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I was wondering if anyone on /sci/ has had experience with meditation/mindfulness. I'm interested in pursuing it as a way to improve my concentration and observation skills, but also want to steer clear of some of the more overtly mystical and psuedoscientific parts of it. Anyone have any helpful resources along these lines?

>> No.5003049

>>5003047
>>>/x/

>> No.5003051

Spiritualism can be practiced and discussed on >>>/x/

>> No.5003057

>meditation: concentration, observational skills, bigger penis
>prayer: no effects

liberal hippy new age bullshit double standards

>> No.5003074

LOL, as if meditation, haven't been proved to actually increase concentration spam and better flow of thoughts. /Sci/ is getting really retarded.

>> No.5003077

>>5003074
>>>/x/

>> No.5003080

>>5003074
>concentration spam

>> No.5003134
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5003134

You don't get the point of meditation? You're supposed to clear your mind - stop your inner monologue in its tracks. Introspection of any sort will get you there.

>> No.5003149

>>5003134
Nice pseusoscience. I'm sure >>>/x/ would love to discuss it.

>> No.5003173

>>5003149
>implying I wanted discussion
Only answering the OP.
Maybe if you meditated you wouldn't be so neurotic about policing /sci/ every waking moment.

>> No.5003177

>>5003173
>>>/x/

>> No.5003181

Screw the trolls.
Meditation as a method for developing concentration is legit.
I would be interested in more info as well. A few Buddhist books I've seen talk about improving concentration skills through meditation. Its funny how just deliberately practicing something like concentration will actually make you better at it.

>> No.5003183

>>5003173
Pseudoscience goes to >>>/x/. We don't need off-topic comments here.

>> No.5003187

>>5003181
Spiritualism is not science. Please leave the science board.

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5003200

my face when moot will never open janitor apps and the /x/ redirects will only become more numerous

>> No.5003208

Potentially relevant?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21471390?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20363650?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21334442
http://journals.lww.com/neuroreport/Abstract/2000/05150/Functional_brain_mapping_of_the_relaxation.4
1.aspx

>> No.5003206

>>5003200
If I become a janitor the /x/ redirects won't be necessary anymore because I delete off-topic content.

>> No.5003214

>>5003200
>my face when moot will never open janitor apps and the /x/ redirects will only become more numerous
True, pseudoscience shitposts tend to stay up a long time

>> No.5003216

>>5003187
>>5003183

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/5325373/Meditation-makes-people-more-intelligent-by-growing-the-b
rain.html

>> No.5003220

>>5003206
That was the point you inane FUCK

>> No.5003223

>>5003216
>telegraph.co.uk

Not a valid citation in the academic context. A shitty newspaper article written by people with less than laymen education, mixing up beliefs, opinions and science.

>> No.5003222

>>5003216
>telegraph
>>>/x/

>> No.5003227

>>5003220
Yes, I was affirming your point, you moron.

>> No.5003231

If the concern is detaching meditation from spiritualism, I'd think Sam Harris' posts on meditation would be good ( http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/how-to-meditate/ ).

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5003234

>all this reactionary cross-board linking

>> No.5003237

>>5003231
>sam harris

A terrible author, constantly mixing up science and religious views. Linking to his page doesn't prove anything.

>> No.5003235

>>5003222

http://m.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/apr/24/meditation-ageing-shamatha-project?cat=lifeandstyle
&type=article

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/06/17/benefits-meditation/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16406814

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5003238

>>5003227

>> No.5003239

>>5003177
>>5003183
Not OP, but holy fuck /sci/ is a bunch of close minded, pretentious, autists. Meditation has nothing do with with supernatural or spiritual world it's just an exercise for the brain

>HURR DURR go back to /x/, we l337, we only talk Theoretical Physics

>> No.5003240

>>5003235
Still no academic sources. Newspapers are spreading opinions and are not informed about scientific details.

>> No.5003242

>>5003239
It is by definition a spiritual technique and thus belongs rather to /x/ than to /sci/.

>> No.5003241

>>5003235
>guardian
>fox
>bbc
these are are news organizations
>>>/x/

>> No.5003245

>>5003239
/sci/ is for science. go back to >>>/x/ or reddit

>> No.5003246

>>5003239
Right? All threads turn into shitfests because of it. Otherwise they wouldn't!

