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7911026 No.7911026 [Reply] [Original]

Are geniuses and innovators made or born?

>> No.7911036

>or

If a popular dichotomy has survived more than twenty years, it's safe to say the answer is both or neither and the split exists only to sell print media.

>> No.7911201

>>7911036

wow I was never able to phrase my hatred for nowadays print media correctly but you just did.

I will quote this from now on, thanks

>> No.7911248

>>7911026
A very smart person is born and (just maybe) then genius is cultivated

>> No.7911253

>>7911036
Basically this.

A person born with amazing potential might produce genius-level work even when they don't have a great upbringing, though a truly horrible one can cripple them.

A person born with good potential might produce genius-level work if their upbringing is great, but they'll need more help along the way.

An idiot isn't going to produce great work, regardless of their training.

>> No.7911371

>>7911253
Unless he's your gardner

>> No.7911388

>>7911253
the popular example of made vs born genius is Picasso vs Cézanne. Picasso got famous in his twenties. Cézanne died before he got famous. Picasso was just brilliant. Cézanne was a neet who needed an allstar support team his entire life to cultivate his talent. Both created what contemporaries consider Masterworks.

>> No.7911594

>>7911388
They are painters . genius? How , they could not even support themselves.

>> No.7911595

>>7911594

The punctuation of this post baffles me.

>> No.7911598

>>7911595
Like what ?

>> No.7911604

Genius to me is like Bill gates Albert einstein That Apple guy Warren Buffit etc. How about you folks, more like kid rock ice T John Lennon etc?

>> No.7911619

>>7911594
Leonardo da Vinci was a painter? You telling me da Vinci was stupid?

Your answer show us if your are a stupid faggot or not.

>> No.7911625

>>7911619
That was his hobby

>> No.7911628

>>7911625
It was his job.

>> No.7911633

>>7911628
?

>> No.7911664

>>7911619
Looks like I am a stupid fag. just found my book on da'vinci

>> No.7911757
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7911757

>If geniuses are made
You are completely responsible for not being a genius. "I am not a genius. Feels bad, man, I got to rev up those logic books and hard games. I got to 'git gud', I suck so bad"
>if geniuses are born
It's 100% not your fault for not being a genius. "I am not a genius, I will never put in hard effort on books because it is not my fault that it is hard and unpleasant for me. It won't make me a genius anyway, so this is alright. I am alright."

If we are not sure, we will have to go with "geniuses are made" because it has a reward if we desire to be geniuses. And those who have no such desire, find no reward in it.

So it boils down to: if you think geniuses are good, then you believe geniuses are made
if you think geniuses are not good, then you believe geniuses are simply born

And then I ask you: is there any scientist who thinks geniuses are not good? No. So scientists, and therefore science, says that geniuses are made, and science supposedly speaks the truth. So, there, geniuses are made.

/thread

>> No.7911767 [DELETED] 

>>7911757
>>>/his/
>>>/lit/

/sci/ is for the application of the scientific method, and discussions of results of such endeavours, as well as math.

You're post is neither science nor math, just
>muh chain of reasoning with no proof