/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9978564]

It's crazy to think that this is going to be under water in less than 50 years. Do you think it's possible to build walls around the island to prevent it from being flooded?

[lamarr No.9978573]

>>9978564
24k years later and we have atlantises everywhere

[Anonymous No.9978604]

Build a wall and make the Atlanteans pay for it

[Anonymous No.9978630]

citation needed :^)

[Anonymous No.9978631]

Why waste a huge engineering effort on putting a band aid on the issue when you can just build newer more efficiently planned cities in more ideal locations as the coast changes?

Old architecture is nice to preserve and all but they can break the most precious buildings down to rebuild them somewhere else if they care that much. You can't just fight the ocean forever.

[Anonymous No.9978637]

>>9978564
>It's crazy to think that this is going to be under water in less than 50 years.
It really is crazy.

[Anonymous No.9978641]

>>9978573
The lost island of Manhattan you say? that's just a myth. Those large steel beams rusting in the ocean are just a natural geological formation.

[Anonymous No.9978712]

>>9978641
>>9978564
Ocean water can't melt steel beams.

[Anonymous No.9978720]

How hard would it be to raise the entire city, like in Vinice.

[Anonymous No.9978721]

>>9978564
>It's crazy to think that this is going to be under water in less than 50 years.

I would tend to agree.

[Anonymous No.9978723]

>>9978564
Yes, which is why only crazy people think it.

[Anonymous No.9978724]

>>9978720
You seem to be falling for an urban legend about Venice.

[Anonymous No.9978743]

>>9978712

[Anonymous No.9978804]

>>9978631
Because the bandaid is cheaper than building a new city.
Ideally we should be doing both, because it will take time for new cities and infrastructure to come up to speed and during that time current coastal cities will suffer more disasters and eventually inundation.
But many political groups want to deny there is going to be a problem and building sea walls would appear like an admission of being wrong.

[Anonymous No.9978817]

why not just make all the buildings waterproof?

[Anonymous No.9978818]

>>9978604
Keked so hard

[Anonymous No.9979447]

Dam the whole bay. Divert the Hudson. Problem solved.

[Anonymous No.9979604]

>>9978564
Why build a useful wall to protect cities from flooding if you can build a useless wall on your border to Mexico?

[Anonymous No.9980593]

>>9978564

2mm * 50 years = 100mm = 10 centimeters

but they are predicting a Little Ice Age to hit around 2035, so the water levels will go DOWN, not up

[Anonymous No.9980895]

>>9980593
Who is?

[Anonymous No.9981387]

>>9980895

http://notrickszone.com/2017/12/28/7-new-2017-papers-forecast-global-cooling-another-little-ice-age-will-begin-soon/

[Anonymous No.9981399]

>>9980895

https://nextgrandminimum.com/2014/12/15/mini-ice-age-2015-2035-top-scientists-predict-global-cooling-2015-2050/

https://www.iceagenow.info/category/headed-into-an-ice-age-now/

[Anonymous No.9981412]

>>9981387
>notrickszone
>literally just tricks
Insolation has been decreasing for decades while global temperature increases. Solar minimum does not mean a little ice age is coming since solar forcing is currently dwarfed by greenhouse forcing.

[Anonymous No.9981419]

>>9981399
>https://nextgrandminimum.com/2014/12/15/mini-ice-age-2015-2035-top-scientists-predict-global-cooling-2015-2050/
>Average global atmospheric and oceanic temperatures will drop significantly beginning between 2015 and 2016
Yup, look at that sharp drop.... Woops, better find a more up to date quack blog.

[Anonymous No.9981465]

>>9978804
>He doesnt know about smart cities.
Btfo pleb. Ditch the shitware, we have many more urgent problems to adress

[Anonymous No.9981486]

>>9978712
Memes aside, the ocean is more destructive to steel than explosives.

[Anonymous No.9981487]

>>9981419

when will they stop manipulating the charts?

[Anonymous No.9981569]

>>9978564
It's more like 500 years.
During those we will build new stuff on higher ground.

[Anonymous No.9981889]

>>9978564
In 50 years it won't be underwater, just wetter than average.