>> No.5003249

/sci/, where if something sounds like hippie crap, no amount of evidence is going to convince the board it ain't pseudoscience.

>> No.5003254

>>5003240
Granted, but what about >>5003208 ?

>> No.5003250

>>5003240
>>5003241

Read >>5003208

>In 2011, NIH's National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) released finding of a study where in magnetic resonance images of the brains of 16 participants 2 weeks before and after mindfulness meditation practitioners, joined the meditation program were taken by researchers from Massachusetts General Hospital, Bender Institute of Neuroimaging in Germany, and the University of Massachusetts Medical School. It concluded that "..these findings may represent an underlying brain mechanism associated with mindfulness-based improvements in mental health.

>> No.5003257

>>5003250
>Alternative Medicine
not science
back to >>>/x/

>> No.5003256

>>5003240
>>5003241

Check mate:

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/meditation-0505.html

>> No.5003260

>>5003245
>implying Psychology is not science
>implying Mindfulness is not scientifcally proven method to improve the symptoms of various Psychological ilnesses

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness_%28psychology%29

>> No.5003262

>>5003246
Only shit threads turn into shitfests. Why? Because we don't want off-topic content here.

>>5003250
>>5003254
Religiosity and superstition have been researched by neuroscience as well. Should we practice them now? I don't think so. They are still not science themselves.

>> No.5003267

>>5003260
> psychology
>>>/x/

>> No.5003268

>>5003256
See >>5003262

>>5003260
This isn't real psychology. Scientific psychology is the experimental testing of hypotheses regarding behaviour. Unfalsifiable shit and esotericism are not psychology.

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5003269

>>5003262
>Religiosity and superstition
>implying that has anything to do mindfulness
>A simple breathing exercise to help you concentrate, relieve and collect your thoughts

inb4 thoughts are not science

>> No.5003273

>>5003262
>They are not science themselves.
But see we're trying to discuss the research, not meditation directly.

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5003276

>>5003267
>Unfalsifiable shit and esotericism
>esoctericism

You are a fucking retard if you thinks that's what Meditation is about

>> No.5003280

>>5003276
This is exactly what it is about.

>> No.5003281

>>5003267
>>5003257
>>5003245
>>5003241
>>5003177
Unfunny, shitty troll

>> No.5003278

>>5003269
Breathing is a biological process and doesn't need no new name. Embedding it into an esoteric framework doesn't make said framework scientific.

>>5003273
OP is not asking for the research, but for the esoteric techniques.

>> No.5003290

>>5003278
>guys regular breathing is the only kind of breathing
Deep breathing is a proven method used by medicine relieve panic attacks, relieve stress. This is basic Psychology 101. Please read a Psychology textbook.

>> No.5003292

>>5003280
Please elaborate the aspects of Mindfulness that you think are "esoteric"

>> No.5003296

>>5003281
The only trolls here are the people promoting pseudoscience and spiritualism.

>>5003290
True, but unrelated. We don't need to embed it in an esoteric framework.

>>5003292
All of them. Please go to >>>/x/

>> No.5003301

>>5003296
>The only trolls here are the people promoting pseudoscience and spiritualism.

this

>> No.5003302

>>5003262
>Religiosity and superstition have been researched by neuroscience as well.
First off all, your presumption is wrong. Second of all they have been PROVEN effective for whatever benefits it claimed to have. That's the fucking point of science; to test and prove.

>> No.5003313

>>5003302
> your presumption is wrong
No, it is not. Neuroscientific research has been done on religiosity.

>have been PROVEN
Nothing is proven in science. Hypotheses are accepted, if they are plausible, backed up by evidence and don't get falsified by experiments. Proofs only exist in mathematics.

>> No.5003314

>>5003296
>True, but unrelated. We don't need to embed it in an esoteric framework.
You have no idea what you are talking about

>All of them. Please go to >>>/x/

>call something "esoteric" without knowing what it means
>Get called on it
>"JUST GO BACK >>>/x/ HURR DURR

>> No.5003321

>>5003314
/sci/ is not the place for discussion of esoteric nonsense. It can be done on /x/. Don't blame your ignorance on others. You'll have to learn a lot about how science works.

