amazing you pleb.

>> No.38069981

>>38069916
Well a creature can never phase in or out while Yasova has it under your control in the first place since all phasing in and out happens before the untap step. It's a moot question.

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>>38069981
That's wrong. It can't phase in but permanents can phase out whenever they damn well please.

>> No.38070081

>>38069981
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+%5Btarget%5D+%5B%22phases%20out%22%5D
i found four ways to do it
search gatherer before opening your mouth

>> No.38070094

>>38070052
Well fine in that case let me do what you should be doing and checking the CR.

>702.25e Continuous effects that affect a phased-out permanent may expire while that permanent is phased out. If so, they will no longer affect that permanent once it’s phased in. In particular, effects with “for as long as” durations that track that permanent (see rule 611.2b) end when that permanent phases out because they can no longer see it.

>> No.38070146

>>38070094
I'm not the guy your replied to before, and we already established this here: >>38067476

I'm just saying your statement was wrong.

>> No.38070151

>>38070081
well
Ripple and Vodalian Illusionist
Sapphire Charm can't target it if you control it
the Efreet doesn't work at all because it triggers off phasing in
Vision Charm would require it to be an artifact creature

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due to precedent not being found, i have come to a conclusion
the creature returns to its owners control while still phased out, per the example of 702.25b
>If a permanent phases out, its status changes to “phased out.” Except for rules and effects that specifically mention phased-out permanents, a phased-out permanent is treated as though it does not exist. It can’t affect or be affected by anything else in the game.
>Example: You control three creatures, one of which is phased out. You cast a spell that says “Draw a card for each creature you control.” You draw two cards.
>Example: You control a phased-out creature. You cast a spell that says “Destroy all creatures.” The phased-out creature is not destroyed.

control of the creature exists, therefore control of the creature can change

>> No.38070390

>>38070313
The creature belongs to its owner. A continuous effect is causing it to be controlled by a different player. Continuous effects no longer apply to phased out shit. The way I'd imagine it works is that since Yasova's control changing effect is no longer being applied, it goes back to its owner's control.

>> No.38070461

>>38070390
>Continuous effects no longer apply to phased out shit.
Yes they do. Everything works just fine. Phasing doesn't even actually interact with continuous effects.

>> No.38070657

>>38070390
yes, the only question i had left was how a continuous control-changing effect with a duration interacted with phasing
upon closer examination of the phrasing of phasing :D the creature is still -on- the battlefield, just "phased out" and invisible to effects that would do things to it like "destroy all creatures" or "draw a card for each creature you control"
>>38070461
>>Continuous effects no longer apply to phased out shit.
>Yes they do. Everything works just fine. Phasing doesn't even actually interact with continuous effects.
well it kind of does
>702.25e Continuous effects that affect a phased-out permanent may expire while that permanent is phased out. If so, they will no longer affect that permanent once it’s phased in. In particular, effects with “for as long as” durations that track that permanent (see rule 611.2b) end when that permanent phases out because they can no longer see it.
so i was actually wrong earlier regarding Merieke: you'd lose control of the creature if Merieke phased out, but it wouldn't be destroyed

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>tfw this will never be your commander

>> No.38070999

>>38070914
It's a good feel, because I'd never play that.

And it's not that I'm adverse to custom commanders, that's just bad and boring.

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>>38009089
Hey tg, incredibly new to magic and started to build a deck today from my brothers cards

i found pic related and was wondering how good of a choice he is? do i need to do 21 combat damage or does his ability count towards that damage?

>> No.38071396

>>38071327
Commander damage is only combat damage

Also Kaervek is very costly for something that usually ends up being a very minor effect. Ruric Thar is *probably* better for what you want to do.

>> No.38071462

>>38071327
Kaervek is hillarious, but as the other anon said, he is very expensive, so run ways to protect him (Running a lot of reanimation spells can also work if you let him hit the graveyard when he dies).

Only combat damage counts towards the 21 commander damage,

>> No.38071483

>>38071327
Needs to be combat damage.
Kaervek's cool and all, but you will draw literally all of the hate as soon as you put him anywhere near the battlefield. That being said, build whatever you want though I'd probably choose a less obviously threatening so people don't start teaming up on you for shitty reasons.
If you want to piss people off, run things that give him infect

>> No.38071536

>>38071483
No, no. If you want to piss people off, you use him with Possibility Storm.

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If I wanted to try out EDH, could I make a decent deck with Jhoira as my commander? I loved me some Izzet shenanigans and she's U/R, so yeah. Or are there some other U/R commanders I don't know about?

>> No.38071625

>>38071396
>>38071462
>>38071483
damn so his ability doesnt go towards the commander damage? thats shit, although he still seems pretty neat. Any other red/black commanders to look into? i dont know where to start

>> No.38071654

>>38071623
Jhoira will be the most green commander you've ever ran

>> No.38071713

>>38071654
>the most green commander
What?