Yes, walls are super ez. They don't even need to be that complex, just a pile of dirt that we occasionally put more dirt on. And excavating dirt is something we have been getting quite good at over the last hundred years

[Anonymous No.9982156]

>>9981487
>when will scientists stop making their measurement techniques more accurate?
ftfy

I know reading and understanding scientific research is very hard for you but do try:
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/10.1175/JCLI-D-15-0744.1

[Anonymous No.9982501]

>>9978564
just learn to swim and grow grills

[Anonymous No.9982864]

>>9982156
>>9981487
>>9981419

https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records

[Anonymous No.9982871]

>>9978564
...And nothing of value will be lost!

[Anonymous No.9982876]

>>9978817
Now this is an idea I can get behind. I'm not an engineer so I don't know if its possible given the structural design of the buildings, but I bet it would be a better solution than moving a fuckton of buildings. Seal up some stuff and build tunnels above all the streets, connect some buildings together with some thicc AF plexi-glass tunnels for the views, and do something similar over parks so you get to see cool underwater shit. Vehicles which run on fossil fuels will most definitely need to be banned though.

On that note I'm gonna play the fuck out of some Bioshock when I'm done studying for the day.

[Anonymous No.9983052]

>>9982864
>a press release from denialtard central
yawn

[Anonymous No.9983057]

just dig a trench at the bottom of the ocean and store the excavated material onshore

[Anonymous No.9983064]

I'm literally a city engineer working to make NYC more resilient to sea level rise. Specifically for the East Harlem section. We are fucked, sry guys. Our best proposed solution right now is to literally buy out land in the lower elevated parts, destroy everything, and create creeks for the water to flow. This is what you'll see over the next 50 years.

[Anonymous No.9983069]

>>9983064
Where to resettle all the people who now live in the lower elevated parts? Or leave them to drown?

[Anonymous No.9983106]

>>9982864
Nice skepticism!

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/no-data-manipulation-at-noaa/
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/02/08/noaa-scientists-climate-change-data/

[Anonymous No.9983117]

do americans actually not know that there are other cities with the same problem and they solved it long time ago?

[Anonymous No.9983222]

>>9981387
Womp womp, you got tricked anon

[Anonymous No.9983229]

>>9983069
We will buy them out. If we need to provide them new homes, we will. If they refuse... might have to get them evicted by force unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.9983336]

>>9978564
We’ll just build dikes like the dutch do

[Anonymous No.9983500]

Why would it be under water in 50 years? Is this is a rising water problem or a sinking city problem?

[Anonymous No.9983563]

>>9983500

it's a propaganda problem
they believe what the mainstream media told them

even the atolls in the Pacific are GROWING in size, still they cry for money because they are "sinking", and the msm supports that narrative:
https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacific-nation-bigger.html

[Anonymous No.9983728]

>>9983563
now combine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion
with this graph to understand the basic problem, irrespective of volcanic island formation

[Anonymous No.9983914]

There is no way to protect cities like Miami and New Orleans. People will have to move somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.9984007]

- oceans sit on top of tectonic plates that moves around, up and down, even meters per year
- millions of submarine volcanoes that sprout magma
- billions of tons of sediments are pushed down from mountains into the oceans by erosion

but no, it's the humans

[Anonymous No.9984663]

>>9984007
>global sea level rise matches that expected by ice melt and thermal expansion caused by global warming
>nope, must be local factors or processes that take millions of years because otherwise I would have to admit human activity had an effect on the world

[Anonymous No.9984716]

>>9978564
>walls
you better build a dike

[Anonymous No.9986610]

>>9978564
seawalls only offer temporary protection, ultimately you will have to abandon these cities

[Anonymous No.9988356]

just retrofit the bottoms of the buildings to be waterproof and dynamics control, we can use them sometimes if that's needed @ all

[Anonymous No.9988392]

>>9986610
Don't tell that to Miamians. They should be abandoning that place right now instead of wasting taxpayer dollars to elevate their streets like they're doing now.