>> No.5003324

>>5003321
Oh ok, now I see your trolling. Didn't expect it from /sci/

>> No.5003327

>>5003324
>too stupid to see we are serious
back to >>>/x/

>> No.5003329

>>5003327
2/10

>> No.5003337

>>5003327
how about you STFU and discuss it
you closeminded fool
proof that meditation is bullshit

>> No.5003340

>>5003262
One big difference is that meditation doesn't necessarily demand unscientific beliefs about the Universe. The basis of things like prayer is that the worshiper is supposedly in communication with gods or saints or spirits, which makes unscientific claims about the reality of such beings.

Meditation can be a training method of observation about one's sensory inputs and thought process, and as such isn't making unsubstantiated claims about reality. For example, meditation needs no spirits or past lives to commune with, so there's no implication that spirits or reincarnation exist.

>> No.5003334

>>5003329
you are the cancer of /sci/. people tell you to leave but your pseudoscience beliefs make you think these topics should be discussed here. they are not science. /sci/ is for science only. get the fuck out.

>> No.5003341

>>5003337
>proof that meditation is bullshit
This just shows that you don't understand science. Back to >>>/x/

>> No.5003343

>>5003324
>>5003329
You are the troll here. Nice try. 0/10

>>5003334
This. +1

>>5003337
No, we don't want to discuss spiritualism here. Please go to >>>/x/

>> No.5003347

>>5003340
It is still not science. /sci/ is for the discussion of scientific results and theories, not for obscure hobbies.

>> No.5003350

http://www.filejumbo.com/Download/EAE711E3C1EB3A07

>Implying anyone here is actually a scientist not a bunch of kids who got above the average grades in school and are socially inapt.
>Implying great minds don't take time to rest, meditate or smoke some shit.
>Implying you all are not some small dick kids who have low self-esteem.
>Implying any of you will ever contribute anything to science other than solve already well understood math problems.

>> No.5003353

>>5003343
>>5003334
samefag troll. Back to >>>/b/

>> No.5003359

>>5003353
>OH noes some people are criticizing my irrational beliefs! They all must be the same person because no one would disagree with my pseudoscience!

>> No.5003360

>>5003353
Accusations of samefagging are retarded and science is still not "trolling". Please go back to /b/.

>> No.5003365

ITT: Autism

>> No.5003369

>>5003350
>>5003350
>>5003350
>>5003350
>>5003350

This

>> No.5003370

>>5003047
http://www.filejumbo.com/Download/EAE711E3C1EB3A07

>> No.5003389

>>5003359
Your post is very "esoteric"

>> No.5003395

look up vipassina meditation

>> No.5003396

>>5003395
>>>/x/

>> No.5003408
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5003408

>I'm interested in pursuing it as a way to improve my concentration and observation skills, but also want to steer clear of some of the more overtly mystical and psuedoscientific parts of it
>but also want to steer clear of some of the more overtly mystical and psuedoscientific parts of it
>overtly mystical and psuedoscientific parts of it

Says right there /sci/. Dude just wanted to know if being still for upwards of 10 minutes would improve his over-all focus and concentration and you spiral into "TAKE DAT SHIT TO X FGT".

Calm the hell down /sci/, not *every* thread is a poor attempt at trolling. At least 3 on the front page currently are, but not this one.

>> No.5004158

http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma4/mpe.html

For newbies

>> No.5004160

>>5004158
Pseudoscience / esoterics goes to >>>/x/

>> No.5004166

>>5004160
We get it already.
What you don't get is no one gives a flying fuck.

>> No.5004170

>>5004166
Why do you hate /sci/?

>> No.5004177

>>5004160

Vipassana can be practiced secularily, and therefore is not solely a spiritual technique.

>> No.5004180 [DELETED] 

>>5004170
You're not a corporeal manifestation of /sci/ you think you are, ergo I don't hate /sci/

>> No.5004183 [DELETED] 

>>5004180
'Scuse the grammar, I didn't read it over.

>> No.5004186

>>5004170
You're not the corporeal manifestation of /sci/ you think you are, ergo I don't hate /sci/

>> No.5004189

>>5004177
Obscure hobbies don't belong to /sci/ either.

>> No.5004195

>>5004189

Meditation has been successfully used as a medical treatment, and medicine does belong in /sci/.

>> No.5004220

>>5004195
Health goes to "/fit/ - fitness and health".