>> No.38071715

>>38071625
http://magiccards.info/query?q=t%3Alegendary+c%21rbm&v=card&s=cname

If I had to pick a RB legendary, I'd probably go with Rakdos, Lord of Riots or Lyzolda.

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>>38071536
i've got it!
Nekusar
Kaervek
Possibility Storm
Mishra
howling Mine
Font of Mythos
Eggs
all of your instants and sorceries are removal

>> No.38071730

>>38071623
Jhoira was one of my first commanders, and let me tell you; don't.

Run Melek instead. Melek is awesome. There are more alternatives if you're willing to try additional colors, but Melek is solid.

>>38071625
No ability that deals damage counts towards commander damage, only combat damage does. Also, why does it HAVE to be a red/black commander? The selection there isn't great. Well, there's Grenzo. And not much else.

>> No.38071738

>>38071713
>get big fatties and huge effects into play

>> No.38071753

>>38071721
>Nekusar
Lost interest.

>> No.38071785

>>38071721
>>38071753
Mishra is so legit though. It's always funny seeing newer players being totally confused why anyone would run him in EDH.

>> No.38071799

>>38071730
tbh it doesnt have to be r/b but i sat there sifting through 6000 cards and made a r/b deck. took way too long and not really down to make a new one, but will if i cant find a good commander

>>38071715

thanks, grenzo seems pretty dope

>> No.38071826

>>38071799
Let us know what kind of decks or cards you like and I'll throw you the best commander for you.

>> No.38071829

>>38071721
and all your enchantments are Corrupted Conscience, Phyreses, Possibility Storm (previously mentioned), and Dictate of Kruphix
>>38071753
you know i'm joking, right?
that's just a few cards that go together to be the perfect dick to your opponents*

*this isn't the only way to be the perfect dick

>> No.38071873

>>38071829
No, the problem is Nekusar is grouphug, not being a dick.

People willingly play Phyrexian Arena all of the time. I just get happy any time I see a Nekusar player.

>> No.38071947

>>38071826
Not really sure at this point

my brother has this bullshit 5 color dragon deck, his commander allows him to take the form of any dragon in his deck.

it seems really slow to start but once his commander is in play it just snowballs hard from there. I was thinking about perhaps a deck that could counter that but idk how to go about it

like i said im incredibly new

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>>38071873
>smugsmugsmug
i don't mind Nekusar's effect, or really even all the wheeling that's implied
but i have yet to see a Nekusar player that wasn't there to just fuck with people
i'm not saying i don't also fuck with people, i built a Tomorrow deck focused almost entirely on just decking everybody and stalling while i do
but Nekusar players are about as smug as you

>> No.38072102

>>38071984
>but i have yet to see a Nekusar player that wasn't there to just fuck with people

Yeah, sure, that's their aim. But the problem remains that they're feeding their opponents with the answers they need to deal with Nekusar, and Nekusar deals damage to all players equally so as soon as he becomes a problem everyone is equally interested in dealing with him. There's just no way that's a good equation. I'm not saying people can't play him, people can play whatever they want. He's just not very good at winning.

>> No.38072167

>>38071947
SUPER SEKRIT ANTI-Scion of the Ur Dragon-TEK

Meddling Mage
Nevermore
Null Chamber (he will probably name your general, don't worry)
Phyrexian Revoker
Pithing Needle
Voidstone Gargoyle
>>38072102
people who play Nekusar aren't necessarily interested in winning
they're there to ruin the game for the other people
The only person who doesn't care about Nekusar is Oloro, and they're dickbags too

>> No.38072296

>>38072167
>they're there to ruin the game for the other people
Well he's literally the worst commander for doing that.
>Oh, you're trying to massive damage to everyone with nekusar? I'll just path him.
>Counterspell.
>Okay, but both me and both of my friends over here, all of which you're trying to kill, are also sitting with counterspells. How do you think this is gonna end? Thanks for all the cards, by the way.

This is literally how it always plays out.

Also, Oloro players aren't dickbags because Oloro is a pretty weak commander, unless we're talking french.

>> No.38072535

>>38072296
my Nekusar experience may be colored by spot removal and counterspells being unpopular locally for reasons i can't identify
>Also, Oloro players aren't dickbags because Oloro is a pretty weak commander, unless we're talking french.
in my experience they're mostly just using Oloro to disguise Sharuum and get a few extra life for the trouble, it's not like they'll have trouble pulling out Sharuum whenever they want

>> No.38072610

>>38072535
>it's not like they'll have trouble pulling out Sharuum whenever they want
I mean sure, it's likely, but likely isn't always. If you really want Sharuum, it's just that more reliable if he's your commander.

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>>38073919
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