[Anonymous No.9988397]

>>9988392
Better yet: they should all go back to Cuba

[Anonymous No.9988930]

>>9988356
just make every city like Venice

[Anonymous No.9989262]

>>9988392
according to >>9983914 all of southern Florida is doomed

[Anonymous No.9989331]

How about instead of trying to wall off cities, we just expand our cities into the water? And for that matter, the bedrock around the landmass?

Cities that by their very nature were engineered and design to be modularly renovateable. Cities occupying the sea that are designed not only to soak up the dangerous effects of tsunamis for MILES.

If it's done correctly, and the cities are properly moored to the bedrock beneath the seafloor, it should be conceivable to soak up natural disasters from all but apocalyptic tidal waves.

[Anonymous No.9989743]

>>9989331
Are you kidding? Many coastal cities are literally build on sand. Or limestone, which is not much better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSFzp7MsuWg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeKcdnsgDGE

[Anonymous No.9990181]

>>9989743
please don't feed the troll

daily reminder that we are currently at the end of an interglacial period; worry about rebuilding the ports if the water goes down 120 meters (ok, slowly, but still a mess)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Recent_glacial_and_interglacial_phases

[Anonymous No.9990192]

>>9990181
We might have been, if the global surface and ocean temperatures weren't going up. Even if local conditions continue to increase ice volume in the short term, we aren't going back to "ice world" for many thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.9990198]

>>9978564
At most sea levels are going to rise by 1 or 2 meters, mostly due to thermal expansion

[Anonymous No.9990240]

>>9981387
>notrickszone.com

lel nice try brainlet

[Anonymous No.9990247]

>>9978564
>It's crazy to think that this is going to be under water in less than 50 years.

I used to live in New Orleans.

I got news for you guys... these places will simply be abandoned. You can't hold back the ocean and its a fools errand to try

[Anonymous No.9990683]

>>9990247
looks like someone isn't dutch

[Anonymous No.9990713]

>>9990683
Correction: holding back the ocean is a fool's errand if you happen to be a fool.

[Anonymous No.9990787]

>>9990713
>>9990683

No one is going to save these places. The Dutch story it has no relevance to today. No one is going to invest in or rush to save personal or private property. Tenants will move the fuck out.

Unlike the netherlands, there are other places to go, sea level is not the only agricultural or urban landbase.

Nah, these cities, Shanghai, Miami, New Orleans, New York... they are just going to abandon and withdraw, hopefully taking steps to leave what will become, more or less, innocuous artificial reefs.

[Anonymous No.9991317]

>>9990787

What about Singapore? It's a city-state.

[Anonymous No.9991677]

>>9991317
The value of land is slightly different between Singapore and Florida.

[Anonymous No.9992561]

>>9990787
Last time New Orleans was abandoned it happened disorderly. I guess next time will be no better.

[Anonymous No.9992592]

we could just pump the ocean into space and stabilize sea level.
how much water could the moon hold with it's gravity? we could store it there and pump it back on earth when climate cools down again.
how would a watermoon effect climate due to more sunlight reflection?
has anybody ever thought about this geniuslevel idea?

[Anonymous No.9993099]

>>9978564
And I can't wait for the coastal bugmen to drown.

[Anonymous No.9993103]

Best day of my life when the basedboys realize their ultra expensive property will be worthless

[Anonymous No.9993112]

>>9993099
>>9993103
What is it with Paleocons and wanting to gouge out the most successful segments of their country?

[Anonymous No.9993121]

>>9978631
Some people want to build a wall anyway, just put it around Manhattan instead of Mexico.

[Anonymous No.9993130]

>Building a wall to stop the flow of immigrants, which are dirty and steal, is racist
>Building a wall to stop the flow of water, which you could just drink, is progressive and woke because (((global wa... I mean, (((climate change))) is real

[Anonymous No.9993134]

>>9993130
Go and drink some sea water, maybe it'll make you smarter.

[Anonymous No.9993262]

>>9979604

Because water doesn't leech your resources while simultaneously undermining the rule of law that ensures the abundance of those resources in the first place.

[Anonymous No.9993303]

>>9993134
There are so many parenthesis around this post I could barely read it.

[Anonymous No.9993310]

Couldn't enough desalination plants effectively match rising sea levels?

[Anonymous No.9993319]

>>9993310
Desalination is energy intensive. Its primary use is to produce freshwater. Scaling it up that massively seems impossible.

[Anonymous No.9993339]

We just need fusion.

[Anonymous No.9994088]

>>9982876
because hydrostatic pressure isn't a thing.

[Anonymous No.9994166]

just use boats instead of cars and flooded roads are no problem

[Anonymous No.9994420]

>>9993262
you obviously never seen a real big flood

[Anonymous No.9994477]

>>9984663
>global sea level rise matches that expected by ice melt and thermal expansion caused by global warming

EXCEPT IT DOESNT

all predictions so far have been way off

[Anonymous No.9994490]

>>9993262

[Anonymous No.9995114]

>>9994477
Your graph doesn't show sea level rise predictions and is a a dishonest hackjob. But you know this already.

[Anonymous No.9995141]

>>9991317
I been to Singapore, they will turn their city into spaceship and leave plebs on Earth.It already looks like high tech space colony.

[Anonymous No.9995766]

>>9986610
cant wait to tell the dutch that they should have all moved to belgium centuries ago

[Anonymous No.9996539]

>>9980593
God I hope there’s a mini ice age

[Anonymous No.9996544]

>>9984716
What’d you called me

[Anonymous No.9996595]

>>9996539
same, but its not going to happen.

[Anonymous No.9996652]

>>9995766
it will probably look like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4inr3ryBTA

[Anonymous No.9998183]

>>9993262
The drug problem can be solved by legalizing drugs. With a tiny fraction of the money spent on the drug war the government can finance media campaigns against drugs, but let honest companies take it over. Sure, more people will die from drug overdose, but nobody will die from the gangs/cartells/dea fighting, which will equalize things.

[Anonymous No.9998332]

>>9998183
You have to understand the war on drugs isn't about stopping drugs. It's about having a money pit you can just dump bux into that no one expects to show results, so you can your friends can just skim it all and get rich.

[Anonymous No.9998341]

>>9978604

[Anonymous No.9998353]

>>9998332
this. The DEA, ATF, ICE, FBI, and CIA all get a lot of fucking money from drugs. Be it selling them and cooperating with cartels, seizing drug money, seizing drugs, seizing assets bought with drug money, seizing guns, taking bribes, or government funding. The drug war is a huge money pit, its like a treasure hunt for a lot of these agencies trying to hunt all these traffickers down because the traffickers make an insane amount as well.

[Anonymous No.9999676]

>>9978564
it's cheaper to abandon it

[Anonymous No.10000217]

maybe we better do something about climate change

[Anonymous No.10000434]

>>10000217
I've been speaking with a friend who works at the University of British Columbia in the environmental department.

According to him it's too late to really do anything. Now it's just a matter of time.

[Anonymous No.10001454]

>>10000434
So we should not do anything because your some random guy says so?

[Anonymous No.10001467]

>>9979447
>sandy hook
I'm spooped

[Anonymous No.10001470]

>>9988392
this is a meme right they aren't actually doing this right

[Anonymous No.10001479]

>>9995766
yea but we're not talking about the dutch we're talking about burgers that couldn't get a levee right

[Anonymous No.10001488]

>>10000217
>maybe we better do something about climate change

Climate change means improved living conditions for most civilized countries, it’s the Third World that is fucked.

[Anonymous No.10001498]

>>9978564
ITT: engineers reveal how dumb they are

[Anonymous No.10001590]

>>10001488
>most civilized countries
>Canada, Scandinavia and Russia

[Anonymous No.10001955]

>all the degenerates live on the coasts
>god washes away the sins

Beautiful.

[Anonymous No.10001959]

>>10001488
We need tremendous walls to keep the rabble out though.

I’d actually support chipping citizens to make refugees instantly recognisable and deportable for this as well. We need to go China levels of authoritarian pramatism to save civilisation.

[Anonymous No.10002168]

>>10001488
This map is just rubbish, climate change means more forest fires and drought up in the north. This is not good for GDP. The truth is: nobody will profit. We are an ice age species.